The Cardinals’ decision to send Tommy Pham to the Rays caused quite some eyebrow raising among rival executives, according to Jayson Stark of The Athletic. (Stark also ran down a host of other interesting items heading out of the deadline in a subscription piece.) Some around the game see it tied to the fact that, after a lengthy run of success, the Cards are increasingly in flux. Pham had seemed a core piece as recently as this past winter, when the team dealt away other young outfielders, but is now the latest player on the move. The St. Louis club is still two games over .500, has plenty of controllable talent, and isn’t even out of the 2018 postseason picture. But one rival questions whether the organization has “a real understanding of where they are within their process.”
- One of those recent outfield swaps brought the Cardinals reliever Dominic Leone, who worked his first rehab outing for Triple-A Memphis yesterday, striking out two batters in an inning of work. That’s good news for the right-hander, who has been sidelined for much of the year with a biceps nerve problem. He’s still controllable through 2021, so the Cards have time to reap value from the 26-year-old.
- Meanwhile, it’s possible that veteran reliever Luke Gregerson won’t return to the majors this year, MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch recently tweeted. Gregerson was sidelined with a shoulder injury when he suffered a torn meniscus that required surgery. The 34-year-old, who inked a two-year, $11MM pact with St. Louis over the winter, has only thrown 12 2/3 frames for the club this season. He allowed ten earned runs in that span, but more worryingly showed some other declines. Gregerson was working at about 1.5 mph less with his average heater than in 2017 while sporting a 12.6% swinging-strike rate that’s well off of his recent levels.
- In other pitching news, the organization has decided to bump rookie Austin Gomber into the rotation to take the place of Carlos Martinez, who just headed back onto the DL, per MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch (via Twitter). The 24-year-old Gomber has thrown 22 1/3 innings of 3.22 ERA ball this year in the majors, though his peripherals (7.3 K/9, 4.4 BB/9, 33.3% groundball rate) aren’t quite so promising. As Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch notes on Twitter, the organization could soon face an “innings crisis” if it can’t get lengthier outings from its young arms while several veterans work back from the DL. Fortunately, as Langosch recently reported, there is some continued optimism that Martinez won’t require a lengthy absence, though it remains concerning that he has suffered a string of problems in his shoulder and back.
The reason cardinals seem to be in flux, is they don’t operate same as most teams. They don’t sell all assets and tank which seems to be in vogue since astros and cubs. They also don’t mortgage the future to be “all in”. They constantly look at ways to improve both the major league club and simultaneously the minor leagues. Every year trying their best to put a competitive team and go for it with no periods of irrelevance. That is why they fill stadium to highest percentage of capacity of all MLB teams despite currently being 4.5 games out of wild card. Confusing in today’s age of sellers and buyers. Cards are always both.
The word tank has relatively no meaning. Most teams go through periods of success and losing that they cant turn around in one season. People just like to use to try and discount another teams success when they are at that high point. You are right in recent memory the Cardinals haven’t gone through that. Their fans have gotten pretty spoiled by it. Over the past couple season they have trended the wrong way. Lets just hope they aren’t in for a rude awakening.
Well this is just not true about tanking meaning nothing. When teams purposely give up on a season and sell off all of their major league assets, that is tanking. Deciding not to compete before the season has even started is tanking. Regardless of whether people think it is a negative thing or cheapens a victory or not, it is still a real thing
The Rays “tanked” and are playing .500 baseball.
It’s completely accurate in regards to “tanking.” The word is nothing but a euphemism for people that want to live in the past, people who believe that a team can remain true championship contenders without going through heavy losing first.
This isn’t 1960 when teams could spend gobs of money on amateur talent and never deal with losing. It’s not even 2010 in that regard. And it’s certainly not 20 years ago when teams could afford to sign 3-4 all star pieces in free agency and contend over night.
Baseball fans wanted a more balanced system that promoted parody, and this is what that looks like. You’re capped on international market spending. You’re capped on draft spending. Both those caps are inversely proportionate to how close you finished the the bottom of the league the previous year. And free agency spending? You’re talking a billion dollar investment in one off season to go from bad to great. No team is doing that.
So when you have a system where the only way to truly acquire star caliber MLB players is to draft them with a high pick or to give them huge signing bonuses in international free agency – and you create a system where the only way to be able to do that is to lose … then you’re going to see smart teams stop kidding themselves with faux contention and start bottoming out.
The Cards don’t want to play that game? They don’t want to operate in the modern baseball world? Fantastic. You can enjoy the mediocrity while preaching from your soap box about how the Cardinals are “doing it the right way.”
Lol whatever makes cubs fans sleep at night
Again, as I stated above, REGARDLESS of whether or not you agree with the concept of tanking, it is still a real thing. I didn’t once state any sort of opinion in support of or against it, I simply stated that it is a real practice being used league wide. There is no place in any of the posts above that you are responding to where anyone is “preaching from [a] soapbox about how the Cardinals are ‘doing it the right way.’”
“Baseball fans wanted a more balanced system that promoted parody, and this is what that looks like.”
True. But some even wanted “parity”.
I know, I know — d@mned spellcheck.
Whatever makes Card fans come up with an excuse. The Cards could easy have signed good players. But. No player wants to go there. MO could have made many trades but didn’t. The fans are spoiled and brain washed. You can make up excuses n justification all day living in the past and believing in washed up players and overpaying has been s won’t cut it one day you’ll figure it out meantime you can cry n complain everyday like you guys do. Grow up
Over it
Read the OP and you’ll see the soap boxing. “Thats why the Cardinals consistently fill their stadium despite being 4.5 games out of the WC.”
Stan there is a difference between tanking and rebuilding and retooling. Also the majority of teams “selling” are selling players with expiring contracts. That is not tanking.
Cards81 I would assume Cub fans sleep pretty well. How you sleeping
I sleep well thanks for asking…especially after that win…3-4 from the Rockies and split the second half games with the cubs…Cardinals are looking good so I’m excited…once again thanks for asking
Michaelw, I see one person crying and it’s you.
Tanking aka the brewers, cubs, royals, astros, marlins, and the Reds. The Cards don’t use that matrix and its been refreshing. MLB should step in for some of the trades made to keep the competitive balance like the NBA does.
The Cardinals are in the top 1/3 in revenue, yet get treated like a small market club by MLB. They get “competitive balance” draft picks every year. It’s is much easier to rebuild on the fly when you have the luxury of a high payroll, and the opportunity to draft 2 of the top 40 amateur players every year.
Yes!!!
All I can say is it must be fairly frustrating for Cards fans the last three years.
It must be frustrating to know your son is overrated
Well, the glint on his ring has certainly blinded me into a state of bliss.
Kyle is better than anyone wearing a Cardinals uniform.
You tell-em mom!
Lol no he is not…he can’t play defense and it’s either a home run or strike out…he is an average player at best
If that pie is for Kyle, it’ll last ten minutes, tops.
The .365 on base percentage says he’s more than a Hr or a K…
Kyle exiled me to upstate NY last winter. I’m not allowed to feed him anymore. Can’t you tell?
You forgot the walks, 81. Very important in these days of “tanking” and TTO. And several base runners have underrated his arm leading to plus defensive saber metrics this season.
Oh Cards81 all all Cardinal fans as uneducated as you? Schwarber is more than homer or K guy. Try to actually look at the number. And for defense he is first or second in assists and catching everyrhing his way. Vastly improved.
I don’t think he is a bad player…but he isn’t that great and needs to be in the AL
Not as frustrating as the last 120 years as a cub fan
When you just listen to the narrative… /\
Mom knows best!
Get over it, live in today!
I don’t get how people claim that the Cardinals were sellers at the deadline….they traded Pham because they want Bader and Oniell to play…and after last nights game I completely understand the reasoning. The Cardinals are a better team now then they were in the first half…how is that selling? They are in Flux because of veteran players not performing and younger players who want to prove themselves. I think the problem is now they can’t find that superstar to lead the way..no offense to Yadi….it will be hard for them to get one in FA considering a lot of teams are ready to buy this offseason and getting top talent to come to St. Louis will be a challenge no matter how much money. They need someone to lead these rookies…but the future is bright if they make the right moves
Find somewhere for Fowler and his big contract!
Cardinal fans are such pompous asses. Better than everyone else in the way they operate. BS. They only use homegrown talent they said a few years ago, when they signed Holliday to a mega deal. Then signed the steroid eating SS, can’t even remember his name. Now they trade arguably their best OF with no replacement, they have no SP to speak of, yes, fire their manager mid season…they’re bordering on irrelevant. They sell out their stadium because they’re the only sports team in a big city. Irrelevant. I love it!
lol I love when people post and have no clue…so Bader and Oneill aren’t replacements for Pham? “they have no SP to speak of” lol they have one of the youngest rotations in baseball that is pretty good…not to mention plenty of young arms to fill in for injuries…please know what you are talking about before posting…it makes you irrelevant if you don’t
So many things wrong with this comment lol. They have ten SP for five spots and have the third best rotation ERA in the majors. Not to mention almost all of their SP are controllable for multiple years. Bader is a direct replacement for Pham and they expect him to be a significant upgrade over Pham in terms of speed and defense. They are NOT the only sports team in St. Louis even after the Rams left, the St. Louis Blues are a pretty big draw in the NHL. Smh
would rather be a “pompous ass” than an ignorant one…
Holiday was signed as a FA (after a trade for him during the prior season) and he started along with 5 to 6 homegrown players in 2010 season; Phat boy Jhonny …I’ll give u that one….Pham was not their best OF and they clearly have 2 guys to whom they want to give playing time to (Bader & Oneil)….As for SP, Miles was voted by mlb managers to be STLs lone representative to the ASG (later replaced by yadi)….and the city has a professional hockey team.
No NFL, no NBA, the 2 biggest sports in the US. Hockey, not so relevant. The Cards with all this young “talent” will fade. Yadi ain’t getting ay younger, neither is Carpenter. Cards won’t sniff the playoffs for at least 3 years. Sorry, gotta go watch the Rockies win one this afternoon, against the Cards only real SP.
Lol dude you just need to stop…you already made yourself look like and idiot so please do yourself a favor and go back to being irrelevant
The St. Louis Blues drew more fans than all but 8 of the NBA teams last year. Just an FYI
The Cardinals signed so many bad contracts last winter I don’t trust the smucks in the front office. Gregerson, Holliday, Dejong, Fowler, Ozuna (hows that albatross looking over the next few years). Bader and O’neil are going hit what? .220 with a .280 obp the rest of the season. You really just lucked in Mikolas so if he wasn’t on your team youd be 6 games under .500.
wow…is there a Holliday the cardinals signed that I don’t know about…they didn’t sign Ozuna they traded for him and are only paying him like 10 mil and he hits FA after next year…plus he isn’t doing bad…ozuna just isn’t living up to his projections..Gregerson yes horrible but he is only signed through next year and isn’t making all that much…and yes Fowler is bad and so is his contract…so you got one right out of all the names you mentioned…so like I mentioned please don’t post unless you have some clue
Holliday? What? Lol.
Ozuna is going through arbitration next year so nobody knows what his salary will be next year.
Bader is hitting .275 with a .345 OBP this year on the majors. With his speed, a leg would have to fall off for his OBP to drop that low. O’Neill was hitting .311 with .388 OBP in AAA, so he would have to drop around 100 points in both areas. Doesn’t seem likely.
Obviously the Cardinals scouting had a very large part to play in signing Mikolas as they were willing to outbid the Cubs for him. While I acknowledge that every player is an unknown until he gets on the field and performs, the Cardinals front office deserves a fair share of the credit for Mikolas.
Feelings are great, but facts carry more weight
Holland not Holliday. Typing fast cause I’m at work losers. I mean that mistake is obvious.
The answer to Ozunas arbitration salary: too much.
Facts are the Cardinals can’t compete in that division…next couple years ain’t looking so hot…past 2-3 haven’t been good either. Facts.
Time to rebuild maybe you’ll make the playoffs again in 2023
They already cut ties with Holland so how is his contract hurting them anymore
This isn’t the NFL, they still have to pay him.
Yea I know that…but he is off the books after this year and that frees up the budget…you see teams run on a budget and next year that money that they gave him will be free to spend on someone else…so sure they have to pay him but it doesn’t hurt them now or in the future
Next year that money they paid him will be in Gregersons pocket same with Holland…not with the Cardinals…it doesn’t free up anything, its 20 million down the toilet. if you’re team can afford to throw away 20 million a year then good for them.
Lol what are you talking about…you obviously don’t understand…I really don’t want to explain this to you…but Holland’s money is freed up because it was a one year deal…Gregersons money is already allotted to the budget for next year…how is he getting Holland’s money?
4 months = 14 million ouch!!!
The team paid those guys… the money is spent. Holland and Gregerson dont give back 15 million dollars. It’s in their pockets. Wasted money this year does not equal extra or free money next year. Thanks goodness you’re not an accountant. But thanks for explaining your nonsense version
Cardinal fans live in the past and always have an excuse whenever they don’t win which is often these days. Cardinals try to get good players but no one wants to play for them. Heyward who they tried to pay $20 million more than the Cubs, Stanton who refused to play for them, etc. Makes you wonder why players don’t want to play for your organization. We always talk about the Cardinal way which I’m unsure what that really is? Could it be cheating with stealing documents, spying on younger players, criticizing your players openly or never running a ground ball out for the last decade like Mr. Molina. So many Cardinal fans criticize Albert Pujols for leaving after everything he did for them. Best player in baseball when he was a Cardinal and never paid the money like he should have been.
Let’s take the Fowler situation recently. Yes, he has sucked and he knows it, but why criticize him in the public especially when he is on maternity leave. Mozeliak has no clue what he is doing. About the only smart thing Mozeliak every said was 4 years ago when he mentioned the Cubs were done hibernating and will be a team to reckon with for the next decade. Credit to Epstein and Hoyer for bringing a winner to Chicago. Anyone who knows anything about baseball could see this coming as they are top notch and to top it off well respected and know as good people.
Tanking? If the Astros or Cubs sucked then what would that classified as? Just because you have a bad season and have a favorable draft pick does not guarantee you will be successful. How did the number one pick Mark Appel turn out five years ago? Oh yeah, he no longer plays baseball. Maybe the Cardinals could have drafted Benintenei in the 31st round.
Under Mo’s guidance the Cardinals have achieved:
2 World Series appearances (2011, 2013) with one win (2011)
4 NLCS appearances (2011-2014) winning in 2011 and 2013
2 N.L. pennants (2011, 2013)
4 N.L. Central division titles (2009, 2013, 2014, 2015)
2 N.L. Wild Card entrants (2011, 2012)
10 regular season winning percentage above .500 (2008-2017)
Franchise record 5 consecutive seasons with playoff appearance (2011–15)
Impressive in anyone’s book. It’s also worth noting that John Mozeliak has won 3 Executive of the Year awards during his tenure:
MLB.com Executive of the Year (2011)
GIBBY Executive of the Year (2011)
Andrew “Rube” Foster Award as NL Executive of the Year (2012)
Wow! How about that!
First off, Dex is a father so it’s paternity leave… but I’m sure you knew that. Secondly, how is that big money contract the Angels gave Pujols working out… Worst in baseball and a guy that would most likely be realeased if not for all that money.
Speak( or type) with some knowledge when you decide to post on here. You have a thing called the internet that gives you every little stat possible and yet people can’t seem to use it to make themselves more educated.
We might as well try to find a cheap rental once somebody passes through waivers. I think a Tyson Ross, Mike Fiers, or even a controllable pitcher beyond this year.
Well the controllable player probably won’t be cheap. Also we should probably add someone on the infield and possibly another relief pitcher.
Fiers is controllable through 2019
Oh I didn’t know that Fiers was controllable through next year, but he’d be our 3/4 pitcher unless we decide to utilize a 6 man rotation, that is if he goes unclaimed by other teams.
The controllable player probably won’t be cheap, also we should try and add another infielder plus another relief pitcher once they pass through waivers.
they used to be the Yankees of the National League but now methinks it’s the Dodgers.
88 and counting. LAD haven’t done anything. Butvsoenf money n lose
The most tired expression in baseball is “The Cardinals way”. The “Cardinals have the best fans in baseball” is both unproven and ran into the ground.
I here other teams use the (insert team name) way all the time…as far as the best fans in baseball it is a media hyped thing…plus I think other fans are just jealous
“plus I think other fans are just jealous” wow. I’m a Yankees fan and in no way am I jealous of Cardinals fans or any other team for that matter. There’s no other team where that expression ________ way is droned on about.
Bull——…I have heard the Cubs way…and I have definitely heard the yankee way…
Well duh. It would be hard to believe a Yankees fan is jealous of the Cardinals with all their championships. Bad example. As for the _____ way, yes, it is used more by the cards organization. But, it is still used by numerous organizations to describe how their team operates.
I didn’t mean fans are jealous of the Cardinals team…they are jealous because Cardinal fans are held in high regard because of loyalty and being knowledgeable…I don’t think the phrase just came out of no where…there is a reason it was started and it was not started by cardinal fans themselves
Yankees fans don’t exist bro
More than the San Diego Chargers exist bro.
Cardinal fans more knowledgeable? But it was not started by Cardinal fans. Do you believe your own BS? You have a great fan base, like I said, for some reason baseball works there while football fails & basketball has been nonexistent. Hockey? It’s a Canadian sport, I don’t care if there are more Blues fans than Reds fans or Browns fans, hockey is irrelevant in the US.
I didn’t say more knowledge…I said cardinal fans are knowledgeable…geez bud you’re having a rough go
How many other teams hand their recent draft picks or newly acquired young players a handbook titled “The Cardinal Way”?? That’s why it was bandied about for a few years. Because it started in St. Louis and continued to grow across baseball. Similar to the way money ball grew after the the A’s used it to garner success
Every team and every teams fans say they have/are the best fans in baseball.
In the first post above, I neither mentioned cardinals way or best fans in baseball. I mentioned stadium capacity because a recent study showed cardinals sitting at 96% of stadium capacity which currently is highest in baseball. That’s a fact, take it for what you want. And if you think St. Louis is a big city, better not let Chicago, New York, Boston, Los Angeles, Houston, or any of the other big cities hear you say that. St. Louis is small market team.
St Louis is not a small market team. They have a fan base in most of MO, half the fan base in downstate IL, and a lot of older fans throughout the Midwest who caught the games on KMOX back in the day. Plus once you’ve done the Arch, not a lot more to do there.
You couldn’t be more wrong about things to do in STL.
He’s a cubs fan and has no idea…St. Louis has one of the best zoos in the US..plus plenty of museums to visit…not to mention grants farm and many other things
Could be mean and say, get shot unarmed by the cops, but I won’t.
Well, I was expecting Grant’s farm and the Zoo, I’ll give you that and might go there one day, but museums and many other things I can do in Upstate NY.
Ooooooooh, you said it, but you can say that about Chicago, too.
Yea buddy Chicago isn’t any better
St. Louis is a small-to-mid market team based on the size of the region they occupy and the below-average population in that region. A teams nationwide “popularity” (a simpler way to look at that would be by number of fans in other team regions) have no bearing on market size
Please please I’ve been to StL a million times. It’s not that big it’s a dump. I guess compared to Det n Clev it’s like Hawaii it ranks as one of the highest murder rates In the US. Don’t talk about zoos. Lol. Not even close. StL fans full of themselves again
lol true StL fan.
So does 1000 other cities zoos n museums lol
I’m not here to defend the city…I don’t even live in it…I was defending that there is nothing to do but see the arch…people say that because they are to lazy to get out and explore…st Louis has plenty to do and a wonderful history…but I will admit I wouldn’t live in the city
Having lived many years and gone to school nearby, I can testify that St. Louis is a dank, dying dinosaur of a town, rife with problems that no one there wants to recognize, nor address. Smugness reigns.
Yes, the Missouri Botanical Garden and the Zoo are nice; Wash U. is an oasis of culture, but the rest of the area is in civic decline.
Sure, the Cards and Blues can draw millions, but what those fans seek is a sad, desperate form of diversion.
well that seems harsh.
I’ve lived in Stl all my life and it sucks. No big business want to be here. No high profile athlete chooses to be here, been that way for a while. Who can blame them, No real entertainment district, just a bunch of disparate spread out areas that try to. It causes people to regionalized to 5 miles where they live and not support other areas. We people who stay, do so for family support.
“Cardinals have the best fans in baseball” 3 million fans in the stadium every year agree with you.
Dear Jays – offer the Cards Randal Grichuk.
At least he’s better than dexter Fowler.
We’re really scraping the bottom here Becky Lynch…
I wonder what would have happened if they had promoted Lunhow and not let him get away…..
A certain Hacking scandal would most definitely been avoided.
You beat me to it……lol
For one, they wouldn’t have gotten in trouble for hacking into Luhnow’s database……lol
Not much different because Luhnow would’ve been drafting at middle to bottom of picks not at top 3-4 picks for several consecutive years like astros. No tanking team has yet to prove it can lead to 20 years of sustained success after they stockpile picks and prospects to get to top and then are drafting at bottom of picks.
Well, try to enjoy .500 this year.
Good luck to the Cards, but off to the desalinization tanks to their fans.
Im guessing Cards got rid of Pham mainly because he’s a bad apple. Another guess is they would’ve sent CMart packing for the same reason if he hadn’t been injured.
I get a kick out of people saying Carlos Martinez is a bad apple. What has he done in his career to warrant that? Show emotion in game? Color his hair? The Cardinals are not in the business of trading their staff ace controllable through 2021 with two options years.
He’s brown and plays in MO.
Exactly TrueOutcomeFan. Carlos is for one, very good when healthy, and two, a charitable man and very good influence in the community. He helps run Pujols golf tournament when Albert can’t make it among other events he has organized himself. Pham is in a different category. I loved him as a player, but I understand why he was traded. A combo of rubbing the front office the wrong way, poor results at the plate, and younger players ready for more playing time.
And as far as being brown is concerned, STL has a storied history of honoring great African American and Central/South American players. Any racial argument against the Cardinals is asinine.
I think the Cardinals front office are prejudiced against blind people.
I think he may be referencing some of the other issues that have popped up the last few years like the beat down of the gent outside the strip club awhile back. I am a huge fan of cardinal baseball, but have not been as high on CM as most seem to be. His stuff though when he is on is incredible.
Front office is clueless.
Maybe it’s as simple as the Cards felt they were selling high on Pham.
Cards are in for a tough stretch for a few years. First way they screwed it up was not having a competent replacement for Luhnow. When he left, no one was equally intelligent or prepared to scout, evaluate, and acquire talent. Mo has failed spectacularly in free agent evaluation. Multi-year extensions for players with one good rookie year like Wong, Diaz, DeJong, Piscotti, Martinez, etc.
most have failed or their development stunted. Cards draft well & develop in minors, but then when players reach mlb, they regress.
Can’t wait to read about long-term extensions for Bader, O’Neil, Hicks, Flaherty, et al very soon!
Mo’s FA results should have resulted in his firing.
Cecil? Come on now! Fowler, Holland, Gregorson…how much money can you cost your org before they realize you’re not competent?
With this huge failure in evaluation, the only recourse left is to revert back to the “cardinal way” and rely only on your minor leagues.
The Cards rarely get high draft picks because they are too full of themselves to “rebuild”.
Results are relying on lower draft picks to find their way to majors and this is a risky way to go.
The most fun re: Cards is reading these comments and seeing Card fans reactions whenever the term rebuild or selling is mentioned. It scorches their soul and creates rage and denial!! Very entertaining. At least the discussion boards are relevant even if their team is not.
This current trend does have a little bit of a mid-90’s feel, just with better pitching. Seems like they have been able to draft and shape young pitchers, but the position side of things they have been lacking on for a while. Can’t luck into a 13th round Pujols type pick very often.
Lol this guy…yea cards really sold…the team they have now is better than the first half team…how is that selling? Some of those contracts worked out some didn’t…either way Mo got rid of them or they are still playing for cheap…so he seems to know what he is doing…Now I will admit his bullpen signings are very questionable…Fowler was a necessity st the time and it was a gamble that didnt work out…actually it blew up in their face…he was supposed to lead off, shore up CF, and change the clubhouse with his personality…well he can’t hit, can’t play defense, and seems to be more of a problem than anything…I judge that on his negative press…but really all teams and GMs make bad plays…Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Giants…and if you compare all those teams bad contracts to Mo’s you wouldn’t think Mo screwed up to bad…who are you pleepleus18 to have such a condescending attitude? Oh by the way this guy that you think is no good at his job…well here is a resume
Under Mo’s guidance the Cardinals have achieved:
2 World Series appearances (2011, 2013) with one win (2011)
4 NLCS appearances (2011-2014) winning in 2011 and 2013
2 N.L. pennants (2011, 2013)
4 N.L. Central division titles (2009, 2013, 2014, 2015)
2 N.L. Wild Card entrants (2011, 2012)
10 regular season winning percentage above .500 (2008-2017)
Franchise record 5 consecutive seasons with playoff appearance (2011–15)
Impressive in anyone’s book. It’s also worth noting that John Mozeliak has won 3 Executive of the Year awards during his tenure:
MLB.com Executive of the Year (2011)
GIBBY Executive of the Year (2011)
Andrew “Rube” Foster Award as NL Executive of the Year (2012)
Hahaha! See what I mean about the butt-hurt Card fans!! lmao at card81
Not that butt-hurt. I was optimistic that some of the moves that were made last offseason would pan out a little better than they did, I am pretty sure most didn’t expect all that much out of Waino this season, till he came into Spring pitching outstanding. That said the Cardinals have dealt with a load of injuries to key pieces this year and have really done reasonably well considering. They really aren’t in nearly as bad a shape as they were in 2011 so I don’t think you are going to see them roll over any time soon. A lot of baseball yet to be played.
How am I butt hurt? Really buddy you think you are something don’t you…sorry I made your post seem stupid and way off base…I guess really you’re the butt hurt guy…idk
Ur butt-hurt because when I scan comments, cards81 replies to every single comment and obviously can’t handle any objective take on the current state of the Cardinals. If you are connected to reality and current events you can see that vast majority of baseball analysts recognize an organization at the crossroads. It’s not a terrible thing, in fact it happens to every org at some point.
Problems arise when it’s obvious and some people (hopefully not team executives) just refuse to admit it. They go to great lengths to defend bad decisions and sugar-coat reality. Case in point: “They are better now! We have the best fans in baseball, the best team, best history and we are celebrated. Look at our past…it’s glorious!”
Cards need to own it and respect other organizations that have risen above them.
I’m not even a Cub fan but can clearly see that St. Louis simply can’t accept not being the toast of the division.
It’s easy to sound good and present well when things are going your way, but how fans & org react when they’re down will really expose their true character.
Lol no you’re butt hurt…dude I’m home watching the cardinals beat the Rockies and just defending my team against cub trolls…get over yourself
And if you want to be rationale then I completely understand that the cardinals are at a crossroads…i actually try to explain to my other cardinals fans that we can’t win every year and a downturn was evident…but I believe you thought they were sellers at the trade deadline and that just isn’t true…and the team is better now…just the way they are playing..trust me I watch everyday…they are vastly improved…I think a lot of that has to go to Shildt…the man knows how to play the game…and ever since they let those bad bullpen pieces either go or put them on the DL so the young guys can play…we have had 8 games against the cubs in the second half and split that with them…and I’m happy about that because the cubs are the best teams in the NL…although the dodgers might have something to say about that…then we just took 3 of 4 from a hot Rockies team…so I will say I think you are discrediting them significantly…and Mo is not a bad GM…he’s had a rough go I admit but his resume speaks for itself…and he took over after 2007 I’m which the cardinals were in a tougher spot than they are now
Congrats on finally being rational. You sound like a loyal, informed fan!
lmao at pleepleus18! how are the cardinals doing in this rough stretch
I think trading Pham will ultimately prove to be a mistake. From everything I’ve read about him he has a fantastic work ethic and has a great head on his shoulders. Down season or not, I view him more of a building block for a team usually on the cusp of contention, not a trade piece.
The problem is they have the bad Fowler contract…plus Bader and O’Neil pushing for playin time…I think more O’Neil because they want his power bat…but Bader has the speed and defense…Pham was a good guy but he is 30, injury prone, and bad eyes…the reason it took him so long to reach the majors were because of injuries…I think Pham will be good for at least a couple of more years but they had to see what these two guys can do…Fowler would have been the one to move but we all know that isn’t happening with that contract
The great head on his shoulders is debatable. If you get the chance, look up his rant in the Sports Illustrated interview he did where he bashed the Cards front office. Whether he was right or not, a great head on the shoulders doesn’t bash your boss like that to the world.
Cardinal Nation is crumbling
The Cubs will go through it again as well just watch and see. Success doesn’t last forever.