8:08PM: The deal has been officially announced. The Mets will also receive $1.5MM in cash considerations from the Jays, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.
5:41PM: The Mets and Blue Jays have reached an agreement on a trade that will send Blue Jays right-hander Marcus Stroman to New York, according to Jon Morosi of MLB Network. The deal is pending medical review. According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal, minor-league pitchers Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods Richardson will be sent to Toronto in the deal.
Stroman emerged as perhaps the most coveted starting pitcher on the market, with contenders like the Yankees, Braves, and Astros linked to the New York native. In a surprise development, though, the Mets entered the fray as a seemingly unlikely suitor given their competitive state. However, Mets brass have been staunch in their belief that the team, while likely out of the race this season, can contend in 2020 and beyond. For that reason, general manager Brodie Van Wagenen and the front office have targeted controllable pitchers like Stroman, who will remain under team control next season.
At first glance, it’s a somewhat puzzling acquisition for a team that doesn’t boast an especially deep farm system and yet isn’t in a position to contend immediately. However, there may be more moves on the horizon. As has been speculated, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler, and Edwin Diaz will be in high demand for contenders, meaning that New York could strengthen the farm system by dealing away those assets. Adding Stroman affords increased flexibility to sell off Major League talent while remaining competitive.
Syndergaard in particular would likely command a more impressive prospect haul than Stroman, so perhaps the Mets’ thinking is that, in trading Syndergaard and acquiring Stroman, the improvements to its prospect pool will offset any dropoff in pitching and allow the team to remain comptetive while capitalizing on the value of existing assets. Of course, the Mets may demand Major-League ready pieces in exchange for Syndergaard, supporting the notion that the club plans to avoid a rebuild.
Wheeler is in his last year of team control and is slated to hit free agency at season’s end, making him perhaps the most obvious trade candidate from the Mets’ impressive crop of starters. It’s possible that, in hopes of contending next season, the team could hang on to Wheeler and vie to keep him around for the foreseeable future. If he departs in free agency, they can collect a compensatory draft pick, and if he stays, they would boast one of the National League’s most formidable starting rotations on paper, with Jacob deGrom, Wheeler, Stroman, and Syndergaard.
After a disappointing 2018 season in which injuries limited Stroman to making just 19 starts, he has bounced back considerably this season, returning to the form that he showed in 2017, his best season. In 124 2/3 innings this year, he’s posted a 2.96 ERA, good for fifth-best in the American League. The 28-year-old is undeniably not a strikeout machine, but he makes his living by inducing weak contact and ground balls: in 2019, he’s conceded just 0.7 home runs per nine innings, which is all the more impressive given the homer-happy league environment. That ground ball style has driven a solid 3.52 FIP despite average walk and strikeout numbers.
In Kay, the Blue Jays will receive the Mets’ 4th-ranked prospect and top-ranked pitching prospect, according to MLB Pipeline. The Mets’ first-round draft selection in 2016, Kay is a 24-year-old left-hander who is pitching in the upper minors, a proximity arm who could earn a promotion this season. After dominating Double-A and earning a promotion to Triple-A, he has encountered some difficulty, as evidenced by his 6.61 ERA after seven starts. Still, this is a prospect who is on the brink of cracking the Majors, and is viewed long-term as a back-end starter—a nice contrast with the second pitcher headed to the Blue Jays in the deal.
Woods Richardson, meanwhile, was the Mets’ No. 6 prospect and 2018 second-round draftee. Just 18 years old, he has risen up prospect lists after sriking out 97 batters in 78 1/3 innings at Low-A ball. His 4.25 ERA is not a sterling mark, but a 5.6 K:BB ratio in 2019 indicates that there is potential that perhaps has yet to be unlocked. MLB Pipeline touts his ceiling, noting that no “pitcher in the system can rival the young right-hander’s upside.” Between him and Kay, the Blue Jays will boost their minor-league pitching with a combination of Major-League readiness and high upside.
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Surprised. I thought a contending team was going to acquire Stroman this means that Noah Syndergaard will be traded.
To the twins
Probably the padres
80% chances it’s one of those two, they would have the guys to get it done.
80% chance it’s either padres or braves.
Mets aren’t trading Syndergaard in the division unless the Braves go way beyond with their offer
Cardinals.
can’t imagine the Braves have enough assets, without being able to use the international free agent market, I can’t see how they could get Thor
The Braves system has enough prospects to get Thor any day of the week, the question should be will they
Lol the Braves have plenty of assets.
Are you joking? Atlanta has a top5/10 farm system team? Who don’t they have to trade?
Are you on crack? Braces have a very deep farm system & can easily get any player they covet. Wow, I can’t believe someone could be that dumb to say such a thing. I am not even a Braves fan or watch National League ball until the playoffs & I know this!!
Braves….not Braces darn auto correct
Nope. They won’t deal anyone of significance to get anyone of significance.
Why would the Mets trade him in-division if they plan to compete next year? It’d be one thing if it was Wheeler who’s a pending FA, but Thor has years of control.
The Cards have several young MLB ready arms I can see that. I would like to see Reyes, Poncedeleon, Bader and make them take Carp.
Atlanta has more prospects in their system than they know what to do with. They have the pieces to get Syndergaard. Besides, Van Wagenen is running the Mets’ front office. Atlanta could point to Syndergaard’s stats and injury history to force Van Wagenen to lower the asking price.
They just won’t spend money to keep him or any other player of consequence.
I would say padres or twins seem WAY more likely when you consider this. Mets would likely want a higher demand from the Braves than they would from an out of division team, but when you factor in that the Mets are seemingly going to attempt to contend again in 2020, it makes it more likely that the Braves would have to pay an astronomical price to acquire him when the Mets would have to face him next season, while trying to contend. If the Braves acquired a Mets pitcher, my bet would be on Wheeler.
i wouldnt have said this without researching it, but since it was put out there, do the braves still have a top 10 farm system? i know a year ago it was top 2 but now that acuna, albies, toussaint, soroka and fried are all on the big league roster where does it rank?
You mean the Braves that just gave out 2 long-term extensions to albies and acuna? Or are you talking about some other Braves?
Astros
Yeah, they only have fried, Allard, toussaint, Newcomb, wright, Anderson, pache, Riley, waters, gohara, Wilson, Wentz, and Muller.
If they deal Diaz, they aren’t competing next year, think about it, a young closer who’s struggling after an All Star season just a year ago, who also gets paid very little, and you’re gonna deal him a half a year after you traded top prospects away. If they deal Diaz they show their hand for next year that they are acquiring prospects for the future. Would make sense to deal Thor after that wherever as long as they get a good enough haul. Which the Braves have the assets in the farm system to be a top contending team for Syndergaard.
You might be a little over the top here. What value is there you calling someone a dumb crackhead? I hope it makes you feel better to bully people online my friend
Did you watch Bader play against the Mets? Hard pass on that.
If this coaching staff can’t figure out how to adjust a 25 year old kid who saved 57 games last year, makes $600,000 and is throwing 97+, get rid of THEM all first.
Hopefully you’re right twinsfan368
High hopes eh
Of course. Who knows, get Wheeler to
‘Stros
Hope your right, but wondering….beyond Lewis or Kirilloff…hope its Lewis…what other pieces would Twins need to include to make Thor a Twin?
Darwin 22 I would rather get trade away kiriloff over Lewis, we have our outfield locked down for the foreseeable future, our 2nd base isnt, maybe Arraez stays there, maybe he moves to 2rd and sano to first. Hard to tell
That would be so sweet!
Mets aren’t playoff bound and won’t be even with Stroman. Thor is getting traded for sure now. If they were competent, it would be the Yankees. We really want Syndergaard and no prospect is off the table. But no, Wilpons want to keep sticking it to us for no other reason than that we share the same city. Freaking Mets
Oh, boo hoo.
Hahaha!!
Lmfao. It’s genius.
Sad.
Arrogance of Yankee fans is hilarious.
Ronnie and urshela should get it done /s
*romine
Bitterness of Yankee haters is even funnier
Or other teams have better prospects that could be the case I know it’s hard to believe.
We don’t need Syndergaard and Stroman is overrated.
Every team could use Thor, actually. Stroman is very solid
Hah-hah!
Garcia is a middle reliever, Frazier is a butcher, Andujar is meh, Torres? That’s a start. Outside of them I don’t like anyone on the Yankees. Torres is possibly enough I just don’t see it happening.
Yes and you are a scout and have enough knowledge to know what Yankee farm prospect is and isn’t? Stop with the bafoonery. My new word so please don’t copy it.
And ur insane….a package of Garcia, Fraser, Andujar and Florial would be a haul for Syndergaard
Did you watch Andujar play last year? The guy is a terrific hitter with quick bat speed. “Meh” is your description? You obviously did not watch him play.
Hisvdefense is still atrocious.
Nice new word, Billy. How does it differ from “buffoonery?”
Either you never watched the Yankees play or haven’t looked at the stats, or you overrate Syndergaard by a million. Torres isn’t going to be dealt for Syndergaard it’s as if the Sox we to deal Benintendi for Syndergaard, will never happen. Check out Garcia’s AA stats to see how dominant he was in AA this year. Everyone hates on Frazier because he’s always up and down in the Yankees system, the Yankees don’t want to lose Frazier’s options, which is why he’s in AAA instead of Maybin and Tauchman, plus all three of them have played very well this year and if either of those two get sent down, they go straight to waivers. Fraizer in AAA is a move solely on not losing guys that also contribute. And Andujar was incredible last year and had a real shot at ROY last year. Sure his defense isn’t the greatest, but teams overlook defense if he is capable of hitting 290 and hitting 20 Hrs
2015-2018…Sybdergaard is 4th in ERA in the Majors.
1. Kershaw (2.22)
2. deGrom (2.66)
3. Scherzer (2.71)
4. Syndergaard (2.93) <—this guy
5. Kluber (2.96)
6. Arrieta (2.99)
7. Bumgarner (2.99)
8. Sale (3.00)
9. Greinke (3.00)
10. Strasburg (3.27)
lamyj34, please tell us more of how ppl are “overrating Syndergaard by a million.”
haha poor poor Yankees, can’t get everyone. poor poor Yankees…try and get someone else. NY NY crime. beating each other up with MLB players.
How old are you 3
Sorry ericm25. How old are you 3
If they were competent, to the Yankees? Why not to any of the like, four other contenders who could beat their best offer?
You gotta be kidding, for many years and I mean many years especially when the Mets had a decent team the Yankees would not trade to the Mets to help them out,, now it’s time for the Mets to stick it to them…. Go Red Sox
Yeaa the same Yankee fans that are offering Frazier, Greg Bird, Clint Frazier. If the Yankees want Syndergaard I want Torres in any deal.
be realistic. when have you seen a two year star player like Torres included in a trade for a pitcher? The haul that was paid for Verlander, Cole, Darvish, etc are more realistic. it’s almost always prosoects and Torres is a bonafide mlb star caliber player.
Hey Yankee fan… Maybe if you offer the Mets Frazier they will give you Thor, Wheeler and Stroman?
LOL
Haha that’s seriously how Yankee fans think!
Give it a rest, the Yankee fans do not think like that.
You’re right Jim, they’d want the Mets to throw in Alonso.
or they would expect the mets to take back ellsbury since they are taking on thor or edwin diaz’s salary
Yanks won’t because they don’t want to trade anyone of value. A majority of their fanbase seems to think they can get a Thor, Bauer, etc. for Clint Frazier.
Nahhhh not true but nobody is dumb enough to think trading Torres for any pitcher especially as volatile of an arm such as Noah makes any sense.
Won’t trade anyone of value? We know nothing about what Mets are asking for apart from Gleyber. Doesn’t make sense to deal Gleyber for Thor. Gleyber is a more valuable player than Thor, regardless of the Yankees need for starters.
Now, that said, there are plenty of prospects on NYY that are valued by other teams, Garcia and Frazier being a couple of them.
They have the players to offer a fair deal, Mets simply don’t want to do what they perceive as helping NYY win.
I don’t agree with that mentality on either side of the opposite team is offering a quality package.
They WILL NOT trade Thor the the Yankees. I think the point of acquiring Stroman was to block him going to the cross-town rivals.
I think Stroman’s number on the Mets team should be the number 4 and the letter Q. That’s the statement the Mets we’re making to the Yankees.
why would the Mets make a trade just to stick it to the Yankees? rivalry or not that world be stupud.
Welcome to Wilpon World, where stupid reigns supreme.
Not so sure Thor’s getting traded. I wouldn’t be surprised if the only one traded is Vargas.
Did you even read the article? They move was made for 2020 in mind. They can get a nice haul for Syndergaard and reload for 2020. Not that hard to comprehend.
Mets are not planning a rebuild.
hence his usage of the word “reload.”
We? You are on the team?? Haha too invested bro
I hate when people call out fans for using “us” or “we.”
Just stahhhp.
Us?
@pinstripeproud Other teams can offer better prospects than we can. That’s not to say we can’t make an offer they would like but clearly other teams can do better. It’s all a matter of “will they”? At some point, teams are going to feel the ask is too great.
I don’t know if you guys can beat out any offer from the Padres or Braves. No offense, but they have much better prospects than the Yankees do.
If I’m the Mets, the conversation starts with Deivi Garcia, Estevan Florial, and Clint Frazier. If the Yankees say no, I’d move on to the next team.
Doubt it. Mets are back in the Wild Card race, have won 5 of 6, are 10-5 since All Star break and have easiest schedule in NL for the rest of the season. If anything, Vargas is bout to be moved. A team that’s selling doesn’t make a trade like this.
They’re incompetent though.
So glad, Yankees wtg this guy sucks!
Mets aren’t making the playoffs. They have so many other teams in front of them right now.
5 games below. 500 , 11.5 back and in 3rd place in NLE… they have had the pieces all year to be competitive and have underperformed year after year. assuming the play at least 9 games a piece between the other teams in the division they will have a hard time making the WC
Players not “pieces”.
It’s accurate to describe the pen as “pieces of…”
So sick of idiot Mutt fans.
After this stretch of games against the Sox, pirates and marlins they play 31 straight against winning teams.
Only the Mutts would be dumb enough to think they are back in it after facing garbage teams since the break
You do realize Stroman isn’t a rental and this move is also with next year in mind. But calling the Mutt fans is so original. Next you’ll call BVW, wagon wheel like some other fool that used to troll this site. But please be more original, Mutts is so 1962
The Mutts are out of it this year dummy. So he’s only a factor for ONE year, thus a rental.
They trade from an already weak farm system for one year of an inconsistent starter. Not to mention he’s a contract pitcher going to the worst defensive team in baseball.
It’s a brain dead, desperate move by a clueless GM
Ultimately, the Mets being a trainwreck org won’t matter bc the Yankees will still get shutdown in the playoffs bc their SP is as reliable as Andujar’s defense. Everyone in baseball knows they are in trouble w/o bolstering their SP….which is why the rumors of teams aiming really high and asking for roster players keeps happening to the Yankees. The rumor that Frazier is only getting moved for a controllable arm is one response, but teams are looking higher at every day players.
It’s not like the trainwreck Mets have been to a WS more recently than the Yankees…oh wait. The only team more disappointing over the past 5 years is LAD, who can’t win the big one. The Mets are a mess, but the sweet tears of Yankee fans after HOU curb stomps them after another failed season.
I mean… it’s the Mets we are talking about. They are absolutely that stupid.
True
Mets could be angling to move Stroman in some sort of package deal before the deadline. If not, poor dude. Not the NY team he was hoping to land on lol
Why wouldn’t the other team have just acquired Stroman in the first place?
The team(s) couldve been outbid/Jays reluctant to trade within the division (if one of the teams was the Yankees)
If they got outbid the Mets certainly aren’t going to flip Stroman for less after this so that’s out.
In the same division?
Well, in theory, lets say the Mets have outfielders and the Jays need outfielders. The Mets need catchers and mystery team has catchers. The Jays don’t need catchers. Mets give outfielders to Jays and then get catchers from mystery team
@andyg37 If that was it they would make it a three team trade and any one team backing out causes the whole thing to fall through. The only reason for Stroman to officially be a Met for even a second is if they intend on using him. His trade value can only go down from this point.
Typically yes, but they could be juggling multiple options ir have another 3 team trade lined up. This is all highly unlikely but its possible in theory. My guess is they had the pieces to get stroman and believe they can now get a bigger offer for Syndergaard and/or Wheeler now that they are the premier arms on the market. they can also sell stroman next year to recoup some of his cost, but his value is clearly at its peak now.
Why would they trade Syndergaard at this point? This move clearly signals that they want to win. Trading Syndergaard won’t help them win.
Maybe the other team didn’t have what the Jays wanted. But they may have what the Mets want. Or the Jays could have just preferred the Mets offer.
So you think the Mets are going to trade for Stroman and then trade him to someone else… for an inferior offer to the one they gave up?
… K
@Show Me Your Tatis:
What about the possibility that Toronto wasn’t getting what they wanted from other teams, but did from the Mets, while the Mets have the asset a team like San Diego wants (Syndergaard) but won’t give up Gore+ to get?
It is entirely possible the Mets made this trade knowing that Stroman wouldn’t get anything near Gore, but packaged with Syndergaard would get them Gore and then some?
who mentioned what players are involved for you to think it’s inferior?
Unless the Mets value the prospect haul differently than the Blue Jays
If Stroman has another solid season, he can get moved in the off-season or next trading deadline for a similar haul. I’m not wild about the move bc the Mets are gutting an already weak farm system and they have many other needs, but they might be able to salvage this deadline with smart moves with Diaz, Frazier, and maybe wheeler.
No he can’t. Teams aren’t going to give up more later on when they no longer have the ability to use Stroman in the 2019 postseason.
No the only point in doing this is to build a superrotation and trading Thor won’t help them to that end.
It could if they get a Forrest Whitley back from the Astros for Thor, especially if they get Whitley plus another one or two players
The astros are heavily rumored to be in on Wheeler and Syndergaard. Since Tucker+ seems to be a no-go, expect the Mets to ransom Wheeler bc upgrading their rotation with the best available piece st the deadline just puts more distance between them and the rest of the AL. Maybe the Yankees get Ray, but will he be enough? Who pitches games 2 & 6 for them?
It won’t be Padres at moment per Rosenthal.
Was hoping the A’s would go out and get him
That is all it took to get him? Seriously disappointed in the Twins that they couldn’t pull off a trade for him.
Ikr those prospects the jays got aren’t even in the mlb top 100 list
Kay is very good prospect and Richardson isn’t bad either. I think Toronto did ok on this deal.
a top 100 is just a list. plenty of guys should be on iur but aren’t. the fact that Jason Dominguez at age 16 is listed as a top 75 prospect is ridiculous. we have guys like Cannan Smith and Chris Gittens that are posting great numbers but aren’t mentioned as top 100 guys. use the top 100 lists as a guide and no more than that.
from reports the Jays never circled back to the Twins after their initial offer, guess they probably had assets in mind they wanted
The Bluejays *really* wanted Richardson, since the 18 draft. He was the target and they apparently were willing to take a slightly less to make it happen.
sounds like Brodie fleeced the Jays
Don’t trade either. Give Wheeler a qualifying offer n grab good pick if he leaves. Trade Diaz, Frazier, Ramos, Smith, Lagares for some minor leaguers n a Mlb ready reliever or 2. Lugo becomes the closer for rest of the year. It’s evident Diaz can’t handle NY. Too bad. Tremendous arm.
Mets don’t have to trade Thor. They didn’t give up anyone of note; two non-top-100 prospects. They can probably trade Stroman at next year’s deadline for about what they gave up.
Zach Wheeler will get traded.
BVW just made the demand for his starters go up.
I think this makes trading Syndergaard less likely, but makes it more likely Wheeler will be traded. Otherwise this would only be trading a more controllable P for a less controllable one. Which would be foolish, but then again, these are the Mets
Just trying to make the Yankees mad lol.
Mad!! We haven’t been mad at the Mets since ah 86 lol but that is funny they traded for pitcher we wanted. But I’m glad we didn’t give up a young Garcia and Frazier for him. Because that’s who they wanted
Bvw isn’t even that stupid to go for a middle reliever and a butcher dh lmao
Since when do they rank middle relievers as the 21st best prospect in the sport?
If you think Deivi Garcia is a middle reliever than you don’t know much about him. Has a much higher ceiling than that.
Deivi has the potential to become a top of the rotation pitcher, but the odds are high that he ends up in the bullpen based off of his size. He seems like a right handed Justus Sheffield. Between the three levels García has pitched at this season he has a higher BB/9 rate than Sheffield had in the Yankees system last year. Both are undersized with big stuff, but walk a lot of batters.
Every team has at least three guys like Deivi. They all have the potential to be something great. Let’s see in 5 years how that turns out.
I certainly don’t think Deivi is bad or anything, and I do think he has a ton of potential. But I also think he is way overhyped due to being in New York just as Sheffield was. Before he even through a pitch in Seattle his prospect ratings were tanking.
The size argument is funny considering this is a thread on Stroman.
Funny or not, it’s still a valid argument. Nothings going to happen 100% of time.
Name 3 guys in the Mutts system like Garcia then.
We’ll wait, lol
how are they “overhyped”? Sheffield and Frazier were both top 100 guys before the Yankees acquired them from the Indians. I love how it’s “only” the Yanks prosoects that are overhyped. what do writers from baseball America and all the other guys gain from favoring yankee prosoects? can we stop with that?
but to me, a 20 yo with his stuff and his success at AA warrants being a top 100 guy.
who expects it to happen 190% of the time?
Boogaloo
Matthew Allen
Josh Wolf
Thomas Szapucki
let’s see…
Wolf has pitched all of 1 inning and that’s was in the Gulf league.
Szapucki has been in the minors for 5 years and has yet to crack 52 innings in one season, missed all of 2018 to TJ surgery and hasnt pitched pass high A.
Matt Allan was drafted this year and hasn’t thrown a pitch.
in contrast Deivi is 20 years old, just promoted to AAA and will probably end up throwing over 100 innings this year and in 265 minor league innings has only allowed 180 hits while striking out 379 batters.
Now he’s still a prospect and a lot can go wrong but i can’t see how you could possibly compare those 3 guys to Garcia. 2 of them have less than 2 innings in their brief careers.
Lol, 2 guys who have never thrown a professional pitch and a 23 year old in A ball are now the same as the 21st ranked prospect in the game who dominated A ball and AA at age 20?
But Mutts fans aren’t complete morons.
Wow… was really hoping the Braves would get him. I was almost certain they would. This stings
Same here
I know I’m going to be even more upset once we see who the Mets gave up.
Kay and Richardson means the Braves didn’t offer anything or they weren’t willing to beat the Mets bid. Your choice.
Braves won’t pay up.
The Braves could’ve given them their 40th ranked prospect and outbid the Mets. Toronto got a 24 year old AAA pitcher with a 6.6 ERA and someone with a 4 ERA in single-A. There are still a few days before the deadline. This is bordering on malpractice by the Jays GM.
Don’t bother looking at their scouting reports to understand their value.
Scouting report? He’s not 17, he’s 24. Injury history and can’t prevent runs in the minors, but his k-rate is similar to Stroman’s. Stroman was the top starter on the market, and the Blue Jays completely screwed it up. There would almost have to be better offers than this before the deadline.
A 6.6 ERA in the PCL is pretty normal.
Just think cheap…….
What a joke of a GM
Says the joke of a person who has no clue what the Mets even gave up in the deal, nor what their follow-up moves would look like.
But sure, jump on the Mets hate bandwagon just because.
Well based on his previous moves I think it’s fair to call him a joke until proven otherwise
Is this Mrs Van Wagenen’s acct?
Look at the Jays return and repeat that line. I dare you.
You clowns are now going to trash Kay when last month you wanted him in the rotation because he so good.
As woods was “electric”
Lol
Bottom line is they traded their 2 best starting prospects for 1 year of the zack wheeler of the AL
Do you mean Toronto’s GM? Look at the garbage going back. Look at the sogard deal: 2 players to be named later.
the sad thing is the PTBNL could be better than what was received in the Stroman trade
WOAH
Mets are so dumb
Why is it dumb? Quality pitcher with control next year. Don’t even know the cost to acquire yet.
Its a team with no hope of 2019 contention. 2020 maybe it pays off, maybe it doesn’t. But they would be much better trading off assets and tanking for a better draft position. This is definitely the bonehead deal of the deadline.
Again. You don’t know what it cost. It very well might not make sense but get details first.
If the cost was low enough for it to make sense, then I’m sure another team would have topped the offer
Yes we do. It cost more than all 28 other teams, even the ones who could actually use him this year, was willing to pay. If you think they somehow stole him and thats why this will magically make sense, then stop dreaming.
Maybe they acquired Strowman knowing they’re trading Syndegaard and like the players they’re getting for him more than those they’re trading. Then they still have a #2 for this year and next. It’s not like they can’t move Stroman down the road.
We don’t know the cost. What we do know is there are 3 days till the deadline and stroman was a hot commodity.
They must of gave up alot.
We also know they paid a higher price for a guy contending teams offered for 2 years, where as the Mets really only get one year or of him.
Do you actually think they got him cheap?
This is a clueless franchise desperate to say they are competing and trying to out think everyone
Two minor league pitchers. Kay is decent and the other is a flyer. Seems like a good deal to me. I’m not a fan of either team but seems very low cost in my opinion
only a moron values a proven mlb pitcher to a draft pick. even if the Mets aren’t contending this year they need to be TRYING to contend next year. they turned two prospects that MIGHT be good down the road but weren’t seen as top 5 guys now for Stroman. they can flip him if they wish for vetted prospects (as opposed to a draft pick) or can keep him for 2020.
First, I think Thor stays. Second, I know you meant Stroman, but I think it would be awesome if they played WWE’s Braun Strowman’s music when he took the field especially since he’s 5’8″, 180 lbs and Braun (Adam Scher) is billed at 6’8″, 385 lbs. They already use Brock Lesnar’s music at Citi Field when the Mets take the field at the start of the game.
because the Mets are kidding themselves if they think they have a legitimate shot at contending next year, and there is np guarantee Stroman resigns when he realizes just how dysfunctional the organization is. already has an injury history, and his injury propensity. wolnt get better on the Mets
Hmmm…a non contending team trying to get better by acquiring a talented pitcher. The insolence!
its called mortgaging the future. Stroman wolnt do them any good as far as making or winning in the playoffs, while theyve given up presumably decent prospects.
On top of the the awful Cano deal and taking on 60 million for a closer and losing their top prospects, yes this is just dumb.
@smrtrtanur if they trade Thor they aren’t trying to get better
@DarkSide how are the Mets at all mortgaging their future when they effectively gave up nothing of value? Anthony Kay is a #4 starter if he reaches his potential and the other guy most likely never sniffs an inning above AA.
They gave up nothing to get something.
The have a good nucleus of players like Alonso, McNeil, Conforto (who I think will be traded before the beginning of next year), Rosario, and Davis. So I think they definitely have a chance of a wild card next year.
They also have some glaring weaknesses. Defense is one, older players like Cano, a need for a center fielder, and a catcher.
buy they didn’t mortgage the future. in fact 2020 technically is the future abd with how much they have invested in some if their players they should be trying to compete next year.
@darkside830 It’s silly to suggest the Mets can’t contend next year. They have an entire off season to fix whatever holes they have but if they decide to hold on to Stroman, Syndegard and deGroom then that’s a big plus for them. Not every organization has a fire sale because this year didn’t work out the way they wanted it to.
They didn’t “give up nothing”. Those were two of the Mets better prospects. The deal wasn’t bad, it’s just dumb for the Mets to give up young talent because they’re going nowhere and have very very little young talent in general.
Agree 110%
It’s dumb because they should be rebuilding, not buying. But like you said, we need to understand what they gave up.
Because the Mets aren’t close to competing. This trade makes zero sense unless they got him for one low level prospect, or if they immediately trade him out too.
It’s ok if they want to contend this year or next but if that’s the case trading Thor makes no sense.
How does it make no sense Ryan? If they believe Thor is overrated and they’ll recoup more value from him than it costs for Stroman it’s a net positive. BVW always planned on competing next season, whether realistic or not. If he flips Thor into ML ready pieces and can extend Wheeler and/or Stroman this could turn out to be a great move. Lots of moving parts that have to come together for that to happen. Far too early to speculate because we don’t even know the cost.
@Pads Fans it makes no sense because except for this year Thor is better than Stroman and has another year of control compared to Stroman. If they wanted an established starter in the rotation then it makes more sense to just keep the one they got. And you can’t just assume Stroman or Wheeler will extend.
I wonder if BVW wants to trade Thor because he is privy to something as his former agent that the other GM’s aren’t. I might be hesitant to trade for him…
@pads fans?
Anyway, if they get say, Kyle Tucker + for Thor it’s easy to see why they would consider this to be a net gain. You weren’t going to get Kyle Tucker for Simeon Woods Richardson and Anthony Kay. If you look at it that way it’s not hard to see the benefit. If they consider Stroman to be able to replicate Thor they are better off for next season.
You can’t assume they cannot extend any of the players either. That’s the presumption you always operate under but only BVW and their respective agents know that. Even if he does not know Stroman’s POV on an extension I’m positive he knows Thor’s considering he was his agent and now GM. That’s not really the main point of any this either.
Pads Fans is you. You can’t resist your urge to do the “Ryan” thing. That contributes nothing to the discussion and is clearly intended to be antagonistic.
They would get more prospects for Thor than they gave up for Stroman because Thor is better and controlled a year longer. If they are actively trying to contend in 2020 and especially 2021 this doesn’t help them.
Please understand that trading for Stroman doesn’t guarantee that he will sign with the Mets. Nor would not trading him have guaranteed that he won’t. Unless it’s a Sonny Gray type situation where Stroman signs an extension as part of the trade then your logic there doesn’t work.
Ryan I’m from Baltimore, Md. You can not like me, I’m cool w all that but one thing I do not do is hide behind multiple accounts. Look in the mirror. Changing accounts is your thing. It’s so obvious it’s you after a week of posting on a new account I just don’t understand the point. . I wasn’t using “Ryan” as a dig either; it’s your name. Has nothing to do w the fact that you constantly change usernames.
Having Luis Urias or Kyle Tucker or fill in your near ML ready prospect(s) here and Stroman could be better than having Thor and Anthony kay for next season. It’s not a Bauer situation where you’re trying to get better in the same year. They could be a more complete team if they have say Luis Urias and Adrian Morejon. or Kyle Tucker and Jb Bukauskas/Framber Valdez. Whatever the package is.
That’s how the logic works. The extension doesn’t even come into play using that logic. But it probably is another real life consideration. BVW May know he has no shot at extending Thor and may believe he can w Stroman. Either way if he knows for certain he can’t w Thor it’s a consideration.
Sorry bro but it’s obvious when you both feel the need to try and derail every conversation you see me in to that. This thread is about Marcus Stroman. You can take your preposterous Internet beef somewhere else.
By doing what you suggested, the Mets are downgrading the rotation for 2020 and REALLY downgrading the rotation for 2021. There’s a reason they would get back better prospects than they just gave up if they do trade Thor. It is a downgrade for the immediate team.
Thor isn’t a FA until after 2021. If BVW thinks the Mets can contend in the next 2 years it shouldn’t matter if Thor will extend or not. And if not then buying a guy with only one year of control left at peak value makes no sense.
Lmao I said nothing to you about that today, Ryan. I said something and then said,”Ryan.” As I often refer to people usernames/name when talking to people on here. Then you tried to interject something about a Pads fan into it. But it is alright in your mind you are never wrong. And there’s never another Way to look at things. Hard to converse w people like that.
Exactly. Only people who are trying to be antagonistic do that.
It’s antagonistic to say your name? Did I refer to you as little ry ry? Or sad little padres boy? I don’t think it’s insulting when someone says my username in a reply. I mean this would be another prime example of you never being wrong….
1. You know exactly what you are doing.
2. I never claimed to never be wrong.
3. What is your issue with me?
I think your first instinct is to be defensive. I wasn’t saying a word negative about you. All I did was
offer a counterpoint on the Stroman trade. I often use names when replying to people; you’re not special.
I know you are Ryan so I called you Ryan. I’m not calling you Tatis or whatever handle your using this month. I was replying to your point about Thor.
I don’t necessarily disagree that they’d be better off with Thor and Stroman but there’s an argument for moving him for a haul of ML ready pieces at positions they are weak at. Which doesn’t completely mortgage the future for next season.Theres also half a season and an entire offseason before they need the prospects they acquired to make that impact. That was just a counterpoint. There’s often more than 1 way to look at things. And like I said, BVW may know Stroman is a possible extension candidate and Thor is not. That point has nothing to do w the prospect package they gave up. It’s just a long run consideration. BVW has a few days before the deadline to confirm that as well. Which could ultimately move the needle on what he does w Thor.
Not getting Tucker for Thor either
This trade just knocked down the value going back for all these SPs now
Not really how that works. There’s now less SP’s on the open market. Trades are never perfectly correlated to each other anyway. The return on Thor we’ll have to wait on.
It’s called reading between the lines. It isn’t hard to do.
Those other pieces are not going to help them in the next 2 seasons more than Thor would. Now if they are gearing up for the long-term future then that’s one thing but if so, then trading for Stroman (who is even closer to FA than Thor) makes no sense at all. They need to pick a direction and stick to it.
And the thought of signing Stroman long-term isn’t a reason to trade for him unless, like I said, it’s a Sonny Gray-esque arrangement. Otherwise they are more likely to end up with another situation like the Padres had with Freddy Galvis. I mean let’s be honest, the Mets are kind of a dumpster fire right now. There are more attractive destinations out there.
Show Me Your Tatis, you’ve always been condescending and aggressive with me. I know nothing of the beef here, but I do wish I could block you. Your “takes” are usually preposterous and your aggressiveness to another’s perspective is totally out of whack. I’ve witnessed it personally and to others. Learn some humility and you might realize that you know nothing but your own opinions.
Gwynning where did you even post on here? I do not see any comment other than this one. If you have a problem with him, either refute what he said or make a comeback that strikes a similar tone to what he administers.
Also, is Gwynning a burner account for JBigz? I ask because he was having an argument with that guy.
WereAllJustGuestsHere said it all.
@jbigz12 upon further investigation I don’t think a Stroman extension is forthcoming.
nypost.com/2019/07/29/marcus-stromans-yankees-desi…
Some people just don’t get it Look deeper folks let’s see how it plays out
No, I was offering insight to ShowMeYourTatis’s MO from previous interactions. No burner account here, this is my only signin. If we could block anyone here, SMYT would be the only one I would.
Well said
@Gwynning have the Padres traded Will Myers for Trevor Bauer yet?
Good riddance
Well….this was unexpected
Syndergaard out then?
Gosh dude I hate the dang yankees ur not gonna get everyone on the fricken market
Yankees not trying to get everyone on the market. Check your payroll list. Several teams, i.e, Dodgers & Red Sox have way larger payrolls than the Yankees.
The Dodgers do not gave a larger payroll than the Yankees…the Red Sox do.
The Yankees have the 2nd highest payroll 217 million which is only 9 million less than the Red Sox. Get your facts straight.
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
I stand corrected. Thank you.
really though, they tend to make a big splash year in and year out at the deadline. no reason to believe they arent at least in on almost everyone.
You just mad we sent you a lousy catcher, John Paul Ryan, and you basically gave us Aaron Hicks LOL
Nah dude it’s just that everyone should have a specific salary cap so it’s fair for every team and FA you sign
Good point.
Or there should be a salary FLOOR and everyone should actually TRY to compete. Don’t fault the ownership groups that at least want to win and don’t mind spending the money to do it
lol no there should not be a salary cap to “make it fair”. Your Twins have just as much money as the Yankees, the difference is your owner is cheap and would rather line his pockets than put a championship-caliber team on the field.
You have sponsors, TV and radio deals the same as every other team. Blame the ownership, not the teams willing to put a quality product on the field by spending money. Also, your team is the Twins, my team is the Yankees . One plays in Minnesota and hasn’t been relevant in four decades, the other plays in New York and has a storied history dating back nearly a century. Where would you sign if you had identical offers from both teams?
Hey now, it’s been less than three decades! lol
You don’t know how economic work do you? The Twins do not, in ANY WAY, Have the same TV deal as the Yankees. The Yankees have their own network and therefore get more ad revenue than the Twins. The Twins are on a RSN. While they get money from that RSN, it pales in comparison to what the Yanks get. The Yanks also play in a larger media/population market than Minnesota and have more eyeballs on their games locally (to say nothing of the national attention the two teams get). The Yanks, because of their market and prestige, can (and do) charge more for tickets than the Twins do.
And those are just a few things as to why you are so goddamned wrong it’s not funny. So, yeah, baseball does need a salary cap, it’s needed a salary cap since these mega contracts started popping. And I’m saying this as a Dodger fan.
Wow…what a clueless statement. According to statista.com the Yankees had a 668 million revenue in 2018, the Twins, 269 million. In fact, Texas, Seattle, Colorado, Milwaukee, Cleveland, San Diego, Detroit, Arizona, ChiSox, Minnesota, Cincinnati, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Baltimore, Tampa, Miami, and Oakland all had revenues less that HALF what the Yankees did.
Only 5 teams have a revenue over $400 million. I am not saying we need a salary cap, but, know what you are talking about before you state it.
@twinsfan368 Who is the last major FA the Yanks signed? Tanaka? Chapman? This team is mostly built thru the minors and trades.
Of course you hate the Yanks, they own the twins like a pimp owns his hoe!
he farms part time?
LOL typical overreaction from a Yankee-hating fan of a rival. We’re not trying to get everybody, but we are in on everybody
@twinsfan368 How old are you? all he said was “Syndergaard out”. not “Syndergaard to the Yanks”. Relax.
You would have to assume that, it’s a horrible trade either way.
…but why?
Lol wow
That’s was dumb
Unless they want to flip him to the padres or someone else
Why wouldn’t the Jays have just traded him to the Padres in the first place if that was the case? Why trade him to the Mets as an intermediate step?
Its otherwise called multi-team deal.
Maybe the Jays couldn’t get the return they wanted from another team because Stroman isn’t actually worth what they were asking? Maybe the Mets had the best offer and can get the prospects they want from SD by packaging Stroman with Thor?
@AllRiseForTheJudge if that was it they’d make it a three-year trade and if anyone backs out, the trade falls through. Stroman is a declining asset so unless the Mets think they can use him they aren’t going to risk getting stuck with him.
Well thats dumb
Yankee trolling at its finest
world’s smartest sports organization.
WTF Cashman?
Brodie thinks this is fantasy baseball
Even in fantasy baseball his deals are idiotic. Lol. Like as a fantasy manager I at least understood that assuming Cano would be good at his age coming off a PED suspension was dumb. And that Diaz was poised for some regression after his miraculous 2018 season. Plus Diaz is only a closer, those guys only have so much value, and he can’t get even go more than an inning. Brodie is just dumb.
Cmon twinkies
No chance
Mets or Knicks? Which front office is worse?
Mets. Bobby Bonilla ftw.
In fairness, the Bobby Bonilla thing was like 5 front offices ago. If we are going back that far, then allow me to say Isiah Thomas FTW.
It’s the Knicks by a country mile. The Knicks are the worst in all of sports.
Marlins.
consider MIA and NYM’s most recent trades and get back to us then.
Mets went to the world series in 2015.
The Knicks have not made it to the NBA equivelant of an LCS in 20 years,
The Mets are inept, but the Knicks are on a whole other level.
I mean Toronto just gave up a year and a half of an <30 ace for a pretty meh package. Mets could easily replace what was lost and then some with Syndergaard.
Say it with me: That’s so Mets…
It’s a shame he could have helped so many teams
He still might if the mets flip him…
If that was it the third team would have just traded for him in the first place!
bold strategy brodie
But the Mets aren’t in the race!!??
guess the Thor-Stroman rumors were true then
Wow. Well played Mets! Now they can trade Syndergaard, replenish, and try to extend Wheeler. Dom Smith has to be going back. Maybe Nimmo.
Yes could use Ninmo if another OF goes back in deal. Smith even if Smoak is Trade might not be room for him because have Bichette is going to be SS when comes up. Drury needs a spot to, Lugo and Gsellman in Deal.
Delusion lvls over 1000
lmao and what makes you think that Wheeler will sign an extension big guy?
They won’t replenish much more than they gave up and now have stroman for one year instead of Thor for 2.
What a stupid move
Perhaps Morosi misunderstood Yankees or Astros?
Bizarre, return will sure be interesting to see.
Why though?
Same reason Pirates traded for Archer.. None.
Well, then…..
Glad he will not be a Brave. If the Braves don’t get Bum or Syn, then don’t bother “improving” the team. They will either miss the playoffs or be another early exist if they stand pat with the terrible rotation. Improving the bullpen will still make the team bad.
And hilarious that he goes to the Mets who, as another poster stated, are a laughing stock in NYC! Stroman even stated that the NL is “where pitchers go to hide.” Eat crow!!
Why are the Mutts getting another pitcher while trading Thor and Wheeler? Stupid move.
Yankeedynasty—is it a dynasty when you don’t win a W/S in 10 year—-the UNKNOWING stankee fans are so ignorant The Mets will lose 2 starter after this season and I think Lugo too. So they don’t have to trade Thor if they’re not blown away. Need a true CF. Just because the Mets don’t follow the STANKEES BUY BUY BUY is no reason to Hate stankeedynasty (sorry to true Yankee fans BUT this A-hole needed it) Just don’t go 0 for 4 in BOSTON because that’s who you’ll meet in the Playoffs.
Lol, the Mutts fans are so confused.
Bye bye Thor.
Stroman will fit in perfectly with his big mouth and constant celebrations.
After next year they won’t even have him, lol
children! behave yourselves…..yall really calling each other stankees and mutts, i’m over here eating popcorn and reading comments just laughing, yall hilarious!
@metfan4ever Pleaaaaassssseee refrain from dissing his name because he may well be old enough to remember several dynasty moments. meanwhile…. we’ve won 5 world series since your Mets won their last in 86.
Guess he knows he will be back to being an armchair GM and agent again soon so hes going to mortgage the teams future to try and save this season and the next before hes fired.
Hilarious
Exactly what he’s doing. He could care less about 5 years from now and he’s just gutting the organization so he can have a small shot at winning.
Sad part is, Mets fans are somehow defending this, lol
if everyone here feels the Mets have a light package for Stroman then how can you hate this deal? even if the Mets aren’t contending this year they still should be trying next year.
Because they traded prospects for one year of an inconsistent starter.
A starter that relies on defense alot and the Mets are the worst defensive team in the game.
The team already had a bad farm system. They desperatly need to rebuild, NOT trade prospects
Exactly, the trade itself was fine. It’s the fact the Mets did the deal that’s the issue. They have a terrible farm system and just gutted more for a small chance next year. It’s beyond idiotic and wreck less.
I think they will keep Thor now. But trade Wheeler. They should have an amazing rotation next season. Will need to upgrade the majority of their lineup tho.
Degrom, Thor, Stroman, Vargas, Matz.
Why not keep Wheeler and have a terrific rotation? A 6-man rotation never hurt anyone
Because he is a free agent at the end of the season. Might as well get 1-2 offensive upgrades for him. It will help them rebuild their offense. (Which is an obvious need)
Gotcha.
Are you drunk?
Who the hell is giving up 2 mlb ready offensive upgrades for a guy with a 4.7 era in a pitchers park in the national league?
Plus he was just hurt, pitched poorly when he returned and is a free agent in 2 months?
God Mets fans are dumb
1) I’m not a Mets fan
2) I said an offensive upgrade or 2. The Mets have a lot of holes. And their offense is kind of a dumpster fire. So I’m sure an upgrade to them would be expendable to a contender. (Which is who would be trading for Wheeler because he is a rental so the only time a team would trade for a rental is if they think he can help to put them over the top in their playoff rotation)
Exactly my point, no contender is giving up mlb ready players for wheeler.
Just simply for depth reasons. There are 2 months left and a guy not playing much but contributing is not being dealt for a guy with no team control who was just hurt and is having a bad year.
I bet there are several teams that would do just that to improve their rotation simply for the playoffs:
Brewers, Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Phillies, Indians, and Twins are some examples. Teams that would shot him into the 3 hole in their playoff rotation if they make it. They wouldn’t have to give up a lot but it would be worth it to give up something. And anything would be a fairly good upgrade for the Mets who aren’t going to contend this season but if they improve their lineup some have a legitimate possibility to compete for their division next season. I know their bullpen has been a mess this year. They have 20 something blown saves. I think that number is super high for their personnel. I don’t think that Diaz and Familia are as bad as they have played this season so far. Say they improve that number from 20 something down to about 15. Poof they are right back in the playoff mix. They also need to improve their lineup significantly. But if they can do that either by trading wheeler and maybe signing 2-3 offensive upgrades this offseason I think they can compete for the division. Their division is loaded but that would at least give them a chance. That being said I would take Degrom, Thor, and Stroman against probably any rotation in the league except for the Dodgers, Astros, and Nationals.
So give me an example of who this teams would give up for wheeler?
I agree.
Vargas’s contract might not get pick up and the Mets will just let him go. Wheeler has sign if trade he’d like to sign back with the Mets. Just like Chapman did to the Cubs by signing back with the Yankees. Matz is a #5 starter at best. A shut out game doesn’t change that. The only Mets starting Pitcher under 500, deGrom. Funny.
Blue jays better has gotten a stud OF for him and a couple decent young arms. Or does this mean Syndergaard to the Jays where he should’ve been all along? That deal with d’Arnaud and Thor for Dickey wasn’t good on Anthopoulos
Who won more games? Dickey with Toronto or Syndergaard with Mets? The answer might surprise you.
yeah but
Dickey: 130 GS 49-52 4.05
Syndergaard: 106 GS 44-27 3.21
a lot closer than most people realize.
Factor in the ballparks and different leagues and it’s dam near even
Why would a rebuilding organization make a move using their only real trade asset with the Mets?
Giles and Hudson are also good chips
Giles yes, but not the huge value of Stroman. The Muts of all teams.
I’ll take Syndergaard back for sure!! Toronto was his first organization. Too bad they never got to see him pitch with that scary lineup between 2013-2016.
Must be flipping him or posturing for next season but it’s the Mets so who knows. Otherwise you’re giving up assets for a shot at a Wild Card game (6.0 games back isn’t too insurmountable) by getting someone who probably wouldn’t touch the field in that game.
If you can run deGrom, Stroman, Syndergaard/Wheeler out in a post season series, you have a darn good chance. A .500 team makes the playoffs and the Mets are just 5 under after today. The need a lock down closer. No idea why the pitching guru Callaway and his pitching coaches haven’t figured out how to fix Diaz. He is always missing up and in (and flat) to his pitching shoulder side.
Yeah but there’s so many more things the team needs to even get into a postseason series. This is a move you make looking to get that final piece of the puzzle not propel you into the playoffs.
6 games back is insurmountable when there are 6 teams in front of you.
That’s a good point odds are at least one of those teams can play just ok enough to stay ahead.
Robbie Ray next
Be interesting to see who they flip him to.
Interesting move by the Mets to secure a quality starter for next season
Unless they send Syndergaard in this deal, this could be a surprisingly smart move of monopolizing the highest quality available starting pitching. But, who knows. I just hope the twins get one of them.
And Thor goes ????????????
…crazy from having to play on this darn team.
To Houston, you hear heard it here first.
The Mutts are more interested in hurting the Spankees than they are in building a winning team
Houston doesn’t have the CF the Mets need and niether do the Yankees.
Mets fans are a joke.
Like all they need is a center fielder.
You do realize you have a horrible farm system that just got worse? They need help EVERYWHERE
Are the Mets going to package him and another pitcher to a contender for a big package of prospects? Maybe Noah and Stroman to the Astros for the prospect they wouldn’t give up.
This is the only kind of scenario I can think of. Makes no sense at all otherwise.
Agreed. I can only imagine a scenario like this where the Mets are packing a group of pitchers together for an elite group of prospects.
again Astros do not have the CF-who can hit-that the Mets needs & if the Astros would not pay the price for Thor alone then what makes you think they can get both
theyll get a net gain in prospects when they deal Thor most likely, but they’re selling low on Thor and likely wolnt contend until Stroman signs his next deal, and there’s no guarantee said deal will be signed with the Mets.
Mets to send Thor to San Diego.
Milwaukee will nite on Syndegaard, per my sources, which are none.
BVW makes me scratch my head
I hope Stroman can get back to his old self while in NY. But as a Mets and jays fan, he does come with a lot of drama. So sending out 26 year old Syndergaard with all new added drama this season for 28 year old stroman hot head lol. Both however 1-2 guys in any rotation is a good risk to take. I hope the Jays are bringing home Syndergaard.
what drama?
Brodie looking to flip the Stro Show to Detroit for Zimmerman. Am I right?
Not likely
Sorry. This is my first post and I wanted to make it memorable.
no way they re-trade Stroman. Toronto would not have dealt him if they believed the Mets were trying to turn a profit. that would mean they’d have a better offer elsewehere, or a three-team deal would be in order.
To many Fans believe GMs should play fantasy baseball with their organization I am a bit surprised to see the post saying it was a dumb move anytime a team can secure quality pitching depth for the future it’s a good day for that ball club especially with the high probability that the Mets will trade Noah or Wheeler for a cash of upside prospects grabbing Stroman will force clubs to pay the price they want now that Ine if the fall back options is off the table
Periods and commas are a thing, bro.
Bet they keep Syndegaard.
Thought they would get Stroman for some of their big league pieces: Rosario, Smith, Davis, Nimmo, Lugo, etc.
I’m puzzled. They won’t even contend next year. Mets are so damn jealous of the Yanks. Lol
To say they won’t contend is ridiculous!!! All they need to do now is work on the bullpen they just locked up a rotation piece to fill the upcoming hole they are going to have
How giving my perspective of them next year, its ridiculous? There are 3 teams in that division better than them. I highly doubt they go anywhere next year.
So they have stroman instead of wheeler next year, how is this an upgrade?
She crap team, just with a worse farm system now
Lol, theybtrades their top 2 best pitching prospects. Stroman will probably not resign with the Mets.
This deal doesn’t make sense for the Mets on any level so basically I’m expecting them to flip him in a package with Diaz. Why acquire this piece in a non contending year when your franchise desperately needs a new, competent GM and a rebuild if the intention isn’t to flip him?
The only thing I can think of is they now hold the two most sought after rotation pieces.
Fire Brodie please
What? Oh my god! Like what is the point of all this?
We traded you Cano! It’s on the wire!
Thor is more than likely moved now, maybe with Diaz as well.
Wow, talk about sticking it to the Yankees. They may never win a thing, but the Mets finally did something of note that wasn’t an embarrassment to themselves and baseball.
Right. Until Stroman blows a gasket
It took a primary target of the Yankees off the table and raised the price to acquire whatever is left on the market. If he gets hurt it’s off no relevance to the Yankees.
Lol, trading away prospects in a year you aren’t contending for a guy with 1 year left on his contract just to hurt a team that plays in the other league isn’t embarrassing?
im 100% sure the GM didnt give the Yanks any thought for this. it’s one thing to claim aguy on wavers to keep a rival from getting them but i doubt this was done to hurt the yanks.
It was done because Brodie has to do things for attention.
As far as building a baseball team it makes no sense
Say all you want, but we all have to admit that the Mets sure have kept things interesting.
Guess this means Yanks going after Robbie Ray
color me shocked now they can focus on extending Wheeler.
say they deal Thor to Padres and get the lefty and second base prospect plus
rotation 2019
Stroman , Wheeler, Matz.
if the Mets who have been rumored to have been interested in Bauer also can get the lefty and the second base prospect that it has been known the Indians were interested in and also flip them to Indians as part of a Bauer deal .
Adding Stroman an Bauer to a rotation of Wheeler and Matz.
makes Mets true contender for 2020 by just subtracting Thor.
just a thought
Matz is far too inconsistent
Why would they trade Thor? They are trying to CONTEND!
Oh and why would Wheeler want to forego his free agency to play for that dumpster fire?
Show Me Your Tatis is easily the best handle I’ve ever seen anywhere
Thank you sir.
Not a Mets fan, but why in the world would the Mets want a second base prospect when they have Cano, Jeff Mc Neil, and a some point Lowrie….that would be a typical Mets move, but don’t think even they are that stupid.
Why do people want to extend Wheeler? He isnt good. I’d trade Wheeler while his value is somehow still existent and extend Thor. Theyre both having rough seasons but Thor has had higher highs than Wheeler, is younger, and consistently put up good numbers (prior to this year) whereas Wheeler exchanges a good year for a bad one if he isnt on the IL
Ahhhhahahaha! they really did it again! Sorry Mets fans. Along with the help of BVW the Wilpons just traded away what little future they had left for a one year rental during a season (next season) that they almost assuredly won’t make the playoffs any way. The Phil’s, Nats and Braves will likely be better than the Mets during the 1 season he is currently under contract to help them. They could try to sign him to a new contract but they probably could have done that without the trade if it were the main goal. He is having a good season but he is nowhere near a superstar. The Mets are basically in the process of trading $, prospects and multiple years of Thor for 1 year of Stroman. Thor hasn’t had a great season by his standards this year but he is still a better and unquestionably more talented pitcher than Stroman. Why would they really pull the trigger on this?
I wonder if this means wheeler to the Brewers for Grandal
You can’t be serious? Why would anyone want Grandal?
Brewers get Wilson Ramos, Wheeler. Mets get Grandal, a prospect.
The point would be that Brewers want pitching, and the Mets want to not have Ramos on the team anymore.
Brewers aren’t making that ridiculous trade. Grandal is a solid catcher. They don’t want to rely on Pina and Nottingham down the stretch for just 1 middling pitcher.
Why post this if you can’t get more information on the trade for over 20 minutes…
they dont control the information flow…
Watch Brodie acquire Ray also there is a big picture a bunch of short sighted fans are not seeing
I see the “Stroman sucks and is injured a lot” Yankees fans have already started to come out. So sweet….
Well, his attitude sucks.
I didn’t want the Yankees to ever get Stroman. He’s maybe a 4th starter at best. Inconsistent and mercurial.
See how “sweet” it is when DJ, and Mookie walks…..how’s that for a Yankee fan coming out! Oh I forgot….you still have Pearce to rely on!
What comes around goes around Mr Fenway!
They got the wrong guy!! That’s Aaron Sanchez blister boy — can’t get by 5 innings without whining about something.
Hunter Wood just got traded to Cleveland
Yes but not a big name as Stroman is,
This is the Mets being the Mets they are going to trade away a young starting pitcher with two more years of team control to acquire a starting pitcher of one more year of team control. They are nowhere near even a chance of getting in the playoffs but they are lame brain of a general manager is trying to convince ownership they can still get in the postseason because he only got the job because he was the only interview that said you don’t need to rebuild.
Let’s all wait till the other shoe drops
BVW has some guts give him a chance and wait till the dust settles
Just 6 back in the wild card race with a soft schedule in the second half, the Mets are still contenders.
31 straight against winning teams after next week.
Wake up idiot
Befuddled. Mets farm system is crap. I am guessing Diaz and Matz? So many better teams with better prospects…can’t wait for the details.
Let this trade play out.Maybe Thor isn’t in the trade.If not,the Mets have a great potential staff for future.We’ll soon find out
Surprise all you New Yorkies, I predict Thor to the Angels!
“The Blue Jays will be receiving pitching prospects from the Mets in the Marcus Stroman deal.”
—- Mark Feinsand
Well Kay and woods Richardson are there only 2 good ones.
No way even the Mets are dumb enough to give them up for a 1 year rental who isn’t even consistent.
Funny how you were dead on for the trade yet don’t even know stromans got another year of control
…which really allows them to now flip Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz or Vargas. Or not, because deGrom, Stroman, Syndergaard, Matz who ever they get in return for Wheeler is pretty impressive. Syndergaard as a #3 is probably going to reap better results than as a #2. I’d like to see at least a top 40 SP prospect returned for Wheeler to slot in as a #5. Lots of teams contending, so two pitching prospects and an outfielder is not asking too much if you can unload Frasier and Vargas in a Wheeler deal.
As of this moment, #Mets and #Padres are not close to a Syndergaard trade, sources tell The Athletic. So, NYM’s pending acquisition of Stroman appears to be independent of any potential Syndergaard deal.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 28, 2019
If Edwin Diaz is in this trade? Wow!
The Mets don’t have a clue what they’re doing.
I would think the Jays will want a pitcher coming back to them, unless they have someone in the minors ready to come up to the majors. The only guy that comes to mind that the Mets have in the high minors that teams could be interested in is Anthony Kay..I know they have Szapucki in low minors coming back from an injury who was (before the injury) a good prospect. Not sure if the Jays would want him now.
On the ML level, I wouldn’t discount them having interest in Seth Lugo as part of a package..He can start or work out the pen and has been, for the most part, consistently effective the last couple years.
People are also talking about Nimmo going the other way..maybe before his injury this year that would have been an option but I think teams are staying away from him until he can show he’s over the disc problems.
Seems dumb. Need more details
After seeing more details, this is in fact a dumb trade
The Blue Jays wanted more from the Yankees (Deivi Garcia, a top-100 prospect) than the Mets (no top-100 pitching prospects), and that’s due to them being in the same division. Like always, teams ask the Yanks for more a trades.
OMG, as a Jays fan I’m scared to see what we got back in this deal. The Mets dont have amazing pitching on the farm (Maybe Kay is the centrepiece) And I can see a guy like Dom. Smith. But who knows with Atkins.
Mets stick it to Stankees once again. They will not trade within their division or with their cross-town rivals…..makes sense
You really believe they did this to “stick” it to another team? That’s silly.
If the objective of making a baseball trade is to stick it to someone, you’re doing it very wrong.
But this is the Mets
The Yankees were never in the market for new pitching. Hal is just as happy with his four bald tires and one big flat in the trunk. His car may look nice, but its not going down the road.
Reports are that Syndergaard is NOT a part of this deal…
Sounds like a 3-team deal. I’ve heard the A’s have as much interest in Syndergaard as do the Braves and Astros. But a little surprised to see Stroman wind up with the Mets. However I am a big fan of Toronto, Oakland and the Mets. So this is kind of exciting. However as a jays fan I would presume first in my heart I’d like to get Syndergaard back in Toronto and maybe a guy like Conforto or some top OF prospect. But I don’t think the Mets have a lot to offer from the OF neither does Oakland. So I’m skeptical that Ross Asskins messed this one up as usual.
This one could wind up looking pretty bad for both teams. A team deluded into thinking it has a good bet to contend, trading assets to add when they desperately need to be re-tooling. Meanwhile, it’s hard to imagine the Mets offered something better than the Jays could have received elsewhere.
This is definitely interesting to follow, don’t exactly know if that’s in a good way though.
Nobody wants Diaz or anyone else from the Mets Relief core if they had anyone good in there they would be leading the division instead of leading the league in blown saves
idk about you I’d buy low on Diaz. However, i’d like to emphasize the buy low part of the previous sentence
there is no team in the league that wouldnt buy low on Diaz for the right price. as for contenders paying top dollar for him? not right now, that’s for sure.
Poor Stroman. Can’t catch a tax break or a baseball break.
Stroman was pretty much lights out this year so the pickup is justified. Who knows maybe they have an idea of the prospect haul they will get by dealing syndergaard, wheeler, diaz etc and liked those prospects more than the ones used to get Stroman. It’s possible stroman replaces one starter and they gain better prospects in doing so. Any organization would consider that a win.
If they trade Wheeler for better guys than they traded for Stroman that would be a win of epic proportions. Also unlikely
Well said, Moneyballer. The simple fact here is nobody knows all the facts. Maybe the Jays took the package with the players they liked the best, eh Trade Rumorers? Maybe the Mets will flip Stro because, bear with me, they like the players in the package presented from Team C. Sit back and stop rushing to judgments, people. Also, maybe the Mets see Stro as their #3 behind Thor and deGrom next year. Pretty solid 3 pack… who can blame the Mets for trying to get better sooner? They won’t commit to a rebuild so dumpster fire or not, we should all just sit back and watch the fun unfold. Quality perspective, Moneyballer.
You aren’t trying to push Wil Myers in a Syndergaard trade yet?
It wouldn’t be a win because they are giving up a pitcher who is BETTER than Stroman.
Texas thanks you for buying the controllable SP that was considered ahead of mike minor.
Now clubs have to choose unloading their entire farm system for Thor or take Minor for a more reasonable price.
Klentak is on line one
Brodie, wth are you thinking? ♂️ This only makes sense if they get Gore++ from the Padres for Syndergaard. I shudder to think what he gave up in this deal. SMDH.
Syndergaard is not netting Gore++. The Dads have said they won’t trade Gore for him. BUT, would they trade Gore + for him AND Stroman?
That’s a hot potato! I dont think so… but you’d be remiss not to listen to every offer. Nice handle too, Judge.
6 games back from wildcard is definitely not out of it this season, especially with 33 of last 51 games at home(28-20 at home so far)…some people have little/no faith! I remember when the Seattle Mariners, of all teams, came back from a 13-game deficit in August! Mets may feel they can go on a run like Nats recently have(not saying they will) but if they believe that, I think that’s a good thing for Mets fans, too bad you always have to be negative about everything and don’t realize you got a team nobody really wants to play right now!
If they match the Dodgers winning % (the best in baseball) for the rest of the season they win 87 games. This presumes they are basically the best team in baseball for August and Sept
If the Cubs, Brewers, Nationals, and Phillies match their current winning % to days, they all fall between 86-87 wins. That’s the narrow path to the playoffs. Just be the best team in baseball
They have to be the best team in baseball AND hope no more than 1 of the 6 teams ahead of them play slightly better than they have so far.
It truly is the worst run team in MLB
Interesting move which speak volumes about the market. I want know what the Mets gave up for him, that the other contenders wouldn’t. The Mets farm isn’t as deep as the Yanks, Braves or Astros to out bid them is the real surprise here.
Blue Jays just dropped into a deep hole. Blew the Stroman trade. Astros, Brewers or A’s would have given them more. Mets don’t have a strong farm system. Why would Jays take less for Stroman than they could have gotten?
How do you know what any of those teams would have been willing to give up or that any of them had any real interest?
That would be implying Stroman has no trade value. Mets the only team that would have liked to have gotten Stroman? Can’t believe that.
but you have no idea what the other teams offered or how the Jays scouts feel about the players they acquired.
One FV 55, non top 100 pitcher and other parts was obviously the best offer
You’re assuming those teams made offers.
C’mon. Mets the only team that made an offer? Ok……
Yes, Mlb trade values has Stroman worth 28.1 while Kay is worth 3.8 and Richardson worth 7.1.
Maybe the Mets traded for Stroman to flip him.
Maybe. Funny thing is now Mets fans think they have a real shot at the World Series. Crazy day!
Not the sane ones.
Per Rosenthal’s twitter feed (in case it hasn’t been posted yet)
Class A RHP Simeon Woods Richardson, #Mets’ second-round pick in 2018, was one of names under discussion with #BlueJays in Stroman talks, sources tell me and
@ByRobertMurray
. Inclusion in deal not confirmed at this moment.
It’s Kay and Richardson, per Rosenthal’s twitter feed.
Lmao going to be a lot of salty Jays fans.
and that is a massive understatement
Weak package!
Once this deal is complete, the Dodgers will be getting involved. You heard it here first 😉
Hoping you’re right..
Yes for Giles or Hudson or Smoak.
Dodgers in play for Thor maybe?
This move completely changes the complexion of the trade deadline…every FO is scrambling and re-assessing the market for starting pitching. Most unusual turn of events.
Wow… why didn’t the Braves outbid this package???
it will jeopardize their MLB Pipeline farm system championship title.
Hahaha, there’s the kind of return I predicted the Jays would get. Pretty damn bad when you get fleeced by the Mets. hahaha
Didn’t expect that.
This seems like an underwhelming return. The Braves, Padres, Yankees, etc. could’ve easily beaten that and still be comfortable. I’m confused.
I expected they would have gotten more for him than they did.
What does this mean for Matthew Boyd, Robbie Ray & Trevor Bauer?
Not a big haul for any of them apparently.
It means Bauer gets moved over the winter.
How do the Jays justify asking for Gleyber and Deivi Garcia from the Yankees only to take a decent pitching prospect and a lotto ticket pitching a 4.25 ERA in A ball? How do you ask for a kings ransom from one and are completely willing to accept pennies from another? I get that they wouldnt want to trade within the division but jeeez they couldve gotten such a better package and not only from the Yankees.
who says they demand Torres?
Before they updated the news.. I figured Kay was in the deal. Has to be the center piece. I thought it was Anthony Kay and Mathew Allan going to Toronto, and maybe a lower level prospect as well. Blue Jays decided to go with Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods Richardson. Richardson is supposed to have the best upside in that mets organization from a pitching perspective.
My guess is the info will come out with more clarity in the coming days. 2 hours ago Stroman was a Blue Jay. I doubt the median has picked up on all the details of the trade yet. I don’t know much about the 2 prospects the Mets gave up for Stroman but it sounds like some people don’t think they are all that great. There is either something we don’t know or the Mets took advantage of a situation where the Jays overvalued a prospect or two more than the rest of the league. That’s possible too. We are talking about the Blue Jays after all. That organization hasn’t exactly been run by people considered to be experts since Alex Anthopolous left.
Something must be going on with Stroman we don’t know about. Not much of a return for a veteran starter with another year of control
Jays gave Stroman away, they got 2 pitchers worth a third of the talent of Stroman.
Wow. Why even bother trading him?
I’m die hard jays fan, I don’t understand this. I was thinking these two pitchers would be like a second and third piece.
Not me. I doubted we would get either Stroman or Thor but I would much prefer Thor and this seems to make his availability all the more inevitable. The first I heard of the Mets possibly acquiring Stroman it was on the contingency that they traded Thor so I think this may increase the likelihood that Thor is traded. The article on this site stated they wanted to acquire Stroman and since Wheelers trade value is down they wanted to extend him and trade Thor. They needed their few prospects more than Stroman and Stroman is not going to push them over the top this year or next year. Maybe they keep Thor and let Wheeler walk hoping they get picks for a QO? I dunno but this move seems to make no sense for the Mets. As much as they want their fan base to believe they are in contention it is not true. Sounds like the Cano/Diaz deal 2.0. I’m sure that Fred Wilpons is happy because of all the media attention this gets. As a Braves fan it makes me happy. Let them trade their future away when they don’t have a present no matter what they do.
The equivalent to this trade from Yanks is Florial and Abreu.
And florial is top 100 and none of the mets pitchers were
Florial is a 21 year old hitting .220 in A ball.
Sounds alot like Gimenez, but hes great right?
Lol
Isn’t Florial #67 on pipeline?
So? Clint Frazier was a top 50 prospect a few years ago… look at him now. AAA depth piece.
C Frazier is only in AAA due to the abundance of OFers on the Yankees. He has hit well during his time in the bigs. Of course, you already know this but your blind hate of the Yankees has you twisting every scenario imaginable against the them.
Maybin? Tauchman? Garner? Hicks? Come on dude… put the glue down.
Judge is a great player. Stanton can’t stay on the field. Frazier can’t beat these scrubs for playing time because he’s a scrub.
They wanted Frazier to get regular ABs which is why you see Tauchman up instead if Frazier. Frazier put up an OPS+ of 121 in 209 PA this season at the big league level. For comparisons sake: Benintendi has an OPS+ of 106, Nicholas Castellanos has an OPS+ of 108, and Moustakas has an OPS+ of 119.
I know youre not very smart but this is pretty cut and dry.
C Frazier is only in AAA due to the abundance of OFers on the Yankees.
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It makes me wonder why Frazier is not your DH instead of EE. Frazier is a lot cheaper than EE, If he hit at least as much as EE, and at least nominally plays the OF, why would the NYY want EE instead of Frazier?
You’re completely brain dead to compare Clint Frazier to Benintendi. For one Frazier is an absolute butcher in the OF, has the attitude of a 6 year old, and can’t stay healthy. Thanks for the comedy relief there skippy
Boom goes the dynamite…..
+Bocephus
Has the attitude of a 6 year old because he didnt like being demoted after posting an OPS+ of 121? I think thats more than reasonable of a reaction. Any other assumption of his personality is simply that: an assumption. He’s been pretty healthy since his concussion too. Had a minor IL stint from jamming his ankle on a slide (in which he couldve probably played on it just fine but the Yankees were being extremely cautious given the amount of injuries that were already piled up).
Anyway, my point was that he is more than capable of hitting at the MLB level and I proved that by comparing him to other capable hitters at the MLB level. His fielding can use some work, sure, but that wasnt the point. You can pat yourself on the back all you’d like but that still doesnt negate the fact that, when C. Frazier was a regular in the lineup, he did well.
“bOom GoEs tHe DyNaMiTe”
oh my, youre so wack. absolute cornball
+JoeBrady
Thats a question a lot of people are wondering. Everyone was pretty mind boggled about Fraziers demotion. My guess is they wanted a more suitable backup for Voit at 1B to give him rest. DJ can play 1B but i dont think they were satisfied with DJ at 1B. Since the start of the season they have been trying to carry two 1B on the roster along with DJ (remember it was Bird and Voit, and then Bird went down and they called up Ford). Their desire for an extra 1B led them to acquire EE which then made Frazier the odd man out. Its not like they can send Gardner or Maybin down (theyd have to simply release them, which wouldnt be a good move) so they had to decide between giving Tauchman or Frazier irregular ABs/spot starts. Not wanting to cut into Frazier’s development, they chose Tauchman. Surprisingly enough, Tauchman has held his own as of late.
No its not? Its the equivalent of Abreu and any one of the A Ball pitchers in the Yankees system. Kay is good, Richardson is a lotto ticket
Richardson is 18 and striking out 11 per 9 in A-ball. Yanks have nothing comparable to that.
Luis Gil is 21 and striking out 12.1 per 9 in A-Ball, posting an ERA of 2.39 (Richardson posting an ERA of 4.50)
Clarke Schmidt is 23 and striking out 10.5 per 9 in A+ and Rk ball (ERA of 3.24)
Yoendrys Gomez is 19 and striking out 8.5 per 9 in Rk ball (ERA of 2.12)
Alexander Vizaino is 22, striking out 10.4 per 9 in A ball (with an ERA of 4.41.. hey thats actually comparable to that of Richardson!)
I could go on.
Gil was in the same level as Richardson; but was 3 years older w essentially the same FIP. k rate and such. To suggest the Yankees didn’t have a comparable pitching prospect is a little crazy though. They have Deivi who is 20 and in AAA. SWR was probably a better spect than all those you just listed though, Begamin. Gil is comparable but older. Very close though, I would agree w that. To suggest they have no one comparable is wrong.
+jbigz
Yeah i mean i know Gil is a bit older. You arent gonna find an exact carbon copy of any player except in rare circumstances. I was just providing examples of minor league pitchers with similarities to Richardson. Like what, would the Jays not have taken that trade if Richardson was replaced with any of Gil, Schmidt, or Gomez? I’d think theyd actually prefer it, unless of course their internal scouts are very high on Richardson and they think they can pull his potential out of him. To me though, Richardson is a lotto ticket addition to a solid pitching prospect in Kay.
I think Richardson is the real prize here. Kay is ranked higher because he’s closer to the big leagues but his stuff screams #4 starter. SRW has the higher upside for sure. He was in low A like Gil so they are pinged for being further off. But I’d take either one of them over Kay. Kay could be a fine starter but at his ceiling he’s JA Happ. Which is good if he gets there but there’s no certainty of that.
Watch out for the 2018 draft class. Woods was part of that class. I think there were a lot of arms that you’ll see as quality starters out of there.
Wow Yankee fans heads are exploding. Uh maybe they’ll just trade Wheeler and keep Syndegard. Kay is probably a 3 or 4. Woods Richardson is a stud. Haha what if they just traded Vargas and kept the rest. Yankees don’t have the prospects to get a Syndegard deal done.
LOL.. They have enough to trade for Noah.. The thing is the mets dont want to trade him to the yankees
Mets now favorites to win the World Series (only in Queens).. Rest of MLB laughing their asses off!
Richardson is a 6’3″” version of Deivi Garcia and Anthony Kay is like Justus Sheffield only with potential major league talent.
Wrong on many levels. Goodness
Oh, right… the Mets are just jealous of the Yankees and refused to accept a much better deal from them because they are poopyheads.
The Mets are very jealous of the Yankees.
That’s fairly obvious.
Bruh lol u cray lmao
Wow awful take by that guy named Melchez! Couldn’t be more wrong! The equivalent to this deal from Yankee standpoint is Abreu and Losiaga at very best and that’s pushing it!
If I’m the Astros, I offer an old fashioned trade of Correa for Synergaard straight up. Astros Can put Diaz or Straw at SS.
A good player who finds creative ways to get injured. The Mets are salivating!
Lol. Correa and his ability to get his ribs broken during a massage seems like a perfect fit for the Mets.
Correa and Tucker for Syndergaard and Rosario?
There’s another one that John Mozeliak and the Cardinals let get away!!! Mozeliak is the most tunneled visioned President of Baseball Operations in Major League Baseball!!
Stroman bolted out of the clubhouse before it was opened to reporters. Pissed maybe??
Wouldn’t you be?
Kay and Richardson lol. And blue jays fans thought they could get Garcia.
Right. Blue Jays did not do themselves any favors by trying to extract a maximum return from the Yankees. It only served to build up their fans’ expectations and making any deal with less a return than Deivi Garcia/Gleyber Torres look a tad skimpy. Next trading deadline, just keep your mouth shut and get the best deal you can.
Stroman on Friday: “The trade deadline is coming, and that means I should wind up on a team in a more competitive situation!”
Stroman on Sunday: ‘Aw, hell…”
Brodie has traded four of our highest ceiling prospects for Diaz, the back half of Cano’s career and a year and a half of Stroman, my goodness
Mets have 57 games left, I would say less than a year and a half.
This year is shot so it’s a year of stroman
such a stupid trade with both prospects outside of top 100. Kay is already 24 years old struggling at AAA. I really miss Alex Anthopoulous……
Ya, I’m really starting to doubt this front office myself.
Seriously, if they hold onto Stroman the Jays would have received a compensatory early round draft pick anyways do this deal is pretty much Stro for Kay. Shatkins blow another trade.
I wanted stroman on the Yankees, I’ve been a big fan of his for awhile now 🙁
Yanks don’t need Stroman. At best a #4 starter. Certainly not a playoff caliber #1!
Lots of #4 starters have an ERA under 3.00
Lots of Yankees will be finding flaws in Stroman now… he’s a number 4… he can’t handle the Yankee spot light… crack under pressure… has a bad weave.
It’s what Yankee fans do.
Lots of Mets fans will be acting like he’s an ace when he’s actually the American leagues version of Zack wheeler
Stroman is a good #3.
With all the reported interest in Stroman, that’s all that Toronto could get back?!?!?
Right!!??
Actually Florial and Abreu are rated better. I think Toronto got fleeced here and to think they wanted Torres from Yanks!
Lmao
It makes sense to ask the world from the Yanks, given that they are in the same division. Mets in an entirely different league. Underwhelming package nonetheless.
Torres was never discussed between the Jays and Yanks, that was a false report.
“Though the prospect haul isn’t yet known, there’s no doubt that Stroman won’t come cheap to the Mets.”
Apparently there is some doubt because the rumoured haul is one of the worst we have seen in many years for a top player on the market with control.
This seems…a light haul, at best.
Kay and Richardson just can’t be all. There has to be more in the “more to come.”
If the Houston Astros can get Bumgarner, they will win it all this year.
If they get the Bumgarner off 4 years ago, true.
He probably won’t be dealt, but I think they’ll win it all anyway
Good trade we gave up 2 decent prospects for number 3 pitcher Kay former number 1 still recovering from Tommy John , Richardson last years number 2 still in class A
Even in fantasy baseball Brodie’s deals are idiotic. Lol. Like as a fantasy manager I at least understood that assuming Cano would be good at his age coming off a PED suspension was dumb. And that Diaz was poised for some regression after his miraculous 2018 season. Plus Diaz is only a closer, those guys only have so much value, and he can’t get even go more than an inning. Brodie is just dumb and delusional.
Hindsight is 20/20. Brodie took risks and many didn’t pay off (you didnt even mention Lowrie, lol). I wouldn’t ever call him “dumb and delusional” like a coward after the fact.
Dude I was ranting the day that Cano deal went down how awful it was, and got crushed on here by Met fans. I’m not hindsighting this at all.
I’d think any actual deal involving a swap between prospects and MLB level players would be idiotic in fantasy baseball
Well I’m in a dynasty league, lol. Regardless, my point is that it was just a dumb deal and obvious to even a fantasy manager.
True, they couldve probably gotten a better package
Stroman doesn’t seem happy with the trade of what happened after the game is true
So many Blue Jays fans in here, bummed that they didn’t Stroman actually isn’t worth that much. Injuries and bad form, he’s just really inconsistent, he’s only really had 1 good year before 2019. He’s not on Thor’s tier, prospect-wise, but I’m guessing thats Jays fans were thinking.
BTW the return is perfect and the prospects from the Mets are going to hit MLB.
The Jays may as well have extended Stroman. Terrible trade by a front office and an owner with no desire to win or the ability the flip the culture in Toronto. Atkins and Shapiro didn’t bother showing up to Halladay’s induction. They didn’t bother showing up to the Blue Jays 1992-1993 dinner reunion in the offseason. They do not care about the success of the past and do not care to succeed in the future by settling for this deal with their biggest trade asset.
I am disappointed as a Blue Jays fan.
Why do they have to trade Thor? DeGrom, Syndergaard, Stroman a good 1-2-3 next year.
So, where are the ridiculous Toronto fans who were thinking it would take the top 3 Yankees prospects to acquire Stroman? Who was it, Trimreaper? Calling every Yankee fan stupid for laughing at the thought of including Deivi or Abreu or Frazier….
Two guys from the Mets who aren’t even top 100 prospects.
EXACTLY! This was a steal for the Mets. This is evidence that it isn’t a sellers market after-all.
One cannot say anything about this trade other than when Atkins was rehired this past year by Shapiro, every GM in the league rose and gave a standing ovation.
So stupid
So was this trade.
Lol so true!
Not ridiculous at all to ask the world from the Yanks, being they are a rival in the same division. Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out
Well, if you were listening to Trim for player values you were always going to be led astray.
This package isn’t that bad. Kay was a top 100 prospect about a month ago. He’s gotten toasted in AAA though. Simeon Woods Richardson averages over a K an inning and has a 2.25 FIP in A ball. He’s an 18 year old former 2nd round pick. I think he has a lot of upside honestly and could be the best piece. Although he’s many years off.
I think that guy did not say top 3 prospects from the Yanks but that depends on the list you go by.
Toronto wanted to draft him, but the Mets got to Woods first. He has a much higher ceiling but a long way to go. Evidently the Toronto FO loved him then and now, so I’m guessing he was the real target.
The Yankees just came off a poor showing in Boston. Stroman handles the Red Sox pretty well. I would not want any part of Boston in the ALDS.
Losiaga and Abreu are Yanks equivalent abs Toronto settles for that offer but wanted the world plus from Yanks. Now Cashman is gonna get destroyed but a large majority of Yankee fans are clueless and i hate saying that but it’s true.
Cashman wasn’t gonna get robbed by the jays GM. Maybe the Mets flip stroman to the Yankees ?
Not a bad move for the Mets. They have too much talent not to be able to compete next year. If they can trade Thor for someone like Forrest Whitley then it could pay off for them, especially if they can get more than Whitley back
It’s funny how the jays asked for Torres and Garcia and they settled for this package lol
Agree
I don’t think they ever thought they’d actually get those two, though.
Well, maybe they asked for those two players because they didn’t want to trade to the Yankees. It’s not all in b&w. They had a reason for doing what they did. It’s very rare when a team trades a good player to a team in the same division. They just don’t want to face that player, especially a pitcher of high caliber.
SWR and Jarred Kelenic will torment Mets fans from 2022-2030.
Exactly, that guys going to be a stud. That trade was horrendous from day 1. It was pretty obvious to most advanced scouts how great Kelenic was, and to take on $60 million of that awful Cano contract. Not even mentioning how good Bruce has been this year.
BVW must really hate prospects. Another good one out the door in Kay. Trading Kelenic seems to be working out great
Kay got wrecked in AAA with the juiced ball and went back down to AA. This Mets trade is very good.
Why do you all think that acquiring Marcus Stroman means the trading away Noah Syndergaard vs. strengthening the Mets starting rotation?
I can see the Mets trading none of them and instead moving Matz or Wheeler to the pen.
Noah has a lot of trade value because teams think he could return to his old form and he’s under control for two more years. They can afford to trade him because they have such a strong rotation, and trading him now maximizes his value. They could get back at least one great prospect for him. Or they could try to let him finish the year strong and trade him in the offseason for even more. It that’s a risk. But if he finishes the season strong they may no longer want to trade him
Too bad for Stroman. He said he really wanted to play for a winning team. He’s going from one bad team to another one.
Jays have been good at finding and developing pitching talent. Syndergaard osuna stroman sanchez Giles just off the top of my heading the last couple of years.
if they moved stroman for these prospects they probably think there’s gold there somewhere.
I’m willing to be neutral on this deal for 3 years until we see how everything pans out.
I can’t believe the Mets out bid everyone for Stroman with this offer. M Stroman is a stud who will get more strikeouts (and (lame outs) in the NL cause he works the lower plate. For the Jay to not get a top 100 prospect back is just terrible for them and cudo’s to the Mets. That tells you the GMs are underbidding for starters at this late date, I wouldn’t trade any of them after hearing the Jays return.
Thor, Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, they were all brought in under the previous management team. Giles was good until he had a couple issues in Houston, the change of scenery in TO got him back to where he was. he was the only one brought in by current management. these guys just traded away their best trade chip and only good starting pitcher for a guy struggling in AAA with a projection as a #4 or 5 starter and another guy in single A who if he develops well has a high ceiling if it all goes well in 3-5 years. in that time we will still be talking about the future and what Vlad will be able to bring in as part of a trade while they continue to rebuild
my comment was looking past front office to the scouts in the field. the front office makes final decisions but someone is spotting pitching talent in toronto and doing a good job of it.
like I said given that I’m willing to remain neutral.
No, Giles has a great SO:BB ratio but, he’s been a bit of a problem in PHI, HOU and now I assume in TOR.
Wow, considering what the Rays got for Archer, I thought the Jays could have gotten more for Stroman than they got in Kay and Richardson from the Mets.
Both have a shot at the majors, Kay as a #3 max, more likely a #4 and Richardson as a highend reliever. I don’t think Richardson ends up in a rotation. He has an elite arm.
Kay is at least a year away and Richardson is probably 3 years away.
I guess the Jays have another year of tanking in 2020.
Wow, that’s a weak return for Stroman. If you’re a Jays fan, you have to be a little upset.
Very underwhelming return. Rogers needs to sell the Jay’s. Horrible owners.
eh, not high on that return. then again though, i wasnt on kelenic either and look where we are now.
The pitcher the Yanks want was not Marcus Stroman. Either Robbie Ray or Tanner Roark will wind up in the Bronx.
I really wonder about that. Stroman has proven he can pitch in the AL East. Roarke and Ray have not proven much of anything.
It makes sense not to trade within the division even if the Yankees might have had a better offer. However, all telling Steinbrenner never offer anything they are just playing the game and going home to play bean counter! This not George’s team its a whole new game in NY.
You must not know how many $$$ they took on when they traded for Stanton from the Marlins. You’re just spouting something you’ve heard somebody else say. Not even based in reality.
If they did truly turn down a better offer because the in division thing I’d be furious if I was a Jays fan. It’s not like the Blue Jays are going to be competitive during Stromans current deal anyway. That’s such a silly concept, and very simplistic way to view things.
Wow so after all this every pitchers prospect value just took a major hit.
And to think I was told I was clueless to suggest Grienke and his awful contract and Ray to Yanks for two very solid pitchers like Abreu and Losiaga plus a positional prospect such as Florial or even Estrada!
Well the whole world knows that Pittsburgh got bent over in that deal. If anything the Archer deal probably hurt the value of pitchers on the market because GM’s are scared to have that happen to them what happened to the Pirates.
Im legitimately surprised that that’s the most the Jays could get for Stroman in what is supposedly a “seller’s” market. Just another sign that players are way undervalued in the market. Strike’s coming.
@CarolinaRays. You are delusional. The strike has nothing to do with trades.
I think the Mets made this deal more for 2020 than for 2019. Sure, getting Stroman and moving Wheeler is a net upgrade for the 2019 rotation, but the real reason for this trade is Wheeler hitting free agency.
Stroman and wheeler are virtually the same level pitcher.
The Mets stayed the same on the MLB level and hurt an already weak farm system.
Wheeler would have never survived the AL East. Your assessment isn’t even close to accurate.
So the Blue Jays wanted Torres or Garcia from the Yankees but took a half eaten sandwich and a bag of chips from the Mets. This trade should also make the asking prices for all the other top SP’s available go way down
An unassisted double play is in the future for the Mets GM and manager. They have run themselves into a twin killing. This GM especially is truly horrible
The Mets are going for it. You have Mets fans in denial about the Mets rebuilding.
Mets, buyers when everyone in the world knows they suck but Brodie. Also, great work on the Cano/Diaz deal. Kelenic doesn’t look great or anything. Paying 40 yr olds 25 mill a yr coming off PED suspensions is always smart business.
Anthony Kay is the 4th rated Mets prospect and Simeon Woods-Richardson is the Mets 6th rated prospect, per MLB.com. Neither prospect is in the top 100. Kay was a 1st round draft pick in 2016 and Richardson was a 2nd rounder in 2018. Not much of a return for a 2019 All-star since neither is a top 100 prospect. Neither is ranked in Fangraph’s top 132. Neither is in ESPN top 100 prospects. Wow
Kay is 24, Richardson is 19
Well if I was a GM I’d try to find a way to deal with the Mets decision makers too, so there’s that..
Kay was Top 100 until the post draft update. Richardson will be in the year end update.
Kay will be in the Blue Jay’s rotation at some point next year. Richardson in late 2021.
So you traded an ace for a guy whose ceiling is thought to be a back end starter and another guy that might be ok someday. I think you might’ve done better had you waited. Maybe Mets aquired him because there’s a prospect in the Red Sox system they are targeting
Ace guy?
Don’t know about this trade as a Blue Jays fan.. but I’m guessing the Mets gave the Jays some type of mutual agreement that the Mets won’t flip him back to the A.L if that was their plan. Also don’t behind the back stuff like that ruins your relationships with gm’s around the league, ruins your ability to make moves down the road with your competitors. I think the Mets traded for him with the intent to keep Stroman. Stroman’s from New York, as a Jays fan, I’ll tell you one thing he is one h3ll of a competitor. Has helped winning ball clubs in the past, and really does bring the energy in big games. Marcus will fight you tooth and nail, borderline great pitcher, with great fire. He’ll probably dominate the N.L.. and also is a great athlete, hit in opposite field home run in interleague play, lol. I’m telling you, Marcus Stroman will shine in New York. Great trade for the Mets considering what they gave up as of now, great trade. And as a Jays fan, I hope they know what they are doing .. for whatever reason though, I feel good about the kid Kay.
Exactly, if the Mets flipped Stroman to an AL team like the Yankees Brodie would lose whatever trust and credibility he has. Stuff like that can get GM’s black baller in future deals, and the Mets need to make many changes and deals with what they have going in the future.
*black balled
Not bashing Toronto here, but I like this for the NYMs. Like a couple of others have said, they have too much present talent for a tank job. This keeps them alive in 2020 without gutting the system.
OTOH, you can’t keep trading away prospects with nothing to show for it. So now they’ve added their #4 & #6, in addition to Kelenic & Dunn. And still not yet a contender.
Mets fans are mad at the package they gave up. Blue Jays fans are mad at the package they received. Sounds like a good trade.
How can Met fans complain? They just got an ace for 2 prospects that are not rated in the top 100! I’m an old Met fan now Rays fan and I believe this will be considered the steal of the trade deadline. Cudo’s to Mets and thier GM.
Because they suck and are nowhere close to competing, and Brodie is just coming off getting hosed in the Cano/Diaz deal with Kelenic looking like an absolute beast. The deal itself isn’t bad at all, it’s just the Mets being buyers when it’s clear to everyone they need good young talent under lots of control not a pitcher with a yr and 2 months of control left. Pretty simple.
As a mets fan I hated the Kelenic Dunn trade for Diaz and Cano didn’t make any sense. That being said they def got have smoke screened the entire league and make them think they are actually going to trade Thor. They very well might if they get back a monster haul for him. It doesn’t make sense now that you acquired Stroman to trade Syndergaard. The Mets have I guess some belief that they can turn the season around. Second best record in NL since the all star break and they have the lowest ERA as a team during that time and the lowest bullpen ERA. They believe they can compete and if all goes bad next year they can just trade Stroman and Syndergaard next year at the deadline if they are again bad and out of it. Kelenic I think will be a stud but he’s struggling hard at High A look at his stats. That’s the only logically explanation I have on the Mets idea with trading for Stroman. The only pitcher that makes sense to trade now is Wheeler at this point if the Mets can’t extend him to a reasonable deal. I doubt he will take a QO either so imo that’s what I think needs to happen next one way or the other.
I don’t think they like Thor
I think they are tired of his act
Kay was top 100 until the draft update and swr should be top 100 by seasons end
Didn’t seem like much of a haul for Stroman.
Teams do their homework. The Jays accepted what they believed was the best offer. No other reasons exist.
Marcus stroman is not ace. On a good team he is a 2/3. He had one if the worst era’s last year. Everyone is acting like they traded away Roy Halliday and stroman is not even close. Nobody is going to trade away their top prospects for him so they need to stop acting like the nets fleeced the jays.
How did no other team top this offer? That’s a pretty bad haul for a ground-ball pitcher w/great peripherals. If it was only going to be a couple of so-so prospects, Phillies should have been all over sending their so-so surplus of OFs – Moniak + whatever. I get not wanting to ship him off to the Yankees, but still not a great haul.
No one is calling him an Ace.. He’s a 2 or 3. But still groundball pitcher on a good team when everyone else is giving up bombs?
The Mets infield defense is so porous that Stroman’s ERA will skyrocket. Last thing the Mets need is a starter that produces grounders at a high rate.
You make a good point, although I will say that both these pitchers have some upside that it looks like the ship has sailed on for Moniak
looks like the ship has sailed on for Moniak
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I think you are writing him off too soon. IMVHO, it looks to me like the Phillies promoted him too quickly. They skipped low-A, to go directly into A ball. He didn’t really conquer it at all with 109/28 K/W with only 5 HRs.
They promoted him to A+, and he again didn’t conquer it with a 100/22 K/W and again 5 HRs.
So they again promoted him to AA. But he has better K/W with a 82/30, with modestly more power with 7 HRs. An overall .772 in AA while only just turning 21?
If I were the RS, I’d gladly trade Dalbec for him, keep him in AA/AAA for a year or two, and then see if he was a reasonable replacement for JBJ.
I don’t know what Philly’s endgame is with these ridiculous promotions that Moniak hasn’t deserved. Let him learn how to hit before rushing him up. I would agree w you tHat going to another org could help him. Would also trade Dalbec for him. We know what Dalbec is. Moniak could be much more.
Stroman’s not that great first of all. He’s solid, and adds depth as a mid rotation guy during the regular season, but it’s not like he’s the ability to dominate in a playoff run. Teams aren’t going to give up guys with tons of control that have top 50 prospect for a year and 2 months of mid rotation ability. I don’t understand why everyone thinks he would bring in so much. Plus teams are just hesitant in general to give up young potential studs in today’s game, when so many of them come up and look great right away.
The only logic I can find in the Mets doing this is that they were trying to shrink the market for Noah, and up the bidding for him. But it is the Mets we’re talking about, and they probably assume they still have a chance in the NL East.
Stroman is consistently performing at a higher level (at the moment, and assuming you don’t worship peripherals) and gives the Mets more of a short term return. The return for Thor should be a net gain in prospects and now they have a (hopefully) better pitcher at the top of the rotation that can help in a wildcard chase or a 2020 push. San Diego is rich in talented corner outfielders that come with long periods of team control, if the Mets are trying to win now they could just be reshuffling their pitching while adding Renfro or Reyes. The Cano trade was terrible but this one seems solid.
I agree that the actual players in the deal and the talent given up for Stroman is completely fine and would seem like a strong deal for any contender. My point is more about the Mets mortgaging the future for the now for what? The NL East will be very strong again next year and the Mets will be lucky to have a shot at a wildcard next yr, (Stromans only season under contract). Why not deal Noah and not do this deal either? They’d have even more young talent to try and build something sustainable. Right now they’re a mess slinging stuff around hoping for a miracle in 2020. Just such a backwards way to do things in my eyes.
And yes the Cano trade was historically bad.
I saw some major league stupidity at work throughout my hmm 35 hour weekend. But this is idiocy.
That’s all it took to get Stroman?
I guess AJ Preller wasn’t interested in him at all!
BVW seems to have just fleeced the Blue Jays!
I’m going to say the Mets flip Stroman to another team by Wednesday
Let’s hope but swr is a steep price to pay. 18 years old and should be in AA next year
He’s in the SALLY league. That’s low A. He’s going to spend most of next year in high A ball.
We’ll see where the Jays start him, but the Mets had just promoted him to high-A. Very likely he’s in AA by the middle of next year barring injury/performance issues. I don’t think the Jays would’ve taken Richardson if they didn’t think he could reach the Majors sooner than later. The clock is already ticking on their young hitters, they need Richardson and Pardinho to push through the system quickly and catch up.
He probably won’t make more than 3 starts. He’s already at 78 innings. I would imagine he’s finished before 100. Only a year out of HS. But your TL is certainly possible. A bit aggressive for a guy his age but possible.
He is in high A. Talk was about him starting next season in Binghampton.
He hsnt made a start in high A. The kid isn’t 19 for another couple months. I don’t think Toronto is going to be aggressively promoting him. He’ll certainly start the season in Dunedin next year. No chance he starts any higher
By now trade has to be offical. It’s been 4 hours.
Never bet on a Mets trade actually happening when the words “pending physical” are still involved.
So, they basically gave him away for 2 pitchers that they hope can unlock potential and do better than they have so far in the minors? What a horrible deal for Toronto. I have to believe that their best option was to wait until the deadline and if nothing better came in, just trade him in the off-season because I’m sure they could’ve gotten an equally disappointing deal.
Sounds worse every time I see an update. Now I see it’s Stroman and cash for those 2 pitchers. Haven’t seen much from Atkins and Shapiro that has impressed me since they came to Toronto
Stroman’s not that great first of all. He’s solid, and adds depth as a mid rotation guy during the regular season, but it’s not like he’s the ability to dominate in a playoff run. Teams aren’t going to give up guys with tons of control that have top 50 prospect for a year and 2 months of mid rotation ability. I don’t understand why everyone thinks he would bring in so much. Plus teams are just hesitant in general to give up young potential studs in today’s game, when so many of them come up and look great right away.
It’s hard to believe none of the contenders this season didn’t make a better offer than the Mets did. A comparable offer from the Braves would have been Allard and Weigert. And, since Allard is or was a top 100 prospect, a good argument can be made the this would surpass the Mets offer.
Allard probably shouldn’t be top 100 anymore, and the only reason he’s close is because of his proximity and a little bit of floor because he’s basically already there. He’s not very good, whereas these 2 pitchers have quite a bit more upside along with a lot more risk. I don’t think Allard would’ve been a conversation starter.
Allard’s not top 100. I haven’t seen him there on anyone’s List in well over a year. He’s a #4 at his ceiling at this point. A tick worse in terms of upside than Kay. Maybe a higher floor but definitely a lower ceiling.
They’ll be looking to get one guy inside the top 75 and two organizational top 30 guys. And yeah, Tigers likely hold
Waiting for the other shoe to drop……… This move by the Mets makes better sense if there are more moves in the offing
As a Mets fan, I don’t understand it. Also as a Mets fan, I love that Yankees fans are crying and throwing temper tantrums.
Guessing Toronto really didn’t want to do business with Alex. The return from the Mets, their 4th and 6th ranked prospects, is comparable to getting the Braves 15th and 18th ranked prospects. Good thing their calling up Bo to keep fans happy because they just got fleeced by the NYM.
The Braves have much better top end prospects but sayin the Mets 4th and 6th is like the 15th and 18th for Braves is silly.
It’s actually close to being equivalent to the Braves 5th and at the worst 13th prospects. Kay has a 55 rating on MLB Pipeline, which the Braves have 4 of, and Woods-Richardson has a 50 rating which the Braves have 8 of, so he could fall anywhere from 5-13.
Sorry, the Braves have five 55 grade prospects. Doesn’t change the point much.
Both of those prospects are rated 50 right now and looking at their current numbers posted at the same level of competition the value of Kay/woods-richardson is equal to Weigel/beck
Yeah that statement is not true at all
And yet another example of what the return for trading a pitcher looks like at the deadline. All those folks screaming about getting top 100 prospects for Boyd, Mad Bum, Will Smith, Giles, Minor, Shane Greene, etc. Syndergaard could still pull a top 50 guy even though you’re trading for a brand more than his performance, but 1 1/2 years of Stroman didn’t pull a top 100 guy. Be warned, it very well MSU be that none of the above guys do either.
Boyd has three years of control the Tigers will just hold him if they don’t and probably won’t get the high end prospects they want.
Kay was still a 55 FV prospect and a former 1st rd pick in AAA. Thats just as valuable as any back end T100 prospect.
Thor certainly will. The only way Smith and Bum will is if they’re packaged together and that’s if they even get dealt.. But yeah, the return on guys like that are not great. It was pretty obvious if anyone has been paying attention to how the game has been shifting.
You also have to take into consideration who does not have the prospects to trade away. Epstein and Dombrowski are some of the loosest GM’s when it comes to giving up prospects but neither one of them is stocked up w prospects this year. And they’re really too close to their spending line to acquire any big names.
I am afraid that Toronto set such a low return that other top players like Boyd will not receive fair offers. Thanks a lot Toronto!
You mean your upset with Toronto for getting a low return right?
He’s upset with the fact that Boyd’s market isn’t what he thought it was. Joey I’ve been telling you for weeks you were shooting way too high on your deals. It’s not toronto’s Fault; it’s the market price.
Tigers aren’t trading Boyd unless they are blown away Boyd remains a Tiger after the deadline.
Jays gets 2 prospects outside of top 100 though Kay is close to top 100….the Tigers want multiple top 100 prospects plus a proven bat….okay when Boyd can prove he is a TOR for 2-3 straight years then maybe but he isn’t proven so why ask for the farm and the animals on the farm??? Lmfao
As I said they will get maybe 2 top 100 prospects but both in the 50-100 range not above that….unless they throw in Greene too….one guy said if Rays wanted Boyd then they would want to talk Franco in return…..#1 prospect in baseball for a controllable 3rd starter….no thanks keep your 3rd starter….
The Tigers can ask for anything they want. They wont get a prospect in the top 100 for Boyd. Boyd has a 5.94 ERA his last 9 starts.
Thank God the Mets got some cash in the deal….Bernie Madoff needs cigarette money…..
536 comments…..more than the Hunter Wood deal….amazing…..
Seems a little light to me; I can’t imagine the Astros or Dodgers could have come up with better. Or the Padres for that matter. And that tells us more about how Stroman is viewed by other GMs, than his numbers.
Syndergaard future Yankee
Contenders like the Yankees, Astros and Dodgers were interested but he ended up going to a team that at the end of September their season will be over. I do not recall a time where a team made a splash like this at the trade deadline but had no chance of making the post season. Only the new York Mets
It makes absolutely zero sense to now trade Thor. You just acquired another controllable arm for next season. Why care to refill your prospect pool when you say you want to be competitive next year?! You keep Thor tand roll with him, deGrom and the bread man as your 1-3. Trade Wheeler since he’s a free agent. He won’t bring you back the haul Thor will but you might get the equivalent (maybe a little less) of what you just gave for Stroman
As a Phillies fan, I remember Reuben Amaro trading Cliff Lee moments after they acquired Doc. I was ready to light a torch
Replenish your prospects when you just came off back to back World Series appearances. The most asinine trade in recent memory.
Because they won’t be competitive next year…. they may want to… but they won’t…
Reality always wins, no matter how hard you fight it
I agree but if that’s the case trading for Stroman made no sense on any level.
Only way it makes sense is if the Mets flip him immediately for better prospects
If someone were willing to trade better prospects for Stroman the Jays would have just traded him to that other team in the first place.
Probably, though the Jays May have just really liked those two pitchers (whom I think are being under rated in many hot takes)
But yeah, this just sets up the Mets to have their offense fail them against next season but have a reason to convince themselves they’re close enough to waste more prospect value…
BVW really made a rookie mistake here
Speaking as a person with no strong feelings one way or the other towards the New York Mets, the sooner they get rid of BVW, the better off they will be.
Shocked that it was the Mets who acquired Stroman, but more surprised by the underwhelming return.
LOLmets is all I can say
I feel bad for what few fans they have left at this point
BVW is constantly searching for BBWs (Better Baseball Weapons)
I just flat out like the trade for the Mets. Even if they lose Wheeler and only gain a compensatory pick, they upgrade the rotation at respectable cost. There’s plenty more that could play out but even the worst case scenario, mets come out just fine here. A.
Bauer trade value dropping and Cleveland wants to get rid of him.
Yanks send Abreu and Losiaga 2 top ten Yank prospects which is pretty much the comp the Mets sent for Stroman. That might be too much based on the baggage of Brauer but I think both teams would make that deal.
Doubt the Indians trade him until the offseason. If they do it probably won’t be to the Yankees, at least not for that, they’d make their playoff opponent better.
They’re not going to trade Bauer to a team they may play in the divisional series
I don’t buy it. The Indians are tracking down the Twins and can’t afford to trade Bauer and not get someone who can they can slip in there not going to happen. They will trade him in the offseason unless someone just makes a deal they can’t refuse. You have to remember this isn’t a tanking team that wants a decent return this is a team that is in the playoffs if they started today. They aren’t trading him at the deadline i will be shocked if they do. Yankees are going to look elsewhere.
Totally agree. I could see the bombers going after Minor
Imagine how happy Stroman was when he found out he was headed to NY, then the look on his dumb face when they said the Mets, lol
Very much so, apparently there was a huge dust up in the locker room when he found out it was the Mets.
Lets be honest here:
We all expected the Blue Jays to get more for Stroman. The only reason anyone is criticizing the Mets is because they’re the Mets. They really didn’t give up too much here.
I agree… and by taking Stroman off the market they have:
– Effectively increased the cost for any deal involving Syndergaard or Wheeler (Supply Demand 101)
– Upgrades their staff – and with a run next year is one less piece to worry about
– Still have option next year to trade him and recoup a similar return
– Can get QO draft compensation if the keep him for the aforementioned run
– Open access to negotiate a LT extension while he is loving the NYC market experience
All solid points
BVW says being a GM is easy ,,, Someone told Brody he is the smartest guy in the room then Brody realized everyone left 3 hours ago….Mets fans an egomaniac is running your team enjoy 70 win seasons forever….
Dude’s a genius. I mean come on that Cano deal was amazing. Everyone knows taking on a ton of money for a 40 yr old coming off a PED suspension always works out well! Lol
The Mets never cease to amaze me with the depth of their stupidity.
639 comments (and counting) is far too many for me to search through to find the comment I read before. Honestly, this post has the most comments I have ever seen on this site. Anyhow, my point was supposed to be that some ignoramus of a Mets fan claimed they made this deal because their 4-game winning streak put them in 3rd place in the NLE which means they are in playoff contention. I just wanted to take this time to point out that is far from the truth. They are still 5 games out of third place. Holding steady in 4th. Even if they played the longest regular season series possible against the third place team and swept them… The Mets would still be in 4th place. God. It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely and unquestionably stupid the Mets ownership is. I love it for selfish reasons as a life long Braves fan. I am however not a sociopath and I love baseball fans in general including some of my best friends who are Mets fans. Some of them I met here. Some if them I met during the years I lived in Queens. I feel so bad for them right now. I felt bad for them before today but they were all hoping that the team learned from last offseason’s mistakes. They now know that’s not the case. My best friend put it best tonight when he said his team (the Mets) just played poker and doubled down on a 7 2 offsuit after a flop that didn’t help them at all. I don’t want to even make fun of Mets fans right now. They are living in a baseball dictatorship they can’t control. If I were a Mets fan I would start a petition and serious media presence to push out the Wilpons. Obviously the assumption would be that BVW goes too. When this team fails BVW will roll over and blame Micky Callaway and fire him. That’s what he has done so far and that is what he was planning on anyway. BVW wants to keep his job and he thinks this will buy him another year by convincing Fred Wilpon the team is built to win next year. The Mets fans I know are no where near as stupid as Fred Wilpon so they know better. I feel bad for them and all you good baseball fans that root for the Mets. If I grew up there I would root for them too. This too shall pass friends. The only scary thing to think about is whether or not it will be in your lifetime.
You trade for Stroman and then you are trading syndergard ? This is purely about salary!
I’m not even a Mets fan but I’m good with this trade
I’m good with this trade as well.
But that’s not the important part. What’s important is what comes next.
If they trade Syndergaard, the are tanking 2020, so then this trade wouldn’t make sense, even if it was value-added.
If they plan on making a run for it in 2020, and maybe hoping to get lucky in 2019, then it makes sense. But they would also need to die into the FA pool in the off-season. Or, again, this trade wouldn’t make sense.
is this the equivalent of hate drafting? Seems like they are just replacing a soon to be traded starter while simultaneously increasing the value of that starter.
I wonder what the Mets will give the Marlins for Wei-Yin Chen and Martin Prado. I bet it’d be good.