The Mookie Betts trade is in the books, but now that Joc Pederson is no longer headed to the Angels, the Dodgers will have to sort out their 40-man roster, tweets Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register. The Dodgers have 42 players on their 40-man roster at present. Finding a new trade partner for Pederson and/or Ross Stripling might be the most obvious answer, but the Dodgers may prefer not to rush a transaction of that magnitude. Speculatively speaking, Tyler White could find himself on the chopping block, with Kyle Garlick, Zach McKinstry and Edwin Rios other non-established big leaguers whom the Dodgers may need to consider moving or exposing to waivers. While we wait for the final confirmation of this deal to go through, let’s check in elsewhere around the National League…
- Theo Epstein saw the writing was on the wall long before the Cubs’ current financial strictures so severely limited their transactional flexibility, per Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun Times. Epstein references a pattern – the Cubs, Astros, Red Sox – of teams reckoning with their young stars graduating into the arbitration process. After years of supporting homegrown cores with free agent additions in efforts to win a World Series, the Red Sox, Astros and Cubs, for differing reasons, have entered new phases. Sure enough, the Astros had to let Gerrit Cole walk in free agency, the Red Sox just shipped Mookie Betts to the Dodgers, and the Cubs are said to have been shopping Kris Bryant for most of the winter. Of course, the Cubs haven’t yet moved their young stars, but their value has declined. Epstein and company are stuck choosing between trading the stars from the cursebreaking Cubs at lower than peak value and watching them depreciate into a mediocre ballclub. Of course, there’s always the possibility of a bounceback for this Cubs core, but even a return to prominence in the NL Central would not provide the answers Epstein needs when it comes to the futures of Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Javier Baez, Willson Contreras, Kyle Schwarber and company.
- The Giants have extended a non-roster spring training invitation to catcher Ricardo Genoves, per Kerry Crowley of the Bay Area News Group. Given the timing, it’s safe to assume Genoves inclusion in the spring cohort comes as a result of the injury that will keep Aramis Garcia out for most of next season. That said, his inclusion is more about gaining a learning experience, and he’s not actually in the running for the Giants’ backup catching spot, per The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly. Still, it seems a good opportunity for the 20-year-old Venezuelan backstop, and perhaps one that will put him on the radar of league officials league-wide. He was signed by the Giants at the open of the international signing period in 2015, but he tapped into real power at the dish for the first time this past season. Genoves managed a .265/.335/.469 line with 9 home runs in 51 games with Salem-Keizer of the Northwest League and Augusta in Low-A.
With the win-then-tank mentality that has taken over many contenders, it speaks that much more volume to a FO like LAD who can remain WS contenders for the better part of a decade
I think White should get designated as he had multiple chances to reform himself. Also, the Dodgers should keep Garlick and Rios for a possible trade because they’re not gonna find any playing time with all the good players on that roster.
I see Rios as a DH. Surprised he is still here. Fantastic hitter.
Keep Joc. Dodgers lineup vs RHP. Platoon Joc with CT3 at LF. Trade Pollock.
1 Betts RF; 2 Muncy 1B; 3 Turner 3B; 4 Bellinger CF; 5 Joc LF; 6 Seager SS; 7 Smith C; 8 Lux 2B.
If Lux struggles you bring in CT3 to 2B, and move Kike to platoon in LF.
No ones taking that Pollock contract and even if someone did we’d be eating most of it. I say you start him and see how he does. Hes still a solid player if he could ever stay healthy and i dont think platooning is a great idea as it doesnt really work in the playoffs.
No one would trade for David Price
No one would trade for Matt Kemp, 3 times
No one would trade for Vernon Wells
All of those players made 20-30M a year and were dealt. 14M a year is hardly untradeable. You’re just ignoring history if you claim it
No one’s taking the Pollack contract.
Not because he isn’t good. It’s because he can’t stay healthy.
You mentioned Price, Kemp, Wells (healthy and somewhat productive) examples.
You seem to have forgotten nobody taking the Jacoby elsbury contract off the Yankees hands (injury prone), nobody took the Pablo Sandoval contract off the red Sox hands (injury and didn’t perform). Nobody took the Tulo contract off the blue Jays hands (injured). Nobody took the Wei Yen Chen contract off the Marlins hands (injury). Nobody’s taking Yoenis Cespedes (injury).
History says teams aren’t gonna trade for guys who can’t stay healthy, no matter how much money you put down. They’ll just wait to sign them after they clear waivers so your teams still paying for them.
Joc performed well last post season. Speaking of bad postseasons Pollock was as awful as you can be. I’m not just talking about 1 for 14 with 11 strikeouts but he didn’t come close to hitting the ball in most at bats.
Oh yeah 14 at bats against some of the best right handed pitching in baseball means he’s screwed for the future. I see
Just stop
He was equally as bad against lefties. I know I know he faced the best lefties ever. There is always an excuse. Yeah small sample size but I haven’t seen a player look that overmatched in a long time. Beaty had much better at bats and should have played over Pollock.
Pollock will be fine.
Pollock has a top 10 worst contact of all time.
Not even close.
No ones taking that Pollock contract and even if someone did we’d be eating most of it. I say you start him and see how he does. Hes still a solid player if he could ever stay healthy and i dont think platooning is a great idea as it doesnt really work in the playoffs.
Of course you’d have to eat a decent chunk of that contract and offer a lower tier prospect. Pollock can be a serviceable platoon guy but he’s on the wrong side of the platoon. Kike and CT3 can easily replicate him in a platoon at a cheaper rate while giving you more flexibility.
Finding a team to take on Pollock isn’t easy. Would have to eat a ton of cash
Except no one wants Pollock at this point
Pollock is gonna have a huge year!
Pollock has only had an OPS above 0.850 in one and a half seasons, and that was 2014 and 2015. He’s going to give you very average production for more than average dollars. Love our FO but this was a miss. Sooner they correct it the better. Joc has OPS against RHP of 0.920 and 0.893 last 2 seasons.
Pollock was 850-920 in The 3 months following his 2019 return. The haters on pollock are pretty irrational
Imagine him being bad with a staph infection! What a shock!
Right. It’s too bad that the season is not 3 months. Irrational? Because we evaluate players over the season and not three months? I’m not talking about just last year. And you also know that he played in a home friendly ballpark in Arizona right? He hasn’t produced what he gets paid over a full season in 4 years plus.
Do believe he said 2014-2015…. but ignore what you may-
Pollock was indeed a miss and I dont think they ship out prospects to get him away-
He will be our black eye on the ledger the next 2 seasons
I would say the rope given too Pollock (mostly from skills that are all but gone today speed/defence/baserunning/ is far greater than the hate he gets –
15 mill a year corner Of’ers dont get platooned , they dont sit the bench game 5 of the NLDS
Because the 2015 version of a player is more relevant than the 2019 player. Gtfo with that bs
I can read thanks, it’s just a Stupid point to point to and ignore his 2019. Because you know, all players are the same as they were in 2015!
You make a lot of sense. Pollock’s defense did decline. He was a negative dWAR for first time in his career. He won’t sniff CF anymore which means his oWAR will now decline because he will now be compared to other corner OFs.
You’re probably right that they will just hold on to him and hope that his value somehow increases.
He will answer the question himself (AJ) in 2 years when essentially he can opt in for 2 yrs/23 mill or take a free 5 mill and see if he can out-earn the 2/18 difference… My monies on him trying to stick around painfully
Perhaps a more lucrative buyout than the 5 mill can be arranged…. I just cant imagine going past 2 more years of Aj Pollock in the corner OF for us-
“Pollock is gonna have a huge year!”
I got five bucks he hits the DL three or more times.
DFA Tyler white and Zac Mckinistry. If we’re gonna make another trade I hope it’s for another TOR starter like Thor or Clevinger. That’s really the last piece we need.
White as a DFA is a no brainer. Second DFA is more complicated. Several ways to get there. I’d rather keep McKinstry.
They aren’t DFA McKinistry. No chance.
Upon further review Sborz should be DFA’d. The dodgers are a better team with Chicken strip and Joc on the team but if they decide staying under luxury tax is a must then I wouldn’t be too upset to see them get traded.
use Pederson to get some pen help
I wonder if both Pederson and Stripling go together in a deal soon
Just call the Cardinals but they won’t help a bitter rival. That’s why Pederson worked to the AL.
Bitter rival= haven’t played relevant game against each other in 5 years?
Gotta love how dumb fans are
619bird what really do the Cardinals have yo offer the Dodgers for Pederson and Stripling? Don’t need any outfielders! Some pitchers would be nice but Cards would want more then just Joc and Ross!
Cards can offer more than they were gonna get from the Angels.
Cardinals could use Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling- for more of a return dodgers could ship out Jacob Amaya or Omar Estevez, or both.
Dodgers could use Junior Fernandez and Genesis Cabrera for the pen, hard throwing pen pieces.
Cards could offer a package of say jake wofford, edmundo sosa (a utility guy similar but not as good as the Angel’s prospect), seth elledge, and ehlerius Montero(a third baseman). They have the prospects to make it work. And with the Dodgers needing to drop a couple from the 40 too they could get very creative.
Joc Pederson, Ross Stripling and Tyler White, to CWS for Alex Colome , player tba
I wish the Rockies would step up and sub in Garrett Hampson for Rengifo and take all 3. But that would involve having a front office that likes to do something other than stick their feet in their mouths.
So they can finish fourth in the west with cool players like Stripling and Pederson instead?
It’s much better than doing nothing and not trying.
Where’s that BlueSkyLA guy? Quick to pipe up with criticisms, but awfully quiet when there’s nothing to complain about.
He’ll be back to complain once the Dodgers DFA 2 of their players for Graterol and Betts. He’ll tell you how good the two players who were just DFA’d are and then give you a lesson on Economics!
I eagerly wait in anticipation!
People need to stop saying that this or that rebuilding team should trade for Joc Pederson in order to “flip him at the deadline.”
1. At the deadline he will have 2 months of control as opposed to a full season, meaning he’ll have lost 2/3 of his trade value.
2. The acquiring team won’t be able to QO him and their trade offers will reflect that.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Yeah not like teams overpay mid season!
Oh wait
We see teams sign free agents to flip them at the deadline every year. If the price for Joc is low, and especially if a team wants to try for a WC and decide in July, he’s a great buy
1. The difference is that Joc is mostly a known commodity at this point. The only way his trade value will be higher at the deadline is if he magically learns how to hit lefties.
2. If you want to try for a Wild Card then sure, acquiring him makes some sense because he will help you in that endeavor. But I’ve seen people suggest rebuilding teams like the Red Sox and Pirates trade for him. That does not make sense at all.
Signing a FA to a short contract doesn’t cost prospects. That’s why teams sign them to flip. Keep looking for trade and flip examples.
@stymeedone they exist, but they are usually players coming off down seasons. In order for that to work, the player must improve enough to offset losing 2/3 of his remaining club control and the ability to QO him. Like I said, the only way Joc Pederson will do that is if he magically learns how to hit lefties. So probably not a good player to try that strategy on.
Dodgers are practically giving Joc away, along with Stripling and a prospect.
Rebuilding teams should
a. Take Stripling who’s got 3 years of control (Orioles Marlins Tigers etc could all use a veteran presence in the rotation, Orioles NEED pitching)
b. If they’re offering Pederson too why not. Take him and hope to flip him.
c. Get a prospect from the dodgers as well. They were offering what an OF to the angels?
Who knows what the market will be like come july. Who knows what OF injuries will take place between now and then. Is it a gamble? Sure but it’s a gamble you’re taking thats secondary to acquiring Stripling and a lower prospect for next to nothing.
The cubs should jump in. Bryant to LA for Stripling, Gray, and 2 other prospects from LA’s 10-20 range. LA keeps pushing their chips in and getting studs, the cubs grab great value for 2 years of their homegrown star
The cubs should jump in. Bryant to LA for Stripling, Gray, and 2 other prospects from LA’s 10-20 range. LA keeps pushing their chips in and getting studs, the cubs grab great value for 2 years of their homegrown star
Which LA team spiked the deal?
Seems like both teams need to make that trade more than ever.
That Genoves guy should put at least 20 pounds of muscle if he wants to make it to the bigs.
LA with Friedman is churning the roster but keeping the farm from being barren.
Cubs & Red Sox so far the FOs have not done that quite so well.
Yup, which is why Betts is now a Dodger. But so much of that relates to having lower draft picks, and losing picks by signing a QO.
The LAD are doing exactly what the SDP are doing, but without the benefit of being a bad team.
Friedman is on a monster roll right now.
Well, don’t forget Kapler would have been the Dodgers manager if Kasten had not stepped in and forced him to hire Roberts instead. He has also shown total incompetence in being able evaluate talent in the bullpen or even recognize the importance of relief pitching in general. The one thing he has done well is simply not throw away the farm which was built up before he got there anyway.
I probably should have mentioned that I was referring to Friedman.
Dodgers are regular season champs!! That’s it
Says the guy whose team has won one title in over a hundred years. Meanwhile the Dodgers have won six. The fact that the Cubs have won one more recently is just happenstance. My money is on the Cubs never catching the Dodgers in # of titles won.
The Dodgers had Bud Seligs heavy foot on their neck his whole tenure. He ran on holding the large market teams down. Of course Yankee fans went after Bud so the Yankees still won. But Bud went after the Dodgers. He didn’t even try to hide it. Putting in a parking lot owner for the Dodgers and making him agree to not go over 90 million in payroll. The Giants owe Bud a lot. But now that Bud lost control and retired the Dodgers are back
Pederson & Lux to the brewers for Hadar 😛
that will not happen.
Every cub fan who read that tidbit or the article in full immediately disregarded every word of it to continue living in their Bryant is happy fantasy land and that he’s still worth the Braves 3 best prospects.
You know for once in my life I agree with Andrew Filiponi (or however you spell it) where he said, “if the Pirates aren’t rebuilding just building around what we have why not go out and get Stripling and Joc we need a CF and his bat would be nice in PNC Park
It would be wise for the Dodgers to now trade some of the likes of Joc or Stripling or maybe Pollock. They need to get under the luxury tax this year, especially if they are going to try and resign Betts. Which would definitely put them above the tax.
Pollock. He is injury prone
TWin 106 games and choke in first round ?
Cubs are still the team to beat in NL Central……..even though they lost a few guys who really did not help this team…….
Brewers in decline…..
Cardinals added no one…..
Reds did improve, but not at playoff level…..
and the Pirates ship is at the bottom of the sea.
Still? Cardinals didn’t add anyone, but did the Cubs? So why would the Cubs be the team to beat over the Cards, who won the division last season?
The Reds built up a pretty darn good team, and I think 9 out of 10 people would say they have more potential than the Cubs. Frankly, I think they see a window with the Brewers and Cubs in decline and decided to act.
The Cubs are looking at a 3rd place finish again…
Nobody sees the cvbs as the team to beat in the NL Central. cvbs fans still living in 2016, which is bad news for Theo and the Ricketts.
Awwwww….boo f’n hoo to the top 5 market size teams. If Theo really wanted to find out what kind of GM he is, he would spend 8-10 years in one of the bottom 5 markets.
Ended the two biggest droughts in MLB history. That is impressive regardless of the “market.” I’m not even a fan of either franchise.
Keep them. They are good players. We love the depth. Both players are good contributors. Stripling filled in nicely last year and Joc had 36 homers.
Big Questions for the 2020 Cubs…..
1 – Can David Ross manage ?……..or will players take advantage of him !….goof all and create new dance moves in the dugout……
2 – Will Darvish, Hendricks & Quintana combine to have a great season together ?…….we are looking at somewhere between 35 to 55 wins out of these guys !
3 – Does Lester have anything left to give ?…..or will he enjoy his last season ……
4 – Will we finally see Schwarber become the “Babe Ruth” people said he was ?
5 – Bullpen…….will they come through or blow two dozen games ?…Wick, Ryan, Wieck all showed promise…….Kimbrel is the key !……..if they are on their game, they Cubs are going far…..
6 – Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Contreras, Schwarber ……can these guys become fear hitters of the NL ?
7 – Leadoff man…….Cubs still lack one……..is Hoerner the guy ?……..we tried everyone else so far………Rizzo was the best to get on base……..but the slowest.
8 – Mid-season changes……..will Theo add or subtract ?……if we subtract, we are adding Prospects for 2022 and beyond…….
9 – how good is the rest of the NL Central ?………Pirates are out until 2028……Reds think they have it……Cardinals like to say they have it……..Brewers are trying to pretend they still have it…………….no matter what, the NL Central will not have a Wild Card team……..it is Winner takes all in NL Central.
10 – Jason Heyward………….four seasons of sub par hitting………boo birds will come out early and Ross will bench this guy by May if Jason is not hitting………..if Heyward gets red hot this year, I suggest Theo offer him up in a trade with Bryant if we get to that point !
1. David Ross won’t be as active a game manager as Maddon is (which most cvbs fans will love). He’ll be a non-factor until his confidence grows by late season.
2. Biggest issues with Darvish are his confidence and health. If he maintains both, he’ll be their ace. Hendricks is a rock-consistently unhittable for most of the season, as long as Ross doesn’t overwork him. Hendricks usually struggles the 3rd time thru opposing lineups (6th inning). Q is an innings eater at this point, with an occasional solid performance.
3. Nope. Lester’s done.
4. Schwarber is no Ruth, but he’ll hit 30HRs, so at least he’s consistent.
5. The cvbs bullpen will be a dumpster fire. No one in there can reliably get three outs to close out a game. Chattwalk was useful in a long relief roll, but it looks like they’re counting on him to start (yuck).
6. As long as none of those guys are leading off, they’ll continue to be productive. There’s the rub…
7. See 6.
8. Uh, what is this “change” you speak of? Theo is committed to this current roster (to his detriment). The cvbs needed bold moves the last two years to stay on top. He failed to make the necessary adjustments, so it’s too late for that.
9. 1. Reds
2. Cardinals
3. Brewers
10. That front office is way too conservative to eat most of Heyward’s contract in order to trade him. Ain’t happening.