It’s all but a foregone conclusion that fans won’t be in the seats if and when Major League Baseball holds its 2020 Opening Day. But most agree that some baseball — so long as it can be staged safely and responsibly in the midst of a global pandemic — is better than none.
There were several signs of promise today surrounding the outlook for a 2020 campaign of some kind. That’s not to say there’s a clear plan in place. Far from it, in fact. But it seems avenues are opening.
ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan discussed the situation at length, reporting that “nearly everyone along the decision-making continuum … has grown increasingly optimistic” of staging a season of some kind. That seems like a reasonably important broad-based sentiment, though we’re still quite a few steps away from hope converting into real, live ballgames.
Passan covers a lot of subjects in the piece, which is well worth a read. Just don’t expect any new direction in terms of how it’s all supposed to come together. That hasn’t been narrowed down in the least.
To some extent, the increased options that justify the optimism also make it hard to know what the 2020 season will look like. State and local officials will ultimately have final word on just what is possible. There’s some good news on that front also.
New York governor Andrew Cuomo indicated today that he sees a path to baseball being played in New York City this summer, as the Associated Press reports (via WTOP News). Of course, at the moment there’s no expectation that spectators would be on hand, but seeing games in Queens and the Bronx would nevertheless be an inspiring sight given the brutal toll of the coronavirus in the country’s biggest city.
It’s much the same situation in Chicago, home of another pair of MLB franchises, as Vinnie Duber of NBC Sports Chicago writes. Mayor Lori Lightfoot says that the city has contemplated the return of professional sports. While it’s nowhere near happening, she sounded a generally hopeful tone: “But can I envision a world where baseball might return to Chicago this summer? Yes. Is it likely to be without fans? Probably.”
Even if the logistics are lined up, there’s still the matter of getting the league and players on the same page. The sides drew up and signed a formal agreement, but immediately came to disagree on what it means for player salaries if games are staged without fans. The union says the late-March agreement establishes that players must be paid on a full pro rata basis for any games, regardless whether anybody paid to sit in the stands.
Passan provides some specific language that bears upon the assessment of that subject. Unfortunately, the clauses cited seemingly confirm that there’s some ambiguity in the contract on this point. As we explored recently, it’s bizarre to see a new and unnecessary layer of complication added through this oddly framed document, the interpretation of which could now become a major issue bearing upon the ability to resume play and labor relations more generally.
cygnus2112
That’s about the best news I’ve heard all day….
ChangedName
Maybe I’m in the tiny minority but baseball without fans and without being able to go to games isn’t really baseball for me. I will wait until 2021.
twoseamer
You like doing the wave, don’t you?
nyy42
with his middle finger
adamontheshore
I would have no problem with regular-season games being held without fans but I cannot imagine having the World Series without fans. I would, of course, watch and be excited, so long as the Yanks were playing of course ;), but it would just be bizarre without fans. How exciting would it be to see the winning team, likely the Yanks, celebrate on the field in relative silence?
vincent k. mcmahon
It would be weird. Just like WrestleMania was weird without fans.
powderb
WrestleMania is always weird
holycowdude
HOW DARE YOU compare baseball to Wrestlemania!!! 🙂
nyy42
Wrestle mania? Lol
MWeller77
Seriously. Wrestling has much more integrity right now
jonnyzuck
As a Yankees fan, it would be very exciting to see that. I love going to games and my greatest baseball memories have been when I was there in person but I watch the vast majority of my games on TV and I’m sure that’s true for most fans so to me it makes no sense to cancel the season unless they can play in front of fans if it’s possible to play in empty stadia. If you really feel strongly about it you can ignore games played without fans and the rest of us can enjoy them
adamontheshore
I did not say that I am against it and I did say that I would still watch the games; I was simply saying that watching World Series games without fans would be bizarre and probably anticlimactic. Obviously, as you would have gathered from reading my post, I would watch the games and would love to see live baseball again. I was simply making an observation about how odd it would be without fans in the postseason. I mean, as a Yanks fan, imagine Hayes catching that final out in ’96 without fans or Curtis’ catch in ’99. It just will not be the same. Nowhere did I say they should not play; I simply pointed out how strange a season without the enthusiasm of fans in the stadium will likely be.
phatboi69
I sure know that although there were no fans involved, my 2018 co-ed Rec kickball championship where “The Thunderbunties” won the losers bracket and took home the action figure sized trophy was really exciting. I’m still waiting for espn to come and do a 30 for 30 on it
adamontheshore
I miss and love kickball. I haven’t played for years now, but it is serious fun. Not sure why there aren’t more leagues around. I kicked a walk-off home run in the 5th, I think, grade. It was the highpoint of my athletic career; well, that and scoring six soccer goals in the 6th grade; my career as an athlete was short-lived.
Phaedrus002
Actually, ESPN has determined that poker as a sport has low ratings. Since it is a Disney operation they are scrapping and have three options to replace poker; The options are potentially Chess, Checkers or Tididly-Winks…your choice, cast your vote
Billy Mumphreys Downfall
If there’s still no fans by the start of the playoffs it would be a complete joke and very boring. I wouldn’t even want my team to win honestly
nymetsking
you sound like a joke of a fan.
adamontheshore
You sound like a Mets fan, which is, as I am sure you are aware, a joke (sorry, but you asked for it).
VonPurpleHayes
The world as we know it will be forever changed by this pandemic. I will certainly miss regular baseball, but if we can get some kind of safe baseball certainly it’s better than nothing, right?
stevewpants
Hard to be on the side of the owners when they’re the group that doesn’t open up their ledgers. Without seeing their complete financial side of things everyone just has to take them at their word and that is a tough ask when the dollar amounts are so great.
Gocubsgo1986
This is still America and these are still privately owned companies who aren’t going to show anyone the books who isn’t a team lawyer or accountant
stevewpants
This is still America and that means that I don’t have to give billionaires the benefit of the doubt. Don’t you wonder why player contracts are so highly publicised while owner profits are locked up tight?
Phaedrus002
Ah, that’s all political because the old time owners convinced congress that they should not be subject to anti-trust laws and as such they are privately held enterprises not subject to public financial disclosure. You can take this to the proverbial bank, because every time congress threatens to remove their anti=trust exemptions they start cooperating with the congressional investigations.
Kayrall
Not really sure what that has to do with reopening baseball…
stevewpants
Goes back to the linked article on the 20th about the dispute
robluca21
Nothing some people just like to whine
SalaryCapMyth
Don’t understand why Steve is taking a hard time on this.
@Gocu Steve never said an armed force should smash anyone’s door down so we can look at any owners books. Nobody’s rites are being threatened here
@Rob Everyone complains. Some things are worth complaining over.
Revbdubs
No one’s rites are being taken away? Did not expect to have religion leak into this.
Gocubsgo1986
Players gonna need some type of sticky substance to keep them from going to their mouths for grip
nymetsking
it’s a shame that Aussie scientist couldn’t perfect that whole magnets on the fingers and face thing.
Moneyballer
Ha yeah and YASIEL PUIG just won’t be able to play with at that bat licking of his.
ekrog
Why not have fans seated in a “social distanced” manner? The scientific findings the last week demonstrate that would be very low risk. A 25% full park is better than no fans.
adamontheshore
Ya, there are just so many other problems that would follow. For example, if you have fans then you need security or at least more security. Teams would likely want to sell concessions which add more people to the equation. Also, you would need to have people working in the parking lots of most stadiums, then you would also have cleaning crews having to work after games. Making sure these people-whether they be concession workers, security, cleaning, or parking-maintain social distancing would be horribly problematic. Plus, if just one person out of all the people I mentioned above gets the virus then everything would have to get shut down. Also, imagine having to keep social distancing measures in place for fans lining up to get into and out of games. It would be a nightmare.
adamontheshore
I am not trying to be a Debbie Downer and I hope that I get to watch some live games this year, but I do think it will be bizarre and anticlimactic watching playoff games and the World Series without fans and in neutral fields; I see no way, barring a “miracle,” that fans could attend any of these games. I am doubtful that fans will be in attendance at opening day 2021, and trust me when I say that I hope my doubts are unfounded. I am truly hoping for a season but if it is unfeasible because it would put players, coaches, and personnel at risk then there are other things I can (and this is the same for all of us), and am, use to fill my days and keep myself occupied and even, at times…satisfied.
Phaedrus002
Neutral fields won’t play well with the fans, with tv only, and you know they will charge for EVERY game played, so you’re going to have to buy the MLB package which ain’t cheap either.
phantomofdb
Mlb.tv is a fraction of the cost of the comparable nfl and nba packages, and for a boatload more games. It’s really a pretty great deal
Mrsuntan
We rays fans have been doing that for years
Aj5258
“ The union says the late-March agreement establishes that players must be paid on a full pro rata basis for any games, regardless whether anybody paid to sit in the stands.”
Pretty much a non starter, I’m sure, for the owners. If the union sticks to that I wouldn’t look for many games being played. There would definitely need to be some compromise on both sides before the sound of “Play ball” echoes through the empty ballparks..
Phaedrus002
Precisely!! I’m no supporter of ownership, when parking is $25-50 in L.A. a decent seat is costing in excess of $125, a beer, hot dog and peanuts will cost you about $25. I do understand that if you are paying a guy half a billion dollars to play for a team that gets pretty pricey too. So something has to give if there is going to be any baseball this year. If they don’t have an agreement you can kiss MLB goodbye for a couple of years after all this.
BluffNuttz
I talked with a small market owner last week. He indicated there was a zero percent chance of MLB playing without fans. He said he thought it was 50/50 whether there would be any games at all. I know things are happening fast and I’ve been surprised by a lot of things this year. Personally I would attend a game tonight with no social distancing. The majority of my friends agree. My wife isn’t so sure. I choose not to live in fear. In my opinion the response to the virus has been WAY out of proportion. There is no way to ever ensure safety. I know a lot of people have suffered losses and are scared. I get it. Everyone should have the right to choose their own path.
AUTiger7222
No fans in the stands but yet I can’t get a refund for the tickets I purchased for July? Yep, that seems fair.
Moneyballer
Try in July.
mike127
Or better yet, try when a decision is made by baseball and the team that you are dealing with. I’ve been a season ticket holder for a long, long time and to this point “officially” NO games have been canceled….postponed yes, canceled no.
There will be a point we games are canceled and there will be a point where games are played with no fans—we all know that…but until all the logistics work out—just let it go.
All teams will make right to all the ticket holders—it’s just that simple. I have heard nothing from the Cubs directly on the matter, but it has been reported that all for canceled games the ticket holders will be offered: 5% additional credit if we apply to next year’s schedule or a full refund of our money.
hoya33
It’s stupid. No fans that’s like playing games and calling your own balls and strikes. Why can’t all baseball have a season of August- September-October regular season 85 games best record in NL vs best record AL play each other for the World Series. Go head to head against the NFL and let the chips fall as they may. I think most medical experts would very much assume the virus will be sleeping during those months.
Phaedrus002
Ah, a season without a crowd, particularly a short-season I don’t think will be very appealing. That coupled with the fact that it’s assumed that revenues will be down without the revenue that the parks, concessions, parking etc create (and I doubt people are going to be buying the MLB television package for a partial season) will create shortfalls for ownership. If the players can’t see that revenues will be reduced, and aren’t willing to take a little less $$$, I don’t think the fans are going to be very sympathetic to the players considering what the country is going through. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t especially like the greedy owners, but the overhead for a MLB team must be enormous. If the players don’t concede “a little” and there is now a “strike” it will take years for the fans to come back to MLB…I canceled my MLB tv package before this Covid business started and didn’t plan on renewing this year under any circumstances.
Appalachian_Outlaw
You’re also talking about a situation where, if games are to be played, players are going to be isolated from their families at neutral sites. Couple that with the safety risks and I’m not going to hold it against any player who says “No” to a reduced salary, or just “No” to this in general if they’re uncomfortable.
ekrog
Why would players need to be isolated from their families??? Everyone else going to work isn’t. Makes no sense.
sandman12
Film baseball games like Big Bang Theory and all the other junk – with canned applause. People are used to artificial enthusiasm.
Can’t believe the salary issue is being argued instead of negotiated. If revenue is projected to be down 80% this abbreviated season, then salaries have to reflect that.
skullbreathe
1). Mayor Lori Lightfoot
2). Mayor Bill de Blasio
It’s tough to choose but which one is the worst Mayor?
Moneyballer
I don’t see how they couldn’t have a season. Medical checks before every game, extensive sanitation crew before and after every game. Any sick player or crew member, forced quarantine for an extended period of time. No fans. Film crews, coaches, any family members subjected to same standards as players. Let’s get this done and play ball!
ctyank7
There are a buffet line full of proposals — even Scott Boras made one in a weekend appearance on 670 The Score in Chicago. But Boras is also potentially the biggest obstacle. He appears opposed to the players giving back any more pay — even though tickets and concessions at ballparks amount to 30% of MLB income. If the players expect full pay to play in empty parks, there won’t be a season.
The players and their most aggressive advocate, will have to decide whether 70% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Mrsuntan
Having baseball would be great but 80 game season,realigned divisions, no fans, weird playoff structure ect would just feel like a long, meaningless, just for fun extended spring training season. Would it really feel meaningful even if YOUR team won the “world series”? Baseball is a game of Numbers and stats and records. Would anything that happens this year Evan matter?
ctyank7
Winning an 80-game sprint with realigned divisions and leagues played at (empty) spring training parks would be different but still legitimate.
All 30 teams have the challenge, win as much as you can, get into the playoffs, get or stay hot, and chase down that title.
Same marching orders as always — just using a different “course.”
FattKemp
It’s not a global pandemic. It’s the flu, except the flu is deadlier. Open the f***ing country.
ctyank7
One HUGE difference. There is no Covid-19 shot to prevent or minimize the infection. We can’t protect ourselves the way we do from “traditional flu.” Going to a ballgame or the grocery should not put one’s life in jeopardy.
FattKemp
It also shouldn’t make me trying to buy a Jeep ten times more difficult. Open the f***ing country.
thejet
You’re joking right? Or maybe you’re a 6 year old trying to by a Jeep you with your tooth fairy money.
ekrog
Maybe you haven’t read the scientific studies coming out t last couple weeks. This is WAAAAAAAY overblown.
MWeller77
ctyank, you are correct of course, and I applaud your effort at correcting obvious nonsense, but tbh I think it’s futile to try to reason with random characters online who think they know more than the WHO and pretty much every infectious disease expert on the planet. This person is probably just trolling; in any case IMO it’s best to simply ignore their temper tantrums.
DTD_ATL
You mean the fraudulent WHO? If you haven’t realized yet that these ridiculous world organizations are bought and paid for, you really are at an extreme level of naivety.
phantomofdb
What in the world stats are you using that makes you think the Flu is deadlier. This year From January 1 – April 25 the flu was listed as the cause of death for 156,000 people – which is right in line with the average we usually see – about 500,000 over the course of a year. The same websites credited COVID with 165,000 from APRIL 1 – April 25. Even if we (egregiously) Say HALF those covid cases were actually deaths by other means you’re still at double the rate of the flu.
thejet
People hate facts. They really do.
ekrog
Fact. 0.082% fatality rate. Less than the flu. medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075291v1
phantomofdb
@ekrog
If that number is accurate it means it’s far far more contagious than the flu, so even if the percentage of fatalities is actually lower, the sample size is much bigger and it’s still killing more total people
DTD_ATL
Herd immunity is the only way to get past a novel virus. Shutting everything down and keep people isolated not only kills the economy and is terrible for mental health, it also weakens the immune system. The immune system needs exposure to get stronger.
NY_Yankee
I am usually Pro-Owner, but the Owners and the Union made an agreement and they should live up to it, and pay the players based on games that played ( regardless of fans in the Stadium or not). Of course, that also means that when players like James Paxton become free agents after the Season, he and better yet ( his agent Scott Boras) need to understand he is not getting a $100m plus contract
inkstainedscribe
The three-state, three-division plan might work and would be fascinating. You have two domed ballparks in Florida, two in Texas (three if the Alamo Dome could be converted for baseball) and one in Arizona (but few rainouts … just have start times at 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. during the worst part of summer). MLB also could capture live sports audiences from 11 a.m. – 3 a.m. The tv rights owners would love it.
annysway
If one player infects the clubhouse and that team has to cancel their season would that be the end of the season for all ? Maybe 2021 is looking like the best decision.
royalsfan77
They will play with fans. I agree with those who say that if they didn’t, they would be better to pull the plug. Baseball is not a TV sport. But, they’ll play in front of fans. Some cities may not to limit fans, but there’s no reason that they can’t go in my town, Atlanta, Texas, or any of the states that actually understand that having sporting events outdoors is safe.
And, let’s remember, the only people it really kills are those in vulnerable populations, who don’t have to go to baseball games. Yes, yes, I know there are a few deaths among people who are not 85 years old and/or not having some kind of issue ,but that number is very tiny.
We can play baseball in front of fans…period.