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Carlos Beltran Out As Mets’ Manager

By Steve Adams | January 16, 2020 at 8:13pm CDT

8:13pm: Beltran will not receive any of the approximately $3MM owed to him over the course of his three-year deal with the Mets, the New York Post’s Ken Davidoff reports.  The team has instead made a $200K donation to Beltran’s charitable foundation.

12:25pm: The Mets have formally announced Beltran’s ousting. COO Jeff Wilpon and general manager Brodie Van Wagenen issued the following statement:

We met with Carlos last night and again this morning and agreed to mutually part ways. This was not an easy decision. Considering the circumstances, it became clear to all parties that it was not in anyone’s best interest for Carlos to move forward as Manager of the New York Mets. We believe that Carlos was honest and forthcoming with us. We are confident that this will not be the final chapter in his baseball career. We remain excited about the talent on this team and are committed to reaching our goals of winning now and in the future.

12:07pm: Carlos Beltran’s time as manager of the Mets will apparently come to a close before he even suits up for a game. Yahoo’s Tim Brown reports (via Twitter) that Beltran has informed the Mets he feels it is best if he steps down.

Beltran was named in commissioner Rob Manfred’s report on the findings of his investigation into the Astros’ sign-stealing scheme earlier this week. While Beltran was a player at the time and wasn’t expected to be disciplined by the league as a result, reports over the past 24 hours have indicated that the Mets have been mulling his future in light of his connection to the scandal.

Whether the decision truly rested with Beltran or whether the wording of the reports (and, presumably, the forthcoming announcement) was structured in a way to allow Beltran to save face to some extent isn’t known at this time. Regardless, his ousting as manager now means that every person listed in Manfred’s Astros report — Astros GM Jeff Luhnow, Astros manager A.J. Hinch, Red Sox manager Alex Cora (formerly Houston’s bench coach) and Beltran — have now lost their jobs in the wake of a scandal that has increasingly shaken Major League Baseball as a whole.

It’s worth emphasizing that The Athletic’s report that broke the Astros’ sign-stealing scandal wide open was published two weeks after Beltran was named Mets manager. As such, there’s no reason to believe that Beltran was asked about the scandal during the interview process — let alone any reason to believe that he was untruthful with the Mets during interviews. That said, Beltran did tell the New York Post’s Joel Sherman shortly after the scandal was brought to public light that he was “not aware of that camera,” denying any improper utilization of technology.

Two months later, Manfred’s report indicated the following: “Approximately two months into the 2017 season, a group of players, including Carlos Beltrán, discussed that the team could improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter.”

The Mets, incredibly, are now the third team seeking a new manager in mid-January. They’ll likely interview a mix of internal and external candidates, and it’s worth noting that the club did interview bench coach Hensley Meulens and quality control coach Luis Rojas in its initial search following the firing of Mickey Callaway. While other clubs throughout the league might be less inclined to allow members of their coaching staff to interview now that Spring Training looms in the near future, ESPN analyst Eduardo Perez was also reported to be a leading candidate in New York’s most recent search. One would imagine that he could once again factor prominently into the club’s hunt for a skipper.

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  1. vtadave

    1 year ago

    Not a huge surprise.

    Jessica Mendoza to take over?

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    • Francys01francys08

      1 year ago

      Eduardo Perez is the best candidate to be next Mets manager.

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      • RunDMCRunDMC

        1 year ago

        Mendoza, Perez…they’re a little too much in the ESPN Sunday Night baseball team. If that’s the case, give me Tim Kurkjian or Karl Ravech.

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        • excusemeflo

          1 year ago

          I usually put the game on mute and play music when my team plays on SNB. The whole production has been terrible for a long time with awful broadcasters and over analyzing one play that happened three innings ago, and it’s even worse with all the statcast BS now.

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        • RunDMCRunDMC

          1 year ago

          True, I’d only have MLB Network if MLB did the smart thing and sold it as an individual stream and not have to buy a bunch of useless channel packages, but then they brought John Hart back — and I can’t watch that guy. It’s like watching Joe Buck without John Smoltz.

          2 Like
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        • padam

          1 year ago

          Same for MNF. That’s just as bad, if not worse.

          1 Like
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        • fannclub6

          1 year ago

          Agree. It’s hard to listen too. Bring back John Miller!

          5 Like
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        • rct

          1 year ago

          I can’t even watch because they put that awful K Zone on the screen. It’s insane to me that they’d cover up the live action with a graphic that means absolutely nothing. The only strike zone that matters is the Ump’s and baseball has so much time to show replays that it boggles my mind that they’d put it on top of the live action. It’s like when FOX tried to put that blue dot on top of the hockey puck. Maddening, and makes the game unwatchable for me.

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        • Joel

          1 year ago

          Love me some MLB.TV

          No blackouts for my team and I can listen to the opponents broadcast or radio overlaying the TV broadcast. Or park sounds

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        • RunDMCRunDMC

          1 year ago

          At least with MNF you have an endless supply of Boog quotes and inevitables memes, which I can’t get enough. Seeing him patrol the sideline 20-ft up with a monitor providing rapid-fire sound-bites is exactly what this ADHD generation needs to tune into organized violence.

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        • RunDMCRunDMC

          1 year ago

          Well, yes, there are local blackouts. And for us NYC residents, that means Mets/Yankees – and no, I’m not paying for SNY to watch 20 games/year of Braves vs. Mets.

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        • DrDan75

          1 year ago

          I’m with you there. I hate the homer chucklehead broadcasters and all the statcast crap. It doesn’t matter to me whether a home run ball barely made it over the outfielder’s glove or knocked a few pixels out of the scoreboard.

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        • Black Ace57

          1 year ago

          But Booger is great and knowledgeable! He said OJ was one of the best QBs of all time!

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        • Allknowingone

          1 year ago

          You sir are correct. Where have you gone Joe Morgan and Jon Miller? It is not easy to watch or listen to.

          2 Like
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        • yaowyaow

          1 year ago

          @excusemeflo

          I usually mute the TV when the Cubs play on ESPN and put on the radio stream.

          Best of both worlds I guess.

          Pat Hughes and Ron Coomer are a pretty good team.

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        • unpaidobserver

          1 year ago

          Amazing that they make us pine for the days of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan.

          Honestly anybody in Bay Area broadcasting is great except D. Braden, who’s been ESPN-ified. We seem to be the only media market whose announcers don’t yell at you or brim with smugness that would make Bob Costas blush.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Agree. I try to listen and within five minutes the volume if not the game is off.

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        • cubsfanbudman1908

          1 year ago

          Definitely not the old Pat and Ron, but Coomer has done a nice job. Still miss me some Santo though!

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Or as a Sox fan having to listen to Michael Kay. I can’t believe the same guy can be so good daily in the radio and so much a homer almost as bad as The Scooter. For some reason, I enjoyed listening to Bobby Mercer in the booth as well as both Frank Messer and Bill White. I used to pray though for the late innings when The Money Store man left for the GW bridge.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          On the radio, no he doesn’t fit in it…

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        • jleve618

          1 year ago

          I do like boog, sad they took him out of the rc lift to put him upstairs. It’s not the same.

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        • HugeBootsDayFAn

          1 year ago

          I loved the blue dot on the puck and have watched hockey since 1966

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      • Dan Hunter

        1 year ago

        is Showalter unavailable?

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        • 377194

          1 year ago

          Terry Collins!

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        Eduardo Perez mumbles too much. He needs to speak up!

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      • Roger71

        1 year ago

        Another puertican? ‍♂️

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        1 year ago

        Oh man, if the Mets hire Eduardo Perez, this will bring great joy and laughter to so many Marlins fans.

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    • spooky

      1 year ago

      Please oh please let Mendoza take over. It will never happen but a guy can wish.

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      • fox471

        1 year ago

        For what possible reason would Mendoza “take over?”

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        • Eatdust666

          1 year ago

          As punishment for the Mets hiring someone who was part of the Astros sign stealing scandal.

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        • dugmet

          1 year ago

          y should the mets b punished? silly.

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        • Boogaloo

          1 year ago

          Because they are the Mets, they will do anything for attention.

          Including hiring a softball player to manage big leaguers, lol.

          Don’t put it past them.

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      • fox471

        1 year ago

        Oh yeah. I am sure this was his idea.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        But she never even played the game at any professional level. And
        you want her to manage
        the Mets!!?? Is that because you want her to
        fall hard (splat!) on her face?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          She usually does every time she opens her mouth. In my view, she’s one of the most overrated personalities at ESPN,

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    • amk3510

      1 year ago

      LOL she thinks she is an ex MLB player because ESPN wanted to be woke. Thank you Mike Fiers!

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    • bad burce

      1 year ago

      She was basically blaming Fiers for this mess lol. I doubt it.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        She’s blaming people?
        She should be thanking
        them for giving her
        something to talk about!

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        • Scrap1ron

          1 year ago

          She never lacks for anything to talk about. Unfortunately it usually doesn’t have anything to do with what’s occurring on the field.

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      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        1 year ago

        She was right when she said Fiers benefited from the cheating in 2017. I’m no Mendoza fan and her answer to Golic is why she’s not a great broadcaster but she was not wrong pointing out Fiers’ hypocrisy. He may as well give back his World Series ring.

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          @WereAllJustGuestsHere

          Fiers’s hypocrisy… He’s been a heckuva lot more honest than Altuve. Altuve should give back his MVP Award.

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      • MikeyHammer

        1 year ago

        Funny how as soon as Fiers wasn’t benefitting from the cheating, his moral compass, all of a sudden, got fixed.

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        • A'sfaninLondonUK

          1 year ago

          I get bored with this “lets hate on Mike Fiers” thing. Yes, I’m an A’s fan. At least he had the plums to blow that whistle. He was off the post season 25 man, so got no share of the post season money? He got a ring? Which has a very hollow ring to it…

          He was one of three or four players from the 2017 Astros that admitted wrongdoing – but is the only one named and thus is being hung drawn and quartered. So what about your interpretation of his moral compass.?Why not tar him in pine and feathers (for another no hitter or two)

          Go and sit with Judge Judy.

          Pine tar equals greenies
          Technology equals PEDS

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Is there really much if a difference between the greenies that we’re available then and energy drinks that are available today? Purpose of five hour energy is the same as the amphetamines back in the day. Both made you alert and neither gave you more strength or got you back earlier from injuries.

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        • xtraflamyxtraflamy

          1 year ago

          no.

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        • xtraflamyxtraflamy

          1 year ago

          Meaning: no to this equivalence argument. You obviously don’t understand amphetamines if you are saying caffeine and other natural stimulants are the same.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        1 year ago

        Trying to protect those she’s fond of. I get that but it was simply the wrong time and place. Trying to protect anyone involved is a losing proposition. It’s normally great for a reporter to be the first, just not in this case. What Fiers did was refreshing and as I said before, if he played on Oakland in the late 80s, maybe the PED nightmare would have been handled better. It would have taken a domino effect with many other players publicly shaming the users but who knows?

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          Well said, dewey…

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    • sufferfortribe

      1 year ago

      After what she said? Nada.

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    • carlos15

      1 year ago

      Mendoza is atrocious

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      • twentyforty

        1 year ago

        Hitting a softball is nothing like hitting a baseball…unless you ask someone like Mendoza who likely thinks she could do both. She’s wrong.

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    • snotrocket

      1 year ago

      Nope. It’s gonna be BamBam.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        George Bamburger?

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      • sufferfortribe

        1 year ago

        Pebbles boyfriend?

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    • statman

      1 year ago

      If laughing and saying stupid things on the air constantly is the prerequisite for being a successful manager, then Mendoza is a shoo-in.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        Badda Bing!

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    • todd76

      1 year ago

      He was a Yankee for awhile so the fact he cheated is no surprise.

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      • toomuchpietoomuchpie

        1 year ago

        Sorry you have daddy issues.

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      • luclusciano

        1 year ago

        He was a met first

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    • iamhector24

      1 year ago

      Why is Jessica a thing for both sides? She’s a random front office employee.

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    • brian214

      1 year ago

      You’re kidding, right?

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    • bigstein09

      1 year ago

      May as well do it right this time and hire Francesa.

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      • nymetsking

        1 year ago

        With Mad Dog as co-manager. Would be the best post game pressers ever.

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    • ChiSox_Fan

      1 year ago

      Ozzie Guillen next Mets Mgr.

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    • Paul Miller

      1 year ago

      Bring back Bobby V!

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    • guillermo vazquez

      1 year ago

      I WOULD LOVE TO SEE KEITH HERNANDEZ BE THE METS NEXT MANAGER ..

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    • GoAwayRodGoAwayRod

      1 year ago

      Dude, WTF is wrong with Jessica Mendoza? Comes out and criticizes Fiers like she doesn’t know damned well that if Fiers went to MLB, they would have swept this thing under the rug like they already did for like 3 years?

      The reality of it is that Fiers and a dozen other people have probably GONE to the league already. And nothing happened.

      On a side note, I also sort of suspect that Beltran learned to do this in St. Louis. Remember how much “integrity” went into “the Cardinal Way” when they got caught employing a hacker to steal other teams’ scouting information?

      Wanna bet they weren’t also using cameras to steal signs?

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  2. Tipsy McStagger

    1 year ago

    Good to get that over with. I think everyone knew it was coming.

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  3. sherlock_

    1 year ago

    Lmao classic Mets

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    • luclusciano

      1 year ago

      Nah – classic Mets would have been to keep him and stand by him while the team suffered bad press. This was actually uncharacteristic

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      • Canosucks

        1 year ago

        I agree with luclusciano, I just got done sending an angry email to a fellow Mets fan saying when are they going to do the right thing and fire Beltran.

        They had to be dragged kicking and screaming; glad it is over.

        Hard enough being a Mets fan…

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        • iamhector24

          1 year ago

          “Cano sucks” and “fire Beltran” and “it’s hard being a Mets fan”. You know, you can go elsewhere.

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        • Unicorndog

          1 year ago

          But it’s so hard to take your eyes off of the Flushing Meadows dumpster fire!

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        • Canosucks

          1 year ago

          Yes I can and I can also comment on 2 very bad moves the Met’s made and I am not alone on.

          That is what this opinion board is for or in this snowflake society should we all just sing Kumbuya

          I am a loyal fan for decades so I just don’t switch just to make it easy and be a fair weather fan

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    • MetsFan22

      1 year ago

      Luis Rojas or Mullens

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  4. cards04

    1 year ago

    Dang

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  5. LouMickeyJeter

    1 year ago

    Shame.

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    • lanceparrishporvida

      1 year ago

      Not a shame. That mole on the side of the head is the interim manager. Big numbers guy. Mole.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        Uh, what?

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  6. mrdozo

    1 year ago

    welp…I wanted Showalter anyway. come back no NY Buck

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  7. xwhyz

    1 year ago

    You did the right thing Carlos.

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    • luclusciano

      1 year ago

      No he didn’t – that’s why the Mets let him go.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        That comment went right
        over your head…..

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        • luclusciano

          1 year ago

          My head? Maybe you can help to explain? A lot of articles are saying he did the right thing by stepping down, he didn’t step down. The Mets did him a solid by saying you can step down or be fired, your choice.

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  8. RustyHingerustyhinge

    1 year ago

    Figures. The cheater has more integrity than the do-nothing Mets management.

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    • wordonthestreet

      1 year ago

      The Mets may have told him he could resign rather than being fired.

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      • ForestCobraAL

        1 year ago

        No.

        Wouldn’t surprise me if the Madoffs refused Beltran’s resignation and attacked the media.

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        • sufferfortribe

          1 year ago

          Madoffs?

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        • Unicorndog

          1 year ago

          Is there no end to the Madoff skullduggery?!

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      • Msusner87

        1 year ago

        They likely gave him the option of stepping down or being fired

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        • fox471

          1 year ago

          Gee, you think?

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    • yogineely

      1 year ago

      Awesome comment

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    • Confortoismyspiritanimal

      1 year ago

      Resigning is better for Mets. They don’t have to pay his contract or buy him out.

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    • carlos15

      1 year ago

      Stupid comment

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  9. bjhaas1977

    1 year ago

    Mistake

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  10. partyatnapolis

    1 year ago

    needed to happen

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  11. RunDMCRunDMC

    1 year ago

    Bang the trash can! Beltran was undefeated as Mets GM! GOAT!

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    • RunDMCRunDMC

      1 year ago

      **Pardon…meant Mets manager

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      • yogineely

        1 year ago

        Beautiful

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      • Msusner87

        1 year ago

        He’s also winless

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    • bkbk

      1 year ago

      love this take

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    • DarkSide830

      1 year ago

      only boosts his HoF chanses

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      • fox471

        1 year ago

        Sarcasm or stupidity?

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        • D0m

          1 year ago

          both

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    • txman22

      1 year ago

      Yes for trivia fans only 2 NY managers/coaches to never lose a game? Beltran & Belichek. Both cheaters.

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  12. vtadave

    1 year ago

    Mets – Buck Showalter
    Red Sox – Dusty Baker
    Astros – John Gibbons

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    • yogineely

      1 year ago

      I would love this because it would be like an extra punishment for Sox and Astros

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      • AaronSapoznik

        1 year ago

        LOL!

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    • Fred

      1 year ago

      Mets aren’t going to pay up to get Buck

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      • DarkSide830

        1 year ago

        you mean the guy who would have been out of a job for another year if not for these new openings?

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        1 year ago

        Exactly. They could have had Giradi if they were willing to pay up. They want to go cheap.

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        • padreforlife

          1 year ago

          Boom now they are fools

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          1 year ago

          Now? Haha.

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    • spy

      1 year ago

      Red Sox – Jason Varitek

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    • brickhaus

      1 year ago

      The chances Chaim Bloom hires Dusty Baker are zero. He’s hiring someone stats oriented who’s willing to take direction from the front office, similar to Baldelli and Cash.

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      • fox471

        1 year ago

        And Roberts!

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    • ronnsnow

      1 year ago

      Clint Hurdle is wondering where he fits in.

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      • Android Dawesome

        1 year ago

        He barely fits into his man muumuu

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      • mario crosby

        1 year ago

        Hurdle would be a good transition choice. He did a lot with very little in Pittsburgh until he finally stopped drinking the Nutting Kool-Aid.

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    • jerseyjoe

      1 year ago

      Buck lives in Dallas. He wants the Astros job would be my guess.

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    • oldleftylong

      1 year ago

      No Dusty, please, say the starting pitchers.

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    • nymetsking

      1 year ago

      Buck no

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  13. jonscriff

    1 year ago

    wow

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  14. Ully

    1 year ago

    Well this whole ordeal made the league look like “trash” with all these “cannings”.

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    • yogineely

      1 year ago

      Very nice

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    • mstrchef13

      1 year ago

      I see what you did there.

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    • newjokecity

      1 year ago

      Well done sir!

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    • jorge78

      1 year ago

      Nope.
      On the weak side…..

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  15. darmstrong92

    1 year ago

    Lol mets

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  16. bleacherbumbleacherbum

    1 year ago

    Most logical move. Mets need to move forward with someone who doesn’t have egg smear on their face from the fallout with Houston.

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    • phenomenalajs

      1 year ago

      The smart move would be to just give the job to Bam Bam Meulens since they just hired him as bench coach. A new search is not great PR right now.

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  17. FishyHalo

    1 year ago

    Still stupid players didn’t get punishment.

    This is a start.

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    • RunDMCRunDMC

      1 year ago

      Well, not really. It’s their employers that are doing it, not MLB. What would be a start is Crane to do an internal investigation and suspend/fire any active players that were involved or key figures (coaches, etc.).

      That on top of spring training, finding a new GM/manager and fill out your available roster while teaching your wet behind the ears son the family business…? And we’re not even talking about the legal ramifications when MLBPA gets involved for suspending players for actions almost 3 years ago. If you see junk ahead you walk around it, you don’t step into the middle of it.

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      • Confortoismyspiritanimal

        1 year ago

        Crane should have been punished. LALALALA I can’t see my players and coaches installing equipment LALALALA I have no idea about anything baseball LALALALA

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      • JonnyMLB

        1 year ago

        It Crane steps up and fines\suspends players he would become my favorite owner in sports! The Comish doesn’t have the stones to do it, but it needs to be done

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    • brickhaus

      1 year ago

      MLB didn’t want to give the MLBPA any excuse to raise a ruckus and turn it into something much bigger than it already is.

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    • bigtwinsfan14

      1 year ago

      Players won’t be punished at all. Players union protects them.

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      • JonnyMLB

        1 year ago

        Players union is supposed to protect ALL players, I doubt the players on the 15-25 innocent teams feel protected right now

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        • bobby clementhay

          1 year ago

          “…15-25 innocent teams…” LOL, far less than that amount…

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          1 year ago

          More like the 3-5 innocent teams! Why do you think every team has 4-5+ different sets of signs and constantly changes them throughout the game? It’s because they know cameras are on them and someone is watching what the catchers are putting down. They used to only do this when runners reached second base. Now signs are being changed at the start of an inning and sometimes in the middle of each inning with no runners on base! Every team knows it is being done, most likely because they do something similar themselves. I just hope that it stops here and more disgruntled ex-players don’t start singing like canaries too. I do believe that with Manfred’s harsh penalties, this will finally come to a grinding halt; however, there are 20+ teams (and MLB too) holding their collective breaths that nothing leaks out about what they were doing or have done in the past. Yankees were fined in 2017 for inappropriate use of cameras too, so this most likely goes a lot deeper than just Houston and Boston. Houston certainly took it to a whole new level and were probably the only ones smug (or stupid) enough to signal batters from the dugout about the upcoming pitch, but there’s no question that a host of other teams were reviewing in game tapes to get some sort of home field advantage, whether it be actual sign stealing or tipping of pitches.

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          Yankees were NOT fined for inappropriate use of cameras in 2017. They were fined for having a phone. The commissioner’s office looked into the Red Sox’s suspicious allegation that the NYY used the YES Network and found the claim “had no merit” due to “insufficient evidence.” Stop LYING, Dorothy. And stop deflecting.

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        • JonnyMLB

          1 year ago

          There’s 15 teams TRYING to lose, why would they cheat to win?

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        • Greg M

          1 year ago

          “Why do you think every team has 4-5+ different sets of signs and constantly changes them throughout the game?”

          Because they are nervous about the opposition picking up signs. What the Astros and Red Sox did was different. Joe Baseball picking up signs from second base is different then Joe Nerd installing a camera in center field to steal sign’s and then notifying the hitter as to what’s coming.

          Every team in baseball does the former but I would doubt that any more then 3-4 teams (at most) were doing the latter.

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          @Dorothy Mantooth

          The NYY were NOT fined for “inappropriate use of cameras” in 2017, as you claim. That’s complete fabrication. They were fined for having a phone. The commissioner’s office looked into the Red Sox’s spurious allegation that the NYY used the YES Network and found the claim “had no merit” due to “insufficient evidence.” Please get your facts straight.

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    • martras

      1 year ago

      The commissioner previously made it clear that the front office would be held accountable for these types of violations. The players don’t have any real control over the facilities so if management installs the necessary equipment and provides the information to the players to use, the players are going to use it.

      As a side note, are you going to punish every player on the active roster for Houston and the Red Sox? Your quest for infinite vengeance is overzealous, unfair and misguided.

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      • JonnyMLB

        1 year ago

        Cheating the integrity of baseball is ten times more overzealous,unfair and misguided

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      • Mo4ever

        1 year ago

        Every player participated actively or through complicity. They all benefited. No one stopped it. Yes, they should all be punished. Coaches too.

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    • Josh5890

      1 year ago

      Manfred would never pick that fight with the MLBPA. Not in a million years.

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    • Unclenolanrules

      1 year ago

      I am an Astros fan, think that way too much is being made of this, but totally agree. To use the PED analogy, if you test positive it doesn’t matter what team you’re on, you get suspended. If it hurts their current club so be it. If Houston has to basically field a replacement team, fine.

      This may hurt that group in FA. Maybe that will be passive punishment.

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    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      1 year ago

      Nor should they have been punished, because how do you decide who’s guilty with any certainty? A guy in the dugout might have banged on a trashcan, but that doesn’t mean the batter asked him to. If you asked, of course they’d all lie. Then again, maybe a player or two wanted no parts of it. It’s not what you know, or believe; it’s what you are able to prove.

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      • Mo4ever

        1 year ago

        They were all involved either actively or through complicity. They all benefited. No one stopped it.

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  18. skullbreathe

    1 year ago

    After Beltran was named in the report he was “Dead Manager Walking.”

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  19. yogineely

    1 year ago

    Lol

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  20. macstruts

    1 year ago

    Beltran obviously lied during the interview process, had he told the truth, he would have never been hired.

    If an employee lies to the employer, he’s not going to keep his/her job.

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    • martras

      1 year ago

      Not remotely true. It depends on what a person lies about.

      Aside from that, how is it that Beltran “obviously lied?” Were you part of the interview process? As MLBTR pointed out, it’s unlikely Beltran was even asked about the sign stealing issue.

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      • Cmurphy

        1 year ago

        November 14, 2019: In the Rosenthal report that came out Wednesday night, Beltran — who texted Rosenthal — said he was not part of the alleged sign-stealing that involved the center field camera. “I’m not aware of that [center field] camera”

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        • hammer_time24

          1 year ago

          Thanks for proving his point. Beltran was hired Nov. 1, two weeks before this report came out. He clearly lied later, but the Mets had no reason to ask him about this beforehand.

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  21. tiredolddude

    1 year ago

    Clint Hurdle is ready

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  22. throwinched10

    1 year ago

    Bobby Valentine baby!

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  23. iibng76

    1 year ago

    Good for Him.

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  24. Phiilies2020

    1 year ago

    Wow. Cora ya just knew, but wasnt so sure that Beltran would be out as well

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  25. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    never shouldve been hired to start with

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  26. findingnimmo

    1 year ago

    Bye bye beltran! Don’t let the door hit you in the….wait he never really made it through the door for it to hit him

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  27. AaronSapoznik

    1 year ago

    Quite the fallout from the sign-stealing scandal. Also a bonanza for any former manager who failed to secure a gig this offseason like Buck Showalter and Dusty Baker. Three teams with solid rosters and high postseason expectations are now looking to fill their void in the dugout on the eve of spring training.

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    • Rallyshirt

      1 year ago

      This is becoming a real sellers market!

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  28. Joe Says...

    1 year ago

    Bet BVW wishes he had gone with Girardi.

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    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      1 year ago

      Not sure Girardi ever really wanted the job, but they definitely should have made the offer.

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      • Joe Says...

        1 year ago

        Wouldn’t be surprised. BVW strikes me as someone who wouldn’t want a big named manager.

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        • Canosucks

          1 year ago

          As a Mets fan say it is so Joe,

          Van Lunchwagon wanted a puppet all along and was only interviewing Girardi to pacify Mets fans like me and would have never hired him.

          When Beltran came out and said he would “cooperate” with GM the word was not meant in its normal meaning.

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  29. MetsFan22

    1 year ago

    This is the stupid media being little babies. Good job guys!

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    • toomuchpietoomuchpie

      1 year ago

      lol

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    • RunDMCRunDMC

      1 year ago

      It’s New York…when there’s a s— storm in their backyard, they’ll be all over it. And really, BVW can’t stand to get this one wrong. He’s now onto 3 managers in 2 years under his watch. It’s not like Beltran was a HoF manager with a sterling record and years of experience. This was risky before the story broke and the wrong move after.

      If they wait any longer, they won’t have what’s left of a managerial choice, considering other better jobs (HOU, BOS, Staples service associate) are available.

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  30. who_are_you_people

    1 year ago

    The media made this a way bigger deal than it really was IMHO. I don’t think Carlos should have lost his job.

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    • RunDMCRunDMC

      1 year ago

      If that’s true, what does that say about NYM and their inability to stand up for their new manager and former star player if they believe he was either not complicit (after the report) or is the right guy for the job?

      If nothing else, give the Mets some credit for doing the right thing and not wanting to start a very important time in their franchise by bringing unnecessary baggage to Citi Field, when it’s already going to be hard enough to manage in the NL East, in New York, with the East Coast bias media breathing down your neck.

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      • who_are_you_people

        1 year ago

        Not sure of your fandom, but the Mets being indecisive is a running joke around the franchise. By not issuing a statement, they let it get bigger than it needed to be for them. Also, if true that he stepped down, they should not get credit for “doing the right thing”. It was a decision made for them.

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        • RunDMCRunDMC

          1 year ago

          Queens resident, Braves fan — their running jokes are the background noise to my dinners. Trust me, I know more than I want to. Mets can give the MTA a lesson in excuses to fail with astounding originality.

          Don’t get it wrong – Cora and Beltran aren’t stepping down. Believe that if you want. They’re getting fired. They don’t need a reference for their next job, but they’re allowing Beltran to fail with dignity.

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        • who_are_you_people

          1 year ago

          I agree with you on that. It is a firing in everything but name only. I just don’t like how everyone is making it out to be that Beltran was one of the head honchos just because his name was mentioned once in the whole report. He wasn’t the mastermind. He wanted a better way of stealing signs, but gave no plan on how. I have no problem with that. That’s as old as the game itself. Cora took it too far, something we can all agree on. The entire thing is a mess that he got caught up in.

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        • RunDMCRunDMC

          1 year ago

          Agreed. Unfortunately, MLBPA is the shield in this s—storm and with Beltran no longer playing, he can’t hide behind them. If he was, he’d just be a footnote in the report and Cora would have to quell those bloodthirsty.

          Without reading the report, I’d love to know the active players instrumental in it. Honestly, very fascinating, especially when you know they took down the CF camera after the CWS game Farquar caught on. Everyone knew what they were doing was wrong.

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        • who_are_you_people

          1 year ago

          It’s really something to marvel about. I just wonder how many other teams were doing something similar. But alas, the people got their pound of flesh (or 4 pounds to be more accurate). I hope those who wanted Beltran to be fired protest if their team trades for Altuve or Springer or Bregman (unrealistic I know). I doubt any of them will. I would welcome Altuve for Cano and not blink twice about it.

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  31. calguy

    1 year ago

    We have been rethinking things here on the left coast. Giants will trade Kapler to the Mets for $5,000 in International cap money and a revised employee handbook, up to date with all the new laws.

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  32. trumpcards29

    1 year ago

    This whole thing is so stupid. 4 guys have lost their jobs over something that happens at all levels of the game. It’s a part of the game! Just like the steroids, the media is blowing this out of proportion.

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  33. 22Leo

    1 year ago

    Hmm…Mets manager position is open. Is Carrot Top available? Put that guy in a blue suit and he could show up to a press conference sporting the Mets colors. That, among other things, makes him perfect for the job.

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  34. whyhayzee

    1 year ago

    Funny – the yankees hire the guy and it’s a great move, then the Mets hire him and it’s a joke. Um, ok.

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    • 22Leo

      1 year ago

      Maybe it’s because the Mets are a joke in general.

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      • whyhayzee

        1 year ago

        Um, ok.

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    • Joe Says...

      1 year ago

      All a matter of timing. I’m sure if he was still in the Yankees FO, they would get rid of him.

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    • Mo4ever

      1 year ago

      I’m not surprised you can’t parse those circumstances, WayHazy.

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    • luclusciano

      1 year ago

      Carlos was not a bad signing. Until we learned he readily had no issue cheating and lied about it. Pretty sure you want to be able to trust tour coach – but that’s just my opinion.

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  35. echozulu88

    1 year ago

    At least they just did interviews so they can pray their second choice is still available

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  36. TheLawAbides

    1 year ago

    High Pitch Eric going to be next manager show them all why he really has the nickname High Pitch

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    • MikeyHammer

      1 year ago

      Who’s High Pitch ? This is Kelly Clarkson.

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      • TheLawAbides

        1 year ago

        He’s from Howard Stern called this firing said he’s going to work for the Astros because he doesn’t know anything about baseball

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  37. mg

    1 year ago

    Most obvious candidate is Terry Collins. Still in the organization and he holds the spot warm for Brody-bro Hinch next year

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  38. dartvard

    1 year ago

    Pretty sure the lesson here is when MLB comes out with a statement you don’t want your name in the same sentence as the word “scheme.”

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  39. dimelotitony

    1 year ago

    Manfred didnt want to challenge the Players Union and open up pandora box that would have led to even more convictions across the board and once again players are saved ala the mitchell report we will keep it behind hush doors whom was involved until a whistleblower back then like now put MLB on the spot to reveal whom was on that list.

    This is not about the fans as Baseball does not care all they care about is putting butts on the seats for every stadium possible which is why the balls were juiced last year and record hitting HomeRuns were hit .

    Still the Houston Astros Owner got away with murder what is a $5 million dollar fine when they easily surpassed that with championship gear sells as well as raising tickets following year. Houston should have been fined $20 million, loss of international draft money and slots along with draft picks and finally those players involved should have been suspended for at least 30 games for their involvement then that would hit the team where it hurts in the standings where they would have had to bring up players from their minors to try and get by and that will almost surely guarantees a rough start to the season that would set them back.

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    • bigtwinsfan14

      1 year ago

      $5MM was the max allowed by the current rules. The Astros should’ve been barred from postseason play for 2 years. Then, all the high-priced talent would demand trades to other teams. The Astros would’ve been punished and the rest of the league would benefit as well.

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      • bobby clementhay

        1 year ago

        Yeah, bigtwinsfan14, because cheating players would suddenly be ok if they’re on your team…

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      • sn0048

        1 year ago

        The $5 million maximum fine was probably decided on with the input of owners. MLB knows unhappy owners create a roadblock. I’m sure they collaborate with the owners constantly on the handling of various issues and rules.

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    • padreforlife

      1 year ago

      They can’t fine Crane anymore than 5 mil

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  40. 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

    1 year ago

    Goodbye, Beltrash

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  41. John Smith

    1 year ago

    A nicer way of saying your fired.

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  42. kennonr

    1 year ago

    Okay – now go investigate the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Rangers, Cubs, Diamondbacks, and the Indians.

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    • turner9

      1 year ago

      I remember when the Jays were in their Playoff run, the Yankees made a big deal about a guy in CF relaying signs

      Except they had closed the CF seating sections due to complaints from their own players about the ball being hard to pick up out of the pitchers hands

      And we didnt make it to the WS either year, so either the Jays weren’t actually cheating ala Houston or Boston, or we suck at cheating

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  43. bobtillman

    1 year ago

    Ah well, why not:

    Mets: Buck. Don’t forget Steinbrenner was suspended when Showalter took over Yanks; he can handle the chaos.

    Sox: Brad Asmus: You know those Ivy League guys are shower buddies

    Astros: Dusty Baker: Nice, safe, calming.

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  44. Les Chesterfield

    1 year ago

    Should read Beltran ran off by PC police as mets manager. BS superficial super fake mlb with their BS image mirage.

    Our society has been morally bankrupt for a very long time. All these guys cheat and it’s been that way for decades or more. That’s why all the teams have their own media on staff. Bunch of frauds reading teleprompters just like on fox and cnn.

    I could care less about Beltran or the Mets. Just worn from the endless superficial sacrifices to protect a lie we all figured out in 1998.

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    • toomuchpietoomuchpie

      1 year ago

      lol

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  45. boognailz4

    1 year ago

    Go BAM BAM! (and i’m not hitting a trash can)

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  46. i hate my father

    1 year ago

    Mendoza blew her chance by pretty much supporting cheating in the game.

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    • i hate my father

      1 year ago

      Beltran joins the great ranks of managers who never lost a game at the helm along side with Backman. Congrats!

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    • forwhomjoshbelltolls

      1 year ago

      Her chance at what?

      Another job she’s not qualified for (or good at)?

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    • toomuchpietoomuchpie

      1 year ago

      She wasn’t going to be the manager.

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  47. kwolf68

    1 year ago

    Anyone have the number for Tire World?

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    • Joe Says...

      1 year ago

      Nice

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  48. Russianblue35

    1 year ago

    The Mount Rushmore of Cheatgate is complete

    Lunhow, Hinch, Cora and Beltran!

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  49. lowtalker1

    1 year ago

    Lol
    It was a stupid idea to hire him as a manager In the first place, regardless of the issue.

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    • JDGoat

      1 year ago

      Agreed. Saved themselves from their own bad choice.

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      • bush1

        1 year ago

        It was dumb because he’s been mentioned as a huge participant since the scandal broke. It’s hardly surprising that news came out that the info was all true. Just such a dumb hire with all that going on.

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  50. dugmet

    1 year ago

    Curious if Terry Collins steps up as a one-year interim or will Mets go back to candidates like Eduardo Perez?

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    • phenomenalajs

      1 year ago

      I think Bam Bam Meulens is a more likely choice since he was just hired as bench coach. They could ask TC to be his bench coach.

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  51. longtimeyankfan

    1 year ago

    This just in, Carlos Beltran goes undefeated as NY Mets manager!

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    • luclusciano

      1 year ago

      This also just in – Carlos Beltran winless as Mets manager.

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  52. FatChance65

    1 year ago

    Joe Girardi

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  53. PapiElf

    1 year ago

    That was quick.

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  54. Louiebeans

    1 year ago

    Next up
    Cora’s Lifetime ban and player punishments.

    Is everyone delirious making / letting the player walk?

    5 million dollar fine. 81 game suspension.

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    • hammer_time24

      1 year ago

      Can’t fine every player $5 million. Guys like Bregman haven’t even made $2 million in their careers. They should be suspended (without pay), and probably be fined the equivalent of their championship bonuses.

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      • Priggs89

        1 year ago

        Bregman got a $5.9M signing bonus when he was drafted, and he got a $10M signing bonus on his new contract. He has already made over $18M in his career, and he’s set to make another $100M over the next 5 years. Poor example.

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  55. padam

    1 year ago

    Next up – Fiers comes out with a book.

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  56. bravesfan

    1 year ago

    Good for him, after making a bad mistake, owning up and doing the right there to avoid any future issues for the team. Now…. if the Mets could just go hire some bum off the street that knows nothing about baseball and causes them to fall out of control so that they are never a good team again, the rest of the league would much appreciate it….

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    • bush1

      1 year ago

      Nobody knows what went on. The Mets probably gave him an option to say he’s stepping away, rather than have them and him have their names dragged through the mud anymore.

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  57. Tom Price

    1 year ago

    Now that Beltran is out who is Andy Martino, Ken Davidoff and Joel Sherman going after next?

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    • toomuchpietoomuchpie

      1 year ago

      Yeah, it was their fault he cheated.

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  58. bigm

    1 year ago

    Astros and Redsox should be stripped of World Series titles and Altuve and Betts should be stripped of MVP and handed down to the runner ups.

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  59. bigm

    1 year ago

    Ban all those clowns for cheating. That messed up baseball the last three years. People lost jobs for losing and players stats got all messed up to a bunch of cheaters.

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    • JD396

      1 year ago

      Entire 1990s has entered the chat

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  60. cws2019

    1 year ago

    No one will, but Ozzie Guillen is worth interviewing. Baseball can use some characters. Take him over Dusty any day!

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    • Rallyshirt

      1 year ago

      Return of the blizzard? I like it.

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  61. Al Hirschen

    1 year ago

    Eduardo Perez should be the next mgr

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  62. sidewinder11

    1 year ago

    Mets have an advantage here given that they had already interviewed a bunch of candidates earlier this offseason. Boston and Houston have to start a search from scratch

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  63. bush1

    1 year ago

    Genius work AGAIN Mets. Ok, we’ll take your word for it, even though your heavily mentioned from the very beginning of the scandal. This is sooo Mets…

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    • MetsFan22

      1 year ago

      So Mets… but will still finish with a better record than cubs next year!

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      • bush1

        1 year ago

        Good one. You really got me there. SMH. The Cubs aren’t even trying to win this year, so yeah most teams will probably have better records. But your such a creative genius anyway….

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  64. munlou

    1 year ago

    If Beltran is being punished for something that happened when he was a active player doesn’t this mean that any player on Astros can’t become a manager ever in the future

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    • bush1

      1 year ago

      It’s like anything in life that just needs time to die down. I mean he was taking over when the report came out. I’d imagine in a few years it won’t be as highly discussed and on everyone’s minds.

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  65. FattKemp

    1 year ago

    I really hope that the Baseball Prospectus writers circle back and re-write their version of the LOLMets’ previous and/or upcoming season

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  66. fox471

    1 year ago

    Good but where do the Dodgers go to get satisfaction? Can’t give the Dodgers the WS. That would be ridiculous. The only just thing to do is vacate the Astros and Red Sox titles. No winners in 2017 or 2018. THAT will send the proper message!

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    • Eatdust666

      1 year ago

      Kind of like the 2005 Heisman Trophy, which Reggie Bush was forced to return and remained vacated, rather than giving it to Vince Young, who was the runner-up.

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    • bobby clementhay

      1 year ago

      Where do the Dodgers go to get satisfaction? Ask Logan Morrison, he DIRECTLY ACCUSED the Dodgers of using video to steal signs…

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      • Mo4ever

        1 year ago

        Yes, and that’s the same thing as being found guilty on video and after 60 interviews. The exact same thing. Logan Morrison. SMH.

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    • Sabermetric Acolyte

      1 year ago

      If we’re going to start vacating records then be prepared for a lot of records to go away. Even Dodgers fans should be prepared for issues if they want to vacate the 2017 and 2018 World Series… two of their wins in the 1988 WS came from Orel Hershiser who was accused of doctoring the ball during his career.

      I really am loving how other fan bases are going all holier than thou on the Astros and Red Sox… name a franchise and odds are they will have had a prominent cheater help them. Possible exception being the Rays…

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    • Priggs89

      1 year ago

      Where do the Dodgers go? They go home and pray this all dies down before they get busted too.

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  67. fareast55

    1 year ago

    Day 4: Gaylord Perry Hall of Fame Ejection Watch

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  68. canocorncanocorn

    1 year ago

    Mr Manfred, please install Danny Farquhar as MLB’s Tsar of investigations into cheating rumors and accusations.
    Why there isn’t such a facility in place already is a mystery, unless you don’t go looking for what you don’t want to find.

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  69. bobtillman

    1 year ago

    Meanwhile, across the NFL landscape, Odell Beckham just had an arrest warrant issued because he slapped a police officer’s bottom……….

    Sports just ain’t what it used to be………

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  70. dschap02

    1 year ago

    All is these “punishments” were too light.
    1 yr suspension… BS. Poor Pete Rose still banned for life while juice heads are coaching (McGwire) ,announcing games (A-Roid) and people who flat out cheated the game, fans and fellow major leaguers will serve a short suspension.

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  71. Far Beyond Driven

    1 year ago

    FIRE A-ROD

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    • Mo4ever

      1 year ago

      A-Rod was suspended for a year and a half. More than any of these players… And he fessed up, unlike any Astros other than Fiers.

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  72. martras

    1 year ago

    I don’t think this is remotely good for the Mets. Their front office and ownership is looking more dysfunctional than ever at this point. If I were a decent candidate for a managerial role, I’d have serious questions about whether or not I’d want to work in such an organization since it only takes a couple black marks on a resume to end your managerial career.

    The Mets shouldn’t have thrown him under the bus in the first place. They should have released a statement similar to:

    “We’re aware of the commissioners findings from the sign stealing investigation. Our organization does not condone and will not allow these types of tactics and we’ve emphasized that with our entire operations and management staff. All members of our organization are aware of our expectations the Mets operate in an honorable fashion, and we’re looking forward to the upcoming season.”

    Instead, they threw Beltran under the bus publicly right off the bat while they decided in the background how they wanted to handle it.

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  73. scottaz

    1 year ago

    Moving forward, I think holding the Manager and GM responsible is an effective deterrent. Several posters mentioned that Hinch should have stood up to the players and stopped the cheating. The manager is in the dugout, should be aware of what’s going on around him, and if he knows he’ll get fired and maybe banned from baseball for life, he’ll be motivated to stop the cheating. And the GM will have to back him up, or he faces the same fate. I think this was the best solution for curbing future cheating. May not be a perfect solution, but it should keep a lid on blatant rule breaking.

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  74. PSUMetsFan

    1 year ago

    I love the Mets, I’ve been a die-hard fan all my life. I wasn’t alive to see them in ’86 but I have watched them lose the WS twice. When the Mets finally do win the WS again, I don’t want to go through the pain and misery of what Astros fans are going through right now, having their only championship in almost 60 seasons as a franchise tarnished forever due to selfish, out of control players and do-nothing coaches. For the next few years, all of those Astros players are going to be booed and ridiculed for what they did, and rightly so, and their fans, who did nothing wrong, are going to have to suffer for it.

    No fans deserve that, and I don’t want that to happen to us Met fans either, No matter who he is or what he accomplished as a Met, letting Carlos go was 1000% the right thing to do. Hard to do, but the right thing to do. If you follow the commissioner’s write-up, maybe cutting Beltran loose isn’t justified, as he said that players wouldn’t be disciplined, but I think de facto branding Carlos as a cheater for what he did, and implying everyone else on that team did the same, is punishment enough to blacklist those players from becoming managers, GMs, or among the top money makers in free agency due to their concerns for a team’s public image.

    Bottom line, pro sports is about making money, but you do that by devoting the whole enterprise towards the fans. Fans don’t deserve to have their sports heroes cheating and their entertainment dollars spent on something like this. Treat the fans right, and serve justice.

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      He wasn’t just one of the guys going along with it. Reports are he along with cora were the ones who came up and implemented the idea. Allowing him to manage with that on his resume is a deal breaker. Mets would not have hired him with this knowledge and firing him based on this is entirely justified. The manager represents the franchise and an organization with any integrity at all would not want someone who demonstrates poor moral judgement leading them.

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    • hammer_time24

      1 year ago

      I’ve wasted way too much time reading comments about this over the last few days, but this may be my favorite. Well said.

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  75. Moneyballer

    1 year ago

    Every other manager should take note and if they’re doing the crap that this trio (Cora, Hinch, Beltran) was doing – halt immediately or risk their jobs! Baseball is a tough sport, but play it fair – fans deserve to see a straight up champion each year.

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    • bobby clementhay

      1 year ago

      No, no, too late for that, Moneyballer, if they’re still doing that “crap” they and their team must meet the same fate as the Astros…

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      • Moneyballer

        1 year ago

        Oh trust me, the other teams doing this, and I FULLY BELIEVE there are other teams….will shutdown that stuff asap if they haven’t already. The biggest thing that is suspect league-wide is that live-feed replay room. Just way too easy to use that in real time during games – boston et al.

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  76. jorge78

    1 year ago

    143 comments in 20 mimutes!
    That’s gotta be a record!
    There must be a lot of people living in the NYC area!
    Yoooge!

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  77. Nix's_Kicks

    1 year ago

    LFG!!!!!!!!!!

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  78. Far Beyond Driven

    1 year ago

    Gonna miss Beltran. Only undefeated manager in Mets history.

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Not me, he couldn’t even manage to get 1 single win. He was a bum!

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  79. jorge78

    1 year ago

    Eduardo Perez mumbles too much. He is going to have to speak up!

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  80. msqboxer

    1 year ago

    How many managers lost their jobs during the steroids era? Everyone knew they were cheating at that time?

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Unless the manager was injecting his players with roids, how can he be blamed for that? Different situation entirely.

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      • 22Leo

        1 year ago

        Sometimes common sense isn’t very common.

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  81. Joegiov

    1 year ago

    Mets should just have resurrected Casey stengel to manage

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    • formerdraftpick

      1 year ago

      Maybe Beltran and Cora can fill the Astros open roles?

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    • 22Leo

      1 year ago

      Resurrection is cheating.

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      • Moneyballer

        1 year ago

        Resurrection? There’s no resurrection in baseball!!

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  82. formerdraftpick

    1 year ago

    Maybe Beltran and Cora can fill the Astros open roles?

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  83. Gigorilla

    1 year ago

    All this from 2017. I have not read anywhere about 2018-2019. Do we assume it was still going on? Thanks ahead if anyone here can post links relating to 2018-19 sign stealing.

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    • Cat Mando

      1 year ago

      Gigorilla………
      2016 season: MLB’s investigation did “not reveal any other scheme or method utilized by the Astros” to steal signs.

      Early 2017: The center field feed was used to decode signs when the Astros had a runner on second base. Once decoded, the sequence would be relayed to the dugout, and the runner at second would decode the signs and signal to the hitter at the plate.

      Two months into 2017: The garbage can method was implemented and the team began to pump a live feed to a new monitor in the tunnel. The Astros initially tried whistling and clapping before settling on the garbage can. The scheme is called “player-driven,” with current Mets manager Carlos Beltran mentioned by name. Both systems were used throughout the 2017 season.

      Postseason 2017: Manfred’s report says the club continued using their systems to steal signs during the postseason, even after all 30 clubs were warned that September to not use electronics improperly to steal signs.

      Prior to 2018: With MLB’s approval, the Astros relocated their video room to a room closer to the dugout at Minute Maid Park, to a location similar to ballparks around the league.

      2018 season: The Astros continued to use their video room to decode signs and relay them to the dugout. At some point during the season they stopped decoding signs “because the players no longer believed it was effective.”

      2018 postseason: MLB’s investigation uncovered no evidence the Astros used electronic equipment to decode signs during the 2018 postseason.

      2019 season: MLB’s investigation “revealed no violations” during the 2019 regular season or postseason.

      cbssports.com/mlb/news/houston-astros-cheating-sca…

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      • Gigorilla

        1 year ago

        Cat — thanks for the reply and link. Interesting that Astros were 4-8 in home playoff games 2018-19.

        This should clean things up for a while in MLB.

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  84. iamdb

    1 year ago

    Why did the report mention Beltran, but no other players?

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    • 22Leo

      1 year ago

      No questions! Only obey!

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    • formerdraftpick

      1 year ago

      The rest of the people are really CGI. What you know is not reality.

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    • whynot

      1 year ago

      Because he is no longer and active player

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    • PSUMetsFan

      1 year ago

      I think it mentioned it because he played a more prominent role than the others. During his Mets interviewing process, everyone everywhere talked about how, for his last few years as a player, Carlos was a mentor and a de facto “player/coach” with the Yankees, Rangers, and Astros. Therefore it would be in line with that persona that he would have been a likely “ringleader” among the players in this scheme if he garnered that level of trust and respect. All of this is speculation of course.

      In reality though, I think that all of the players should be held accountable anyway: Manfred didn’t do enough in that regard and yes, if it meant that the 2020 Astros needed to play the entire season with any members of the 17-18 Astros suspended, forcing them to lose 100 games and still not get a 1st round pick, then that sounds like a good punishment.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      1 year ago

      The players union would strongly protect active players. Beltran doesn’t fall into that category.

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  85. Moneyballer

    1 year ago

    What really bothers me is how simplistic the approach was the astros used. I can think of many more ways to do the exact same thing without raising alarm bells that even fans in the stadium could detect! Begs the question, what else are other more resourceful teams doing? Players know, its only a matter of time before someone else reveals a bombshell.

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  86. usafcop

    1 year ago

    Mutually agreed to part ways….lmao

    Just like Cora and the Red Sox mutually decided to part ways….like Cora and Beltran’s morals and integrity led them to step down voluntarily…..

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  87. formerdraftpick

    1 year ago

    The Indians are the next to be implicated. You thought that guy who bangs the drum in the bleachers was just an avid fan. Nope. Stealing signals.

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Oh please that guy would have to be a former player very adept at reading sign sequences to be doing that. He would have to have binoculars looking in and the ability to know what he’s seeing. There’s just no way!

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      • Charles Russell

        1 year ago

        It’s called “a joke.”

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  88. Moneyballer

    1 year ago

    I highly doubt AJ Hinch, Alex Cora, and Carlos Beltran “mutually agreed” on anything. They should just say what actually happened, FIRED against their will – that would be honest reporting there.

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    • RunDMCRunDMC

      1 year ago

      Reporters are doing their job. They’re reporting the info they can confirm. Viewers are smart enough to know the truth and not have to watch Crane throwing a lamp at Hinch or watching Beltran walk out of Citi Field with a legal-sized filing box filled with his PS4 and signed picture of himself.

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    • PSUMetsFan

      1 year ago

      I guess it’s a way of letting them escape with their dignity intact, which is more than they deserve.

      Luhnow: a baseball genius who revolutionized the game with his usage of analytics, looked up to by a whole generation of up and coming baseball execs, fostered a hostile and toxic work environment and never kept control of his coaching staff or players

      Hinch: managed Houston to it’s first WS win in over 50 years as a franchise, but was proven to be too weak to be the boss and do the right thing with his players.

      Cora: first ever full-time manager from Puerto Rico, who goes on to win the World Series, shrouds a starving fan base and a proud one with TWO World Series that will forever be seen as fraudulent due to his inability to exercise control and be a just leader

      Beltran: one of the greatest Puerto Rican baseball players of all time, a hero for an entire generation of players all over the world and a living legend as a player and a manager whom everyone looked up to, abused his position to work with Cora to cheat his way to get that first World Series ring before retirement.

      All four reputations ruined.

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      • Surly

        1 year ago

        In a sport where this is obviously commonplace and has been for a very long time… the reputations that are ruined imo are the players (who cheated and weren’t punished) and the commissioner for not implementing measures to make illegal sign stealing difficult. Since the commissioner is appointed by the owners, ownerships reputation is completely destroyed.

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        • PSUMetsFan

          1 year ago

          Agreed. Nobody is really talking about this yet, but what happens some day if/when Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Correa, and McCann get looked at for the Hall of Fame? Given the media’s reaction now, and the fans, I don’t think people are likely to forget this no matter what they do.

          It’s an interesting reverse effect for Beltran, or maybe also for a guy like Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. Played fair and clean for most of their careers (probably) then did stuff towards the end that ruined their reputation forever. Hall voters and (most) fans haven’t forgiven or forgotten about Bonds and Clemens, and I could see Beltran getting the same look.

          Another thought on this is the hypocrisy from the Astros pitchers, particularly Mr. High and Mighty Justin Verlander. I’d love for him to look Yu Darvish in the face and say the same stuff he’s repeatedly complained about about what’s “fair” and what isn’t.

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        • Moneyballer

          1 year ago

          It’s fair to question whether Beltran played the game fair for his career. He certainly seemed to have a passion for breaking the rules and that interview Cora had where he singled out Beltran very suspiciously said a lot. He practically accused the Yankees of cheating at the direction of Beltran! Corrupt Carlos!

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      • Scrap1ron

        1 year ago

        Moral of the story. Choose your heroes wisely.

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  89. TJECK109

    1 year ago

    Now that the 3 major players are gone what about the rest of the coaching staff? We going to assume the hitting coach or base coaches didn’t know what was going on or didn’t have a responsibility to report it?

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  90. em650r

    1 year ago

    When is the whole Astros team going to get suspended or fined

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Never. Players will go on as if nothing happened and when they all hit 15-20 points lower next season, we can all laugh at them.

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      • Bill Skiles

        1 year ago

        Kershaw was robbed of his best performance in the post season.
        How do the Astros MLB fix that?

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        • TradeRumorUser

          1 year ago

          they don’t. how far do you or others want this to go? is suspensions or firings not enough? seems like people won’t be happy until the astros and red Sox are left bleeding on the side of the road.

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        • eph289

          1 year ago

          Bill Skiles – Which Kershaw performance are you talking about?

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          No. Suspensions and fines would do,

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    • whynot

      1 year ago

      That’s an easy one… Never!!

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  91. Thomas Bliss

    1 year ago

    Rick Renteria is looking better everyday.

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    • AaronSapoznik

      1 year ago

      Rick Renteria will look even better when he’s named the 2020 AL Manager of the Year next November.

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      • Moneyballer

        1 year ago

        Where did this come from? 28.5 games back last year guys, other managers would have been shown the door. I think it could go either way, if the sox finish under .500 he’ll be gone! Reality check white sox fans, twins are a beast that just got better!

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        • Thomas Bliss

          1 year ago

          I was joking about him not being fired for a cheating scandal or anything like that.

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  92. Joe Kerr

    1 year ago

    Congrats to Beltran on becoming the first undefeated manager!

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    • Sabermetric Acolyte

      1 year ago

      Nope!: baseball-reference.com/managers/

      Del Wilber, Jo-jo White, Bibb Falk, Andy Cohen, Bill Burwell, and Vern Benson were all 1-0. Dick Tracewski and Clyde Sukeforth were 2-0. Mel Harder was 3-0 over 2 seasons.

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      • PSUMetsFan

        1 year ago

        Mel Harder: Greatest Manager of All-Time! As a testament to how awesome baseball-reference is, I looked at the box scores of those games and found that maybe Mel really WAS a great manager!

        Win #1 was the last game of the 1961 season, with his Indians beating the Angels 8-5. Despite a young Mudcat Grant (future 20-game winner) struggling for him on the mound, walking 6 and giving up 2 HR, he stuck with him for the complete game win backed by Walt Bond, who went 4-5 with 2 HRs despite only hitting .173 all season.

        Win #2 and #3 was a doubleheader, also against the Angels on the last day of the 1962 season. Weirdly enough, Walt Bond was once again the hero, going 3-9 with 2 RBIs across both games. Bond only had a career WAR of 2.5, so I guess between sticking with Grant and getting the best out of a fringe player, Mel Harder really was a great manager!

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  93. lowtalker1

    1 year ago

    Next up
    Fire Brodie for being a bonehead

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  94. KermitJagger

    1 year ago

    Really glad the Pirates got their guy before all of this fallout too place.

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  95. MetsFan22

    1 year ago

    Manfred is a joke

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  96. scottaz

    1 year ago

    Time to launch a companion website to MLBTR. Call it MLBMR—MLB Muck Rakers. On line investigative journalism into rumors, innuendos and suspicions of cheating, ethics violations and all things related to the seamier side of baseball. All fans are invited to invent or repeat any rumors or suspicions they have about any team or individual. The burgeoning new arena of sports gambling will be a major thread, with charges of throwing a game levied against any player who seems to dog it on a given day, or any manager that makes a bone-headed or questionable move at any single game. Highly interactive for fans. Don’t really need to hire and pay for expensive, professional staff, when fans have such prolific minds.

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  97. number1dodger

    1 year ago

    I say the Astros should be banned from postseason play for 2020 and 2021. Send a message to the rest of baseball. You cheat and you will pay the price.

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    • PSUMetsFan

      1 year ago

      I think postseason banning would be going a bit too far. It would create a situation where the Astros would have no reason to remain competitive, and therefore make the rest of the AL West better, thereby making it harder for teams in the other two divisions to make the Wild Card. A better solution would be a de facto “ban” where you suspend any and all 17-18 Astros around the league for 1 season, therefore making the Astros terrible for at least one year and also giving their young players a chance to shine. (On that note, I think they should try to waive the minor league options for those players so that they aren’t put in a tough spot when Bregman, Altuve, etc come back)

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      • Killjoy391

        1 year ago

        Maybe you shouldn’t cheat then, you don’t have to worry about crippling punishments. Too bad Manfred is weak and slapped them on the wrist instead.

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        • PSUMetsFan

          1 year ago

          larrybrownsports.com/baseball/new-allegations-astr…

          I wonder what the truth is in this then? Maybe the players will get more than a slap on the wrist this time.

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        • Sabermetric Acolyte

          1 year ago

          Interestingly enough the article you chose makes a point of mentioning they’re not certain about the source. considering the woman says she’s Beltran’s niece and is not actually Beltran’s niece.

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        • JonnyMLB

          1 year ago

          That pic of Josh Reddick is pretty damning evidence of more than trash can banging going on

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      • PSUMetsFan

        1 year ago

        Sure, but it just broke. There’s a bunch of other outlets reporting it as well, so I’m sure in the coming days/weeks it’ll either be confirmed or denied. Either way, it’s more trouble brewing for the Astros and it’s a shame for baseball.

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    • Sabermetric Acolyte

      1 year ago

      And where would you have it stop?

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    • jdolan74jdolan74

      1 year ago

      Should the Red Sox and Yankees also be banned? I like where this is going.

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      • Mo4ever

        1 year ago

        Yankees were not fined for sign stealing. The Commissioner’s office investigated and found the Red Sox’s claim to have “no merit” based on “insufficient evidence.” They were fined for having a phone (no use of camera). Get it straight.

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  98. bigbadjohnny

    1 year ago

    Baseball World is in a mess !

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  99. Surly

    1 year ago

    Make Baseball Great Again!

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  100. DarrenDreifortsContract

    1 year ago

    My sources tell me Bobby Valentine will be brought back as the manager!

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  101. Charles Russell

    1 year ago

    Beltran’s niece said on Twitter today that Astros players put a a device under their uniform at the shoulder that would buzz from the hallway video guy. She says she has pictures from the locker room but didn’t show them.

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    • ctguy

      1 year ago

      If she actually has pictures that prove this then she should give them to the commissioner’s office.

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      • Charles Russell

        1 year ago

        Agree. It’s extremely irresponsible to say this and not show the public photos you’ve allegedly got, or say you’ve sent them to MLB.

        If she knows, other outside the game know. Wonder if anyone else will step forward.

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        • JonnyMLB

          1 year ago

          Scroll up a bit, PSUMetsFan has a link with picture of Josh Reddick and a wire taped on his shoulder

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  102. lysander

    1 year ago

    Bang the Drums, er…trash cans…Slowly

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  103. Unclenolanrules

    1 year ago

    Wow it looks like Mets fans got some good news.

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  104. rule-5-draft-dodger

    1 year ago

    Hensley! Hensley! Hensley! ……. Buck Showalter?

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  105. richt

    1 year ago

    Just call him Wally Backman

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  106. Bill Smith

    1 year ago

    No-brainer..it was just a matter of time for Beltran. When all of the details finally spill out, it is going to be delicious.

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  107. JKB7394

    1 year ago

    The Wilpons should have gone with Girardi like EVERY SINGLE METS FAN wanted to begin with!!! SMH

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    • TradeRumorUser

      1 year ago

      GTF over it! that ship has sailed

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  108. shortytallz

    1 year ago

    So, he kept his bat on his shoulder. Again.

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  109. Bill Skiles

    1 year ago

    You ain’t smiling now are you, you….cheater.

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    • 22Leo

      1 year ago

      You tell ‘im!

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  110. MarlinsFanBase

    1 year ago

    I know that it is illegal to have a monopoly, but I think I’m okay with the Mets having a monopoly on their former players being hired and fired as managers before they even manage the team.

    Wally Backman: 0-0 managerial record with the D-Backs

    Carlos Beltran: 0-0 managerial record with the Mets

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  111. MarlinsFanBase

    1 year ago

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

    Every Marlins, Braves, Phillies and Nats fan can always rejoice in knowing that, no matter how bad any of our teams are at any given moment, we can always count on the Mets to be the laughing stock of the division by their constant display of how they are the most incompetently run team in the division. They’re lucky they are in NY and can outspend most teams. If it wasn’t for that, they would have many more 100-loss seasons, and a few more where they challenged to overtake their 1962 record.

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    • bad burce

      1 year ago

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

      Everyone on this site can always rejoice in knowing that, no matter what the article is about, we can always count on you belittling the Mets despite being a fan of the worst team of the decade.

      Speaking of spend, since 2010 the Mets have an average year spend of $124,162,104. League average spend is $117,796,980.

      So are you trying to say that the $7mil extra the Mets spent is the difference of them going from 86-76 (last seasons record) to 62-100? There’s being a hater and being ignorant my guy.

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        1 year ago

        Yes, I root for the worst NL East team of the decade while you root for the team with the longest championship drought among the NL East teams.

        Uh, interesting you go with the average for the Mets during a chosen period, but go with their 1-year win total for your argument. That 86-76 record was done with a payroll that was 8th in 2019 at $161,865,003 and 6th in CBT Payroll at $196,115,003. The average payroll for MLB was $127,151,002 and the average CBT Payroll was $149,216,739. So the differences were over $34 million for payroll and almost $47 million for CBT Payroll above the average. So, would taking away $34 million ($47 million in CBT) turn an 86-76 team into a 62-100 team? Yes, without a doubt it can unless you are talking about a savvy front office, which the Mets haven’t had since the 1980s.

        Yeah, definitely a difference in being a hater and being the ignorant guy the same way it is different being the guy that presents correct facts and figures is different from the guy that alters the information to suit is deceitful agenda.

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        • bad burce

          1 year ago

          Ok let’s talk about last year. On payroll the Mets were still paying for Cespedes and Wright for a total of $44mil. So if you want to account for injuries and retirements I can readjust my numbers.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          Oh yeah, and the Mets averaged 79-83 record for the period you cited for the payroll.

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        • bad burce

          1 year ago

          Interesting – very far off from 100 loss seasons.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          So you still want to continue with this after your “facts” were shown to be distorted?

          Or do you want to really say that taking $34 million in payroll from an 86-76 team won’t make them a losing team, that very likely goes well past 90 losses?

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        • bad burce

          1 year ago

          Please see my reply above. It has already been answered.

          Good luck to the Marlins this year, guy.

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          Okay, I see it now.

          You’re stuck with those contracts no matter what.

          You know what that $34 million would’ve changed? Your ability to extend deGrom. You would’ve had to trade him. You wouldn’t have been able to trade for Stroman. And there would be other changes needed because you can’t just move off the bad contracts because teams are stuck with bad contracts unless trading for another bad contract.

          Take just deGrom off of the Mets and how many wins does that take away just with him? And then, you can’t even trade for Stroman. The Mets wouldn’t even sniff 86-76 with just these two changes.

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      • PSUMetsFan

        1 year ago

        None of us are arguing with you that the Mets have been mediocre over the last few years, which is why we’ve changed managers, changed general managers, and are in the midst of changing owners. That’s what teams do when they get stuck in a rut and need to get better. What are you trying to get us to say? That we stink in picking the right people to win championships? Yes, yes we do, which is why we haven’t won one in over 30 years. We acknowledge this, no Met fan is denying it.

        We’re always optimistic because we care about our team, and we’re always critical on our players and coaches because we strive for excellence. We shower praise when it’s due and shower boos when they’re due. We get a lot of press and attention because we’re the biggest media market in the world. At least we spend more money than half the teams in the league do to try to win. We as fans expect them to spend more and to try harder, but that’s because we expect excellence and expect effort. We’re the Mets.

        You guys have bottom 5 payroll and bottom 5 attendance year after year despite your minor league system and scouting staff developing some of the best MLB talent of this generation. Your organization is so incompetent that despite playing in a state that produces more MLB talent than almost any other, and winning 2 World Series’ in the last 25 years, they have to put a tarp over most of the upper deck to cover up all of the empty seats. It’s a shame to see such a new stadium go to waste, from a revolving carousel of owners that don’t care about their fans. (I’ve been there several times, it is a beautiful ballpark that feels authentically Miami).

        You can take shots like you always do, trash talk is a great part of the game, but don’t think we won’t talk back. LFGM!

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          Okay, I completely respect this post.

          With that said, I have to say that I truly feel bad for Mets fans like you that are diehards like those of us that are diehard Marlins fans and other diehards from the other fan bases. I feel bad that you guys have the Wilpons. I feel bad that you guys have to deal with the blowhard, homer beat writers. I feel bad that garbage networks like E!SPN and FOX Sports put the spotlight on you guys all the time, even when you guys don’t want it. And I feel bad about how your team has been run ever since Frank Cashen stepped down many many many many years ago.

          But it’s baseball. We gotta love it…even when it breaks our hearts.

          You say “Let’s go Mets” and I say “Go Marlins”. Let’s see how 2020 turns out.

          Oh, and you heard it first. The Marlins may in all likelihood finish in last again this year, but this is a year that I’m not 100% sold on that. We’re a lot tougher going in this year, with many young players going to make their debut at different parts of this season.

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      • PSUMetsFan

        1 year ago

        Well said. All of this really, really makes me feel bad for the Astros fans. I can’t even imagine how this must feel, especially if you’re an older fan who’s been rooting for them since they were the Colt .45s and had Joe Morgan zooming around the bases. Now you finally see them win, and then this happens. Maybe the only ones who can really sympathize with them are fans of the 1919 White Sox… I wonder if any of them lived to see them win again finally in 2005?

        (P.S. Ozzie is a hilarious dude and was so much fun to watch as manager for the stuff he said. Love him or hate him, truly one of the great “characters” in the game)

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          I feel sorry for them too, but there are a lot of chuckles to be had at the same time.

          I don’t know if you saw it already, but you should check out Chris ‘Mad Dog’ Russo’s rant about what the Astros. A tear comes to my eye every time I view it.

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    • portopotti

      1 year ago

      Right….coming from a fan of the Marlins with that ridiculous, tax payer funded, consistently empty stadium in Little,Havana, A previous corrupt owner in Jeff Loria and now an ownership group that apparently wasn’t able to actually afford the team.

      Keep spewing the same narrative and try to band with “every” Braves, Philly and Nats fan…

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      • MarlinsFanBase

        1 year ago

        Wow, a fan of the Mets knocking the Marlins ownership groups. Now that’s priceless.

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        • portopotti

          1 year ago

          Yep, knocking the ownership group. Just like I do the Mets. Enjoy last place again.

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  112. TradeRumorUser

    1 year ago

    man the bitterness between dodger and Yankee fans is real! so many swear up and down that they would of won those years. they ran in to a buzzsaw of a team regardless of the scandal.they were just better why can’t they just understand that. not to mention they want mvp award taken away like altuve wasn’t the better player in the al that year and some post season restrictions what will it take for you all to be satisfied. btw where is the investigation into the accusations about the Yankees?

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    • GothamNeedsMe

      1 year ago

      Agreed. Lame and angry excuse for why they got beat. Have to blame something I guess.

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      • SaberSmuckers

        1 year ago

        Right, because knowing what pitch is coming definitely did not give the Astros any advantage whatsoever. I know most players prefer to not know what pitch is coming.

        You are brilliant. Almost as smart as the fella you responded to that forgot the start of a sentence should be capitalized, not to mention their amazing grasp of the language.

        Boy, the amazing life you two haters must lead.

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        • TradeRumorUser

          1 year ago

          Lol no hate what so ever just seems like disliking cheating is one thing but anything extra from what I seen is crying because they think they took their “chances” away but thank you for the kind words much appreciated.

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          If stealing signs wasn’t a huge benefit then the Stros would not have gone to such lengths for so long to use it. The Astros’ success was fraudulent. Can’t shake that off.

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        • wordonthestreet

          1 year ago

          Wrong. You said the Yankees and Dodger “ran into a buzzsaw” despite the scandal.

          Your comment shows your ignorance and SaberSmuckers called you out on it and rightfully so.

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        • TradeRumorUser

          1 year ago

          @wordonthestreet Astros was just the better team period. They would of beat them with out sign stealing. Sorry that was too hard for you to follow, that’s something else with you entirely. Nice try though

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    • Mo4ever

      1 year ago

      If sign stealing is not effective, why did the Astros go to such lengths and break the rules…for years? Your argument makes no sense.

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  113. luckyrabbit

    1 year ago

    Looks like the Mets did the right thing…for a change!

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    • MarlinsFanBase

      1 year ago

      After they did the wrong thing in the first place? Okay.

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      • Far Beyond Driven

        1 year ago

        What exactly did they do wrong?

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        • MarlinsFanBase

          1 year ago

          They either failed to do their due diligence or they did, and still hired him thinking that it wouldn’t be a problem. Either way, they made the wrong decision in hiring him.

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        • whyhayzee

          1 year ago

          yankees hired him first.

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        • Mo4ever

          1 year ago

          And that’s relevant how? Only in your twisted universe… Can you go two hours without trying to trash the Yankees? Does your childish obsession know no bounds?

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        • stevecohenMVP

          1 year ago

          yankees cheated too

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  114. jdolan74jdolan74

    1 year ago

    Now we know why the Yankees offense was so good last year despite so many injuries. Will Aaron Boone be the next one to be fired?

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    • SaberSmuckers

      1 year ago

      Alternatively, will the nonsensical Yankee haters ever give it a rest?

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    • Mo4ever

      1 year ago

      Yankees have not been found or fined to have stolen signs…ever. Based on a spurious Red Sox complaint (intended to deflect from the fact that the Sox WERE caught and fined for stealing signs), the NYY were investigated in 2017. The Commisoner’s office found the claim to have “no merit” based on “insufficient evidence.” There was no camera used. They were fined a small amount for having a phone. Get it straight, will ya? You’ve had two and a half years…

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      • politicsNbaseball

        1 year ago

        Agreed, I’m not a Yankee fan but I’m tired of this

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