The Mets have declined their option on manager Luis Rojas, per a team announcement. Decisions on the remainder of the coaching staff are still pending and expected in the coming days, according to the team. Rojas managed the Mets from 2020-21 under a two-year contract that contained a pair of club options for the 2022-23 seasons. He’s been offered a different position within the organization in a “yet to be determined capacity,” the Mets added.
“The entire Mets organization is grateful for the dedication and devotion that Luis has exhibited over the last two seasons as manager,” team president Sandy Alderson said in today’s press release. “He has shown a great commitment to the Mets over many years in multiple capacities. These decisions are never easy, but we feel a change is needed at this time.”
Rojas, who turned 40 last month, unexpectedly was elevated from quality control coach to manager after the team abruptly parted ways with Carlos Beltran in the wake of the Astros’ sign-stealing scandal. Beltran, who played with the Astros during that 2017 season and was named in the commissioner’s report at the conclusion of an investigation into the matter, had only been hired as skipper just months prior and did not manage a game with the Mets. Rojas had previously coached and managed in the Mets’ minor league system in addition to time spent as a manager in the Dominican Winter League.
The son of three-time All-Star and 1994 NL Manager of the Year Felipe Alou, and the half-brother of six-time All-Star Moises Alou, Rojas is a baseball lifer who’ll no doubt have ample opportunity to continue his career in the game whether he takes another role with the Mets or looks outside the organization.
“I want to share such heartfelt gratitude to so many in the Mets organization for not only the last two seasons as manager, but for the last 16 years in a variety of roles,” Rojas said in a prepared statement of his own. “In each and every position I held, striving for excellence was our daily mission. I will always hold the relationships and friendships, developed over the years, dear to my heart, and am forever grateful to have been able to wear the Mets uniform for so long. We live in a results oriented business, and am deeply disappointed for our staff and fans that we didn’t reach our goals this season.”
The Mets went 103-119 under Rojas, missing the postseason despite significant playoff aspirations in each of his two seasons as skipper. Injuries played a notable role in the failures of his club, and like any manager, he was oft-criticized for bullpen decisions. Rojas surely didn’t do himself any favors with his handling (and apparent lack of knowledge) of the Javier Baez “thumbs down” debacle, however, and as talk of sweeping changes throughout the organization continued to mount over the final weeks of the season, Rojas appeared to be on an increasingly hot seat.
With Rojas’ ousting now official, the Mets will remarkably begin their search for a fourth manager in five years. Terry Collins enjoyed one of the longest tenures of any manager in recent MLB history, but since the Mets moved on from him after the 2017 season, they’ve cycled through Mickey Callaway (fired and later reported to have committed repeated acts of sexual harassment during his tenure), Beltran (fired before he managed a game) and Rojas (out after two seasons). The Mets will also be in the market for a new baseball operations leader — their fourth since Alderson initially stepped away for health-related purposes in July 2018.
The sun is shining at Citi Field.
The Mets will be looking for a new manager. Ron Washington wants to manage again. He was one out from winning the World Series and he took the Rangers to back to back World Series. Also, he has done an outstanding job with the Atlanta Braves as a coach.
Ron Washington isnt getting hired again, being a manager while taking coke is a bad look
If LaRussa can get hired to manage again, so can Washington.
His impropriety isn’t sexual deviancy (though he admitted to an indiscretion), so I’m sure your front office wouldn’t favor him anyway.
#RyanEllis #MickeyCallaway #JaredPorter #DavidNewman #JoeDevito
LOL I think you mean taking coke while being a manager
I respect it more than cheating, but here we are with managers that have cheated in charge.
As a braves fan id take wash over snickers easily.
As a Braves fan I can’t understand the segment of the fanbase that has all of this loathing of Snitker. They’ve won multiple division titles with him at the helm.
It’d be cool to see Wash get another coaching chance if he wants it, but I wouldn’t take him over Snit in Atlanta.
Crackhead!
Go to Pinecrest in Charlotte and ask them the difference between crack and coke. I’m sure they’ll give you some good info for free.
evidently theres a difference between coke and rum and coke
I hear Clint Hurdle is throwing his hat in the ring.
no coke,pepsi!
Snitker has spent his entire adult life in professional baseball. Those fans have spent their life watching the games on TV in between trips to the fridge.
I’d also like to see Washington get another chance, so long as it’s not for a dumpster-fire organization. He’s in a good spot right now with the Braves organization. He gets to work with some talented young players, which is kind of his forte. I know, I know. Some Braves fans hate the organization, too.
@Cey Hey
No dumpster fires for Washington?
So, who are my Padres going to bring in?
Hashtags! This self-righteousness is serious!
Mike Sciosia.
It’s a point-of-emphasis much like you’re using exclamation points, considering the site isn’t even set-up for hashtag usage.
No fries, chip
Because his game management is spotty. They could/should have won at least 1ws
Why would Sciosia take a demotion?
@Metsin7
Because no one ever makes a mistake in their lives.
Remember that verse about casting the first stone, no probably not.
You only have to see what Washington has done with the Braves infield, one of the best infields in ALL of baseball, all because of Washington’s coaching and instruction-that is what is called great coaching.
I don’t understand the segment of the Braves’ fan base that thinks that Snitker is a great manager. They just point to the division titles. They can’t think that a teams wins IN SPITE of the manager.
He’s already a coach with Atlanta, per Francy.
The NewYork media and fans will absolutely roast the Mets if they make that hire! Lol
The reason they hate him is because they think he’s directly responsible for their recent playoff failures. Some still haven’t gotten over that Mike Soroka only started one game two years ago.
I think the problem that Braves fans have with Snitker is that he isn’t Bobby Cox (the best manager I’ve observed over many years of watching NL baseball, and I’m a Mets fan).
No
Choosing to take hard drugs isn’t some innocent mistake. It’s foolish and those that do it should pay for it, like spouse abusers.
Society sometimes is too lenient on fools now.
As a Braves fan I think Bobby Cox is the most overrated manager I have ever known. The man only had a great record because Schuerlholz gave him so many Hall of Famers to work with. He never set the starting rotation. He literally let the pitchers do that for him. He was terrible at filling out a lineup card. I would see him constantly bench great hitters and start defensive first players ahead of them pretty much every single day. He would tell Schuerlholz to make terrible trades. One trade for example was when he trade Jermaine Dye and Ryan Klesko for Keith Lockhart and Quilvio Veras. Klesko and Dye were both young and both hit the ball very well. The other 2 guys were old and never hit. That trade was all Cox. With stats like OPS+ and WAR existing now I’m pretty sure most managers would get fired for even suggesting that trade. He ALWAYS started Rafael Belliard and Sid Bream over better hitters and they were terrible. He said he wanted “Sid’s defense.” Bream was a first baseman. WHO WANTS TO USE FIRST BASE FOR DEFENSE INSTEAD OF OFFENSE?? ITS FIRST FREAKING BASE! It’s also pretty easy to win games when most of the time you have Maddux, Glavine or Smoltz on the mound. That’s not what makes a manager good. I would love to know what Cox’s record was when he didn’t have a future hall of famer on the mound. That will tell you how good he really is. He also got flat out managed almost every year the Braves went to the playoffs. 13 out of 14 years. He was terrible at managing a bullpen. He would pick favorites and only use them. The funny thing is that his favorites were very frequently the worst pitchers. About the only good thing I would say about Cox is players loved playing for him. He was a “players manager.” That doesn’t make him actually good though.
Maybe I misread a comment, but I haven’t read any comments stating cocaine use is an innocent mistake.
But comparing the penalties for its use to spousal abuse?!?
You have outdone yourself, JohnSilver-which is saying something.
@groundhog, Preller has been dialing Bochy for days on end now. I hope he doesn’t pick up.
I think the fact that Snitker continued to call on Will Smith in the 8th or 9th might be one of the reasons Braves fans are resentful of him.
If cocaine is a persons biggest character flaw I’d say they’re doing pretty darn well in life
You haven’t met many coke addicts, have you?
Agreed about Washington’s skills as a coach. However now that they have already cycled thru Callaway and Beltran the team would really be taking a chance hiring Ron. It’s a trifecta no one wants to hit. Rojas had a clean image and was on hand so he was hired for a two year trial. Look for another “clean cut” to get the job. IMHO Rojas wasn’t quite as bad as others seem to believe. When half the team is on the DL it’s hard to win a division.
Tell us what you really think.
Re: Will Smith usage. I get it and want him to be an 8th inning guy, but at a certain point, I don’t think Snit can make that call. He was a pricey FA add from the GM and to a certain extent, I don’t think Snit can overrule the FO. Without a more surefire RP, I don’t think Smith gets moved out of the closer’s role.
It’s just a little blow. Could even be legal and looked at like alcohol in the next decade. Washington is a good dude and a respected coach. He could get a shot
So, we’re in the real world. Real people are out here doing real things. Puritanical approaches do not work here. Comparing lines of coke to spousal abuse is way out of line.
I could be legal but it will never be looked at like alcohol. A lot of ignorant nonsense being thrown about here on the subject of a very destructive drug. These opinions are either being offered by folks who’ve never been around the drug or who are excusing their own usage.
“Ron Washington isnt getting hired again, being a manager while taking coke is a bad look”
Yeah, that drug is for first basemen.
“Choosing to take hard drugs isn’t some innocent mistake. It’s foolish and those that do it should pay for it, like spouse abusers.
“Society sometimes is too lenient on fools now.”
How do you compare taking drugs to spousal abuse?
If a person is married and has kids, it’s irresponsible at best. But if a person isn’t responsible for anyone’s well-being except his own and only does the drugs in his home without endangering others by getting behind the wheel, how does his self-destructive habit rise to the level of spousal abuse, where another person is being injured?
People like you with a hanging judge mentality seem to get a thrill at the prospect of punishing other people. You probably complain out the other side of your mouth about your taxes while it costs ten of thousands to keep a nonviolent drug offender in jail. instead of getting him treatment to get out from under his habit and live a productive life.
they can have shildt
Schildt totally outmanaged Rojas at Citi Field.
And he is going to turn 70 in April. One more thing. He didn’t have Nelson Cruz deep enough with the game and the Series on the line. The ball would have been caught If Cruz had been three steps closer to the fence with two outs. Instead, the Rangers lost. Not a guy you want for the Mets.
And it was his fault they didn’t win. He should have had Nelson Cruz play deeper and they lost the Series. That is incompetent managing. Should be perfect for the Mets.
Luis Rojas,
Hasta La Vista Baby! You were never qualified to manage a Major League Team but you were Wilpon qualified in that you were extremely affordable and readily available after Beltran was fired for lying about his Astros cheating to Joel Sherman who was likewise unqualified to replace Mickey Callaway who was unqualified and worse. Of course Sandy Alderson is the real problem with the Mets as he hired or rehired them and the problems all trickle down from him.
He certainly was as qualified as many others. Mets did what was fair though. With new incoming president and a GM they might want to bring in a new manager – months from now. Would be unfair to keep Rojas in limbo.
I agree that the new GM be able to hire his first manager. Patience among the posting voices here is on very short supply
Good for the LOLMets
The Mets and their fans are blaming the manager when the problem lies so much deeper. No manager or off-season spending frenzy is going to turn that mess into an instant contender. For five years now, the Mets have averaged 77-85 per 162 games, which is exactly where they ended up in 2021.
Not solely blaming Rojas, but he was terribly out managed time and time again.
Rojas was a corporate guy who had zero on field/dugout experience. Mets need a manager who will actually have a clue as to how to anticipate the other team’s moves and take responsibility for his players availability and usage.
Yes, we had a plethora of injuries. So did other teams. When we’re missing half the major league roster, we were actually IN first place. Had anyone offered us an 8 game lead to start the second half, our regulars healthy (minus deGrom) AND the addition of Baez, would anyone expect to go 16 games UNDER .500 for 75 games? That is ALL on Rojas.
Fire the hitting ‘coaches’, fire the entire training staff, fire the base coaches, fire the entire coaching staff wherever needed. Then bring in someone who has actually MANAGED players with success before. Then add someone younger or without experience (Meulens?) as bench coach who ownership believes will be the heir apparent and groom him to take over in 2 or 3 years. All I want to see is a manager who manage solely on stats and data. He has to to understand combining both worlds AND common sense. Don’t bench hot hitters, don’t depend on the 13th best pitcher to win games and stop believing the guy who gets at bats every third day is going to perform in the clutch just because of lefty righty match ups.
**…DOESN’T manage solely on stats. Sorry.
Phillies fans said the same about Gabe Kapler.
@Cey Hey,
If Rojas can truly learn from his mistakes with the Mets (which is what I think Kapler did with his struggles in Philly) maybe the Friars should hire Rojas.
I think a fair amount of Kapler’s success is due to farhan and vice versa. He might not have made the most of his secon chance in a different spot
@JimStem Smartest comment I’v seen today. Gary Disarcina I think is the worst 3rd base coach in Mets history. He needs to be gone now
Metsin7,
You don’t remember Tim Teufel then. He was the 2nd World’s Worst 3B Coach next to ” Send him Home Dale Sveum ” of the Red Sox.
Beat me to it on Tueffel
Most fans are ignorant and think the manager makes most if not all decisions rather than implementing the gameplans from the front office that the GM told him he must follow. Rojas was quality control coach. He was responsible for seeing that the plans from the front office were understood by the manager, coaches, and players. Of course he followed the plans that the analytics people Porter (fired) or Scott (on leave) hired this past off season. Steve Cohen promised that the Mets analytics department would be beefed up. instead, the Mets got analytics for the juiced ball era of 2017-2019 and the team fell flat using those data and plans
marcfrombrooklyn,
Indeed most of the Young Mets fans are ignorant and have never watched good baseball. They don’t know any better since all they watch is bad Mets baseball which gives them an inbred culture. Very Sad isn’t it?
I on the other hand grew up watching the Miracle ’69 Mets left NYC after the ’73 WS and returned to NYC when Darryl Strawberry arrived in 1983. I lived at Shea Stadium during the 2nd Half of the 80’s and couldn’t watch them the past 30 Years as I find them unwatchable, boring and very bad baseball.
Agree with your statements and that fans are ignorant. Rojas was not let go for his managing he was let go so that incoming GM and President have full autonomy and can hire their guy.
He was let go because of both.
Nope
The manager was fired to be fair to the manager and not for any other reason. With new president. and GM, you can’t keep Rojas in limbo for months if new ppl want to bring in someone new with whom they wish to work.
The Mets would of had 15 more wins with a random guy in the stands managing this year. The team is finally going in the right direction. Next guy down should be Alderson and the hitting coach
A manager, no matter how good or bad, is responsible for 2-3 wins tops. 15 more wins is ridiculous. And no manager in the world can make bad hitters good.
So if the Rays had Rojas instead of Kevin Cash managing them, they would have similar records? Go watch a baseball game buddy
Guaranteed the Rays make the playoffs with Rojas. Maybe the Mets are just not as good. Shocking I know, buddy.
Thinking the Mets are headed in the right direction is laughable. Some of these Mets fans watch the games without having an understanding of what they’re seeing. I watch a lot of Mets games as my J.V. game each night before the start of the Dodgers game. It’s just a bad team. MetsIn7, maybe you need to watch and study up on other teams. That way you’ll be able to more accurately assess the Mets.
Cey Hey, I had to look up Ron Cey and 1970 Batman logo only means at you age your sight is failing you. 1 60 game WS. So SF was bad last year, like Boston but not this year. Here a song from your early 30s “What a difference a Day make”. New owner, new day, if anyone thought they would win in year 1 wasn’t paying attention to other teams. But it’s the playoffs. Time for LA & Braves to not win another WS.
He lost us like 10 games. In a crucial stretch
MetsFan Cash? He may have cost the Rays the WS last year when he pulled Snell out.
Second-guessing. Fans need to stop pretending they know more about the players than the team’s manager. Sometimes, the right move just doesn’t work out. Dave Roberts had to deal with the same nonsense.
Amen to that!
I’m not sure this is true, while I don’t share the sentiment that Rojas cost the Mets 15 wins (mostly because I didn’t watch much non-DeGrom Mets games) I’m not sure its fair to say a manager couldn’t or hasn’t cost a team or on the rare occasion been worth 10-15 wins. I would argue most of the on-field value a manager provides these days is in bullpen management (imho), bad bullpen management can quickly stack up, is Rojas a bad bullpen manager? LaRussa reinvented the bullpen, Francona reinvented the way they use big arms and the Kevin Cash is exercising whatever black magic he has going in Tampa, those kinds of things have to be worth much more then the average manager. I’m just saying that I’m open to the idea that periodically a manager is worth more then a coaster.
I agree about bullpens and managers. Washington, perennially starts the season with a bad bullpen. Martinez’s smartest move was using his starters out of the pen in the 2019 playoffs.
Yourcommentlol2
You wanna try and back your ridiculous “15 win” claim with evidence, stats, logic, anything? We’ll wait.
@Cosmo Whitesox record before and after with Tony LaRussa, Giants record before and after with Gabe Kapler, Redsox record when they didnt have Cora compared to today, etc. ….
I’m not sure what which point you are trying to make.
The White Sox record got worse with LaRussa.
The Giants went from .475 to .483.
I can counter Kapler easily. The Phillies are essentially the same team recordwise before and after his tenure. The Giants are just good. The Mets are just bad.
That’s not remotely at all how evidence works. Teams records differ from season to season. You are essentially saying that every difference from year to year comes down to one factor that doesn’t even have consistent correlation. A touch of scientific method would be nice. There’s not a drop of logic to what you are saying. Team records vary for multiple reasons, none of which have anything necessarily to do with who is managing, let alone a specific 15 game swing. Try again. (I mean, don’t bother, your assertion is baseless and absurd).
I would absolutely love to see a fan manage. Every pitcher on the roster would be hurt by midseason.
The Mets are just injured. (Fixed it for you)
Metsfan22 – the Mets just suck – same as your comments. (Fixed it for you)
@MetsFan22 That’s definitely part of it. There’s no denying injuries derailed the Mets. Not as much as you like to think, but definitely more so than Rojas.
You aren’t even real. You clearly just like the attention at this point, This forum is probably the only place you’ve ever been “paid attention” to. Your takes are all bad, but again, I don’t even think they are real takes. You are a faker. You are like a kid with crappy parents, that will do anything for attention, and then grows up to be a loner that trolls on message boards, to replace your lack of human contact.
The Mets are injured every year.
So the *only* variable with those teams…was the manager?
Wow. Mono-causation. I am off this thread…I need at least a semblance of rational thought.
and every team would hit-and-run 5 times a game
If we didn’t get injured the Braves would never have been buyers.. our aaa squad was beating up on our east scedule. We would have built a bigger lead with our starters…
If, if, if…
iver,
A bit sadistic, are we? What you described is literally the definition of sadism.
Cosmo2
You wanna try and back your ridiculous “15 win” claim with evidence
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Once upon a time, one of the Tito haters wrote an article about the 14 games that Tito caused the RS to lose. It was completely inane, such as Papi should’ve sacrificed because he wound up hitting into a DP.
But the fun part was the mathematics. The little rant was posted about 1/3 of the way thru the season, and their record was something like 36-18. So the implied math was that the RS should’ve been 50-4, except for Tito.
Even when I pointed this out, there were still a few haters who insisted that the RS should be a 120-win team.
Beltran as manager, Luhnow as GM.
Nonononono
Search your feelings…you know it to be true.
Melvin & Beane. Probably have to trade for them. JD & Familia or any 1 of their bad bullpen guys.
So easy to blame the manager. Luis Rojas was not the problem.
Certainly not. Especially since at least half the decisions he’s gotten blamed for actually come from above him.
he wasnt the solution either though…
VonPurpleHayes, Not trying to flame in any way, but it’s similar to the Kapler situation with the Phillies. New managers need time to grow, which Kapler has clearly done (and I wouldn’t blame Girardi either). It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never been a fire-the-manager person. There have been exceptions, but in my 50-plus years watching MLB, not a whole lot of them. As fans, we need to stop pretending that there’s a magic wand to light a fire under a roster that needs improving.
@Cey Hey I actually agree completely. I did not think Kapler was the problem in Philly, and I do not think Girardi is the problem either. They’re just a mediocre squad.
@VonPurpleHayes, at some point, teams need to be realistic and honest with fans. For years, the Dodgers would make off-season moves and assure fans this year would be different. Fans wanted to believe it, even though we knew it wasn’t true. The manager was never the problem. Girardi can obviously win. But he’s a bright baseball mind and knows he’ll need some better players. The Phillies’ defense must have eaten him up. All he can do is play the players he has.
Maybe they can take Aaron Boone off the Yanks hands!
I’ll drive him to Queens myself.
Boone would never do that
He’s not a good manager but if we’re being honest, Boone may very well be a better candidate than anyone else who would willingly take that job.
where is bob boone
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32128466/washington-nation…
metman,
Bob Boone is in deNile.
on his way to queens, boone would exit the BQE in order to keep his car fresh for the playoffs
Boone is the only one who would comment on how positive the 72-hour wait for a 50-car pile-up was!
“Well, I know it didn’t look good, but really, I thought they mostly drove really well”
Underrated comment
No How about Showalter.
He seemed like s very nice guy, but he was in way over his head. He might make a good manager someday, but not now and not for the Mets. I wish him good luck.
This is on Sandy and Steve more than Rojas. Overpaying McCann. Using a 340 million dollar bullet on Lindor (he’s good but not paid among best in the sport good), declaring they need to invest in young talent then trading the 2020 top pick to rent Baez. Same old Mets
Yep
Exactly right. Poor roster construction. Under performing stars. Injuries. These are the culprits. Not Rojas.
All true. $340M for Lindor. Not smart. No one was giving him that,and they traded assets to give him that money. McCann isn’t that bad. You gotta have someone back there. The A’s duo would help. Wally B would be just what they need,but it will never happen. Beltran too. And that’s too bad. The thumbs down act was horrible. Good luck washing that away.
Wally B? He’s a nutcase who understands nothing about the modern game.
he’s done well in recent years as an indy ball manager.
He’s a chair-throwing, small-ball obsessed disaster in professional games
When was the last time a contract looked like this bad of an idea before it even began?
A terrible contract that will look even worse when we see what this winter’s FA shortstops sign for. The Mets will wish they were in on the bidding.
It’s in hockey, not baseball, but I’ll volunteer the Seth Jones contract for an answer here
Y’all are really under-estimating his 2021 season. After his first 25 games, he had an .802 OPS. He might return to being an AS as soon as next year. The contract will eventually age out, but he should be very, very good for the next 6 years.
He is not an elite bat, which is what you dole out that kind of money for. The Mets are also not ready to win, making the contract even more ridiculous. The contract will age out before the Mets are a contender.
Joe,
It’s spelled ‘Yous’. Just here to help.
Mets are going to do Mets things.
This team is trying to look for a new president of baseball ops. Shouldn’t they be try hiring a president first? And then let the new president and even the GM make the decision on the manager. I
Yep, and then reassess and come up with a reasonable plan for the future. A winter spending spree will lead to a long-term disaster. None of us would want that if our favorite team was in the Mets’ situation. Sometimes, you need to step back before you can move forward. If the Mets are smart, it won’t take as long as some fans think. If they’re not smart, the remainder of this decade will be quite painful. Their approach this winter will tell us all we need to know.
I said the same thing last year about the Reds. They had talent, but were kind of shooting for a chance at a WC. So you’re looking at a 1:2^5 shot of winning the WS. Which is okay. Or else you trade Gray, Castillo, Suarez and maybe a couple of the young RPs with 2 years of control. Then you’d have a super team in 2-3, that would likely last for 6-7 years.
Same with the NYMs. Do a tank in 2022, clear some payroll, promote some kids, and then go all-in in 2023. But not everyone likes giving up on one season.
The 2021 success of the Giants and Red Sox will make it less likely that teams tank. Brilliant front-office maneuvering by both teams.
Fans will complain about the next guy. It’s a given. The more things change, the more they stay the same, “Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss!”
Met fans have hated every manager since perhaps a minute into Valentines tenure. It does get old fast, the monotonous complaining.
At cosmo – I liked Collins. While I didn’t really ‘like’ Valentine, he did win. Randolph was another terrible, token signing.
My two biggest issues with Rojas were his batting orders and lack of addressing all the muscle injuries. The third was his lack of outward passion. Maybe he was just shell shocked, but I questioned many of his moves (as did every announcer), even in the first half. For a data guy, he regularly whiffed on favorable match ups just because they were left left or right. He ran his pitchers out 2-3 days in a row and never set up a quality daily left right starter tandem
You and me must be the only two who liked Collins. Heh, I thought I was alone on that one.
I was there with the Dodgers for a long time. At some point, organizations need to stop pulling the wool over fans’ eyes and fix the problems. An endless parade of managers solves nothing.
Cey you got that right. Always easier to fire the manager than underperforming players or meddling owners. Cohen has a significant history of dubious ethics. Not who I want to right a ship with a recent history of ethical missteps (to put it mildly).
It is very difficult to evaluate managers. Joe Torre had a losing record after managing multiple teams over many years. The Yankees hire him and he became a reincarnation of Stengel. I never thought much of Lasorda either.
I would suggest trading Hinch here, but do the Mets have any prospects the Tigers would even want?
Mets have plenty of very good prospects. Trading them for Hinch would be moronic though.
Trading them for the greatest manager who ever lived would be at least border line moronic.
You want the new PBO (or whatever title they give him) to have his own manager. Understandable move, personalities aside.
Maybe he is the one responsible fore making Degrom & Thor like Glass? or maybe he put something in Lindor’s tea to make him an just an above avg player? the secret was out and he had to go… I’m not sure if the Cowboys or the Mets are the biggest joke on the planet.. it’s a close running.
Make it interesting and interview David Wright as the manager.
He’s been pretty vocal about never wanting to get into coaching.
The Mets will do that to you.
Honestly Beltran might take the job
Wright seems to nice and soft spoken, I don’t think he would ever argue with the umps
He did during his playing days
Unnamed sources have reported to me that Rojas has been offered a job with the team as a transcriptionist for Metsfan22 to help put a spin on everything Mets related. They’re going to sign a ton of guys if Cohen doesn’t pull a muscle in his hand signing checks, in which case they still would have signed every FA on the market if not for- and stop me if you’ve heard this before- injuries.
don’t mention his name. That pos will come into the comment section. He is like beetlejuice with herpes you can never get rid of
Is he still commenting? Early in the season, he posted his power rankings with the Mets on top. This was when the Dodgers were in the midst of their 13-2 start. He told me the Mets would be better than the Dodgers, who had played an easy schedule so far. I then pointed out that, over the last four years, the Dodgers had averaged 102-60 per 162 games while the Mets were at 77-85. I told that’s probably about how it would end up, with the Dodgers winning 100-plus and the Mets finishing somewhere around their usual 77-85. He told me, if that happened, he wouldn’t post anymore. So…what’s the Mets’ final record?
Maybe we all got our wish and he is gone from the face of the earth.. what a waste of space.
Use the “mute” button if someone annoys you vs. posting incessantly about poster’s who annoy you.
This team needs a fresh start with their manager.
And in a lot of other areas
Perhaps you guys should just consider that the Mets team just was not good… how many players would any of you genuinely take if you were making a team? Add in Degrom and his health issues = a losing team . Would a manager like showalter make them better? Probably… but Rojas isn’t as much to blame as the front office
Finally!! I’m ok with him staying in the organization if he decides to take the “re-assignment” but he wasn’t fit to be a ML manager yet. Maybe down the line but he completely screwed up the bullpen.
“Screwed up the bullpen”. Same complaint the fans have had now, 3 managers in a row. Maybe it’s not actually the manager.
The Mets bullpen is underrated and overworked. The starting pitching depth killed the bullpen, not Rojas. A lot of this was due to do injury. Not to sounds like MetsFan22, but in the case of the bullpen that’s true. This bullpen carried the team through the first half of the season until they just couldn’t do it anymore. That has nothing to do with Rojas.
Yet the Mets didn’t trade for a pitcher to help out (like the Dodgers did) and Thor was known from the outset to be a question mark for this past season. deGrom had a unicorn of ac1/2 season. He is one of the best, if not the best, but even he was pitching way over what he normally did. Also their is an issue this year if which pitchers will be most impacted by the foreign substance new enforcement rules.
The traded for Hill
Hill really made up for the loss of Thor,, deGrom, and Lucchesi……….
Cosmo a real retread. An innings eater (when healthy which isn’t often) and. no way a difference maker. I like Hill he is a good guy but his pitching abilities are way down from just a few years ago. My guess is that the Rays don’t trade him if they didn’t agree.
Wasn’t a splashy move but who cares? Team wasn’t going anywhere anyway.
Weren’t they still in the “hunt” at the trade deadline?
Yes in the “hunt”. Quotes are appropriate because anyone could tell that their hold on contention was precarious and largely due to the underperforming of division rivals. Trading for Baez was dumb.
To be fair, Rich Hill threw 60 innings of <4 ERA ball, so I wouldn't call it a bad trade by any means. He didn't plummet as soon as he left Tampa Bay, IE Hunter Strickland
“He’s been offered a different position within the organization in a “yet to be determined capacity,” the Mets added.”
Designated driver when Cohen hosts parties.
Tingler underperformed in 2021 too against all odds, perfect match.
Tingler didn’t underperform. Fans overrated the talent.
A bit of both
Shoulda been Sandy first. Can’t fix the culture on this team if the same guy who oversaw and hired multiple bad apples is still here hiring the next round of management.
Wouldn’t be mad if the team revisited Beltran or explored maybe giving Robin Ventura another chance if they want to go with someone who has had managerial experience.
But the person who I think would be an awesome first time manager for this organization is Super Joe McEwing. Has seen some bad years with the White Sox but has great relationships with players. Being under Tony L this year has also had to help him grow so much more in the game. He would be the perfect candidate for first time manager.
Don’t accept any offer to remain in the org, Rojas. Take your money and sip cocktails on a beach until they stop paying you.
Be just like Milton Waddoms and the beach resort better not bring the margaritas with salt 🙂
Dude! Looked like someone spend $1,000 filming over the weekend, and became a classic.
Say what you want about his managing but Rojas seems like an upstanding guy. He deserves better than having to be fired (re-read: scapegoated) for that dumpster fire.
So once new hires get made, the Mets will now have a total of 6 different managers and GMs in the less than 1 year span since Cohen took over (5 if you don’t want to count Brodie Van Wagenen). How many respectable candidates would want to sign up for that?
Well, I guess Jeff Bridich will be available. So will Jayce Tingler.
One of the longest runs as manager in mlb history? Lol
Well here we go again Mets fans always blame the manager and now I guess the front office is as well. This teams fan base will NEVER be happy with their manager. Many of them didn’t care for Terry Collins or Bobby Valentine either who were their two best managers in recent history. The fan base is composed of 95% fools I do not feel bad for them at all. I can promise you no matter who they hire next year this team is full of underachieving losers and mental midgets. Unless they do a total rebuild this team will suffer in mediocrity for years and decades to come.
That’s TRUE with ALL real baseball fans. We dont rag our beloved players.
I am always amazed at the people who come on a Mets post just to bash Mets fans? They are the losers and mental midgets with NO lives.
You have nothing better to do with your meaningless lives than to go spread your unhappiness on other people? Get a life…
@Canosucks The most vocal poster on this whole site is famous for ridiculous, nonsensical takes. I think that’s why people love to bash fans. It’s really just the one poster they’re trying to bash.
#VonPurpleHayes I hope your right as its a sad world if your not but anyway have a great day!
You too my friend.
At least that poster is entertaining. I’m not even a Mets fan but I enjoy his outlandish posts.
Yea. Those posts can be fun, but they got beyond ridiculous of late. Intentionally so.
Von “22” made inappropriate comments when Acuna was injured. He consistently disparages other teams and players on other teams. One thing to be a loyal fan of the team you follow, quite another to bash other players.
@dodger Yea I agree. That’s when I fully realized he’s stirring the pot for reactions. He may not even be a Mets fan. Just being obnoxious to get responses. Fun sometimes but it gets old. Mostly harmless, but sometimes mean spirited.
Terry Collins was Mets manager for seven years not the longest runs in mlb history
They probably will go the Beltran route like Boston did with Cora. Posters talking about Ron Washington like they have never had a issue or problem in life is hilarious. Dude had a substance abuse problem. If it were alcohol people would look at it differently. Substance abuse is all the same no matter what substance it is.
Many fathers proudly provide their underage son with his first beer. You know, to make a man out of him.
I wouldn’t want Beltran and I didnt want him when the Mets hired him. As a player, he took off time to get surgery during one of his seasons on the Mets the year before his free agent year even though the doctors said he could get surgery in the offseason. I don’t trust him. The Astros thing just made me dislike him more. Still a hall of famer though
Curiosity piqued… have you read Cheated by Andy Martino? Open ended for anyone
I’m not sure Wash would want to expose himself to that mess anyway. He’s spent years rebuilding his resume and reputation and this will be his last chance to manage. Wash is probably going to be a finalist for the Padres job anyway and I would imagine he finds that position far more intriguing.
nah. Cora had a track record when he waa suspended. Beltran hasnt been a manager before. you dont suffer a PR hit for a guy with no managerial experience.
I have no problem ignoring the drug issue, especially if you are going to ignore TLR’s issues.
But that said, he is already 69, and his managing feels dated. The Rangers were always among the leaders in sacrifices, and sacrifices were already known to be inefficient. And he generally had good hitting teams. The better the hitting, the less you should sacrifice. That just kind of screams out that he is not using modern stats.
Dumpster fire.
A shame that the FO doesn’t get Rojas help with all of the pitching that went down and was sitting on the 60 Day DL for most of the season and then they fire him for not winning without all of those pitchers.
Send this moron back to single A or double AA as he is not capable of managing a beer softball team.
This made my day as much as if the Mets made it to a wildcard game.
Great first step in the RIGHT direction! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
They did not fire him his contract ran out…
No other MLB club would even touch this guy that is why he will take any job the Mets offer him.
The only shame is we had to watch this moron for 2 years just because of who he was related to
Just curious, where is Clint Hurdle today?
Basically retired. Had offers to be a hitting instructor or other coaching positions but decided to spend time with his family . Had 2 years and 6 million left on his contract from Pittsburgh and he decided he was going to stay home with his family . His daughter has a rare condition called Prader-Willi syndrome and wants to spend as much time with family as he can now. I could be wrong but i don’t think he will be interested in managing anymore.
Wait that’s so sweet
@gozurman. Thank you!!
I’ve said before the Beltran hiring than Rojas, that the Mets should of hired an established manager like Buck Showalter. Hire Epstein than Showalter let them straighten things out
Hire Showalter.. then you know at very least you have a trusted manager in place
In classic Mets fashion, watch Rojas become the next Gabe Kapler after a decent organization picks him up
…only problem is no decent or any organization is going to pick up Rojas.
thumbs down to fans under his watch showed he had no control of his players and they had no respect for him; despite his on the field ineptness what organization is going to sign up for THAT!!
Rojas is highly respected within the game, much more than the Mets organization is. People said the same thing about Kapler, but he was quickly hired by Zaidi, who had worked with Gabe with the Dodgers and knew the Phillies just made a mistake.
Rojas will manage again. I’d bet money on it. He’s only 40. I expect he’ll be a bench coach or minor league manager over the next few years and then he’ll get another chance.
I was thinking bench coach, too. With 2020 being interrupted, this was in effect his rookie season. Rookie managers make mistakes. For all the disappointment, 2021 was a huge growing year for Rojas, something that another team will eventually benefit from. His willingness to embrace the shift went a long way toward making a porous defense better. He just needed some better players.
26 and 34 in his rookie year as manager; finished tied for last place with no significant injuries that year and having DeGrom; Alonso, and others in a weak division followed by the biggest on field debacle and business disgrace of players openly insulting their customer base I would be shocked to see him turn anything down with the Mets as even he knows he has no where else to go and if it wasn’t because of his baseball family he never even would have been bat boy; let be serious about this. Even a mannequin could have stood in the dugout and looked composed and calm and steady
Thor was a significant injury.
Maybe they will consider Joe Espada, great baseball mind.
What’s ridiculous and sad is that that Mets think having Sandy Alderson making these decisions is actually going to help them build a winning organization.
Spoiler alert……
I’ve been a fan of Sandy for years but he’s really gotta go. Beyond time to move on. Unfortunately….
I’m not sure Sandy’s going anywhere. His son just got promoted to a cushy role in the Mets front office and some have speculated that he might even have a chance at getting the GM job.
@Cosmo: I’m in the same boat. Loved Sandy, and he really turned the team around when he took over the first time. From a total mess to a WS appearance.
But he’s got to go. The game seems to have passed him by a little bit.
C’mon guys. Team was 72-72 in the midst of A PENNANT RACE. The the team went 5-13 down the stretch. Players were listless. Unmotivated. Not sharp. Manager continued to rest players. For when Next Season?? No sense of urgency. Bad bullpen management.
The guy was in over his head. When the rubber meets the road- Rojas choked.
#Boppo 57 spot on Dude like leaving Loup out even if tired in extras to pitch a guy with 7+ total innings in the majors!! I could go on but why bother lets just be happy this minor league manager is GONE!!
The NYMs were down 6-0 in the bottom of the 2nd. Guy on 1st with one out. He leaves the pitcher in to sacrifice, and then puts in an RP. the following inning. So I guess he thought playing for one run, already down 6, was the right move.
It was probably the second worse move I have ever seen.
Lots of managers have done that. It’s the proper move in the modern game with short benches. You don’t burn a pinch-hitter in the second inning, especially down by six runs. I have seen other managers do that. Big-time winning managers.
I know it isn’t easy to research, but I’d be interested if you had any examples. The thing that would occur to me is that you only have 3.7 opportunities to PH. If you are not going to PH with a guy on 1st, how many better opportunities are you going to get? And don’t most NL teams have at least a 4-man bench?
Rojas constantly left Tylor Megill, a AA rookie, in an inning or 2 more only to get rocked after he let him bat the previous inning and yes only to remove him in the next saving nothing but this is a moot point. Rojas is done, done, done :):):):) and unless his family can get him another job somewhere else we won’t have to discuss it anymore.
Respected by who in MLB? Just name me one source for that other than yourself?
But hey that is what makes this fun and only time will tell not me 🙂
Joe Girardi did this 3 times this year if that helps.
Rojas is respected. I’m not a fan of him as a manager but you are way overstating his supposed incompetence. Because he left a pitcher in longer than you think he should have? All managers make dumb moves that we’ve no understanding of why they did it. C’mon.
Did you see the teams they played down the stretch? Real teams. They had an easy schedule before the break and feasted on bad teams. Once they played real contenders, they crumbled. Not to mention the Braves and Phillies improved more at the trade deadline than the Mets did.
He made a lot of very poor decisions throughout the year that I feel absolutely cost them games (though we can never prove direct cause-effect), more than a handful… but this season ended when they lost degrom, there was no ace stopper anymore.. and walker becoming terrible didn’t help… and horrible off years from conforto McNeil and lindor… plenty of reasons but he was clearly an incompetent game and lineup manager
Get ready for Jon Heyman to just start making up supposed candidates.
And Tingler loses again.
Did AJ promise his buddy that he wouldn’t be the first?
@Cey Hey
No dumpster fires for Washington?
So, who are my Padres going to bring in?
@groundhog515o
That’s a tough one. Whoever Machado and Tatis both agree on. Preller has already had two chances. Some of these teams need to do some honest assessing this winter. You don’t go from mediocre to contender overnight.
What do you think the Padres should do?
Manny Acta’s available.
Not a bad choice. They need someone to be a stabilizing influence; someone who can be around for a while. I get why some fans would complain about Acta, but over the long haul, he might be excellent. Then bring up Abrams, Hassell and Campusano and let the nucleus of all-stars and prospects evolve into a cohesive unit.
Acta had the misfortune of managing two of the worst teams in recent memory. Hard to say what kind of manager he is.
who a normal team would hire: one of the vast number of qualified candidates with varying skill sets and levels of experience
who the mets will hire: rich kotite
Someone criticized Rojas for his lack of MLB managing experience, then suggested Wally Backman.
I don’t know, Ray Handley is still alive and available.
Buck Showalter to Queens?
Watch them take Beane and Melvin from the A’s. Sandy Alderson connection
Oakland has zero reason to let them go and I don’t think either would even be interested in going elsewhere. They have locked-in job security there. Why would they leave to work for an owner who will tweet out his grievances and fire them at the first sign of trouble?
Not a huge fan of Rojas, but he’s not the problem here. The problem is they can’t hit. The following players all had markedly worse seasons when compared to their career averages (career OPS+, 2021 OPS+; the career numbers include this year, so the disparity is even larger than it appears):
McCann: 85, 77
Lindor: 116, 101
Conforto: 124, 101
Dom Smith: 104, 84
McNeil: 124, 86
That’s five starters with horrible seasons well below expectations. No one aside from Villar exceeded expectations. Baez was great, but a small sample size. Include him if you want. Nimmo, Alonso, and Pillar had seasons consistent with their careers, but nothing more.
How is this the fault of Rojas? The players need to perform. The blame for this season lies with players like Conforto, Smith, and McNeil. You can blame injuries all you want (and they had a bunch), but too many players didn’t even perform when they were healthy.
Yeah, Rojas was far from the only thing that sunk the Mets. They need to fire Alderson and hire a new President of Baseball OPS/GM. The next thing is they need a new training staff because for years this club has had issues staying on the field. They need to change the culture around that franchise.
Maybe a new manager steals them 2 or 3 more wins, but it doesn’t put them where Mets fans want.
He will go to the Angels and they will be the Giants equal next season.
I’m sure Philly fans who complained about Kap can relate.
Rojas? No. Lol.
With what pitching will they do this as well?
I don’t think Kapler sprinkled fairy dust on the Giants and made them good. I just think the Giants are a much better team than the Phillies. Managers get too much credit for success and too much blame for failure. Their job is to handle egosband to pull pitchers when they’re tired. In the NL it’s slightly more complicated as they need to make a touch choice for pinch hitters.
Harper and JT are better the anyone on the giants roster but after that giants do have the better assortment of talent
Really JT is better than Buster?
I would say the Giants are one of the few teams with a better catcher than the Phillies. Harper is one of the best in the game. Wheeler is really good too. The Giants are better every where else.
Maybe not this year but jt has been the most valuable catcher in baseball the last 3 years running ! Buster had a bad 2019 and sat out the last season ! But buster is my favorite catcher so I won’t argue that hard for him !
You seem more reasonable about the reality then other Phillies fans who are similar to Mets fans thinking their teams are loaded with stars when they each only have like two stars
Who Would You Hire To Manage The Mets,If You Were Steve Cohen?
I’d hire Billy Owens away from Oakland to be the GM. Has to start there.
Then I’d hire Mark Kotsay as my manager.
Buck Showalter, Bruce Bochy, Ron Washington, Clint Hurdle, Joe McEwing, Sandy Alomar
I got a headache reading all of the silly and thoughtless comments. Blame this one , blame that one !!!!!! It doesn’t matter period, what the Mets always do is pathetic as an organization period !!!! Let’s start with Nolan Ryan for Jim Fergosi
Rojas wasn’t the whole problem, but he wasn’t part of the solution either. As a first and then 2secind year manager, he looked very overmatched by the opposing manager at times. He made many questionable calls that did indeed cost them some games. And yes, the analytics part of the game has taken away from a manager’s instincts, which probably, at times, handcuffed Rojas and override some decisions he wanted to make in game. Not saying Rojas couldn’t manage another team, but the Mets have high expectations and need someone with experience running the club.
Here comes BELTRAN!!!!
mp9,
Beltran is a flawed individual. He is a Choker ( Game 7 NLCS 2006 striking out looking on 3 pitches for final out with RISP ), a Cheater ( Astros 2017 ) and a Liar ( Denying Astros cheated to Joel Sherman and earlier for his no show at Walter Reed Hospital Team Visit ).
Besides the above he has zero minor or major league coaching or managing experience and never talked to the NY media while he played for the Mets.
A “choker”? Based on one at bat? What a dumb take.
Go watch the AB on YouTube. It was as bad as could be and had he come up big there the Mets go to the 06 WS and probably defeat the Tigers as the Cardinals did. It was his most important Met AB and he Choked!
Everyone has bad at bats, and that was peak Wainwright. Such a nasty pitch. Lots of hitters would strike out on that. Beltran is one of the best Mets ever, but fans just talk about that at bat.
VonPurpleHayes,
Beltran’s choke AB to end the 06 NLCS was followed up by the 07 & 08 Mets Chokes which you should be well aware of. Three massive chokes.
Go watch the AB on YouTube? That’s your backup? Ha.
It’s one at bat. Great players strike out sometimes. Often. You can’t judge a player on one at bat. It’s ridiculously stupid to think otherwise and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the game works. If he had come up big would that make Wainwright a “choker”? By your logic it would. Do you see how idiotic that is?
You’re blaming Beltran for teamwide collapses?
At mp9 I heard a Steve Miller song in your reply!
Bang Bang Bang go the trash cans…
NO to loser Beltran. YES to bringing in Theo to run everything, incl choosing a manager. Until at least ‘23, my Mets are lacking at C, 2B, 3B, LF, CF, RF, closer, and pen. Need a vet SP as well. Looking forward to C Alvarez, 3B Baty, SS(2B?) Mauricio, RHP Allan (currently TJ surgery).
We have one of the top minds in Baseball sitting in the SNY TV booth. Give Keith whatever he wants but get him as the Manager
I love Keith, but no. Not only would it not work out, but he definitely doesn’t want the job. He barely likes traveling for the broadcasting gig.
Heh, yea Keith has a very entertaining personality but he would definitely NOT make a good manager. Way too, shall we say, aloof?
David Cone was interested in the Yankees job a few years ago. Maybe he would be interested in the Mets
They need an appropriate candidate, not just a name people recognize.
What constitutes an appropriate candidate though? Name recognition and reputation is what gets Managers repeatedly hired. Who is legitimately out there for the Mets? Maybe its a retred like Showalter or Brad Ausmus or Clint Hurdle maybe its a new voice like Joe McEwing or Hensley Muelens. The Mets haven’t done too well with the new voices of late
Name recognition shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Maybe it does, but it shouldn’t. Someone who knows strategy and can handle a clubhouse is what’s needed. Maybe a person known from the past, maybe not. But Cone just sounds like a famous name out of a hat and that’s the last thing they need. They need substance, something more than, “oh hey, I know that name.”
Is Bobby Valentine working anywhere ?
Bobby Valentine is running for Mayor of Stamford, Connecticut.
bobbyvalentine.com/
I liked Bobby Valentine as manager especially when he went back in a game he was thrown out off; with glasses and a nose. MLB has no sense of humor at all considering the steroid abuse and cheating scandals.
Besides Bobby managed Dusty Baker right out of his shoes in 2000 with a much worse team in the Mets!! 🙂
Canosucks,
I remember Bobby Valentine when he was traded to the Mets at the trading deadline in 1977 for Dave Kingman in the Midnight Massacre when Tom Seaver was also traded. I had been familiar with him on other teams and didn’t like him initially but he became a useful hitter soon thereafter.
Canosucks,
Bobby Valentine’s managerial persona is he is good with young players and gets the most out of them. He is cerebral but grating and condescending. He has problems with Veteran players like Rickey Henderson and with the Boston Red Sox World Series Players who find him irritating. He brought the Mets to WS in 2000 overachieving and his best Met moment was his heroic 9/11 work in real time.
Is beltran’s suspension over?
Who does billy bean pick. Who does Epstein pick. Wonder if billy picks an old a’s player or Epstein an old redsox or cub. Curious to see what happens.
All that lost WAR
Take DeGrom out of the rotation when they needed him the most-injured, Carrasco injured, take Syndergaard out-injured, take Cano out of the lineup because he likes to use steroids, Lindor underperforms, but blame the manager. What a joke. All these things make massive differences.
Even a health deGrom doesn’t get them to .500. They had a soft schedule to start, but even when in first they had a losing record against teams playing better than .500. A surprisingly weak division his many of their problems early in. They need to do some significant triage this offseason.
*hid*.
It’s not really to do with a soft schedule. They just got lucky with the Billy McKinneys over performing briefly, floated atop a weak division for a bit, until their overall weaknesses were exposed. Just a bad team that played its best ball in the first half, that’s all.
Agreed on one level, but I do believe the schedule helped mask some issues.
Yea, schedule probably did have some effect. I overstated a bit when I suggested it had none.
I think the double headers masked more than anything.
I disagree with this about degrom. I think being out does keep them under .500. He was a known to stop a slide or to take pressure off of the other starters. He would have allowed walker to take a month off and regain his stamina and pitch like he did closer to the first half. He also added a nice bat in the nine hole but that’s half a joke. But seriously, he not o my is a huge upgrade over whatever they threw in place of him, but would have give the bullpen more rest instead of openers and bullpen games or a backup starter going three or four innings. There is a lot that degrom would have prevented which would have given the Mets a lot more hope and health and in the long run wins. Would they have made the playoffs. Probably not. Degrom doesn’t influence smith, mcneil, Lindor, Conforto, and McCann lack of hitting. But it would have made the Mets more competitive for sure.
@findingnimmo
The Mets had proven over and over again that they couldn’t win deGrom’s starts even in his Cy Young years.
The defense and pitching staff ranked in the top five in the NL for a good part of the season. The HITTERS failed daily to have any success against the opposing starter. That tells me one of two things:
1. The hitting coaches had no idea how to prepare the hitters.
2. The opposing pitching coaches had a BETTER idea of how to neutralize our hitters.
Both of the above show that our coaching staff was subpar to even the Pirates’ and Marlins’. Not the players, mind you, but the preparation and plan.
Do you know what triage means? It means take the most seriously hurt people first and the least seriously hurt people last. It means to sort. I think what you mean is roster surgery or reconstruction.
I don’t think Cano being out of the lineup hurt them at all.
Did someone say Cano 🙂
Anything you got from Thor this year would have been gravy. They knew he probably was going to miss most/all of this year before the campaign even began.
Correct me if I am wrong but did the Mets say Thor would come back after the All star break?How vague can you be? When is that? It could be in July or September and it turned out to be September. Late September.
Well this was a surprise.
Two words: Wally Backman!!!
No. Just absolutely no!!!
I wonder if the Mets will pull a Red Sox and bring back Beltran? Both Cora and Hinch came back this year and proved the value of having a good manager. While Beltran doesn’t have the experience of these two, a lot of people lauded him for his baseball knowledge so why not give him another chance? I’d rather see them hire an up and coming talent than another retread. The last thing the Mets need is a Buck Showalter type. That ship has sailed in MLB. Managers need to connect with their players these days and Beltran could certainly do that.
Tony LaRussa and Dusty Baker are proving that old school still works in today’s MLB so who’s to say Showalter can’t “connect” with todays players.
Cora and Hinch come with at least a bit of proven track records, Beltran comes with zero coaching experience and with a front office in disarray and an owner who likes the limelight they may want a proven voice in the locker room.
Yea I see no reason why Showalter can’t handle the job.
I’m not sure what TLR of Dusty proved. The WS record is worse this year than last year. And Dusty inherited a .660 team and has played .586. I like Dusty, but he hasn’t proved anything yet.
The 102 more games played this year really did a number on the White Sox?
As for Baker. The Astros won 95 games, winning 107 games in a season is a rarity. Ask the Giants who did it for the first time in franchise history this year in their 139th season. Baker is doing fine
We will see how they do this month.
Bring Bobby Bo on board, they’re already paying him
Tingler & Rojas have had to be some of the worst fits for the clubs they were managing. Yikes!
Mike Schildt 2018 and Jack Mckeon 2003 are just 2 examples on how a manager really does make a difference.
Heck, even Bobby Valentine made a difference with a flawed roster for the Mets.
Mets need a manager like tony peña for sure
I’d love that. Huge Tony Pena fan.
The first step is now complete. The next step is to become the Rochester Rabbits.
Cohen, hire Kevin Mitchell as manager-fear is a great motivator
Can Albert Belle be hitting coach?
It’s Art Howe’s…Willie Randolph’s …uh,..Jerry Manuel’s…uh…Terry Collins’…uh…Mickey Callaway’s…uh…Carlos Beltran’s…uh…Luis Rojas’ fault.
I do find it interesting that the next Mets manager will be the fifth manager under Sandy Alderson. I wonder what analytics say about that. I can’t wait to read the next Moneyball book. This is all good work…if you can get it.
I’d like to congratulate @MetsFan22 for being right about his win-total prediction when he said that the Mets would win 95 to 103 games. We all misunderstood him. We thought he meant for 2021, but it’s clear that he meant combined win total for both 2020 and 2021.
26 wins in 2020 + 77 wins in 2021 = 103 wins.
And even though the Mets weren’t exactly as good as the Padres, they were close, so @MetsFan22 was pretty close there too when he made his prediction about that too (we’ll ignore the Dodgers prediction).
Great job @MetsFan22! We’re sorry that we misunderstood.
As bad as the Mets were at least they took the season series against the Marlins and beat their best pitcher Anthony Bass!
But I can’t deny a good point when I read one; Sandy has to go!
Look who’s back today. I guess life isn’t so good today?
As for the season series against the Marlins, it just secures Anthony Bass as Mets MVP. He made the difference in that.
And yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a front office guy last through 5 managers in such a short stint of years. Sandy has got some real Maverick powers to pull that off.
Ageism.
It doesn’t matter who gets hired Mets players can’t stay healthy.
Joe McEwing or bust!
Metsfan22 will be the front runner for the job
I can see him turning Conforto into Harper, Mets into a 103-win team in one season, Nimmo into a batting champion, Syndergaard and Peterson into Aces, JD Davis into a GG winner, and Lindor into a $340 million player.
DurdenMirrorKiller
How can Rojas justify hitting Maybin at the top of the order while he was hitless for the Mets after not getting any at bats a month prior?
Rojas lost so many games with his lineups alone…
Is Dick Scott still with the Mets organization? If so, he may be the front runner. Just an instinct.