The Brewers and Reds are maintaining “ongoing” talks about the potential for a Matt Harvey swap, tweets MLB.com’s Jon Morosi, but outside of a move to send out their lone impending free agent, is seems the Reds may have a quiet deadline. President of baseball ops Dick Williams told MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon yesterday that “other teams aren’t spinning their wheels talking about players we’re not interested in moving at this point,” and there’s even been talk of Cincinnati adding pieces controlled beyond the 2018 season in an effort to return to contending next season.
Williams, in fact, confirmed as much to C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic on Thursday (subscription required), plainly stating that the Reds have inquired on players they “see as fits for us in the next few years.” Rosecrans likens the possibility to Cincinnati’s 2009 acquisition of Scott Rolen as a sub-.500 team at the deadline (and takes an interesting look back at that scenario, talking to Williams, former GM Walt Jocketty and first baseman Joey Votto about that swap). “We think our window is opening up and we may not be able to wait until the offseason to acquire a player we like,” said Williams before going on to acknowledge that starting pitching is an area of need.
Of course, to simply call the rotation an area of need would be underselling the importance of bolstering the starting staff in Cincinnati. Reds starters have pitched to a combined 5.25 ERA that ranks among the 15 worst performances of any collective starting staff in Major League Baseball dating back to the 2010 season. The only Reds starters with an ERA under 5.00 are Matt Harvey, who will be traded within the next few days, and Tyler Mahle (4.53). The Cincinnati rotation ranks last in the Majors in FIP (5.30), 23rd in xFIP (4.57) and 26th in SIERA (4.61).
To be sure, the Reds have youth on their side in many cases, as none of Mahle, Luis Castillo or Sal Romano is even 26 years old yet (nor are Triple-A options Robert Stephenson, Cody Reed and Jose Lopez). Nonetheless, it’s still eye-opening to see a team without even one starting pitcher performing at a league-average level begin to discuss adding pieces with an eye toward contending in the very near future. And given that multiple teams in the National League Central appear well-positioned to maintain some success heading into 2019, the road back to competitive baseball in Cincinnati looks all the more difficult to navigate in the short term.
That said, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal is the latest to tweet that dealing Harvey might be the only trade the Reds end up making. Cincinnati is “inclined to keep” affordable relievers like Raisel Iglesias, David Hernandez and Jared Hughes, each of whom has been at least speculated upon as a trade candidate.
It’s not entirely clear who the Reds even have eyes on attempting to acquire. The starting pitching market, generally speaking, has a dearth of quality controllable arms available in the first place. Rays righty Chris Archer is the most prominent name with a seemingly realistic chance of being moved, especially now that the Tigers are even unlikelier to deal Michael Fulmer when he’s on the disabled list. Noah Syndergaard and Jacob deGrom, of course, have been prominently mentioned, though most reports indicate that the Mets are planning to hold onto both. Clubs have been inquiring on Orioles right-handers Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy, but there’s been little indication that the O’s are open to moving either. The rebuilding Royals, meanwhile, reportedly have “no intention” of trading southpaw Danny Duffy.
The field may expand when looking at players controlled only through the 2019 season (e.g. Zack Wheeler, Kyle Gibson), though should be wary of surrendering much in the way of future assets in exchange for a player controlled for just one more season, given the uncertainty surrounding their current starters and the strength of the teams atop their division.
Cincinnati’s front office might be the worst in MLB.
Matt Harvey for Keon Broxton
Why would anyone want Harvey?
Because he is very affordable salary wise and likely wouldn’t cost much. He’s certainly worth taking a chance on, low risk and can help a contending team.
I’d prefer someone like Gibson or Wheeler, but those two might cost a bit more prospect wise. Milwaukee hates giving up anything of value in July, so this is why they are connected to Harvey.
Gibson just raised his stock for any NL team. Beating Boston 8 IP 1 run allowed. Only three runs over 20 innings between Yankees and Boston. For any team looking at the post season… those are some valuable numbers.
They have to make a decision whether to go for it or not, can’t go halfway. The Cubs aren’t going anywhere for a while and STL and Pitt will be back. This might be the year to go all in, the east looks weak, LA and CHC is down. What is Milwaukee going to decide? Are they ok with being a wild card contender occasionally or do they want to make a move to try and win the NL? i personally hope they continue to sit on their hands, but time will tell.
Brewers made a couple of great FA adds w Cain and Yelich, but when it comes to really upping the ante they always seem to shop at the discount store. Should have gone hard during the off-season at Arrieta to compliment the Cain/Yelich moves, but they backed off. Now Matt Harvey? Really? Ugh!
So you pick the one FA SP signing that has somewhat worked out. Hindsight is 20/20. People also said they should sign Darvish/Odorizzi/Lynn and look how that worked out. They signed/traded for them because they were low risk and controllable for multiple years. You have to think differently as a small market team. You can’t just throw money away for a risky SP signing.
but if you don’t get risky, you’ll never get over the hump. they’re aren’t winning the NL getting the production they’re getting now from 2B & SS. They’re not winning the NL with a pitching staff of Anderson, Chacin, Guerra, Miley & Peralta. To bank of anything from Jimmy nelson this year would be pure insanity as well
And yet they are #5 in NL in ERA and #3 in BA against for starters and #3 in ERA and #1 in BA against as a team. Just because they don’t have the big names doesn’t mean they can win the NL with those guys taking the hill. The much bigger issue is the production from the middle infield and catchers.
September and October baseball is much different than the regular season. In a must win game, (wild Card or game 7) are you going to feel comfortable with Chase Anderson on the mound? Seriously?
With the current bullpen, yes I feel extremely confident.
Obviously you prefer to have a true Ace horse on the mound in a situation like that, but it’s not like they can’t win without them. There’s a long list of ace’s that have struggled come playoff time. And where were they going to get said ace? They got outbid on Darvish (thank God), they were not convinced on Arrieta and he’s been decent but not great. Lynn? Cobb? Odrorizzi? Those were the other “big free agent” pitchers out there and JO is the only one that may even crack the Brewers rotation right now.
good luck then. I sure wouldn’t feel comfortable with any of those 5 starting.
bring Hader in the game in the 3rd?
What are you talking about? Anderson, Chacin and Guerra have been great pitchers through about 5 innings. Have you even watched the Brewers play this year?
Well it’s not like I’m saying they don’t need one or wouldn’t love to have one, but it’s not as simple as just saying that they should have made a bigger move when there wasn’t really a move to make. I think I’m just as or more comfortable with Guerra or maybe even Chacin as with Wheeler, Harvey, Hamels, Eovaldi, etc that were made available this season.
People act like the Brewers are done with the rebuild, when they’re not. They’re being patient because they’re not yet a contender. It’s always been about 2019 and beyond
People thought the nl east nationals were a lock this year… the nl central might be wide open next season.
Lol
A rotation worse than the Os? Amazing
I know there are not too many teams that need a 2nd baseman (typical Reds bad luck) but they have to find a way to get something for Scooter before the start of next season. I love the guy but he’s going to make a ton of money (for him) next year & the Reds are loaded at that position. Could they package SG + pay his salary + international bonus money to Boston for one of their pitchers that are in the top 10 of their organization?
I don’t think the Reds have any interest in dealing Scooter. Think they view him as the long term answer.
I heard they may sign Scooter long term as they don’t know how Nick Senzel will bounce back after surgery and there isn’t a need for a 2nd basemen right now!
Why are people so enamored with Nick Senzel? The Reds should be in build mode now, not acquire and see if the dude can play mode. When 3/4 of your infield make the All-Star team, you keep that together. I’d dangle a package featuring Senzel out on the market in the off season for a legit SP. The Reds also just drafted another infielder. I don’t want to hear about the infielders playing OF either. Remember when Votto was brought up and he played OF? That made Adam Dunn look like a gold glover out there.
I see a Harvey for Wilkerson and Broxton trade only because we need the 40 man roster space this winter. Also have a question is it possible for Dubon be recalled for September 1st so he can be put on 60 day dl?
Wilkerson and Broxton seems steep for a guy that was on the scrap heap a couple months ago and just got hit hard 2 of his last 3 outings again. I realize that they don’t really have a big need for either of those guys, but still no point in giving them away just to free up room on the 40 man.
Seem steep!!? Wilkerson and Broxton are both trash. I would hope the reds would never take that deal.
Wilkerson has a 1..82 ERA, .230 BAA, and 1.34 WHIP pitching in Colorado Springs in the PCL, one of the worst possible places to try to pitch. Broxton is a 20/20 guy who plays good defense, granted with too many Ks and a low average. How much more do you really expect to get for a rental reclamation project with an ERA north of 5 and coming off an 8 run in 3 2/3 debacle?
broxton wont be in deal
I see the Brewers are going all in and putting the full court press on the Cubs with a possible Matt Harvey addition? Be still, little heart…
I wish somebody would make an animated reality cartoon based on Kato’s tweets the next couple of months.
My god, Kato is amazing on tweeter isn’t he..?
Would a contender really want Matt Harvey?
I think the reds should hold on to Harvey and try to resign him at years end. They won’t get anything significant from a trade, Harvey needs to stay in a small market and the reds can sign him fairly cheap but still might get something out of him
They can trade him and resign him as well, no reason to keep him. he’s not going to resign only because they didn’t trade him.
True and his agent is Scott Boris who will demand him test the open market!
I’m enjoying all this trade/discussion within division this year.
Mozeliak of the Cardinals, has burned all of his bridges with other GM’s and President of Baseball operations on other teams. It’s refreshing to see other teams within the division working with each other!!!!!
I think too much is being made of the Reds pitching. When the Cubs rebuilt, they had horrible pitching, so they signed veterans Jon Lester and Dan Haren to help with the breakouts of Jake Arrietta and Kyle Hendricks. When the Astros were bad, Bud Norris was their best starter. Keuchel didn’t break out until the year they signed Scott Feldman and Collin McHugh as vet starters. Before the Royals had their rebuild, they added Jeremy Guthrie and Bruce Chen to help with Danny Duffy. The Phillies added Jake Arrietta this offseason to help their young starters take the next step and it really shows in Aaron Nola.
If the Reds can get a FA veteran starter or two this offseason, they will be fine too. It dosn’t even have to be a great one, but it needs to be an older one to help guide the 25 year olds in the rotation. They have tons of offense and have been much better overall since Harvey was acquired. I am thinking additions of people like Drew Pomeranz or Gio Gonzalez or Tyson Ross would help them become the next surprise team.
I agree with that. Buy a starter or 2. Part of the reason I would want them to trade Gennett is just to have the money to put towards pitching.
Why don’t the Brewers give Jeff Suppan a call, I bet he will come out of retirement for them
Reds front office works within the financial constraints placed on them. Reds have drafted nicely and have 3 of the top prospects in baseball. The pitching obviously needs to improve. The starters are young and learning. We have great hitting. GM got Scooter for zip, Peraza, Schebler, Suarez. Not bad. Red fans be patient. Better times are coming. Oh. We still have Votto! Oh Duvall was a steal and an RBI machine.