After nearly four months of waiting, Manny Machado’s free agency came to a close Tuesday when he agreed to terms with the Padres on a 10-year, $300MM contract that represents the largest free-agent contract ever signed in American professional sports. Only Giancarlo Stanton’s 13-year, $325MM contract has ever guaranteed a player more money. Machado was pursued by other teams, most notably the Phillies, White Sox and (early in the offseason) the Yankees. While New York was already known to be out of the mix for Machado, the other two primary suitors still had hopes of reeling in one of the offseason’s biggest fish. With that in mind, here are some early reactions to the agreement and some notes on how those who missed out on Machado may proceed in the wake of today’s news…
- Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets some insight into how the negotiations themselves played out. Machado’s agent, Dan Lozano of the MVP Sports Group, initially asked teams to submit their best offers in the final week of 2018. At the time, Machado had six clubs involved to varying extents. Those offers were shy of the $300MM guarantee Machado’s camp coveted, though, and rather than simply take the best offer presented, the agency continued working to drive up Machado’s price tag. Ultimately, of course, that proved to be a wise strategy. It’s not known just where Machado’s offers sat in early January, though Lozano made the rare move to publicly speak out against reports on Machado’s market, emphatically calling reports of Machado’s top offer sitting at seven years and $175MM “inaccurate and reckless … [and] completely wrong.”
- The White Sox offered Machado a higher annual value than the Padres but less guaranteed overall money, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter links). Chicago’s top bid for Machado was a $250MM guarantee over an eight-year term with vesting options and incentives that could’ve escalated the contract’s value to $350MM. It’s rare, however, to see players max out their incentives and escalators (particularly on a deal of this length), so it’s not surprising that Machado opted for the larger guarantee. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale adds a bit more context, reporting that Chicago’s proposal contained a pair of $35MM vesting options in addition to incentives and escalators.
- Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune writes that a high-ranking Padres official flatly informed him that the team will not sign Bryce Harper following the agreement with Machado. The Padres’ payroll will be in the neighborhood of $110MM — a franchise record — but while ownership is clearly willing to spend more than ever before in 2019, it’d still be a shock to see another seismic addition. Despite that report, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Friars won’t completely rule out adding Harper. The Padres have clearly done their due diligence on Harper, so perhaps they’ll continue to lurk on the periphery in case Harper’s view on a shorter-term deal changes.
- Acee’s column also offers a look at how the Padres came to reach an agreement with Machado. San Diego, according to Acee, hadn’t even expressed legitimate interest, let alone discussed an offer, until mid-January. Their early meetings revealed the asking price to be considerably higher than expected, but, as Acee notes, general manager A.J. Preller’s “creativity and relentlessness” ultimately swayed ownership into approving the expenditure. At this time, Acee adds, there’s no immediate plan to add another starting pitcher to the mix. Friars fans in particular will want to be sure to read the column in its entirety, which contains quotes from several Padres players on the reported agreement.
- Although Phillies owner John Middleton infamously spoke of spending “stupid” money early in the offseason, the price for Machado apparently reached a point where the team’s baseball operations officials simply weren’t comfortable. “There’s a certain value that we believe a player brings and we were willing to get aggressive on this,” general manager Matt Klentak told Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Daily News. “If the reports are true, then this contract will exceed our valuation, and sometimes you have to be willing to walk away.” Klentak confirmed that the Phillies are still interested in Harper but cautioned that the team simply wouldn’t allow itself “to be put into a position where we have to do something at all costs.” There’s no way of knowing whether the Phils objectively value Harper at a higher number than Machado, but agent Scott Boras will likely be aiming to topple Machado’s guarantee and Klentak didn’t speak like someone gearing up for a bidding war.
- White Sox general manager Rick Hahn expressed “frustration” and “disappointment” after learning of Machado’s deal with the Padres, writes Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times. The Sox met with Machado’s camp Monday and presented an increased offer (as noted above), believing that may put them over the edge. Ultimately, though, it seems as though owner Jerry Reinsdorf knew the point at which he felt he had to walk away. “[The Padres’] ownership group did a great job in trumping everyone else,” said Hahn while also commending Reinsdorf’s “willingness to step up” with what would’ve easily been a franchise-record contract for the ChiSox, who have never signed a player for more than Jose Abreu’s $68MM. Hahn indicated that the White Sox eventually topped out because of a need to “project putting together a total winning roster, and keeping the young players that will ultimately earn into greater dollars themselves.” As for the money earmarked for Machado, Hahn said it would be spent, though not necessarily this offseason (Twitter link via Van Schouwen). It’s worth noting, of course, that next winter’s free-agent market has its own share of high-profile names (e.g. Nolan Arenado, Paul Goldschmidt, Chris Sale, Gerrit Cole, Xander Bogaerts, Madison Bumgarner).
Machado was all about the money nothing else.
Dr. Chim Richalds
As he should be.
I disagree. He should also think of his legacy. You can’t take the money with you, but your perception as a person and player lives out there forever. What’s his story line signing with the Padres?
Chance to lead a franchise to it’s first ever championship? Sounds like a decent storyline to me.
Very funny! You need a pitching staff to have a chance.
Look at their farm. It’s loaded with high upside starters not far away.
Ten top 100 prospects. Do you really think they can’t trade for any pitcher they really want?
His legacy is completely dependent on his performance. He only had one chance to get the money.
He wins a WS in SD, he gets both.
Welcome to the adults world.
If the money is close, pick the place you’ll be happiest. It wouldn’t be a hard decision for me, second tier team in murder city, or beautiful weather and endless fish tacos?
All the money, great weather and almost no media scrutiny? Yea, I’ll take that.
wasnt there reports that the white sox offered him 8/350?
Dr. Chim Richalds
It was 8 for 250 with escalators, opt outs, etc, according to reports. KW was as disappointed as I can remember seeing an exec, after missing out on a free agent. Manny got piece of mind for the next decade, 30 million a year, and that farm coming up, is better than the pale hose. Hard to be mad at the guy.
Kw and Hahn are bummed but their package no matter how WSox fluff it was inferior to padres so if you ain’t first you’re last. Man up and accept your defeat! FYI I’m diehard WSox fan
That’s true of the overwhelming majority of free agents.
News Flash, sherlock. Players like money.
Everybody likes money. Anyone who say’s otherwise is a liar.
What about Gandhi, hmmm?
Gandhi is dead.
So is pretty much every ballplayer
So is pretty much everybody.
So are Owners/Companies/CEO’s/Entertainers, Etc. Might be a Shocker to you, but It’s a somewhat universal thing .
do you work for free? if someone offered you a ton more to do the same job, would you leave for more money? we all know the answer. don’t kid yourself
At 250 million number I think I would just pick where I like best. San Diego is a lot better place to live than Chicago.
Bingo. They have a hot blonde chick factory somewhere in that city.
You would give up $50 million dollars? I call BS on that. For that much more money you would play in Anchorage during the winter.
Almost literally every player in baseball is about the money. Players rarely take pay cuts in order to win. There are examples here and there, but the overwhelming majority players would take more money even if it meant playing for a losing team.
And you care because…?
Yeah , and the owners are about the fans nothing else.
The Padres have a ton of young talent that should lead to a bright future. Machado got the huge payday and he will have a chance to win
Nothing wrong with that; the only problem is when a trade demand is requested because the player is miserable losing…
Let me just ask, what city would you rather play in: San Diego or Chicago? I’m pretty sure that San Diego will win that discussion every time. It’s not all money when you have a choice of where to spend the next 8-10 years of your life like that. I would much rather live in San Diego than Chicago.
Of course his off season home is in Miami, so I don’t think he’ll be “living” in San Diego. Plus a great farm system doesn’t guarantee anything.
Idiot, he got money AND gets to play in a beautiful city with the the best farm system in baseball on the rise. Get lost.
And a confiscatory state income tax rate. The People’s Republic of California will be taking quite a big bite.
On the last article about this I saw several posts with links to articles about the taxes in different places and Illinois was higher than California.
Here is the one I posted. cnbc.com/2018/04/10/us-states-with-the-highest-tax…
Fans should really absorb some of these great points. Don’t believe everything you hear, especially during free agency. And don’t be quick to write-off an Agent’s pursuit of dollars – particularly if you’re not going to be here and admit you were wrong.
Plenty of people were hoping Machado would settle for pennies on the dollar, purely because they so desperately wanted their criticisms to be valid. Which they aren’t.
Dr. Chim Richalds
Good points. Chris Sale said it best yesterday, while discussing extension talks with the Red Sox. The players owe it to the players behind them to set or exceed the bar. Settling is bad for future players. I saw a lot of “no player is worth that money” talk today, and whether you like Manny or not, he’s a superstar, and he just got superstar money. I will NEVER understand how many fans side with the owners. They are all Billionaires already, and they profit heavily off these players. I hope Bryce gets more(he definitely will), and I hope Trout gets even more(deservedly) when it’s his time.
Characterizing any of this as all the players vs. all the owners misses the point by a mile.
As a Tiger’s fan, I root for the team, not the owner. While the Tigers could afford the contract just given to Manny, I didn’t want my team being the one giving it. As a mid-market team, more than one player making the big bucks for the long term makes little sense. I would rather see the whole team play winning baseball, than watch one star player. Every contract that signs at this level just makes it harder for my team to compete. Its not anti player, and its not pro owner. Its my selfish desire to see an overall quality product, at a ticket price I can afford.
See Cabrera, Miguel….
You mean all the winning teams and 4 straight playoff berths the Tigers had early in Cabrera’s deal? Ok.
Out in 7…..and now….how’s that working out for them???
What other teams were in the playoffs 60% of the time during the past 7 years? The Dodgers?
Off the top of my head, Yankees, Cubs, Nationals, maybe the Tribe and Red Sox…
Do you think the fans are with the owners or do you think that they see how much money it costs to go to a game and relate that to the cost of players?
I’m not against any player getting as much money as they can (for the record). There’s that old saying – “the problem with the sport is that it’s a business and the problem with the business is that it’s a sport”
Deke….the vast majority of comments I read here on this app are pro player/anti owner…which kinda surprises me…
Interesting. I don’t know why people feel like they need to take a side. The players objective is to get the most amount of money and the owner wants the best value for money. There doesn’t have to be a bad person in that relationship. It just is what it is. I guess it’s just human nature or something??
you don’t understand that the free agents making all this money are just hurting other medium level players who are now going to be phased out in favor of younger cheaper players. The players that need an increase in pay are the ones making minimum salaries.
Players getting contracts this drive up the salaries of every player including those in arbitration. It’s not an end sum game. Baseball revenue is rising. Teams are making more money. Player salaries should rise along with rising revenue for the teams. The scale is set by those at the top, not those at the bottom.
That extends even to the pre-arbitration eligible players. Major league minimum is set at a level that is based on a percentage of the average salary for all players.
Machado more than likely won’t win a WS pending a trade, but it’s clear he just wanted the money.
Clearly, you have not paid attention to the Padres lately.
Their farm system includes a record 10 players in the top 100 prospects, 7 of which who are pitchers and 5 of which will see time in the majors in 2019. Another 11 prospects are 50FV or higher.
Over the past 2 years they have graduated 5 players that were top 100 prospects at the time they were called up including Margot (#26), Renfroe (#41), Lauer (#92), Urias (#23), Mejia (#26).
Other quality young players on the team include Myers, Hedges, Lucchesi, Jankowski, and others that would be starters on nearly any team in the league.
The Padres had the best bullpen in the NL and 2nd only to the Yankees in 2018.
They have the money to spend and they have the farm system to trade for the top of the rotation starter they need to contend. And with all of those players being under team control for 4-10 years, they will get more than one shot.
This is a bad signing. Reminds me of when Texas signed Arod to that deal and set the franchise back a decade or more. Padres have no pitching at all, a long but iffy list of prospects outside of Tatis, and no payroll flexibility.
Padres have s number of good pitching prospects. Chris Paddack. Logan Allen. Even Joey Lucchesi is still a good prospect.
ALL great pitchers were once a prospect so your statement is false.
There payroll was 80 mil before the signing. Still FAR below plenty of other teams. They still have plenty of room to add pieces.
The Padres have to work within the Padres payroll, regardless of other teams payrolls. So how much room is left after adding $30mm?
I find that funny. Everyone assumes that they know the P&L of the teams. I have no idea if they make a lot of money, a little or make a loss. But as far as I can tell there’s no public record of how much teams make or don’t make??
I would think $30mm less than it was before.
In the interview in the article the two owners said they had around $55-65 million of payroll flexibility this season. That does not include signing Machado since that is not official.
Regardless of their profit or loss, the Padres ownership said that their $130 million season ending payroll last year was a level they felt comfortable with or could even surpass for the right players.
Iffy list? Have you looked at the list of players in their system? It is stacked with high ceiling talent. They might not all pan out, but they have such a high volume of high end prospects that they will field a pretty solid team in the near future.
Average is 1 in 5 prospects become starters in the majors. They have 10 in the Top 100.
HonestFeedback WTF you talking about?
You clearly have no idea.
“A long list of “iffy” prospects?
They have one of the best Farm systems “ever”…..not just now.
“No payroll flexibility”?
They have dead money dropping off over the next 2 seasons and even with Machado will only have $70” mil owed in 2021.
I take it you’re not up with the play on current farm systems.
I agree to a point. Tv contracts and revenue sharing weren’t putting $ into teams pockets like now. Everybody can afford a big time $ guy now, just from the tv $. They choose not to.
Check that. ATL has supposedly a terrible TV contract that was reported at one time paying between $10-17M/year. I believe it’s been renegotiated, but it’s still one of the worst in MLB and goes until 2028. It’s so bad it was part of the reason the Braves moved from Turner Field (because they relied more on ticket sales and the city wouldn’t allow them to control the area to develop around the stadium). And I don’t see how teams can devote 40-50% of their budget to 1 guy. Sure, they could afford him, but they’d need to have pre-arb players at almost every other position, which just won’t happen.
Just because Texas couldn’t build a WS winning roster around ARod doesn’t mean that no team can build one around a FA superstar.
A-Rod lived up to his end of the bargain. That contract is more a lesson in what happens when you stop spending. One player can only do so much, if you’re going to make the investment, invest in the whole team.
Will Harper get $350?
Dr. Chim Richalds
I think he will get at least that.
Harper will get in the millions.
One billion dollars…..
Reading this article suggests he may not, The Phillies clearly were not interested in topping the Padres offer despite a front office that seemingly valued Machado more than Harper. Of course ownership ultimately decides such matters and perhaps places more value on Harper based on business and marketing potential.
There’s no certainty and plenty of doubt that the White Sox will allocate the Machado dollars (or more) to now make a run at Harper although I believe he fits their organization better than Machado, both as a hitter in their lineup and as a business investment in a market that has seen the Cubs pass their South Side neighbors in popularity during the Jerry Reinsdorf ownership era. If this is the case, who exactly will be the Phillies competition in signing Harper to the long term guaranteed contract he and Scott Boras seek?
That’s what he wants, but if he had an offer there he would already be in spring training somewhere. He is likely now shooting for $325, and will end up somewhere close to that.
Boras has said all along that they were looking for a deal that would be for 10+ years and would be a record AAV. Greinke makes $34.5 million AAV, so that would put Harper’s asking price at 10/345 or more.
I don’t think so, and I also don’t think he’s worth it. Machado puts up more consistent numbers. Harper has a higher ceiling, but he’s also prone to putting up only OK numbers.
I think Harper is just in it for the money…….
Where’s the pitching?
If you’re going to spend like an imbecile, spend on pitching…..
Google “Padres top 30 prospects”.
Or “top 100 mlb prospects”.
The Padres have 4 of the top 10 LH starting prospects in their system…including #1 in Gore….and Morejon,Allen and Weathers.
And those are just the left handlers.
Add Quantrill,Baez,Patino and Espinoza and THAT is where the pitching is.
Machado signed a TEN years deal…..not a one year deal.
The Pitching is coming….besides,they also have Joey Lucchesi,Dinelson Lamet and Garrett Richards for 2020.
Don’t forget Lauer, Strahm, and Mitchell, all who are currently penciled into the Padres starting rotation.
Most people forget about Anderson Espinoza too. Saw an article that Espinoza came into camp throwing mid-90s and wowing everyone. He was the #13 overall prospect in baseball when he had to have the TJ surgery. It will take him time to get control of his breaking stuff after an injury like that, but once he starts throwing in game conditions he will rocket up the prospect charts. He was throwing a 100 mph FB at 17-18 years old.
Wow… Bet on yourself and make $50 million more, or get $50 million less and not have to worry about how well you play.
Should be interesting to look back, 10 years from now. Good luck to the Padres. Hopefully this doesn’t ruin them, a midmarket team with a razor thin margin for error on these types of deals… Looks like they’re doubling down now since the Hosmer deal is well on its way to being a bust, or total disaster.
Nobody ever gets all the escalator bonuses. In this case he bet smart.
Phillies owner is full of bovine excrement!
And the MLB Players are actually threatening to strike? Go work with some disabled kids for awhile and get a perspective. Yeah owners make money and sure the distribution may be unequal, but it’s like that everywhere.
They don’t have to work with disabled kids, because they have rare talents that only a select few in the world have. That’s the perspective
Yeah so do teachers, doctors, fire fighters. And the MLB players whine to the media about how unfairly they are treated.
Please let me know when doctors, teachers, firefighters can fill a 50k stadium of fans. Don’t be a hater because athletes, just like EVERY other industry want to be compensated what they think their value is. Teachers NEVER strike and whine to media, right? Oh wait, never mind.
Really? I’ll give you (some) doctors, but I’m not sure what “rare talents” teachers and fire fighters have that only a select few in the world have.
Let me know how many sports figures can truly inspire a young person to strive and improve his or her circumstances; Fire fighters and teachers or Bryce Harper and Manny Machado?
Well… ask current MLB/NFL/NBA players WHO “inspired” them to make it to highest levels in there respective sports, and I’ll bet the overwhelming majority of them will say it was previous athletes that inspired them.
Of the 7 billion people on the planet –
About 900 people have the skills and conditioning to play major league baseball in any given year.
There are about 3.6 million elementary and secondary school teachers at public schools in the US. Another 600k or so at private schools and 400k at colleges and universities.
The reason people, probably including you since you are commenting on a baseball website, are willing to pay so much money to go see them play is because of the extreme rarity of MLB players skillset.
If you want teachers to be paid more, the solution is simple. Vote for the bond issues that come up locally to fund education. That almost always means an increase in property tax. Put your money where your mouth is.
Most of them DO work with disabled kids or other disadvantaged kids. MLB players volunteer at a much higher rate than the general public. When I played that number was close to 100%.
Dr. Chim Richalds
Spoken like a true communist. Go work with disabled kids? Really man? These guys are professional athletes. The best of the best. Why shouldn’t they be paid accordingly? What a stupid comment.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
spoken like a heartless capitalist.
A lot of players, like Buster Posey, devote time and money to charitable endeavors.
and a lot of players actually do!
Teachers and doctors already work with disabled kids.
The disabled kid isn’t getting any money no matter what the players make. It either goes to them or the billionaire owner charging you 15 bucks for a hotdog.
That’s the perspective here. Every bleeding heart argument about anyone not connected to baseball in any way is painfully naive on the part of the the person putting it forward.
Unfair is unfair, and letting it stay unfair doesn’t help some hypothetical disabled kid in the slightest.
As much as I hate Kevin Acee…. I hope he’s right about there being virtually no chance the Padres sign Harper now. Stay away from him at this point
As a Padres fan, I was in shock reading the signing. Hosmer and Machado mixed with our prospects may indicate a rapid turn around.
Machado chose the right team. He can enjoy the beautiful SD weather as he takes his leisurely stroll around the bases.
Does San Diego now go after Keuchel to further boost the team?
“He’s allllll about the money”
Well yeah…no one is gonna play for free.
Soooo the Braves just barely missed out?!…dang, hopefully next time
Good for San Diego! Their sports fans needed something after the Chargers skipped out.
Those “escalators” are totally misleading. If he actually hit those it means he was so good he could just take the opt out on the Padres’ offer and make more money.
Those escalators and incentives included being MVP, winning Gold Glove, being WS MVP, and several levels of PA escalators that only would apply if the options were picked up.
Plus several people are saying that the 8/250 “final offer” by the White Sox was actually much less with multiple option years and included no trade protection or opt out.
Included no trade protection, or did nor include trade protection?
I read something similar. The incentives and escalator clauses included winning the MVP, winning the Gold Glove, All-Star appearances, winning the WS MVP, and several escalator clauses that were for PA and he had to have 600 PA at age 35 and 36 for his options to vest the following years. There was no way he would achieve all of them or even half of them.
Ok I’m so over Machado now he can be Johny no hustle full time. So over him. Never liked him because he isnt worth it
I’d be ok with Johnny No Hustle with the Braves if Johnny hits 30+ Homer’s, 120 Rbi’s and is a stud defense at 3rd. Come on over here Machado, we’ll take it lol
120 RBI’s at Petco for someone who never hit over 100? Ok.
Considering RBI are completely dependent on the skills of your team, and Machado spent a lot of time on frankly garbage teams, I’m not sure that 120 is out of reach…
Machado had 107 RBI in 2018. You are right though, RBI depends on your teammates getting on base in front of you.
Padres could be a force for a number of years IF they can trade for a young, top of the rotation SP AND a few of their SP prospects pan out.
Machado, Hosmer, Tatis, Urias, Myers, Reyes, Margot, Renfroe is a solid offensive core. Add Mejia as well but something tells me that he could me moved for a SP in a year or two. With a potent lineup like that, going with a defensive-minded catcher is usually the better bet.
Gonna be a long summer in the Bronx when Andujar goes into a sophomore slump.
The Padres payroll was $130 million at the end of 2018. Talking about just the payroll on opening day is a ludicrous way to measure how much money a team spent in any given season. The Padres ownership has said that $130-135 million is a range they feel is something they can do every year. With a revenue of $266 million I would have to agree.
$30M/Year isn’t just relying on Manny to bring your team to the Promised Land, it’s a sign of absolute confidence in your farm.
This signing takes a lot of courage and, while never a Padres fan, I hope it all works out as a baseball fan
Well looks like the Dodgers are gonna be the new last place team to fill in for the Padres. LA is going to be on pace for 100 losses with that disgusting, LH heavy lineup. And they no longer have Machado! Instead an inconsistent Seager. Haha!
If the Dodgers lose 100 games this season, i will
personally deliver everything i own to your doorstep.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
1600 – Take the offer. I know a really good (and reliable) hitman/bouncer. I will check in with Holycow to see what he owns. I mean if all he has is 3 Bob Dylan records and some furniture and outdated electronics, I’d take a pass. If I find the offer to be legitimate and worthwhile, I’ll get holycow to draw up a legal contract. I’m gonna need 70/30, though. That’s 70 on my end. All it will take if 5 key Dodgers. We can try it the easy way first, but, you know….Just leave that all up to me.
‘going to be on pace’ is not even English
To be ‘on pace’ for something, there has to be an actual trend in place. And claiming a trend is going to happen based on nothing but personal bias is frankly idiotic. You literally cannot have any evidence to support such a claim, it’s not possible.
I think Manny’s numbers take a big hit in Petco Park.
I’m not so sure. Camden is definitely more of a hitters park than Petco (virtually every park is), but Petco is suited more for right-handed power, IIRC, and Camden for left-handed power. Plus, Manny is entering his prime, so you would expect a general increase in numbers, or at least they would balance each other out and you’ll see him put up similar stats.
Is there a reason we say it’s the largest FA signing in “American sports history”? Is there some international athlete FA that signed for more? It’s just “sports history” … period … right?
Believe it or not Canelo Alvarez as a boxer signed a 5 year 11 fight 365 million dollar deal so thats why they say that
Lionel Messi signed a contract in 2017 which included a €50 million bonus, €30 million salary ($36 million a year) and a whopping €700 million buyout. He makes almost $700,000 a week.
But that was an extension.
Pale Hose = pale offer
What’s next for White Sox without Machado? mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-look-at-options-af…
Step up and offer Bryce Harper a similar deal to what they gave Manny Machado but up the guarantee from 8 to 10 years. The AAV offered to Machado was $31.25MM ($250MM / 8 years). Make it 10 years which gives Harper and Scott Boras a win over Machado with a $312.5MM total value deal breaking Machado’s record FA deal in a matter of days. Keep the same Machado incentives in place that could still net Harper a $350MM contract which would beat the extension given to Giancarlo Stanton by the Marlins a few years ago. From many reports circulating, it still seems that neither Harper or Machado have/had a particular fondness to play in Philadelphia. Machado already is already headed to San Diego who not only outbid the White Sox but also the “stupid money” the Phillies were offering. My guess is that Harper would rather play in Chicago than Philadelphia with the money being equal. Make it so JR and all will be forgiven with White Sox fans.
IMO, Harper is a better fit with the White Sox future batting order and also a better business and marketing investment than Machado. The extra dollars could be recouped in more ticket sales, TV revenue and specific Harper marketing of MLB apparel and goods with the White Sox logo. In 3 years when the White Sox are solid World Series contenders they can then entice FA Kris Bryant to join his pal on the other side of town.
Agree 100%. Harper’s worth it on marketability alone, but the fact that he’s also a high tier player that’s only 26 and could possibly help the Sox lure some other players makes all the sense in the world. I don’t think the Sox should just spend money to spend money, but opportunities like this don’t come along often. Hardly ever, in fact. They missed out on the first one. I really hope they don’t miss out on the second.
Hahahaha, Sux fans are adorable. Again, these are FREE AGENTS. They have to want to sign there (See: Machado) There’s a reason a stud MLB free agent in his prime hasn’t signed on the Southside since Albert Belle (over 25 years ago) and he was literally crazy. Machado clearly believed in the Padres rebuild over the parade of busts the Sux are trotting out there from the same inept and clueless front office that traded Tatis Jr(MLB #1 prospect) for No game James Shields, when they claimed to be “ALL IN” yet finished with a worse record than teams actively tanking. Rick and Kenny are clowns.
The Sox remain irrelevant, and just like the Bulls, JR’s loyalty to inept front office guys will continue to hold the Sox back. Gar/Pax, Rick/Kenny are the laughing stock of front offices.
Preferred the guaranteed money was Laymans terms for did not want to bet on himself. Which tells me he does not care about winning and all he cared about was being the face of the franchise that would pay him the most guaranteed. Every team that missed out on this guy should consider themselves very lucky
Do you know what the incentives and escalator clauses were in the offer? I have read that they included winning the MVP, winning the Gold Glove, All-Star appearances, winning the WS MVP, and several escalator clauses that were for PA and he had to have 600 PA at age 35 and 36 for his options to vest. There is absolutely no way he would hit all or even most of those.
As a Phillies fan, this makes me pretty nervous to read what the brass say. However, I think the Phillies do see Harper as a much more marketable player than Manny, and an additional 50mil is worth the annual boost he would bring over Manny.
What scares me as a Phillies fan is that the people that are supposed to make the baseball on field decisions prefer Machado but the owners want Harper for, as you said, marketing. Philly will regret it as Manny is more consistent. What Harper gains in walks/OBP Manny makes up for in D and consistency
Harper last 5 years bWAR 18.6 (includes his MVP year) 670 games
.282/.401/.525 142 HR 620 K’s 468 BB’s
Machado last 5 years bWAR 25.5 719 games .283/.343/.502 154 HR 518
K’s 258 BB’s
Career splits Harper vs RHP 2782 PA .288/.402/.543…vs LHP 1175 PA
Career splits Manny vs RHP 2963 PA .282/.333/.491… vs LHP 1111 PA
I’m with you Cat – I want no part of Harper.
BTW, who had more fWAR and rWAR the last three seasons – Realmuto or Harper?
Harper/Boras want to get paid on the promise of one MVP season that may turn out to be an outlier.
I wanted Manny and am sorry they didn’t get him, but good for the Pads.
No Harper, Mr. Middleton, please. (IMHO you will soon regret it).
If the White Sox move quickly, they can sign some of Harpers family members and close friends,that will certainly lock up Harper for them.
I was thinking that Pirela would finally be DFA’d to make room for Manny. Then I remembered that the Diaz injury probably threw Jose yet another lifeline.
This was honestly, the best possible outcome. Yet, many of us probably feel like blah. People say it’s good for baseball had Machado gone to one of the top 5 teams (Yankees, etc) and there is sound reasoning behind that; baseball exposure world wide, etc.
Yet, for all the reasons that have been mentioned on here all offseason. The smaller market teams, or teams with plenty of open payroll space have been accused of not spending. One of those teams just spent. So in some way, Machado going to the Padres is a surprisedly positive outcome.
Unless Machado gets hampered by injuries, I would speculate him not being in sunny SD for 10 years. Once he hits 30 yrs old, and sees his talents are wasted toiling away on a team who his competing for the wild card just to get to the post season, frustration will set in and he’ll ry to garner one last mega contract with that opt out.
Besides Petco Park is huge. Cavernous ball parks aren’t friendly to aging power hitters with diminishing bat speed. He would have been better suited in Philadelphia on say, maybe an 8 year deal.
Hopefully he sets a good example for those young up-and-coming Padres by running hard through first.
The player probably brings fans to the stands and improves TV ratings. It sure it’s business… Now, is it
Machado worth this much money? Time will tell…
Why is it the biggest contract in sports if Stanton’s was more? And Kershaw and Greinke are more per year.
Read it again.
LOL – prong this POS – hes exactly where he belongs – out of site, out of mind and up the Dogers arse 18 games a year…..maybe Mad-Bum can tag the bastage in the ribs a few times this year ?
He wrote it was the biggest “free agent” contract. Stanton was an extension
Alverz, a boxer, is the biggest contract in total amount in sports. Machado is the biggest free agent contract in total amount in baseball. Stanton is the biggest extension contract in total amount in baseball. Kershaw has the highest AAV in baseball.
So, Messi’s massive contract doesn’t count because it was an extension? His contract dwarfs all the ones that you mentioned.
Duck Da Duck
North American. Reading is taught in every country.
With the Padres farm system so stacked, I just don’t get why they’d block both corners of the infield for several years. Good luck, Friars, with Not Johnny Hustle
300 million was really beyond what Klentak/Middleton were willing to go? i worry they dont understand the very value of the players they are trying to sign. i dont think Harper is worth more then machado, much less multiple millions each year for the next 10. might as well extend realmuto, trade for a starter, and throw loads of money at Mookie Betts when he’s a FA.
Teams don’t put all their eggs in one basket. They have plan B. Players sign extensions sometimes.
Just to set the record straight, the “cavernous” Petco Park thing is a myth.
Here’s a list of ballpark factors from 2018. It leads with runs scored/per ballpark. Petco is 13th out of 30. It is smack dab in the middle for home runs
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I am not knocking you, because I see it and believe it for 2018; but if you go back and look at other years they are near the bottom. It is kind of subjective with the team that is built. In 2009 for example they were 30th.
CBP is the opposite and more of a bandbox, but on that 2018 list they were 12 and Petco was 13. The Phillies were terrible in 2018 (well after August 12). While the Padres were not great, their pitching was the issue. I am just saying it depends on the makeup of the team too.
Petco now has tall building surrounding it and two new scoreboards which has totally changed the air flow and they have moved the walls in twice. Both of those things have made it pretty much a neutral park.
If the Padres pitching made much of a difference in park factors then it would have been a hitters paradise since their starting staff was the worst in baseball.
When you talk about bandboxes, what you are referring to is how the park plays for home runs. CBP ranked the 4th easiest place to hit a home run in 2018. Petco 16th.
Unpopular opinion but I think the White Sox dogged a bullet by not going to 10 years 300m by year 6 or 7 he’s going to be eating up their payroll
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I am good with this. Glad Klentak walked away as the Friars overpaid (they had to, not a knock) and the Phillies would have been not only stupid, but crazy, to try to compete.
I don’t fault Machado. For $3M a year I would clean all the toilets at Petco let alone $300M
If I was the White Sox ill sign Marwin Gonzalez for a 4 year deal 45million amd try to trade for Arenado or wait until he’s a free agent but I think if he reaches the free agency he will he a Yankee or a Dodger
I think Trump has a better shot at winning a presidential election in Mexico than the padres do of trading for Arenado. Besides Arenado’s arbitration salary is 26 million this year. He is also a better player than Manny, and doesn’t have the character flags that Manny has. The only ways that his next contract doesn’t top Machado’s are if he is hurt, or if he takes a shorter deal like 5 or 6 years instead of 10. Will the Padres be able to afford both contracts for a decade plus the arbitration raises and extensions for their prospects as their careers progress? Teams get in trouble only looking at the short term. The pads have to look at the long term financial feasibility. Besides Machado at SS, Arenado at 3B, Hosmer at 1B…and Tatis where?? Are you suggesting they trade him, or keep him on the bench until the NL has a DH and use him as a DH? I mean Manny and Nolan would be awfully expensive for DH hitters.
Congratulations Padres eat that White Sox
How much is 30 mil after California taxes?
Tricky question. If he lived in CA year round he would pay 37% fed and 13%+ in state. If he keeps his FL home as his permanent residence he is better off, he just has to prove that FL is his home.
Every player pays the so-called “Jock Tax” in each MLB city the visit except TX, FL and DC. They are the only MLB states etc without a Jock Tax. A $300m contract is not worth the same everywhere.
For instance if Harper signs for the same $300m with DC he will take home much more money sine he will play so many games in DC and FL.
Are you sure about that? My home of residence is in Florida, but I do travel nursing and have to pay state taxes where I work, and file tax returns in all of those states. Working in California would subject him to paying California state taxes for the money he earns while in California. If players could skip out on state taxes by having their permanent address in a no state tax place like Florida then all of them would have their permanent address in one of the seven states without state tax.
If he played all 162 of his games in California he would be in the 13.3% tax bracket. He would not necessarily pay 13.3% in income tax. I am in that bracket for 2018, although I make about 4% of what he will earn annually, and I paid less than 2% in state income taxes.
Oh good, another person who erroneously thinks that taxes determine where these guys go.
Obviously it is not the number one factor in their decisions, but I am sure it plays a role at times. X amount in a state with no tax is worth a lot more than that same amount in California when you consider the 13% state tax and the cost of living difference. Obviously it comes down to personal preference. If a player really wants to live in Cali and thinks it is worth the hit to the wallet then they will sign there. However, if a Cali team offers a player the same dollar amount as a Florida or Texas team offers them then they would be ignorant to not at least consider their actual take home pay after taxes and living costs. Then again at 30 million a year it really doesn’t matter since they will be rich either way.
Well I’d take Arenado and Goldy forsure since we aren’t spending the money this offseason
AGAIN, these players have to WANT to play there. These aren’t trades, these are projected free agent signings. Thanks to the Cubs, the Sox are irrelevant in their own market and definitely in the national scene. Machado literally chose the F’n Padres over the Sox (in spite of their thirsty desperation in signing all of Machado’s bum friends and relatives hahaha, what do you do with those guys now?) Now you think Trout? Arrenado? Goldshmidt? Are all of a sudden going to want to sign on the Southside? Hahaha, sure.. just like Manny did in spite of NO big market, contending teams offering him a contract… the Sox STILL couldn’t lure him in. Stop fooling yourselves, not a good look.
Machado signed with SD because he offered the most money. Nothing less, nothing more. If the White Sox wanted him there was one way to do it.
You assume the cards don’t lock up Goldy and the Yankees don’t outbid you for Arenado.
What is Manny’s likely net pay, after taxes, generally speaking on this deal?