Tigers ace Tarik Skubal has won his arbitration hearing against the team, reports ESPN’s Jeff Passan. He’ll be paid a record-shattering $32MM in his final season of arbitration eligibility and, in doing so, radically alter subsequent arbitration earnings for top-tier starting pitchers with five-plus years of big league service. The Tigers had submitted a $19MM figure, which was more in line with traditional arbitration earnings for elite starters. Skubal is represented by the Boras Corporation.
It’s a landmark decision that narrowly tops Juan Soto‘s record $31MM salary (the most ever for an arb-eligible player) and absolutely shatters David Price‘s longstanding record for arbitration-eligible pitchers. Coincidentally enough, Price was also a Tiger when he set that record, though the two sides came to terms without requiring a hearing; he settled on a $19.75MM salary for the 2015 season — a record that stood for more than a decade.
Skubal’s case was the most fascinating arbitration case in history. He and agent Scott Boras leveraged a clause in the CBA that allows players with five-plus years of major league service time to compare themselves not to prior arbitration precedents but to open-market prices for free agents. We haven’t seen a player try to break the conventional arbitration system in this way despite that clause’s presence, but Skubal’s consecutive Cy Young Award wins in the American League emboldened his camp to shoot for the moon.
It bears emphasizing that this clause pertains to players entering their final season of club control. For instance, while Paul Skenes will very likely file for a record salary for a first-time arbitration-eligible pitcher next offseason, he’s not going to submit a $30MM+ figure. He’d have no chance of winning. Rather, Skenes and his camp will likely look to move the needle forward beyond the current record for a first-time-eligible pitcher: Dallas Keuchel‘s $7.25MM salary on the heels of his own AL Cy Young win back in the 2015-16 offseason.
Many onlookers marvel at the Tigers offering what appears to be a (relatively) low $19MM salary for Skubal’s final season. There’s a sentiment among fans that Detroit should have submitted a figure in the mid-20s, but that’s not how teams approach arbitration. Clubs generally fight tooth and nail to keep arb prices down — hence hearings over gaps of $200K or so every winter — because arbitration has historically been based entirely on past comparables within the same service class as the player in question. It’s not realistic to think any team would have willingly offered to move the needle for a service class forward by some $5-6MM.
The Tigers’ $19MM submission for Skubal already represented a raise of 87% over Skubal’s $10.15MM salary in 2025. On a percentage basis, that’s actually more than double the raise Price received; he’d earned $14MM in 2014 before a $5.75MM (41%) raise heading into 2015. Had Detroit offered Skubal a salary of $25MM, for instance, that would’ve represented a mammoth 146% raise over the prior year’s salary. With the benefit of hindsight, it’s easy to say that perhaps they should have done so, but that hasn’t been the modus operandi of any team in arbitration at any point over the years.
Similarly, it hasn’t been the M.O. for any player or the union to try to leverage that until-now obscure CBA clause in an effort to entirely upend the arbitration system as we know it. Doing so represented a risk for Skubal and Boras; the two could surely have taken a more conservative approach, filing for a $21-22MM salary that looked to more incrementally advance the market for stars (pitchers, specifically) in arbitration. Instead, they gambled on Skubal’s historic pair of seasons and were rewarded with a historic ruling. Skubal’s $32MM victory will now be fair game to be cited as a potential comp for stars at any point moving forward — at least those with “special accomplishments,” as laid out in the CBA.
MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes points out that given that context, this case boiled down as much to the league versus the union as it did the Tigers versus Boras. Passan reports that Skubal’s camp went so far as to enlist MLBPA deputy director Bruce Meyer, which speaks to the long-term importance of this specific case. (It’s standard for the MLBPA to aid agencies in preparing for and arguing arbitration cases, though not necessarily with one of the union’s top executives.) Skubal’s case was so unique and his accomplishments so “special” (again, using CBA terminology) that he compared himself to starting pitchers who topped $40MM salaries in free agency, Passan adds.
Turning to the more immediate future, the arbiters’ ruling has major payroll implications for Detroit. The Tigers agreed to a three-year, $115MM contract with Framber Valdez just last night and will now pay Skubal $13MM more than they would have if the panel had ruled in their favor. In a matter of 24 hours, their payroll went from a plausible $164MM or to something in the range of $215MM, depending on how Valdez’s contract breaks down on an annual basis and how much deferred money the contract contains — all of which is yet unclear.
One would imagine that had the Tigers won yesterday’s hearing, there might have been some extra wiggle room in the payroll for further late additions to the roster. Perhaps that’s still the case, but the extra $13MM, coupled with the massive Valdez deal, thrusts Detroit into franchise-record payroll territory and could mean the heavy lifting is largely finished.
Fans from other clubs will surely hope that Skubal’s arbitration win opens the door for a potential trade. That’s overwhelmingly unlikely to be the case. Tigers brass has declined to wholly declare Skubal off limits at any point this winter but has done so more as a matter of principle than due to an actual willingness to move him. President of baseball operations Scott Harris has declined to speak in absolutes regarding Skubal but has also done so with regard to virtually all other roster matters when asked.
That “never say never” mentality has led to plenty of wishcasting from fans who’d love to see Skubal in their club’s jersey, just as it’s led to hopeful inquiries from rival teams throughout the league. To this point, there’s no indication that a Skubal trade was ever seriously considered; Harris & Co. have seemingly given other clubs the chance to present a comical offer that they simply can’t refuse, but no team has done so.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported this morning that the Tigers, after adding Valdez, had no intent to trade Skubal even if he won his case. The addition of Valdez gives Detroit an arguably overqualified “No. 2” starter to pair with Skubal atop a rotation that now makes them the unequivocal favorites in a perennially weak American League Central.
Valdez’s relatively short-term deal also ensures that Detroit will have a high-end starter in place for the 2027 season in the event that Skubal departs as a free agent. If the Tigers are able to re-sign him on the open market, they’ll return that pairing for at least the ’27 season, after which Valdez could opt out — thus dropping the Tigers back down to “only” one immense, top-of-the-market salary for a member of their rotation.
Skubal and his camp are surely celebrating today, as is the Players Association at large. Players are now 3-0 over teams in arbitration hearings this year, and Skubal’s landmark win will have ramifications for future arb-eligible players for literal decades to come — assuming the system, as it currently exists, remains in place that long. The Tigers, even though they were handed a $13MM defeat, have cause to celebrate as well. Their rotation — which also includes Reese Olson and another pair of impending free agents, Jack Flaherty and Casey Mize — should be among the most formidable in the sport.
As for the rest of the American League Central — and owners around the game who now can look forward to heightened arb salaries for players with five-plus years of service — things may not be so rosy.


Hot Damn!
The article photo is quite appropriate…
Ignore my prior posts as I misunderstood the rule that applied herein. I expect it to be contested during the upcoming CBA negotiations but regardless the cat is out of the bag. This will have another effect in that players signing contracts covering their arb years will get substantially more that final year. Even not superstars. As the saying goes, high tide raises all boats.
dewey – Yes you are 100% correct, this will have major ramifications.
Besides what you already pointed out about pre-arb extensions, it will cause teams to trade their star players years before they become eligible for free agency.
No need to ignore my previous posts. I guessed it flat out wrong and stand corrected. I figured maybe a 25% chance for him to win because the system is fixed.
This is amazing for Skubal and players in general. Literally a landslide victory! Boras actually did it.
MLBPA deputy executive director Bruce Meyer represented him in the hearings not Boras per an ESPN article
Heck, anyone could have represented him… look at his stats.
It’s a rising tide lifts all boats:)
Bob – If I was representing the Tigers in the hearing, the first thing I would do is point out he gave up 5 earned runs in 6 innings against the Red Sox ….. that had to be a low point in his season!
Pal – They should pay Skubal in Bitcoin ;O)
For all of Boras’ successes, he royally screwed up when he advised Gallen to turn down Arizona’s qualifying offer and to test free agency. When he does officially sign with a team, it’s looking like it will be significantly less the guaranteed money he left on the table.
I had thought that if he lost, they’d trade him because he’d never re-sign due to the loss. But now I’m thinking he’ll never re-sign because he won..
Boras just seems to keep whiffing with Arizona. He did the Jordan Montgomery deal and both the player and team hated it.
@troutahni
To play a bit of devils advocate here, and by no means am I defending boras but who’s to say it was gallen that told boras I don’t want the qo. We all here are pretty quick to blame boras but we often look pass the fact the player has a lot of say too.
brodie – Typically you pay an agent in large part to take his advice. If you’re not going to take his advice, what’s the point of paying to ignore an agent’s advice?
I think it’s highly likely Boras advised him to reject the QO.
@fever
Your right advice is part of it, but another big part is the writing of the contract and all the legal nuances that go into it. Most players don’t really understand contracts and the laws around them.
brodie – Yes of course agents handle that stuff too ….. but that could be done by an attorney.
It’s like selling a house. If it’s a sellers market, why pay a 6% commission to a real estate agent when you can hire a lawyer to take care of the paperwork at a much lower cost.
@Trout What makes you believe it looks like he ll make considerably less? Id say hes gonna make $20M+ on a one yr deal with a player option(s). Or less likely a bit longer of a deal and lower AAV.
The hold up Id say is most likely trying to get a longterm deal. Teams have shown to be more than willing to overpay to minimize length of commitment the past few seasons.
@fever
Another good point, just my point is as whole on this site (I’m also guilty of this as well) is we blame the agent and a lot of that is you only hear the players side from the agent so everyone assumes the agent calls the shots. When tbh we don’t know who is really calling the shots and I could be a bunch of things all at once.
Players pay an agent to do more than give advice. Primarily they pay them to negotiate a deal. The agents most certainly advise them on the likelihood of outcomes and what they view as best. By no means does it mean that they hang on to their every word as gospel.
Id assume most players when hitting free agency yearn for the security of a multi yr deal. They gain even more financial security and they gain look forward to having some structure for a longer period of time. Im sure they that with the allure of this they ll assume some risk to test the market for what they are after. At the end of the day most of these athletes are true competitors, that helped them get to where they are to be weighing such an option. Fever does not want to see this tho, he is like a scorned lover as it pertains to Boras. He also might be the least able to put biased aside of anyone who comments on here, he’ll ignore fact and reality and continuously shift the truth to push his biased narratives.
brodie – I totally agree, the player ultimately makes the final decisions. It’s up to each individual player as to how much they want to be involved in contractual matters.
In the past I’ve shown a quote from JDM answering a contract question with “that’s up to Scott”, so obviously he leaves a lot more decisionmaking to Boras …. but I agree not all players are like that.
Better yet
Pay him in paper silver
Brodie and Fever – what’s going on here. After spending the last week monitoring the Hoops Trade Rumors site I didn’t think it was possible for two people to have a civil discussion like this. Thanks for the posts.
Fever, yep.
Whatever. lol.
flagg – Brodie is a great poster, it’s an honor to talk baseball with him.
Brodie, I once had a career as an actuary, for a while I was performing annual rate reviews for personal and commercial lines of business for a company that was over 150 years old. They often ignored my indications but never made any other adjustments. Their demise was utterly predictable. Lots of self important people and even humble people often ignore advice and even reality to either not act at all or to stay the course. The voices of truth are usually the last ones to be heard and that’s just the way it is. I’ve moved on and that company is gone.
Tigers… It’s one thing to sign a guy to a one year ‘prove it’ deal with an opt out when there’s no draft compensation. I think that’s what’s holding Gallen up right now. No one’s going for the longer deal and no one wants to give up a draft pick for potentially just one year.
@fever
I appreciate it, I try I come here for good baseball discussion, if I wanted mudslinging I’d just go to x lol
@whyhayzee
I know the feeling being a carpenter, it’s even worse when your doing it on the side getting customers that want something done this way when you can’t or cut corners because they saw it on the net, but let’s not listen to guy that knows what he’s doing
Gallen turned down a QO. He will get significantly more than $22 million over 2-3 years.
Players sign contracts, not agents.If the player hates it, they just don’t sign.
brodie, the player makes the decision. They are the boss who hired the agent. The agent advises.
Unless they’re sinking.
That had to be the result they were expecting since they shelled out all that money last night.
Congrats tiger fans ! Cant claim ownership won’t spend now lol.
And no deadline trade ! Tigers are goin for a title this season
Boras wins again. I didn’t realize this was being judged against open-market prices, not prior arbitration awards. Did the Tigers ever try to settle? It would have been worth the effort, even if he got $28MM. It wouldn’t shock me if Boras wouldn’t allow a settlement confident he would win. Also, it may not be a surprise that the Tigers waited until after the arbitration hearing to officially sign Valdez.
Im telling uou guys, Boras was not allowing any negotiation. He knew he could use those arguments so he figured he had a good case to win. Also, win or lose, he was trying to reset the market. He chose that 32M for a specific reason and so there was no negotiating allowed.
As I predicted. I got a lot of guff when I said this was almost a certainty to happen. Well, there you have it. This will set a precedent for other players with both exceptional production and 5 years of service time.
Now the question is will he be traded in the next week or two to maximize value or at the trading deadline?
I saw it as given also. I thought the 32 was too high in arbitration under team control but 16 was so low the Tigers cost themselves a good chunk of money trying to lowball him. If they come in maybe 25-27 million I think that would have gotten it done but they’d lost negotiating leverage to avoid arbitration with that ridiculous bid. I don’t think he’ll be dealt though. The Tigers need Subal as much as anyone does
Tigers have 2 big eggs in the basket. Would love for them to stomp the AL.
Hey Tigers you’re busted!
I was wrong. He won. Didn’t know they were going to use free agent contracts for 5th year guys as precedents, though.
Show me the money!
It means… Give me my money!!
What was the Tiger FO thinking. On top of it being a nightmare PR move to only offer $19M was insanity.
19 was a good comp as price was better prior to that prior comp record. It was logical for detriot to go almost up to the prior comp max. That said pitchers have lagged behind hitters for some reason… no longer
What will MLB do when people stop going to games?
There are 30k seats in most stadiums. That’s 2.5 million tickets sold in 82 home games. Plus TV rights, advertising, etc a team should easily afford a 250M roster and be profitable. If these “poor” owners actually tried to put a good team on the field, it would be very profitable.
K economy and distribution of wealth. The wealthy ( / ) continue to make and spend money. Everyone else ( \ ) has less money to spend. Middle class sit right in the middle. We can afford to attend a few games a year but we are getting pushed to watching on TV mire and more. Which – in some markets – is possibly more profitable for teams.
Stadiums are half full for most teams unless in penalty race. Stadiums have expenses. People working for the team need to be paid, maintenance,electric, etc. TV rights for bottom 20 teams not as much as in past or compared to half of yanks/dodgers… minors aren’t self sufficient. Scouting costs money and is now world wide. Spread out the TV revenue to all teams evenly and see the impact.
I just hope enough people do.
Like after the last truly significant work stoppage?
People will always go to games.
Hank – Not during a pandemic.
More people went to games last year than the year before. Attendance in 2022 was more than 2021.
2023 was more than 2022.
2024 was more than 2023.
2025 was more than 2024.
Interest is growing, not falling.
Facts are overrated
Now we will find out if the Valdez signing was just insurance if they had to trade Skubal.
It was and it wasn’t. If Skubal lost the hearing you get both of them for a year. Now if they have to trade him they have insurance. It’s unfortunate. The Dodgers and Mets have ballooned contract costs so much even the Tigers can’t afford to keep their guys. It’s not like the Tigers haven’t shown they will spend. It’s kind of like calling a guy who makes $1 million a year cheap because he can’t afford to buy a $50 million mansion.
Skubal isn’t going anywhere. Not during the 2026 season.
@Thon
They would be stupid not to. They could get back pieces that could help them immediately.
This.
Why in the hell would the Tigers not trade him. Losing him to free agency for just a comp pick seems stupid to me.
It would signal that they’re not serious about winning in 2026. They’re not getting back anything that would replace Skubal in 2026. Maybe a couple of decent MLB players and a few lottery tickets.
They’ll lose him for nothing then? A qualifying offer will be less than what he earns. The more pressing question is what teams can actually afford him, insure him and commit to him. He’ll get a lot of money but wont have many teams to go to next year.
KnicksFan What immediate help do they really need? Assuming McGonigle is MLB ready and they don’t want to block him, and they don’t want to block Clark. Their OF is largely set between Greene, Meadows, Carp & Perez. Tork, Torres, Dingler set. Only questions are SS & 3B, with Keith likely to get time at 3B, McGonigle getting SS or 3B at some point this coming season, Baez at SS, and McKinstry spot starting. Pitching rotation is stacked, and bullpen is solid. There’s no more room. Skubal makes no sense to trade now, gotta play for a WS.
They could trade him now to the Dodgers and get two of their top 5 prospects as well as last years World Series MVP Yamamoto, and an every day position player easily
Out – Because the Tigers want one more chance to win a championship before Skubal leaves? They now have one of the best 1-2 SP combo’s in MLB, I would totally respect them for GFIN.
Skubal can help them immediately! Go for it, Detroit!
Detroit v. Seattle in the ALDS again, winner gets a Border War ALCS. LFG!!!!
As already said, how could they NOT trade him? Do they really care about winning ONE year–no guarantee–vs. getting back a boatload of usable players for this year and beyond. They don’t exactly have a MLB championship caliber lineup, no offense.
They won’t lose him “for nothing” if he gives them another year as an Ace!
But to end up where though? He’s just one guy. He’s not winning a championship on his own. Tigers needed a Bregman or Suarez at 3b to even begin to look like something more offensively. They spent that money on Valdez instead which ok, but still that lineup scares no one.
exactly
Lmao!!! You are not getting 2 top 5 players PLUS Yamamoto for a 1 yr rental player with 2-TJS surgeries cause Skubal will NOT be signing an extension unless it’s mind boggling $$$ that will need to be $50 million avv over 8/9 yrs and Non-deferred money something even Dodgers won’t entertain! Of course Dodgers may try a 4-5 yr high avv deal in $55-60 million range but even that’s a stretch at this point. If Dodgers end up with Skubal 2027 season will be wiped out as that will be the final straw until a salary cap prevails.
You just have to make the playoffs to have a reasonable chance to win the World Series, and keeping Skubal gives them significantly better odds to both make the playoffs (and possibly get a first-round bye) and then to do well in the playoffs even against other expected playoff teams.
Even if they don’t win it all, the better they do in the playoffs, the more extra revenue the team gets.
They went 15 innings in a decisive ALDS game last year. The Central will be weak again.
They have prospects. They can add a bat in July.
@Lanidrac, you aren’t wrong, make the playoffs and it’s a crapshoot, however the thing that needed addressing was the lineup. Signing Framber, who isn’t as good as Skubal but is a good enough pitcher, helps ease trading Skubal who you could right now probably get some much needed help.
You could probably land a heck of a package from either the Mets or Dodgers. I’ve seen LA rumors of a The Dodgers’ package included their No. 2 prospect, Zyhir Hope, and No. 6 prospect Jackson Ferris, along with Roki Sasaki. And from the Mets I’ve read: RHP Clay Holmes, OF Carson Benge (MLB No. 16), and RHP Jonah Tong (MLB No. 48).
I don’t think the Mets would trade Benge tbh, but I would say add Baty (plus another minor leaguer) to the Mets package to fill 3b and you’d still have a gangbusters deal.
Sal – They were 5th in the league in runs last year, not that bad.
They are in a weak division, once they get into the playoffs their chances should be really good with two of their four SP’s among the best.
Fev,
No doubt they can win that division, but as much as the playoffs are a crapshoot there’s a ton that would have to go right for them to get far. Not saying they can’t, but I’d have the odds of them winning far below other contenders.
So to me, that’s why I’d deal Skubal now before you lose him for nothing. But hey we can all revisit that next offseason if that’s what Tigers fans want.
But if they trade Skubal (who probably won’t return as much as you think for one year at $32M), those prospects will only be capable of potentially helping some team to a playoff crapshoot. And none of them will be as good or impactful in that crapshoot as Tarik Skubal.
@bigj what are you smoking?
True, but a good counter point is that most prospects don’t pan out. So you go with the proven commodity.
Salzilla You have a pessimistic point of view, and I think the wrong way to look at this situation. In this game, when you’ve got a competitive team, you’ve got to go for it. It’s so impossibly hard to win a WS. There are no guarantees in the game itself. You can’t bank on prospects coming through. The idea that they’d get someone great as the return from trading Skubal is pure hypothetical. Many 1st round draft picks never make the majors. Many who do fail and are quickly out of baseball. It’s not a matter of money, it’s not a matter of losing trade value, it’s having the best pitcher in the league and trying to win a WS this season. And then they let him walk bc that’s just how it will be, but let’s live in the now, we have Skubal all season.
You got that right, Ghost. Detroit boxed themselves in financially after trying to call Boras/Skubal’s bluff. Then the blink:a Valdez oil spill knee- jerker. All the eggs are now situated in one starting rotation basket.
Holding on to him ensures that people will attend more games, than if they trade him, even for a big name, the fans would be disappointed, not to mention if he is starting at home, he is far more likely for them to make money selling seats those nights. They aren’t ‘losing him for nothing.’ Same with the Angels with ohtani. They knew he was leaving but he sold so many tickets they would likely have lost mad profits if they had traded him. even for a half season worth of home games would have cost them millions.
@Salzilla Fair enough, but since they have already signed Framber, trading Skubal for offense at this point is not going to make them an overall better team this year.
Apparently the Tigers have not been offered a package by a team willing to risk giving up a king’s ransom for one year of Skubal before he sells to the highest bidder. Players in the last year of a contract rarely draw overwhelming trade packages anymore.
Sal – Sure, maybe Skubal will bring back a package similar to Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee (remember for who?).
Or maybe he will bring back a package of Marty Janzen, Mike Gordon and Jason Jarvis (that one you should remember!).
The Tigers going far in the postseason this year is a better bet than the players he would bring back in return panning out.
Would expect a deal around the deadline if not in contention.
Big,
Yes and the Dodgers could tell Kershaw to unretire because he’s going to Detroit as well.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for sarcasm.
Teams don’t always trade their superstar free-agents-to-be. Ohtani stayed put in Anaheim.
Yamamoto isn’t going anywhere.
You think Skuball is worth Yamamoto, a position player and two top prospects ? You are delusional.
Yamamoto is every bit as good as Skubal, if not better.
Dodgers aren’t trading Yamamoto in a package for Skubal.
I know of a team…
This is why you are not a General Manager. No one gets that return on a 1 year rental @ 30 mil. Regardless of the player.
Knicks – Think this through ….
What type of team would be most interested in a 1-year rental of Skubal?
Contenders, teams that are also trying to win now.
Not many, if any, contenders have excess major league talent hanging around that is good enough for Skubal.
So the question is, do the Tigers try to GFIN without Skubal?
If no, then they will accept prospects in return for Skubal.
If yes, then good luck finding a trade partner that will be willing to create holes in their roster to acquire Skubal.
Before spring training?
Steve, which post is your “This.” in response to?
That’s a weakness of the comments section – the inability to decipher who is replying to whom without putting an @Person X to start the comment. That’s definitely an opportunity for improvement.
Nurse, they will gain the opportunity to win extra games in the 2026 season by keeping Skubal. If it looks like they’re not winning enough to make the playoffs by the trade deadline they will still get better than a QO pick in return
Outfield,
Not trying to win the World Series when you have the best pitcher in baseball on your roster seems far more stupid to me. That’s the goal, right?
bigj,
You think the Dodgers would trade Yamamoto plus all that other stuff for a year of Skubal when they can just sign him next off-season and give up just the QO draft pick? That’s absurd.
I will not be surprised if Keith’s stats are better than Bregman’s this year. Bregman would have been a waste of money. Their offense last year was ranked better than most people think. They really could have used another middle of the order bat or someone who gets on base and limits strikeouts…McGonigle should help fill the second role and Clark later in the year as well. Its a calculated gamble to rely on rookies but experienced bats can go south on you too..look at Santander last year.
Mets are not trading Benge and Tong for one year of a now $70m Skubal for one season, even if Holmes slightly offsets Skubal.
Not worth gutting the farm.
People forget Colt is only 24 years old. That’s pretty darn young still, and he’s improved each season. His history is to struggle a bit at first, then adjust. I see no reason that will stop.
I thought his defense improved at 3B quite a bit last year and was feeling better about him over there. He still has some work on going back for fly balls and side to side, but coming in on the ball, he looked pretty good, and that’s probably the most difficult play at the position.
His offense should continue to improve. I don’t have concerns for power development. The dude is a hoss. That power will come. He seems to be made for 3B.
$70m?
LeFloee,
What/who is your “$70m?” comment in reference to?
Good question. I’m not sure why it didn’t go below the person’s comment, which seemed to suggest an acquiring team was going to have to pay Skubal $70m next year.
32 million, plus CBT penalty of 110% (35.2m), or 67.2m for the year.
LeFlore,
(Spelled that correctly this time. Thanks, autocorrect, for your weirdness.)
Steve Adams commented “This.” in response to who knows what elsewhere in this article. The comments section layout could use some improvement.
Jdaw,
Considering what teams are paying for Tucker, Bichette, etc, $67.2M for Skubal would be a relative bargain.
Plus, Detroit won’t trade him until late July if at all, so the acquiring team would only be paying him for about 35% of the season.
Maybe, but the loss of Benge, Tong, some other piece costs “money” as well.
One year of Skubal is not worth that. Peralta was actually the better value ($20m and only two blue chips). Not quite as good but still solid.
Just my opinion.
gbs – YES!!! I was thinking the exact same thing, I had no idea who Steve was agreeing with.
I’ve been saying for decades they should provide an AutoQuote function, one click showing at least the beginning of the comment which is being replied to. It would make following along so much easier.
I guess the nice thing about the current setup, often when people insult me I don’t know it’s me they are insulting. LOL
OIC, Jdawginsc. Wow, didn’t realize the hit would be that much. Thanks.
FPG,
If I’m going to insult you, I’ll be sure to address you directly. 😉
I would rather have Skubal for one season and get the lottery ticket comp pick over one great and one good lottery ticket prospect. I know what I am getting with Skubal and he gives us the best chance to win the AL Central. Look what the Tigers received for Verlander (two top prospects that didn’t pan out… never even played in the majors, plus Jake Rogers .200 career hitting catcher). Most prospects never pan out. PLEASE keep Skubal!
i remember hearing the same thing about Betts.
Reports indicate Detroit wanted their top 5 prospects. That would be gutting the farm! Tong and Benge are prospects. Prospects have proved absolutely nothing and are routinely overvalued. A couple years ago fans would have made the same comments about Romo and Iriarte who just went unclaimed because they didn’t develop. If you could send Tong, Benge and Holmes out right now for Skubal and make your team the World Series favorite ahead of the Dodgers you wouldn’t do it? Because that’s what getting Skubal means for the Mets this year. If I’m Detroit no way I take that deal anyway, bevause after signing Valdez they have just as good a chance as the Mets to win it all..
The Tigers only trade him if they’re out of the AL Central race. I can’t believe they will be.
They make the playoffs with Skubal and Valdez 1-2. They can make the WS if they are just average at hitting.
How is the Dodgers and Mets faults? They haven’t ballooned anything. Major League Baseball is a multi Billion dollar industry. The top player in free agency almost always gets the highest AAV in the game, no matter who signs them. The Giants offered Shohei the same deal that the Dodgers did. Would you have been complaining about the Giants ballooning contracts if he signed the deal in SF instead?
@Derail76 it’s their faults for increasing payroll spending beyond what most teams can afford. I’ll put it in perspective. Last year, the Dodgers luxury tax fee alone was more than what the Brewers team payroll was. Teams cannot compete against $700 million dollar contracts and huge deferrals and signing bonuses. Even if the Tigers sold out every game and maximized their tv revenue they could possibly get they can’t outbid for Skubal without gutting their team.
To put it simply, there is a difference between trying to buy a house and you are competing with other home buyers vs competing with Black Rock. Little Caesars can’t outspend the Guggenheim Group.
And the Brewers had the best record in the National League.. what is your point? Yes.. they can in fact compete, and they did. The Dodgers almost go beat in the World Series by a vastly inferior Blue Jays team. Five MLB teams have never won a Championship. Four of them made the playoffs last year. Four of the teams that made the playoffs last year were also CBT collectors, in the lower 1/3 of MLB salaries. So stop with the crying about how the lower spending teams can’t compete. And also realize that these same bottom feeding teams can’t survive without the CBT money that teams like the Mets, Dodgers and Yankees fund.
derail – Vastly inferior Jays team? If Springer and/or Bichette had been healthy, Dodgers lose.
Okay I have to ask, which are the four teams that made the playoffs last year but have never won a WS?
I’ll help you by giving 3 of them ….. Brewers, Mariners, Padres
You name the 4th one ;O)
I stand corrected.. I miscounted the Rays. Still, 3 or the 5 points to parity, and anything can happen in a short series.
But I stand by what I said about the Jays being the inferior team. I don’t want to get into the what ifs though. That was an incredible World Series, and you’re right that the Jays were literally inches away from taking it.
Guardians……
OMG the Giants almost ruined baseball!
Of the top 10 non-Ohtani pitcher AAVs for 2026 only two are Dodgers. #4 and #10. You have to get to a 4-way tie for #15 to find a Met, which is the only Met in the top 40.
The Tiger’s ownership is the 5th richest, yet they’re 12th in payroll per revenue. They can afford to pay Skubal no problem.
Exactly! They can afford at least one star player. We paid Cabrera, Fielder, Martinez, Ordonez, Verlander, Scherzer and Price big money not long ago. Torres, Flaherty and Baez’ money will be off the books soon. Plus we have a lot of great prospects ready to head to the majors.
The Tiger’s revenue is in the bottom half of baseball. They are a revenue sharing receiving team.
The owners net worth is not the determining factor in the team’s payroll.
And they can now lose flighty and Mize next year and not be totally without anyone in rotation
Exactly
If Tigers are out of the race, they will trade Skubal July 31, but not before. This is a great opportunity for them to go all in.
Ok then!
Never understood why the Tigers came in so low.
It was a record offer by a team for a pitcher. It wasn’t low. Just not high enough, apparently.
David Price got 19.75 11 years ago. Seems like they could have at least offered to beat that.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. Call it $22M, maybe $25M. I’ll bet the Tigers would’ve won at that price point. But good for TS – with back to back Cy Youngs, he definitely earned it!
And then they traded him to the Blue Jays. Tigers were a last place tean so they got something for him before he was likely gonna walk anyways.
They supposedly offered 19.8M. Skubal’s camp submitted 32M and the Tigers dropped their offer to 19M. Had the Tigers offered 25M, they probably would have won.
@brush
I read an article and Naismith today’s value of $19.75 mil, what Price won, would’ve been about $24 mil. That would’ve been a lot more reasonable for the arbiter to consider.
Price was a Super 2 player which means he had an extra year of arbitration so not exactly apples to apples. But I understand the sentiment
@mark
When it comes to arb. It isn’t always just total value but more or so total raise. Yes price stood at 19.75 but that’s coming off of 5 mill raise. Skubal winning this gives him a 22 mill raise, which is more than double the record set by Degrom after his historical season. I must admit I’m very surprised he won but good for him. This definitely changes the game completely cause now every player is going to compare to him
Price’s $19.75 million was about a 50% jump in salary. The Tigers offered Skubal almost a 100% jump. Skubal wanted over a 300% jump.
@stymee
It wasn’t a third at all and if you consider what the value of money was 10 years vs today, it was an insult.
Not nearly enough.
Their 19 million offer was made right after tiving Alex Cobb 15. It was very poorly handled. Id guess they deal him now. Watch Pittburgh unload some prospects for one year of him now lol
Well in the Tigers defense this was precedence setting.
precedence would have been offering more than the record price, that David Price got in 2015 19.75M$
Not sure that anyone in this reply thread read the article above. Price was offered a 41% increase in salary. Skubal was offered a 87% salary increase. There it is, that’s the math behind Detroit’s offer. Anything more than that would have been detrimental to ownership in future arb cases.
Reading the details seems to be too difficult for some commenters on here.
Scream – their raise logic might be logical. But what was the logic in giving a #5 starter in Alex Cobb 15M right before submitting Skubals.
Dock – all I know is what I read in the article above. I don’t give much thought to the Tigers payroll. I’m more preoccupied with the Padres payroll and how arbitration hearings could affect SD’s roster in the future
Not an apples to apples comparison for several reasons.
#1 is that Price was a Super 2 so while he still only had 5 years of service time, it was his 4th time through arbitration. Look up the historic top of the market increases in salary for 3rd time arbitration eligible players and you will notice that 87% is at the low end of the scale. From the short sample size of 10 years I looked through, for 4th year eligible players its close to 50%. Players typically don’t get as much of a percentage of raise that 4th time through
#2 is that Price was not remotely close to Skubal’s level of performance. Price was coming off a season with a 3.26 ERA/115 ERA+ and a 2 year stretch with a 3.29 ERA/115 ERA+ while Skubal was coming off back to back Cy Young winning seasons with a league leading ERA and ERA+ in both. 2.21 ERA/187 ERA+ in 2025 and 2.39 ERA/174 ERA+ in 2024 and 2.30 ERA/180 ERA+ over those seasons combined. You can go deeper into the stats adding things like FIP and K% and whatever you like but they just drive home the fact that Skubal was heads and shoulders better than Price.
if they win the hearing and then stink by the deadline, they can probably get an even bigger haul with the friendlier contract, regardless they probably get a haul anyway
not sure it would have mattered that much at the deadline
If you read the article it refers to the reason. This case broke the typical standard of comparing arb eligible players to past arb eligible players. The previous record was David Price at $19 million and change. That’s how they got the number.
@Black
It didn’t really break the record as much as it took in consideration the value of money from 2016 vs today.
It did break the record in terms of the % of the raise. Detroit’s offer to Skubal was nearly double his previous salary. Price won an award that wasn’t even a 50% raise.
Their offer would have broken the record for a 3rd year arb pitcher. Price got his big number in his 4th arb year
@KnicksFan it’s gonna sound insane, but according to the rules of the CBA it doesn’t calculate inflation. They are only supposed to care about the number.
Wow. Didn’t see that coming
I did.
Congratulations Skubal! Looking forward to seeing him join the Dodgers.
*barf*
Friedman & Gomes are putting together an offer right now….
I’m trying to figure out what the heck your name means. The only thing I came up with is that it’s the alter ego of Nacho Libre. Where his mask is a head of cabbage.
Snap into a Slim Jim.
Stryper Loves Jesus
Skubal owes Framber a dinner for sure
Breaking new: Tarik Skubal traded days after winning historic arb case!
Absolutely insane for the tigers to file below Prices 19.75MM. Should have came in in like the low-mid 20’s, like 24 and they probably win.
But regardless, stoked for Skubal. He deserves every cent.
Can’t understand how they thought 19 was a winner for a 2 time Cy Young award winner. 24-26 was probably a winner for Detroit but they were greedy and stupid.
That’s not how arbitration works. No team was going to offer a 146% raise over his prior year’s salary and a new arb record (for a starter) by a margin of 30-some percent.
If the arb panel had ruled in favor of the team, we could sit here and say the exact same thing. “Skubal got greedy. He should’ve filed at like $26MM. He might have won”
This is an extreme example of one player trying to break a decades-old system that is based entirely on precedent. He won. Good for him.
Maybe the Tigers could’ve submitted $19.5MM or $19.9MM or whatever, but this wasn’t a low-ball. It was a team operating within the normal confines of arbitration and a player taking a pretty big gamble that the panel would be willing to throw a grenade into the whole process.
He won. Good for Skubal, but to suggest the Tigers acted illogically is to ignore any and all prior precedent in arbitration.
What you say is true enough. That said, there are many teams that rarely and sometime never get to the point of going to an actual arbitration hearing. I’m guessing that if Tarik Skubal was in the same situation and on a club like the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets or Cubs, the parties would have compromised somewhere in the middle and a avoided a hearing in the first place.
Settling on a one-year deal still inherently can be used as a comp for future arbitration cases.
The number to settle, conventionally speaking, would’ve been somewhere around $20-22MM. By filing at $32MM, Skubal made pretty clear he had no interest in that.
This was almost certainly going to a hearing, regardless of which team employed him.
Exactly. Boras and Skubal saw that this was a once in a lifetime opportunity to break the system and took the chance. They had no intention of settling.
If the record is $19.75 from 10 years ago, and we’re talking about an equal pitcher now, then I don’t see how the Tigers could expect to win if their number was below Skubal.
I suppose the earlier negotiations may have given them hope that Skubal would also overreach, but it always seemed illogical that Skubal now would get less than Price.
*number was below Price.
I still don’t concur. Even if Tarik Skubal and Scott Boras maintained their $32MM arbitration figure throughout, the teams that I mentioned and perhaps others would have countered with a higher number than what the Tigers offered as their final number. I then maintain a compromise would have still been reached before it came to an actual hearing.
In my mind there was zero chance of the Tigers winning that hearing. Had they or any other team at least offered $20-$22MM they might have had a puncher’s chance at a win. I also believe that the teams I mentioned could have offered a bit more and eventually compromised at a salary in the $26-27MM range.
Did you create an account just to be a jerk to one of the people providing content on a site you consume? Pretty creepy.
Dontrelle Willis’ Arb1 record for a pitcher stood for more than a decade and has still only been beaten (I believe, off the top of my head) three times in what’s now more than 20 years. Price’s record was more than a decade old.
Of course not. Arbitration is archaic and silly. He should be worth what the market will pay him. But that’s not the system that’s in place. Good on him for throwing a wrench into the whole thing, honestly.
Thanks for reading!!!
wrong –
When there is nothing entertaining about your contributions, even rescinding a mute doesn’t last more than a day or two.
I will grant that it was a wild choice for the arbitrator. And I thought Skubal would win by default. $32 sounds high, but siding against the back-to-back Cy Young winner for below a decade-plus precedent?
When you quote hallucinations in your own mind, you destroy the minimal credibility you bring to the conversation. Where does Steve compare the two? All he did was mention how long the “precedent” for an Arb1 award has been exceeded
Thanks Steve. Common sense too often is put in the back seat.
I’m a big fan of Steve, Tim and the other writers on MLBTR. It’s the reason I signed on to be a TR when they first began their Front Office perk. It’s also a reason I will continue to subscribe.
More importantly, I don’t want any of their jobs. I love to contribute to the site with my wealth of baseball acumen that comes with being a 70-year old die-hard fan. As a senior, I also prefer maintaining my freedom as a retiree who can still contribute knowledge and opinions to a great site like MLBTR. 🙂
*often, not long
@Adams when was the last time a back to back cy young winner came up for arbitration?
@WadeBoggsWildRide: His comments are also a violation of the rules for commenting on the site that are mentioned in the recent reprint of Tim Dierkes 6 year old article on the subject. No trolling of commenters or content providers. Stevey should be banned.
The fact MLB leaned on the Tigers to lower their number proves the league is in violation of anti-trust laws. The league should be fined at least $2BILLION for starters,
You have misinterpreted my support for your position, Stevey is wrong.
Completely and unsurprisingly, I might add.
Excellent observations. Now write an article on MLB is a monopoly and deserves to be be broken up as a cartel.
$19.75 million in 2016 is worth approximately $26.67 million today
They didn’t think he was worth that, they were just doing business. Not saying it’s right. I think it’s stupid. They know he’s worth more
Yeah, it wasn’t very smart on their part. I think I heard something about other contracts being allowed for comparison, whereas in years past only previous arbitration cases were allowed to be used for comparison. Dylan Cease making $27m a year with the Blue Jays is reason enough imo.
Casey Mize was in his last arbitration year and signed for $6.1 million. If he was a free agent (he won more games than Skubal last year) he would certainly have garnered offers well above $10 million/year. He could easily have gone the route that Skubal did and employed the last year of arb compared to ALL similar pitchers, but he didn’t.
He didn’t because he wasn’t trying to break the system. Skubal and Boras were. Skubal is on the union BOD.
He won. Good for him. I’m sure the Tigers are not mad. However, this will increase the chances of a lockout next year.
Skubal was 13-6
Mize was 14-6
I didn’t say Mize was better. What I was saying that his 14 wins would have gotten him more than $6.1 million if he wanted to push the same approach as Skubal.
Is Skubal $25 million more valuable? Basically, 5 times more valuable than Mize?
He’s easily 3 times better…..but 5? Is Flaherty 3 times more valuable? Of course not. Mize is worth at least as much as Flaherty. Why didn’t Mize push the envelope the way Skubal did?
It’s one stat. If a pitcher wins 14 games, it means he’s ahead when he leaves the game. Obviously, it could mean his offense is bludgeoning their opponents…or….it means the pitcher is keeping his team in the game.
Mize made 28 starts. That means something too. He won 1/2 his starts. He’s only 23-25 in his career, but last year, arguably was his best. It’s not is he worth anywhere near Skubal. It’s is he worth more than $6.1 million in this environment. I would be pretty sure he would have gotten 3/$30 million if he was a free agent this year. Mize is worth more than $6.1 million.
Hey, in addition, the Tigers are paying Drew Anderson, a guy who hasn’t pitched in the majors in 5 years $17 million over 2 years.
Mize is a steal.
14 wins means a whole lot more than 14 losses?
What pitcher do you want. You know nothing else.
The 14-6 guy or 6-14 guy? Both guys had 20 decisions. That’s all you know.
Mize 28 starts 14-6 3,8 ERA $6.1 million
Flaherty 31 starts 8-15 4.6 ERA 22 million
Mize is a steal
I gave several parameters of value.
Mize is a very cheap major league starting pitcher. Throw out wins and losses. Mize is still worth more than $6.1 million on the open market….which is the argument Skubal made. That’s what this debate is about. Open your mind, but not so much that your paltry brains will fall out.
No. I want consistency. I’m not in love with Casey Mize, but this system is not fair to him. I’m for the little guy…and yeah, I know, Mize is not welding fenders on cars.
Everybody should play by the same rules. If Mize had hired Boras, he certainly would be making more money. That seems really unfair to 95% of the players who aren’t represented by Boras.
Is there MLB rules for the league and another set for Boras clients? It seems like there is.
I think if the Tigers came in at 21mm they win. Oh well…
He does deserve every cent. The real problem is the obscene amount of money thrown away on badly-diminished or outright donzo players 5+ years into their far-too-long-for-the-AAV contracts. If the league would do something about that, I’d welcome a corresponding shift into getting the “saved” amount of money into the hands of actively-producing players.
(Note that I’m not saying guys who have earned big deal and who were underpaid for years shouldn’t get nice guaranteed deals. Just, what would be so wrong with 3-6 years guaranteed deals with full-market AAVs?
GET THAT BREAD
Welcome to the Bronx
He won’t be going to the Yankees. The Tigers already told the Yankees that they don’t have the necessary trade chips to make a trade for him.
yanksgoyard.com/tigers-reportedly-owned-yankees-in…
Detroit did this to themselves. $19 million was way too low, if they came in around $25 million they probably would have won. Sometimes these teams have no clue. Maybe they trade him now that they signed Framber. Ironically their offer to him was almost twice what they offered Skubal.
Oops. What did the Tigers say to sling mud on his accomplishments last year? He didn’t win the WS MVP? Lol. This is special. Tigers tragically miscalculated their figure.
Should have at least offered him higher than David Price. I get that people will argue his first arbitration year was a lower baseline but who cares? How can you win 2 straight cy awards and not get more than he got over a decade ago?
He was always going to win. Two Cy Young awards in back to back seasons and being one of the reasons why they made the playoffs two years now. No way he was going to lose his arbitration case.
I think Skubal will win his 3rd CY in a row…and….he will be WS MVP.
Maybe the LIV Golf League will be able to afford Skubal.
The Tigers could have said he lost to the Mariners four times, twice in the playoffs.
If there were any questions about whether a lockout is likely…
Skubal is worth $45 M in a free market.
If it is for only one year, probably would be alot more than that.
It’s absolutely astonishing how poorly Detroit handled this case.
Not really.
Being $13M apart and deciding to go to arb with the best pitcher really is.
@Yankees –
No. As Steve explained well in the article – and one of his comments above – the $13 million gap was exactly why both the Tigers and Skubal/Boras decided to go to arbitration.
Most of these commenters didn’t even read the article
That the Tigers allowed it to get to the point where they were submitting numbers at all was the most grave mistake on their part. Not understanding the absolute slam dunk case that Skubal had if they did go to arbitration regardless of the number he submitted was the 2nd biggest. The number they submitted was the 3rd biggest mistake but still a grave mistake.
You win 2 Cy Youngs in a row, the lesser of which still yielding a Pitching Triple Crown, and the Tigers only thought he was worth $19 Million??
Sorry Detroit, gonna have to get used to seeing Skubal wearing a lighter shade of blue.
Pantone 294…..
Jerry I’ve seen a response like that before but it was in a song “Pantone 292” and I had no idea what this is referring to … lol, please enlighten me! (It was a lyric in a song from the 90s).
Pantone 294 is a color. Dodger blue.
Thinking when he makes it to free agency his shade of blue is going to be #134A8E or PMS 4152 C or PMS 293
Pantone 294
The battle of the blues.
WOW
Good. That’s what Tigers management gets for their insulting low ball.
Great job by Skubal and Boras.
That smell is a Dodgers deferral going out to 2056.
Grats Skoobs!
Would the judge have decided already, or influenced by the money offered to Valdez? And can the Tigers afford both given the uncertain TV revenue picture?
Tigers offered him 2015 David Price money, no wonder they lost.
It’s decided by a panel as opposed to a judge, and, no, the Valdez deal, TV deal, etc. Should not have mattered. All that should’ve factored in is recent past deals for starting pitchers in the same service class. Compare their pitching results with what salary they got. Skubal is certainly head and shoulders above any recent comps.
Just got my call from the Tigers ticket office today. What a coincidence.
@stymeedone
Me too!!! And I’m in Toronto!!
Easy. Maybe more.
I honestly don’t know why the Tigers filed such a low offer.
The article says why.
With inflation Price’s arb case is about $27m in today’s money. It’s not as shattering as it seems and he’s worth it. Tigers low balled and it cost them – hopefully it’s the Mets not Dodgers who he’s sent too
That’s a really good point. I didn’t even consider something as basic as simple inflation. Bring that up & it’s an easy win for the player!
I honestly didn’t see this happening. Thought the Tigers came in a little low but according to all previous arbitration numbers, they probably should have still won. I’m wondering if the crazy AAVs this offseason have changed things going forward.
He’s won back-to-back CYAs. No way the Tigers would’ve won at $19M. Juan Soto *settled* for $31M two years ago in his final arb year. Ohtani got $30M three years ago. ”
“Crazy AAV” is normal salary inflation in a current thriving MLB industry.
“Crazy AAV” is what ownership is agreeing to pay players, the people who actually entertain us and thus generate the revenue.
Trade him. Tigers already have 4 top 40 prospects. 2 in the top 10 and just signed a capable replacement ace in Valdez for next 2 years at least. Get a huge haul for skubal and be set up for next decade with a loaded farm system
Farm systems and prospects are no guarantee. The Tigers are contenders NOW. this is a year they should be going all-in
Right! Because the odds that those prospects will be as good as Skubal are really, really high. Those rankings are never wrong!! (sarc)
Good for you Tarik. Deserves to be paid like one of the best in the game.
Detroit is so dumb. $32 was high but they lowballed him so bad the arbitrators had no choice but to take Skubal’s side.
Exactly right. If they had simply topped $20 million, they would have at least been able to make an argument.
lol relax
It still was not a snub. I’m sure the argument had to do with the limits of the arbitration system. Giving the highest offer by a team is not being disrespectful. Its just a difference of opinion. Its just business.
Disagree strongly, stymeedone… when that highest offer was 11 years ago, yeah, this was disrespectful.
I accept treating/paying pitchers less in arb than hitters. But… how much higher was Juan Sotos’ award than the top awards being given a decade earlier?? Take that lower baselijne for pitchers and increase it by the same percentage to get a fair number for Skubal.
Wrong
Look how the Giants handled Lincecum after his back to back CYA’s in ’08 and ’09. Very similar to the Tigers. The difference back then vs now was Scott Boras wasn’t representing Lincecum.
Interestingly, Lincecum will never be in the HOF. Mr. Skubal and MLB fans should take notice. Nothing is assured.
Lincecum was pretty small for a SP and had a really violent delivery. Skubal is a huge man, who throws 100 and doesn’t even look like he’s trying hard.
I get what you are saying and yeah, all pitchers pretty much break, but Skubal is built like a tank. He’s more Sabathia then Pedro(who admittedly was pretty small but his action wasn’t as unconventional as Lincecum’s.
I agree that Skubal is built more like Verlander and Clemens (without that…you know…other stuff) than Lincecum. I believe he will win at least 1 more CYA…maybe 2-3 more if he doesn’t break. Nevertheless, I think teams are going to be wary of going out more then 4-5 years on his next contract.
I hope the Tigers offer him 3 years, $180 million in that little window between the end of the WS and when FA starts. Dare him to turn it down…which I think he will.
warn, I believe that the difference was that at that time the clause in the CBA that made this possible for Skubal did not exist. It was not added until the current CBA.
Rude.
The Tigers will not offer him $60 million AAV for even one year. They can’t. They don’t have the revenue to do so.
Skubal will get $400 million in FA. Cut it by any amount of years you want, that is what he will get. 5-6-7-8-10 years. The number I am hearing most is 10 years to keep the AAV down and limit the damage a single year lost to injury would cause. .
Tigers gambled and lost; they should have offered at least what the going rate they paid a bum like Gleybar
There’s no way the Tigers wanted Gleyber to accept the QO. It was an eyebrow-raising move that they offered.
I’m surprised. I thought for sure they’d rule against him…
For everyone who’s been bashing Boras all offseason, this was his big win.
Good for him, he deserves it.
Tigers likely would’ve won if they offered 2-3 mil more on their end. They shot themselves in the foot with this one
I’m thinking 25M might have won.
Pirates have no shot keeping Skenes even into one year of arbitration at this point
He was the biggest winner today. That award probably got him an extra $35M in his arb years.
That’s not the case. Skubal and Boras exploited a clause in the CBA that states players with 5+ years of service time can compare themselves to free agents and free agent values, not prior arbitration precedent. That is what makes this case different. Not Arb1 or Arb2. years. Arb3 year will be a different story.
It does make it more likely that Skenes will get traded before his Arb3 year. This also makes it likely that any small to mid market team that has a top tier caliber starter the likes Skenes, Hunter Brown, Misorowski etc… trades them before arb3. Just won’t be able to afford their contracts.
I’m not saying Houston is a small market team, just using Hunter Brown as an example of a young top tier pitcher who could command a big Arb3 salary based in this case.
Realistically, if anyone is worth that kind of money, it’s got to be him. This will become a renewed point of contention in the CBA negotiations….but for value, he should have won.
This was the most obvious no duh outcome. Their offer was such an egregious low ball and his request was so within range of what he’s worth that there was no way he was gonna lose this.
Shocked they didn’t try to settle in the upper middle at like $27M to $30M.
Wish the Tigers would have spent the money they’re going to save by not paying Skubal next year by going out and getting a few more high-end bats at the beginning of the offseason. With Skubal and Valdez now at the top of the rotation THIS is the year to go all-in before Skubal leaves…
Well…since he did in his arm back in 2022, he’s due for another blowout either this coming year or next. Hopefully the Tigers get a full season from him in ’26.
Tigers trying to justify their lower # in the meeting:
“Did not win 2023 Cy Young”
“Home runs allowed per 9 rate has gone up 2 years in a row”
“Didn’t lead the AL in K’s in 2025.”
“Only has one shutout. We didn’t pay Jack Morris that much for a lot more shutouts than that.”
“Can’t pitch 200 innings.”
I don’t think it was hard for Skubal’s side.
😆 🤣 😂 That sounds about right.
This is great. As a tigers fan I look at them just as Josh Donaldson said it. Trash organization. You didn’t wanna pay Skubal but gave Valdez almost $39 million a season. Scott Harris is a total moron. Oh ya we need offense incase anyone’s listening.
So how did they get money for Framber and Skubal? I thought they were strapped.
Skubal will be traded.
$32MM is no pocket change I doubt any legit suitors after this development. Can you name one legit contender willing to trade for him this offseason?
@threed: The Braves. The Dodgers. The Mets. The O’s. The Jays. Etc. Especially the Braves. Right up AA’s alley. Large 1 year deal for a TOR—–Check. Probably the only player AA would consider acquiring that would push the Braves into the 3rd luxury tax.
Nashville J: The Codgers and The NYMess are already financially leveraged to the hilt. Atlanta foolishly let Fried go to earn his inflated paychecks in The Bronx… they are as lost as Baltimore when it comes down to finances and/or prospects cannot even generate revenues to cover Regional TV Broadcast costs… Toronto just sold the farmhouse to cover Dylan Cease’s ridiculous
deal. Skubal is merely wishful thinking for all of these teams who are already waay over -leveraged. Sorry, Detroit has no legit suitors—I’m just glad it isn’t my money or yours that
is at stake.
Can you smell what the lockout is cooking?
I think that seals the deal for no baseball next year the way the rules are now. The Tigers will take their comp next year if they are in the running by the trade deadline, and move him if they are not. I’m sure they’ll have him all season long as they’ll make the playoffs or be so close they can’t trade him.
Tarik is at his prime, but at the end of the day 8 inning starts are pretty elusive for him now. We’ll enjoy this season in Detroit. If it’s his last here so be it. GO TIGERS !
Getting there!
Now the question is do they trade Skubal if they get offered a worthwhile offer or do they ride out the year and just take the compensation pick. I just don’t see a team dumping out their farm for a one year rental. It isn’t worth trading him for the sake to trade him for a meh package.
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While not an absolute, I do think you speak to the most likely outcome. Ride or die, and sell at the TDL if the wheels fall off.
“Ride or die” seems to be a very appropriate for The Motor City. Not all that unfamiliar a strategy for Detroit. The wheels will spin and agreed then will thereafter-fall off. Concerned MLB fans’ heads are already spinning for sure.
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The team is not run by idiots
They will do the calculations and decide if they gain more by trading him now or keeping him to try and make a playoff run and just getting the Q/O
They will reassess around the trade deadline, of course
*Would the Mets (doesn’t seem like LAD approach) trade Tigers bunch of near ready talent like Tong/Benge, etc and give an insane 500 mil extension to not have him hit the market?
Seems like he’d stay Tiger at least until deadline unless 1 of those 2 teams goes crazy (or Toronto perhaps)?
If you win 2 Cy Young’s before going to free agency, you deserve to win arbitration. Owners need to pay the players their worth. That means you, Illich and Rays!
Detroit had better hope for a financial windfall as they try to navigate Skubal’s arb victory and the Valdez oil spill!
They can trade Skubal and pay him nothing.
Wishful thinking …unless maybe a contender with outstanding/expendable prospects& deep pockets covers $16MM of his Arb victory award. +Gunning for WS validation -guess nothing is impossible but highly improbable!
Getting a bit nuts, Scales are gonna tip and i think this guarantees a cap and floor otherwise half the teams in the league will not be able to afford a #1 pitcher or great hitter.in the same lineup. How many 40-50 million a year players can a team absorb, of course dodgers, mets and yanks excluded.
Massive win for not just Skubal, but the players. Highest win ever in arbitration and will help set a higher benchmark for players in the future going to arbitration especially pitchers. They have been undervalued in arbitration. This is why he and Bora$$ did it. he is a unique player and one that could turn the system on it’s ear. Tigers were prepared for this but the rest of the league owners have to be cursing this ruling. Paul Skenes is thanking Skubal.
If the language of comparing players with 5 years of service time to FA contracts is in the CBA why has that not been the overall strategy of all players in their last year of arbitration?
Some of this goes back to Trevor Bauer breaking convention and signing a short-term High AAV contract. Kind of set the stage for pitchers for a while. It is a higher risk on free agents but benefits Arb 3 guys as well as guys in their peaks.
Scott Boras and Rob Manfred are ruining major league baseball!
Make that Scott Boras, MLB owners and the MLPBA. Something has to give in one of these CBA expiring offseasons. I’m guessing the dam will break in 2027.
I also believe that many if not the majority of fans would be on board with a prolonged work stoppage that includes jeopardizing much if not all of the 2027 season in order for MLB to finally achieve a salary cap, floor and a better way to achieve revenue sharing among teams and players than the one that is currently in place. 🙂
Strike n theh will lose a lot of fans
I’ve got no problem with Boras. It’s his job to get his clients as much money as possible, and he’s good at his job. On the other hand, Manfred’s job is to help screw over the players. I do have a problem with that.
@Thono
You should get 💯🆙 votes for this comment
MLB SHOULD have a commissioner that works in behalf of the fans, the consumers not just the 30 billionaire owners.
DP
“Scott Boras and Rob Manfred are ruining major league baseball!”
How?
Did the tigers make a mistake by going down all the way to 19? Arb is all or nothing so if arbiter thinks the real value is 26 he has to give it to him.
Maybe if tigers went 24 they would have won
Arbitration figures submitted by teams are strictly regulated by the League Office and heavily regulated by precedent. That being said, you would think MLB would come in higher than a staunch number from over a decade ago…
Does this mean they won’t extend him beyond this season or is he determined to hit free agency? It would have been a nice contract if they could have signed him to $20 million salary this year with a $5 million signing bonus. Then they could have escalators for CY finish top 3, all-star, etc.
He’s a Boras client. No chance he signs an extension. Its kind of a Boras thing
Skubal trade in 3, 2, 1…
This might lower the chances of a trade? Which team has 30m of space under the luxury tax left in early October?
Historically unique player attributes going into the process. Rarely going to be a viable comp for future arb decisions …with the possible near-term exception of Skenes.
A bigger surprise/shock would be a trade much before the deadline, if at all.
Skubal is a stud, but I think a final arb year figure should be $25m.
Then the club should have won. 25 is below the mid-point.
I can’t help but wonder if the other teams are going to be annoyed at the Tigers for trying to lowball him. This is going to end up affecting everyone come arbitration time.
Good for Skubal‼️Soon to be the newest Dodger.
Wrobleski, Knack, & Bobby Miller for Skubal. Do it Friedman.
TL
BTV values
Skubal $51 million (don’t think it’s updated, so maybe more like $40 million)
Wrobleski $6 million
Knack $0.4 million
Miller $0 million
I don’t think it’s Friedman you need to be telling to do it
Officially on the market. Already speaking with teams.
That’s a lot of PIZZA PIZZA‼️
Well deserved, pass me a tiny (or smaller) violin for any owners or others in favo(u)r of holding wages down.
Ok
Raise your hand if you were certain the Tigers would win
Don’t make me go back and find it
I don’t think I made a prediction anywhere, but I would have said the Tigers win tbh. Would have been wrong!
FACAW
There’s a huge difference between, I think the Tigers will win and The Tigers will absolutely win.
I predicted that Skubal had a better than 50% chance to win. That was right after both sides submitted numbers. As the weeks went by, I became even more confident that Skubal would win.
Tigers ruining baseball
SDM
Misogynist insult
Muted
Gnats Fan. 👆🏼☝🏼
@SDMadres
Love the team name. I also laughed out loud at the comment.
Tomorrow on this website:
What teams have the quantity or quality of prospects to trade for one year of Skubal ?
Nope.
I was paraphrasing, Steve. Everyone knows the article in the next few days to weeks will be titled “Lining up potential trade partners for Tarik Skubal”.
@Steve Adams
Well like Shawn says is what your readers want to discuss. Just a suggestion.
They will wait until after the rumors come out about teams calling about Skubal start to come in as camp opens.
It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on arbitration salaries next year
Not very many ’27 Arb 3 comps out there… and this offseason has other pressing needs first. This should stand as a record until Skenes, maybe.
It wasn’t a snub. Skubal definitely earned it! He took a huge chance and won. I am super happy that I was wrong but I don’t think their offer was disrespectful. He was going to try for the big payday regardless. I do think they should have offered the record just for PR purposes but they would have still lost. Them losing is very good for players!
Did you even read why the tigers offered so low?
This decision is honestly bizarre and sets a strange precedent that I’m not sure the system can handle going forward and MLB wasn’t prepared with how the new clause would effect these decisions.
Soto got $31M on his FOURTH year of arbitration compared to Skubal getting $32M in his THIRD.
So what would Skubal expect if he was a super two player? $60M?
Add 1 more cy young n maybe
If he was super two this would be totally justified, but it’s very out of line with the recent past arbitration decisions. The system needs to be overhauled with arbitrators allowed to find middle ground if warranted.
Final arb players can use market values instead of other arbitration numbers
Skubal is worth more to his team & MLB than Soto. MLB did this to themselves. Adjust David Price’s record setting arbitration award from 2015 to 2026 and Skubal is worth $40mm.
On a side note Framber Valdez is not worth more than $22 mm AAV. PLUS he’s 3 years older‼️
That was a no brainer. He deserves it. Congrats. Play ball!
If Trent Grisham is worth 23 mil then…..
¡Mucho valuoso, amigo! A relative “king’s ransom” available now… field all offers, but play your hand close to your vest.
I told everyone so. im not surprised that he won in the least.
Good.
Big win for Skubal, and an embarrassing loss for the Tigers.
Tigers offered a record amount, nothing embarrassing about it. In the end they probably wished they went with $24-26M as that probably would’ve won. $32M is such a massive increase for a 3rd time arbitration no one expected Skubal to file at that level. Soto got $31M, but he had an extra arbitration year.
They should have. CBA says final arb players can look at market rates instead of other arb numbers. Dude just won back to back Cy Young awards. $25-27m may not have done it either.
Looking at the arbitration panel when he walked n the room – Jeanne Charles (look her up), Walt Truex (a Teamsters Lawyer) and a Canadian Allen Ponak – Boras had to say to himself he couldn’t lose.
This is not fair to the team or the league
Teams should be able to get salaries reduced when a player sucks on a big contract if this is the way they want salaries to be
The problem to me is MLB should want players to stay with the teams they’ve established themselves on. It good for fans, the team and the player as long as they get market rate pay. It’s lame we just accept that great players are with teams for 6 years and then move on to the Dodgers.
It’s all in the name of greed
Now go get’em Friedman
Good. Dude is a beast and earned every penny.
I’d like to see minimum wage and arb guys make more, even if there’s a cap.
Insane
Players make too much
Teams are worth too much
Tickets cost too much
Says who? You?
Of course ME
Someday I should be in this list
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Holy! Two massive contracts on the Tigers books! I’m pretty sure they are above the luxury tax threshold now.
Still $30 million below the $244 million CBT threshold.
The second they didnt offer to beat the highest arb number for a pitcher ever it was over. David Price set the record a decade ago with lesser numbers. How do you justify not offering Skubal more?
GREAT write up on this subject Steve. you laid it out perfectly.
the only thing I would add is that its my understanding that the clause Boras and Skubal used in this case was not a part of past CBA’s, just the current one. Because of the precedent this arbitration ruling makes the owners are no doubt kicking themselves over allowing it to be added.
One thing that I did not seem to find in the comments thread or the main article is the importance of the midpoint of $25,500,000 between the offer of $19,000,000 and the request for $32,000,000. The way the presentations work for both sides is for the player’s side to argue that Skubal’s performance puts him $1 above the midpoint while the Tigers argued that Skubal’s performance is $1 below the midpoint when compared to previous salaries. The panel can only choose the $19,000,000 or $32,000,000.
This is the important language from the CBA that involves players with service time above 5.000 but below the free agency trigger of 6 years of service time:
“The arbitration panel shall, except for a Player with five or more years of Major League service, give particular attention, for comparative salary purposes, to the contracts of Players with Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player’s annual service group. This shall not limit the ability of a Player or his representative, because of special accomplishment, to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate.”
Just means that going forward, only big market teams will be able to keep stars. Most teams wont even be able to pay a $30M+ final arb season
No Doubt Boras is banking on another great season and 500/10 next off-season. Maybe more now that deferrals are the hot new item. Plus bonuses. This could get crazy
Its already crazy
Looks like he’ll be heading to the LAD around the trade deadline unless their staff stays healthy then signed as a free agent.
Trade him now
If I’m the Pirates, Skenes is on the market today
Great result for Skubal, but I’d say the happiest guy after this ruling is probably Paul Skenes. Pirates front office is probably panicking.
Skenes isn’t sniffing a salary like this until his last year of arbitration. That was the key for Skubal. And with the new CBA who knows what alterations they will come up with. If I’m a superstar I’m signing an extension as close to today’s market value soon as possible.
I would think the writers on this site would be sharp enough to adjust David Price’s number for inflation. The Price number from ELEVEN years ago adjusted for inflation would be around $26 million, so yes, they absolutely should have been in the mid-20s with their offer.
The Tigers offer was sub-moronic.
@Jersey
MLB leaned on the Tigers to lower their initial offer. That’s collusion, something like a cartel setting all the prices for everything. See my post to Tigersfan.
Getting traded in 3…2…1
This is no cause for celebration. The 2027 season is now in serious jeopardy.
The arbitration system effectively ended its value for owners today. Baseball’s wealthiest teams will dominate hereafter unless either (a) 25 more hedge fund guys (not dependent on crypto!) step up and buy franchises; or (b) serious and effective salary caps – individual and/or team — are enacted, and arbitration rules re-defined back to some midpoint between team control and free agency..
And we’ll see soon if Tigers fans will be cheering it. Do the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, or Blue Jays have the best five prospects to offer?
I actually think a full season with replacement players and guys collecting under long term contracts might be fun.
@Jiimk
See my post above.
If you don’t think the Tigers and Boros, through Skubal (one of the five player Reps on the MLBPA Executive Board) colluded to change the Arbitration process ahead of the next CBA, then you’re not processing this correctly. By the Tigers submitting the extremely low ball offer (much lower than what was proposed during recent negotiations) thus ensuring a victory for Boros and the MLBPA on this issue going forward, Chris Illich is a smart businessman and by letting the Arbitrators make the call, he saves face with the other owners by not caving in and just handing over the 32 million, plus he maintains the great relationship with Skubal going forward when the time comes to negotiate a long term contract. You know Big Mouth Scott Boros would have been bashing them publicly for the low ball offer, if in fact the intent was to “low ball” them in order to win. But that never happened, because the “fix” was in and all he had to do is wait until the Arbitration to be settled. And then to make things even better for the Arbitrator’s to rule on the side of Boros and Co., the timing of the Valdez signing for 38 million per season comes before the ruling was to be decided. If I’m “Joe Arbitrator” and I see that the Tigers just handed out 38 million to a pitcher who is no where near as talented as Skubal, am I to give him the 19 million or the 32 million….. Come on folks and the so called expert MLB reporters and writers, use common sense. Finally, by signing Valdez Chris Illich not only assures the 32 million for Skubal, but also sends Skubal a message he’s serious about not just winning the division, but advancing further in the playoffs. The Tigers farm system is stacked and there long-term payroll after this year is solid. (Next year they save around 70 million alone with the expiring contracts of Flaherty, Torres, Janson, Vierling, and Rogers) Which ironically gives them the cushion they need to absorb Skubal’s 45-50 million dollar annual contract for next year and beyond. And the Tigers farm system has players waiting to take those spots at entry level salaries. (Melton, McGonigle, Anderson, Briceno, and Clark, etc.) thus ensuring a balanced payroll with just a few super high salaries.
@TigersFan
You’re on the wrong side of this. MLB is the reason the Tigers lowballed Skubal. They colluded with the other owners to try to sabotage the CBA. Only the owners can lock out the players. This antiquated system was allowed to happen over a 100 years ago when Congress exempted MLB from the anti-trust laws which were designed to prevent monopolies. Just the threat of a lockout makes me sick to my stomach. Baseball belongs to the fans not 30 billionaires.
How do you blame ALL of the owners for this? It’s the big market owners that are ruining baseball. by handing out the huge long term contracts, that small / mid market teams cannot compete with. The fan base / metropolitan areas / radio / tv contracts, etc. is NOT a level playing field. That;s why you have revenue sharing, which isnt enough when you have the Dodgers, Mets, etc., paying more in revenue sharing / the tax penalty than some teams entire payroll. That’s what’s wrong with baseball …. The NFL, NBA, and NHL figured out what a real salary can do for their sports as it relates to parity and player movement, baseball needs to follow suit quickly or its fan base will continue to deteriorate and sink below the NBA and NHL, and will no longer be America’s game.
@Tigerfan
You’ve ingested Mafia League Baseball’s propaganda as to what their preferred solution should be. It’s an entertainment industry as it stands now. It was granted immunity by the Supreme Court 102 years ago. The only teams not competing are the owners who are padding their profits with the luxury tax, aka revenue sharing. The last thing we need as fans is entrusting the Sport to these owners
THEY NEED A HARD SALARY CAP WHICH IS THE SAME FOR EVERY TEAM …. JUST LIKE THE NFL… …PERIOD !!!!!!!
Much deserved for one of the best pitchers in the game.
Someone raise interest rates. Baseball inflation is out of control.
Big Scotty changing the game and getting it done. Comes across as a fwit of the highest order, but he can get a result. Fair enough.
so what percentage of the 32 million does Scott Bora$ get?.
4%…?…….2%?
Pirates owner has to be crapping his pants right now thinking about what skenes arbitration raises are going to look like now.
They are already planning out what a Skenes trade will look like in July 2028.
Kudos to Skubal, he’s as deserving of 32 million a year as anyone, although I don’t think any player is worth that much money, he’s been the best pitcher in baseball for 2+ years. I guess we’re moving to the time where everyone will have to make 1 million a year just to survive with inflation like it was for 4 years. Hopefully Detroit can win with pitching and defense, they haven’t helped their hitting any this winter!
His trade value just took a nosedive.
How much does the Arb hearing cost the team? Do the owners pay to fight against these collectively if they want to embarrass their players in some cases over 200,000
I can see Detroit meeting him and seeing how the season is playing out. If it isn’t doing their way, they’ll get more for him at the deadline than they will now.
If they are joining butt and feel line they have a chance to go deep into the playoffs, the playoff money could help offset his salary.
He should’ve been awarded 37 million a season like they just gave Valdez!!!
This was more Players vs Owners than Skubal vs Tigers. Both sides are strongly pressured to represent their side, so bids were heavily influenced by the two unions behind them. If anything, Skubal should be glad the Tigers’ bid was ‘only’ $19M; made it easier to dismiss and the players union gets a big win.
Now that arb is over, the new focus is on how formidable the pitching staff suddenly is.
Big keys for Tigers in ’26: Colt takes next step & Meadows reverts to late ’24 Parker.
2022 marks 100 years since the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that professional baseball is exempt from the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Time to break up the monopoly ‼️
I feel like this headline buries the lede. Winning the arbitration alone isn’t the story here
Good for him. Hope he buys the fans a hot dog.
Back to Back CY Young Wins.
Back to Back years leading in ERA, ERA+, and FIPs.
Insane WHIP, Massive K%, Microscopic BB%
19M was clearly a lowball offer by the Tigers and with the Arb needing to pick one side and being unable to split the middle, siding with the Player was obvious. The Tigers should blame themselves for not coming in with something like $25m, which would at least have given the Arb something to ponder.
Note: In regard to avoiding a MID 20s to avoid “Moving the Needle”. By coming in so low the needle was splintered. His performance was beyond special. The $19.5m bar was set in 2015….A Decade Ago. And Price’s numbers were not nearly as impressive.
All you are doing is showing that you don’t understand the arb process.
Or The Tiger’s Don’t.
$19.5m in 2015 is about $26.5m Today…..The old “Gold Standard”.
Tarik was BETTER than Price in 2015.
By coming in so VASTLY under even a comparable figure to what Price Offered…They lost and set a new bar MUCH higher than before.
Here’s a thought: Did the Tigers pick a low number on purpose so he would win?
Game theory is fascinating.
Tigers FO are dumb. They could have won this. If David Price received 19.7mm 11 years ago, take that number, 3% inflation I come up with $27mm. If you want to be a little cheap, offer $24mm-$25mm. You might have won. You went too low and got beat.
Power to the players. Good for Skubes. Shame on the Tigers. I guess we’ll see how this affects his next contract situation, but I’d be surprised if the next one comes from Detroit.
The odds of Detroit extending him were near-zero before the hearing.
“Shame on the Tigers”…..There was a zero probability that they would be able to extend him…especially with Boras as his agent and secondly, what did you want the Tigers to do as far as an arbitration number….go from a salary of $10 million to $30 setting the stage for outrageous demands by every other pitcher in arbitration forward Tiger players or otherwise…..
Beating Price’s number would have been a start…
MATCHING Price’s arbitration Figure…Adjusted for inflation would have been reasonable, since Skubal’s numbers blow away Price’s.
Coming in $500K under before inflation was an assured loss…..especially considering the 11 year age of those numbers.
Skubal is not just “Some Pretty Good Pitcher”….
If they were Tiger’s Fans….Wayne and Garth would be doing the “We are not Worthy” when in his presence.
Flaherty via Instagram: Dinner’s on Valdez and Skubal
If I sit near the end of the table do you think anyone will notice me?
I’m just glad these guys will be able to feed their families. Thank God and pass the potatoes
Not an indictment of either guy, just how insane the money in pro and college sports has become
That said, I’m just going to enjoy another season of Skenes here in Pittsburgh, knowing it may be his last
Especially in College Sports….
There are kids now sticking in college who would have turned pro, because college is paying more.for kids who College Elite, but just “Borderline Professional”.
I’m a dinosaur. LOL, I used to think being able to get a free ride for a college education was a pretty good trade off for being a top athlete.
I get that the NCAA was and is a multi billion dollar conglomerate but they’ve killed it for me where NIL riches and yearly transfer portal “free agency” are concerned. I watch less than ever and only because I love the various sports. That’s where it ends for me
They need do need to figure something out. I have no issue with a college player being legitimately being compensated for their name and likeness for some local or even national TV AD or being compensated if represented in a video game, etc. A local burger joint has/had a burger named after the local College QB. He likely got paid and great for everyone.
But when schools are paying players millions, and those players are not even taking classes like Miami’s QB, lets stop pretending these kids are student athletes. It’s not “College Football”. It’s a For-Profit Professional Football League run by “Non-Profit” colleges. And as you noted the Transfer Portal show it. The kids are not in the portal because the other school because he is changing majors and thinks the other college has better classes. Something a “STUDENT” would do if this was about education. Nope, they are pro-athletes in a pro league.
Well stated. To me, once the genie is out of the bottle it’s almost impossible to put him back in. The old adage that big money corrupts everything is applicable here. NIL money precludes these kids from being called “students,” of course, and if you’re making hundreds of thousands or even millions as a college athlete, why worry about classes?
Add in gambling houses now having a huge impact in all levels of sports and it’s difficult to find the allegiance to university or even pro teams anymore.
I don’t see this as a big deal. It’s an extreme outlying exceptional case. Skenes will probably get more in year 6, but who else right now can legitimately say they *could*, let alone would?
I thought Boras had overplayed their hand. Wow, what a win! It is good to see this type of win for Skubal.. the current system just terribly undervalues most arbitration players, generally, but especially star pitchers. The shelf life on some of these pitchers is so short, it is good to see the young man get paid.
In future seasons, I think we will see a lot more guys in that 5+ service class get traded because of this decision.
Oil up the elbows, Friends. You too can be a Replacement Tiger in 2027!
Or Mariner, or Padre, or even a Dodger, because it’s lockout baseball time again, and here we come!
Thank you Tarik! Thank you Tigers! Your combined knockout blow converts next year’s normal season into silly season. I’m all in once I locate that hidden stash of greenies. I knew they’d come in handy again one day!
Insurance Shminsurance. No Mike Trouts in Replacement Ball. Just rub dirt and balm on that bone sticking out of your ankle and we’ll continue our run to glory!
Look up some of the rosterees on the last Replacement Teams. They were your high school teammate, your college catcher, and even your Costco dairy cooler stocker. Unfortunately those great Patriots and Heroes were betrayed by a labor settlement. But this time, there will be no settlement! It’s for keeps! The next great rosteree will be you!
Go Savanna Bananas !!
Charlie Finley said Arbitration not Free Agency was the danger. Of course the other owners didn’t listen to him.
I’m more surprised that the Tigers only came in at $19M. When I saw that, I figured he was going to win. Had they come in at like $25, they might have won.
Skubal was better than Price was in 2015.
They came $500K under that even before 11 Years of Inflation.
Since the Arb could not split the difference, he likely had little choice and just shook his head that the Tigers forced his hand.
Yea right, Like there will be no salary cap/floor next CBA.
I think it raises the chance of a deadline trade, especially if the Tigers are behind. They could still get a haul of young players from a team pushing their chips in. You know that Detroit is not going to pony up the $400 million if Skubal has another big year!
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