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NL East Notes: Hoskins, Phillies, Mets, Marlins

By Steve Adams | October 2, 2018 at 9:42am CDT

Rhys Hoskins’ move from first base to left field in 2018 didn’t exactly prove to be smooth, as the young slugger turned in one of the worst statistical seasons of any outfielder in baseball (-24 Defensive Runs Saved, -19 Outs Above Average, -11.3 Ultimate Zone Rating). Hoskins has already spoken about a desire to continue to improve, though he did admit when asked by Matt Breen of Philly.com that he’d prefer to be back at first base in an ideal world. Hoskins emphasized that he’s told both GM Matt Klentak and manager Gabe Kapler that he’ll play wherever he’s asked but spoke about the comfort level he feels at first base as opposed to in the outfield.

In his season-end press conference, Klentak acknowledged that moving Hoskins back to first base is “something we’ve thought a lot about,” Breen writes, though clearly there are numerous moving parts in that scenario. The Phils experimented with Carlos Santana at third base in September, though he comes with his own defensive shortcomings there, and that shift would render Maikel Franco without a spot. Expected offseason pursuits of marquee free agents Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado also figure to factor into the calculus. Though there are dozens of roads the Phils could take to get there, Klentak stressed that “there is no question” that the team needs to improve its defense.

More from the division…

  • With the offseason upon the Phillies, the focus in Philadelphia will shift from Kapler to Klentak, writes Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. It’ll be a pivotal winter for Klentak’s future in the organization, he notes, as there’ll be pressure to generate more success with this offseason’s group of free agents than there was with last year’s crop. Klentak himself spoke about the performance of last year’s group of free agents, noting that Jake Arrieta, Carlos Santana, Pat Neshek and Tommy Hunter were fairly productive on the whole — especially relative to other free-agent signings throughout the league. Without improvement, Brookover, adds, the GM could find himself on the hot seat. It’s an interesting example of the importance of sequencing over the course of a given season; in a vacuum, a 14-win improvement for the Phillies looks like a clear victory. And had the team started poorly or even found a more evenly paced route to an 80-82 finish, the narrative would likely be different. Instead, their late collapse adds sizable pressure to improve even when the year-over-year win total has already generally trended in the right direction.
  • Braves assistant general manager Perry Minasian is of interest to the Mets as they continue to compile a list of GM candidates, reports Mike Puma of the New York Post, though there are not yet any firm indications that the Mets have asked permission to interview him. Puma adds that former Red Sox GM Ben Cherington is a “strong possibility” to receive an interview, as has previously been suggested, though the timing remains unclear. Initial interviews will be conducted by assistant GM John Ricco and COO Jeff Wilpon, Puma notes, with Fred Wilpon unlikely to be heavily involved in the process until finalists have been selected.
  • The 2019 season will have a different feel for the Marlins than the 2018 season, writes Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald. Namely, while the Fish were content to let some players develop at the big league level this past season, there will be more expectations for immediate results next season. Rule 5 picks Elieser Hernandez and Brett Graves will likely spend more time in the minors now that they can be optioned, he notes, while players who struggle (as Lewis Brinson did in the Majors this past season) might be sent back down for more seasoning as the team strives to improve its results. “Obviously, we did some things this year where it wasn’t necessary you had to produce to be here,” said manager Don Mattingly. “But moving forward I have the sense that’s going to change. If you don’t produce, it’s not going to be a year where we’ll let you keep developing. At some point, you’re going to have to produce.”
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  1. jv32

    7 years ago

    Is there a reason why Carlos Santana can’t catch?

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    • bravesfan

      7 years ago

      Cause he sucks at it. But I would try to move him back in the Phillies situation because it makes their lineup better. He can be good enough back there and move someone else to 3rd/1st. Also, if I’m the Phillies Bour’s got to go. No room for someone who isn’t exactly significantly better than his replacements and can’t play any other position.

      Take my advise… I’m quite the armchair GM. Lol

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    • davidcoonce74

      7 years ago

      Santana suffered a concussion at least once as catcher, plus his bat was more valuable in the lineup every day. He wasn’t any good behind the plate defensively either. But the concussion stuff was probably the biggest reason – MLB teams seem to be way better about that stuff than NFL teams….

      But Santana won’t be able to handle third. He is probably going to have to be a DH eventually. Man, I really hope the next CBA brings the DH to the NL. It’s way beyond time.

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      • lowtalker1

        7 years ago

        No dh in the nl ever
        You are not a real baseball fan if you say that

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        • Phillies2017

          7 years ago

          I disagree, I am a huge fan of the DH,. How many pitchers can hit?

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Pitchers hitting is part of the game. You play a position, you are a part of the batting order. Bending rules such as adding the DH are just worsening the purity of the game, and since so many high schools have adapted it, many young pitchers coming out of high school and college didn’t hit and thus are awful hitters.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          The DH has been around for almost 50 years now. The game has survived. And pitchers have always been awful hitters. There’s nothing I dislike about baseball more than watching a pitcher “hit,” or, if there’s a runner on first and less than two outs, bunt. That’s not strategy – that is just capitulation. Every other sport has specialists – baseball is allowed to as well. The American League is the better league pretty much always and a huge part of that is because they don’t waste 11% of their at-bats on a non-hitter.

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        • frankiegxiii

          7 years ago

          I too am against the DH in the National League. I actually enjoy seeing pitchers hit (or try to). If the DH was introduced in both leagues at the same time it’s possible we would never have seen Bartolo’s hilarious AB’s, his homerun, Michael Lorenzen’s emotional HR, we wouldn’t have seen Syndergaard’s 2HR night against the Dodgers which may have won the game for them as they won 4-3 that night, Bumgarners HRs, Greinke and Kershaw putting great efforts at the plate, I know I’m missing so many more memorable pitchers batting moments but these are just some recent moments I can think of. I hope they never bring the DH to the NL, baseball is fine how it is, we don’t need more/less strikeouts, home runs, mound visits, times allowed to make pitcher changes, etc. If anything football is the sport that needs a change, isn’t there only like 11 minutes of actual play in football and the other three or four hours is dudes walking around?

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          You do understand that with the DH there might be less pitching changes, right?

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          The DH ruins a lot of strategy. Double switches, bunting, pinch hitting, most of the strategy comes with pitchers hitting. Bench players have less of a role.

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        • baseballhobo

          7 years ago

          National League teams waste around 5% of their at bats on a non-hitter. The pitcher usually bats twice before being replaced by a pinch hitter.

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        • bucketbrew35

          7 years ago

          I used to love watching Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels hit when they played for the Phils..

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        • petrie000

          7 years ago

          It’s not so much that we want to see the pitchers hit as we like the idea of the manager actually having to be awake.

          A DH means there’s pretty much no consequences for making as many pitching changes as you like, so it kills a lot of the strategy some off us actually enjoy

          High scoring baseball isn’t better baseball anyways, because it just means the pitcher’s not doing his job. So yeah, the AL can keep it’s 50 year old publicity stunt to in itself

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        • slowcurve

          7 years ago

          You are not wrong.

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        • baseballhobo

          7 years ago

          The DH will come to the NL due to injury concerns. If a starting pitcher is making $28 million per season, his team doesn’t want him to get hurt swinging a bat or running the bases.

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        • HartnellDown

          7 years ago

          I’ll take a DH in the NL in a heartbeat. I def would rather have an extra batter in the line up, not to mention the benefits for pitching changes.

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        • Marc (Phillies Phan)

          7 years ago

          I agree that pitchers cannot hit. But the DH should be abolished at all levels, only in my opinion.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Yes, I always go into a game hoping to see a double switch or a bunt – bunting with a pitcher is not strategy – it is just acceptance that pitchers can’t hit.

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        • its_happening

          7 years ago

          You do understand that pitching changes are inevitable in today’s game regardless of a DH or not?

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        • Out of place Met fan

          7 years ago

          Anything that would rob baseball fans of watching Bartolo Colon hit is blasphemy.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Saying people aren’t real baseball fans because they like the DH is ridiculous. And what has more strategy anyways? Am i going to walk the eight hitter to get to the pitcher? Or am I going to walk David Ortiz or Edwin Encarnacion to get to the four hitter?

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        • SaltLakeBrave

          7 years ago

          @lowtalker1, I could not agree more. I can’t even watch American League “baseball”. To me it’s like watching softball. I am a National League guy through and through. Let the AL keep their DH, but let the NL stay true to what they are.

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        • halfbakedmcbride

          7 years ago

          Yea!!!! Preach!!!

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        • ericm25

          7 years ago

          I agree. eventhough the DH would help the phils I still do not want the dh in the nl. so much better baseball the rhe 4 to 4.5 hrs of al baseball. I wish MLB would stop with interleague play. I think it ran its course. modified the shift where all infielders must play in the infield not in shallow right field. just my 2 cents worth .

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        • RaeRae

          7 years ago

          Agreed. NO DH In the National League!!!

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      • braves25

        7 years ago

        Hopefully the next CBA gets rid of the DH in the AL! LOL

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        How is that when MLB learned the protocols from the NFL?

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Because MLB seems to take the concussion protocols seriously? Perhaps it is because MLB has a much better player’s union; the NFLPA can’t even negotiate guaranteed contracts, let alone figure out a way to enforce the concussion protocol.

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          “the NFLPA can’t even negotiate guaranteed contracts” well that’s because guaranteed contacts are ridiculous in the business of a sports league. Please explain the actual guidelines of the MLB concussion protocols, please show how they take these concussions more seriously.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Well, I don’t want to link to a hundred articles and this site doesn’t want me to do so either, but just google “NFL players chronic traumatic encephalopathy” and read about guys in their 50s who can’t remember their names or how to use the bathroom. MLB teams, like, say, the Twins, moved Mauer out from behind the plate as soon as he suffered his, what, 3rd concussion? MLB teams immediately place concussed players on the 7-day concussion DL – NFl teams just let them come back the next week because, “Hey, it’s been 7 days!” The post-career lives of NFL players is pretty horrifying, if you’d like to do some research into it. And, ummm, baseball isn’t a contact sport.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          Oh, and explain why guaranteed contracts are a bad thing. I’m genuinely curious.

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        • chrisones

          7 years ago

          Guys, I’ve got an idea.

          Why don’t we just have offensive and defensive squads in baseball?

          No one is paying to see guys like Rhys Hoskins take the field, even at first. Sign James Loney to be the 1st Baseman, then sign Hoskins to hit 5th. It’s a win-win, right?

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          The NFL, for whatever reason, is the most popular sport on earth, and this is how they operate.

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        • Out of place Met fan

          7 years ago

          Futball fans around the globe will disagree.

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        • chrisones

          7 years ago

          That’s exactly because it’s how you play football.

          It’s not, however, how you play baseball.

          Do you suggest we go to an oblong ball and substitute the gridiron for the diamond as well? Where does it end?

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    • JJB

      7 years ago

      I know there are multiple components of a catcher’s defense, but I didn’t realize how awful he was at framing pitches. Of the 15 worst single season RAA ratings over the last decade, Santana is on the list twice. Then again, so is Salvador Perez.

      statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php
      (Choose “All” under the ‘Season’ dropdown and sort by RAA.)

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  2. sean707

    7 years ago

    Because he is not good at it.

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  3. antsmith7

    7 years ago

    The Santana signing made no sense. Would have signed him for one or two years.

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    • Slevin

      7 years ago

      Since the Phillies mismanaged the signing of Santana, who honestly thinks they can be trusted with the signing of Harper or Machado?

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      • Brixton

        7 years ago

        Machado and Harper aren’t going to block better players

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          Yea, but this organization seems rather in disarray, from the manager to the player development in general.

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        • Brixton

          7 years ago

          not really. They just have too many players who could* be regulars, and not even time to play them all, so they have to try to make it work.

          The GM is bad in my opinion (Santana, Hellickson, etc), but Kapler is worth another look, and they need to trade some guys

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          Doesn’t really seem that they actually have a clear path for the future. What will they do with Franko, Quinn, and Kingery? With Kapler at the helm are they honestly sure he could seriously manage Harper, and Machado? They have the salary room to sign both, but with these distractions would those guys really want to sign? Just a few questions.

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Quinn? A legit player? Quinn is AAAA. Kingery needs to be packaged for a SP. Franko they keep.

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        • bucketbrew35

          7 years ago

          baseball1600 obviously hasn’t watched a game of Phillies baseball to be making such comments. Quinn was excellent this year, the key is his health. Franco can’t get on base and has stone hands. Kingery needs more development time and his value is down so you’re not going to get a SP worth of value for him if you flip him.

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          Quinn IMO has high upside, so what is this guy talking about?

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  4. Gomez Toth

    7 years ago

    I ask this seriously: what professional in their right mind would take the Mets GM job? Going in you would be forced to accept an endless stream of “consultations” from not just the two conflicted owners, but also Ghidorah The Three-Headed Quasi-GM, and likely also Alderson when he is sufficiently recovered. That’s five, and perhaps six, intransigent executives riding your back (if not knee-capping you), and an organizational structure/hierarchy that is too diseased to decipher. Sure, a complete amateur like me would take the job if only for the pay raise. but an actual, legitimate baseball professional? What am I missing here?

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    • roguesaw

      7 years ago

      I was going to reply “Dan Duquette”, but given your description, working for the Angeloses in Baltimore might be a better job.

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    • joshua.barron1

      7 years ago

      The $$$. Make some money, pad your resume, move on in a few years

      Reply
    • GarryHarris

      7 years ago

      I’m sure the next Mets GM is waiting for my recommendations: Hire Joe Giardi, Mike Scioscia or Buck Showalter (if available) Try to package OF Yoenis Cespedes and 1B Dominic Smith off to the Mariners for 2B Robinson Cano and OF Ben Gamel or to the Rangers for CF Delino DeShields, IF Jurrickson Profar and 1B Joey Gallo or to the Phillies for Carlos Santana and Roman Quinn. Address the bullpen and go after 3 Supersubs..

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      • baseball1600

        7 years ago

        Literally who would take a failed 1B prospect and an overpayed injury prone player who is worse than your entire outfield roster.

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        • baseball1600

          7 years ago

          Gallo alone isn’t worth Cespedes and Smith, let alone packaged with Profar and DeShields

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      • mikeyank55

        7 years ago

        Gary—this isn’t fantasy baseball. In the real world there is NOT a single Qualified candidate that will jeopardize their reputation talking to the Muts.
        Nobody wants their junk either. Time to suck it up and accept that another losing season begins in 6 months. In between they will give you the Wilpon shuffle with could have beens, would have beens and almosts as they meander through the hot stove passing out cheap ice pops.

        BTW-the problem is not the manager anyway. It’s not the GM—lack thereof nor surplus of unqualified over the hill wannabe’s either.

        It’s Mutt Ana Jeff…owners who wear bandit masks on all of the days before and after Halloween.

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      • kevnames42

        7 years ago

        Literally NONE of those hypothetical trades would merit a callback from any of those teams

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  5. GarryHarris

    7 years ago

    Carlos Santana and Tommy Hunter @ $30M. I’m sure the Tigers would take them straight up in exchange for Miguel Cabrera.

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    • baseball1600

      7 years ago

      Phillies don’t have a need for Cabrera.

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    • T_Rexx2

      7 years ago

      That is a terrible idea for all involved

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  6. resident

    7 years ago

    Ricco and Jeff doing the selection process. Guess Ricco won’t lose his job and the Mets will be analytic driven. Fred needs to step up and revive old time baseball and get ahead of the trend. Notice winning teams TEND to now hit to all fields to beat the Shift. Those still winning by pulling everything tend to play in parks where routine fly balls land in the third row.

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  7. baseball1600

    7 years ago

    I remember when people called the Carlos Santana signing a good deal. Lol. Phillies were dumb for signing an average player to an above average contract.

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    • bucketbrew35

      7 years ago

      You called Quinn a AAAA player. Your player talent evaluation abilities are extremely suspect especially since Santana has always been an above average offensive (and most of the time defensive) player.

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      • sean707

        7 years ago

        I really like Santana as an offensive threat with the power and patience combo. But the Phillies seemed like a weird fit for him from the beginning. He would be much better suited in the AL where he can split time between first and DH.

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      • baseball1600

        7 years ago

        Quinn is AAAA. Just watch him in 2 years time. Complete garbage hitter.

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        • DadsInDaniaBeach

          7 years ago

          Didn’t watch much Phillies baseball, huh?
          When in the game, he changed everything to the better.

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    • DadsInDaniaBeach

      7 years ago

      At no time have I ever seen a single posted comment that Santana was a good get. It was downright stupid. They had Tommy Joseph and Hoskins. Didn’t need another 1St baseman.

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  8. its_happening

    7 years ago

    The Hoskins D issue should be a surprise to nobody. When I was telling you Santana was a bad signing and an overpay the WAR people took me to task. When I told you the signing was going to hurt the team’s D and Hoskins should be the 1B, you ignored it.

    Meh, whatever. Philly can compound their bad signing with another this offseason. Or more.

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    • Cam

      7 years ago

      Who are you talking about? Most people acknowledged it was a questionable signing – hell, I can recall the discussion at FanGraphs (who are at the forefront of publicly available analysis) ripping apart the signing from day 1.

      Reply

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