10:45pm: The Orioles and Yankees have formally announced the trade. Baltimore assigned Tate to Double-A Bowie. Rogers and Carroll have been assigned to Triple-A Norfolk.
8:01pm: The Zach Britton bidding war looks to have come to an end, as the Yankees have reportedly reached an agreement to acquire the left-hander from the Orioles in exchange for minor league pitchers Dillon Tate, Cody Carroll and Josh Rogers. The reported agreement has yet to be announced by either club and is said to still be pending medical reviews — a major final hurdle to clear, especially when considering Baltimore’s previous history of nixing or delaying deals over medical concerns.
If the trade is ultimately finalized and announced, the addition of Britton would boost an already overpowering Yankees relief corps that features the likes of Aroldis Chapman, David Robertson, Dellin Betances, Chad Green and Jonathan Holder. Each of those relievers has thrown at least 40 innings in 2018, and each has an ERA of 3.05 or better. All but Holder (7.9 K/9) have averaged 10.9 strikeouts per nine innings or better.
While he doesn’t quite look to be back in peak form after this offseason’s surgery on his Achilles tendon, Britton has made significant strides over his past eight outings in terms of both velocity and ground-ball rate. His control isn’t quite back up to its peak levels, but Britton is missing bats and racking up ground-balls at a 72.2 percent clip over eight straight scoreless appearances.
If healthy, Britton will give the Yankees a potentially dominant second lefty to pair with Chapman and the Yankees’ slew of top-notch right-handed arms. That’s been a missing piece for New York all season, as Chasen Shreve has been solid at times but largely inconsistent.
A free agent at season’s end, Britton is earning $12MM this season and is still owed about $4.38MM of that sum. That money would count against the Yankees’ luxury tax ledger, though the they’re currently a bit more than $15MM south of the $197MM barrier, so Britton won’t push them over the edge. His addition will inch them closer to that mark, which will need to be a consideration in further trades, but for the time being, they’re still well clear of penalization.
Because Britton will be changing hands in a midseason deal, he won’t be eligible to receive a qualifying offer at season’s end, meaning the Yankees won’t be able to recoup any draft-pick compensation if he departs and signs elsewhere as a free agent.
That’s barely a consideration for the Yankees, though, as they find themselves six games back from the Red Sox in the American League East. While the Yankees are hardly out of contention for a division title, it looks considerably likelier right now that they’ll find themselves in an American League Wild Card showdown against the Mariners or the Athletics. Adding another potential shutdown reliever to an already formidable bullpen will aid rookie manager Aaron Boone’s efforts to shorten the contest and provide the Yankees insurance in the event of an unexpectedly short start, such as the one they received from Luis Severino in last year’s Wild Card game against the Twins.
Furthermore, it’s become increasingly common for clubs to stack their bullpens with potent relievers as a means of shutting down opposing lineups in postseason series. The Astros, Cubs, Royals, Indians and Dodgers are among the teams that have enjoyed deep playoff runs in recent seasons with stacked relief units that can be relied upon more heavily in the postseason than during the regular season thanks to the built-in off days during the playoff schedule. Britton only furthers the Yankees’ ability to employ that tactic, should they ultimately return to the ALDS for a second consecutive season.
Turning to the Orioles, they’ll bid adieu to fan favorite in Britton — a longtime top prospect who floundered as a starter but emerged as one of the best (if not the best) reliever in baseball at his peak with the club. Britton anchored the Orioles’ bullpen in both 2014 and 2016, helping the team to the postseason in each of those two campaigns — even if he’ll be more remembered for manager Buck Showalter’s stunning decision not to use him in the 2016 Wild Card tilt against the Blue Jays. He’s the second star the O’s have shipped out in recent days, joining Manny Machado as Baltimore looks to restock a decrepit farm system that has long ranked among the worst in the game.
The top piece joining Baltimore’s minor league ranks is the 24-year-old Tate — the fourth overall pick in the 2015 draft. While Tate was originally selected by the Rangers, they subsequently traded him to New York a year later as the main piece in the Carlos Beltran swap. Tate was struggling at the time of that deal and had seen his prospect star dim a bit, but he’s rebuilt much of his stock with the Yankees and is currently in the midst of a quality season for the Yankees’ affiliate in Trenton. Through 82 2/3 innings, he’s worked to a 3.38 ERA with 8.2 K/9, 2.7 BB/9, 0.76 HR/9 and a 48.1 percent ground-ball rate.
Baseball America recently ranked Tate as the Yankees’ sixth-best prospect on its updated Top 10 rankings for the organization, praising his “high-end stuff” and crediting him with the potential for three plus pitches (fastball, slider changeup). He still needs to be more consistent with his secondary offerings, per BA’s report, but Tate will give the Orioles a much-needed potential mid-rotation starter on which they can dream.
Carroll, 25, ranks 15th among Yankees farmhands per Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com, though they’ve yet to publish their midseason update of the team’s rankings. That said, Carroll hasn’t done anything to lower his status in 2018. To the contrary, he’s been nothing short of brilliant out of the Yankees’ bullpen in Triple-A. Over the life of 41 2/3 innings, Carroll has logged a superlative 2.38 ERA with 11.9 K/9, 3.9 BB/9 and a 32.6 percent grounder rate. He’s been fortunate in that he’s yet to surrender a home run this season, so his ERA should probably be taken with a grain of salt, but Callis and Mayo slapped a 75-grade on his heater (on the 20-80 scale) in their free scouting report, and Carroll’s slider also draws plus ratings.
The 24-year-old Rogers, meanwhile, doesn’t rank among the Yankees’ top tier of prospects, but he’s worked to a 3.95 ERA with 6.8 K/9, 2.4 BB/9, 1.07 HR/9 and a 40.1 percent ground-ball rate in 109 innings (19 starts) for the team’s top affiliate in Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre so far in 2018. Given his age and relative success in the upper minors, it’s conceivable that he could help the Orioles as soon as the second half of the 2018 season. If not, it’s likely he’ll be viewed as an option to join the staff in 2019.
As for the Yankees, they’re still quite likely to be in the market for a starting pitcher. The fact that Tate is the headliner of the return for Britton subtracts one of their better chips, but the Yankees nonetheless possess a deep farm system that should allow them to pursue virtually any starter on the market — be it a major upgrade with multiple years of control remaining or a short-term rental with a decidedly lower cost of acquisition. The Britton trade, then, will likely be the first of many for the Yankees in the coming week (to say nothing of August) as they gear up for yet another postseason appearance.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported (via Twitter) that the Yankees had emerged as the front-runner for Britton and that Tate had been scratched from his start. SNY’s Andy Martino tweeted that the two sides had reached the medical review stage of talks. Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweeted that the Yankees would send three prospects back to the Orioles. Fancred’s Jon Heyman reported that the two sides had agreed on all of the players to be involved, pending medicals (Twitter links). Joel Sherman of the New York Post reported that Rogers and Carroll were in the deal (Twitter links).
why?
Yanks have one LH in the bullpen outside Chapman.. His name is Chasen Shreve. He’s been solid lately, but maddeningly inconsistent. Most Yankee fans are familiar with his act.
Also keeps him away from Boston and Houston
Cost the team little. While Tate was ranked high in the system, he hadn’t been mentioned in even trade rumour blogs like this. What seems surprising is the average age of the players traded. In today’s game, more and more developing players are coming up earlier and earlier. Not sure if that suggests being blocked in NY, having limited upsides or just a coincidence. Given the NY market, I believe they would have been publicized more if the upside was there.
In the meantime, the NY Mets sit on their behinds
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What are they supposed to do? Cespedes (finally) got surgery to correct calcifications in both his heels, and is out for 8-10 months.
He played DH one game, first time 2+ months. Went 2-for-4 with HR, yet Problems persisted, and went back on the DL. 2018 lost Mets season
Kahnle will take Shreve’s roster spot next year anyways. Might as well make it a Britton spot. They could also just option Gallegos if they want to keep Shreve, which I wouldn’t mind because Gallegos isn’t anything special. I’d rather Chasen Shreve in the 8th than Gallegos
Agreed on all points, but I believe Shreve will come back next year. He’s Arb eligible thru ‘20 and seems like he plays like All-Star, first half every year :))
If they’re smart, they’d bring him back, especially if finishes strong. Bullpen has always been the strength of this team… Also he just turned 28 this month. (Shreve)
No I agree, Shreve gets unneeded hate! He’s fine
Yankees Homer alert
gallegos goes down tomorrow for cessa’s start
His name is Robert Paulson
To keep him away from Houston and Boston that’s why. Rumor is it’s for Tate and Frazier.
Literally no one rumored Tate AND Frazier. Why make up rumors?
No way the O’s would ever have looked at Frazier unless he was a throw in, given his medical history. The guy probably has more value right now to NY Than to others. His injury history is getting long.
Three reasons, probably in this order:
1. The Yankees haven’t given up anything particularly useful. The headliner, Tate, was ranked the Yankees fifth best pitching prospect. He also needed protecting. So the Yankees give away someone towards the bottom of the 40 man pecking order, but the move frees up a spot to protect whoever the 41st guy is in that pecking order…meaning it’s not much of a loss, because the Yankees are loaded, and have had some really good unprotected players stolen from them the past two years.
The other notable piece is Carroll, a reliever. I like him, I think he’ll do well in Baltimore, but, once again, he’s pretty down in the pecking order. There are several better relievers sitting on the 40 man, acting as depth. So, same story: protecting him in the Rule 5 would’ve been inconvenient at best.
2. He actually improves the team. Not by as much as a great starting pitcher, but he’s probably going to slot in as the fourth best option in the Yankee bullpen (sometimes higher, if there are a couple of lefties coming up)…so he will pitch meaningful innings.
3. Kept Britton from the Red Sox. That more than doubles the impact of the trade on the division race, because they needed him more than the Yanks.
Zach Britton, when healthy and on his game, is the second best pitcher on our team…
Okay, let’s apply the “when healthy and on his game” filter to all Yankee pitchers, see what happens. Let’s be specific, and say “when healthy and on his game for at least a full year”. That seems like the minimum sample size to evaluate someone…we can’t go around ranking people based on what they do a couple of innings, otherwise everyone’s just gonna take turns being “the best” whenever they go through a hot streak. And that’s just silly talk.
So, if we apply that condition, then the best pitcher “when healthy and on his game for a full year or more” on the Yankee staff is of course CC: He spent a good seven years staying healthy and on his game, which is by far the most out of any Yankee. He also has the best results, of course, in that time: 3.14 ERA, 140 ERA+, averaged 220 innings/year, top 5 in the Cy Young six years in a row, won a Cy Young, lead the Yankees to the WS win. It’s unfortunate that he will never be healthy and on his game again, but that’s not a condition you specified. So CC is no. 1.
Second, I would go with Tanaka. He spent several years dominating Japan, including a 24-0 record and a 1.27 ERA, followed up by winning the Japan Series in 2013. Then he came into the majors and pitched to an ERA around 2.00… until he hurt his elbow in June 2014. That’s years of excellence, on two continents. Far longer than Britton, not to mention far better when it comes to what matters: how much you contribute to your team winning.
Tanaka, like CC, hasn’t been healthy since, but even pitching with a tear in his ACL, he had a 5.2 bWAR in 2016. That’s a full point more than what Britton did in his best year.
After that, I would go Sevy. He’s been healthy and on his game for the past year and a half, with excellent results. Then, Sonny Gray (had a 5.3 bWAR year, clearly better than any reliever). And then the relievers, where Britton ranks behind Chapman and Betances (who was unhittable through 2013-14, and looks to have finally regained that form this year).
So, if you use your criteria, he’s the seventh best. If we just look at who’s better right now, then he probably jumps ahead of Gray, from the previous list…but is definitely behind D-Rob….so still seventh.
Now we need a good catcher. The two we have are horrible especially the backup.The Marlins have a good one. Sanchez has lost it. I don’t think when he comes back he will be like he was last year.
#Yuck!
Yuck for the Orioles? They got great value. Rentals aren’t worth much these days.
Yes, for ZB, they gots some interesting pieces
TF did you expect? Britton is no sure thing. He could be extremely dominant but the Yankees are taking a gamble on him and only half a few months to reap any results. I’d you expected any more you set yourself up for failure
Well done O’s!!!! Getting some intriguing pieces in return these last few deals. More coming (Bundy, Gausman, Schoop and/or Givens)????
I sure hope so. Trade em all!
Same goes for the Cardinals! Sell them all. But who would even want any of their mediocre position player for a stretch run unless they needed a utility infielder?? They just got Ozuna, but he might, I said might be the only Cardinal other teams might be interested.
Yuck? Tate alone is one heck of a return. He hasn’t been much of a prospect since he was drafted because Texas made him pitch with the mechanics they wanted. Understandingly, he flopped out of the gate and Cashman bought low on him. When he came over to the Yankees they let him pitch however he wanted and he returned to being the pitcher he was in college. Remember Arrieta and what Baltimore did to him? The Rangers did the same exact same thing to Tate.
He will join the Orioles rotation next year sometime and will be making the Yankees sorry they let him go in 2020.
Carroll is a great lefty relief pitching prospect that breaks 100mph easily. He is an extreme fly ball pitcher though (Tyler Clippard) and the Orioles would be smart to trade him to Oakland or Seattle while he is having a dominant year. Opposing batters are going to tee off on him in Baltimore.
It wasn’t too long ago when Yankee fans were clamoring for Rogers to be called up. It wouldn’t surprise me if he became the best piece in the trade. He is ready for a call up to get his feet wet in MLB. He seems to be one of those players that struggles a bit when he advances to another level. However, he has been very good at making adjustments and then becoming dominant. Like Tate, I think the Yankees are going to regret trading him in 2020 if not sooner.
This package although it lacks any well known prospects, packs a solid punch and I doubt any other team came close to offering as much. They definitely made the Yankees pay a premium for trading within the division. I like Britton a lot but they gave up a bit too much. Yes, these were all players on the 40 man crunch but I would rather have seen Chance Adams replace Rogers or Tate.
Sorry about the long post in reply. You might say yuck now but in 2020 Rogers and Tate will be your #3-#4 pitchers and a good chance at being #2-#3. Cashman made a big mistake with this trade and Yankee fans that know their prospects know how much he gave up.
I am sorry about the novel but sometimes it takes that much to explain your point when it comes to multiple prospects in a trade.
Called it! (Kind of)
Glad Angelos finally stepped out of his own way.
He just said he wouldn’t trade manny to the Yankees
A reliever is different
I bet someone fails their physical
That would be Drury now.
Hope he is as good as when he wiped us out in the 9th a couple of weeks ago..
oh, by the way, Zach. can you catch?
Judging by the downvotes, I would guess not.
If drury was involved he wouldn’t be playing right now
He just got pulled out – although it’s because he was hit in the wrist by a pitch
i saw boone made the call before the trainer even said anything
a1544
Drury just got hurt. he got hit in the wrist with a pitch. out of game. He has no luck
hope he’s alright
1544, he is not involved, you are correct!! lol
Called what? Many people did… You’re not the only one boss.
My guess is McKinney and Tate or Acevedo and Tate
Thats way too much for Britton. Have you seen the returns for Herrera and Familia? Use those as comps.
They just said multiple prospects are involved. So Tate + another top 25 guy and ANOTHER guy, maybe Hoy Jun Park or Kyle Holder. And considering Britton was the best reliever in baseball for two years, that’s more than fair once he’s healthy again and not gun shy to pitch with his Achilles, psychologically. His ceiling far exceeds anything Herrera and Familia have ever done.
i can see Tate in there, but i dont see another top 25 guy. maybe two lottos+tate. Yankees top 25 guy is a top 10 guy in a lot of farms
There was only 1 closer with more saves than Britton (47) in 2016, and that was Familia (who had 51). Also, that was 2 years ago. Britton is coming off a tough injury and is owed more $ than Familia through the end of the year, so their values aren’t that far apart. Even though Britton might be the better pitcher of the 2, he’s not so much better that you can’t discuss them in the same grouping.
Value is relative to team by payroll and need. The Yankees will clearly be paying more for Britton than the A’s did for Familia. I’d rank Britton ahead of Familia, especially because when healthy, Familia has implosions and Britton doesn’t.
Since 2016 Britton has a full run advantage in ERA and you can attribute some of the calculation to rust from injury. Take that out and he’s been infinitely better
To be fair, Tate is a better return on his own than the Herrera and Familia returns. They just mentioned another player. Its looking like Tate+two lottos
I could see him being more “expensive” than Familia (factoring in intra-division and the fact that the Mets are poorly run), but not exorbitant like Tate and Acevedo (and I firmly believe that Cashman would never package both of those guys for a rental).
Begamin, while the Yankees have an amazing farm system, to say that their 25th guy is as good as “a lot” of team’s top 10 is just ridiculous. Homer less or read more please.
A lot of teams are pushing B-/C+ prospects at 10. Yankees push C+/C prospects at 20. Maybe you need to do some reading. Here, i’ll link some prospects lists so you can compare. Theyre a little bit outdated (pre season rankings) but you know. I wasnt speaking from my butt, bud.
yankees: minorleagueball.com/2017/12/8/16754038/new-york-yankees-top-20-prospects-for-2018
mariners: minorleagueball.com/2018/1/22/16920836/seattle-mariners-top-20-prospects-for-2018
brewers: minorleagueball.com/2018/2/21/17038344/milwaukee-brewers-top-20-prospects-for-2018
Can’t really say. $1m could buy an IFA equal to a low first-round pick. Value is to be determined.
not much upside. the $1m In IFA money Mets received is effectively a low first round talent = upside.
MurderersRow. You are leaving out the biggest difference between Britton and Familia. That is Britton is a lefty. Hand, Britton, Duke, Conley and Diekman are the lefty relievers available. After Hand was traded Britton is far and away the best available. I thought the Yankees would get Conley myself. Only 25, lots of control left and cheap. I have to say though, with the addition of Britton that bullpen is probably the first to have 3 pitchers who were top closers the year before.
Familia is in no way a valid comp for Britton.
Correct. Britton is coming back from serious injury, has pitched a fraction of the innings this year, and has worse stats across the board. His being a lefty helps. If a real team with a competent front office handled Familia, the return would likely be comparable or better than what Britton got.
Disagree. Britton was the best RP in baseball for two years and his track record is better than that if Familia’s. Yes, there’s the injury but he’s pitched incredibly well of late. He only has two blemishes and both were early on after coming off the DL.
I doubt the Yankees are trading Tate AND Acevedo (#9 and #7 overall prospects for Yankees respectively) for Britton alone.
True, Mike Axisa was speculating he’d be more expensive than all, and I agree. Tate, some SS prospect like Holder or Park, and Cody Carroll?
Nice call. You were close, Kenneth. I guessed a couple of days ago that Carroll and Tate would be traded at some point this summer. They are on the outter fringes of the 40 man and Caroll is an extreme fly ball pitcher. I think it’s a bit too high of a price when you include Rogers, but now Tanaka only has to pitch 4 innings, which makes him very effective again and gives them a solid rotation for the postseason. Well worth 3 decent but not great prospects until 2020 when Rogers and Tate are giving the Yankees losses from the Orioles rotation.
@kenneth cole, go read the first post of the Britton Poll.
Why said kind of 😉 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/mlbtr-poll-wholl-land-zach-britton.html
Did you read the article before you commented? I mean they name all the players involved! You don’t have to guess just read. Dillion Tate is the centerpiece followed by josh Rodgers and Cody Carroll.
Dude relax. They just updated it.
I’m relaxed I’m not being a jerk. I’m just saying the players are all named.
They weren’t originally. They update the same page when details emerge. The players weren’t all known when the deal was posted.
Exactly.
There’s always some buffoon with zero context of when comments are made. I would suggest a time and date stamp on comments but these guys will still make the same dumb comments
article is periodically updated. sometimes ppl respond before an update.
Drury just exited the game…
He was hit in the hand with a pitch. Hope it doesn’t stop a Britton trade from happening
Guys. Can we please stop using the term sweepstakes. It’s not a sweepstakes, one team is giving up something to get something else.
Fair. And updated.
Thanks. I made this same comment the other day: “sweepstakes” and “kicking the tires” need to be retired!
“kicking the tires” is so def!
Yall do awesome work and I’m not complaining, but that was getting old.
If it is going to be a sweepstakes then Publishers Clearing House should announce the final deal. That would be different, finding out you’ve been traded by someone ringing your doorbell to tell you.
I wholly endorse this idea.
Heh heh heh!
You are correct sir!
Oooohhh…can we call it a raffle? I know it doesn’t exactly fit but saying the Yankees are about to win the Britton Raffle sounds awesome!
thank you! I was gonna say something too
We need a starter, so let’s go get a reliever. I’m not saying Yankees are done dealing, but Boone may wanna put a call in to the Rays coaching staff to get some insight on this “bullpen days” strategy.
Solaris, lol
Probably no good deals on starters right now. If you can bolster the pen that is the second best option.
It’s quite possible that there just aren’t any starters available so far that are real difference makers. It doesn’t make sense for the Yankees to go out and trade for a #5 starter. They need a #3+ that they can count on to start a playoff game. Upgrade the 1 weak spot in your bullpen (Chasen Shreve) and go from there. Maybe in the next 6-7 days a true impact starter becomes available (and with the price for Happ already falling, maybe it falls so much that the Blue Jays move him for next to nothing), but if that doesn’t happen upgrading an area of strength is not a bad idea. Plus, keeping him away from Boston or Houston is also a positive.
murderers,
I hate to say it but I absolutely agree with you.
an excellent post!
Thanks eileenyanks!
MurderersRow27
you are very welcome!
I had a similar thought this morning. I go back to the wildcard game last year when severino got pulled early after giving up a bunch of runs. The bullpen won that game and a strong bullpen gives them the option to yank the starter early in the playoffs if they are stinking up the joint. Given the lack of good available starters, this seems like a smart move and the best alternative.
omg, I just failed an English test, spelling too, the word arz incorrectly
omg, I just failed an English test, spelling too, the word arz incorrectly
GEEEEZE
Drury just got removed from the game after getting hit on the hand by a pitch, they showed his hand swollen and already getting black and blue… not looking too good. I would hope though that if Tate is on the table for Britton, that the Yankees wouldn’t also be including Drury.
Was just removed* not just got removed… hahaha geez
murderous, You are an official are
English School Sub?
murderous, You are an official arz
English School Sub?
Nope, not a substitute English teacher lol, just realized what I posted was totally incorrect. Haha
Will you his ever end? Is Tate enough?
u wot m8?
Welp Dodgers have got to pick up a reliever the top tier ones are going fast.
Multiple prospects going to the Yankees in the deal? Is that a typo?
I thought the same thing at first, but then I realized that Cashman is magic and will get the Orioles to give up multiple prospects to take Britton.
Huh? Good one
So multiple prospects will go to the Yankees along with Britton?
meanwhile in chicago…..Zzzzzzzzzzzz…
Nick, lolol
And look at that, Bowden is wrong again saying the Astros were “all in” to get Britton. If they were truly all in they would be gotten him because they have the guys to do it.
Wondering if Sonny Gray could be part of this Yankees package … Dillon Tate and Gray for Britton? There has been some talk of the Yanks looking to move on from Gray … which surprises me because I thought they wanted to ADD a SP? IDK, just wondering.
Dillon Tate and Gray for Britton?
I would take that
No way the Yankees trade Tate and Sonny Gray to the Orioles for Britton.. that is FAR too much.
Yes indeed Tate and Gray for Britton. Yankees making move for Degrom
This would be a gross overpay
Gray is good away from Yankee stadium, but he’d be a disaster in Baltimore. He needs to go to a pitchers park.
Silvio. lol, Wouldn’t that be awesome, and Shreve. and Herman and Sanchez..
Now I am being mean, lol. just saying
Multiple prospects? Hmmm… Tate, Kyle Holder, and Cody Carroll? No idea lol none of us are GM’s. Speculating on which prospects are going really gets us nowhere.
Seriously not being a jerk but the article you’re commenting on literally mentions all the players involved! No need to guess! Tate, Rodgers and Carroll.
You’re just not being a jerk you’re just not using your brain. When they write the articles they update them as more information becomes available. When these guys originally commented the prospects coming to Baltimore weren’t known.
Are you new here?
Britton is not going to help them win a championship. It’s a waste to give up a good prospect for him.
Correct. That’s why they aren’t really giving up any good prospects.
“That’s why they aren’t really giving up any good prospects” that’s funny because you and most of the yankee fans around here would’ve been telling me how “deep” their system is an hour ago. Wouldn’t the #9 prospect from a “deep” system be a good prospect?
The system IS deep. He IS one of our top 3 starting pitching prospects but you have to give to get and HOPEFULLY it won’t blow up in our face.
Tate was going to be rule 5 eligible. He’s not ready for the majors yet and despite our needs they probably feel there are other players they need to protect first.
If Tate is the headliner for Britton, that wouldn’t be a bad move for the Yankees. They got Tate for 2 months of Beltran, and Tate doesn’t have a path to the majors anytime soon with the Yankees. Also, to say he couldn’t help them win a championship makes zero sense.
Of course Tate had a path. Other than Sev and Tanaka who’s a lock for 2019? That being said I’m not quite happy giving up Tate. This is his first full season and he looked good. I would say the Yanks have a few guys like Tate. We do have a few guys like Tate in the lower minors. Good addition tho.
How did Tate not have a path to the majors anytime soon? Their second most reliable starter is on his last legs or close to it… The whole deadline narrative for the team has been that they need starting pitching…Tate is a starting pitcher.
Tate is (was) the 7th best pitching prospect in the Yankees system; behind Sheffield, Abreu, Adams, Medina, Perez and Acevedo. He was nowhere near ready to perform at the MLB level. Severino, Tanaka, Gray, Montgomery, Cessa, Germán, Loaisiga are all under team control moving forward and all also ahead of Tate. Will they all be with the organization in a year or two? Most likely not, but as of right now they all are. Like when the Yankees traded Rutherford in that package to the White Sox, he was ranked higher than Tate has ever been ranked and they moved him because he wasn’t close to helping at the MLB level, and there were far too many OF options already ahead of him.
Medina is 19 and Perez and Abreu are still in high A. Tate was certainly closer to the big leagues than those 3. The former two aren’t having fantastic seasons either. The Yankees have enough mid rotation upside prospects to make one expendable for sure but let’s hope they chose the right one.
I disagree with you completely on the rankings. Adams seems to have fallen out of favor with Chapman completely and has struggled this year. Perez has struggled and him and Media are at least 2-3 years away imo. He pitched at AA this yearmi think he would be ready for some sort of coup next year. That being said the Yanks DO have guys that you mentioned with some really good talent that are ahead ofTate and already on the 40 man (German, Loisaiga, etc). You have to give to get.
I meant fallen out of favor with Cashman.
When I was posting the rankings, they weren’t my personal rankings. I used the MLB Pipeline (their prospect rankings).
Hey everybody, we have the next Bill James here! Lets all follow the keen advice and statements by Perksy! I am all in!
What are the chances that this trade is delayed because of a medical snag?
I don’t understand this haul.
Does Baltimore want Chasen Shreve?
Acarn, you are cracking me up everytime you post about Shreve..I DO not want him near the mound either
Tate is the leader of the see ya pack..
medicals are happening
I generally think Cashman is a bright guy, but this seems like an exceptionally poor move.
Mike. it is good to have insurance, besides I betcha he feels something is not Kosher with Chapman
Wfan said that Chapman may have knee issue
tmcca. yes he does but he had been doing well on it, but I don’t think he will last long on it..
Give up nothing important to get a good lefty for the bullpen– that’s “exceptionally poor” to you? Were you the guy saying that acquiring Stanton was a disaster, and the trade for Didi Gregorious was an “epic fail”?
You must be a Yankees fan if you don’t think giving up Tate is anything important. As a neutral bystander, I love the return for the normally mismanaged Orioles.
He’s 100% a Yankees fan. Same type of guy who will tell you how deep the system is and then tell you that Tate isn’t a loss. Tate is clearly a pretty good prospect and could’ve helped the Yankees rotation as early as next season. It was a pretty high price to pay. Glad he’s coming to Baltimore. Could be a good deal for New York too but they paid for it.
There is no such thing as a “neutral bystander” when it comes to the yankees, cupcake.
Either yankee fans, or yankee haters.
Stop the non sense.
Another exceptionally good move by Cashman.
I’d tend to agree with you on this ctguy.. this is not a bad move by any means.
How is this an exceptionally poor move?
Murderers,
lol Tate is the first to go, 2 more I believe
Cashman has been spotted at local organ donor clinics in search of a heart for Sanchez…price is pretty steep tho
I think at this point the Yankees are trying to trade for everyone in baseball
They’ve made offers for Machado, and now Britton. How is that “everyone”?
yanks need a lefty reliever and starter
I’m with it! Load up O’s! Move Schoop next!
I still want to see an Orioles starter be developed through the Orioles. The last great Orioles starter? Mussina? Getting starters is great but I just hope they can be developed to be productive. A lot of talent has gone through their system and not much has been produced.
I think this can only occur after a FO change. The current FO and farm system has proven their lack of ability to develop SP talent into sustainable results. They can definitely develop bats and RP’s but not SP’s.
Disappointed. Was hoping Zach would end up in Houston.
It’s for Tate and Frazier for Britton. Yankees doing this to keep him away from Red Sox and Houston. I think also Chapman maybe hurt
There’s no way Cash sends Frazier plus Tate for Britton. If Frazier is included, there’s more coming back to NYY.
Stop with your fake “rumors.” It’s annoying, plus everyone with a brain already knew it wasn’t going to be Tate AND Frazier. Not even believable fake rumors.
See nobody knows because we aren’t GM’s. Shocker. Josh Rogers, who would have guessed that? I’m very surprised they don’t want Holder considering Mountcastle isn’t a future SS and Adam Hall is a ways away
They’re probably not catching the Redsox…..so they’ll have a better record heading into the wildcard game? Huh?
Gee wiz Johnny that’s clever…
I bet this deal falls through
just like the orioles playoff hopes for the next five years
Well it’s complete, so I hope it goes through
Yankees are going to have more closers than starters soon
“medical reviews”
i’m guessing it will be Rodgers, Tate, and another guy that will be Rule 5 eligible soon. Carroll might be the guy or Tarpley, Feyreisen???
Prospect package apparently agreed upon. Dillon Tate, Josh Rogers and Cody Carroll will be heading to Baltimore. Not a bad trade for the Yankees, probably alleviates some of their 40 man roster issues/decisions that will come up after the season as well. Better to get something for some of the “fringe” guys than them leaving for nothing.
Well I got Carroll and Tate right. Surprised Holder wasn’t involved
Maybe the Orioles were prioritizing arms over positional players? Their pitching has been a major problem for quite some time now, and Carroll is close to MLB ready. Perhaps that’s what their thinking is (just a guess on my part).
Kenneth, why did you keep suggesting Holder? I think the Orioles would be crazy to insist on him. He’s a 24 year old in AA with a career.331 SLG%. He really offers almost nothing with the bat. Sure he’s very good on defense but those guys are a dime a dozen.
Its a done deal. Unfortunately.
Not totally done yet. Package of players has been agreed upon, now waiting for all medicals to be reviewed.. and nobody in MLB fails more people during this process than the Orioles haha
Carroll is the biggest loss for NY in this trade. Dude has serious potential
Why? I thought Tate was the center-piece. What makes Carroll have “serious potential”? One NYY fan to anothr
Carroll can touch 100 and then break knees with a mid 80s breaking ball. Has some control issues occasionally, but he’s definitely got the stuff to be a high-ceiling and high-floor arm out of the pen. That being said, since Tate adjusted his delivery back to the way he pitched in college after Texas tried to change it he has been much better. As a potential mid-rotation starter he’s still the centerpiece, but Carroll is nothing to scoff at either.
You might be right about Carol but the Yanks have shown an insane ability to turn late round picks into “Carol” types. Guys with 95-100 mph fastballs and 1 off speed pitch. They have incredible depth in those types of pitchers and every year they tend to debut another.
It’s official, jon heyman confirmed it.
thank God
Drury. is ok xrays negative
and Britton is almost done deal
Not an Orioles fan, but I’m glad they’re finally trying to hit the reset button. They should get rid of everyone they can. It won’t load up their farm system to the degree the White Sox got with their trades, but it could shave years off their rebuild if they go all-in on this.
Chapman to the DL in 3….
2…
1…..
lol Ken
Still think it is funny,Eileen?
He was warming up at the end of tonight’s game (but Tanaka finished it.).
Masahiro Tanaka has 6 complete games since 2014. (One today) No other Yankee starter has more than 1.
(Luis Severino, CC Sabathia, Sonny Gray, Michael Pineda, and Brandon McCarthy.)
After today’s CG shutout (1BB, 9K, 3H) Tanaka 8-2 (6-0, road)
Especially from Yankees who hardly ever produce starters
Yeah that Severino guy is just horrible.
He was last year
Severino was third in Cy Young voting last year.
The year he finished 2nd for the Cy Young?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2017.shtml
Ok…3rd. Still, the guy said Severino wasn’t that good “a year ago”. Clearly he was a stud. Maybe he meant 2 years ago as in 2016?
Even though Britton is only a rental this is a light return for the Orioles. I’m surprised they they didn’t push for a guy like Garret Whitlock to be included
This is a good return for the O’s.
This looks to be a pretty good return for Baltimore, and listening to the reports most people around the MLB are also agreeing that the O’s did well in this trade. You wanna talk about a light return, talk about what the A’s sent to the Mets for Familia hahaha
Unless Tate becomes a mid rotation starter this is a weak return for Baltimore. That return for Familia was beyond laughable but that doesn’t mean the Orioles should have taken a light return for Britton. But as a Yankee fan I can’t complain
If people around the game are saying it’s a good return for the Orioles, then I’d tend to believe that they got a good return. It’s not just 1 person saying that either, just throwing that out there.
They’re prospects for a reason. In every prospect trade you could say “it’s a weak return unless … “ The goal in these trades is to get somebody who has a great chance of developing. I would rather take the chance on Tate and these guys than two months of Britton is a lost season.
They may have pushed. They just didn’t get him.
Well Carroll was an obvious one besides Tate because he projects as a tall 7-8 inning guy, but who’s gonna play short now? Gonna ride out Tim Beckham? Mountcastle Isn’t a future SS and Hall is ways away. I would have asked for Kyle Holder instead of Rogers.
Yankees shipped Rogers out because they had no room for him on the 40 man crunch. Holder has another year before he needs to go on the 40. He’s not ML ready either so idk how he affects the orioles SS plans. He’s probably nothing more than a utility man at best. If you don’t like Beckham you certainly wouldn’t like holder.
Sorry Jays fans you can trade Happ to Milwaukee
Britton replaces Chapman. Chapman done for year with knee surgery.
Paging Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard.
Paging Ken, cleanup in stall number two
Yep. Looks like I had no idea what I was talking about. Too blind or too dumb to See? Which is it, Cap’n Crunch?
Ouch! Cashman got taken on this one. That’s way too steep a price for the rental of a reliever past his prime. Carroll is going to be great and would have taken one of the bullpen spots that open up next year when Robertson and Warren leave. Rogers is going to be a quality lefty reliever/spot starter in the future.
Cashman did not get taken. They needed a lefty reliever and he got one. All it cost is 3 prospects. No proven major league talent was included.
I’m not big into top 100 lists as most but we didn’t give up a top 100 guy. Think of the haul relievers have been traded for as of late.
The only relievers that have brought a haul thr past couple of years are non-rentals like Hand. This is a very good return for the Orioles.
“The only relievers that have brought a haul thr past couple of years are non-rentals like Hand.”
Aroldis Chapman would like a word
And Britton is not Chapman. At least not this year.
These are all Rule 5 guys anyway. They most likely would have been traded for much less over the winter.
Except for Tate. He would make most teams 40 man.
I disagree!!!! I’ve had to change my mind. Tate IS legit but the Yanks have sooooooo many guys that they need to protect and I guess they value them ahead of Tate.
Don’t you just love it when commenters speak about prospects as if they are destined to be great? There is no such thing as a prospect that is going to be great. There are only prospects that COULD be great. Although I would argue that neither Carroll nor Rogers fall into that category.
Boo
Glad to see Duquette be willing to take the best offer available, even if it does come from the Yankees.
My thought is that this is at least partially about the wildcard play-in game. If the starter falters like Sevy did last year, the bullpen can (hopefull;y) be rock solid and lengthy..
Huge hall for a fa at the end of year. Yankees bullpen is loaded, not sure why they needed britton. I guess more couldnt hurt lol
They don’t have a good lefty besides chap who seems like he might be hurt and can’t trust shreve
Agreed. It’s very obvious why they needed a lefty bullpen arm. Shreve can’t be counted on consistently.
Plus he’s locked into the closer role so a LHP that can be used strategically is a plus.
Maybe they’ll convert Britton to SP? Otherwise this trade is useless.. they need 2 SP to compete
Just a braindead comment.
They aren’t competing now?
Guess boston is the only team in MLB that can compete.
They will have no chance in a series against Boston, Cleveland, or Houston when you start lining up SP.. I honestly think the Mets would give them a problem in a 7 game series right now … Britton will be replacing someone in the pen that has been very good .. this addresses no need .. Severino looks shaky lately and the fact they didn’t start him out of the break is concerning, as is his 13ER in his last 3 starts, totaling 15IP.. now you have Grey as a 2? Tanaka? They will not be able to compete in a series .. would be surprised if it went more than 5 games in a 7 game set against the aforementioned teams
In a 7 game series you really only need 3 starters. You give me Sev, Tanaka and CC with Chap, Bets, Britton, Robo, Green, German, Holder, Shreve, Warren, etc coming out the pen, you really only need 6 solid innings for them. With this offense, I’ll take that challenge. Sale is the only pitcher I fear in that Sox rotation.
Another Yankee front office blunder! Excellent. They grab Stanton instead of JD Martinez, brilliant!! They grab Sonny Gray, brilliant!! This is like the old days when Steinbrenner was throwing away money for expensive duds!! Three guys to Baltimore to make sure Houston doesn’t get Britton, brilliant!! So now they can follow Brian Kenny’s idea and pitch a reliever an inning in the play-in game so they can start Severino against Sale, brilliant!!
Need to update the old saying about taxes and death. Let’s add Yankee management buying the most over-priced non-effective player available!!
Dude, relax! Have you watched any games this year? A lefty out of the pen was a glaring need seeing as Shreve was the only other option. Also, all three guys are rule 5 eligible come December. Other than Tate, I don’t see the other two being added to the 40 man roster.
Hey KD, you mean like the taxes the Red Sox are paying so much of this season, the next, and so on!!
What are you talking about? Chapman might be injured and Shreve is meh. Traded for x,y, and z cause as of now none of them were playing for the Yankees and probably wouldn’t anything soon. We got Stanton for Castro, that’s a win everyday. Yankees with the 3rd best record in the game. Stop complaining
Except they didn’t BUY anyone. You mention about the “old Yankee ways of signing old duds” but then chastise them for NOT signing Martinez the free agent vs trading for the reigning NL MVP who’s 2 years younger? You sir, need to stick to the “organics”.
knickscavsfan – So JD Martinez is an old dud? Not dude, dud meaning not worth his price, can’t perform, failing badly. Before you write something stupid try to read what the person wrote!!
Want to bet in 5 years on who was the better pick, Stanton or JD? Stanton will average less than 130 games a year over his contract, it’s just a matter of time! Injury prone players don’t change their stripes!! Just curious, do the Yankees get any banked credit for a guy winning an MVP BEFORE he comes to them? You need to calm down!!
KD17, you need to calm down a little bit haha. Oh, and I disagree with pretty much everything you just ranted about. Sorry.
The non effective reliever you were posting about yesterday that you wanted the sox to get? LMFAO
Dury couldn’t be included. O’s medicals showed that he’s pregnant…..
Like your tonsils.
Any info on the prospect haul?
Any news on what the Cubs were offering?
Now time for the finishing touches, Kirby Yates plus Tyson Ross package? One of Brandon Drury or Billy McKinney going back to San Diego with Shreve.
Yankeee bullhorn is complete. They seem to want better options than Ross or Happ
Yep this just proves the Mets special magic. Orioles get legitimate prospects. Mets a couple of stiffs.
Great trade for the Yanks. Not sold on Tate being more then a 7th inning reliever. The other 2 r a middle reliever and a 5/6th ceiling starter.
Plus if the starting market is insane right now like the rumors r suggesting. Miswell extend the bullpen and keep them fresh for October. Basically have 4 closers now. Betances, Robertson from the right side and Chapman and Britton from the left. Plus a dude who would b closing for the Tigers if he was still there in Green
So they have more quality closers than starters. Interesting.
They have more quality closets then over half of baseball has quality starters. But solid attempt at a troll
Closers
Ever article has to mention the player passing the Orioles physical. Please stop. You sound stupid saying it. We get it the O’s due there due dillenge on medical reports. Who cares. Two big Orioles trades in one week that brought back 8 prospects.
A lot of people care and its not stupid at all to point it out. I know you are an O’s fan but your team management/ownership brought that on themselves and their fans I guess
Cashman just shortened the game to the 5th inning, good job.
If they can get out of the Wild Card game.
The problem is being able to make it to the 5th inning…..
If medical records hold, good prospect package for DD for shipping out a two and a half month rental
I would expect the Yankees to acquire a SP. They already have one of the best BPs ever.
Not really any top level starters available right now. Better off shortening the game and just going on as they have rather than overpay and/or get another #4/5
deGrom? Yankees must be trying to get him. Same with the Dodgers. Both teams should be going all in for him. He could do for either team and then some what Verlander did last year for Houston. He’s controllable for 3 more years!
Who needs a starter when u can go to the pen in the 4th inning
I realize it’s a Yankee Universe and the rest of us are just bystanders, but how about some love for Duquette. Seems to me he’s done pretty well with these two trades. You can argue the quality (all based on guesses about prospect lists), but the quantity is attractive.
I think he’s done a pretty good job.
Agreed, for a poorly run team with delusional ownership, he’s gotten decent value for both, especially Britton.
Duke finally had the ability to make these deals happen. To be honest I prefer Dillon Tate to Colin Moran and he was the headliner last season. I think it’s just as likely that Tate becomes a solid SP as it is for Moran to become a good ML 3B. He has below average range speed and arm strength. Moran has good bat to ball skills and can draw a walk. I honestly feel like he’s one of those guys who is a borderline starter that you’d always like to upgrade.
Leave it to the O’s to get three 24 or older prospects when they’re in the early stages of a rebuild. Sure they got some talent there, but wouldn’t it make more sense to trade for some younger prospects or even some younger lotto picks than to try and excelerate a long rebuild with older prospects?
Who cares? Dillon Tate had to be the best prospect offered by any team. Take that prospect. If Carroll comes up and shows to be a quality relief arm he could be traded for a few more prospects in two years time. I don’t have any problems with taking the best talent available. None of them have any service time so it’s not like we took on Brandon Drury here. I’d deal Gausman, Givens or Bundy as well if the offer is right. I still am holding out hope for Bundy to have a breakout season one of these years though.
No. Whats important is quality not quantity
Two trades of rentals, two great returns for Duke. Jones and Brach are still on the block and hopefully the O’s can continue to stock up on quality prospects. So far its a nice start to the rebuild. The Yankees and the Red Sox are going to be really good for at least 2-3 more years, so O’s fans just need to bide our time and look for our guys to be competitive again in 2021 or 2022. Good job Duke.
The only way getting Britton helps is if Chapman gets hurt, otherwise, all you’ve done is build on an existing strength and not address the huge weakness in the starting staff. Is something wrong with Chapman? If not, maybe Cashman is going to add Britton to a deal with the Mets that will send Sanchez (mis-behaved catcher who can no longer hit), Florial and Sheffield for Syndergaard!! Let’s see, Syndergaard gets hurt all the time like Stanton, Ellsbury and so many other star acquisitions. Yep, he seems to fit. Plus he’s another guy to add to the off season basketball team. Frontline of Judge, Stanton and Syndergaard!! They’d be tough to beat!!
LOL. Red Sox lost 6-7 to the worst team in MLB today. Yanks won 3-0 behind Tanaka’s complete game shutout.
5.0 games back now? It was 6.5 couple of days ago. We’re coming for you. Worry about your ~237M payroll.
What also plays a key factor in this is that the Yankees blocked their two biggest competitors from getting Britton which could be almost as valuable as having him on their team. The risk of him becoming dominant for Houston or Boston in October had to factor into their thought process. I think that’s being overlooked.
That’s a great argument. Houston desperately needed him. The Red Sox have Kimbrel and can find a cheaper 8th inning guy and be set. Houston probably is uncomfortable haning Rondon as their comparable to Chapman and Kimbrel and Allen.(even if Allen isn’t having his best year).
Wouldn’t you agree this move makes less sense if they don’t get a SP, especially if it’s about the money.
Getting a SP doesn’t sound like it’s been about the money so far (as evidenced by the fact that they took on all of Britton’s remaining salary and they still have $10ish million to spend on a SP), but it’s more like the available SP aren’t really worth trading for… especially at the price tags that have been attached. Reports earlier today said that the price for Happ has dropped considerably over the past week and continues to fall (as does his performance, it seems). No reason to trade prospects just to trade for a SP unless they can get a SP that they feel can be impactful, especially come playoff time.
Wow you haven’t followed the season have you? Red Sox are 10-3 against Baltimore the worst team in MLB today and the Yankees are 5-5. Hmmmm. I think 10-3 is better. Your only hope of staying ahead of Oakland for the Wildcard is to start beating the teams you should beat like Baltimore, 5-5, Tampa Bay 6-5, Texas 1-2, and the National League East 9-6 with no series sweeps so far. Once you start doing the things that a good team does, ie dominating the bad teams, then you might have a shot at the playoffs. Otherwise, it’s the play=in game at best. Watch out for Oakland and Seattle, they are on your heels. But you have Britton and 1 quality SP so you should be fine!! Isn’t it about that time of the year when Stanton gets hurt? You know, the annual trip to the DL? It’s overdue. Hey, the good news for us is we don’t have to face Castro any more. He was always much scarier than Stanton. He actually made contact with the ball regularly. My big hope was that you’d get Machado and send Didi packing because he’s another thorn in the side type player like Castro was.
Congrats for beating TB and going ahead in the series 6-5! I believe we are 9-4 against them. Beating the Houstons, Clevelands and Seattles is great but only if you also dominate the weak teams. To dominate the weak teams you have to be ahead of them before you pitch your all-star relief corp. To not be behind by the fifth you need good quality starters. Severino is top notch and the rest are several notches below him, thus you haven’t dominated the bad teams. Praying for average starters to get hot is definitely one approach but maybe getting a SP or two rather than Britton might have improved your record but I’m never sure that matters because it seems like thumping your chest about something is more important so thump your chest about your great bullpen and your home run hitters and keep breaking even with the teams we dominate and you might get to visit Fenway in October if you get by Seattle with your incredible home run hitters and relief pitchers. it’s possible. Like the kid in Angels in the Outfield always said, “It could happen!”
KD all those words and you say nothing..nothing. All you got is a keyboard and a grudge.
PopeMarley – Wow. Hard to respond to such a concise retort!! You are right about the keyboard, good call!! If facts constitute a grudge then I guess I have a grudge. Go check who the Yanks have beat and who the Red Sox have beat. There is no grudge here, just advice. If you can’t beat up on the bad teams you won’t get into the post season as a division winner if your closest opponent is doing it.
If your obscure comment relates to the decades of bad acquisitions by the Yankees, again, that’s not a grudge that’s a fact. In fact, other than Reggie, you haven’t acquired too many high priced players that truly paid off. Even AROD didn’t play to the level he was paid to. Sure maybe a year or two but his contract was huge and a decade long and his production didn’t match it over the life of his contract.
If your obscure comment relates to the lack of SPs, that’s not a grudge either. It’s a fact. At one time Sabathia was a stud but not now, at one time Tanaka was a stud but not now, Sonny Gray was a big name but now isn’t and German who might be the best on your staff besides Severino isn’t fully developed and might not handle the pressure of the playoffs. So where the grudge comment came from is unclear and since I pretty much repeated the points you couldn’t figure out from my first comments your statement that I said nothing was inaccurate. I simply said something you didn’t want to hear, didn’t want to agree to or simply couldn’t comprehend. Possibly you could have a friend explain the above concepts to you so you can understand that there was no grudge in them, only a baseball view of what it takes to win a division and advance to win a World Series.
Sorry for all the words, I know how much you hate reading them.
I completely understand where the Pope is coming from. You wrote extensively on subjects you know nothing about or purposely got wrong to be contrary.
Bocephus – We’re talking ancient baseball here, maybe you aren’t old enough to remember all the blunders. You may want to check your history books. For roughly 80 years one organization out spent all the competitors by a large margin. Despite this huge advantage they could only win less than 30% of the time. The question most historians ask is why? Their answer is spending too much money on players who didn’t perform to their salary. That’s not contrary that’s fact. Look up the numbers if you don’t believe me. For 80 years it was ridiculous how much more one organization spent than any others yet somehow their fans saw winning less than 30% of the time as being a great feat! Now that the playing field is level, 1 win this century. If the record books are wrong then what I wrote is wrong but you are the one that knows nothing about this topic! Do some research then come back to talk to me.
Cmon X I expected something better out of you then the dribble you wrote about the Sox losing to Baltimore, who Boston has dominated, you aren’t going to win every game even the worst team in baseball wins almost 30% of the time. What makes your comment even worse is that you must not of checked Yankees record against the Sox. I expect better retorts out of you then this.
“Against Baltimore”
Also X bringing up payroll as a Yankee fan that’s rich. Until this year the Yankees have literally been one or two in payroll for two decades. before 2015 they were number one in payroll since 1999. Yankee fans cant bring up pay roll to anybody.
Getting Britton helps this team, whether Chapman is hurt or not. How can you not see that? Added insurance in case Chapman’s knee issue causes him to miss some games sure, but he also strengthens an already strong part of their team. However, Britton is a big upgrade over Shreve or the last rotating spot (seems to be Gallegos as of late). Britton will also provide the team with a 2nd dominant left-handed reliever (other than Chapman). Shreve isn’t terrible, but he’s inconsistent and actually better vs RH batters than he is vs LH batters (due to his out pitch being that split-change he throws that goes in to lefties and away to righties). Cashman also didn’t give up a package that really hurts the system (Tate and Carroll were the #9 and #15 prospects respectively, but they were also behind a handful of pitchers in the system). Dealing from an area of strength is a smart play, and Cashman pulls that move effectively and often. Oh, and in regards to Stanton being hurt all of the time… He’s averaged 120 games a year throughout his career, and that’s including this year where he’s played 97 of a possible 99 games. Take out the season where he got hit in the face and only played 74 games, and he’s probably averaging closer to 135-145 games a year… Again, you need to calm down a tad haha
The cost for Familia was much less than this. And Familia is a much better closer than Britton at these points in their careers.
Good trade. Good to see the Yankees and O’s can make a deal for a somewhat significant player.
Brings back memories of the Andrew Miller-E-Rod swap between BOS and BAL few years back. Hopeful Britton’s sinker brings similar results to Miller’s slider.
One correction w the author of this article. He’s using old facts. The Os don’t have a strong system, but they’re not in the backend anymore. Middle of the pack.
“The Astros, Cubs, Royals, Indians and Dodgers are among the teams that have enjoyed deep playoff runs in recent seasons with stacked relief units …”
Respectfully disagree with Astros, Steve. They won due to SP, in SPITE of their RP, and that’s with all the playoff “off-days”
2017 Astros’ team was the antithesis of the 2015 Royals’ championship team which relied on an epic bullpen.
Yup. Which makes me wonder why Luhnow is taking the same approach as last offseason. Luckily, he had a 2nd chance to get Verlander and he proved to be a key acquisition. Go gate a late-inning guy. The Astros are short one.
There’s no pattern on what wins. The 2015 Royals, 2002 Angels and 1990 Reds had great pans but it was their starters who picked it up during the post season as well. The 2005 ChiSox won with a ultra dominant starting pitching while the 2001 D-Backs was dominated by two pitchers: Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling.
1975 Reds vs BoSox was considered one of the most exciting WS ever. Overall, the pitching was horrific.
Last year, I thought it was the Mangers who won and lost.
With the game changing so drastically as it relates to bullpen reliance, I think historical comparisons are less useful then they once were. Outside of possessing the freak-level nature of Houston’s rotation, a strong pen seems like a borderline necessity to postseason success.
Notice the relative ages of all the prospects the Yankees sent back. These are all guys in the mix for being exposed in the Rule V draft. This is partially a move that would have had to been decided on later in the Winter anyways. The trade off of having a deep system is that you’re going to lose guys in Rule V more often than others. So Cashman did well to get something of value right now for them, if these were prospects he would have either traded or left exposed in November anyways.
It’s important to note all three prospects will be Rule 5 Draft eligible after 2018, so Yankees cleared 40-man, ahead of the Rule-5 roster crunch. Great point!
That is a good point!
Tremendous point.
Are they still rule 5 elgible
Congrats to Yankee fans for getting Britton. It was a long shot that Boston was going to get him. I’m really surprised that Houston didn’t make a stronger effort but there bullpen has been very good. The AL East is going down to the wire it should be real interesting. I’m sure DD will counter with some sort of move maybe Zack Duke from Minnesota if available I’m sure he has something up his sleeve. Should be a great finish to the AL East.
At least the Orioles did better than the Mets with the familia trade.
And geez Baltimore – you did pretty well !
The Price is wrong Bobby! Now scurry back to your corner.
Sorry Pope…The Bob’s have it and so do the O’s now…Great return for two months from the Yankees. It appears that they were willing to do anything to keep Britton from the Astros or the Red Sox. Good Job DD!
Too much over reacting. Both Yankees & Orioles did fine on this one. Yankees needed a lefty reliever and gave up 3 minor leaguers for him. Two of those would most likely have been lost to Rule 5. It’s a win for both teams. DD had nothing to do with this.
The Hate from you guys is truly infantile.
I have no hate…just opinion
The DD I am referring to…is Dan Duquette…and I would think he would have something to do with it…even if it wasn’t his final say so.
makes sense for both- Yanks with 40 man considerations and keeping Britton from AL rivals – for O’s, for two months of Machado and Britton they add 8 guys to a barren system.
The yankees are not done. They will look for a starter now. Butif the costs are to high for cashmans likeing do you think they will try to put warren back in the rotation? Basically for 5 innings. Probably can give you better results than german.
“Butif the costs are to high for cashmans likeing do you think they will try to put warren back in the rotation?”
No. They will trade for Happ. Price dropping by the day. 5.20 ERA last 7 starts. 4.18 ERA in 20GS. 35 y.o rental.
What helps Happ are his 3.84 FIP, 3.62 xFIP, 10.69K/9. Do you think that will be enough to avoid his last scheduled start against White Sox away?
Last scheduled start before trade deadline.
I think DD is hunting in Miami for late inning relief help and he might only add a lefty only sort of pitcher like duke or avilan from the white sox. I’d like somebody like the cubs got in chavez that would also offer some rotation depth which we are running thin on now.
What a joke. Braves could have beaten this offer easily. Wouldn’t have even make a dent in our farm. Yankees and their bullpen is a bit much . Agh!
I had a feeling the Red Sox would miss on Britton with the amount of teams seemingly wanting a lefty. But send Pom to the Bullpen, he seems to be fine until guys see him a 2nd/3rd time. Then I wonder if Rodriguez injury takes long enough to heal that he doesn’t do something similar to what Price did last year for the Playoffs. Track down someone like Fiers. Add a capable RHP for the Pen and you’re fine. That Yankees bullpen is hilarious now though; 5 closers?
Meh, why waste trade capital in a piece like this? They need a starter or TWO!
Tate was a 4th overall pick who has rebuilt his stock. For a two month rental of a reliever who only regained some of his previous form in the past week? O’s did just fine.
The Yankees did just fine also
Overall I think it was a solid win-win for both teams. The Yankees couldn’t protect all 3 guys from the Rule 5 draft, and each guy was blocked. Tate is still a couple years away from MLB action. Most importantly (I think) is it keeps Britton away from Hou & Bos. It also strengthens and already deep bullpen. The Yankees can go to the pen early in games now (4th inning maybe) or at Gray’s first sign of trouble.
For Baltimore, it gives them upside pitchers for their system. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rogers and Caroll in Baltimore by September. Definitely next year if not this one.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLO:L! Yankees!
Grow up
Hurt your feelings, Snowflake?
I hate absolutely everything about this exchange.
It would be nice to know in articles like this if the prospects are or have to be put on the 40 man roster and how many options they have left.
Somehow the Mets managed to get significantly less for Familia than the O’s got for Britton. That should surprise no one.
Weird that out of nearly 300 comments I didn’t see anyone mention that Tate was part of the Yankees massive Rule 5 bubble this coming offseason. He was probably 6 or 7th in line to be added to the 40 man. Tate has talent, but just marginalized on jam packed Yankee minor league system. Shotgunning a trade prior to adding him in the offseason might have been tough for the Yanks. The way I see it, they used their assets perfectly in this trade.
Then you didn’t look very hard…
baseball365… That point has been mentioned numerous times throughout this thread, in regards to all 3 prospects that the Yankees sent to Baltimore, not just about Tate.
The down side of this trade and big problem for the Yankees is their starting pitching they have not addressed that at all with this move and now the red sox obtained Evaldi which means the red sox actually improved with their already reasonably strong starting rotation.
Severino is starting to get hit as teams seem to be catching on to his change of delivery worked on this past off season. As dominant on paper the Yankees lineup seems to be for the most part very frequently struggles to score runs like hyped up to be all which points to an early exit this coming post season with their current rooster.
-Red Sox Staff: Other than Sale everyone is hittable. Not in fear of their staff.
-7 game series: I’ll take Sev, CC and Tanaka. Tanaka tends to step it up in the playoffs. Get me the the 5th-6th inning and you can literally have Green, Britton, Champan, Robertson and Betances pitch 1 inning each and still have long guys like Gray. German and Warren as your long guys.
-Eovaldi-I’ve always loved his stuff but he’s erratic. Yanks are familiar with him. They whooped him already this year. He can no-hit you for 6 IP one game and then give up 8 runs in 2 IP the next. Not worried about his addition.
Some of you guys really amaze me with your logic.
The Yankees 25th prospect would be in most team’s top 10, but they “didn’t give up much” to get Britton, even though Tate is in their top 10…
And somehow Tate had no path to the majors, even though he is a starting pitcher in AA. Last time I checked, everyone thought starting pitching was the Yankees biggest need…
Funny stuff. Keep it up.
Starting pitching is the Yankees biggest need. Tate is a starter in AA but that doesn’t mean he will ever be a starter in the majors. The other 2 players would probably be lost in Rule 5 next year. The Yankees dealt some “prospects” for a lefty reliever so they don’t always have to rely on Shreve. Trade deadline is not here yet, so more moves could be coming…….
I don’t get this at all. Their bullpen is fine, they need starting pitching to go far in the playoffs.
…..my only guess is they did this simply to block other potential playoff competitors (Cubs, Red Sox, Astros) from getting him.
This trade is simple. The yankees needed to make a deal to shake things up. Britton offers them a lefty option other than chapman (who just had his worst outing… rust or will he see time on the DL with tendonitis?) Its insurance! They jave a ton of fuys that will be lost via rule 5… trafe them for pieces that can help and also it keeps britton away from houston, boston etc. Yes the need a starter but they are not done. You will see possibly 3 more prospects and possibly frazier/ drury go for Happ fulmer or snell type of type of pitcher. Obviously more prospects going for someone with team control as opposed to a rental…