Feb. 21: The Padres have formally announced the signing and confirmed the terms of the contract (10 years, $300MM). To clear room on the 40-man roster, right-hander Dinelson Lamet was transferred to the 60-day injured list.
Per Heyman, the deal will pay Machado $30MM annually and contain a six-team no-trade clause (Twitter links). Technically, the first season of the deal is paid out in the form of a $10MM salary and a $20MM signing bonus — that latter of which is not subject to the same level of taxation as Machado’s actual salary. Machado will play third base in San Diego.
Feb. 19, 10:20pm: Machado’s deal doesn’t contain any deferred money, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets.
6:23pm: Machado’s deal will contain limited no-trade protection, Passan tweets. The contract should be formally announced Thursday or Friday, he adds.
12:58pm: There are some key elements of the deal still to be worked out, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link). Notably, the sides have yet to hammer out terms on trade protection. That said, it seems the final pieces are not expected to pose an obstacle to the contract’s completion. Machado will receive the $300MM on a fairly evenly spread basis, with the opt-out chance midway through the deal.
11:27am: The Padres have agreed to terms on a free agent contract with star infielder Manny Machado, according to ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan (via Twitter). It’s a ten-year, $300MM deal for the MVP Sports Group client, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (Twitter link). The contract includes an opt-out after the fifth season, per Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link).
Nothing is formally concluded here, it bears noting. If nothing else, it seems a physical will still need to be completed. Padres chairman Ron Fowler says a deal is not complete, per Dennis Lin of The Athletic (via Twitter), saying the sides are “continuing discussions.” Of course, that hardly means there isn’t an agreement in principle on the key terms.
Certainly, the White Sox believe they’ve lost their primary winter target. VP Kenny Williams expressed shock in comments to reporters. “We could not go to that $300MM level,” he said (via Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times, Twitter links). Williams indicated that he had believed the South Siders were the high bidders, and he maintains “there was more potential for him to make more here than that reported deal.” It seems, though, that Machado preferred the greater guaranteed money and other elements of his new deal to the structure proposed by a White Sox organization that had rolled out quite a welcome mat, including the acquisition of Machado’s comrades Yonder Alonso and Jon Jay.
It’s a stunning result for the 26-year-old Machado, whose long-running open-market saga has coincided with that of fellow star Bryce Harper. It took some time, but Machado will still spend the bulk of Spring Training with his new teammates.
Last year, the Friars shocked the baseball world by outbidding the market for first baseman Eric Hosmer. Now, they’ve followed up that move with a much bigger commitment to an even better and younger player.
The move plainly sets the Padres organization on a course to compete in the near-term, though the investment will hopefully coincide with a rather lengthy competitive window. It’s reasonable to wonder, though, whether this move sets the stage for further action this winter. The Padres have a fairly crowded outfield group, a ton of top prospect talent, and clear room to improve the MLB pitching staff. They could consider pursuing the top remaining open-market pitchers (Craig Kimbrel, Dallas Keuchel, Gio Gonzalez) while revisiting trade talks on other starters.
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It’s not hard to see how this signing could have a ripple effect in the market, with the potential for a highly intriguing late-spring reignition of the hot stove. If nothing else, there’s now a clear mark for Harper to try to top, with several teams potentially interested in landing him after missing on Machado.
The 10/300 price is precisely where many anticipated Machado landing at the outset of the market. It sets a free agent record in terms of total guarantee, at least before adjusting for inflation, though falls shy of Giancarlo Stanton’s extension and may soon be topped by Harper’s own deal.
Despite his excellence to this point of his career, and the promise of many more productive seasons to come, Machado entered the market with some questions. He raised eyebrows with some questionable acts and words during the postseason, leaving many fans — and perhaps some organizational leaders — with the sense that, as he himself put it, he’s “not the type of player that’s going to be ’Johnny Hustle.'”
Clearly, those oft-cited comments didn’t cost Machado a chance at a massive contract. He also picked up support of several former teammates and coaches, so it’s not as if there weren’t countervailing facts. Clearly, though, the ill-advised words didn’t help his cause. We’ll never know the full extent of the impact, but reduced interest from even a single potential suitor could have changed the way the market took shape. The Yankees never fully engaged despite making sense on paper, while it seems the Phillies passed on a chance to outbid the more budget-conscious Padres, though those and other organizations were surely weighing other factors as well.
In truth, the hustle chatter held such attention in no small part due to Machado’s otherwise mostly impeccable resume. He has topped 6 fWAR in three of the past four seasons, owing to a combination of outstanding glovework and well-rounded offensive production. Despite some knee issues earlier in his career, Machado has played all 162 games in two seasons (2015, 2018) and missed just 11 total contests in the two intervening campaigns.
Over his seven seasons in the majors, Machado carries a .282/.335/.487 batting line with 175 home runs. That perhaps understates his present ability with the bat, though, as Machado has posted 130+ wRC+ campaigns in three of the past four years and has hit between 33 and 37 long balls in all four seasons. He has also successfully honed his plate discipline over the years, setting career-best marks in 2018 with a 9.9% walk rate and 14.7% strikeout rate.
It’s a more interesting question on the defensive side of things. Machado had long graded as an outstanding defender at third base, but drew negative reviews upon shifting back to his native shortstop in 2018. Of course, the numbers reversed somewhat after he landed with the Dodgers in a mid-season trade, perhaps indicating that he still has the potential to handle short at an average or better clip if surrounded by the appropriate analytical resources and adjacent defenders.
Regardless, the plan seems to be for Machado to slide back to the hot corner in San Diego. The club has been searching for a piece there all winter long. Indications are that Luis Urias (with an assist from Greg Garcia) will keep the seat warm at shortstop while uber prospect Fernando Tatis Jr. finishes his development. Urias could ultimately slide back to second, though that position is occupied for the time being by veteran Ian Kinsler. Of course, as noted above, it still seems premature to guess at the overall roster picture, as the Padres could explore a nearly endless variety of complementary moves.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
10 year $300 million. Those fools who thought both Machado and Harper would get $500 million+, where are they at now? I bet Harper gets no more than $320 million.
The only idiots dumber than those who thought they would get $400 mil are those who thought either would get $500 mil.
I don’t recall anyone predicting that much except for Scott Boras…
I’ll tell you where they are now, they’re the ones writing this article.
I don’t think anyone expected the CBA to punish Lux tax teams as harshly as they do currently. Without those penalties it was easily reasonable to expect both players on the open market to exceed Stanton’s deal with the way inflation works.
Only fools here are the people who thought they could predict the PA for negotiation such ludicrous terms that actually hurt the players. Now next CBA they’ll be negotiating to get rid of the terms they negotiated last time around. It’s hilarious.
Your link doesn’t work on the app, is there a way you could send it to me?
10 years 300 million ! I don’t see Machado producing at the age of 35 or 36 like he is now! This is a bad move ! It has Jacoby Ellsbury type ramifications!
I don’t ever recall anybody saying 500 million but I do recall someone saying 13 years 400 million
In 10 years he also won’t be the highest paid player any longer.
Not even close.
Plus I doubt he’s a Padre for the full 10.
Other agents, players, bloggers, so called journalists, sports editorial writers and sports broadcasters (including MLB network and MLB XM radio all predicted 400 ml and 10 or more years.
I don’t remember much above 300 being predicted for Machado. Maybe one person mentioned his name and high 300’s
Not for Machado. It was always right around $30 million AAV for him and that is what he got.
And anyone who believes what comes out of Boros’ mouth anyway has no idea what he’s about. He’s about Boros.
There are big differences between those players… Jacoby was a bag of glass before he signed that deal. Machado has a great track record and produces.. the Johnny hustle quote didn’t help him at all but the reality is he can produce. Will he be worth 30mm? I say he will be and I also feel that in 5 years 30mm won’t be as crazy as it sounds today. The Padres got a good player and it’s awesome to see small market teams spend on a good player.
Negotiating is a game. Agents and owners both say things out of the norm to see what sticks. In my profession, one side says their rock bottom number is X, the other says their final offer is Y. We get into the mediation room and that bottom line number gets further reduced and that “final” offer suddenly isn’t so final. Great for the sport that he signed with SD.
If a WAR is worth about $7M, maybe a bit more, he’s being underpaid slightly right now. Could be overpaid later. He may opt out after 5 and the Padres may be lucky he does.
Jesus. Not this tired argument again. No player will ever opt out in a scenario where his team would “be lucky if he does.”
Two to three years ago when Chris Davis got $161 million and Stanton got $325 people were predicting it.
Id like to see the Contract details
Saying WAR is 7 million a point is ridiculous. Do you believe Didi Gregorius is going to get 28 million per. Do you see Mike Trout getting 75 million per.How about Degrom getting 70 million per.Turning WAR into dollars per year is a ridiculous argument. Try to explain Harpers salary in dollars per year.Using your numbers he’s worth about 10 million per
1 WAR was worth around $4 million if you take total payroll divided by total WAR.
I wasn’t referring to his first five years of performance; that may not have been clear. I meant he may have so great a first five that he opts out … and then has a fairly sharp aging curve.
Actually, you’re right on Harper and I’ve long said that. I wouldn’t pay him more than $22M or so a year, as his one 10-WAR season looks more and more like a fluke.
If he has a great first five years and the Padres are still worried about him having a sharp aging curve, if not for the opt-out they would be able to get value out of the contract via trade. Instead they lose him for nothing. Opt out can only hurt the team.
He won’t opt out,. The Padres will win 65 games next season just as if they didn’t sign him.
This site’s prediction on Machado was 13 years, 390 million. They got the average annual value correct, but were off by 3 years on the length of contract.
Huh, that’s like saying guys never fall off a cliff. They do, and opt outs haven’t been around long enough yet for us to see which teams dodge a bullet by having their player opt out due to good performance and then enter a steep decline.
Why his defense should stay steady like a lot of other 3B types until he’s really old. Beltre for example was constantly a great fielder until he retired and Machado should also retain that ability as well since having great hands is something that tends to remain with you.
As for his bat, sure. He probably won’t be the same player at 35 that he was at 27. I don’t think anyone is expecting that, if he gives them 7-8 great years and 2 above average years he’s worth it.
Cute story you keep repeating. But how many players have actually opted out in a scenario where their team benefited from it? Other than A.J. Burnett with the Phillies (who knew he wasn’t going to beat the money he was leaving on the table in free agency but spending his last season before he retired pitching for a contender was evidently more important to him), I can’t think of any. It’ll be the same way with Stanton, Machado and Harper. They will opt out if and only if opting out hurts their team.
Machado is 10 times the player Ellsbury ever was.
Boris is not machado agent
How is opt- out bad for the team?
Without the opt-out, if the player is providing surplus value on the contract, the team can either keep the superstar they have signed for below market value or trade him for a haul of prospects. With the opt-out, if the player is providing surplus value on the contract, they have to either up his pay or lose him for nothing.
I remember reading 400m,and I thought that was crazy.But I also understand why.26year old star caliber players don’t reach free agency very often anymore.
1 WAR is worth almost 10 mil running into 2019.
The value of WAR per point is based on free agents only. It was $10.5 million for 2018 according to Fangraphs.
Only free agents are able to negotiate for the top possible dollar value in contracts.
The Padres are off the board in Las Vegas right now until this deal is finalized, but before the signing the Padres were at 78 wins. This signing makes them a .500 team and I don’t think they are done.
Players start to decline after their age 30 season. The Padres have 5 seasons of Machado’s peak playing years.
That might be balanced out by the uptick in attendance and merchandise sales. I’m just thinking of how Pujols helped the Angels.
What app do you use if you are a grumpy old man bothered by someone that gets joy from telling people I told you so ? Just asking for you .
That’s like Xabial-caliber down votes
Too bad they don’t really have enough to contend… They have almost zero pitching and all prospects other than tatis are long shots…
This is a bad signing. The Padres do not have the resources to overcome any mistakes.
The question I have is whether or not ownerships’ hesitation is real or artificial. If the latter, Machado signing with a small market club helps balance teams out but won’t be as big an issue with bigger contracts moving forward as how many $30m players can a team have if their maximum payroll is $250m (or so for 2019). This could be the real issue to address in the next CBA. I still propose rewarding teams with a lesser penalty when they re-sign their own players. Other than lowering prices, it’s as good a benefit for the fans as there is. Cut the luxury tax impact to 50% after year 4.
Wow. You got downvoted for that. MLBTR predicted 13/390 which is 30 million AAV.
Its a great move for the Padres who would have thunk it, now if they trade for Kluber or another top SP you’ll see the Padres in 2020 in the playoffs and in 2021 in the WS, Couldn’t be happier with this, Lots of talent in the farm coming through this year and next year. GO FRIARS
Team can always trade prior to the opt out – treat it like a contract year.
True, Pujols did help ticket sales when the Angels signed him… until he actually started playing and stunk the joint out!
$300M if lucky. Phillies, it is.
Did the Padres draw any better or have higher merch sales when the hometown boy Adrian Gonzalez was in his prime? Maybe you’ll get a few more Chicago or St. Louis transplants buying tickets to watch their boys beat up on the Padres, but I doubt it will make an appreciable difference past the first few months.
Really…. how many long term deals were/are great?
Jeez. Bitter much?
Actually, if you take TOTAL payroll, you have to divide it by the TOTAL number of wins, not the marginal “wins above replacement”. To just use wins above replacement is to say that a team’s first 48 wins have no value.
MLB 2018 total payroll
$4,320,469,805 divided by 2,430 total wins = $1,777,971.
That’s what the average win cost an MLB team in 2018.
So, the question becomes, what will teams pay for a win above replacement?
The numbers often spouted here by some posters ($7 – 9 MM) are bogus, because even Fangraphs in their fine print says it’s what teams will pay in FREE AGENCY for a win above replacement. By definition, that’s marginal WARs above what they already pay for on their roster, to pre-arb and arb players..
For instance, Francisco Lindor put up 7.6 fWAR in 2018, but was only paid $623,200. So using those numbers the WAR produced by Lindor was worth only $82,000.
J.D. Martinez put up 5.6 fWAR and was paid $23,750,000, or $4,241,071 per WAR.
Mat Kemp produced 1.6 fWAR at a cost of $21,750,000: $13,593,750 per WAR.
So which number is accurate?
Few, if any teams can actually afford to pay the mythical $7 – 9 MM per WAR that is tossed around.
If the Red Sox had paid $7MM per WAR last year, their total payroll would have been $420MM. At $9MM per WAR it would have been $540MM. I’m pretty sure even they can’t afford a payroll that high.
But they didn’t pay that much, because they got Betts’ 10.4 fWAR for $10,500,000, or $1,009,615 per WAR, and a lot of other producers for a far lower cost per WAR than what teams are willing to pay in free agency.
So, a WAR really isn’t “worth” $7MM overall. Will teams pay that for wins on the margin to try to make it over the top? Yes, of course.
But that is part of the readjustment that is going on in the game. Many teams aren’t necessarily tanking, but they’ve figured out it makes no sense to pay $7 – 9MM for a marginal win if they have no chance to make the playoffs.
One thing that will happen if players get to FA faster or the minimum salary is, say, doubled: it will affect the amount of money older vets get paid because it will be redirected to younger players.
it will be interesting to see what happens.
Your calling them fools
But your going to work in an hour
What a Putz
Exactly, but who said that Ellsbury was better than Machado?
Those were just clueless writers looking for clicks, Even though they are relatively young, 10 years is still slightly outside their productive years.
Having said that, $30M for a projected 5.4 player is not bad.
The CBA was signed before Machado became a FA. I think it was more a factor of which teams were going to bid. LAD has Turner, the NYY have a good 3B with 5 years of control. The RS have the same, and no money. LAA has to re-sign Trout. The Phillies have a decent 3B.
If you want to break the bank, you need teams that have real spending money and real need.
I agree. My biggest tactical issue I have with many teams is not that they don’t spend, but they don’t spend at the right time. BA & TO should’ve traded Machado & Donaldson during the 2017 season, and then tanked heavily.
OTOH, the NYMs have great pitching and should’ve dove into the FA to go over the top.
IMO, and I don’t like Preller or Machado, but this is the perfect signing at the perfect time. They have some existing talent, and a ton of prospects. Now is the time to pick up the guy that can anchor them.
Padres to trade him within 3 years when they still suck
WAR is used to evaluate FREE AGENT valuation, as that is the only time the player has access to a free market. Do whatever math you want, but how you quantified it is not how clubs go about it.
It changes every year.
Same. I want to know who he can’t be traded too.
Jamey Colin Hodgin
actually I saw them at 76 wins and with machado 78. signing him is great for the team but if anyone thinks he is turning them into a contender their crazy. its not like basketball where one guy can have that influence. he is only one of 25 guys on that roster, and one of nine starters. they better hope some of those prospects pan out big time or this signing is for not. he will surely opt out after 5 years if that isnt the case.
It all depends on what Preller can do with our pitching. But … No worries. Most of our fans seem to be convinced that our pitching prospects are going to compete with each other for the Cy Young from the moment they make their big league debuts.
No, we think they are going to compete for the Cy Young, MVP, ROY, MOY and be the new messiahs!
Come on man. If you are going to put a straw-man out there, you need to really go for it.
It’s not a straw man if I’m not applying it to a specific argument.
You’ve seen it. You’ve even posted some of it. It seems like everybody believes our prospects are going to hit the big leagues fully developed and ready to dominate ML hitters. You know as well as I do it doesn’t work that way, and it’s an unrealistic expectation
It is a straw-man if you are attacking an argument no one is making.
What I said was “With the quality and quantity of the pitching prospects that the Padres have, if they can’t put together a quality rotation, no one can.” Even with pessimistic estimates on the hit rates of pitching prospects, they should still be able to put together a quality rotation. Pitching is the strength of their system.
Not attacking an argument, just making a point. Pointing out an absurdity with an absurdity. Some people seem to ignore the reality and nature of prospects, especially pitching prospects.
As of now, we need a decent SP or two until the kids are ready to show what they can do in the big leagues.
No one said that lmao
You haven’t been paying attention for the last 3 years.
Tony Clark is going to Pizza Hut tonight BABY!!
Pizza Hut. No way , He is going to Sizzler. Lol
Chicks Dig the Longball
Tony Clark tonight:
LOL, Any more of them exist?
Tony like his Popeyes
Speechless. Not the amount but the Padres?!?! Good for them!!!!
Why? The Padres are the only team that’s still overpaying for free agents.
Thank you Padres! I like when teams overpay for free agents.
Tony, is that you ?
Padres have $20M in dead salary on the books. Once that comes off their ledger, they will still be around league average in payroll. Even with the Manny signing.
Pushes them to a .500 team next year. Seems odd for a $300M investment…
That’s THIS year, 2019. The Farm is rich in premium pitching talent just beginning to arrive, and pitching is the heart of the game.
*Padre conspiracy* All owners met in basement of Sacramento Dave and Busters. All agree that Padre will be landing spot for one big bad contract each off season until CBA. All know one big bad contracts won’t help Padre win.
Then at CBA, owners and owner lawyers point media attention to Padre big bad signings and still losing. Hosmer! Machado! Next year too! Still only win less of 75!
With Machado the Padres are at $110 million including the $20 million in dead salaries. What is league average?
I hear a lot of envy here too bad for your team
Somebody down voted a legit question? Wow. BTW, if I rember correctly, league average is just over $140MM.
They finally have a hitter capable of hitting over .260. Now they just need a #1, 2, 3, and 4 starter. They have plenty of #5’s.
And those starters just need to win 20,15,15 and 10 games right. Batting avg lol
Iver you don’t have to post like a grade A coc,sucker. Tell me how much smarter you are than everyone else. You’re just so far ahead of the curve. Why don’t they put you in a front office already?
The Padres starters are going to surprise most of the country. They have no name recognition but decent solid upside, especially with Manny’s bat AND excellent glove at 3rd.
Almost every starter in the Hall Of Fame began as a #5 starter. The average age of the starters who finished 2018 is 25.
You might want to look at the 2001-2003 Texas Rangers.
After that, you should do some research on pitching prospects. (TNSTAAPP!)
We Padre fans have a lot to be excited about at the moment, but let’s be real about it.
Pitching prospects totally never fail to be aces. Especially lefties.
As someone said, all pitchers start as prospects. TINSTAAPP is not only incorrect, its not possible.
Manny will not be pitch to unless he swings at pitchers pitch. Afier they walk him Padres will fail to hit as normal worst offense in MLB in 2018.
There were three teams worse than SD, offensively, in MLB in 2018 (Phillies, Detroit, Texas). There’s every reason to believe that the Padres will be better in 2018, besides just adding Machado. Tatis will be up at some point, Urias will be starting all season, Hosmer can’t be any worse, the young outfielders are all a year better….we’ll see. Their offensive stats are hurt a bit by the home park, which is closer to neutral than it once was but still favors pitching, and adding 5+ WAR to the gaping hole that was third base is a huge upgrade for the Padres.
Lamet, Lauer, and Lucchesi all project to be #3’s or better.
Lucchesi had a 4.08 as a rookie with a 3.37 K/W.
Lauer had a 4.37 as a rookie, with a 2.17 K/W.
Lamet had a 4.57 as a rookie with a 2.57 K/W
They certainly need an ace type to accompany them, maybe even a #2 type as well. But I’d bet real money that all three of those guys develop into #3 guys in the next season or two.
And, as a RS fan, I am still annoyed we felt the need to throw in Allen in the Kimbrel trade.
Hell has frozen over.
Hell, Michigan froze over weeks ago, during the polar vortex.
In the end Manny was just about “show me the money”, not about playing for a legitimate contender. I’m not surprised.
In year one. The Padres future looks as bright as any current non contender in the game. 10 years is a damn long time.
Did a legitimate contender extend him an offer? The Yanks? Cubs? Red Sox? LAD? Astros? Nope. So the next best thing is a rebuilding team that you believe has a chance to actually have a successful rebuild, plus more guaranteed money. Clearly the Padres rebuild looks much more promising than that parade of busts on the south side. This isn’t that complicated.
I’m posting on top of a thread of nearly 1K comments
Here’s the White Sox FINAL offer: (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26031051/manny-machado-san-diego-padres-reach-deal)
“The White Sox’s final offer to Machado was for eight years and $250 million, sources said. It included a pair of club options based on plate appearances that could have brought the value of the package to $320 million.”
The only source that has said that it was 8/250 was Nightengale. Even Rosenthal just quoted Nightengale on it. Nightengale also said it was 7/175 earlier which we know is a lie.
You can count the times Nightengale has been correct about any FA signing on the fingers of one hand.
The Padres are going to be praying that Machado exercises the opt out halfway through the contract, but by then everyone will know he isn’t worth anywhere near the money and the market will dictate that he stay in San Diego. One guy is not going to save the Padres, and especially if he’s Manny Machado. WAY overrated! Good luck, San Diego; you’ll need it.
“The Padres are going to be praying that Machado exercises the opt out halfway through the contract…”
If that is the case (and I’m not saying it isn’t) then the odds of him opting out, even if he wins MVP all 5 years, are effectively zero from the get-go.
That will depend entirely on Preller. Getting Machado is an awesome step forward, but Preller has yet to demonstrate he knows anything about building a Major League roster. Especially when it comes to scouting and acquiring Major League pitching talent.
I’m excited to see where we go from here. It’s definitely a step in the right direction.
My biggest concern is that we end up like Preller’s alma mater, the Texas Rangers, after they made headlines by signing Alex Rodriguez to a historic 10 year contract in his prime. For three years, from 2001-2003, they couldn’t win more than 74 games, in spite of leading the AL in most offensive categories. Why? They had zero pitching, being at or near the bottom of the league. After 3 years, they sent Mr. Juice packing to the Yankees (along with some cash).
The time is NOW to see if Preller knows anything about building a winner.
Edit- “73 games.”
The first two pitchers out of the 2016 draft to pitch in the majors were Padres. Both were about average in MLB. In other words, both were #3 starters in 2018.
6 pitchers that Preller has drafted since his first draft with the Padres in 2015 were on the 2018 MLB roster.
I would say that is a dang good record with drafting and developing MLB pitchers.
Can we let them get some dirt in their cleats before we pronounce them successful big league pitchers? It takes starting pitchers an average of two full seasons to start reaching their potential.
Luchessi showed great promise in his rookie year. He was on track to finish with a sub-4 ERA until his second to last start. Green left him in to take a pounding, presumably as a learning experience. Throw out that game, his performance was well above average for a rookie SP.
Lauer looks like he needs another year of seasoning. Lamet was showing a lot of promise, now we have to wait and see how he comes back from TJ. Erlin still shows promise, but only if they let him start so he can figure it out. Strahm is intriguing, I’d like to see what he can do as a starter. Mitchell was Preller’s “project,” he was given every (undeserved) opportunity to succeed, and failed; he should be DFA’d. Perdomo? See Mitchell.
What happened to “Eric Lauer will never be anything more than a back-end starter because he doesn’t have an out pitch?”
I never said that about Lauer. In fact, I debated that point the guy who did.
Comment was in response to Pads Fans. I actually hit reply to his comment but this site stops indenting comments after a certain point.
Preller’s 1st draft was 2015. To have 6 pitchers make the majors within 3 years of that draft is outstanding. No one drafted since 2015 has had any chance to “get some dirt in their cleats”. Before you pronounce Preller a failure, how about you give credit where credit is due? He knocked it out of the park so far.
Mitchell was injured in spring training and pitched through it into early June. When he returned from a 3 month stint on the DL his velocity and command was back and he pitched very well. 2.19 ERA in those last 4 starts. He is throwing mid-90s already in camp. If he pitches well in spring training then Preller’s “project” could very well be a big win.
Mitchell has sat 96 from day one with the Yankees. He can’t pitch.
If he is overrated, what was Willie Mays? Barry Bonds? Machado has been better to this point in his career than those two were. In fact, he ranks 34th all time through age 25. So glad that the Padres got such an overrated player.
Jamey Colin Hodgin
but sadly his prime years will most likely be wasted on another losing franchise,,but that money sure is nice.
America! F Yeah!
no no no, lets call it a “inexplicable” contract. right? lol you can’t like this. look at his away numbers. Pads are going to be paying Hos 13 mil in a couple years, but this contract is good???
do you still wish that we didn’t sign Myers or Hosmer?
If we only had Machado we would suck worse than last year?
The difference is that Machado was literally five times better than Hosmer last season. He’s a better hitter, defender and baserunner.
Reported for profanity. I know the F stands for Friars as in San Diego Padres.
get a job and a room!
It’s from a movie!
yes, and an awfully prophetic movie considering what happened last year.
that makes zero sense
Really hope you’re joking??
His humor is far more sophisticated than ours…he’s a Rick and Morty fan!
Oh. My. Gosh!!!!!
“World War III broke out today, … but we’re going to get away from that for a while and bring you the latest on Manny Machado…”
I love it. Team is getting better. I’m gonna be watching a lot more of the Padres this year
I dont know about better. But they just got lazier and whole lot dirtier.
You’re an idiot if you don’t think they’re better.
We’ll they did just sign a player that throws his bat at pitchers.
Padres were a 76-78 win team without Machado. Now they are an 81-83 win team. Add a couple of starting pitchers and they are contending for a WC.
One player – even Machado – does not suddenly make us a .500 team. You’ve seen our pitching, right?
I just hope we don’t end up like the 2001-2003 Rangers.
@koamalu is essentially right. Las Vegas odds makers had the Padres at 77.5 wins before signing Machado. Fangraphs had the Padres at 76 wins before this signing.
Machado is at least 5 wins better than Ty France, Greg Garcia, or Pirela. That puts the Padres at or very close to .500 ball.
Now if they add a starter like Kluber who is 4-5 wins better than anyone else on the squad, they are close to contending for a Wild Card berth.
The same Vegas oddsmakers that had the Royals finishing last in their division in 2015?
In 2015 the baseball writers like those at CBS had the Royals finishing last. Caesars Palace had them at 86.5 wins in their first line of the year. Others had them at 80.5 wins when the season started. They won 95 games.
No one is perfect, except you of course Ryan, but for the 2015 season the odds maker at Caesars Palace were within 2 wins for the league.
Padres aren’t all that better this year, possibly in the next 2 years though
The got 5 wins better in one player. Without Machado they were predicted to win 78 games. I would guess that a trade of an OF along with some prospects for a starting pitcher is coming in the next few days.
I hope you’re right about that.
Nah, we will be pushing for a wild card this season.
This offense will score 6-7+ runs a game.
If our bullpen can be “historically good” like it was last year…we’re looking good.
“This offense will score 6-7+ runs a game”
lmao dude the top offense in baseball averaged 5.4 this year. Pads averaged 3.8. Manny is not going to give you 3 runs a game
Machado not the only improvement on last year with young players arriving/developing, but yeah, they aren’t averaging 7 runs a game. They won’t even be the top offense.
Awaits jokes for White Sox/Yankees fans
I’m just happy I won’t have to see him face the Sox 19 times/year anymore (assuming this story holds). He’s always such a pest at the plate D:
Actually waiting for the Yankee and ChiSox fans all saying that they are happy that he did not sign with them and he is just not a good player…..
As a Yankee fan I’m already used to this lol
Jamey Colin Hodgin
not from me and I’m a yankees fan. they simply did not need him, period. that lineup is already stacked and with the best overall pitching staff, bullpen included, in baseball.
This was the thing I was least expecting as I opened this tab
Padres going for it in the future? Bold move
Now Harper hopefully signs with the Giants.
Love to see that. Would make them a 75 win team, moving them down in the draft and sucking resources from the rebuild.
Agreed. Signing Harper would be the absolute worst thing they could do. I think Zaidi knows better than to hang himself this early on in his tenure.
It would be astonishing if both these mega free agents sign with NL West teams. Nobody would have predicted that 3 months ago. Seriously doubt Harper signs in SF though.
That way the Madres and Gnats could compete for last place in the division.
Glad Machado is finally off the board. Time will tell how Machado impacts the Padres.
If Harper truly wants to be a Giant he will sign soon. Would definitely be an impact player both offensively, defensively and to other players around him.
Maybe the Giants need to have Pence and Lincecum give him a call. They can tell him about their experiences not just on the field but the support the fans will give him.
At this point, it’s definitely up to Harper. We can only wait and hope.
Even with uncertainty about Manager retiring after this year?
Oh boy!!! Here we go!!!!
Ahahahahahaha the Padres!!
Finally this is over
About time! Harper to the Phillies up next
Really? You knew all along where he was going and didn’t tell us!?
Good job Padres! Surprised he signed with them but I like it
Wow it actually happened
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
Harper is calling Philly but getting a busy signal
Damn Comcast lol.
underrated comment sir lol
I’m happy for the Padres fans. They should be very excited about this.
Well that means phils get Harper
And padres sign an arm
Keuchel is best available SP, and SD needs an ace badly.
Being the best SP available =/= being an ace
Trade possibility as well.
Now the Padres can get possibly get to 70 wins !!!
With both the Rockies & D’Backs potentially taking a step back. They seem positioned well for the future.
Padres were projected to win 78 before this signing.
By whom? And you take it seriously? I just saw today on MLB Network that they’re “still” projected at 68.
You really can’t put much stock in those projections and rankings.
No you didn’t. MLB Network on 3 different programs today showed the Padres as projected at 77.5 wins by Caesar’s Palace and 76 wins by Fangraphs. The different programs must share the same graphic, because it was exactly the same one on all three.
Las Vegas casinos make or lose billions based on those projections, so I personally put the most stock in them of any projections and they are usually very close to the final outcome.
Good to hear for San Diego. It has seemingly been a long time since a big name free agent signed with them (not counting the puzzling signing of Hosmer).
Why would you not count Hosmer? He was literally a big name free agent.
Simply because no one doubts that Machado is an impact player but at least half of the “experts” seriously questioned the Hosmer signing. Hosmer simply isn’t a difference making firstbaseman. Machado is a difference maker whether he plays as or third.
I’ll have to respectfully disagree. No comparison needed between the two players. Hosmer was a big name free agent. He signed with the Padres. You said “it has seemingly been a long time since a big name free agent signed with [the Padres]”. I just found it to be an odd statement. I certainly didn’t mean Hosmer is the same caliber player as Machado, but he’s no minor league pickup either.
Wow! Congrats Padres. Bryce shortly
X, where you at?
haha I was awaiting for that response.
You’re like in love with him I swear
I still think he’a going to the Yanks, book it!
Now go sign Kimbrel and Keuchel!!
Didnt they already have 1 round of Kimbrel?
Yup. Then they traded him for a haul of prospects then turned around and paid Fernando Rodney $3m to be better the following season than Kimbrel was. Overpaying for relievers is the last thing the Padres need to do.
It’s so fun telling others how to spend their money!
Where is that white Sox guy at that talked smack to me yesterday
Hahaha … ~crickets~
Where are all the Padre haters now. Eat crow snitches
The Padres still stink.
They won’t in a few years though.
So does Lewis Brinson?? You still stink. But you can always shower
If you think Machado was a lazy player last year, just wait for this year now that he has 300 million reasons to not hustle.
There are no padres haters. Because no one thinks about them. They’ve always been a doormat, always will be.
not true, mostly dodger fans love talking about the padres
put makeup on a pig, still a pig underneath.
One down one to go…
Great job, Jerry.
Bridesmaid in free agency yet again. That being said I had always preferred the Bryce Harper fit in the White Sox batting order over Manny Machado but fat chance JR will outbid the “stupid money” that the Phillies will offer.
I have also preferred Harper this entire time, but Kenny already said they couldn’t go to $300M (despite having a ridiculously low payroll after this year) because they need to build a “full team.” It’s probably not happening.
Why do so many people “prefer” Harper., Harper has hit under 250 2 of the last 3 years In 7 years he’s hit over 30 hrs twice. He is a trainwreck defensively.Please explain yourselves
Jerry is bad for the city. The family has completely flat-lined the proud Bulls franchise and he has run the Sox like they play in Tulsa, OK or something. With as close as the Sox huge prospects are to the show, a big signing like this is something that would have energized the fan base and helped kick start a run in what looks like the weakest division in baseball. I would be willing to bet increased ticket and merchandise sales would’ve helped make up for the huge expenditure.
Because he has shown (multiple times) that he can be ELITE with his bat, and even in a “down year,” like last year, he still put up a ~.900 OPS. His value to an organization also goes far beyond just what he does on the field, which I think is VERY important for a team like the White Sox.
Personally, if I’m paying a guy $30M/yr, it’s 90+% because of the impact he makes with his bat. Either that, or he plays elite defense at a premium position and still has a very good bat (someone like Lindor). Defense is great, but I’m not paying a non-premium position player $30M/yr because he’s a great defender or baserunner; that’s asking for a disaster (hi, Jason Heyward).
Plus, I don’t buy that he’s a “train wreck defensively.” Yes, he was brutal last year, but he was always fine before that. I’d have to imagine not self-preservation played a pretty big role in that (i.e. not wanting to get hurt before his big payday). I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I have a hard time faulting him for that with the amount he has/had to lose. He’s also not a centerfielder, so playing him out there for ~500 innings last year is on the Nats, not him.
Note – NONE of this is a knock on Manny. I’ve said many, many times that I’d happily take either. I’ve also defended Manny’s “Johnny Hustle” comments in many threads. I think he’s a very good player, and I would’ve had no problem with the White Sox paying him $30M/yr – I just prefer Harper.
My preference for Bryce Harper had to do with his career .900 OPS left-handed bat which the White Sox seem to lack in their system. I view him as a better fit batting in front of right-handed uber power hitting prospect Eloy Jimenez. Harper’s ability to also get on base (.388 career OBP), along with the likelihood of Luis Robert and Nick Madrigal occupying the leadoff and #2 spots as soon as 2020 would provide better balance to a future White Sox batting order that leans right-handed.
I realize prospects are called that for a reason. That being said, I feel confident that Jimenez, Robert and Madrigal will become future impact players along with another right-handed bat in Jake Burger who will play at one of the infield corners spots, most likely 1B.
As a lifelong White Sox fan, I agree that neither Manny or Bryce is worth this type of money. That being said, I had hoped the Sox would have signed Machado, if for no other reasons, showing the fans that wins mean more than dollars for this billionaire. Every year we are the free agent bridesmaid that continues our fate as cellar dwellers. Maybe tightwad Jerry should have been allowed to move the White Sox to Tampa in the 80’s. Then maybe we would have been lucky to get an expansion team in Chicago with owners wanting to win for a faithful fan base. Increased revenue would have easily paid for Manny’s salary. I hope we draw about 10-12 thousand a game. Hopefully that will then inspire Jerry to sell our team to someone serious. In another slap to the White Sox fans, why are you so loyal to your incompetent employees at the expense of a wining atmosphere and team. Disgusted that KW still has any type of job with the White Sox. There’s my rant. Not going to expect any excitement from the White Sox in 2019 and beyond.
Harper gets on base. A lot. He creates lots of runs by getting on base. The goal of a baseball hitter is to get on base, and not make outs. Harper is exceptional at those things. Those things lead to runs. Runs win games. The end.
Could’ve been the MAN in Chicago. Now he’s just some guy in San Diego.
Yes, Padres have so many superstars, Machado fades to the background.
It’s true. The guy passed on plus incentives, playing with his friends and family, franchise centerpiece in a world class city while Cub fans switch sides in droves.
He’s just kinda ordinary now. He skipped the biggest deal any club has ever put together for easy cash. Cya.
I like how you completely contradicted yourself in that last sentence, in just ten words. He skipped the most biggest deal for more money? Huh? Which is it?
Also, I truly doubt that one season playing alongside Jon Jay and Yonder Alonso figured much into his decision to sign a long-term deal. And it’s not like San Diego is some podunk town or something.
And I lived in Chicago; Cubs fans and White Sox fans aren’t “switching sides” for anything; I lived there when the Sox won the WS and I’ll tell you, there weren’t Cubs fans “switching sides” even for that.
Okay, it pains me to return to this subject, but for what it’s worth I’d like to make clear, the deal the White Sox placed on the table is valued higher than SD’s.
Second, referring to my earlier post, THE MAN deal was offered by CWS. Machado took a lesser deal in sleepy SD.
Third, his friends make it a new level deal, assuring he does not slump during 1st year adjustment period. Ground breaking, if you look deeper. It’s like they offered him a “Legendary Deal”.
I live in Chicago and I assure you many Cub fans are switching to the Sox in response to race political issues with Cub ownership and legal issues with players.
A two second search on Chicago Tribune and you’ll see this unusual situation between north and south sides.
I’m not saying SD is podunk. I’m saying Chicago is a major market and media world class city. To pass coming here, with the highest expectations, with full ownership commitment to essentially make Machado comparable potentially to the Michael Jordan of baseball, and instead take guaranteed $$ in a beach bed and breakfast city is not only an insult to himself, his representation, but also to any baseball fan who reads more than the headline of a trade deal.
TIL that $250m is valued higher than $300m
serious case of sour grapes here
I’m upset the media heralds this decision and says “poor White Sox” instead of the truth “The guy or his agent is an idiot”.
What you guys are failing to see is you’ve paid him to sit on his *** for what turns out to be less money. White Sox paid for him to play, to back it up, to achieve, to be a legend, a man deal. You guys paid him for some casual bragging rights and to fill the void ticket sales after your competitive-level football team leaves. Which BTW, I’m sorry about.
If anything I’m spurred at the media for how they blew off any legitimate analysis of the actual unprecedented deal, and took the shortcut heralding SD’s acquisition winning out against the “now angered White Sox organization”.
There are many baseball fans that wanted the White Sox deal for the sake of the game itself because of the deal offered. I can’t be bothered explaining all the reasons why. White Sox deal was legendary. SD deal in comparison is merely an unreasonable promise proven to be a mistake by every ball club’s unwillingness to go 10 years on any player ever again. Why should fans root for this now unless they’re trying to be obnoxious?
All I can say is good luck.
Sour grapes with a capital s!
you are not trying at all…..this post is not obnoxious at all…
He also has the potential to make more than $300m with the Padres deal. He has an opt-out. So if he’s still mashing 5 years from now, he can re-enter free agency and try for more money.
You’d have to think this means Harper will be going to the Phillies now
Almost anti climatic now
At least the White Sox have all of his friends and relatives.
I’m a sox fan and it makes me so angry we are now stuck with two 30yr old replacement players in an attempt to coax machado to sign for less money. Especially with 5 outfield prospects, and a perennial all star at 1st base before this off-season started.
It’s cool, if the Padres visit the South Side this year, Manny will have people to have dinner with. It’s a win win… as long as you’re not a Sox fan.
For the perennial all star at 1st base are you referring to Abreu or a prospect?
Abreu, since every team has to have 1 representative and who else would go from that team?
Don’t worry, your farm is stacked, W.Sox will be contending soon enough
These things happen for a reason. As much as I wanted Manny on a our side, we’re still in a great place. Not sour grapes, just making the most of what we’ve got to work with!!!
These things happen for a reason. As much as I wanted Manny on a our side, we’re still in a great place. Not sour grapes, just making the most of what we’ve got to work with!!!
Jamey Colin Hodgin
prospects are still prospects, and the chance of more than 2 or 3 of them panning out is possible.
He doesn’t care about winning. Just the money
Padres a year or two away from being real good
Oh boo he’s trying to set him and his family up for the future. Shame on him for taking the big payday that almost every other single person in the world would gladly take.
Would be pretty sweet deal to make that much money and be a star on a franchise that is getting very close to being very good for a long time.
Do they expect Machado to pitch for them?
Padres have a glut of pitching about to break into the majors.
They have a few pitching prospects
falling in love with prospects will break your heart…
it’s one thing to have guys who look lights out in AAA, and then they get to the Majors and guys show them what’s really up. Or the season long workload leaves them injured in August. I’d keep my expectations low. It’s way easier for a team to acquire starters than it is to develop them and have them all mature at the right time to make a run.
No offense but the guys you have in your starting five right now were prospects not long ago and they turned into average to below-average mlb starters. I don’t see anyone in your farm just blowing hitters away. Sorry!
Right but these aren’t the highly coveted guys. You probably haven’t heard of Logan Allen, Chris Paddack and McKenzie Gore. When those guys come up you can talk. Until then your comment really isn’t valid. But hey everyone is entitled to their own opinion!
Who though? Luchessi, lauer were never top 100 guys. Those two are 2016 draftees. I’m still excited about them. No one in the padres rotation has recently been regarded as a great prospect
Trying to win 10-9 everyday?
Dude…between prospects, surplus at other positions to trade from, and a clear willingness to spend, pitching will be ok. Nobody predicting playoffs this year in San Diego, but give me a break. If you don’t see where it is heading over the next few years, you are not paying attention.
Deep farm system means winning games at a lower level. Potential means maybe.
Cubs sign Harper and trade Chatwood, Russell, and J-Hey to the Giants for a class A player…
Congrats Friar Fans…
Wow. Good for Manny I guess? I know he wanted to be a Yankee and all but my guess is, he and his family will be fine. Good to see a smaller market team step up. Hopefully, they can afford to build a good team around him and keep him for the long haul of his deal.
San Diego is a “smaller” market? Than LA I suppose, but it isn’t ever going to be confused with KC, Milwaukee, or Pittsburgh.
I’m predicting that within one hour this thread will break the MLBTR record for “comments”.” I also predict about half those comments will reference some dumb thing said once about “not hustling” while ignoring the body of work.
elscorcho the marlin
You’re the first to add those comments
Absolutely, no question about that…
Not one person mentioned that before you did.
Half of the record comments will be yours, of which 99% will be yoir standard self bravado. All while you dont have the first clue what it takes to run an ML club.
Or morons talking about how Machado will be traded within one year, as if the other 29 teams didn’t all have the ability to pay him all that money this offseason and didn’t all collectively say “No thanks.”
Wait…no, this must be fake news. He’s signing with the Northwest Indiana White Sux! If you don’t believe me, just ask one of their dozens of fans.
Come on, stop making Cubs fans look bad with garbage like this
You’ve got to be the most pathetic person that posts to this page. Do everyone a favor, and please go away. You’re an inept Cub fanboy with nothing to add to any baseball conversation (except perhaps Cub news).
$100 says Bryzzo isn’t from or doesn’t live in Chicago. He has to be from California. Im a Sox fan but follow the cubs closely because so much air time is dedicated to them in Chicago. There is no point in hating them because they literally have no impact on what the Sox are trying to accomplish. I think true Chicagoans on both sides of town would agree. Bryzzo regurgitates the same crap over and over again on every comment “bust bust bust, northwest Indiana white sux, proven core, irrelevant, blah blah blah”. He criticizes fans that repeat what they read in articles then goes and quotes what analyst are saying about a particular prospect. He literally contradicts everything he says. He embodies the stereotype that cubs fans have but don’t deserve. What I find ironic is he is so critical of the Sox rebuild and says that prospects are not proven but praises a potential future playoff opponent (Padres) saying they will be “extremely fun to watch” because of the prospects that will be called up this year. Hilarious.
Wow! Very happy this happened. Really hope they pass on Harper now. This is just fine. And let him play SS to start the season with Kinsler at third… DO NOT move Urias as a rookie. Nice move Padres. Hate the person…. attitude, effort, etc… it alls comes off bad…. but the player?? Oh I’ll take that any day
As an Orioles fan, your assessment is dead on.
Good for baseball that he’s signing with an “underdog”
would have rather had Harper. How long do you suppose the ChiSox will hang on to Machado’s buddies?
Until the trade deadline at the latest
Being reported as 10 years $300 million
25 years, 280
10 year/$300 million according to Feinsand. Biggest FA contract ever (we will see how long that lasts)
MB923, you’re one of my favorite Yankee posters.
On a Scale of 1-100, our chances of signing Harper?
I guess this signals a new era in Padres baseball. This is exciting. Wow!
White Sox are a typical jerry reinsdorf trash organization. His front offices in two separate leagues would mess up a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
This is 100% on Jerry, not the rest of the front office.
You’ll always have the memory of signing Albert Belle… or was it Joey? lol
Unrelated but I remember Bruce levine coming out and tweeting that the sox wouldn’t go over 8 years, and over 250 to sign Machado. Everyone was trashing levine about only being a cub beat writer and a specific quote I saw was
“the next time Bruce levine is right about anything Sox related will be the first time ”
Well looks like he was right all along…
Don’t criticize what you can’t understand.
Good for Baseball.
Wonder if his opt out clause is game by game instead of season?
We did it… we actually did it. I must say I’m utterly stunned. Still a lot of work to do, but what a major step in the right direction. Congratulations, Padres!!!
Let’s go!!! #friarfaithful
Padres making moves when everyone though they were just clickbait.
I knew I should have taken the +600 odds on him signing there! I had a feeling.
Great to see a smaller-market team get such a big fish
Maybe the padres will finally dfa pirela but I’m guessing it will be Guerra since he wears number 8
Nope. Lamet to 60-day DL
Our long national nightmare is over.
Wow. I bet he gets traded in a couple of seasons
It’s over. It’s finally over.
Minor league deal?
I wonder if this will compel the Giants to sign Harper? Looks like the Giants might be the bottom feeder in the West in 2019. Them or the Rockies right? Then again, with the 2020 manager being a question mark would Harper sign there not knowing who might be the manager next year?
Harper will sign with whatever team gives him the best off. I believe the Phillies will win that bidding war, but who knows?
I have a funny feeling Joe Maddon will be the Giants next skipper…
Jake, most interesting comment I read on here today. Very possible.
As a Giants fan, Why the Rockies? They will probably finish 2nd! I think DBacks finish in last, they lost too many guys (Goldy, Corbin, Pollack, etc).
I predict Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, Giants, DBacks but I could see any of SD, SF, Arz finishing last.
Them or the Rockies? The Rockies have at least 2 high level pitchers possibly 3 with gray. They still have Arenado,Trevor Story. Charlie Blackmon and they added Daniel Murphy. Id bet on a better year out of wade davis as well. The giants have the ghost of Evan Longoria at 3rd and the worst collection of outfielders west of Cleveland. Not to mention the D’Backs who lost Goldy, Corbin and Pollock. Rockies still look like the 2nd best in the division to me.
He’s going to miss hitting in Camden Yards.
Wow! Finally. Enjoy the hustle SD! (and the 30 HRs and 90 RBI)
Good on the Padres.
Good for the Padres! This will definitely speed up their rebuild. Tatis Jr will be up soon, thanks to someone taking No Game Shields of their hands. The Padres are gonna be exciting pretty soon!
You have a strange obsession with the White Sox.
No, reload your twitter feed. This has NOTHING to do with the Sux, Manny signed with SAN DIEGO. The Padres… The San Diego Padres. Like Manny, no one cares about the Northwest Indiana White Sux.
Nobody but you, obviously.
Still can’t get over 2005 I see.
They can have the cancer!
Typical Yankee comment.
If they got him”greatest thing since sliced bread”
Damn butch, you beat me to it….
Just because a Yankee makes a comment you do not like doesn’t mean the moron is a typical Yankee. I think Manny is awesome no matter what team he’s on. I did not want Manny on the team because of how much he cost. However, you sound like a “typical Yankee hater”
Wait — Manny has cancer? Why wasn’t the media informed? Do the Padres know? You wait until NOW to come out with these details? SHame on you yankeedoodle. Shame on you. This changes everything!
the hype is lit fam
First real face of the franchise since Trevor Hoffman. About time for San Diego!
As a Friars fan, I am already preparing for my team to shop him mid-season.
Harper is going to San Fran.
Phillies can keep their crazy money.
Pretty sure being a fan of 4 teams automatically revokes your right to use “my team” regarding any of those teams.
Question to all of those guys saying he will be traded in the next couple of years. Why would any team not willing to pay this much now be willing to give up other players to pay him the same amount later getting fewer of the good years and more over the 30+ years. Doesn’t make a lot of sense
Willy – you are an oasis of sense in a desert of tomfoolery….
Hey thanks A’s fan. That’s a great line. Can I use that
I don’t think he will be traded either but..
.Teams needs change.
Teams have large contracts come off the books.
Teams find themselves in a pennant race needing a “big bat”.
Teams sometimes have a glut of prospects and fewer roster spots.
Just a few reasons it “could” happen.
Nope. If they wanted to pay Machado this kind of money they’d have done it now. His stock is the highest it has ever been with the season he had.
Maybe the Padres under their old ownership. No one seems to realize this new owner group and GM system doesn’t trade away talent anymore. This isn’t the same group that destroyed our team 10 years ago. Enough with that
Padresfanatic I don’t know whether you’re trying to make fun of me or agrreeing with me but I think the Lisa Simpson link is verycool
Comment was in response to Sox-Yanks-Friars-BJaysFan
That makes it even better. Thanks for the laugh and I obviously agree with you
Wow, good for both parties.
I for one do not think this makes Harper to the Phils inevitable at all..in fact, I think it makes it more difficult for them..I now expect the Nationals to step it up to get him back..
i was assuming Phils were keeping Machado on hold until they knew they had Harper…but you never know, Machado may have gotten impatient and the Padres blinked on the 300 mil mark.
After that article about the Nats being better without Harper last week, would be quite interesting to see him return there.
I agree that it doesn’t make Harper to Philly more inevitable, but what makes you think this affects the Nationals at all? I don’t think the Nats had any interest in Machado. I think they of course still have interest in Harper, but I don’t think the Machado deal affected it one way or the other.
I am not arguing. Just curious to hear your opinion.
I still think the likeliest Harper destinations are Nationals, Phillies, Giants, White Sox and Yankees, You can never count out the Yankees even when the move makes no sense.
The Nats are better off without Harper. Soto/Robles/Eaton crazy OF, great lineup, insane top of rotation. They´ll probably win WS this year, remember my words.
The Nats are NOT better off without Harper. It’ll be crazy to think Harper does not help improve that already good team.
That being said, the Nats did improve drastically this offseason. I can see them making a run without Harper, but Harper averages a career 3.0 WAR. So saying he doesn’t improve any team is just bitterness.
10 years $300 mil
They’re idiots. They can have him for at price. I’m glad Rick Hahn and the Sox didn’t given to those ridiculous demands. Score another one for the superstar agents who know a dumba$$ team will eventually come along and pay the asking price.
Hahahaha, this comment is so transparent. We knew this would happen. Kenny was practically in tears when he heard the news. Just like you and the dozens of other Sux fans. Hey, keep your head up, you’ll always have Albert Belle to prove you’re big time free agent players… or was it Joey? Lol
You (a Cubs fan) and I have the same amount of WS titles in our lifetimes and it took you 11 more years to get yours. And no, a second title is not guaranteed for your amazing dynasty of a team. Not sure why you’re riding your high horse around today – your team is unable to sign Bryce Harper today because your GM is terrible decision-maker when it comes to handing out big money deals (see Jayson Heyward and Yu Darvish – those two names should be Bryce Harper and Jake Arrieta).
At least they got Lester and that HOF pick off move to 1st base… 😉
Hahaha, you mean the proven champion Lester? Lester is a better pitcher on his off days throwing side sessions than any of the bums the south siders throw out there on the bump. Wait…. didn’t this site JUST highlight the worst rotations in baseball and weren’t the Sux at the top of the list?! Hahahaha, clown.
I will agree I would prefer Jake over Darvish but for some reason I prefer J-Hey over Harper.
Signings like Chatwood and Darvish has hurt the Cubs more than J-Hey.
I’ll bet anyone on here he doesn’t stay in San Diego 5 years of the contract
I concur. He will be traded way before his contract is up
You guys are hilarious.
Why would he be traded before his contract is up? I don’t understand. My understanding is that he will be way too busy winning world series titles to want to get traded.
You should look at the last time the Padres won the offseason. They sold off everybody they signed.
Benjamin — very different circumstances. 2015 was more of a “let’s try it and see if it works. Excite the fan base. Maybe the stars will align.” This is structured around a context of building up the best minor league system in baseball, maybe the best in quite some time.
Hahn blew this big time. I hope they plan on pursuing someone like Keuchel, because they have done nothing to improve the roster for the long term.
A deal this big is a Jerry decision, not a Hahn one.
They have 10 of the top 100 prospects. That improves their roster long term.
I hope the padres sign Harper also. Would be incredible.
What’s the over/under on how many years it will be until Manny wants out? I’ll take 3 years. Bold move by the Friars!!!! Congrats Padres fans!!
That’s a ton of money between Machado and Hosmer for SD. They are really banking on these prospects panning out or will we see a Marlins style firesale in 3 years?
Manny better produce because one not running out a pop up will have fans quickly turn on him.
Everyone’s thoughts exactly.
They are reporting Machado can opt out after 5 years, so maybe he’ll just leave if the team doesn’t improve
That is definitely possible. But Stanton had opt outs too and got traded before it.
I’d love for this all to work out for SD. I like their park and SD is a great city. Would love to see their franchise in consistent contention.
He was never going to sign with the white Sox, not with that low ball offer they tried to give him
Even if they offered top dollar, the White Sox are not a destination people choose voluteerily.
Completely agree, the w/Sox are not a place any players want to go, seems like all reinsdorf owned teams are not a “destination” any players want to go t
What was the low ball offer? Did Manny show it to you? Or are you his agent on a burner account? Don’t be a sheep.
Going by what was reported, and you call me a sheep, we’re all on a rumor site fellow sheep
What was reported? 8y/$250M is what most sources pointed to. That 7/$175M was shot down immediately and never reported again. I stand corrected, you’re not a sheep but rather a troll.
I’m listening to the w/Sox beat writer, stated that all signs pointed at 8 years, low $200 mil, you can hear more about it later when Ken Williams said he didn’t think Machado was going to get $300 million and that he though the w/Sox were the highest bidders, then say that they could not go to $300 mil, now pay the troll
“Low 200s” can be 200 – 220? So 8/240 is not far off from 8/220. Definitely not a “low ball” offer. And I’m glad they didn’t go up to 300 – that’s just reckless. The 2019 Padres = the 2000 Texas Rangers.
Per Ken Rosenthal: White Sox offer was 8/$250M and with incentives it would’ve been worth way more than $300M. I’ll quietly watch you walk out of the room with your tail tucked between your legs.
OverDosedDope – “… and you call me a sheep, we’re all on a rumor site fellow sheep”
Thaaaat’s your daaaad!
ramonskee, I’ll see if any player in their right mind would take a deal that has incentives to make the guaranteed money he got at the end of the contract, after you’ve already played through your prime years, tell me what player would want to prove they are worth incentives when they are at retirements door? When a team just gave you a guaranteed contract, my point stands and it’s proven, w/Sox are cheap, no top tear free agent will sign with a reinsdork owned team, and yeah, with no opt-out, as per team policy, ha ha ha, they are running the team as if this was still the 1980’s-90’s, bunch of clowns, just like you
They should look at kuechel now
Double win for the Yanks. 1) Didn’t spend 30m per for 10 yrs 2) Machado is in the NL for at least 5 yrs. I think the Yanks should look hard at Dallas K. What is he looking for 15m-18m for 4 yrs?
It’ll be interesting to see how front loaded it is and where the opt-outs are.
Wow this is huge. Happy for the Padre fans! Now hopefully the FA Market can speed up a little now I assume.
It’s funny how everyone was saying no way Manny gets his $300MM, he waited too long, he misread the market, blah, blah, blah… let the agents do their job.
So is Tony Clark going to STFU now?
Not until Harper and Kimbrel get their ridiculous contracts.
Does the Pope sit in the woods?
Smart move for Machado and SD. I’m sure he’s got an opt-out in three years that will let him test the waters again. Biggest risk for the Pads is he doesn’t get hurt, but also doesn’t live up to the contract. Probably worth the shot since they’ll have good and inexpensive talent around him.
Holy crap 6 years $450 million!
Shocking! He took the most money and longest years. Good luck Manny. And good luck Padre fans.
The question now is if SFG will pony up and offer Harper 325 million… my money is on the Phils but be cautious of SF.
Reminds me of Arod and Texas. All money no WS
i was thinking same thing .. trade to yankees in 2 years when some money off the books?
Arod did very well in Texas. That’s the example I give of long-term deals that DO work out. Winning a WS takes a lot.
Arod performed really well in that timeframe and put a lot of butts in seats.
It worked out for ARod but not for the Rangers. That team wasn’t balanced enough to win even after signing the best hitter in the game. Interesting how they got good years later without him
Except one of those things happened in the past and the other hasn’t yet.
who cares about winning when you’re making 300mill…
He can’t pitch, run the bases or hustle. You will find this out. OVERRATED.
In other words, you’re jealous as hell.
Exactly. The Cards fans were setting themselves when they thought they were getting Stanton. Basically the same contract for a player that only hits bombs, nowhere near the player that Machado is. Then of course, Stanton wanted no part of STL because it’s BORING among other things… so naturally they have to shift and talk nonsense to save face. STL fans would be ecstatic to attract a free agent like Machado. Hahaha, is transparent. Watch, when Goldy signs w/ the Yankees next winter, they’ll claim they didn’t want to keep him either.
Anyone else envisioning bryzzo16 as a 5 ft 4inch Napoleon complexed boy in his upper 20’s still living with mommy and daddy, spending his work day glued to his phone instead of actually being productive for his company? Probably drives a pickup truck along with many other ways to compensate for his short comings
I love how a Cardinals fan is telling Padres fans what we will find out about a player who has spent his career in Baltimore and Los Angeles. We have electricity on the West Coast too. We follow the game, know who has talent, etc. You aren’t a coach or scout for the Orioles I would assume, so your expertise is far from necessary. Enjoy the rest of your winter.
…and still is a top flight player
Trade for Kluber next?
He’ll get traded within 3 years.
Depends on his production and if he is helping to fill seats. I see him opting out when he has the chance if the market is strong for him.
If he is traded in three year he’ll be 29 and the return would be incredible. No fears, though at all. He’s the superstar that a great farm system can be built around.
What do you have to say Tony Clark?
Dodgers still going to win the division every season lmao cheers to 3rd place
dodgers have no balls to win when it matters!
Does it not matter during the regular season?
And what if we said this to the Brewers 3 years ago?
It would be bullying to say that to Brewer fans. You do realize that the Brewers have made the playoffs just 4 times in THEIR ENTIRE PATHETIC EXISTENCE with exactly ZERO rings to show for it… ever. To put that in perspective, the Cubs have made the playoffs 4 times …. IN THE LAST 4 YEARS. Including 3 straight NLCS and a RING. So the Cubs have literally accomplished more in just the last 4 years than the Brewers have… EVER. So, we don’t pick on the sad Brewers trolls, low hanging fruit, just move on. Let them sit in the corner and eat their paste in peace.
In other news … Jon Jay and Yonder Alonso designated for assignment.
they might be the second and third best players on that team this year…
Padres will still win nothing. Thank heavens the Yanks blew off this guy.
And if you had signed him you’d be talking about how he is a perfect fit. joke.
a lot yankees fans were begging that the yankees PASS on both harper and machado. i would say it was half and half between all yankees fans. the smarter ones didnt want either and the dumber would just say that George wouldve got both. but believe whatever half-truth you want to fit your personal narrative.
I’m an O’s fan and kind of agree with you. I think the Yanks dodged a bullet. Manny’s worst tendencies are getting the better of him. He’s gotten cocky without really being competitive. He needs to find what made him great in the first place because it went missing while he was in LA
Better hope those prospects lije up to the hype.
Otherwise you got 50 million a year in machado and Hosmer and not much else
No way would I want that kind of player.
…You are the reason baseball has fallen behind football and basketball.
@Wolverines2 why ? what’s wrong with not wanting to sign a player because he’s a jackass?
baseball has fallen behind because it doesnt appeal to the kids. the answer to that is video games but MLB doesnt see it. madden and 2k got so many kids into the sports of football and basketball. i mean, just look at how a terrible game like fortnite gets so popular and then look at how there is only one baseball game worth getting and its stuck on one console and is a stagnant mess with no budget
Really? 10 years $300m…what does that say to what Bryce will get…could be huge
Harper to LAD.
334 million a year from their TV deal alone and they still won’t go after him…
Good for San Diego!
Wow. Congrats to the Padre fans. I’m sure most are excited as hell now and they should be.
This should open up the flood gates for many more free agent signings
clearly all about the money and not the chance to win right now
Well it’s a 10 year contract and they have the best system in baseball so…
doesn’t mean any are going to pan out. idk why he didn’t go to philly. instant postseason contender as soon as you sign
I guess Keston Hiura probably won’t pan out either. That would really be something if none of the Padres 10 players in the top 100 pan out. Yikes…its also called prospect capital…Every now and then, teams trade established players for excellent prospects.
If none of the Padres’ prospects are going to pan out what makes you think any of the Phillies’ prospects will pan out? Both teams will need at least a couple guys from the farm to pay dividends if they want to contend.
Really cool to see a small-market team get a player of this caliber. Obviously they won’t contend this year or next, but I’m excited to see how the Pads future plays out. Good for them.
On behalf of the USA and State of California, thank you to Manny Machado for the $142M donation!
The state of California doesn’t have a 47% tax rate. It only feels that way.
LETS GOOO FRIAR FAITHFUL!! IM SO HAPPY I CANT CONTAIN MYSELF!! BEAT LA!
Beat L.A.? Magic 8 Ball says “Don’t count on it”.
1. I guess Adam Wainwright won’t be chirping about players going on strike this season anymore.
2. Do the Dodgers & Giants feel pressure to overpay for Harper now?
No, the Padres (although exciting) are still not a threat to the Dodgers in the NL West this year. The Giants… too many horrible contracts, they won’t be a threat to contend next year even w/ Harper. Bryce is going to Philly.
diagnosis is in…
And the Padres will come to regret it no more than two years later.
They better bring the fences in, this has disaster written all over it
congrats, padres and machado!
I wonder what this means for Urias and Tatis. I’d assume Manny stays at SS, so Urias to 2nd and Tatis to 3rd?
only if they are dumb. Why would they move an incredible 3rd baseman to SS and a SS to 3rd?
lets be honest Machado wanted to be SS because that is a prime position and would allow for biggest payday … now he got money he doesnt care if he is utility guy off the bench. With his “hussle” i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt prefer that spot.
Tatis will be at SS when he comes up in mid April.
Chicks Dig the Longball
My guess is Tatis is SS and Machado is 3B, but I’m sure there will be a fun battle this spring to see which one is the better defender.
Padres said all through their pursuit of Machado that it was to play 3B. I doubt they changed their mind.
Good for him and the Padres…Moustakas is probably upset he didn’t wait a few more days before signing, because his market value just went up.
Can you say albatross?
Heard there’s an opt out after the 5th season. What’s the over/under that he’s a Padre for the full term of the deal?
Small market team “stepped up” which is a euphemism for overpaid.
Congrats, SD. Not sure if they learned anything from the Astros and Cubs on how to rebuild and win.
Yes. They did. Build a No. 1 farm system … just like the Cubs and Astros.
Just lose long enough…
padres have great future as long as the management tries to win.
Jason Heyward is on line 2.
Will he play SS or 3B?
Why the Padres?
i hate my father
Why not? San Diego is a awesome place to live, plus Padres have a incredibly deep farm system that is getting very close to reaching to the major. If things god right. the Dodgers dominance of the NL West will come to a end in 2 years
Pretty sure it’s because they offered the best deal.
170 comments in 17 minutes. I hope this doesn’t break MLBTR!
I’m happy. The guy played all 162 games last season (interesting for a guy who supposedly “doesn’t hustle” ) , the numbers are elite, he can play third or short with Tatis moving, he’s only 26, And seriously, he’s putting butts in seats and selling jerseys for a team that, while improving, hasn’t had a “face of the franchise” in quite a while.
It was never about the money though. He’s said all along how much he likes san diego fans.
LOL! It’s always about the money..
I was being sarcastic
Really thought he’d b a White Sox. Buts if Tatis Jr is really good when he comes up then they def have a good start to there rebuild now.
Enjoy paying 50% of your taxes to the USA and California. However, the Padres are on the rise and San Diego is absolutely gorgeous.
where did you get that figure? out of fish brain?
where is he paying the other 50% of his taxes to?
Were that true, with 5 teams in California, high speed rail should be expected all over Cali.
Doh!…I’m glad you’re not doing my taxes…
How many opt out clauses lol?
1 after 5.
I still think the Yankees will sign him.
suck a gigantic egg
Twitter rumors now has Yanks making late move on Harper?
I truly doubt that but I’m guessing he signs in next few days with Phillis 10/325?
Damn!! Good for the Padres! Nice to see them making a push! They’ve been in the dumps for a long time! Look out Dodgers! Hahahahaha
Can’t wait for this new rivalry! Lol
Tatis Jr expected to be up by mid May, right? A slew of other prospects not far behind. The Padres will be very interesting!
Now Harper to Philadelphia.
Will he play short or third? Tatis is expected to be the shortstop in a couple years. Urias can be second baseman or short now.
This is a good signing. Glad to see the Padres make the move. Yes, the price is high, but with their young core, they have the money available. This move doesn’t vault them over the Dodgers, but it should get them in trending in the right direction. They still need some starters, but with 10 years to work with, their window is open.
No body believed that was possible a month ago. I guess I’m heading to Arizona
The Padres have started to open up the pocket book these last few years. I can’t believe they don’t have a big deal coming. They have two catchers and six outfielders that any team would like.
How many times do you Yankee fans have to get beaten over the head with non signings for the top free agents before they realize George is dead and the kids are frugal.
breaking news out of chicago…white sox sign bryce harper’s best friend, neighbor and butler to lifetime deals. Wait patiently for decision…..
Great…now we have to see this guy step on Muncy’s foot every time he “runs” to first.
This is even worse for baseball than him not signing
because a great young player getting 30 million a year is bad for the sport.
Think of this in the view of Urias and Tatis Jr.
Don’t expect them to compete this year. The goal is, and probably should be, .500 baseball. The pitching staff is still a mess. That being said…. one-two more years, if 2-3 of Gore, Paddack, Morejon, Baez, Patino, Allen, Quantrill, weathers, Espinoza…. just need 2-3 of those to work out…. then this Padres team not looking too shabby. Also need Tatis jr to work out as expected…. but as long as he can get strikeouts under control (not necessarily an easy thing to do), but if he can do it, this team looks really good on paper.
Think of this in the view of Urias and Tatis Jr., Padres could flip Manny next offseason for a Mitch Keller/Whitley type prospect.
If a team wanted to pay Machado that kind of money they’d have signed him. They wouldn’t give up prospects (and certainly not blue chippers like Whitley or Keller) to do it in a year. Such a stupid suggestion.
Does $330 million over 11 years get Harper? Or will Boras hold out to top the AAV, too?
First thought….. He is in the same place as he was in Baltimore. They are rebuilding also, now you can say that the Padres prospects are better but how do you know? We will have to see how the Padre players work out.
So Manny has cash in fist and is in the middle of a rebuild…. only difference is that one place is on the East Coast and the other in the west? ummmm……ok……
The O’s were good in Manny’s first few years. Consistent 90-win squad albeit trending downward. These Padres are average as of today but trending upward with all those prospects
The outcome is the same. He made his money but he is on a non contender. SO what was this all for money or about winning…..$$$$$$$
Best comment ever!
The Os weren’t flush with great prospects the way the Padres are now. Angelos could never build a minor league system the way SD has the was he avoided international signings. The Os never really had a chance the way Angelos botched that organization. Padres might botch it too but they already look a good deal better than the Os did 6-7 years ago
What are the Padres doing? First Hosmer last year and now Machado this year. They’ve got 3 players now making over $20M. Too bad the majority of the rest of their roster looks like garbage! Hello 3rd place at best.
Pads just guaranteed no titles in the next 10 years…….
Nice work Johnny Hustle, just glad it’s not our team. What a waste… 30 Mil for a thug… hope he blows out both knees on his way to sign the contract.
Brew!That’s rough! What are you so angry about? Not your team.
Well your team already has 2 starting third basemen so…
A bit harsh.
Wishing for a 26 year old baseball player to blow out his knees, and HE’S the piece of crap in this equation? Something doesn’t add up.
Your tears taste yummy!!
He’s a Brewer fan, cut him some slack. If you lived in Wisconsin you’d be bitter too, if your team had made the playoffs just 4 times in their ENTIRE pathetic existence… you’d be bitter too.
Brew fan said it right.
daaaaang. Padres did a great job here. They managed to beat out the field and still get a good deal on him.
WOW WOW I AM IN SHOCK !!! WOW GOOD JOB AJ ROCKER GM San Diego PADRES YEA .. NOW WE NEED A STARTER .. ACE TYPE TO CONTEND. IN THE NL WEST.. YEA!!! 🙂
you need a lot more than that to contend
I suppose now Bryce will want 10/300 and a MAGA hat……
Fire sale in 2-3 years. congrats to machado on signing with a franchise that wont sniff October,
So…still not October? You can’t even troll well.
your salty cause its true
His what is salty cuz it’s true?
About damn time !
Dam White Sox…you could have had Tatis Jr AND Machado..but no, The Padres do
yikes, that stings (and im not even a sox fan)
Geez pour salt on the wound why don’t ya!
Yeah they could have had Machado… if they wanted to grossly overpay.
Padresforlife I presume? You and WCR have disappeared..hmm
and the Padres still have no pitching