JAN. 22: The Angels have announced the move.
JAN. 19: The Angels have an agreement with free-agent left-hander Jose Quintana, pending a physical, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports. It’s a one-year, $8MM contract for the Wasserman client, per Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports.
Quintana was one of the most accomplished innings eaters available in free agency, as the 31-year-old has thrown 1,495 frames of 3.73 ERA/3.99 SIERA ball between the White Sox and Cubs since his career began in 2012. Of course, a good portion of Quintana’s career has been spent with Angels manager Joe Maddon, who was the Cubs’ skipper when the southpaw pitched for the club from 2017-19. Maddon was with the Angels last season, when Quintana missed most of the year with thumb problems. He totaled just one start and 10 innings in his final season in Chicago.
Last year’s injury issues look like an anomaly for Quintana, who entered the season with seven straight campaigns of 170-plus innings. That’s the type of durability the Angels have lacked in recent years. They’ve battled a litany of injuries in their rotation en route to six straight seasons without a playoff berth, but a healthy Quintana may help turn their fortunes around in 2021.
Along with Quintana, the Angels are set to feature Dylan Bundy, Andrew Heaney and Griffin Canning in the top four of their rotation next season. Two-way player Shohei Ohtani and Jaime Barria also figure to collect plenty of starts for the club, though new general manager Perry Minasian might not be done addressing that part of the Angels’ roster.
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Finally, starting pitching!
He’ll be a great innings eater.
He’ll be a great Julio Teheran clone. Diving for pitching mediocrity is the Halos Way.
Angels – Sucking the life out of Mike Trout’s legacy, one dismal season after another.
Sorry pal, just knowing I can go down to the stadium and see the best player on the planet at anytime, is more of a treat than you can even fathom. Buh bye!
How is he a Teheran clone? Better k/9, bb/9, and hr/9. Teheran was a 4-5 starter that was miscast as a 2-3 in the pitching starved Braves years. They both can eat innings but that’s it.
Teheran outperformed his peripherals, so much so that became his weird calling card. Quintana’s peripherals and actuals outperform Teheran’s rosy actuals. Plus the whole Teheran losing velocity likes he’s 35 down to under 90.
Maybe I miss the comp outside of the “angels signing a 1 year deal for a pitcher so they aren’t good” one.
He’s gonna be like Cal Ripken Jr. A great player who never played in the World Series.
Read about the 1983 World Series turd.
This is hilarious.
Too bad Tony Gwynn didn’t either, right? LOL.
@swing
I can say with confidence that, though it was a fantastic treat to watch Kershaw in his prime (best pitcher on the planet at the time) pitch, it was definitely more enjoyable watching him and all the Dodgers lift the trophy in 2020 — even if all of it was done watching on screens. So, your logic there is a little off, at best.
Except, ye know. You can’t….
@bleeding
I was 100% with you until you questioned their logic. Applying logic to fandom is counterintuitive (ex. I liked Mark Lemke when I was young because he looked like Rick Moranis, so he was a god dang machine) With enjoyment being subjective and championships being rare, you can find moments in bad years that are just as exciting as great years…or maybe that’s just me.
I can’t tell if you’re joking. Didn’t Ripken win a WS with the orioles? And why Ripken of all people to compare with Quintana lol
Trout signed the contract knowing they’ll never be able to afford to put a winning team around him. Bad when the A’s with hardly any high payroll best them year after year!
“ex. I liked Mark Lemke when I was young because he looked like Rick Moranis…”
Wow that got uncomfortable. A little too much insight.
If you don’t like Rick Moranis, then I feel sorry for you.
Probably because they signed Matt Harvey, Trevor Cahill, and Julio Teheran to medium sized 1 year deals and got burnt every single time. Quintana’s track record of consistency is the best of that bunch. But he’s realistically another #4 at this point in his career.
Fourth best starter available at a bargain price. Sounds good to me. BTW Teheran was the 12th best available starter last year so there’s a bit of a difference.
How do you think Trout feels about that? I’m sure it’s conciliatory for him to know fans get to see the greatest player on the planet swing the bat in the regular season.
I don’t like the way Moreno has handled the team with Trout. He should have built the team around him, not used him for fandom to be complacent to see a player (or two, Rendon) per game).
I root for the Angels to get better. Many people want to see them in the postseason for Trout. I enjoy great baseball and want to see the greatest player of this generation play at the highest level of gamesmanship.
Teheran was always a pitcher who pitched better than his peripherals, caught Covid prior to the season, and didn’t pitch well. Three of the previous four years his ERA was under four, and pitched pretty Well in 2019.
Three of the last four years Quintana ERA was above four and he’s coming off of an injury and didn’t pitch well in 2019. He doesn’t have any upside and “might’ be OK.
This move may work out, but he should be the sixth man in the rotation. Why make this move? He’s filler.
Of all the great players who never played in a World Series, you went with someone who won a World Series the same year he won an MVP. Why is it such a trend for people to insist upon posting about things they have absolutely no clue about???
Ripkin did go 13 years between playoff appearances.
As for Trout. He’s not blameless. He’s probably the reason the Angels were knocked off by KC. The last time the Angels were competitive, he had a horrible month and was the major reason they fell back. And another year he was unable to play in spring training and didn’t make the team.
You people make Trout sound like a victim.
@poppygivessloppytoppy
Hey everyone, get a load of this moron! lol
Must’ve been that fake news thing?
JJ, I do remember Tony gwynn playing in a few playoff games and a World Series or 2
@yankee clipper
If he wanted to play with a better cast around him, Trout could have signed for less. Instead, he became the most compensated player in history. I am not saying he doesn’t deserve to be the highest paid. I’m saying he was aware that the CBT existed, and his salary effects how much is left to spend on the rest of the team. Pujols and Upton were signed before he made his choice, so he knew that money was spent as well. I enjoy watching him play, but I can’t bring myself to feel sorry for him not making the playoffs. This was his choice.
If innings are food at a buffett then yes!
100% nothing more nothing less, at least he is reliable, this is from a cubs fan,
he will suck just like he did in Chicago!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn’t say he sucked, he sucked based on the deal to acquire him, but he was a useful piece in rotation, a durable low 4.00 era. guy over his stay with cubs.
I’ve been as big of a critic as anyone when it comes to the Angels failure to add pitching over the past handful of seasons but I like this type of pick up. For those of you who think it’s Bauer or bust try and be realistic about where the Angels payroll stands and the amount of arms they need to contend. I like the quality innings eater types for the Angels especially with their offense a Quintana type can give up a few runs and still keep them in games. I wouldn’t bank on it but he’s also a bounce back candidate at one point the Cubs gave up quite a bit to acquire him.
@seth3120 get out of here with your rational, logical, well thought-out and relevant comment.
They have done more logical pick ups than this that didn’t work out.
Cahill was coming off a good season. Teheran was coming off a good season. Everyone was raving about how Harvey regained his stuff.
Quintana hasn’t had a good season in years and no one is raving about his stuff.
Why do people think this will work out well? The Angels keep doing similar things and they expect it to be different this time. It’s not working.
you nailed it, I think Q is a good fit for any team and doesn’t break the bank, cubs will miss him
Wow. The hot stove is burning tonight.
Solid. Interesting to see if they chase bauer or pair him up with someone like odorizzi
Or not add another pitcher feeling this now gives them a good rotation.
Nice. Need one more.
It’s gonna be one of Jake Odorizzi,, James Paxton or marsihiro Tanaka instead of bauer
You forgot Garrett Richards.
I’d much rather have Richards. At least Richards has some upside. We are lucky if Quintana pitches like a decent #4 starter.
I’m trying to.
They actually need all three of them if their plan is to compete this year
for who?
I hope it’s Odorizzi and sign 2 bullpen pieces, Petit and Colome
Colome is a huge pass. His peripherals show he’s been more lucky than good. Petite, Soria, Keone Kela, Brad Hand, Justin Wilson, Ryan Tepera, Chaz Roe, Brad Peacock, and Garret Richards would be the pool of relievers I would be choosing from at this point.
Yea I’m gonna have to go with Odorizzi, I’ll pass on those other two. Odoriz had a few good season before getting hit by a comebacker in the chest last year.
You’re going to need a lot more than one, ahahaha
rather have 3 setup men/closers.
Can he pitch?
Idk, I think he plays first base.
Unless you are a preteen girl, you should just type out “I don’t know”. It’s not that hard. You need to do better in the future.
Idk, it save time. Why waste time, say lot word when few word do trick? Save time mean more success.
5 ungabunga out 5
Kevin!
Well played
I think he plays 1B fairly poorly.
You right, just another Justin Bour clone.
He missed Joe.
Joe who?
(You’re at first and goal, this is an easy shot, will you make it?)
Does it start with “Joe Ma…”?
Blanton
DiMaggio?
Kelly?
Smith?
Pepitone?
Montana?
C’mon @Rangers29. The suspense is killing me.
Is there a word for excited and then scared (that this is it)?
Jessie Spano, is that you?!?
I mean I think you’re probably technically correct here.
Is she the chick from Saved By The Bell?
Nope, it’s the broad from Showgirls.
If you’re excited for Jose Quintana…low bar.
Don’t stop there Arte/Perry!!
With the plethora of bullpen arms I wonder if Minasian pushes for upside in the rotation or goes for a ho hum rotation but adds substantially to the bullpen. The bullpens in Atlanta the last few years have been pretty solid and two old friends (Melancon and O’day) are still out there.
and Greene.
Agree. I think bullpen construction/philosophy was one reason he was hired. With so few aces available a strong bullpen is one way to mitigate a mediocre rotation.
This offense should be good enough for a mediocre rotation to hand a decent amount of leads to the bullpen. Led the league in blown saves last year.
Yeah HalosHeaven, agree. I’d like to see one more strong RP to pitch the 8th and lengthen that bullpen.
Wait, do you run the blog JJ?
so, who’re bk, bkbk and bkbkbk?
BKBK I was an editor there until moving to Crashing the Pearly Gates after the minions at Vox made changes. Follow us there.
boy howdy’
Jeff! I remember you! I gotta get over to CthePG. I was Stuck in Ro in the old blog
You may have a plethora of bullpen arms but you have a dearth when it comes to starting pitching
Not saying the Angels are the 90s Braves but to lead the league in blown saves you have to be handing the bullpen leads. The Angels led the league in blown saves last year.
Still need upside and depth, but we’re not AS bad as most people think.
Or if you’re going to the bullpen in the 4th and 5th inning your pen has a lot of time to accumulate a blown save
@haloheaven Are you just throwing names on the wall or are you actually serious about O’Day (38) and Melancon (35). Considering O Day has averaged less than 20 innings in the last 3 years and Melancon has averaged less than 35 innings why on earth would the Angels think about signing those guys. There literally many other more effective and younger players sitting in free agency.
Can I add Rosenthall?
The Angels missed out on Yates and Bradley. I’ll take O’Day or Melancon in a second if they sign Rosenthall.
I like this for the Angels. He could be a real solid piece at the back end of their rotation (assuming that he doesn’t already have his obligatory Angels injury planned).
Eh. His age and IP are good but the ERAs north of 4 and WHIPs north of 1.30 are back-end starter material. The Angels have bought from this bin the last few years. Tread carefully.
Damn. Was hoping the chi sox would bring him back as a #5 that would’ve been nice
Padres turned the stove on
Wow, the Angels actually for once to save their lives signed a pitcher… This is more surprising than the Springer Jays signing wow just wow.
Angels should be the highest bidding team left for Bauer but still feel like they won’t get him ! They are gonna sign someone like Paxton , Tanaka , shark or Odorizzi
I don’t think they have the money. Trout and rendon might have tapped them out.
Uptown too I guess
after this they’d have appx.$26 mil before hitting the tax threshold. with the way arte went for cole on top of rendon, he might go over the threshold.
Yea, I’m calling Bauer on a 3/90 to the halos
Maybe he would in a normal offseason, but that’s highly doubtful after a year of pandemic-driven losses.
If the halos go ahead and sign Bauer at 3/$90 mil, but the luxury tax kicks in after $26 million more added to this year’s payroll, couldn’t they just shift $5 mil or so to 2023? Say $25 mil/2021, $30 mil/2022, $$35 mil/2023? That way they avoid the luxury tax as Pujols and Upton are coming off the books.
Yes, they can back load the contract. But Bauer’s ego may not accept those terms.
Or they could just restructure Trout. He’s already made $153mil. They could restructure and backload the remaining 10 years (with interest of course). I bet Mike would take that deal if it helps them compete.
backloading does not work since they count the aav of a contract.
that’s all good if they can shore up the pen.
he’ll be the last f/a signed and the angels get him for 1/10!
Who Bauer ? No way at worst he can get over 30 on a one year deal from like dodgers
I hope the Angels don’t sign Bauer l think Bauer is Flake I’d rather have Paxton Garrett Richards Odorizzi
I agree. Bauer looks to be a head case. Not sure if I want to see him have issues with coaches, team mates or front office. His brashness seems to clash with certain personalities. Not a fan.
Geno – I agree. I would rather spend the same money to sign a trio of 2nd/3rd tier starters for depth than overpay for an ego that will disrupt the clubhouse.
No one is signing shark, he’s completely done. He was awful for the last 3 years in sf
I hope it’s Odorizzi and then sign 2 bullpen pieces like Petit and Colome
Solid pickup. Now they need to get Tanaka or Bauer!!
Trevor Bauer and Angels pitching coach Mickey Callaway have a very rocky past when.they were in Cleveland together
Still probably good enough to be league average and five innings. Good pickup for the Angels, although will reserve judgment until dollar amount is known.
“Deliver” innings.
8 mil, 1 year
Well we said pitching
Really interested to see his contract. Solid pitcher for the cubs but pretty much under the radar all offseason.
1 for 8 seems like solid value
Can’t see him failing to achieve 1.5-2 war if healthy, so 8 feels like a steal
But they need pitching!!!!!! Oh wait I’m sorry I’m just used to the Angels signing position players
But an Angels fan but every year I wonder how fan every else see that pitching is their biggest weakness but they do nothing or very little about it. This is a smart move. This guys no ace but a very solid pitcher for them
angels were after every top level free agent starting pitcher last offseason. they went up to 10/300 on cole. and you know what? most angels fans are so glad to have rendon who bats behind trout!
10/300? I thought the Dodgers and Angels stopped at 8years just shy of 300m and the yanks went 9/324 to seal the deal.
9/$288m
The Angels offered Cole 8 years 294 million.
Nice! I was hoping he would join the Angels.
Dumpster dive
You are stupid
Is there still a MLB team in Boston?
It’s Julio Teheran all over again.
Your Dumb
Very smart comment, Geno55. Did you think that up all by yourself? Tell your mom to put it up on the refrigerator.
*you’re
According to MLBTR’s top 50: Quintana was the 4th best starter available in this year’s class. Teheran was 12th in last year’s class. And they got Quintana at basically half of what MLBTR predicted.
Something I didn’t realize until relatively recently: that he was suspended for PEDs while in MiLB.
Julio Teheran, Part 2
Lord help them if they don’t get an elite ace (Bauer) this season.
I don’t believe Bauer is ace material
I just don’t think the Angels have the funds to add Bauer considering they already have several big-money deals on the books.
There are plenty of ways to structure a contract in year 1 to fit the team payroll and stay under the luxury tax.
For example…
2021: 20-25m (Pujols last year)
2022: 36m (no Pujols, JUp last year)
2023: 37m (no JUp)
2024: 40m
That’s 4/$133m-138m. $33.25AAV
Just an example, but it can be done.
Luxury tax is based on aav. It will count 33.5 million all four years
he typed all that out just to be completely wrong lmao
Artie spends big money—he just typically pisses it away on all the wrong players. Rendon’s a fantastic 3B but given the makeup of their roster was 245 million dollars to a 3B really a wise decision?
yes, he once said he lost money for a season and was laughed at by many. it also is his age. he doesn’t have time to develop youngsters to win. besides, he is a master of getting angels fans excited for the upcoming season. if it takes rendon, who bats nehind trout, he does.
Whoa. As a Giants fan, I didn’t really want Quintana, but you can’t argue with the value play here. $8m???
As a baseball fan I just want to see a really solid angels team do Trout can get a chance to shine in the playoffs. Angels making decent incremental moves here and there. Hopefully they’re getting setup for some MAJOR splashes. Spend that cash Arte!!
Two guys off the board today that I would have liked the White Sox to go after. But such different price points. 6/150 seems like too much for Springer, while 1/8 is a bargain for Quintana. Not at all surprised the Sox did reach those heights for Springer, but they should have been able to offer better than 1/8 for Q.
I wanted the Phillies to sign him. I hope they at least get one lefty, like Happ
I can see them offering Cole Hamels a one year deal if his asking price is realistic.
Solid pick up! Now to get Odorizzi. Would prefer him over Bauer or Tanaka. Although Tanaka would be a solid pick up since he is only looking for a one year deal.
8m…wow. Injuries or not, Quintana has been a rock in major league rotations for a long time.
This locks Bauer to the Mets 100% mark my words
What do you think the terms would be for the Mets?
5 years, 42 per?
That’s a fair deal for sure. It would be great to see Cole with the Yankees and Bauer with the Mets.
Bauer won’t get above $35MM lol
WorstThrowEver who do you have Bauer going to and for how much?
I think it’d be more fun if he was on the Blue Jays and we got to watch some Cole v Bauer duels.
Be better if he were on the Yanks & we could have a Bronx Zoo reprise.
QAnon sez Q to A. Moreno… Maddon. The connection. #TrustThePlan. LOL… Finally the Angels get a quality innings eating starter.
Solid Pick up by the Angels.
Jose Quintana the most unsexy average totally anaheim angelesque pitcher. It’s like a perfect fit, he’ll underwhelm you to death, you’ll love him!
As as White Sox fan, I am disappointed… was hoping for a reunion. I am surprised he got 8M, just given the market. Perhaps the market for players will not be as suppressed as it seemed, with Springer getting 150M from the Jays.
I think Jose will do well for the Angels, I like him as a rebound candidate.
Drew Smyly got 11 and your shocked Quintana got 8? Seems like a steal.
1 yr deal is great for Angels. nice signing
Q’s the man. This is a great pickup for the price. There’s still some heavy lifting to be done with this team, but here’s a piece of the puzzle.
Lol yeah right. Keep dreaming. Angels are going nowhere and poor Mike Trout is having his all-time hall of fame career wasted on a team that will never even sniff a chance at winning it all. Total shame!
a’s may not even have a stadium to play if the sewage overflows again.
You misspelled “when”
lol!
NEW GM, SAME OLD ANGELS
It’s called pitching depth. Not the worst thing in the world.
I don’t mind depth but it now puts us out of contention for Bauer. We need an ace plus a #2/3 if we want to contend. Another #4 who eats innings will give us another year of .500 baseball.
Sorry we can’t wait for Bauer to sign Too many pictures coming off the board you can’t keep waiting for Bauer to sign there won’t be nothing left to sign this is a good Angels pick up
Bauer Is to busy making videos asking Feedback from every teams fan base why should he sign with their team ?
Mill – Why does this definitively put the Angels out of contention for Bauer?
Solid pick up…not the answer but it will help. As much as I want them to sign Bauer, it would probably make more sense to spend that much on 2 or even 3 more quality starters and a pen piece. But either way…the rotation is hopefully better tonight with this move.
I was hoping he would sign with the Chicago Dogs to complete the trifecta and stay where he belongs.
Nice signing, but they need more.
Like the move, if he’s avail 25 days from now you might have gotten him for 6 but its a clean break away 1 yr deal with no buyouts moving forward.
If he was a Perry target you ink him today; have to trust your people on the inside to be a good org; cant always gamble that 25 days for 2 mill- Theres value moving forward (next 30 days ish) knowing where you stand
I think this is smart, I dont see Bauer and I dont see Ordozzi range guys moving the needle enough to pay them what they will be payed-
Like a lot of Angel folk, I think the rest of the off season should be pen pen pen, Now Q actually helps the pen w durability as well so nice semi head start already
Yea, the Angels are gonna sign Bauer. Arte was willing to go to 200 team payroll last year with cole and technically the non-proated payroll was 180 last year.
For only 8MM this is a solid pick up. Hopefully they go after Bauer or really push for a bigger trade.
8 million isn’t exactly restocking the cupboard.I honestly thought they were going to acquire a 1 & 2 SP to start competing throughout Mike Trouts contract.What happened to Arties promise of being the west coast Yankees with the budget?
He was kind of right if you want to compare Pujols’ contract with ARod’s.
Reasonable price for a proven 4-5 starter.
Problem is, ALL of the Angel’s starters have PROVEN to be 4-5 starters. Bundy was a one-year exception…………and it was a short year.
The playoff drought reaches 7 years…………..
Even if they would get to playoffs they aren’t advancing without some top guys.
Bundy’s more than a #4. He unlocked some of what we always thought he could be. Camden Yards and the ALE was not a good fit for him. Especially post velo-drop. He should be at least a #3 for the Halos moving forward. If not a #2. The problem is—he only has 1 more year on his deal. That’s a huge raise coming if they intend on keeping him.
LOL at those calling for the Angels to miss the playoffs on January 19th after one SP move…a 1 year deal no less.
Considering the Angels paid Matt Harvey $11M for one year, Quintana @ $8M sounds like a steal.
The Orioles paid Chris Davis 150MM for 7 years but if you use that as the barometer every deal looks good……
In all seriousness this is a fine deal. He’s a durable starter. Just not the TOR guy they also need.
There are three great indicators for starting pitchers.
Can you throw a pitch in the strike zone and have the batter swing and miss.
Can you throw a pitch out of the strike zone and have a batter swing and miss
And swinging strike percentage.
In 2019, Quintana was terrible at all three.
He’s a back end of the rotation starter at best. With so many players on the market, I don’t understand this signing.
What is wrong with the freaking Angels? Quintana is a batting practice machine at this point. They should be grabbing Bauer and trading for as many 1/2/3 starters as they can. Thank goodness I’m a Sox fan.
The same team who hasn’t been relevant until now?
2005., 2021, 2022. 2024.
I always wonder what kind of person comes on a thread about another team and rips that team.
That kind of person has real issues.
The White Sox have won two playoff games in the last 15 years.
Yep, I’m ripping a perennial 4th place team that spends all their money on position players.
I’m a THINKING fan of the game.
If you don’t care about the game of baseball, discussion boards aren’t for you.
Go find an Angels booster club (for non-thinking fans who need something to fill a void in their lives) if you don’t like it.
I don’t go on the White Sox Board and rip the White Sox.
I’ll make you a bet, Trout wins more playoff games with the Angels than Hall of Famers Thomas (2), Baines (1) and Aparicio (2) COMBINED.
You have to be a real jerk to go on someone’s board and rag about Trout not winning playoff games.
Part of the reason Trout has not won more playoffs games is because of Mike Trout. The one time he was in the playoffs, he hit 083 and the Angels lost two extra innings games. In those two extra inning games he went 0-8.
Angels needed a Lefty SP. Q has a better track record than Paxton. Maddon may trust him more.
Good signing. He can be dominiant when healthy. Heaney, Bundy, Quintana, Canning ain’t bad. One more SP and RP. Please Arte & Perry!
Depth plus do not forget Barria, I think he will be the sleeper for halos. Ohtani if healthy could be in rotation late May. Health for Canning and Heaney always in play. Need couple pen pieces like Petit and Colome. One more starter Odorizzi would be nice..
Well, I guess Q helps provide depth. 2020 aside, the Angels have probably used 9+ SP each year for the past several seasons.
Sure feels alot like the Harvey, Cahill and Terhan signings of past offseasons. Hopefully, with a better outcome. And there’s still time for a trade or another FA signing. I don’t believe this will be the Angels marquee signing of the offseason.
Woot now the Angels have a rotation almost as good as the giants…
That’s not a complement.
The Giants will be 25th to 30th in scoring in all of baseball.
That’s not a complement.
Acute couple makes a complementary angle.
This signing makes Quintana a complementary Angel.
My angle is not to compliment….
Apologies, can’t help myself sometimes, fair points outside the one little ‘complement’ thing.
Giants 28th in 2019 runs scored, 8th in 2020, the competition has improved but facing Dodgers closer to 10% of the games instead of 20% range has to be something? I’d bet on them finishing above 24th. Not above 20th though. Not sure if that’s a compliment.
Some supplementary comments:
If the Angels expect a 180 degree turn around they will need more degrees of separation from the rest of the division. Quintana is an acute signing but I’m not trying to be obtuse in suggesting other additions.
Except for their pen, the Angels don’t need a 180 degree turn around.
Heaney, Barria, Bundy and Canning were all good last year.
What they need is a bullpen and they are not close to having a bullpen this team should rely on.
At this point, I don’t know why the Angels brought in a bottom of the rotation starter.
I don’t like the price at this stage in his career, but the Angels starts can’t stay healthy so this will at least eat some innings and give hitters a chance to win the game 7-6. Bundy is not a #1, so still much work to be done if the Angels want to play in October.
So far two Jose’s and two Iglesias’
Nice.
Why do the Angels always sign semi-decent pitchers and expect them to pitch beyond expectations?
It is not a bad contract at all… Angels just need more certain pitching.
Semi-decent seems like a fair upgrade over what they’ve gotten in the past. In 2019, they rolled into the season with Trevor Cahill and Matt Harvey as the two upgrades to their rotation. This doesn’t take them out of the Bauer race and speaking that the Angels’ pitching isn’t known for their durability, bringing in a pitcher who’s been league average while also averaging 182 innings per 162 games the last three seasons is pretty solid get, imo.
Good point if you look at it that way.
According to MLBTR Quintana was the 4th best SP in this year’s class (not including those that accepted QOs). Have to consider what’s available.
Is he any better than Paxton, Richards, Walker?
I’d take Ohtani, Bundy, Heaney and Canning over him. Probably even Barria.
Perry better have his eye on a couple of bullpen guys. Right now the Angels 8th inning guy is a 29 year old with a career negative WAR and of 5.69.
Their 7th inning guy had a 5.81 ERA last year.
My point was you have to consider what’s available. From MLBTRs Top 50
Available SPs:
Bauer (1 overall)
Stroman (6 overall, took QO)
Gausman (9 overall, took QO)
Tanaka (10 overall)
Odorozzi (11 overall)
Quintana (19 overall)
Paxton (22 overall)
Walker (23 overall)
Richards (24 overall)
So based on that they’re all very comparable. MLBTR predicted Quintana would get 2/18 and the other three would get 2/16. Getting Quintana for 1/8 is a very solid signing. Maybe the other three are holding out for 2yr deals? I don’t know, and neither do you.
My worry is the bullpen.
The Angels were going to add a starter, he’s far from the one I would have chosen.
I’d rather have Walker, Paxton or Richards. There were still lots of chairs available in this game of musical chairs.
Q helps the pen with his durability
Cap. In isolation, there is nothing wrong with the move.
There is no secondary move the Angels can make to make this a good signing. It’s only a good signing if that’s the last starting pitcher they are adding.
Quintanna has no upside. 4.3 ERA and 150 is his upside.
What’s your secondary move? Whatever it is, it pushes a better pitcher to the bench.
Nice little pickup for them. Not game changing for them but adds some consistency… I mean he’s not good and people will argue until their blue that he is. But you at least know what you’re getting and he’s not gonna implode most games. He should keep them in most games.
He’s not the shiny bauble that everyone seems to think the Angels need. He is solid and will keep them in games. With their offense, most nights that will work. The A’s don’t have one,either, but depth in their staff gets them where they need. Bauer, who insists he wants to be on a 4 day rotation, does not fit on a staff that has Ohtani on a six day rotation.
Other pitchers might benefit from more than five days between starts, too. Bauer’s wishes could be accommodated.
Besides, Ohtani hasnt really pitched in coming up on three years. Still no definite indication that he will be used as a starter. He might be an interesting bullpen piece, though it would be an expensive one, given what they paid for his posting fee. It doesnt count against the luxury tax, but still……
Yea I think the 4 day rotation with a 6 day rotation is definitely a challenge but doable and worth it for the quality of pitching you would be getting. Idk. Is it worth it? I don’t think Bauer will maintain his great success. He’s awesome, but he’s a head case and you never know when those guys might implode
Sonora, also Ohtani only pitched 25 inn his last year in Japan. He has thrown approximately 77 total inn in four years. His pitch count and inn will be closely watched and limited even if he pitches very well.
Angels now need to trade Heaney with Adell and other min leaguer and try to acquire Castillo. Quintana is another back end starter. They need front line pitching at this point!
Sign Trevor Bauer and bring back GRich as a back end or Long reliever and let’s see what they do.
Solid signing for $8MM for what he is which is a .500 pitcher. If Maddon can get the offense going and get Quintana 4-5 runs a game this will work out very well.
Wait, what?! We signed a starting pitcher?!
I can see the Angels challenging for the AL West title IF they sign Bauer. Houston and OAK figure to be weaker, barring further signings. Just need Upton to have a decent season and Walsh to start at 1b against every RHP. Oh, and Ohtani needs to start hitting again. Some combination of the existing starters and the bullpen additions + Bauer will win a lot of games.
Not a bad signing; now grab Hamels.
Decent signing for the money. Hopefully Q spends it on getting a dishwasher and stays healthy this season.
Still not a playoff team. It’s great to add an “innings eater”, but the fact is they still don’t have a legitimate #2 SP not to mention a #1. You have a couple # 3’s and the rest are # 5’s at their best. The improved bullpen still can’t be expected to get 12 outs a night. The bullpen couldn’t get 12 outs a night even over a shortened season.
They still need better pitching is they ever expect to make the playoffs.
Who do the A’s or Houston have that’s a top of the rotation starter?
Is it an old guy who has never thrown 150 innings? An old guy who was OK last year, or a young guy with potential.
Just curious.
Good signing by the Angels.
Good signing by the Angels.
Theodore. In terms of innings pitched, what are you expecting from him to consider this a good signing?
Around 150 innings.
With a 4.3 ERA taking. He’s not better than Barria. And if the Angels sign a sixth pitcher, then Barria is not making the rotation.
As a Giants fan the Angels signing Quintana is very disappointing—he made so much sense for SF, even on a two or three year deal. The Angels still can’t compete with their rotation, but signing Quintana is an excellent move.
Now they need Shane Greene, Alex Colome and Trevor Bauer so they can get trout to the playoffs.
Solid signing here. 1 more SP and another strong backend RP and this is how the west is won.
Who do you have in mind?
So the Angels get another SP and bounce Barria from their current six man starting rotation simply hoping Quintana can have 4.3 ERA?
If they do sign someone else, BIG IF, they would have been better off taking a flyer on Paxton, Richards or Walker and teaming him with Odorrizzi. At least those three have an upside, and if they don’t work out, Barria can take the spot.
Barria is better than Quintanna. And if they don’t sign someone else, Quintanna was NOT the starting pitcher they should have signed.
Either way, this was not a good signing.
I’m wanting to see Trevor Bauer doing a social media show with Mike Trout. They seem like match and gas tank…itd be awesome.
Hahaha, that is funny, but unlikely, and not for the reason u gave.
1) This is a good sign contrary to what u think. I also didn’t realize that Q’s over all numbers are better that Paxton’s, and witch I would think Pax is going to get a lot more money
2) Q is better than Barria until proven otherwise.
3) Given the Angels health history. I’d like to see another SP signed, and kick Barria to long relief and spot starter/opener. Who to sign? Don’t know, there’s stIll plenty of options out there and I dunno how much there willing to spend on another SP, when I’d like to see another solid RP.
4) The RP add? 1 of the top 4 or 5 left on the market/another closer type.
This team can do great things with: average SP’s, great Pen, and great hitting.
Until proven otherwise? The last year Quintana had an ERA below four was 2016.
Barria has been better than him two out of the last three years. And the year Quintana beat him out, his ERA was 4.68.
Quintana’s ERA with the Cubs is 4.24 I’d much rather take a chance on someone else.
And Pax lifetime ERA is 3.58. And it was under four seven years in a row. I’d MUCH rather take a chance on Paxton.
So you’ll take Paxton’s 3.5 era and 90 innings over Q’s 3.7 era and 170 innings? This is career, I’m not going to hand pick stats back and forth to fit a pretty even debate, unlike u using 4 starts for Q in 2020.
I’m pretty much throwing out 2020. With Quintana we have plenty to look at. His entire non-dh Cubs in one of the worst divisions in baseball for example. He wasn’t very good.
Yes, I’ll take Paxton.
I’ll take the pitcher with upside, who when pitches, I know will be good vs the pitcher I know will give us a 4.3+ ERA and will likely pitch 100+ innings.
I’ll bet on the combination of Paxton/Sandoval/Detmers.
And now if the Angels sign Paxton/Richards/Walker, why sign Quintana?
Quintana isn’t very good. At least Cahill and Teheran were good the year before we got them. Nothing special, but better than Quintana. If you are expecting Quintana to be good, there is nothing that supports that.
This isn’t 2016.
Quintana actually started in just 1 game in 2020, despite pitching in 4.
Bottom line is, a fair projection for Q next season would be 4.0 and 170 innings, give or take a quarter run. That’s a couple runs better than what the Angels were throwing out there last year, in the back end of there rotation. Now, 1 more solid 2/3 type SP, you throw out 1 more rotational garbage start we had last year in the back-end. Now were talking!
He’s going from the NL Cental to the AL West. 4.0 is not a “fair” estimate, He hasn’t been four since 2016.
It’s a six man rotation, he’s not getting 170 innings. As for who the Angels threw out there last year, who cares? This was a chance to get better.
And by adding another starting pitcher, you take Barria out of the starting rotation who is comparable to Quintana. So it makes no sense to sign Quintana and another starting pitcher. Just sign the other starting pitcher.
Baseball Reference has a 4.55 Projection for Quintana. ZIPS is 4.76. and that’s based on the AL Central.
Well, I can’t change your mind if u think Q is flat out garbage. A very high percentage think this is a solid signing…. Angel rumored to be in the Brad Hand sweepstakes.. Get’em Perry!
Flat out garbage?
He is what he is, he’ll have an ERA above 4.3 and there is no upside. He doesn’t miss bats and he is mediocre at inducing soft contact and mediocre at limiting hard contact. He has above average control.
He’s not an answer. And if you do sign a pitcher who can be an answer, then what’s the point of signing him at all? The Angels only have so much money.
And if the Angels don’t sign another pitcher, then what on Earth are they doing?
I wish Vegas had a prop bet of Q’s era being over/under 4.30…. I’d take that under bet all day and tomorrow.
They’ll sign another SP and RP. This deal makes it no Bauer most likely, which I like… I was never in on the Bauer thing, with the numbers I’m hearing out there.
You’d lose that bet.
As I said, 4.24 in a weak division with no DH. What makes you think he’s going to get better.
The predictions on fan graphs range from 4.31 to 4.76. And that was before going to the AL West with a DH.
We need a #1 & #2 to win.All the cost effective talk is recycled garbage.AP 30 million is gonzo,then Uptons 20 the next yr.Trouts time is now,not in 23…Sure fire first ballot,maybe could be &I hope be the GOAT….Wake up Artie,U have to win rings to be the GOAT…Do the rt thing and do whatever you can for him.He’s a once in a lifetime talent!
He might be the Angels ace if he pitched like he did for the White Sox he was ok for a Cub pitcher but they gave up to much ( Theo )
He’s unlikely to pitch how he pitched for the White Sox. Heck, he’s unlikely to pitch as well as he pitched for the Cubs.
With the Cubs, his ERA was 4.24. I don’t think we’ll get that. Not out of the NL Central into the AL West.
You got a solid 3 or 4 for 8 million. Leaves enough to sign more players . Has life on the ball. His arms not worn out. Problem is third time thru the lineup and a real bad manager not knowing when to pull the trigger. Sometimes Maddon is too quick other times way too slow. The bad signing was the manager not Quintana.
Halo11Fan — can I borrow your crystal ball? There are a couple of lotteries I’d like to knock down and you seem to have the market cornered on the future.
@Halofan. I’m not certain you’re right, my friend. We probably would have expected him to get better when he went from the ALC to the NLC but that didn’t happen. He got worse. Also, his peripherals should give you a little hope.
There are three things I look at when figuring out who might be a diamond in the rough in my stat league draft.
1) Can you throw a pitch in the strikezone and have the batter miss the ball.
Your leaders are the elite pitchers in baseball. Out of everyone 139 pitcher who threw 100 pitches in baseball in 2019, he was the ninth worst.
2) May he gets batters to chase ans swing and miss. He was 80t.
3) Maybe he just induces soft contact? Nope, he was 76th.
So they hit everything, and they usually hit it hard. I don’t like his odds.
I’m not your friend, buddy. Sorry, had to. I’ll see my way out lol.
Quacking Anyone who is civil and doesn’t start political or Covid conversations is my friend.
So I appreciate him calling me his friend.
I like this move for the Angels. It improves the team and that’s the goal. .
Surprisingly affordable for a quality pitcher.
It was weird watching Quintana take a step back pitching in the NL. It seemed like he was improving every year with the White Sox.
Again, Quintana like many other lefty SP, can thank Robbie Ray for his contract.
When he was with the Sox, I thought he would be great for the Cubs. For some strange reason it never worked out.
no wonder i forgot about him. his contract wasn’t official.
No excuses! Haha… Is was all but a done deal besides the physical. It’s ok, u just forgot. 😉
hahaha!
l would hate to be labeled an innings eater