The Yankees will move Gleyber Torres from shortstop to second base, manager Aaron Boone announced to reporters Monday (Twitter links via Bryan Hoch of MLB.com). The move is designed “to take some pressure off” Torres. Gio Urshela has the day off Monday but will get reps at shortstop down the stretch, beginning tomorrow, with DJ LeMahieu playing third base. Tyler Wade is at short today, with Torres at second.
The Torres decision comes a day after he made his 18th error of the season and his fourth in the past week at shortstop. Defensive metrics are down on Torres’ work as well. Defensive Runs Saved has him at minus-12 on the season, while Statcast’s Outs Above Average pegs him at minus-8.
There’s been talk of moving Torres off shortstop for some time now, but that chatter has picked up considerably since the beginning of the 2020 campaign. Torres made nine errors in just 320 innings at shortstop last season with poor defensive ratings as well. However, the Yankees stuck with him at the position and instead focused their offseason efforts on retaining LeMahieu and finding affordable arms to round out the pitching staff without exceeding the luxury tax.
Torres’ defensive struggles this season had already fueled speculation that the Yankees will be players in the offseason market for shortstop help. Today’s announcement from Boone would seem to cement that likelihood, as the Yankees don’t have an immediate heir-apparent who is knocking down the door to the big leagues. Anthony Volpe has broken out with an enormous season in the minors, but he’s still just 20 years old and has yet to reach Double-A. He could be an option by 2023 or 2024, assuming good health and continued production.
Urshela has limited experience at shortstop and is regarded as a solid defender at third base, but he’s not likely to step up as a long-term option there. He’ll turn 30 next month, making him older than a number of the free-agent shortstops set to hit the market this winter, and his offense has taken a step back in 2021 as well.
Corey Seager, Marcus Semien, Carlos Correa, Trevor Story and Javier Baez are all slated to reach free agency this winter, and it’s certainly feasible that some names will pop up on the trade market as well. The Yankees have about $130MM committed to next year’s payroll, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez, and an absolutely enormous arbitration class — headlined by Aaron Judge. Each of Gary Sanchez, Jameson Taillon, Joey Gallo, Chad Green, Urshela, Jordan Montgomery, Wandy Peralta, Luke Voit, Torres, Clint Frazier, Domingo German, Miguel Andujar, Clay Holmes, Jonathan Loaisiga, Lucas Luetge and Wade will be arb-eligible as well.
There will be some non-tenders and trades of players in that group, inevitably, which will lower the cost of that sizable class. The Yankees also managed to duck under the luxury tax in 2021, so they won’t be facing any penalties in 2022 — although with the CBA expiring, we can’t know precisely what the next iteration of the competitive balance tax will even look like. Regardless, it’s hard to envision a scenario where they slide Torres back to shortstop in 2022. It seems quite likely the Yankees will factor prominently into the offseason shortstop market, exploring high-end free agent options, short-term stopgaps for Volpe and creative alternatives on the trade market.
For the time being, the Yanks will hope that the new defensive alignment helps to turn the tides after a dismal 2-8 showing in their past 10 games. They’re currently one game back of the Red Sox and the scorching-hot Blue Jays, who are in a tie in the Wild Card standings. Both the Mariners and the A’s are just two games behind the Yankees.
The Yankees want to make him a shortstop, but he is a second baseman. He plays better as a second baseman then a shortstop. I guess the Yankees will try to address that position in the offseason by signing a shortstop. There are to be many free agents Correa, Baez, Seager, Semien, Story and others.
Torres came up as a SS. It’s not like the Yankees were playing him out of position.
Lots of guys “come up” as a SS. SS are usually the best players on a high school and college team. Doesn’t mean they can field the position at the MLB level.
Is this foreshadowing for the NYY to hop on the big SS sweepstakes of 2022?
Right, and Theo didn’t see Torres as a longterm SS which is why he didn’t value him as one in the Chapman trade.
What Theo saw was he had a chance to end a hundred year championship drought and the Cubs already had Baez at SS.
@dobsonel So true. I’d put Lux in that category. Longer-term I don’t think he plays SS at the MLB level. He’s at best a below average SS glove.
I think it was probably still Russel at short stop at that time, wasn’t it?
Everyone is a SS until they’re not. Torres was not a SS 3 years ago. Gotta thing the Yanks are eyeballing Correa.
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Actually@Steve Nebraska, Torres played 87 of 94 games at SS for high A Myrtle Beach for Cubs organization 3 years ago.
They eyeballing Correa hard, like let us get that mouthy WWE premidonna in pinstrips
The Cubs had Addison Russell at short, Baez was at second.
Right.
The Yankees opening-day 2022 SS is not currently on the 40-man roster.
Actually, Addison Russell was suppose to be the Cubs long term SS but he had other plans
He SUCKS at short! The whole thing has been a train wreck from day one. Face it, he can barely play 2nd & if his bat doesn’t come around & quick as Michael Kay would say, “See ya!”
lmao he’s never ever been a “shortstop”. Ever. Not from a skillset/evaluation POV. Yankees just tried to fit a square peg into a round hole for some reason.
Miguel Sano came up as a SS too
Francys01 – You’ve just parroted (almost verbatim) what the post was about. Do you have a point?
Thank you. That’s exactly what I thought from such an odd comment.
Clearly, he read the headline and then commented. So many people are too lazy to actually read the article and just want to jump to making a comment because they have to share their wisdom.
@lars macdonald….you said “wisdom”……..Now I have my first after work beer (Two Hearted Ale) snorting out my nose….Love the comment
Great beer!!
Thumbs up, Love me some Bell’s brew…
Thumbs up, Love me some Bell’s brew…
He actually played his best defense at 3B when they first called him up. Probably because 3B is so instinctive. Less time to think. I’d put him at 3B and leave LeMahieu at his more natural 2B.
They should have traded Urshela while his stock was high. Now, he’s hitting like Urshela again.
Hindsight is 20/20. How many wanted urshela traded when he was hitting?
TopJimmy, Gleyber has never played 3B for the Yankees.
Not at the major league level but he played just as much 3B in AAA as he did SS for the yankees minor league system (17 games at 3b and 12 games as SS) so he has some upper league experience at 3B. He actually had more games at 3b in total vs 2b in total in the minors.
He did in AAA, @Badfinger. But not in the bigs.
For all practical purposes, he has never played 3rd. That doesn’t mean that he couldn’t learn the position, but he last played 3rd in 208, and that was only 7 starts. 187 innings, spread out over 5 years, is pretty meaningless.
My bad. I could’ve sworn he got a call up back when they had DiDi at SS, but I guess I confused it with his 3B play in the minors.
I wonder if they strike out on all of them and end up going with Oswald Peraza until Volpe is ready. He’s been overshadowed because of Volpe’s dominance but he’s had a big breakout in his own right and is closer to the big leagues.
Otherwise I don’t know if any of the SSs you mentioned besides Seager and Semien (who I think plays 2b the rest of his career) will be worth their next contract. Not complaining if the Yankees make a mistake with one of the others.
Story’s home/road splits are extreme. He’s been about league average away from Coors.
Whoops that reply was to another post.
EVERY Colorado player has extreme splits while playing in Colorado. Are you new to the site? It doesn’t mean anything!
Internet experts who read data and consider themselves enlightened GM’s said the same about DJ and Arenado.
Arenado’s offensive numbers have been merely above average since leaving Colorado. Much in line with…his old road stats.
DJLM is a whole different animal where a guy who never had any power anywhere suddenly figured out how to hit it out of the park.
Aside from DJLM, no other hitter has blossomed after leaving Coors, which, in science, is what we call an outlier.
It’s the whistling.
Matt Holliday seemed to do alright. At least according to the eyeball test….
That Peraza is the real deal.
Article ignored Peraza season, could go with a utility type to start the season then bring Peraza up.
Peraza also is already on the 40 man roster. Volpe will not be eligible for the Rule V draft this year so they won’t add him to the 40 until sometime next year if/when they are ready to call him up.
Volpe is a year or a year and a half away. The smart move is to bring in a short term answer, someone a year away from free agency in ‘23.
Exactly
Why do a recap of what was already said? This happens alot in comments on websites and I don’t understand why. Maybe people read, and then think what they read was their original thought?
Hope the Mets don’t sign Baez. He and Lindor are troublemakers. They need to be separated.
Cubs fan chiming in…. Baez is the troublemaker and Lindor is guilty by association. If the Mets want to sell tickets, sign them both. If they want to win, keep Lindor and move away from Baez.
They have no choice but to keep Lindor.
What are you talking about?
You are not a Cubs fan, if you were an actual fan you know Baez is not a troublemaker.
I’m not saying Baez is a bad guy but he was on the Mets for like a month and already caused some trouble with the thumbs down thing so…
Baez would help NYY set some lovely strikeout records!
The mets will make the move that makes the least sense
Be in on every major free agent, miss out on all of them, extend James McCann for five more years.
I remember in the offseason when fans claimed McCann was worthy $70 million for four years. Good times.
I think they get kris Bryant. Now that iit no longer requires Cubs taking on pieces of zero use to them like jd davis and or dom smith !
Were these the same fans that gave ellsbury 7 yrs 150+ million or maybe said what a steal Hicks was at 70M ?
Do you need help? Did someone hurt you to make you this dense?
Lindor was well loved in Cleveland by everybody. So he goes to NYM and he’s a trouble maker? That just might make an unbiased fan wonder if the problem is with the Mets.
I heard from plenty of Cleveland fans that had problems with Lindor. I took it mostly as sour grapes but your assertion that he was well loved by everybody is totally false.
It is NOT totally false because YOU heard from PLENTY of Cleveland fans. Between sports news and YouTubers, it’s been expressed many times how loved he was in Cleveland.
Well, to be fair, you said “everybody”, so technically, yea, totally false. But as I mentioned, I took it as more sour grapes than legit criticism so I mostly agree with you in spirit. He does seem like a likable guy.
It seems there is a point between us that may be an agreeable compromise. =)
My bet is they will go after Seager (lefty) now that the Dodgers have Turner.
I doubt it. Seager is constantly injured and that’s the last thing the Yankees need. He also probably needs to move off of short soon and, while much more sure handed than Torres, isn’t that much better of a defender overall. If you haven’t seen much of him, he’s huge, and outside of Cal Ripken guys his size almost always have to move.
The guy they need and should have gone out of their comfort zone to get is Story, whose power is heavily to right (like his buddy LeMahieu) anyway. I have no idea why they went and got Rizzo (for a pretty decent return) instead of Story.
Seager being injury prone is a bit exaggerated. 2018 was the only year he missed significant time with a serious injury. This year he missed time due to a hit by pitch to the hand. Also as the post suggests, the Yankees currently don’t have a long term answer at 3B either. Seager could play SS initially then move over to 3B when Volpe is big league ready
Availability is a skill, and most injury prone guys get different injuries and it all seems fluky at the time. It’s not. It’s how he’s put together and moves. He ain’t getting healthier the older he gets, especially at his size and that position. Although he is a fantastic hitter. I bet someone convinces him to move to third this off-season, or possibly the Dodgers convince Turner (the original one) to move to first.
Having your hand break from a hit by pitch does not mean you’re injury prone. That could happen to any player at any given time. His one significant injury that wasn’t a a freak accident was 3 years ago
Not every player necessarily breaks their hand when hit by that pitch.
COSMO true but a weak take. Seager is a below average SS. Lacks range, quickness and arm accuracy.
Yeah you’re right, maybe Corey Seager just has weak bones in his hands
all true, but there are guys who just seem to have a lot of freak injuries i.e. nick johnson. ellsbury is another example and the yankees got seriously burned. it may not be fair, but i would hesitate to give seager the 10/300 he will probably end up getting. in the unlikely event that the yankees decide to take advantage of their competitive advantage ($$$), i expect them to target semien and story (who are also better defenders)
So every player reacts exactly the same when hit by a pitch? Give me a break. (No pun intended).
Suggesting that Seager’s hand broke because he’s injury prone, an unsubstantiated claim, is ridiculous. Considering how hard pitchers are throwing these days I wouldn’t be surprised if injuries due to HBP become more common
Cosmo2
So every player reacts exactly the same when hit by a pitch?
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Yup, probably pretty close. I assume heavy weight lifters probably have slightly better bone density, but I assume that an accident that breaks my finger, would probably have broken your finger as well.
I’m not suggesting anything other than that he MIGHT be injury prone. It’s not an unsubstantiated claim, it’s a suggestion of what could be possible.
Joe, a couple years ago Bartolo got hit square on the finger by a raging line drive. Looked awful. He stayed in the game and was fine. Not everyone reacts the same in such situations. I disagree with your assertion. A hit to a bone could cause a fracture in one person but not another.
COSMO lots of variable involved that you don’t seem to take into consideration.
Speed/velocity of the pitch at impact.
Angle of impact. Possibly spin rate.
Area of hand exposed.
Where on the hand/wrist the impact initially occurred.
Weather might be a factor.
Corey Seager has been playing in the big leagues since late 2015 and only had one major injury that was a cause for concern. That should paint a pretty clear picture that he’s not injury prone. An injury prone player is one that is constantly getting hurt
Injury prone: Aaron Hicks, Byron Buxton
Not injury prone: Corey Seager
One thing is for sure and that’s the fact that Cashman will botch the whole thing up.
Dodger, absolutely that’s kind of my point. Other variables are how tensed up or loose the player is when they get hit, their instincts etc. lots of variables. Again I’m not saying he IS injury prone, I’m saying exactly that you never know why or when a player gets injured on a particular play.
Seager had been injury prone but this year it was due to being hit by a pitch. He seems like a steady 0.850+ OPS, 25-30 HRs type of hitter on a full season which is a plus at SS. His defense has actually been better this year, at least in terms of cutting down on errors. He’s been quite smooth and consistent. Actually moves pretty well for a tall guy. I think he loses some of his value if you shift him to 3B in regards to relative bat value. Will be interesting to see what the Dodgers do with him. He is Boras represented but loses some leverage due to so many good SS in the open market and Trea Turner trade.
Dodgers will need to make sure that Trea is committed to signing with the Dodgers if they decide to pass on Seager. I’m not sure how much Seager likes it in L.A. and wants to stay. Always a possibility to move Seager to 3B. Or maybe Trea goes to CF with Bellinger’s struggles.
Trea is under control next year.
Dodgers will resign Seager.
Probably because Story was taken off the market by a dense Rockies FO?
Uh because they have no production from the left hand side, because Voit is dh playing first while Rizzo is very good, and because the Rockies made it clear they weren’t trading anybody iare the answers to your. One of the two guys they traded for Rizzo is a 24 year old pitcher who hadn’t yet pitched in AA and they wouldn’t have room to protect on the forty
Honestly, NYY should see what KC would want in a deal for Mondesi. Sure, he’s as injury prone as it gets, but if the new strength and conditioning regime has managed to keep Judge and Stanton healthy for most of the year, it can’t hurt to at least inquire. And by the time he’s a free agent, Volpe will likely be ready for the show. Also, I’m surprised the Yankees haven’t really tried Gleyber at 3B. It would be far less demanding than SS and would “take pressure” off Torres.
They have Urshela at third who is better at that position.
Yeah but with their intention to move Urshela to SS for the remainder of the season they should just leave DJL at second since he’s a far better defender there than Gleyber. Urshela’s able to play SS at a passable level for the rest of the season. Either way, I guess after this season ends, Gleyber’s future in NY is an open question
Urshela is the new SS.
obviously, he won’t struggle and make a lot of errors and misplays.
I am enjoying this new Yankees brain trust that figures cycling their fielders to new positions will teach them to play better defense. It can’t be that they are all prepared for this move, it’s just the only thing they can do at this point to hope to change their luck like the guy at the casino who rotates his socks just because it’s the only change he could think of at the moment.
there should be a fit here… Start with Andujar, maybe Cortes or Gil., Voit sounds fair or Loisagna or Luetke… Yankee Royal trades are a big part of baseball history…
Why would they make a trade with all those good SS on the free market this off-season?
Any trade would probably start with both Voit and Gil. Andujar is probably a throw-in at best at this point. But they’d make a trade like this if Steinbrenner wants to pinch pennies, which could very well happen. Plus KC technically has 3 MLB caliber shortstops right now
Honestly, the primary issue I’d have w/ Torres is what happened to his power? 7 HRs in 400 ABs.. NY doesn’t have the ability to give him a few more years and see if they can fix this – my guess is he gets traded this offseason.
His ISO has been close to .200 in the 2nd half, so although the HR haven’t shown up yet, he seems to be demonstrating more normal power for him.
He’s 24. I’m amazed at the eagerness to trade him when his value is so low. You don’t have to pencil him in for 600 at bats in 2022. At a bare minimum, he can lefty caddy someone and pick up additional starts giving other infielders a day off. Entering the season, he was a pretty safe looking bet for a large handful of 3-4+ win seasons throughout this decade. Overcorrecting would be a mistake.
You very well may end up correct but I don’t see the Yankees going this route. The Yanks are always in win-now mode and I just don’t see turning him into a platoon guy and a backup infielder is going to work. He just makes too much sense to end up in a trade for a mid-level starter.
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I’m amazed at the eagerness to trade him when his value is so low.
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As I’ve said elsewhere, I think the NYY made a mistake extending DJLM, when he and Torres play the same position. They should’ve either let DJ walk, or traded Torres.
But since that ship has sailed, they’d be crazy to trade Torres. As a RS fan, I’d be glad to gamble on him. Even throwing out the juiced 2019 season, he still had a very good 2018, at age 21. And he handled himself pretty well in AAA at age 20.
I don’t know what’s wrong, but the talent is definitely there.
the 38 HR season was 2019 with juiced balls (Gardner hit 28 HR that year too) and a lot of those were against Baltimore at Camden Yards into the first 2-3 rows in the power alley (doubles at most other ball parks). without the juiced balls, Gleyber has warning track power. once in a while he will get ahold of one but his HR swing he opens up too much instead of staying inside and hitting line drives up the middle and the other way. the 7 homers this year are low because he played through some injuries and also had a bad case of covid. his numbers will probably be around where Derek Jeter’s were (15-25 HR a year) but without the high on base percentage and base running speed (getting infield hits and turning singles into doubles).
A poor defender at short for the Yankees. Sounds familiar.
Two generational players with no support. Sounds familiar too.
Well played.
BMI = 27.0, overweight, let’s put him at shortstop. A lot of other teams have done that as well. Maybe that’s the new normal. Like hamstring pulls and calf strains and Achilles tears and knee injuries and ankle sprains and ego bruises and whistling on the base paths.
why BMI has little do with most athletes and was developed as a marketing tool.
BMI is ludicrous. If you are muscular you will have a high BMI.
Javier Baez, Francisco Lindor, Marcus Semien, Corey Seager, Dansby Swanson, Brandon Crawford, Wander Franco, Xander Bogarets, all of them are considered overweight by BMI, and all of them have extensive time at shortstop in their careers. Most of them have stayed healthy as well.
I agree, some of those guys are not that much above 25 and some are higher. I’m talking about likelihoods, and I believe likelihoods increase with BMI. There’s probably a too low BMI as well. Of course there are exceptions and shortstop is maybe the best place to find them because of increased athleticism at that position. I stand by my premise that there is a relationship between higher BMI and increased injury, it’s been studied substantially. I believe it to be a factor in the noticeable increase in injuries this year along with last year’s light season.
It probably more has to do with the sudden start, stoppage, and then restart of baseball and workout activities in March through late-July in 2020 as well as players not getting a full season last year and then being thrown directly into a full season this year rather than BMI. BMI doesn’t take into account muscle, which weighs more than fat. If you have a decent amount of muscle, you’re BMI will be high. BMI isn’t a good measure when you’re looking at athletes. It’s good if you’re just trying to lose weight.
But they do look at athletes and they know that higher BMI is associated with higher injury rates. There probably is a slightly higher threshold for athletes but not that much. My body fat was between 8% and 10% when it was being measured in my thirties. When I was lighter (185-190) it was lower then when I was heavier (195-200). I’m 6’2” so I’m right around the 25 threshold. I basically put on 10 pounds, mostly upper body, to play baseball in my thirties. But I’m sure it was not 1 pound of body fat, as it’s very hard to gain weight and maintain the same body fat percentage. The problem is that as the body gets heavier, work load is harder. Some body parts don’t change (ligaments, for example) and yet they bear greater strain to perform. Heart and lungs can only improve to a point and get blood and oxygen to muscles at the rate required. Otherwise, muscles break down and injuries occur. Ability to stay hydrated is finite as well. Adding to the load for all these components merely increases the chance of failure, leading to injury. That’s my take.
Teams used to be willing to keep an automatic out in the lineup if he was a good fielding shortstop. Even in today’s homer-happy league it’s still important have a SS who is at least average with the glove. Sure you can be a contender without one, but to me it’s still a significant need.
I said this on another post last week and I’ll say it again. The Yankees should target both of the Seagers, assuming Kyle’s option gets declined. Corey can play SS until Volpe is ready and Kyle can play 3B in the interim. Urshela would become a utility player who could start at 3B against lefties and come in as a late inning defensive replacement
Just wish he could hit again so I could sell all the grades rookies of his that I have
Torres has never really been a SS. I think he might have one minor league season where is fielding % was much above ~ .950. I think they were hoping that his offense would make up for his poor fielding. The .849 OPS in his first two seasons, makes his errors a lot more palatable.
That said, they needed to make this decision last winter. Had they decided that Torres was really a 2B, they could have jettisoned DJLM. Instead, they talked themselves into believing that Torres was a SS, and signed DJLM to age 37 contract.
Without the DJLM contract, they’d have an IF of Voit, Torres, and Urshela for $13M. That type of cost control would’ve made it a lot easier to pay for a real SS.
The Yankees always overhype young players. I don’t know how many “the next Mickey Mantle’s” have come up in their organization. Torres was supposed to be another Jeter. There’s enough pressure playing in NY without someone trying to put you into the HOF at the age of 21.
Many teams overhype their players in case they need to use them for future trades.. What do you expect a team to say, “Look away, our prospects stink.”
I always have to explain to the RS fans, that hate the RS, that teams do not overhype their prospects. Organizations like BA, MLB, FG, BP, etc., rank the prospects independently from the organizations they belong to. If Torres was ranked #6 by BA, that is because BA ranked Torres #6, not because the Yankees called them up and asked them to rank Torres #6.
“Thank you for calling Baseball America. Please press the number that you would like your prospect Gleyber Torres to be ranked. (Pause) You pressed six, is that the correct number? (pause) Thank you rating your prospect and saving us time. Have a wonderful day.”
As a Yankee fan, specifically commenting on your statement that Torres was suppose do be the next Jeter……NEVER heard that at all…..not in any NY tabloids or chat rooms…….fake facts from barelybreathin!
Gio Urshela, DJ LeMahieu and Anthony Rizzo make up the best defensive IF position players in MLB. Gleyber Torres’ bat doesn’t justify keeping him in the lineup. This is why Thairo Estrada should’ve never been sold. Andrew Valazquez may be the Yankees best option.
Are you kidding? Best infield position players in baseball?
Are you trying to say each is the best at their respective positions or collectively no team has three better?
Either way it’s silly.
Have you seen Arenado and Chapman? St Louis alone have a better trio but individually there are many better.
The best defensive team in baseball might just be the Padres. Machado, Tatis, Cronenworth, and Hosmer. Definitely top 5.
Please, check Tatis fielding metrics at:
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/fernando-tatis-jr-665487?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlb
TC:305 Errors:20
Ie.
Statcast Outs Above Average
STL IF trio is not better defensively than NYY trio. STL OF is very good too.
However, moving other players to their secondary positions just to accommodate Gleyber Torres’ bat makes no sense.
^a yank fan but not a baseball fan.
Wrong on both accounts.
This is insane. He’s def gonna be moved to the OF next year.
Where is he going to play with Judge, Gallo, Hicks, Stanton, Wade, and Anduljar? Moved off the team is the likelier scenario.
Well first of all Frazier is gonna get traded and then when they move Hicks for BULLPEN HELP it’ll make alot of sense.
Traded for who? The reality is possible that Frazier may never be able to play again. Moving Hicks who is coming back from surgery is going to require eating some salary. Why not just sign a reliever instead and see what Hicks has left?
Just a speed bump on his way to the HOF – some Yankees fans.
Urshella is batting 133 in his last 15 games he can have a seat
Torres an Sanchez value is down but now Yankees and fans are willing to package those two for another teams best player preferably a top 10 even top 5 one !
Future Hall of Famer status still active.
Yankees not signing any top free agents SS. DLM was a questionable resign and was brought back to satisfy most fans. I personally like DJL but not for 6 more years. Gio having a down year but not ready to give up on him. If Yankees let Rizzo walk it’s a mistake. Stanton needs to go and keep Voit. I’d trade Stanton to Texas they are ready to take on Salaries and spend money
The Yankees give guys 90 million dollars because they want some of their fans to be happy? Wow those fans who spend enough dollars to get a vote ought to get more press about what they are thinking the club should do for upcoming moves. I hope other teams don’t influence the fans to make bad decisions for the franchise. That would be a great security loophole if those fans were ever compromised in their grip on what’s really happening.
mlbnyfan is quite out of his depth on this one.
Trade Stanton to TX! You know he has a full no-trade?
If anything Voit may have to go if you keep Rizzo. Voit has been hurt quite alot in the last three years.
If anyone needs to go it’s the following, and in this order: Cashman and Boone; Heaney; Gardner; Odor; Nelson (in minors); Hicks; Voit
I would not have a problem with the following also going but I wouldn’t mind giving them one more year: Sanchez, Torres,
Overall, to me the main things the team needs is speed and more starting pitching.
What catcher ae you getting to replace Sanchez is the reason why Sanchez and Higgy will be back. I agree with all your other guys, need to go although me its Boone more than Cashman and add one of Urshela or Gleyber won’t be there and for the love of God Brooks Kriske.
One that can hit over 200.
Not quite as rare as you think.
Do you have any understanding of the very complicated term
No Trade Clause ?
That’s what I thought.
@mlbnyy DJLM was a 4-year deal spread out to 6 for luxury tax purposes. Yankees still have Voit if Rizzo walks. Do you really want another expensive, long-term deal for a player over 30 in Rizzo? And no Rangers aren’t taking on Stanton’s contract unless top prospects are packaged. DH’s are pretty easy to find. If the NL adopts it, his market further dwindles.
But even spreading out creates an issue for later on. Plus, imho, it makes him difficult to deal with in years 5 & 6. I don’t think he will look good at age 37, and I don’t think they will be cutting him.
@JoeBrady It definitely does and I don’t expect much in years 5 and 6 even before the season started. However, I can see them cutting him or he becomes the infield Brett Gardner.
Supply and demand classes are available online.
If the nl adopts the dh more demand equals higher prices.
BTW – Stantons no trade clause is why he never goes to texas.
Stanton’s contract is why he will finish his career as a Yankee.
What Adjustments Can They Make With Gleyber Torres,So That He Becomes A More Gold Glove Caliber Shortstop,Instead Of Continuously Booting The Ball & Throwing It Away?
How Much Of An Upgrade Would Carlos Correa Be Over Gleyber Torres?
What Team Should They Trade Gleyber Torres To,If They Were To Do So,To Make Way For Carlos Correa?
That is as likely as a few adjustments to Tyler Wade’s swing so he can become Barry bonds.
This way not be a popular opinion but I think the Yankees should get rid of Torres. His production this season has been completely unacceptable and it’s looking like he will never be what we were hoping. Perhaps a trade centered around him and a few other prospects for Ohtani. I highly doubt Ohtani will want to stay with the Angels who have been nothing but a laughing stock the past few years. If he came to the Yankees he would be the face of baseball.
Ohtani would start with a package starting with any other teams top player plus their best prospects. It’s not going to get done with guys coming off down years. If you want Ohtani, Judge plus others would be an Angel.
Here it goes Yankees fans are willing to package Torres, Sanchez and since he’s not looking good lately gill for any of the very best players in all mlb
Yeah I am not giving up Judge. They are lucky to get Torres lets not forget he was a top MLB prospect very recently. I would say Torres, Sanchez, Hicks and throw in another pitcher. They will be getting a lot in return I doubt they would pass up a deal like that. 4 for 1 its a no brainer.
Are you trolling, or do you actually think that’s realistic? Quantity isn’t that important when those pieces lack quality.
You are so not close. Hicks and Sanchez probably have a combined negative value. Their combined bWAR is 0.6, and they make $17M.
That’s just sad unless you are a troll.
Good god man shake your head. Seriously to get ohtani the package would make you weep. Sanchez, Torres, top 5 prospects still wouldn’t make it happen.
Judge, Torres and Sanchez wouldn’t come close.
Judge is a superstar player I personally think hes better then Othani but Othani is having a career year. I wouldnt pay peak value for him and give up judge and others. It dont make sense. I would give up just about anything else but Judge would be off limits.
Yes he’s clearly a troll. This is the same person who got everyone in an uproar around the trade deadline when they suggested the Royals trade Merrifield to the Yankees for Frazier and Andujar. It seems their trolling has worked once again
Stop.
It’s possible he’s just very very stupid.
Ohtani CHOSE to play for the Angels when every MLB team was pursuing him. The Angels aren’t trading him and he has not expressed a desire for a trade.
Things change over time. He probably didnt realize how bad the Angels were when he signed there. There is no indication they are turning it around anytime soon so whats the point for either party? Angels should do a complete rebuild get rid of anyone and everyone with a big contract. I dont know about trading Trout that would be a tough one but hey everyone has a price.
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Things change over time. He probably didnt realize how bad the Angels were when he signed there.
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Yeah, Japan doesn’t have newspapers or the internet.
The angels have been bad for generations. Do you actually think he didn’t know how to use Google?
And their sub 500 record was too complicated for him to understand because Asians are notoriously bad at math.
@SY I agree that the Angels are a team which flirts with and always fall short of contention. First and foremost, they want to sell tickets and Ohtani is a big draw. His cost is minimal compared to the value he brings. Until Moreno wants to push all of their chips in (or sign a few good pitchers), Ohtani isn’t going anywhere nor is Trout.
Hahahahahahaha. Are you kidding?
I’m a Yankees fan and that’s ridiculous. No wonder everyone hates us.
Ohtani chose the angels. It’s where he wanted to be. So unless you can physically move new York to the left coast forget it.
And what prospects? 1 to 20 and throw in judge?
Most Japanese players who come over chose the west coast is plain and simple, flights to Japan is closer by about 3 hours compared to Eastern area. There are newspapers in Japan both English and Japanese that covers MLB. There are internet sites that covers MLB in Japanese as well.
I seriously doubt the Angels would try to trade Ohtani. Both he and Trout are about the only positives for the Angels. Other than those 2, the team stinks.
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How about Walsh?
Seager is not healthy but he would be my choice because he’s a lefty. Yankees originally should of kept Didi. Lefty bats help balance a lineup. Didi was also a good contact hitter. Getting Stanton instead of Yelich was the mistake. Yankees were upset when Ohtani chose Angels and needed to make a splash
Seager is actually healthy. He missed about half the season this year due to getting hit on the hand. His numbers this year haven’t been as good as last year’s regular season on a short sample plus the playoffs when he absolutely raked, taking home MVP for NLCS and World Series. He’s at his best when he lays off the low breaking pitches and hammers pitches up in the zone. Has doubles-leading potential and 25-30 HR power. At Yankee Stadium he’s probably 30-35+ HRs.
I’m sure they could get Didi back cheap.
Sure was smart to send Velazquez down right before this decision.
fwiw gleyber has always looked much more comfortable at second base. in 2018 he looked like an above-average defender (eye test disclaimer)
Keith Hernandez had the line of the year on Friday night’s Mets broadcast when he said that the Yankees defense was Pepe Le Pew.
Different position same subpar bat
Bo Bichette of the Jays is the same. How long before he gets moved to 2nd?
For the time being, the Yanks will hope that the new defensive alignment helps to turn the tides after a dismal 2-8 showing in their past 10 games.
“Ok, you’re standing over here now.”
And the rest was history.
Well, this IS the year to be shopping for a free agent shortstop ! Go Yanks ! Open that checkbook after resetting your penalty tax. Let’s do this this off-season! And maybe a starting pitcher or 2 or 3.
I hope the Yankees sign Baez I heard New York fans love him lol. I’d love to see the booing that will occur in Boston after Baez practically begged fans not to boo. I know he’s coming as a Met but it will be totally different as a Yankee he deserves it
Torres and Urshela up the middle sounds like a nightmare, but Cashman doesn’t really care too much about defense, so no worries.
Yankees should have moved Jeter as well after he slowed down
Trollers gonna troll. Don’t you get tired of being a clown?
I wonder if they can trade Gary and Gallo or if they just release them.
they should have left him at second base and re-signed Didi through this year so they can replace him with this year’s free agent class and traded Tyler Wade…. same as 2002, they should have kept Tino at 1B and DH’ed Giambi (where he ended up anyway) and traded Nick Johnson for pitching.
The Yankees have Volpe and Peraza coming so I don’t see the point in spending $20-$30 million a year for one of the stud free agents.
They can get by with an old school type who bats .280, can take a walk, bunt and play solid defense. A clone of Concepcion, Bowa, Belanger, Kessinger.
However I suspect Cashman will find someone who bats .180, strikes out 190 times but has a high launch angle, exit velocity of 110+ and last played short in little league. So basically Joey Gallo will play short next year.
Well, Seager does make sense long-term if they consider his play at SS for a few years, until Volpe or Peraza is ready (ready being the operative word).
By then, Seager will likely be ready to transition to 3B, where we will need a capable player.
Moreover, if history is any indication, they will go after Story because he will cost substantially less, unless Cash & Levine like Seager, in which case he will attain the $300mm club membership. Plus, don’t forget that it’s not all about offense as people are noting on Story above. He’s been one of the best defenders at SS in recent years, has power, ability to hit for average, and and he’s got speed.
In terms of Volpe/Peraza, the likelihood of both continuing their outstanding performance in MLB, and relying on that two-to-three years down the road isn’t very logical for a championship contender.
As an aside, Seager was a diehard Yankees fan growing up, so don’t be surprised if the interest is mutual (think Cole) and he chooses them over the rest of the group. Story was also a lifelong Yankees fan for what it’s worth.
For How Long Do The New York Yankees Need To Stay Under The Luxury Tax Threshold,In Order To Reset & Be Safe From Those Penalties,Does It Go Away,After The Regular Season Comes To A Close?
For How Long Do The New York Yankees Need To Stay Under The Luxury Tax Threshold,In Order To Reset & Be Safe From Those Penalties,Allowing Them To Open Up America’s Biggest Vault & Spend Big On Free Agents,Does It Go Away,After The Regular Season Comes To A Close?