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West Notes: Bush, Athletics, Greinke

By Steve Adams and Jeff Todd | March 12, 2018 at 11:58pm CDT

The Rangers are set to move right-hander Matt Bush back to the bullpen role in which he thrived for much of the 2016-17 seasons, writes Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. The 32-year-old righty had been in the mix for a rotation spot to this point, but he expressed peace of mind with the decision to return to the ’pen, indicating that he’s “very happy” to have clarity over his role and that he feels the team made the right decision. As Grant notes, the decision likely means Texas’ rotation will consist of Cole Hamels, Matt Moore, Doug Fister and Mike Minor early in the year, with Martin Perez able to join that quartet as early as his health permits. Jesse Chavez is on hand as a long relief option, and Bartolo Colon could have an easy path to cracking the big league roster if Perez needs some DL time early in the year.

Elsewhere in the western divisions …

  • The Athletics’ offseason moves and budding farm system have made them into a more interesting club than many are giving them credit for, opines ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. The pairing of Matt Chapman and Matt Olson at the team’s infield corners gives them one of the game’s great young defensive players — one AL evaluator from another club likened Chapman’s glove to that of Nolan Arenado and Manny Machado — and an impressive young slugger whose fast rise in the big leagues mirrored that of Phillies slugger Rhys Hoskins. (Olson hit .259/.352/.651 with 24 homers in 216 plate appearances.) Paired with one of the game’s most under-the-radar sluggers (Khris Davis) and interesting upper-level prospects like left-hander A.J. Puk, the A’s could surprise some in 2018, even if they’re not likely to vault up into to division contention just yet. Crasnick spoke to GM David Forst, manager Bob Melvin and scouts from other clubs about the improving young A’s club.
  • While there’s still plenty of time left in camp, there’s some rising unease within the Diamondbacks organization surrounding Zack Greinke, as Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports. Greinke himself noted that he’s somewhat “nervous” that he won’t be working in his typical low-nineties range by the start of the season given that he’s still sitting in the mid-eighties with his fastball. Picking up on those comments, in the context of the team’s plans for an Opening Day starter, skipper Torey Lovullo acknowledged being “concerned about where [Greinke is] at” and said he plans to “let everything kind of settle down” before the club decides who’ll take the ball to open the season. Of course, it doesn’t matter as much whether Greinke throws the first pitch as it does that he’s at full strength. As to that matter, Lovullo suggested he’s nowhere near panicking over the veteran hurler. Instead, he stressed, his “concern is minimal” that Greinke will ultimately get up to speed and be prepared to attempt a repeat of a strong 2017 effort.
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  1. srechter

    7 years ago

    #Greine

    For posterity

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    • kcroyals

      7 years ago

      Thought I was seeing things….guess not!

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  2. customcrown

    7 years ago

    What a waste at 200MM

    Prince Fielder is laughing with a veggie burger in his neck brace lol

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    • tigersfan81

      7 years ago

      I heard that Prince was back on the meat years ago.

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    • jdgoat

      7 years ago

      I’m sure they’re kicking themselves over the 3.20 ERA he put up and 140 Era plus.

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      • diddlez

        7 years ago

        Yeah, probably.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        With as much as he’s making he better put up those #’s

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    • astick

      7 years ago

      Customcrown and tigersfan81 very funny. Good work.

      Reply
  3. WARrior

    7 years ago

    #greine, when working in the mid 80s, one will miss a lot more than just one “k.”

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    • srechter

      7 years ago

      Well done

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      #gotheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem

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    • bernbabybern

      7 years ago

      If Zac doesn’t get his velocity bac the Diamondbacs may be in trouble.

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  4. Ahnpaul1984

    7 years ago

    How does one lose 6-7 mph on his fastball over an offseason?

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    • eephus11

      7 years ago

      “See, in life, when you have talent all the other s**t doesn’t matter. If we were on an island with no weights and no running drills, who would be on top then? The guy with the talent.” -Kenny Powers

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    • davidcoonce74

      7 years ago

      Injury. Pitchers get hurt. Greinke is not young.

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    • tylerall5

      7 years ago

      This happened with guys like Mark Melancon too. They just need to build back their arm strength.

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  5. Ahnpaul1984

    7 years ago

    Physically Greinke looks fine. Its not like he’s Shawn Kemp and came back 40 lbs overweight after “eating his children”

    Greinke is a cerebral guy. It makes me wonder whats going on in his head

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    • goob

      7 years ago

      Athletes body’s age, and workloads take their toll – even if they “look fine”.. Greinke is entering his age 34 season and has accumulated two and a half THOUSAND innings on that arm. Nobody knows how the next four years remaining on his ultra-expensive contract will play out – but It would be extraordinary for him to perform even reasonably well over that time. He had a nice bounce-back season in 2017, but maybe his underperformance in 2016 was a tell. Maybe it’s mostly downhill from here for him. And it really shouldn’t be surprising to anybody – if that’s the way it turns out.

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      • goob

        7 years ago

        BTW, those are just his MLB innings.

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      7 years ago

      I mean he’s 34. The backend of his contract was never going to be pretty. The loss in velocity is extremely concerning especially since his ability to run his fb off that change up deviates as the differential closes. He was never really a guy that just was going to overpower hitters. I’m not so sure I’d be to worried this year, but the trend is extremely concerning. It’s definitely worth a follow. I think it was pretty evident in the nlds when the Dodgers forced him in the zone. That’s always the concern with signing pitchers long term going into their late 30’s innings catch up, the elbow at least in this case continues to deteriorate as a result of the cortisone shots, and Father Time is undefeated. At some point a pitcher has to completely rejuvenate himself and they become more so thumbers. Which isn’t as concerning for lhp, but rhp’s better have run on a two seam in order to survive. I like Grienke he’s a competitor, but yes at 4 years 135M it should be a bit concerning. Arizona’s saving grace is that annually the real money they pay out over the next 4 years is closer to 100M. Although, that still might make it extremely difficult ( with Grienke and Tomas) to reup Goldy and Pollock.

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      • davidcoonce74

        7 years ago

        Yes, as a Padres fan I watched Hoffman as his velocity declined and the same thing happened – the changeup and fastball got closer in velocity and then he was just a home run machine. It’s a bummer to watch pitchers decline but Greinke has had a very nice career.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Let’s not write off Greinke. The guy just came off a great year. A little early to call it a great career. Why don’t we give him some time in the regular season before you stick a fork in him. I’m not gonna write him off after some declined velocity in spring training.

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        • larry48

          7 years ago

          Greinke is in worst place to pitch Arizona ,, also play a lot of games in Denver. Check swings in both may be home runs. Need to go to large park but no one will take that contract.

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      • BlueSkyLA

        7 years ago

        My recollection is that Grienke has shown reduced velocity in spring training before. Maybe has something to do with his offseason routine?

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          7 years ago

          True yes he has, but the velocity in ST and in season continues to decline and that’s were the problem lies. Like I said, I wouldn’t be so much worried this year , but the taxation on the arm and age tend to hit quickly.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          I am recalling what Rick Honeycutt said about Grienke when the Dodgers were trying to sign him, that Grienke was the kind of pitcher who could be effective into his late 30s. Anything can happen of course and every athlete will break down eventually but it seems like too much to say his preseason velocity is a sign of anything.

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    • jay13

      7 years ago

      No one wants to be in Grienke’s head.

      Reply
  6. eddiemathews

    7 years ago

    Watched Puk against the Brewers and he looks very tough.

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    • AsNchill

      7 years ago

      Got to see him pitch against the Brewers on MLB.tv and even without command he was effective. Really excited to see him in the majors this year.

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  7. larry48

    7 years ago

    greinke got injection in elbow every year in spring training when with the Dodgers. Then his velocity would go up I susspect you can only do that so long and the pain no longer goes away.

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    • michaelw

      7 years ago

      Not only that you are masking the pain.
      Their is a reason why we have pain. It warns the body. He will throw out that elbow sooner or later and Arz will still have to pay him. He played the DBack big time.

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      • BlueSkyLA

        7 years ago

        Not necessarily so. Inflammations aren’t always a sign of structural issues and can be treated by a variety of noninvasive means.

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        • prestigeworldwide

          7 years ago

          i love how many sports medicine docs are on this site. beats web md for sure.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Tendonitis. Ever had it? Painful, but not dire. Treat with antii-inflamatories and rest and it generally goes away.

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  8. ayrbhoy

    7 years ago

    I understand the concern with Greinke‘ s FB velocity but he’s been in the league for so long are we missing the fact that successful SP’s who have gone through as many ST’s as he has tend to save their velo for regular season starts? Take the case of Felix Hernandez who has a track record of starting ST slowly only to stretch out his arm in the final ST start or two- lots of veteran SP’s like Felix and Greinke pace themselves through the ST games

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  9. michaelw

    7 years ago

    If your concerned now just wait till you fork over that 34.4 million when he’s 36.
    Oh and when’s he’s 37.

    Wait not done yet. And 38.

    34.4 million for a guy who’s 38. Who’s a funny moose?

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  10. Ski to Coors

    7 years ago

    LOL @ making a case for the A’s being even just OK in 2018. Give me a break.

    Lucroy isn’t going to draw more walks than SOs in the AL where he won’t be hitting in front of a pitcher.
    Khris Davis is their clean up hitter and he’s never even hit .250.
    Marcus Semien is probably going to leadoff and his career OBP is .307.
    Piscotty is best utilitized as a 4th OF and platoon partner.
    Matt Olson is just as likely to have a sophomore slump as he is to hit 40 HRs.
    Kendall Graveman, the staff ace, has 3 consecutive years with a FIP 4.34 or higher.

    And their division isn’t anything to laugh at. The Astros will eat this team alive. I don’t see the A’s winning many games against the Angels or Mariners either.

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    • CCCTL

      7 years ago

      Khris Davis
      2015 – .247/.323/.828 27HR
      2016 – .247/.307/.831 42HR
      2017 – .247/.336/.864 43HR

      List of players who hit more HRs than Khris since 2016 season started:
      Giancarlo Stanton
      [list ends]

      All in a pitcher-friendly park that’s not a mile high (the Coliseum is actually 23 feet *below* sea level).

      Yeah, pretty satisfied with that as a cleanup hitter.

      Oh, and Arenado is on record as being in awe of Matt Chapman’s glove (per Eno Sarris).

      “The Astros will eat this team alive.”

      Except, in September, with essentially the same rotation and infield defense, they swept the eventual WS winners in a 4-game series. Bullpen and outfield defense have improved.

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      • Jbigz12

        7 years ago

        The A’s aren’t a playoff team. Best case they finish 3rd. Let’s not mention the Astros and A’s September series last year because those 2 teams aren’t even comparable at this point. They’ve improved but they aren’t that good right now. They shouldn’t be good yet anyway. 2019 this team could be a playoff team depending on Puk/Barreto and Chapman and Olson’s continued development. By then you’ll likely have Mateo and Fowler up with some other top prospects and then you’ll have a serious team. This year is a little too soon.

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        • ayrbhoy

          7 years ago

          List of players who have better defensive metrics since 2016 started- every single OF in MLB. List of hitters with more strikeouts during the 2017 season: 1. Aaron Judge (list ends)

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        • CCCTL

          7 years ago

          List of A’s players moved from LF to DH
          (also, list of A’s players the RedSox would NOT stop asking for all offseason until they caved and paid JDM instead):

          Khris Davis

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        • CCCTL

          7 years ago

          Fowler is up this year. His knee is fine.

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        • AsNchill

          7 years ago

          I agree that this year is a little too soon. That’s why it would be a surprise if we were a wild card contender. If we’re playing meaningful baseball in September that means our pitchers have taken the corner, which is an encouraging sign. The talent is there, the consistency has a ways to go.

          Our 2019 roster could look vastly different. An infield of Olson, Barreto, Mateo and Chapman and an outfield of Piscotty, Fowler and Nunez would be a fairly deep lineup. This is where I wish we had signed Lucroy to a 2 year deal instead, to give us some flexibility when it comes to our catching situation in 2019. There is a chance Sean Murphy ends up being ready to hit in the bigs where we already know his defense plays, but he’s still only 23 years old.

          In any case we all know 2019 is the year. Last time we played our first series of the regular season in Japan against the Mariners we won the division in one of the most exciting, surprising and satisfying ways possible.

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        • ayrbhoy

          7 years ago

          Khris Davis = Rally killer

          Reply
  11. thekid9

    7 years ago

    So many Johnny Superscouts in here.

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