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Latest On Braves’ Bullpen

By Steve Adams | April 17, 2019 at 11:34pm CDT

After losing closer Arodys Vizcaino to season-ending shoulder surgery Wednesday, Braves general manager Alex Anthopoulos unsurprisingly acknowledged that his club will consider multiple avenues to improving what was already a struggling relief corps (links via MLB.com’s Mark Bowman and Gabe Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution). Atlanta, per Anthopoulos, is going to look to “do what we can … both internally and externally.”

Vague as the comment may be, the minds of all Braves fans are zeroed in on one name: free-agent Craig Kimbrel. However, both Bowman and Burns suggest that a match between Kimbrel and the Braves remains unlikely, as the team isn’t keen on inking its former closer to a multi-year pact. Cognizant of upcoming restrictions on their international spending abilities, the Braves are apparently also placing an extra emphasis on the draft pick they’d forfeit to sign Kimbrel. It’d be a surprise if that were a primary factor in their thinking, though. Atlanta already has a deep farm, and they recently ensured that their two brightest young stars will be on the roster for upwards of a decade. Stockpiling depth and trade capital is an ever-important endeavor, but draft forfeitures shouldn’t be the primary roadblock if the two sides eventually land in the same ballpark in terms of years and dollars.

It seems there’s still a gap, although Kimbrel’s precise asking price isn’t clear. A weekend report from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal pegged Kimbrel’s price point at something in the vicinity of the three-year deals received by Wade Davis ($52MM) and Zack Britton ($39MM) over the past two offseasons, but even those contracts have a fairly notable range between them. For Atlanta, the annual value isn’t a sticking point so much as the length. A three-year deal, per Burns, “is a commitment the Braves won’t make.”

The question for the Braves, if Kimbrel isn’t the solution, becomes one of where they can turn for improvement. The free-agent market is rather bare beyond him at this point. Old friend Bud Norris remains unsigned but, like Kimbrel, wouldn’t be ready immediately. Veteran Ryan Madson is without a team, but as of early February, he was reportedly pondering whether he even planned to pitch in 2019. He’d need even longer to get up to speed.

The mid-April trade market isn’t likely to be any better, as most teams will be reluctant to sell off veteran assets so early. The Blue Jays made a pair of early moves to ship out Kendrys Morales and Kevin Pillar, but financial motivations and a desire to clear space for younger players fueled those deals. Their bullpen isn’t in the same situation. There’s sure to be some depth hitting the waiver wire in the coming weeks, but Atlanta doesn’t have a strong waiver priority, and the preference would presumably be to add more stability than someone who’d recently been designated for assignment anyhow.

Barring a drop in Kimbrel’s asking price, the likeliest outcome looks to be that the Braves try to patch things from within. To this point, none of their vaunted young starting pitching prospects have been tried out as a reliever (with the exception of a lone Touki Toussaint long-relief appearance following a short Sean Newcomb start). It’s worth seeing whether someone like Toussaint, Kyle Wright or Bryse Wilson can step up in the late innings as the team looks for ways to help a relief corps that entered play Wednesday with a 5.43 ERA before being saddled with its second loss in as many days.

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  1. Ninth 3 Year Plan

    6 years ago

    Honestly, the braves just seem cheap AF

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    • doxiedevil

      6 years ago

      that is gospel

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    • stymeedone

      6 years ago

      Why? Because they agree with Every Other Team that Kimbrel is not worth what he is asking for?

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      • bravesfan

        6 years ago

        No because this entire offseason we were promised that the resources are there to get what’s needed and we didn’t do one move to address the weakest area on the team. If we made 2 bullpen upgrades this offseason in a bullpen rich market, we could have come away spending way less than what Kimbrel is asking and dramatically improve the bullpen. That’s why they are cheap af. They refused to even make reasonable smart moves. Now kimbrel is all that appears left and of course we don’t want to spend that cash on him and as great as he is, he’s only 1 guy. That entire bullpen minus Parson is a train wreck right now

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        • black69

          6 years ago

          It’s not about cash. If Kimbrel would take 1 year at 25 million, I bet AA would give it. It’s about years. 3 years to a dude who consistently laid eggs in August, September AND October of last season is an INSANE guarantee to ask for.

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      • Braves4Ever2025

        6 years ago

        It’s interesting, everyone claims closers aren’t worth the money.

        Meanwhile everyone’s bullpen is absolute trash this year.

        Maybe I’m missing something….. Or maybe these teams could, I don’t know, be wrong? Just because they think he’s not worth it doesn’t mean he’s not worth it.

        Keep eating up what these organizations feed you so they can remain cheap though.

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        • tharrie0820

          6 years ago

          Bullpens are more than just closers

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        • TLB2001

          6 years ago

          Also closers on the wrong side of 30 coming off their worst season in a walk year where they got absolutely torched in the playoffs and then demanded 6 years $100m and pissed and moan when everyone told him to F off.

          The era of the true closer is over, the Andrew Miller role of having a group of guys who can get high leverage outs whenever is the new trend.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Well, everyone said Cleveland was gonna have a horrible pen, yet they currently have one of the best. It doesn’t take breaking the bank to have a good bullpen, just guys who perform up to or beyond their abilities.

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        • johnrealtime

          6 years ago

          Last year wasn’t his walk year and “torched” is a bit extreme. The guy still converted 6 saves in the postseason

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        • black69

          6 years ago

          And he did it with a historic offense and an ERA over 4.

          Dustin Pedroia would have converted saves with that lineup behind him.

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          Many of those Closers being paid top dollars are on teams whose bullpens are trash. Maybe thats what youre missing.

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      • martras

        6 years ago

        Every other team agreed Kimbrel wasn’t worth $100M. He’s now asking for like $50M.

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        • Jon429

          6 years ago

          …and he still hasn’t signed anywhere

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      • bigkempin

        6 years ago

        No because they hustled the taxpayers for a new stadium….then entered the offseason saying that they had money to spend…and then did next to nothing to improve their team while the Phillies and Mets both vastly improved their teams.

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        • MasterShake

          6 years ago

          All these anti Kimbrel guys are pretty funny. Braves sign him today and he immediately becomes the best option out of the bullpen.

          Want to defend the moves of the club, but will be the loudest ones moaning when Atlanta misses the playoffs this season. And the first place you can look is that sorry BP.

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  2. ammiel

    6 years ago

    Could Zaidi help here, deal Smith and Watson for Camargo is my thought! Play him in a corner OF, probably not going to happen…but is close to fair i think.

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    • paddyo furnichuh

      6 years ago

      Is Watson is also only controlled for one more year(like Smith)? I agree with your point, it seems fair.
      I don’t think ATL FO will part with that many years of control of a good young infielder(however luck-BABIP-fueled his last two seasons have been)

      Maybe a larger package with Longoria and cash involved, ala AA’s former employer’s deals have gone recently.

      I suspect AA is so focused on balancing short term-long term to agree to that type of deal. If Liberty Media granted the FO more financial flexibility, this supposition would have have more merit.

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    • Jonathan B.

      6 years ago

      Are you serious?? Trade Camargo is something that should never be said, ever!!

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      • Perksy

        6 years ago

        Yeah but they don’t play the guy. It’s a waste having him in the majors

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    • jkurk_22

      6 years ago

      The whole point of signing Donaldson was to get a better player at third, but more so, to move Camargo into a super utility role. Our bench was suspect last year. We wouldn’t want to undo one problem and make another

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  3. Asmongold

    6 years ago

    Here’s where the “financial flexibility” should come into play, but it won’t and they’ll settle for more dumpster diving. Honestly, they’re wasting the talent they have on the team by ignoring a clear area that’s needed to win, not only now, but in the playoffs. You can’t use a “scrape by” tactic on it anymore. Didn’t work in the 90’s and won’t work now.

    The Braves have a very good offense and defense and a decent/solid rotation when they get some guys back. Sad and Pathetic to see the bullpen blow games when the Braves could easily have an extra 2-3-4 wins because of it. Which could prove to be crucial down the stretch. My guess is AA will experiment with call ups from AAA and wait until the Braves are about 10 games out of first to make a move. Then when the Braves miss the playoffs he can say, “well we tried”.

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    • doxiedevil

      6 years ago

      could get passed by Nationals next …. AA is a yes man, his hands are tied. Winning last season was a total mistake, shows how little it matters now compared to butts in the seats.

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    • nymetsking

      6 years ago

      Yeah, those Braves of the 90s, whatever they did, it didn’t work. Missed the Series, what, three times? The shame!

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      • Asmongold

        6 years ago

        Can’t tell if this is sarcasm but here’s a history lesson.- lost 4/5 ws. 3 of those ‘would be wins’ lost by the pen. They’re lucky that 1 win was due to the rotation and their opponent. I actually want rings not appearances. I guess a Mariner fan can’t relate.

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        • black69

          6 years ago

          You say that…until you realize what living in a non-competitive baseball town is like.

          Give me 20 years of a chance and no victories over 3 years of a rebuild.

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        • braveshomer

          6 years ago

          the Braves literally just completed that life cycle; 20 years and a chance and rounding it out with 3 year rebuild ….so which one are saying you’d rather have?! lol

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  4. sportsguy24/7

    6 years ago

    They should bring Grant Dayton back up.

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  5. ReverieDays

    6 years ago

    The Braves are like those good Tigers teams that had terrible bullpens and never did anything to try and make them better. And we all saw how many titles the Tigers won before starting their rebuild.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      I think the Red Sox fit the tigers description. I think they have under 10MM total spent on relief pitchers with a 200+ MM payroll. Ran by the same man, so there should be no surprise there.

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    • stymeedone

      6 years ago

      DD tried, and many dollars were wasted on players that did not make much of a difference. But he did spend some in the bullpen. on closers. Depth he builds on the cheap.

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  6. Koamalu

    6 years ago

    As bad as the Braves bullpen is, if they won’t make a 3 year commitment to the best reliever in the game then they are making a commitment to losing. No pennants in the Braves foreseeable future.

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    • Yep it is

      6 years ago

      Typical cheap Braves and AA is clueless. He is just happy to have the gig. As far as the 90’s go to the statement above. I don’t remember the Braves as being feared, only how pathetic they were as we all knew they would win a division title and not progress much after that. 2nd place is the same as last. I also remember how the Nationals were going to slow play it. How many have they won. ZERO

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The braves’ Revenue is on par with teams like the New York Mets who are notoriously called cheap around here. The Braves 2019 payroll is over 30 million dollars less. Just to put that into perspective. I don’t think they’ve gotten enough crap for their lack of spending. Particularly now with the 2 absolute bargains on their payroll for the next decade.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I think it’s kind of crazy that MLB actually allowed the Braves to be a debt swap. The potential hazard that creates is crazy. I realize there’s more than a couple owners out there who look at their team as a profit generator over putting the best team out there but I can’t believe this won’t hamper them at some point down the line.

          Liberty Media wants strong margins and to maximize profit. As any good publicly traded company would but I can’t see that not getting in the way of the Braves at some point. How much payroll can they add in one season? Or how far under their budget do they need to be in the beginning to leave room for those additions? (You might be seeing that right now.) I hope for Braves fans sake I’m wrong about that but it just seems like a huge hazard.

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        • sidbream1991

          6 years ago

          Of course it’s a hazard. They want payroll stability… something they can project 3-5 years down the line.

          I’m all for playing the ling game and don’t think we should have made as many moves as many fans wanted this past winter. But it’s obvious that there are restrictions in place.

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        • bravos4evr

          6 years ago

          for the last time, liberty os nit allowed to take profits or add payroll due to both an agreement with mlb on the former and their shareholders for the latter. The team runs on revenue.

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        • martras

          6 years ago

          They’re not looking for payroll stability. Signing long term contracts gives you stability. They’re looking for payroll suppression.

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        • stymeedone

          6 years ago

          Maybe a better term would be payroll flexibility.

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        • martras

          6 years ago

          No, maybe a more diplomatic or delicate term would be “flexibility” but that’s not what the Braves seek. The Braves seek suppression because there is no intent to ever use the potential flexibility you’re talking about.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          That doesn’t change the fact that MLB spending isn’t pegged to their revenue year to year for other clubs. And that goes both ways. Whether you want to spend more or less in a given year. It’s a situation where you could easily see a conflict arising.

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      • DTD

        6 years ago

        AA isn’t clueless. He can only do what the rapists known as Liberty Media will let him do.

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    • johnrealtime

      6 years ago

      I think you’re pretty offbase Koamalu, I think the Braves would make a 3 year commitment to Josh Hader if they were able to (the best reliever in the game)

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  7. ACK

    6 years ago

    I wonder if Liberty Bell stockholders like their profit/earnings ratio more than the Atlanta Braves record? Kimbrell would be a nice fit, but the earnings / share of Liberty Bell stock might take a hit. Maybe Bud Norris is avail to fix all problems with this bullpen?

    I guess that $442 million in revenue in 2018 along with the baseball welfare, i mean revenue sharing, doesn’t go as far as it used to.

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    • black69

      6 years ago

      Wow! You read a buzz feed article blasting the Braves spending! I’m glad you’re an expert now.

      Tell me about the MLB policy on debt service.

      Crickets?

      I thought so.

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  8. brave from the woods

    6 years ago

    The Braves will dumpster dive as usual or experiment all season with call ups & if everything goes sour, it’ll just be “part of the process”, “we tried”, “we’ll have more flexibility in the offseason to shop on any aisle”, blah, blah, blah…..

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  9. rondon

    6 years ago

    Even if they’re cheap as mentioned above, they have so much depth in their minor league system it seems crazy they won’t use some of it to get help. What is the point of that much collateral if they don’t use it?

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  10. chippahawk

    6 years ago

    This isn’t the Braves organization we know, if there’s a problem it’s always been addressed.. What a waste of a great opportunity. I’d absolutely love nothing more than for liberty and AA to witness a good ol walkout by the fans for not going to the plate for the fanbase.. Screw your greed!

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  11. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Wouldn’t take much to obtain Ken Giles. AA knows the phone number. Blue Jays clearly will trade in April. That’s Atlanta’s cheaper option…

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    • azbraves20

      6 years ago

      Couldn’t agree more.
      Quit selling me on using Luke Jackson because he is out of options.
      Good stuff just hasn’t put it together.

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      • black69

        6 years ago

        Actually, he’s been perfect since opening day. I know, I was over him too.

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    • Braves4Ever2025

      6 years ago

      Perfect! Another guy who has baserunners all over him every inning!

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    • martiny44

      6 years ago

      Not Giles. Trade for Stroman. Stick that little bugger in the pen. He’s one of AA’s guys

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      • black69

        6 years ago

        Honestly, even though he’s 5:7, I would rather have Giles then 3 years of Kimbrel and loose the slot money.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Jays would be better served either extending Stroman (since Grichuk was given an extension for no reason and Jays lack pitching depth), or Stroman is dealt to San Diego for one of their young OFs plus others.

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  12. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    DO SOMETHING BRAVES! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!

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  13. walshanater

    6 years ago

    Ridiculous. Kimbrel is obviously a better option then anything the Braves have in there organization. He is the best free agent relief pitcher available. Pay the freaking guy. The Braves have lost multiple games already due to a crappy bullpen. Get the best guy available.

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    • black69

      6 years ago

      Barry Bonds never retired. Is he the best cleanup option too?

      Quantify how, when the last three months of his age 30 season were the worst of his career, entering his age 31 season a flamethrower like Kimbrel is obviously a better option?

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  14. riffraff

    6 years ago

    How about sending over a young SP/ SP prospect to the cubs for Carl Edwards Jr.? He started rough this year but has a pretty good track record and the cubs have to start thinking a year or two down the line where they will get starting pitchers ( 3 of current 5 are gone after 2020).. Which P from ATL be fair ( actually asking I don’t follow them close enough to hazard an educated guess)

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  15. Braves4Ever2025

    6 years ago

    This is more lies. Right now 3 years is “too long”

    Kimbrel could drop his length to 1 year and the Braves would revert to the excuse his total price is too large.

    It’s just a circle of lies with this organization to not get anything done. One after another.

    It’s hard to walk away from the team you’ve supported your whole life and just check out from baseball entirely but I’m probably closer than I’ve ever been to doing so right now. And the sad part is it’s a good team team. I watched them rebuild and never felt this way.

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    • bravos4evr

      6 years ago

      then you don’t understand baseball and were never a fan.

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      • Braves4Ever2025

        6 years ago

        If you think this is about baseball then lol.

        This is about finances, don’t confuse the two.

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        • black69

          6 years ago

          Yea, and finances dictate your baseball team.

          All you guys…Kimbrel sucked the last third of the year. How can you say this isn’t a question mark? 29 other teams passed on him.

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  16. bravos4evr

    6 years ago

    paying for bullpen is dumb. go look at the big free agent relievers and how they are doing. just scrap heap it together. and for goodness sake people, liberty media does not control payroll or take profits from the braves, they run autonomously on revenue. this is public knowledge. they even had to loan the team money for the stadium rather than buy it due to their unique ownership relationship.

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    • braveshomer

      6 years ago

      I thought the last time you said liberty media doesn’t take profits was ‘for the last time’ lol

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      • bravos4evr

        6 years ago

        dangit, you got me! lol

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  17. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    I thought the Braves might go after Alex Colome before he was shipped out to Chicago. He’s affordable, not super old, and has a lot of back end bullpen experience. Plus, I feel they could have put up a better package of prospects than Omar Narvaez.

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  18. Metman34

    6 years ago

    Kimbrel makes a TON of sense for the Braves. He is arguably one of the best closers in baseball, only 30 years, a veteran (leading a young team), and remember when he played for the Braves, yah, he’s played in Atlanta before.

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  19. braves25

    6 years ago

    I would love to obviously see Kimbrel back In Atl…but he does not fix everything.

    I think there are options that could be traded for already. Smith and/or Watson from SF…no I am not trading Camargo for them. Ken Giles in Toronto. Leclerc in Texas might be available as well.

    I think a couple moves need to be made honestly not just one! Due to that Kimbrel is not likely the move to make.

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    • Braves4Ever2025

      6 years ago

      Why trade for Ken Giles? He’s just one person too.

      If Kimbrel doesn’t fix everything then Giles doesn’t fix everything.

      Point is you have to get 1 before you get 2. I don’t think there’s many advocating for Kimbrel who don’t also think we need additional relievers beyond him.

      He’s the start because hes clearly available. You’re listing guys who might not even be available, let alone the fact we have no idea the price it takes to land them.

      Keep in mind the Braves are so cheap a sticking point with Kimbrel is an unsigned 2nd round draft pick at the moment.

      If we won’t forfeit some unknown prospect, what makes you think we’ll start dealing prospects we do have that have shown promise and strides toward the mlb?

      Ken Giles and Leclerc aren’t going to be free.

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      • braves25

        6 years ago

        Those guys are also financially cheaper then Kimbrel is, that is why I think the Braves probably start there instead of with Kimbrel. I WANT to be wrong, I would love Kimbrel back in Atlanta. I am just trying to think as a true GM and not just with my heart.

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  20. oriole

    6 years ago

    Oh no

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  21. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    I think Kyle Wright can man down a bullpen spot this year. I like Bryce Wilson also cause he’s generally a strike thrower and has the build to take the taxing work of the bullpen

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    • bravesfan

      6 years ago

      We still would need kimbrel

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  22. chippahawk

    6 years ago

    Sooooo Acuna and Ozzie are basically just revenue builders and being used for gross profit… What a disgrace of a rebuild if we’re not going to take advantage of it!
    It was pretty much “here’s Josh donaldson guys, go get em and good luck with the rest..”
    Man I wish we could get get 2 solid relievers for him even if we had to pay some of his salary right now. Camargo has way more fun with the kids and just looks like be completes the 3 headed monster of he, Ozzie, and acuna matata.

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  23. braveshomer

    6 years ago

    Bullpens and closers are like kickers in Football….no one respects them until they have a bad one and it costs them games. Bullpen is a crucial part of the game and it shouldn’t have been ignored as much as it had

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    • chippahawk

      6 years ago

      Shorten the games to 6 or 7 innings like softball..
      That would appease to the young ADD generation that can’t sit and watch a baseball game and eliminate this BP garbage to an extent.

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      • braveshomer

        6 years ago

        well yeah you could do that lol, just might work…on a side note have you ever listened to music with a teenager now a days? they change the song before it ends, every single song every time, drives me crazy! ADD generation for sure lol

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  24. pztpaco34

    6 years ago

    From what I understand, Bud Norris is not anybody’s old “friend”. I would feel more for the players if they had to have Bud in the locker room again. Word is that he’s quite a drama queen.

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  25. braveshomer

    6 years ago

    Trade Josh Donaldson to a power 3B needy AL team for some 1-2 good middle relievers, Whitesox or Yankees perhaps?…Sign Craig Kimbrell. Let Carmago play 3rd fulltime which should’ve happened anyways, Culberson now ‘super utility’ who needs more at bats. Claim or sign Brad Miller and Blake Swihart for bench depth. AA head might explode trading JD but the team got way more balanced….that’s all i got today from your local ‘arm chair GM’, thanks….p.s. while we’re at it sign Keuchel who will know accept a 1 year deal apparently and put Touki in the pen. Man that team sounds stacked…just sayin

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    • rossj

      6 years ago

      Fire AA and hire you. I like it. Donaldson has better value in AL as 3B and DH. Camargo, Albies, and Acuna have great chemistry together and meed to be in the lineup together everyday. It’s time to release Biddle, Jackson, and Carl.

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  26. martras

    6 years ago

    Elite closers almost always pitch well until their upper 30s. From 2000-2018, the top 10 save leaders and the ages they remained active/near peak.
    1. Mariano Rivera (43/43)
    2. Francisco Rodriguez (35/34)
    3. Joe Nathan (41/38)
    4. Trevor Hoffman (42/41)
    5. Jonathan Papelbon (35/34)
    6. Craig Kimbrel is now only 30.
    7. Francisco Cordero (36/33).
    8. Fernando Rodney (42/41)
    9. Houston Street (32/31)
    10. Billy Wagner (38/38)

    A 3 year contract with Kimbrel has minimal risk. History says it’s almost a foregone conclusion Kimbrel will remain highly effective over the time period.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      I’m not sure that comparing saves leaders is a great way to show Kimbrel won’t decline. That’s not any different than showing me great set up men who didn’t decline. Which again I don’t think says much about an individual player. I’d be more concerned about Kimbrel the individual rather than what a bunch of old closers did.

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  27. Backatitagain

    6 years ago

    The Pirates have a serious need at Shortstop. The Pirates also have a premium mindset toward defense. This may make for a good trade partner with the Braves. The Braves could send a premium shortstop either Dansby Swanson or Johan Camargo to Pittsburgh for left handed relievers Felipe Vazquez and right handed reliever Nick Burdi. Vazquez has a 3-year, $18 million deal with two ($10) option years added. Vazquez, 27 year old, is a premium closer as good as Kimbrel with premium velocity. Burdi, 26, was a rule-5 from the Twins with a big arm. Kyle Crick is another possibility in lieu of Burdi. Darren O”Day would return to Pittsburgh as part of the deal along with Shane Carle to equalize payroll impact.

    With some payroll certainty added, Kimbrel could still be an option for further improvement, but not really necessary.

    May also check in on Gregory Polanco, currently injured, is on 3-yr, $24.5 contract with two additional option years. The Pirates may be willing to deal him for a couple MLB ready pitchers like Sean Newcomb or Kolby Allard and Bryce Wilson. Polanco should be ready to return in a month or so for a multi-year solution in Right Field.

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    • rossj

      6 years ago

      The most successful teams in all pro sports are the ones which are privately held businesses. You can expect this team to experiment with internal low paid options. It’s what they do! Pitching is the most expensive piece of a baseball team, because it creates wins. The Braves were successful in the 90’s because of Glavin, Smoltz and Maddox. Winning the NL East last year was a fluke and you saw how mediocre they were against the Dodgers in the playoffs. They will continue to bank on the development of young players because it is the least expensive means. This team will compete for 3rd place at best. and a wait till next year marketing strategy.

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      • sidbream1991

        6 years ago

        Unfortunately this is the most complete and correct post I’ve seen on this site. Sad but true.

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  28. bchapm11

    6 years ago

    BRING UP THE YOUNG ARMS! Smoltz and Glavine both started in the pen. They need big league reps. Max Fried already said his time in the bullpen has helped changed his mentality when approaching hitters and it’s paying dividends. I get we have relievers, but if none of them can throw a strike, then we have nothing to lose. At least test it until the June deadline where Kimbrel might still be available.

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    • rossj

      6 years ago

      It’s already started. We will see the pitching bus running back and forth to Gwinnett. It’s the cheapest and most expedient option. The announcers are already saying it’s time to see who’s got what. We need to use these young pitchers in long relief roles.. There are going to be games when the starters are out early. Considering this strategy, I would like to see Sabotka given the chance in the closer role I think at this point this is a team that will finish no higher than third in NL East.

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  29. Kevin28786

    6 years ago

    AA should go into politics. He’s a smooth double-talking little liar. He could go far in that arena.

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  30. mattynokes

    6 years ago

    There’s no excuse not to go after him now. If he wants three years and the Braves don’t want to make that long of a commitment, then offer two years with an option for a third. If he doesn’t want it, so be it. But with Vizcaino out, they don’t have excuses left to not try to reel him in.

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  31. wallywhack

    6 years ago

    Last I checked, the Blue Jays were a rebuilding franchise. Joe Biagini and Ryan Tepara have more than serviceable arms but will be on the other side of 30 by the time Toronto is ready to contend again. And Ken Giles is pretty much lights out as a closer who also falls into that category. Given AA’s ties to the franchise I’m thinking those three names are quite possibly being bandied about as I type.

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  32. Sd2112

    6 years ago

    Two things the Braves can do here…

    1. If Soroka performs well enough today I say keep him in the rotation and run with a rotation of Folty-Gaus-Fried-Touki-Soroka and move Teheran to the pen. That might not be a favorite option by many, but I believe Teheran can be successful there.

    2. Another thought would be to try and get the DBacks to trade Bradley + Holland. They have seemed to be willing to go into a rebuild mode with the NL West being extremely crowded. I think they could get away with this by sending a couple of their specs with the centerpiece being Wilson. This immediately upgrades the entire rotation and gives us a top end set up man and a top end closer.

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      Zona is an option. Good call.

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    • braveshomer

      6 years ago

      can this go down today and they just switch lockers rooms? That would be super convenient

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    • Braves4Ever2025

      6 years ago

      Moving Teheran to the pen will never happen though.

      Plus Teheran has been good this year apart from 1 really bad inning in Colorado.

      I’ve long been a supporter of booting Teheran from our rotation but as it stands he’s definitely earned the right to be in there so far this year.

      Then I doubt Wilson is a strong enough center piece to bring back Bradley and Holland. They control Bradley on the cheap for 3 more years. Wilson might return a rental of Holland alone, but not both. With Bradley you’re going to have to toss in Allard at least, plus more lower end pieces.

      And that’s if they want starting pitching to begin with

      They already have Top 100 prospects Duplantier and Widener in their pipeline who are near ready. Ray has another year left after this season (who they may look to extend) and Greinke has been hard to get rid of with 2 years left.

      Then they just added Weaver who appears they’re interested giving a shot to turn it around on his own, controlled through 2024

      Is starting pitching really what they want?

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      • Sd2112

        6 years ago

        I agree, I mean it’s not like they are hurting for specs all together. They have some nice pieces I think they could move. The only question here is are they really willing to move them or not.

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    • acmeants

      6 years ago

      I’d take Will Smith and Madbum if SF will take Minter and Teheran. I think it’s safe to say that the Braves will exercise the $1 million buyout option on Teheran. Otherwise they’re nuts. Bumgardner is getting $12 million this year and Teheran is getting $11 million, so the deal is somewhat even moneywise. Braves get a better starter for the rest of the season. Teheran gets a change of scenery in a bigger home park and comes with one option year.

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  33. biffpocoroba

    6 years ago

    AA needs to make a move to get at least one more arm into the bullpen to calm things down, and yet not take on too many years or add too much cost, since that now seems to be against their business model. Since they seem to be “all in” on Camargo, which is understandable, one quick fix would be to trade Austin Riley to the Giants for Tony Watson, who the Braves would have under control next year at the ridiculous cost of only $2.5M. It’s only one move from the outside, but coupled with some of the other internal moves mentioned here it would go a long way towards steadying the pen.

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    • Kevin28786

      6 years ago

      Yeah, for God’s sake, don’t spend anything, AA! The Braves are SO POOR………LMAO. How a multi-billion dollar corporation can get fans to take their side over the players who do all the work is beyond me, but they have certainly pulled it off.

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    • doxiedevil

      6 years ago

      Maybe get Watson and Longoria ( Back up unless Donaldson gets 23 million more in 2020) … Giants need youth badly.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Tony Watson’s contract has escalators in it that make it worth far more. I recommend searching his name on MLBTR if ou were curious. You aren’t getting him for that price.

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      • acmeants

        6 years ago

        Watson OK, Longoria no.

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  34. Gwynning's Anal Lover

    6 years ago

    If they wait a few weeks, the Pirates will place a few of their relievers on waivers (the guys on the IL are coming back). Look at what happens to Pirates pitching, they leave the team and become aces (ie Cole, Glasnow, Morton)

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  35. doxiedevil

    6 years ago

    Bud Norris…. rather have Chuck Norris

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  36. braves2

    6 years ago

    Honestly, who cares about kimbrel right now? it’s the 6,7,8 innings that they are giving up runs. when they’re up 5-2 and lose 9-6 kimbrel is irrelevant

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  37. seth3120

    6 years ago

    Seems like the Pirates were once considered a team that rejuvenated pitching careers. Your examples are on point have they changed pitching coaches?

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