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Blue Jays Acquire Jose Berrios

By Steve Adams | July 30, 2021 at 12:02pm CDT

12:02pm: The Blue Jays have announced the trade.

11:31am: The Blue Jays and Twins have a deal in place sending right-hander Jose Berrios to Toronto, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reports that top pitching prospect Simeon Woods Richardson is part of the return. Infielder Austin Martin, the No. 5 overall pick from last summer’s draft, is also going to Minnesota, reports Dan Hayes of The Athletic.

Jose Berrios | Jeffrey Becker-USA TODAY Sports

Berrios, 27, gives the Blue  Jays perhaps the second-best pitcher on this summer’s trade market, trailing only Max Scherzer, who is expected to join the Dodgers later today. Unlike Scherzer, he’s controllable beyond the 2021 season, as he’s only in his second arbitration season. Berrios is earning $6.1MM in 2021 and will be due one more arbitration raise this winter before reaching free agency upon conclusion of the 2022 campaign.

Berrios will join Hyun Jin Ryu and the resurgent Robbie Ray atop the Toronto rotation, comprising what now looks to be a formidable trio. He’s in the midst of one of his finest seasons, pitching to a 3.48 ERA with a career-best 25.7 percent strikeout rate, an excellent 6.5 percent walk rate and a career-high 43.6 percent ground-ball rate. He’s posted those numbers through 20 starts and a total of 121 1/3 frames, standing out as one of the dwindling number of pitchers in today’s game who averages six-plus frames per outing.

Of course, Berrios isn’t simply durable on a per-game basis. He’s been one of the game’s most durable starting pitchers overall, throughout the entirety of his career. He’s never been on the Major League injured list and is currently on pace for what would be his fourth straight season of a full slate of starts. He made 26 appearances back in 2017 — the final season he was optioned to the minors — and has since made 32 starts, 32 starts, 12 starts (a full workload in last year’s 60-game season) and 20 starts so far in 2020.

During that time, he’s never posted an ERA above 4.00 and has pitched to an overall 3.76 mark with a 24.2 percent strikeout rate and a 7.2 percent walk rate. Berrios may not quite be a Cy Young-caliber, top-of-the-rotation ace, but he’s as consistent and durable as it comes for a second/third starter.

The Blue Jays paid a steep price to acquire a year and a half of that consistency. Martin, last year’s No. 5 overall pick, was viewed by many in the industry as the best all-around player in the draft class. It was a legitimate surprise when he slipped beyond the No. 2 overall pick and fell to the Jays with the fifth selection. He’s currently ranked as the No. 16 prospect in the game at MLB.com, No. 21 at Baseball America and No. 23 at FanGraphs.

Martin starred at Vanderbilt in college, hitting .368/.474/.532 in his college career. The Jays dropped him right into Double-A to begin 2021, his first professional season, and it hasn’t looked like he’s missed a beat. In 250 plate appearances, Martin has posted a .281/.424/.383 with a pair of homers, ten doubles, two triples and nine stolen bases. He’s walked at a hearty 14.8 percent clip against a 21.2 percent strikeout rate. That batting line is 32 percent better than league average in an immensely pitcher-friendly Double-A environment, by measure of wRC+.

The main question on Martin is simply one of where he’ll play. He’s split his time evenly between shortstop and center field in Double-A this season. At the time of the draft, some scouts questioned whether he could stick at shortstop in pro ball, but the Jays have been giving him that chance. Even if shortstop isn’t his ultimate home on the diamond, however, most scouting reports on the 22-year-old Martin agree that his athleticism will translate to third base, center field or second base. The general expectation surrounding Martin is that he’ll be an above-average regular regardless of where he settles in on the diamond.

Woods Richardson has had a rougher season as Martin’s teammate in Double-A, but he’s only 20 years old — nearly five years younger than the average age of his competitors at that level. He entered the season widely regarded as a top 100 prospect, and while he’s since dropped off Baseball America’s list following the draft, he still ranks 49th at FanGraphs and 68th at MLB.com.

The Jays initially acquired Woods Richardson from the Mets in the trade that send Marcus Stroman to Queens. He’s made 11 starts in New Hampshire this season and posted a grisly 5.76 ERA, although that number is inflated by a .359 average on balls in play and an abnormally low 58 percent strand rate. Woods-Richardson has walked too many hitters (12.8 percent) but also fanned a third of his opponents so far on the year. Woods Richardson is away from the club right now, pitching for Team USA in the Olympics (as is fellow newly acquired Twins pitching prospect Joe Ryan).

FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen writes that Woods Richardson works with both a four-seamer and a two-seamer, also praising the righty’s changeup and the shape of his curveball. MLB.com’s report praised Woods Richardson’s changeup as the best in Toronto’s system, and the general consensus on the right-hander is that if he can add a little velocity as he continues to fill out, he has the makings of a No. 2 or No. 3 starter.

It’s an impressive haul for the Twins, though the organization has to be disappointed that the season came to this. Minnesota entered the year as defending AL Central champs and hopeful contenders, but their season spiraled out of control early and has yet to recover. That’s prompted the front office to pivot to what certainly looks like it’ll be an accelerated retooling of the roster.

The Twins still have an impressive crop of controllable hitters, and the additions of Martin, Woods Richardson, Ryan and Drew Strotman in their first two trades of deadline season give them four upper-minors talents who could impact the club by 2022 (perhaps 2023, in Woods Richardson’s case). Parting with Berrios means bidding adieu to the best pitcher the organization has developed in more than a decade, but they’ll hope that the recent influx of talent quickly supplements their foundation of young hitters and produces another arm or two of Berrios’ caliber before long.

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313 Comments

  1. BrewersMVP08

    4 years ago

    Oh daddy wow

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    • Francys01

      4 years ago

      Wow, I thought Berrios was going to play for the San Diego Padres. Preller what is happening? The super team just keep improving.

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      • BrewersMVP08

        4 years ago

        He will panic and sign another second baseman I bet

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        • BudLightKnight

          4 years ago

          As a Dodgers fan there is nothing that makes me happier than seeing the Padres miss out on all the top players (at least so far…)

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        • Comrade Tipsy McStagger

          4 years ago

          How are the Twins going to avoid a full rebuild? The only starter they have coming back next year (at least so far, the day is young) is Kenta Maeda. Their rotation will be atrocious next year. Plus the likely loss of Buxton. How do they avoid full rebuild mode? Plus, these prospects are not major-league-ready. Is this a sign of things to come?

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        • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

          4 years ago

          Wow finally Buffalo’s Finest get a top notch pitcher! @markorock68- must be very happy? But did you give up too much for him though? Lmk. Hope all is well.

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        • niedenfuer92

          4 years ago

          Its ok, the Twins will sign Kershaw, Scherzer, Bauer and Greinke to fill out the rotation. Problem solved.

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        • MarkoRock68

          4 years ago

          Going well thanks , yes excited but hoping there is a bit more coming our way . Didnt you hear as of today no more Buffalo . Big moves for both teams past 24 hours.

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        • i like al conin

          4 years ago

          It sure makes it easy when you can bully the rest of the league with the game’s highest payroll.

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        • Twinsfan79

          4 years ago

          Pitching is a huge problem in MN. Injuries have plagued them on the position player side this year but the pitching has been bad for a long time. I think the core group is there still. Just need to be healthy and start again next year. They absolutely need to reverse course and spend money on top pitching.

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        • jessejr1984

          4 years ago

          As a Padres fan nothing makes me happier than Dodgers fans who just won a championship and had a great trade deadline focusing on our failure instead of their own accomplishments. It’s almost impressive how small that is.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          4 years ago

          Like Buxton is a big loss. As good as he is, he doesn’t stay healthy. Twins should rebuild and actually develop sustainable talent.

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        • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

          4 years ago

          @MarcoRock68- that’s awesome going back to Toronto. Congratulations, nothing like playing and being back home, hopefully everyone stays healthy. Yes, both the Yankees and the Blue Jays made some really nice moves. Good luck the rest of the way. Take care.

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      • Chief Two Hands

        4 years ago

        Preller can’t come to the phone right now…he’s in on the bathroom floor, shaking in the fetal position.

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        • Smelly_Cobb

          4 years ago

          Here’s to hoping the dodgers choke circa 2019

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    • iverbure

      4 years ago

      What a god awful trade for the jays. Of course you’ll read here it’s a great trade for the jays because fans don’t understand how to win. They think whichever team gets the best player wins the trade every time when in reality it’s rarely the case.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        I mean the list of prospects who never amount to anything is very long. I agree it’s a steep price but let’s not pretend that it’s an automatic win for the twins

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      • Harrymannback77

        4 years ago

        They have a stacked system and are in it to win it now, with a nice window based on the current roster. I’m a twins fan and a baseball fan, this was a great move by Toronto. It shows they’re serious right now, and Jose is a great player and teammate.

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      • AndyWarpath

        4 years ago

        Not saying I would have done this deal, but it does seem to be about market rate.

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      • Murphy NFLD

        4 years ago

        As a Jays fan it’s too much I wanted them to only include 1 of Martin, Grohsans and woods not 2. If Berrios doesn’t sign an extension as part of this I will not be happy

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        • Tatsumaki

          4 years ago

          Preller really s*** the bed. Imagine thinking gore is worth keeping over max scherzer and trea Turner

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        • beersy

          4 years ago

          What was the offer from the Padres and the ask from the Nats in the Scherzer talks? I haven’t seen any names? Where did you see that Gore was the difference?

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          4 years ago

          @Murphy NFLD

          If the Jays win a World Championship, I imagine that’ll console you to some degree.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          4 years ago

          I haven’t seen anything to assume Turner was even on Preller’s radar. That was a complete surprise to me when it came up for the Dodgers. I agree that Preller is feeling…discomfort at this point, especially now with Berrios off the table. I think Preller thought he had Scherzer and Friedman, with the rich owners giving him the green light, just decided to swoop in in and crush the Padres. It was a good move for the Dodgers regardless of the divisional race, but keeping the Padres down is a significant bonus. The Padres are a threat. Very good team and this move for the Dodgers, (if it gets completed) would be huge on multiple levels. I say “if” because the past 24 hours have made me skeptical about anything regarding trade rumors until they are final.

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        • Faith in the Padres

          4 years ago

          No reports indicated Turner was part of the negotiations for Scherzer the Padres, especially since they just acquired Adam Frazier.

          Sounds like the Nationals leveraged combining Scherzer and Turner to increase the quality of the return from the dodgers since they just sent two top 50 prospects and might be taking on all the deferred money owed to Scherzer (can’t imagine why its held up being announced unless they’re still talking about his deferred money).

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      • Bi Soxual

        4 years ago

        The extra yr of Berrios ctrl w what Tor has already built up there,can stomach high draft capital imo ofc.This AL wild card race is going to be wild.Tor plays Ny 7x in Sept.

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      • bellybombs

        4 years ago

        So the team that gets the worst players wins? That’s quite an insight.

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      • osonvs

        4 years ago

        I think it’s a little extreme to be calling this a God awful trade for the Jays. Everyone knows to get quality you have to trade quality. And while Martin is a premium prospect, he’s exactly just that right now, a prospect. There are plenty of prospects in baseballs history that never pan out the way they’re predicted to. Berrios is a proven MLB commodity. So for the short term, Blue Jays win hands down. The long term winner will all depend on if the Jays make the post season and how far they go and how Martin and Woods Richardson will develop.

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  2. bigredmachine3553

    4 years ago

    This is huge for the Jays

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    • cptstupendous

      4 years ago

      Truly is but Simeon woods Richardson is a heckuva price. Dagnabit MN wouldn’t take Groshans instead.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        Groshans has the same ceiling and is closer.

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        • cptstupendous

          4 years ago

          Posted before knew Martin was packaged as well. Was initially referring to Groshans rather than SWR.

          This is a steep price – not sure if it’s high or low yet, just steep.

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        • bucketbrew35

          4 years ago

          And he plays third.

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      • jakethesnizake

        4 years ago

        Never pitched an inning in the pros. Prospects are no sure thing and when you can get a young difference maker like Berrios, you roll the dice. I wish Cashman had the balls to do this kind of deal, but time and again he passes and settles for middling turds like JA Happ or a deep bullpen (neither of which has worked out at all) instead.

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        • racosun

          4 years ago

          Yeah sure, until Cash has to include Jasson Dominguez in those kind of deals, then the whining about trading homegrown players for turds.

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        • tanner829 2

          4 years ago

          Ok Yankee apologist- in case Yankee fans forgot, winning championships & getting into playoffs take PITCHING & DEFENSE. Adding more bats isn’t gonna work- ask the Angels how well that works out. I will watch the Yanks not make the playoffs with a smile on my face.

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    • ChiSox_Fan

      4 years ago

      Berrios running from Sheets to another division!

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      • Chief Two Hands

        4 years ago

        Yeah, getting traded is synonymous with running away. You continue to impress, ChiSox_Fan.

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  3. Robrock30

    4 years ago

    SWR Really LOL Mets

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      4 years ago

      Mets don’t need to give up top prospects. They can win a bad division this year and hope for the best, but really they’re in a good place now to compete for 5 years or so. Why risk that? They just need rental backend pitching. Davies. Gibson. That gets them the division.

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      • Robrock30

        4 years ago

        Coasting into the postseason winning a cake division is a sound strategy I guess.

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      • 802Ghost

        4 years ago

        Mutts aren’t winning the division. Atlanta by 2.5 games.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Is stroman not their best starter this year ? Besides when degrom is healthy

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      • Eatdust666

        4 years ago

        Yes he is, especially since Taijuan Walker has been complete and utter garbage as of late (1-3 with a 7.18 ERA and 1.63 WHIP in his last 7 games).

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  4. Basballfanno1

    4 years ago

    Still no championship for them rays beat them out

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Helps for next year too

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    • jpritch002

      4 years ago

      92-93…. back 2 back….

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  5. C-Daddy

    4 years ago

    Hot damn!

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  6. MyWhiteSoxAreDirty

    4 years ago

    Nice!

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  7. Franx

    4 years ago

    The crazy SoB, he actually did it

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    • Astros2017&22Champs

      4 years ago

      Jurassic park baby

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      • bestno5

        4 years ago

        Life finds a way

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        • jbeerj

          4 years ago

          They were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.

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  8. Maclunkey

    4 years ago

    Well that escalated quickly

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  9. andymeyer

    4 years ago

    Solid move

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  10. AKAINU

    4 years ago

    good for Jays!

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  11. ctguy

    4 years ago

    Excellent move for the Jays

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  12. vbcbpt

    4 years ago

    SWR – that’s gonna come back to hurt the Jays. Better hope we make the playoffs and we can extend Berrios!

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    • Prospectnvstr

      4 years ago

      He’s also signed thru next year (arbitration).

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    • jakethesnizake

      4 years ago

      Berrios has already stated his intent to go to free agency. So this is likely something TOR gets to enjoy thru the 2022 season. Good get tho.

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    • smuzqwpdmx

      4 years ago

      Maybe. But 6 years ago we were all talking about how much trading the great Jeff Hoffman would hurt.

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  13. BrewersMVP08

    4 years ago

    Padres front office in shambles. Snell and Darvish won’t get it done folks

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  14. Comrade Tipsy McStagger

    4 years ago

    Pads better hope that Musgrove continues to right the ship, that Darvish can pitch like he did the first half of the season, that Weathers can continue to grow as a pitcher, that Snell has a complete reawakening, and that Paddack continues to only give up three runs per six innings.

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    • Chief Two Hands

      4 years ago

      More and more Preller and the Padres in general remind me of the lyrics for the song “Swinging on a Star.”

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  15. Ted

    4 years ago

    Good. Jays are the perfect team to trade prospects for guys with 1.5 years of control. Their window is open, but no need to go all in for 2021.

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  16. mnsportsfan

    4 years ago

    Not too familiar with the prospects, how are they?

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Both project to be every day players with high ceilings

      Not gunna lie, losing SWR hurts a bit

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    • vbcbpt

      4 years ago

      Like our 2 best prospects. I could understand one of these two but both of them. Shatkins must be out of their minds. Horrible for the Jays.

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      • andymeyer

        4 years ago

        How is it horrible?

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        • georgebell 2

          4 years ago

          It’s considerably more than what they got back for Stroman, who was in a similar position to Berrios

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        • Dexxter

          4 years ago

          That’s it.

          SWR was one of the players they got for Stroman. But Martin is a much much better prospect than Anthony Kay was. Arguably he best prospect in last years draft.

          Heavy price to pay for 1.5 years of Berrios with this year looking likely to end without a playoff spot.

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        • Starvenger

          4 years ago

          It does feel like an overpay. But I suppose that’s what is going to happen if you want a guy for 2022 as well.

          Overall, I think Martin will work out nicely for the Twins. SWR has shown a bit of regression, so I guess we’ll see how he does.

          OK, now to scan the comments to see how much Shatkins haters are flipping out over this.

          .

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    • 0-3

      4 years ago

      yea, SWR is a tough loss but not a sure bet like all prospects (ie Pearson, hoffman). Martin has a high ceiling, hits for contact but lacks power, also is meh in the field right now. Big pay for a big haul. Jays desperstely needed another pitcher for next year and the FA market is thin

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  17. whyhayzee

    4 years ago

    What are they doing?!?!? There’s a bunch of big overweight home run hitters out there. Pitching?

    At least there’s an organization that gets it. Go Jays.

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    • Colt 45

      4 years ago

      one million % on the money

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  18. Dustyslambchops23

    4 years ago

    SWR and Martin is a big return. But this is beyond just this year, should be a fun finish to the year

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  19. Yarpyarp

    4 years ago

    what??? martin. are you kidding me???

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  20. dman07

    4 years ago

    Jays traded half of Stroman for Berrios lol

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  21. vbcbpt

    4 years ago

    Wait what – SWR and Martin – total overpay. Minnesota just raked the Jays. Horrible trade for Toronto.

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    • Golfsucks

      4 years ago

      Are you a major league or minor league fan?
      TO just bought an ace with team control and at minimum a high comp pick if he leaves.
      This is a great trade.

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      • HBan22

        4 years ago

        Nah, it’s definitely an overpay. Martin for Berrios alone would have been questionable. SWR and 2-3 more decent prospects should have gotten it done.

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  22. Rangers29

    4 years ago

    PADRES GOT BLUE BALLS AGAIN HOLY CRAPPPPPPP

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    • DT.J.B.

      4 years ago

      its still isn’t funny when you use caps lock. wierd..

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      • HBan22

        4 years ago

        WHAT’S NOT FUNNY ABOUT CAPS LOCK!?!?!?!?!

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      • filthyrich

        4 years ago

        THIS PERSON GOT CAPS LOCK FOR A USERNAME, MISSING AN ELLIPSIS, AND TRYING TO BE THE JUDGE OF WHAT IS FUNNY OR WEIRD,
        GET REAL YOU KNOCKOFF YANKOVIC!

        HBan22 GETS IT!!!

        ***Full on attempting a hilarious joke, it is terrible, I know, apologies to anyone unlucky enough to read this. Enjoy the rest of your day. Go Jays.***

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  23. jesset-4

    4 years ago

    I was really happy for about 5 seconds then they dropped Austin Martin and Im dead

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  24. aussiegiants53

    4 years ago

    Could be Austin Martin too

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  25. sampsonite168

    4 years ago

    The top pitching prospect with a 5.8 ERA in AA.

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    • refereemn77

      4 years ago

      Teams don’t measure performance using ERA.

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      • sampsonite168

        4 years ago

        If he had a 1.8 ERA instead of a 5.8 ERA, this trade doesn’t happen. Period.

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        • Taejonguy

          4 years ago

          Sam… you’re wrong as ERA is rarely considered as a measurement these days. kinda like using a sundial to tell time- it sorta works but there are far more accurate ways to measure.

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        • sampsonite168

          4 years ago

          The only person who had anything to say about how teams use or don’t use ERA to measure performance was refereemn77. Never participated in any such argument.

          What I am saying however, is that regardless of whatever advanced stats either corroborate or don’t corroborate his high ERA, the Jays would not have traded him if his ERA did not reflect his overall performance.

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    • Sky14

      4 years ago

      Also 20 years old and has a k/9 of 13. He’s not a finished product but those numbers suggest there’s lots of talent there.

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  26. 92jays

    4 years ago

    Not sure how I feel about giving up Austin martin

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  27. russell13014

    4 years ago

    Wow! If you’re a Seattle fan, can you imagine sending Kelenic and George Kirby (similar rankings) for 1+ years of Berrios? I applaud Dipoto’s restraint here.

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    • ballgawd

      4 years ago

      I never thought the M’s were serious contenders in this one. The price was always going to be too steep. I’m glad Jerry held back on this one too.

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    • hiflew

      4 years ago

      Did you see Kelenic play this year? I would be thrilled to turn him into an ace. Berrios is a proven ace in the league. Prospects are nothing more than names on a page until they prove themselves.

      Most times when you have multiple prospects being traded for an ace, the team getting the ace wins. Remember when Kyle Drabek + others was traded for Roy Halladay? How about when Justin Smoak was traded for Cliff Lee?

      Sure it can bite you like in the case of Erik Bedard to the Mariners. Or it can be a win-win like Zack Greinke to the Brewers. But for the most part the team getting the ace rarely regrets it.

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    • Harrymannback77

      4 years ago

      Yeah, Mariners can just continue to suck and not make the playoffs literally every year over a couple prospects who might never pan out. Dipoto is god awful at his job.

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  28. eli_b_wcl

    4 years ago

    Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson… wow. Talk about a massive W for the Twins.

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    • hiflew

      4 years ago

      Just names on a page bud. Just names on a page.

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      • Harrymannback77

        4 years ago

        Really good trade. Both teams win imo. Toronto can also get a comp pick back depending on how the next labor agreement shakes out.

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  29. MikeD26

    4 years ago

    Is Berrios more valuable than Turner? I think the twins got a better return than Washington.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      I would think so, there are plenty of available SS’s this winter and Turner is also at double the money of Berrios

      So I’d say in terms of trade value Berrios is more valuable

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      • MikeD26

        4 years ago

        Plus Scherzer.

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    • Prospectnvstr

      4 years ago

      Yes,Berrios is “more valuable” than Trea Turner, especially for the Blue Jays who don’t need (another) SS but they do “NEED” another #1/#2 SP.

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    • Wadz

      4 years ago

      Controllable young pitching is king in trade value.

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    • BleedingBlue162232

      4 years ago

      The Twins didn’t come close to getting a better return than Washington. Gray is only slightly less caliber than SWR and that’s based on rankings only. Meanwhile, Ruiz is hands down the best prospect involved in either trade because he’s a catcher that mashes from both sides of the plate and will be above average defensively.

      Think about how many teams don’t have even decent production from the catcher position…that’s why the Nationals pulled the trigger and why it still hurts for Dodgers fans, even getting Scherzer and Turner.

      Plus, the Nats also got a guy that could become a solid reliever and a guy that could become a solid 4th outfielder.

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      • Wadz

        4 years ago

        SWR isn’t even in the most recent professional top 100 list.. he’s sliding.. He’s not close to Gray.. and Gray is MLB ready..

        The other guys Nats got should also be in the majors soon.

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      • Harrymannback77

        4 years ago

        The Twins have two good catchers on the mlb roster right now, and lots of corner of’s, Ruizs other possible spot. So it’s relative to a teams needs also. So for them, Martin is far superior. Do your homework.

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  30. Franx

    4 years ago

    SWR and Austin Martin? What?

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  31. C-Daddy

    4 years ago

    SWR and Martin? There’s gotta be more than just Berrios coming then.

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    • vbcbpt

      4 years ago

      Oh didn’t consider that. PLEASE tell me there’s more coming back.

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    • MarkoRock68

      4 years ago

      Hopefully more going to the Jays. If not it is an overpay. Martin straight up is worth Berrios.

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      • WrongM

        4 years ago

        He’s a #2-3 level of starter, having a great season at 27 so there’s a good chance he’s trending up. The Jays gave up a lot but they got a lot. Martin alone wouldn’t have gotten it done.

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      • Prospectnvstr

        4 years ago

        MarkoRock68: What on earth are you talking about? Austin Martin hasn’t played a full season in the MINORS and you think he’s worth the same as an ESTABLISHED Top Of Rotation (TOR) arm like Berrios? Berrios,who is NOT a rental, he’s under control for next year as well. Could this EVENTUALLY become a “win” for Minnesota? Yes. However if Toronto gets to (wins) the World Series, it’d be worth for them.

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    • Dexxter

      4 years ago

      Man I hope so. That’s a big price to pay.

      I was hoping we could get him for SWR, Otto Lopez and Santiago Espinal. Guess I was off a bit on that one. Lol

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  32. Priggs89

    4 years ago

    Quite the haul for Minnesota

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  33. Nothing

    4 years ago

    Let’s go!!!!!! Not sure if it’s too late for the jays to come back this year, but next year we’re making a push!

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  34. Sideline Redwine

    4 years ago

    jays need pitching.

    But what have I learned over the past couple days? “A deal in place” means nothing anymore lol. Hoping the Rays swoop in…what a disaster this deadline has been (yeah, Cruz is great and all, but pitching.)

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 years ago

      Do you really, if this is the price?

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    • filthyrich

      4 years ago

      So confused that the Rays followed Cruz with trading away Hill and Castillo. At a glance, doesn’t make sense? Need to dive deeper, not sure I’ll find time to be honest! What in the Devil got in to those Rays! They still seem to find a way, consistently impressive.

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  35. Darthyen

    4 years ago

    NOOOO!!!! Anyone but Austin Martin. do they not see that of all the prospects they have only Martin has the “potential” to be be in the Stratosphere of Tatis Jr. Vlad Jr., Acuna Jr..

    I don’t care what they are getting they will not have the potential of Martin. Hope they change this deal.

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    • dman07

      4 years ago

      Jays got fleeced

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    • 0-3

      4 years ago

      nah brah, his ceiling is ain’t that high.

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    • Dexxter

      4 years ago

      I don’t know about that… but he’s certainly a great prospect. He doesn’t have the power to compete at those levels though. More of a contact compete for a batting title guy.

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    • hiflew

      4 years ago

      Oh yeah sure. That guy with a full 3 months of organized pro baseball should be considered the face of baseball in 5 years. All prospects always reach their ceilings and every one has always become a superstar. Man some baseball fans are just out there.

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  36. canyon2129

    4 years ago

    Wow. Twins get deal you dream about. Textbook haul.

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  37. 420ambassador

    4 years ago

    feels like the first trade deadline where preller was outbid on a few different occasions. kinda shiddy to have a trade deadline end like this for us padres fans….

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 years ago

      He wasn’t necessarily outbid on Scherzer, it could be that Max preferred LA to SD.

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      • 420ambassador

        4 years ago

        right, outbid might not have been the best word but i was somewhat considering preller not landing gallo as well, or if he misses on kimbrel which is a possibility too even though there hasn’t been as much traction like the others

        it just usually seems like preller gets his guys regardless. last couple days have seen a few uncharacteristic whiffs. it’s a bummer but it’s not as if the padres can’t still play good baseball down the stretch. but the reinforcements would have been really helpful

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 years ago

          I can understand that, but if this is the price on Berrios, did you really want the Padres giving up that much talent to add another starting pitcher who has minimal team control?

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        • Harrymannback77

          4 years ago

          Do they want to win now or be building for an eternity? If you’re scared to trade prospects blocked by established major league talent, you’ll never be better than LA or SF. Another fan who over values the unknown versus the known.

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        • 420ambassador

          4 years ago

          @harry

          who are you replying to?

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 years ago

          What prospects that are blocked by established ML talent do you think the Padres would give up that = what the Jays just gave up?

          If you think this trade would make them better than LA or SF (at least this year), you are over rating the padres’ roster.

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  38. TennVol

    4 years ago

    Noooooo! SWR is way too valuable! Pearson over him. 14 months of Berrios for 7 years of SWR? @$&# hate this for the Jays. SWR is incredibly talented and can be in your rotation next year. God almighty.

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    • phantomofdb

      4 years ago

      SWR’s value has dropped because he’s having a very poor year. So the current value isn’t surprising, but selling at a time of low value is, unless the blue jays think he’s not as good as they once thought

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  39. Dusty Baker's tooth pick.

    4 years ago

    That is a crazy price for the blue jays imo. Austin Martin is gonna be a star! Good job twins.

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  40. Oddball Hererra

    4 years ago

    Wow – Nationals got two top 50 guys for Scherzer + Turner (with, admittedly, some throw ins), Twins get two top 50 guys for just Berrios. Loving what the Twins are doing this trade season.

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    • Wadz

      4 years ago

      SWR isn’t even top 100 in BAs new update.. his value is in question

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      • Sky14

        4 years ago

        Fangraphs has him at 48, which is actually higher than Martin strangely enough.

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      • Harrymannback77

        4 years ago

        His cumulative ranking by all sites is still 50-60 range. Cherry picking one sites rankings is fun though, I guess.

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  41. Colt 45

    4 years ago

    The question at the end of today is who, if any among the contenders, increases team W/L% from this point on, attributable to deadline acquisitions.

    Prior to this, my thought was Yanks win an extra game or 2 because of Rizzo, Dodgers win an extra few because of Max’ pitching, and the BETTER pitching from other starters to do him one better.

    THIS, though, counters Yankees, IMO, and Jays gun for wild card slot, rather than Yankees.

    Tho obvs I have NO idea what will ACTUALLY happen in this future.

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  42. Aoe3

    4 years ago

    Take Woods Richardson, hasnt. done great when on the roster. Impressed by Atkins so far, anything more is bonus.
    Yes I know hes from the Mets. but kudos to our farm system continually producing talent.

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  43. holecamels35

    4 years ago

    Jesus, that’s a steep price to pay, even though they have him next season, hardly ever see teams give up multiple top 5 prospects anymore. Shades of the Chris Archer deal.

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  44. birdsfan415

    4 years ago

    twins fleece

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  45. ericl

    4 years ago

    As a Jays fan, I hate giving up Martin. I was thrilled when he fell to #5 & we drafted him. I feel like we will regret trading him in a few years

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  46. Kike Can of Corn

    4 years ago

    Glad the Sox didn’t pay that premium. Not even sure they have a position player comparable to Martin to make that move. Like the return for the Twinkies

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  47. MetsFan22

    4 years ago

    And just like that. The Yankees finish in 4th place lol.

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    • Colt 45

      4 years ago

      That’s my thought on this.

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  48. BrewersMVP08

    4 years ago

    Twins won this trade easily

    Hell of a return for them

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  49. Joel Peterson

    4 years ago

    Gonna wait until it’s fully announced. Richardson and Martin for Berrios doesn’t sound right at all.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Buxton too?

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      • Joel Peterson

        4 years ago

        Yeah you add Buxton I think that’s about right.

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    • Paul Miller

      4 years ago

      wondering if a bullpen piece is also going to TOR.

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    • Dexxter

      4 years ago

      Yeah. SWRs value is down though. Hasn’t had a great year.

      But yeah. I’m expecting to see a bit more coming to the Jays. Maybe a controllable bullpen arm. Or a lower level prospect.

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  50. wright1970

    4 years ago

    huge overpay by the Blue Jays!! wowww

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  51. amk1920

    4 years ago

    Trading Austin Martin is absolutely insane and so bad. They traded similar prospect capital than the Dodgers who are getting Max and Trea.

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    • Wadz

      4 years ago

      SWR dropped out of BAs new top 100.. his value isn’t peak anymore.. I do really like Martin..

      Controllable young pitching is king after all.

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  52. DarkSide830

    4 years ago

    wow that’s costly

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  53. bigdaddyhacks

    4 years ago

    So happy the Ms didn’t give up that much for him. I like him as a pitcher but I like my 1-6 prospects much more.

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  54. BartoloHRball

    4 years ago

    And there it is….the overpay that is going to look bad in retrospect. Berrios is a solid 3ish but more likely a 4. Giving up both of those guys is tough, but they are at least being aggressive and making it Win Now. I really like SWR as a prospect, which was why I disliked moving him when the Mets did it, but I understand why they did it.

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  55. Sky14

    4 years ago

    How did Minnesota pull off that haul!?

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  56. TennVol

    4 years ago

    WTF? I take back every good word I ever said about Atkins. SWR alone is too much for Berrios. Adding Martin is just beyond stupid.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      SWR does not get you 1.5 years of a cheap, proven #2 starter.

      Hopefully there is more coming back from the twins tho

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    • jimmertee

      4 years ago

      Frank it is a big overpay, so was Riley for Hand, but they got it done. Now they have a shot at winning..

      FYI, my thought is SWR doesn’t even make the big leagues as a starter, that was a terrible trade with the Mets. However, Martin is elite. That one is gonna hurt long-term.

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  57. phantomofdb

    4 years ago

    As a twins fan… I’m waiting for the hammer to fall to figure out why we are actually getting back decent pieces in return lol.

    Having said that, Richardson plummeted out of the baseball America mid season top 100 because he’s having a rough year, but Martin went UP. And I’m not sure where that puts Royce Lewis.

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    • WrongM

      4 years ago

      Lewis and Martin seem similar as top draft picks who are supposed to be able to play up the middle, and are maybe maybe kinda shortstops, but don’t have clear positions yet. It should be interesting to see what the Twins do with them both.

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      • dennymagnet

        4 years ago

        Martin & Lewis, I must be old

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    • Joel Peterson

      4 years ago

      Maybe the Twins are including Lewis in the deal. It doesn’t add up so far.

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      • phantomofdb

        4 years ago

        I think including Lewis would make this an overpay in the other direction

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  58. GB85

    4 years ago

    NOT happy about this trade, no way Berrios is worth that much.

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  59. Ya'll a bunch of salty crybabies

    4 years ago

    LOL! Poor Padres….always the bridesmaid, never the bride. How are you trusting Preller now? HAHAHAHAHA!

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  60. bosoxfan89

    4 years ago

    I just watched Martin play last week for the Fisher Cats. He’s going to do great out in Minnesota. Going to be a fun AL East race!

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  61. Altuves Buzzer

    4 years ago

    This would explain why there have been jays aren’t as high an Austin Martin as they used to be articles and rooters out recently. Prepping the base.

    Read/heard that the power has been nonexistent this year and he was starting to profile as a “good” utility guy…

    Seemed like an easy player to be a fan of and had a great attitude about Toronto, hopefully Kepler is squeezed in somehow.

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    • Murphy NFLD

      4 years ago

      Yea if Gurriel and Kepler are included that would be nice

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  62. District1819

    4 years ago

    My Nats got hosed. This is better return for than what Turner should have gotten straight up. Much less a first ballot HOFer on top of it.

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  63. BartoloHRball

    4 years ago

    The Bluejays regret moving Zach Wheeler back in the day, and they are going to experience similar regret moving SWR. As a baseball fan, I love the aggressiveness though.

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    • Cantor33

      4 years ago

      Lol….Syndergaard, you mean? Who was dealt for a 38 year old knuckleballer….not a 27 year old who can be re-signed and align with you competition window.

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    • MarkoRock68

      4 years ago

      Real hard for the Jays to regret Wheeler they never had him . Wrong Mets pitcher.

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  64. chrismilwaukee

    4 years ago

    I can’t believe how many people on here just whine and complain about EVERYTHING.

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  65. redsfrontoffice

    4 years ago

    Poor Padres

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  66. Cantor33

    4 years ago

    Unless Rogers is being thrown in too, this is a bit of an overspend.

    Considering just a couple years ago, a likekind pitcher in Stroman was dealt for SWR + Kay.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Did stroman have 1.5 years? I can’t remember how much term he came with

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  67. Reuven

    4 years ago

    As good as Berrios is, and as much as the Jays needed to add a quality starting pitcher, Berrios is only controled for one more season. That makes the price an overpay unless they are able to resign him (and/or unless there’s another piece coming over from Minny).

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  68. RoyalsFanAmongWolves

    4 years ago

    And he’s finally out of the AL Central in fact he was actually scheduled to pitch tonight for the twins against their opponent but now the twins will have to find someone else to take that spot. I seriously doubt he’ll already be in the Blue Jays rotation this weekend, (that’s where the Royals are headed this weekend). So, hopefully the Royals are now never going to have to face him again until next year.

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  69. Thesecondjamie

    4 years ago

    This is the first time in a while I can say it’s a sellers market. 2016 is the last deadline where teams were constistently giving away multiple top ten prospects. Maybe I just feel that way bc AA from my tigers has been giving away HOFers for 16 year old nobody’s for years.

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  70. Faith in the Padres

    4 years ago

    Woods Richardson and Austin Martin. Nice return for Minnesota.

    Good for the Jays. Yankees and Redsox went and got hitters. Jays beefing up the rotation. Should be a fun final 2 months watching them and the Rays.

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  71. Rsox

    4 years ago

    Berrios is 9-9 lifetime against the AL East (2 of those wins are sgainst Toronto). 6-0 against the Orioles and 0-5 against the Red Sox. So a fairly mixed bag of results. Hard to say how much Berrios pushes the needle for the Blue Jays

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      We don’t play the Red Sox much down the stretch!

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    • Orel Saxhiser

      4 years ago

      Berrios has a history of running out of gas in the second half.

      Career numbers before the all-star break: 3.65 ERA, 1.108 WHIP
      Career numbers after the all-star break: 4.77 ERA, 1.409 WHIP
      August: 5.57 ERA and 1.526 WHIP in 135.2 innings.

      I like what Minnesota got in return. Two live prospects for a guy who is ready to go south if patterns hold. If either guy pans out, the Twins did well.

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      • jimmertee

        4 years ago

        Cey, SWR is MEh, terrible deal for the Jays from the Mets. However Martin is elite. He will pan out for Minn.

        The Jays overpaid but they got it done.

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  72. everlastingdave

    4 years ago

    Man. Even when the Twins are bad and they sell, they still scare me. Good haul for Cruz, absolutely insane haul for Berríos.

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  73. dope092316

    4 years ago

    Blue Jays lmao! Wow they over paid but still they ain’t making the post season, what a waste.

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  74. dshires4

    4 years ago

    Jays better win the World Series in 21 or 22 because that return is asinine.

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  75. beersy

    4 years ago

    So the Padres need to get on the horn with the Rangers to try and get Gibson & Kennedy or pivot with the Twins to try to get Maeda and Rogers? If they can’t get the #1 they were looking for, an innings eater and another addition to the pen will have to do.

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    • Faith in the Padres

      4 years ago

      Padres have a few option in addition to those

      go get Morton, Martin, and take a chance on someone like Kyle Wright as a reclamation project.

      go after Davies and Winkler from the cubs

      go get Gray and a RP elsewhere.

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      • beersy

        4 years ago

        With Braves brining in Rosario and Duvall just now, doubt they will be selling.

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  76. Bjoe

    4 years ago

    Blue Jays got fleeced

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  77. Grade_1_teacher

    4 years ago

    I hope that this goes better than Michael Young for Esteban Loaiza

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    • hiflew

      4 years ago

      Yeah it would be much better that it turn into Kyle Drabek for Roy Halladay.

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    • filthyrich

      4 years ago

      Jeff Kent for David Cone!

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  78. allweatherfan

    4 years ago

    People are acting like the prospects are already stars. They aren’t now and may never be. Don’t overvalue prospects.

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  79. Steviefigs

    4 years ago

    Good trade for both sides. Martins gonna be a stud

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  80. Mrsuntan

    4 years ago

    As a Rays fan i say thanks for keeping him away from the sox or yankees. But what they thinking? They need to go 40-20 and expect the rays AND sox to play 500 ball in order to make playoffs. And dont forget the yankess

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    • filthyrich

      4 years ago

      Exactly what they thinking!
      Really just need one of Rays, Sox, or Athletics to fall off.
      Plus finish a bit better than Yanks and Mariners.
      Difficult, not impossible!
      40-20 would be the sweet starting point.
      Ryu and Ray have pitched very well. Berrios, plus two of Manoah/Matz/Stripling down the stretch could go 40-20 or 20-40, gonna be fun. Need a few bats to wake up and the offense could help make it a bit easier. The bullpen is looking major league now. There’s some hope brewing and a ‘montage’ type stretch on the way, feel it.
      Kudos Rays fan. Hate/love watching the Rays when they play the Jays. Regular season only, playoff matchup was mostly just sadness.

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    • MarkoRock68

      4 years ago

      Mrs
      Being a Rays fan you likely dont know this but at the 2015 deadline the Jays were 6 out. The Jays run differential suggests they should have 6 more wins now. With a weak schedule for the remainder of the season claiming the a Wild card is well within the realm of possibility.

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  81. Oxford Karma

    4 years ago

    That’s a great trade for Toronto. 2022 they are a force.

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    • Mrsuntan

      4 years ago

      It was a major over pay for a team that wont make the playoffs. Reminds me of the infamous deal pirates/rays Glasnow, meadows, and Baz for Archer. But as a Rays fan thanks for keeping him from the Sox and Yankees

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      • filthyrich

        4 years ago

        Reminds me more of the Jeff Kent for David Cone deal.
        Who cares what you give up if it gets you a WS title.

        Rays are a shoo-in for playoffs right now?
        Athletics?
        What makes you so certain Rays fan?
        As a Jays fan, thanks for refusing to sign Morton.

        The Red Sox and Yankees get it. Jays are starting to get it again. Really wish the Red Sox would spend a bunch of decades forgetting again. But right now, this battle is going to be fun. Jays finished 8th last year. Made a ‘playoff’. Fighting for a spot 5-7th this year and a strong core building up to battle for top 5 next year.
        Enjoy your time at top for now Rays fan. Not gonna be a cakewalk to stay up there. Another team finally back in the mix.

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  82. phantomofdb

    4 years ago

    Just realized SWR is on the Olympic team. Kinda crazy to get traded when you’re out playing in the Olympics. Can’t imagine too many guys can say that.

    It’s also 2AM in Tokyo

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    • Baldkid

      4 years ago

      I believe the TWO players the Twins got from he Rays for Cruz are both in the Olympics as well.

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      • raef715

        4 years ago

        one of them pitched against Israel in opening win.

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        • Mrsuntan

          4 years ago

          Yes he struck out 2 accountants and an investment banker

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      • captainskol

        4 years ago

        Only one pitcher we got from the Rays is in the Olympics. Joe Ryan and he had a great start and win for team USA today.

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  83. mookiesboy

    4 years ago

    Glad Mets didn’t match that!

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      Could they have even matched ? Lol

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  84. Dustyslambchops23

    4 years ago

    Okay here’s my thoughts.

    I really like Berrios, he will fit in well with the team and moving either Matz or Stripling to the pen will also be a boost for this year.

    This was a premium price to pay though, but let’s not forget twins didn’t need to trade him so it was going to take them winning the deal to make it happen.
    Also;
    – Perhaps scared of SWR’s lack of progress and figure Manoah was already better
    – Worried about Martins lack of power and a set position (blocked by Bo and Springer)
    – Trust in Groshans , Orelvis monoah and to a lesser extent Pearson

    The farm is still good but the jays need to play well and be a legit WS contender next year to make this deal seem even

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    • Dexxter

      4 years ago

      Agreed on all of this. SWR isn’t as can’t miss as most people think…. But he’s still a great prospect. And Martins lack of power is a concern…. But he’s a consensus top 20 prospect in baseball for a reason. Bat to ball skills are off the charts.

      Making this trade means next year better be a competitive one. With Ray and Semien heading to free agency the Jays better be ready to spend there too if they want this trade to be worth it.

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      • MarkoRock68

        4 years ago

        Maybe that is why they were comfortable moving Martin, they plan on extending Semien. Now bring up Smith for a good look so we know what our off season need at 3b will or will not be.

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          MarkoRock68, No concern re Berrios’ awful second-half numbers? This is when he usually goes south.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          4 years ago

          He’s nearly doubled his IP before the all star game vs after so the stats aren’t even.

          However that doesn’t dismiss your running out of gas comment.

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        • filthyrich

          4 years ago

          They move from awful to bad when you factor the dread that was his rookie second half stats. Fun with numbers. Robbie Ray has some pretty concerning stats in that timeframe too, but he has earned some major trust with his recent renaissance.

          Any career stats for Berrios will probably look poor considering he is having a career season. Finally blossoming would be the hope but you do bring up a fair area of concern. Maybe he’s not built for the full grind.

          He does always make his turn in the rotation. Not very common. He’s 27 now, might be ready to build on this career season.

          Impossible to not try to compare, but one point, adding here, but probably a better fit elsewhere…. anyway, Stroman had missed a season and a half due to injury in his career at time of trade and was just coming off a shoulder/pectoral scare prior to that, which makes it difficult to truly compare the returns of two pitchers in similar contract status. One only missed a half season due to there being a short season. Some minor reasons to let this trade grow on us as Jays’ fans.

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        • MarkoRock68

          4 years ago

          Pete Walker seems to work wonders with some starting pitchers. Plus Berrios might just be on an upswing coming into his prime. Not like he is 35.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        I would say they need to back this trade up with landing Kimbrel, if this is the trade to say ‘we’re here’ then we need to fill some other holes this/next year

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        • filthyrich

          4 years ago

          Top closer, not quite Kimbrel, but in 2012 he wasn’t far off, Soria decent consolation!

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  85. sportsguy033

    4 years ago

    I like the return for Minnesota but even if Toronto can’t re-sign berrios they’ll get a supplemental first round pick for him following next off season. That has value too.

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  86. Moneyballer

    4 years ago

    This just proves that the Padres will trade all the organizational depth they have but simply will not trade the elite chips. If they fall short in the postseason, this fact will be why.

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  87. kingken67

    4 years ago

    Can someone at MLBTradeRumors get the link to the correct Austin Martin in this story? The one being traded is playing in AA for Toronto, not this kid who is still in college that they have linked.

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  88. TennVol

    4 years ago

    I thought the worse fleecing in a trade so far this year was the package that Tampa paid for Nelson Cruz. Atkins just laughed and said “hold my beer, let me show you what a real fleecing looks like’.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      You’re being really irrational about this Frank.

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  89. MarkoRock68

    4 years ago

    Jays returning home and mgmt giving the players a huge vote of confidence like this. One of the easiest schedules over the last 2 months. Things should be interesting.

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  90. ilikesports

    4 years ago

    Damn, this return exceeds my expectation for developed talent. Now let’s ditch Kepler, Pineda, and Donaldson (for a bag of chips) and invest everything in pitching this off-season.

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    • firegibby

      4 years ago

      I heard the Jay’s asked about JD and he said no

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  91. James Ryu

    4 years ago

    Ugh I don’t know how many years Bertie is in control, but they have gave a lot in return

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  92. Ted

    4 years ago

    Link is the wrong Austin Martin btw.

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  93. James Ryu

    4 years ago

    Toronto gave too much ugh

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  94. YourDreamGM

    4 years ago

    Even trade. Seems like a lot because of the high prospect ratings but I think these guys are over ranked. SWR doesn’t look like top rotation and they haven’t figured out his control yet. Martin isn’t showing much power and we just seen what Adam Frazier brought back.

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  95. bravesfan

    4 years ago

    Wow… seems like they didn’t quite give up enough in my opinion. That said, why would the jays make this trade? The jays aren’t out of it, but my gosh to trade away some key farm pieces for a 1.5 year rental doesn’t make a lot of sense to me in their current position. Idk. Just me and my opinion.

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    • Ted

      4 years ago

      Jays aren’t as young as you think. Ryu, Springer and Teoscar are old, and the youth is here now. The window is open and you can’t just stockpile prospects for next year. Gotta go for it at some point.

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  96. jdgoat

    4 years ago

    The emergence of Orelvis Martinez made this possible. Controllable top of the rotation pitching ain’t cheap.

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    • filthyrich

      4 years ago

      And Espinal a bit? Working his way into the future plans a little bit more each week.

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  97. LordD99

    4 years ago

    Berrios fades. Good pitcher as long as you have him in the front half of the year.

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    • Orel Saxhiser

      4 years ago

      I posted his first-half/second-half splits elsewhere. I was surprised by all the interest in him. If either guy pans out, a big win for the Twins If both do, a fleecing. Berrios in those AL East ballparks in August and September. Yikes.

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  98. jessejr1984

    4 years ago

    Gotta love the Dodgers fans who should be celebrating today instead focusing their energy on hating on preller and the Padres.

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    • semut

      4 years ago

      We’re capable of multitasking, don’t worry.

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  99. Golfsucks

    4 years ago

    Great trade!
    This is a an extra year of an ace and at minimum a high comp pick if he leaves.
    They gave up some good prospects, but really not as much as I thought Minnesota would ask for. This is a steal.
    Maybe, there is more to this trade.

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 years ago

      Berrios is only an Ace if you use that term to describe the best pitcher on every single staff in baseball. He’s a 2 or a 3 on a good team.

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      • NoRegretzkys

        4 years ago

        And he’s behind Ryu and Ray in Toronto so he is a #3

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        • Golfsucks

          4 years ago

          You lose your ace status based on the rotation that you are in?
          So I guess Scherzer is no longer an ace cause LA has Kershaw or vice versa?
          This guy is a number one who would never have been available if Minnesota wasn’t 43-60.
          He was doing what he did just this year on that terrible team.
          Those prospects with all of their potential haven’t stepped foot on a mlb team and currently aren’t in a position to carry Berrios’s jock.
          He’s an ace.

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        • wreckage

          4 years ago

          He’s a TOR pitcher but not an Ace. An Ace is elite. Berrios is very good, but not elite. I am a twins fan and been watching him for years. He will fit in nicely on the Jays as a #2. Like he was these last 2 seasons in MIN. But if you expect him to carry the team like an Ace can/does, you are gonna be disappointed.

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        • filthyrich

          4 years ago

          I wish there was a sport to follow where players improved as they matured.
          Scherzer was brought up above, wondering about his pre and post age 27 stats.

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  100. bucincharlotte

    4 years ago

    Excellent trade for both teams!

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  101. crshbng

    4 years ago

    They are prospects, Berrios is established. Good move for my jays

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 years ago

      That’s some really basic thinking. Prospects, though not established, still hold value. Many of them hold more value than players that are, “established”.

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      • crshbng

        4 years ago

        Yes, enough value to get an established player

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    • Mrsuntan

      4 years ago

      No it’s not you have almost no chance to make the playoffs unless you think the soox and rays are gonna fall off a cliff and then you still have to worry about Oakland Seattle and the yankees

      Reply
      • MarkoRock68

        4 years ago

        Dont look now but Rays best pitcher gone for rest of 21 and likely all of 22.

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  102. garth16iorg

    4 years ago

    Should’ve kept Martin and gave up Biggio.

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    • MarkoRock68

      4 years ago

      Jays may have offered him and Twins said no.

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    • jdgoat

      4 years ago

      Something about those values doesn’t exactly add up.

      Reply
      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        Agreed I was waiting for another piece

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    • jimmertee

      4 years ago

      I agree trade Biggio over Martin all day long.

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    • wreckage

      4 years ago

      No one wants Biggio.

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  103. agerst1574

    4 years ago

    I cannot believe the Mets could not have topped what the Blue Jays gave up for Berrios. They needed another pitcher desperately.

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    • gorav114

      4 years ago

      Could not have topped? Toronto gave up two really good prospects, one a pitcher and other has potential to be 4-6 WAR players for many years, tough deal to beat.

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      • KCJ

        4 years ago

        No, don’t think that would have gotten topped by a better offer

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  104. 30 Parks

    4 years ago

    Berrios is a great pickup. The Jays are steadily moving forward.

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    • Mrsuntan

      4 years ago

      How you just gave up 2 very good young players with almost no chance to make the playoffs this year that doesn’t make a lot of sense it’s like the infamous pirate raised deal where the pirates got Archer and the rays got glassnow meadows and and Shane baz

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      • filthyrich

        4 years ago

        How many World Series did that trade end up getting for the Rays?
        They’re not the Marlins. They might never play that game as good as the Marlins.
        Being 2nd best at doing it is still truly quite impressive.
        The Jays haven’t been top 2 in any way for decades.
        But they’ve been best before. Pirates have as well. Won and lost trades are minor compared to won and lost titles.

        Some of us Jays fans still remember those Championship years.
        And a lot more saw highlights and re-broadcasts of those years during covid times before the shortened season begin.
        We don’t care about building an impressive system at all times, there is a balance involved and sometimes a need to strike. That time is right now. Straight out of the Astroball blueprint that this regime seems to be following. This is the Jays version of the Verlander trade. The fans want unforgettable and one of the next three years really feeling like it could happen.

        Best of luck Rays, truly sad to hear about Glasnow, next man up, as always. Four team race is for real!

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  105. Paul Griggs

    4 years ago

    This could end up being a bad trade for both teams. Berrios tends to tire in the second half of the season and the Yankees absolutely crush him. He is a good pitcher with amazing ball movement but he doesn’t seem to miss bats as much as I would expect with his ball movement and three (maybe 4) strong pitches. I guess the SS prospect will replace Lewis as their SS of the future and Lewis will move to 3B to replace Donaldson. I hate to see Berrios go–he reminded me of Pedro Martinez while not being the all-world pitcher that Pedro was most of his career.

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  106. David Barista

    4 years ago

    4 days ago: Twins are “absolutely not” in a rebuild…

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    • Baldkid

      4 years ago

      if you are out of the wild card and you get offers you can’t refuse or believe that players want to test free agency, why not trade them?

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    • Sky14

      4 years ago

      Well when someone is willing to make an offer you can’t refuse..

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  107. jim stem

    4 years ago

    If you are a Blue Jays fan you have to be excited about this organization. They are pushing the AL East envelope and forcing the Rays and Yankees to keep up.

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    • jimmertee

      4 years ago

      No one is forcing the Yankees to do anything. They do what is right for the Yankees without anyone else influencing them.

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  108. jimmertee

    4 years ago

    Martin for Berrios is a big overpay, so was Riley for Hand, but Shapiro and Atkins got it done. They put on the big boy pants. Now the BlueJays have a shot at winning..

    FYI, my thought is SWR doesn’t even make the big leagues as a starter, that was a terrible trade with the Mets and Stroman. Good on the Jays to trade SWR. Been saying that for 2 years.

    However, Martin is elite. That one is gonna hurt long-term.

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    • C-Daddy

      4 years ago

      Martin didn’t really have anywhere to play on the Jays – the middle infield and centre field are blocked for the foreseeable future.

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      • MarkoRock68

        4 years ago

        Berrios with his age is a prime extension candidate as well.

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      • Airo13

        4 years ago

        He’s probably capable to play anywhere on the field…

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  109. Dorothy_Mantooth

    4 years ago

    Berrios is a great addition but Toronto gave up too much talent for 1.5 years. I guess Toronto not only has to pay more money to sign free agents, they also have to pay more in prospect value to get trades completed too. These two were cornerstone building blocks for the Blue Jays. Sure, you don’t know how they will fare in the majors but a Top 20 overall and Top 50 overall prospect is a very steep price to pay for 1.5 years of a solid #2 starter. He is not an ace by any means.

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    • jimmertee

      4 years ago

      SWR is not a cornerstone building block for any club.

      Martin is elite and that one will hurt for years.

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    • Cora the Destroya

      4 years ago

      Agreed, career 4.01 FIP.

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    • Darthyen

      4 years ago

      Dorothy why would Toronto have to pay more in prospects than anyone else? I get the free agent thing with money but prospects? You make a trade, player has no say in if they want to go (unless they have no trade to that team) nor do they have the ability to control any amount their current team would receive in return, prospects or otherwise. Also other GMs would really not have any reason to command more from Toronto because of who they are.

      So not sure where you were going with the “pay more in prospects” comment.

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  110. Cora the Destroya

    4 years ago

    Not sure how much the Jays gave up, but this guy has a career 4.01 FIP. Not terrible but not an ace. I’m not sure this will help them down the stretch.

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    • jimmertee

      4 years ago

      Other than Ryu and Ray, the Jays don’t have reliable experienced starters. Berrios will definitely help them. Now they have a shot at winning when they didn’t before acquiring Berrios and Brad Hand, Cimber and Richards.

      I’d give the Jays Mgmt a ‘A’ for this years trade deadline.

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      • Poppin' Balls

        4 years ago

        It’s nice to see you being so optimistic

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  111. MarkoRock68

    4 years ago

    Sounds like Chatwood was designated to make room for Berrios.

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    • Darthyen

      4 years ago

      Why Chatwood and not Castro or Jansen really does not make much sense.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        Who cares

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  112. Airo13

    4 years ago

    Makes no sense. I would be pissed to lose Martin for this if I were a fan

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    • dasit

      4 years ago

      you’d be pissed off that your team is trying to win?

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  113. KCJ

    4 years ago

    Holy crap….that is a HUGE price to pay. I understand Berrios is good and everything, but you’re giving up that much for a chance at a wild card and how many more years is Berrios signed for? Some of these deadline trades shock me with the meager return, and then some shock me for the haul received. Minnesota did pretty good here it seems

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  114. Bigpumpa

    4 years ago

    Ya the jays always giving up to much should at least been one more player coming for the twins. The other trades u see going on they are giving up nowhere near the same. Will hurt them down the road hope it pays off.

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  115. Bigpumpa

    4 years ago

    Just have to resign him plus ray now

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  116. OilCanLloyd

    4 years ago

    Good acquisition Jays. Gave up a lot, but Toronto has to overpay to get premium talent to come North in offseason. So, the Jays take players hostage under current control or contract. Buhrele, Donaldson, Tulo…etc. It’s the Jays way.

    2022 could be an all in year for Toronto. Wouldn’t be surprised by another big move beyond this year.

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  117. dasit

    4 years ago

    assume there are blue jay fans pissed off about this deal but this seems fair to me. be excited that your team is going for it!

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      No one should be pissed now. Be pissed in 4 years if anything

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  118. Mario93

    4 years ago

    Interesting deal …. wouldn’t have mind to see Martin stay with us, and hold down 2B next to Bo for years to come.

    Woods Richardson has a lot of talent, especially for his age. Jays gave up a lot to get Berrios imo. Two future mainstays for the twins imo.

    But the Jays needed pitching though, they got it with Berrios. A durable arm, who will give the Jays some much needed help.

    Me personally, I don’t think I would’ve done this deal..Only reason is because I doubt the Jays make the playoffs this season, I think they should’ve done their trading in the offseason. And trade the Biggio’s, and possibly Groshans of the world.

    Trading Martin means Semien will probably be resigned, or Biggio, gets to mend 2B next year. And me personally I don’t want Biggio to start at 2B, defensively he’s not good enough imo.

    Groshans may get a shot next year at some point to mend 3B? Who knows … can’t forget the Austin Martin is a Scott Boras client, and if he plays well early, which is very likely, we’ll be having to pay him more then the minimum he’d be under for his control years.

    One thing I really like about this trade is that Berrios is still under control for next year.

    A lot of things going on here, so excuse my erratic thoughts.

    It’s definitely a win for the Jays in the present moment, going forward though, twins may have won this one. Time will tell.

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    • Murphy NFLD

      4 years ago

      As a jays fan the prospect look like they will pan out to be good players looking at them today. If they end up being that it is an over pay unless Berrios resigns. Wgeb i heard the trade went down i hoped they only included 1 of SWR, Martin and Groshans.

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  119. NoRegretzkys

    4 years ago

    The same people complaining they gave up “too much” for Berríos are likely the same who said the trade return for Stroman (SWR+) wasn’t enough either. So obviously the return for Stroman was significant enough to use that capital to land one of the most coveted arms available on the market this year.

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    • rovssss

      4 years ago

      The Stroman return was fine. This package is bonkers.

      Both Woods-Richardson and Austin Martin project to be better than Berrios.

      Plus, they are cost-controlled for 14 years or something stupid. We definitely got played.

      But I’m done losing sleep over Ross Atkins.

      Whatever.
      We got a guy…

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  120. Jal179

    4 years ago

    As a Jays fan, I’m still reeling from this overpay. I would love to know if Shatkins let all 30 teams know that Martin and SWR were available for a controllable #2 SP.

    If they were willing to do this deal July 30th, then why not make it six months ago? I

    As disciplined as Shatkins have been, this feels like a panicky chips all in move, one year too early.

    If they don’t resign Berrios and make the playoffs this AND next year, they will regret this deal. SWR’s stock has regressed a bit but Martin’s bat to ball skills are elite.

    I’m so disappointed that I’m actually a bit sad.

    I just KNOW those two prospects could have fetched a great starter with more years of control but we overpaid on a frenzied day. Total Shatkins panic move which is so unlike their usual corporate BS tone.

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    • Jal179

      4 years ago

      I’m not sure who represents Berrios but I’m trying to project what his 2023 FA contract will be (assuming health and career norm performance to date).

      I’m thinking 5-6 years at 125-140 million (25 mill AAV ish?). If I were the Jays, I’d try to lock him down now but curious of others thoughts…

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      • Baldkid

        4 years ago

        Twins tried to “lock him down”, he turned them down each time. I don’t know the years or dollar amounts, but obviously, he did not sign a long term contract.

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      • wreckage

        4 years ago

        He wants to change the market for the 2nd tier SP market. He’s a top of rotation SP, but not an ace and he wants to take that tier to the next level. Good luck locking him up to a team friendly deal.

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    • smuzqwpdmx

      4 years ago

      When was the last time an ace with more years of control was traded?

      I’d have to say Martin’s total lack of power with a wood bat so far is a little concerning for a 22 year old who should be fully filled out physically. If the power doesn’t show up his ceiling will be low, especially as he’s not a defense guy. And 2019 was the only year he showed any power in college.

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      • filthyrich

        4 years ago

        Quintana for two top prospects perhaps?
        Jimenez & Cease.
        .

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          4 years ago

          That’s similarish, but Quintana was having a bad season at the time of the trade (which turned out to be correctly indicative of his decline).

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        • filthyrich

          4 years ago

          He did give a .500 team a nice boost which certainly helped them reach playoffs at time of trade. His CWS results going into the trade definitely didn’t seem to downgrade the return very much. Sign of how much teams tend to value a pitcher that makes every start in my opinion.

          His following 2 years were ok. Would not be thrilled if Berrios trade ends up being similar in result to the Quintana trade. Hoping more for a Verlander type result. Really dreaming there. Mostly hoping he doesn’t break, as pitchers tend to do.
          Go Jays!

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        • filthyrich

          4 years ago

          Also, Quintana definitely never an ace.
          Verlander might be the last Ace traded with multiple years remaining?
          But if we’re gonna look for a lower case, ace, then Darvish isn’t a bad comp to Berrios. The higher price of the contract diminished the return, making it difficult to compare still.
          Stroman, durability and attitude questions diminished the return as well.
          Boston trade for Sale could be considered, but he’s more Ace.
          Can Berrios take that next step is the biggest factor. Excited to watch.

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  121. Camden453

    4 years ago

    The Jays are out of it this year so it’s essentially Martin and SWR for 1 year of Berrios. Terrible, terrible trade for the Jays

    If you’re going to blow any top prospects you need at least 3 years of control for it to make any sense

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  122. MarkoRock68

    4 years ago

    The Jays have about 70-75 million coming off the books this year. Use that to extend or re-sign Ray-Berrios-Semien .

    Position Players will be just about set with the exception of a lefty bat.

    Rotation for next 2 years
    Ray-Berrios-Ryu- Manoah plus maybe Pearson .

    Pump payroll by $20 million and spend most of it on the Pen.

    2022 payroll- 160-165million

    Lopez-Groshans-Taylor-Moreno promoted to AAA
    Smith- Capra AAA pushing in Spring Training for a Roster spot.

    Move Bo to 2nd, Semien back to SS
    Espy starting 3B , Biggio utility

    If Biggio can restore the value he had in 2020 use him as trade bait for a young pitcher with control .

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    • Jal179

      4 years ago

      I think your summary is spot on. If ownership increases payroll by 15-20%, I think they aggressively try to resign both Semien and Ray. I don’t think they’ll move Bo off SS but I do agree that Espinal is starting to look like a viable 3B despite lacking the prototypical power. Although the clubhouse would hate it, moving Biggio for another arm could make sense although by dealing away Martin they probably don’t have a quality utility player left.

      Again, I can support this trade only if they are able to resign Berrios or another ace type like Nola in the 2023 FA period.

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