Veteran starting pitching will be a focus of the Padres’ offseason, and the team appears prepared to shop in the high end of the free agent market. Kevin Acee of The San Diego Union-Tribune writes that Marcus Stroman has been “mentioned” as part of the Padres’ “preliminary deliberations” about targets this winter.
To be clear, it would be surprising if Stroman wasn’t at least on the radar for any pitching-needy team, and it is too early in the Padres’ offseason to tell if these in-house deliberations will result in concrete interest. That said, Stroman would be a logical upgrade for a San Diego team looking to bolster its pitching corps.
On paper, the Padres have a full rotation of Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Joe Musgrove, Chris Paddack, and (returning from Tommy John surgery) Mike Clevinger, plus Dinelson Lamet and Ryan Weathers as further depth and Adrian Morejon as a midseason reinforcement once he completes his own TJ rehab. However, given all the injury concerns and lack of overall performance from this group down the stretch, it isn’t surprising that San Diego’s front office is looking for reinforcements. Stroman has had his share of injuries, though for the most part has been a durable arm, tossing at least 179 innings in four of his last five seasons.
After opting out of the 2020 season and then accepting the Mets’ qualifying offer for 2021, Stroman delivered one of the best campaigns of his seven-year career. Stroman posted a 3.02 ERA/3.95 SIERA over 179 IP with a 50.8% grounder rate and a 5.9% walk rate that was both well above league average and Stroman’s best walk rate since his 2014 rookie season. The right-hander’s 21.7% strikeout rate was a career best, if still a below average figure overall, though a very strong 31.6% chase rate is indication that Stroman left his share of batters guessing.
Stroman turns 31 in May, but between his track record and his 2021 success, it seems quite likely that he’ll land at least a four-year contract this winter, and maybe as many as five years. (His market is also helped by the fact that he is ineligible for another QO.) Signing Stroman would represent yet another major contract on the Padres’ books, and between the pre-existing commitments and a big arbitration class, the Padres might not have a ton of room to operate underneath the next Competitive Balance Tax threshold.
Both Cot’s Baseball Contracts and Roster Resource calculate that the Padres managed to stay under the $210MM luxury tax threshold in 2021, though the margin is close enough that we’ll have to wait for the official league accounting to be certain. Then again, Padres ownership has indicated a willingness to pay the tax under the right circumstances, and it is possible the current CBT system is overhauled in collective bargaining talks. The club could also explore moving some other salary to free up payroll and tax space, such as how the Padres has looked into trading the likes of Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers in recent years.
Considering him for manager?
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Machado does not have enough Bread, he likes his carbs warm and fresh
If anything will get the Padres over the top, it’s spending more money.
I rather have My Padres spend a little more Money and get better, than be the team they were from 2011 to 2018. And Also, lets not forget the success they had in 2020 Even with no starting pitching at all!!!! Some players are very young and Will get better, guys like Tatis, cronnenworth, gresham and Campusano, a healthy year of Nola, Oña, Lamet, clevinger, wingenter, castillo, Morejón, Báez, Strahm, Pomeranz, guerra, Ávila, Gore, and adding 2 solid hitters to improve the hitting thats one área they did not improve at all in 2021, except adding “near bust Ha seong Kim” so i would add 2 Home run hitting veterans!!!!
May we all have your unmerited optimism at all times in life!
2021 great year to be a Padres fan
I rather have My Padres spend a little more Money
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That’s a great philosophy, until you run out of money.
Then it is a bad philosophy.
Why do people think all young players are going to get better despite hundreds of examples that show the opposite? Maybe all or even most of those young players will improve, but expecting it is a recipe for disappointment.
Many top prospects have fallen short of expectations over the years. Felix Pie, Cameron Maybin, Geovany Soto, etc.. Who else?
Randomuser4567
Why do people think all young players are going to get better
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No one seriously believes everyone gets better.
Everyone assumes that most young players get better.
Usually control years 3-6 are better than your rookie and sophomore seasons.
What do you mean by most?
Even if it’s most (I’d be interested to see if that’s actually true), that’d still mean some percentage do not, so expecting all of those young players mentioned to improve would be going against the odds. There is no reason given for why they’d improve other than them being young.
I’ll give you a thumbs up just for a Felix Pie mention
I will give you that while the Padres were just barely better than the Rockies, they are more fun to watch by a wide margin. Tatis may not be the perfect team player, but when he is healthy, he is fun to watch. Best moment of regular season was when Tatis homered off Bauer and covered one eye as he was rounding between first base and second base. But the Padres have a knack for acquiring injured pitchers, so I predict that they will win fewer than 90 games in 2022.
Disagree! Rays spent 70M and are #1 seeds in AL playoffs 2 straight years.
It is not how much money you spend, it is how you spend it. Yankees are another example of pushing the 210M and not reaching the World Series for at least 10-11 years.
Padres need to get their players healthy, promote their best prospects to MLB team and trade for younger, up and coming players instead of overpaying for old, declining veteran players whose best days are in the rear view mirror.
You cannot compare the Yankees and the Rays roster construction. MLB has implemented measures to give teams like the Rays advantages when constructing rosters like they do. Yankees are not capable of doing that year-to- year because of their success/financial position.
That’s not to say they Rays aren’t run incredibly well. They have highly intelligent people running that franchise as well as any in their position.
But Yankees will never be able to run their franchise like the Rays, nor will the Dodgers.
Yankee Clipper: What are the advantages that MLB has granted teams like the Rays?
Stroman is nop that good
He’s good enough that literally every team in baseball should be considering him, provided the price is right. Pitching is at a premium, specifically a durable, effective starter like Stro. Consistent borderline 2 or 3 starter, not an ace. Needs a good defense behind him, though.
Well yeah… every pitcher needs a good defense behind him.
Stroman hasn’t been good in ages. He will command a huge payday and he is hurt all the time. This is a perfect match for the Padres LOL.
He’s the only SP in MLB with 33 starts this year and would have had 34 but they made him sit the final day of the season. LOL you saying he’s hurt all the time. Bahahaha clueless
You’re an idiot. Watch the game. He was one of the few bright spots for Mets, knows how to pitch, and is a great fielder. The strikeout percentage could be a concern in the post season.
not true
Mumsy it just goes to show you that these SO CALLED EXPERTS who post…..are nothing but clueless idiots. Stroman is a very good pitcher
Including a disastrous, injury filled 2018, he has a 3.48 ERA in 117 starts over his last 4 seasons. That is as good as anyone on the staff.
The Padres are gonna make a bunch of huge moves only to win less than 80 games again, aren’t they?
They are the defending hot stove league champions two years running !
Noel’s comment wins.
So the Padres, like every other team, “mentioned” Stroman. Well, no kidding. They said, hey who are free agent pitchers, oh Stroman is one. They undoubtedly also mentioned Verlander, Scherzer, and Ray. This reporter, Kevin Acee, is about as in the know as Captain Obvious Jon Heyman.
Angels.
Didn’t the Angels draft 20 pitchers? At some point they HAVE to sign or draft a decent 5 man rotation, right? RIGHT?!
If you think hes not coming back to the Mets then ur delusional
Why would he want to go back to the Mets? He’s gonna get paid regardless so I think he’ll go somewhere that he has a chance to win and the Mets are NOT that. There are two things in life that are certain the Mets are gonna Met and the Jets are gonna Jet.
Mets were in the WS just 6-7 years ago so….
Fool us once, shame on Preller. Fool us twice, we won’t get fooled again.
Good enough for a paraphrased president, good enough for us. I’m not giving weight to any of Preller’s tinkering. Thoughts and prayers for those who do.
Well said, serge, but I think Preller has fooled Padres fans more than twice. Let the spending and trading of prospects begin…..
What prospects do they have left? They traded a lot this year to win 76 games.
79 wins
That is not what the president said….
He said, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice….well….ya ain’t never gonna fool me again.
Lol.
Rather sign guys for depth like Lester and/or Rodriguez who’d be much cheaper.
They have Clevinger and Morejon returning at some point next year.
Roll with Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Lester/Rodriguez, Davies as the #5? until Clevinger/Morejon return then limit their workload.
Shift Paddack to pen to replace Stammen. Keep Lamet in the pen to replace Johnson. Theyve got Wingenter, Pomeranz, and Strahm coming back from injury.
Theyd be better off trading Campusano for controllable pitching if anything. Marlins are apparently looking for a long term catcher.
Trade Campusano to get rid of Hosmer, add a bat in free agency and they’ve got a good team
Sure there are plenty of teams lining up to take Hosmer and that horrible contract. There is NO ONE that will take Hosmer without the Pads having to eat a large portion of his contract.
Catchers who performing usually are kept by teams as that position is tough to find quality. Campusano even with lousy average this past year in MLB showed more about was not ready to face MLB pitching, but showed in AAA it didnt affect him. Now am not familiar with SD catching prospects but camp has more of a ceiling than any they have on mlb roster.
While that would work for the Padres, a non-guaranteed starter spot would not work for Lester or Rodriguez.
They’d want a little more rotation security.
Lester. Rodriguez would be guaranteed a rotation spot as #4, #5.
Signing a #5 like Davies would be necessary if they plan to work Clevinger/Morejon out of the pen next year in their return from TJS.
Not sure what the plan is, but guys returning from TJS will probably be put on inning limits- Clevinger, Morejon, Wingenter, Baez.
Clevinger will be ready in spring training. He had surgery on November 2020.
Campusano is 22. He tore up AAA against much older competition. Was the best player on the Chihuahuas. You want to trade him? Why? He is EXACTLY the kind of player that Padres need to keep. Talented young guys with years of team control.
Trade Frazier. He is valuable coming off a year where he hit .305, turns 30 years old in December so about to start declining in performance, Keep the young guys and trade the older ones. That is a recipe for long term winning.
Padres will probably pick up Stammen, Johnson, and Melancon’s options. They have Altavilla, Wingenter, Baez, Pomeranz, Guerra, Avila, and Diaz all returning. Not sure they will tender Strahm.
Clevinger is coming off his second TJ surgery. No starter that has had two of that surgery has ever returned in his first year back and put up a good season. Only 2 players have ever continued to be a starter after 2 TJ surgeries and only Chris Capuano pitched as well as as a starter as he did before his 2nd surgery and that was relative since it was from a 4.39 to a 4.37 ERA.
“Of the 42 major league pitchers who have had two Tommy John surgeries, the majority did not pitch in the majors again after their second or fared poorly over a short period. ”
Better not to count on much from him unless they move him to the pen.
Nate Eovaldi has had two TJ surgeries and he’s looking pretty damn good these days!
@Dorothy_Mantooth He said two guys have had TJ surgeries and found success as starters afterwards. Eovaldi is one. Chris Capuano is the other. You MIGHT be able to make a case for Jameson Taillon.
It took Eovaldi more than a year to look this good, as mentioned in that comment.
@Pads Fans They didn’t trade for Frazier to flip him. They traded for him to use him. Guys in the middle of career years with only one year of arb left aren’t guys you trade with your eyes on flipping them later.
And as for him turning 30 in December, he only has one more year of club control. Decline generally happens gradually. It doesn’t mean you turn into a pumpkin the moment you turn 3o. At least not most of the time.
DO NOT TRADE COMPUSANO!
Look at his minor league stats.
Compusano is better than the 2 catchers the Padres are currently running out there.
He has the potential to be a future All Star.
Which means AJ Preller will try to give him away for a broken down, old veteran player in steep decline.
Call the Yankees…they would take Cumpansano and Hosmer’s contract! That’s worth it all day long IMO.
The padres can have him. He sat out all year last year so he could go all out for his contract year. Not a team player
Yeah…there was not a single other reason to sit out last year
Moron. Dude was their best starter this year when you factor in durability.
Also, his contract year was 2020, but he sat that out and re-signed on a QO for 2021. If he was as money hungry as you’re portraying him, he would have played the COVID season and sought a mega deal before 2021 instead of taking a QO.
Stroman sat out the 2020 season for the sake of looking out for his own family. What a lousy, pathetic take from you.
Something is wrong…I have agreed with two of your takes today…
What is it with posters with “mets” in their alias?
I’m guessing they’re probably Mets fans
David Price, Buster Posey and many other players sat out last year to protect their families from Covid.
Looking to pay retail again…..what a POBO they have. It’s not too late to trade Machado’s 7/210ish remaining and reconstruct their lineup long-term around Tatis and pitching with added financial flexibility.
This strikes me as a Prellerian move. Stroman is a good pitcher, but will be 31 when 2022 starts. And after 2020, I am not sure of his commitment to his team.
Preller will sign Stroman to a 5-year deal, and Padre fans will cite Verlander as an example of older pitchers still being able to pitch.
But more importantly, this will continue his pursuit of the shiniest objects he can find. Unless there is more to the medicals than is public, then he has a very good rotation. The dude needs to start earning his paycheck by finding the occasional bargain.
Strohman is an average starter who had a good year in his contract walk year,
He is entering the decline phase for major league players (over 30 years of age).
Do not waste mega bucks on Strohman.
He is no Max Scherzer and no Justin Verlander.
If Preller wants to buy a “lottery ticket”, then sign
FA and future Hall of Famer Justin Verlander(coming off Tommy John)
(same guy the Padres passed on in the draft and picked a wash out SS).
Verlander is a winner and future Hall of Famer.
Verlander is a former teammate of Max Scherzer.
Verlander and Scherzer dualing multiple times per year would sell out Petco Park and Dodger stadium.
Game 1 Starter Lance Lynn sees your “decline phase” comment and laughs heartily.
Jokes aside, you can’t give Stro a mega deal, but he still has some good years in him, and him sitting out a year likely added to his durability on that arm.
I like Strohman, but he is not worth what some teams may pay him due to the shortage of quality pitching. Padres have too many of these “overpay” for past performance contracts and do not need another financial anchor on their roster pushing 210M.
If the Mets don’t want think he is good enogh for a bidding war he’ll be on a another team. If the Mets want to be in a bidding war. He’ll be a met.
@MetsFan22 There are other factors. Maybe he doesn’t want to be a part of something special. By special I mean an absolute circus.
This comment was based on if he only cares about getting the bigger contract. He was also a Mets fan growing up but who knows maybe he want to live in California. Obviously there is other factors.
The most overrated statements on this site are about a guy signing with a certain team because they were a fan growing up of that team or it’s their hometown team. The only people who care about that are fans. Professional baseball players sign where the money is highest and 95% of the time geography and favorite teams have nothing to do with it.
And the Mets will still be an 80-win team next year.
No, the Mets will not “still be an 89 win team next year.” Why? Because that would mean that they won 89 this year and they not, try 77. 77 is a lucky number in some things, not for a tally of season wins. In the Mets favor, if deGrom is healthy, at least twenty percent of their games are worth watching for any baseball fan.
No, the Mets will not “still be an 80 win team next year.” Why? Because that would mean that they won 80 this year and they did not, try 77. 77 is a lucky number in some things, not for a tally of season wins. In the Mets favor, if deGrom is healthy, at least twenty percent of their games are worth watching for any baseball fan.
@MetsFan22 Heads up as a long time Mets fan; the sun is the center of the universe not the Mets.
*solar system. Technically everywhere is the center of the universe/or it really doesn’t have a “center.”
Well, the universe is finite so technically it could have a center.
The Mets could use Jorge Soler in their system.
Perhaps the Mets could use Jorge Soler in their system?
What is going on with the Padres farm director and coaching development? With all that amazing young talent there should have been more up helping this season and certainly next season! Shouldn’t need to go spend more money especially with Clevenger coming back. I watched the Dodgers play them 19 times this year and I don’t see any homegrown talent at all??
Preller promoted his buddy from his days with the Rangers to the farm director position. Preller traded away 26 young players. Now he has an older and expensive team with little financial room to improve.
Aj Preller traded a lot of that talent that is starting for other contending teams including the Rays and Mariners.
2021 – the year Padres were supposed to be great, everyone got hurt, season crashed
2022 – the year Padres are treated as a mediocre team and win 95+ games.
Clevinger/Lamet will be back, Darvish/Snell likely to be better. I see the bigger need as bringing in a Hosmer/Pham replacement. Maybe a Rizzo fits here?
Not sure who got hurt and missed enough time to make injuries the excuse for not winning. Darvish missed just 3 starts. Snell got 27 starts. Paddack got 22 starts which is more than he should have considering his production. Musgrove had 31 starts. That leaves Lamet as the excuse for the entire collapse? The problem with the pitching wasn’t injuries. It was the lack of depth when the inevitable injuries happen.
Clevinger is returning from his second TJ surgery. Not a single pitcher has ever come back and did well in their first year back from that 2nd TJ surgery and only one ever has done good period after having it twice and it took him 4 years. If he beats the odds and actually returns as a starter a top end projection for him is 10-15 starts and a 4.50 ERA.
Padres have already said that Lamet will be a reliever from this point forward.
Rizzo is 32 years old. Last thing the Padres need is a big contract for a player that is guaranteed to decline in performance. Better to sign Correa or Story and move Tatis to the OF permanently.
Hosmer is going to be hard to trade. Going into age 32 season and has refused to consider any of the analytical approaches to baseball that every team is using extensively today. Add to that the $59 million he is owed over the next 4 seasons and the Padres would have to both eat the lion’s share of his contract and include a top prospect just to get rid of him.
Another bad trade by the Padres.
Sent Rizzo to the Cubs.
Did not give the young Rizzo time to get established in San Diego as a young player.
Padres lost more games to injury than any team in the league. Losing just a large volume of guys from Pomeranz to morejon to baez just tested their depth which was non-existent. Darvish was really good to start the year building off a great end to 2019 and 2020 and wasn’t the same after he came off the DL. Eovalid of Boston had 2 TJs so it’s quite possible Clevinger can come back and be really good.
I think a guy like Rizzo can be had for 3 years which fills a need. The DH is likely so they can spot Hosmer or honestly pretty much dump him and eat a majority of the contract.
This team has 2 superstars, some solid other hitters, a potential for a very good rotation and a few great options in the back of the pen. The Giants will be a new team in 2022. The Padres need to add a lot of org depth which can be done- the AAA staff had nothing to help. The dodgers found guys like Bickford, Vesia, etc. – the pads really didn’t have any of that this year.
Overall, I think this is a good team that crashed and burned and will be really good next year with a few right moves.
Eovaldi is the exception, not the rule and it took him more than a season to be good.
So you want the Padres to tie up $30m+ @ 1b? That doesn’t seem like a smart allocation of resources, they have people that can put at 1b now if they don’t want to play Hosmer everyday.
@Pads Fans Why do you post the exact same comment from two different accounts?
Why is Darvish likely to be better? 2020 is the outlier compared to his recent performances, not 2021.
No Hosmer replacement needed. He will be back.
Stroman would be a good signing at the right price.
Stroman would be a good signing for most teams at the right price. He may even be worth it for a few teams at a higher price.
Padres are garbage. Trying to be the dodgers but not very good.
More than 20+ MLB teams would like to be
as garbagy” as the Padres
Padres have an above average team with respect to batting and fielding. They may only be third in NL West again in 2022 and play around 0.500, but Dodgers and Giants are unusually good. Not a garbage team at all, a fun team to watch, they just have made bad trades to acquire starting pitching and they need to develop pitching better as well.
Preller to ownership “I can fix this, we just need to sign one more pitcher in his 30’s to a big contract.”
Stroman is all about Stroman. Padres need a team leader, a presence. Watching Stroman cultivate his ‘me against the world’ garbage in Toronto was downright bizarre. “Height don’t measure heart” – no further questions, Your Honor.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. His teammates on the Mets love him and so do the fans. He interacts with them all the time on Twitter and they love him for it. Dude is always standing up for his teammates.
Always good starting with “you have no idea what you’re talking about.” An open minded appraisal rarely follows. Have a good day, rct.
Never good making a sweeping statement about a player that you have not met and obviously have not read anything about. Stroman was hailed as a leader in Toronto in the local press (Rob Longley wrote several really great pieces abut that in the Sun) and he was a Clemente award nominee while there. I doubt that behavior has stopped just because he was on the Mets.
Oh, the violins are playing loud. Never met? I have met him. Never read anything about him? Followed him closely while he was on the Jays. You’d better tend to your own sweeping statements, Robin Hood. Noble effort. Stroman was essentially run-out-of-town in Toronto and threw a tantrum on his way out the door.
So you are hurt that he trashed the ownership for lying to him? Pobrecito!! He was right. Obviously you don’t follow him closely or you would have read all the positive things Longley and Davidi said about him. Interesting that his former teammates came to his defense when fans like you tried to trash him after he was traded by Toronto. It was never the PLAYERS that he had a problem with in Toronto, it was the front office philosophies on pitching. BTW, that trade didn’t work out well for the Jays as both of the guys he was traded for are failing spectacularly while Stroman has put up a 3.21 ERA in a Mets uniform. Karma.
What, in your eyes, is unlikable about a 5’6” professional athlete having their brand be called HDMH? Dude had probably been told over and over he was too small to make it in the bigs yet here he is.
And it’s strange to bring up his time in Toronto to discredit him while ignoring his current tenure in NY, where he’s been a thoughtful and even-keeled presence during a pretty chaotic Mets season.
HDMH is remarkably passive aggressive. “Told he’s too small,” is there a more tired discussion in sports? So what? “Strange” about discussing the only other team he’s played for in his career? Really? Strange you would ignore his obnoxious conduct while in Toronto. I’d be willing to bet Stroman is not well liked around the league.
I remember when hosmer was the young guy everyone wanted to build a franchise around. A lot of money ago. Some team will pay him 8 million a year if Padres eat the rest.
This isn’t even close to true. Hosmer’s signing was universally-panned as soon as the ink dried similar to that of Chris Davis and Ryan Howard.
Pads need to stop buying high and go after guys that can help without breaking the bank or the farm. Find the next Trent Grisham, or CJ Cron, AJ Preller needs to work some real magic, not just going after the obvious. Team could desperately use Ty France or Luis Torrens right now.
Agreed. Successful teams get there by finding the NEXT Eric Hosmer. The NEXT Blake Snell.
Successful teams get there by doing both.
Aim higher than the next Hosmer, he hasn’t had a very productive individual career overall.
Hosmer is not bad, just way overpaid.
Hosmer has been worth 0.5 WAR as a Padre. That’s really bad.
Dave Cameron quit. No more Grisham’s or Cronenworth’s will be coming anytime soon.
Hope Cameron will swing by Tampa Bay and pick up his boy Jeff Zimmerman and go take back Fangraphs from the unsightly mess they made after their departures
I don’t think they’d be enough to plug the holes, that ship is going down.
Jeff Sullivan ! Zimmerman is still there ! They need Sullivan and Carson back for the humor alone! Bc the only funny left is Dan with his hard to spell last name
Grisham for Urias seemed even.
Sure, if that was all there was. But Preller included Lauer for Davies. And then Davies, plus four young prospects, became Darvish. So at the end of the day, it was:
Darvish 8-11 4.22
For
Lauer 7-5 3.19
Plus $22,000,000 r Owen Caissie, Ismael Mena, Reginald Preciado, Yeison Santana. Every Preller trade has a cascading effect. Not only does every trade lose value, the trade will require a second trade to make up for the first trade, which requires a 3rd trade to make up for the 2nd trade.
At the end of the cycle, you’ve gone from a young, home-grown team, to an older team, with all outsiders, and over budget.
Saavedra:
Really?
Where would Torrens and France play exactly?
I wish France was our first baseman…but he ain’t starting over Hosmer or Cronenworth and Torrens has no roster spot in SD.
Padres have a prospect and two major leaguers ahead of him.
If the Padres still have France and Torrens they don’t have Nola and probably don’t trade for Frazier at the deadline. France starts half the games at 1B and backs up at 2B and 3B. Torrens starts over Caratini.
I agree with all of your comment except Torrens starting over Caratini…SD will not carry 3 catchers, and Victor is Yu’s personal catcher.
France should be the starting 1B and would be if they didn’t give all that money to Hosmer.
If Torrens is still in San Diego that means Austin Nola isn’t. Torrens and Campy can fight to the death for the starting catcher position.
Grisham for Urias seemed even.
Grisham played bad, and Urias was amazing. Yet their value seems pretty similar. I like Urias, but I think Grisham will be better in the long run.
Torrens can play C when Nola inevitably goes down (or consider no Nola since he was the one being acquired) so we dont have to play a backup C like 115+ times or Webster Rivas.
France is an obvious support for our right side of the infield, which is leftie. And would be starting most games once Hosmer starts being terrible like always.
Like I said, I can build a better 25 man roster just of players dealt by Preller, the fact that he still has a job is an embarassment.
Good fit gets him far away from NY. LOL
Problem can’t be fixed with money. They already have a team that can compete for a championship. Just need a manager and good coaching staff to lead the way. Remind me of 92-93 Mets. On paper was stacked but poor manager and coaches to put it together.
Poor manager?? I will not stand by and let you insult the great Jeff Torborg like that!
How many other managers can say they raised a son to become WCW star The (KISS) Demon!?
Omg totally forgot about that. Was he going to challenge Arquette for title? Remember gooden,saberghagen,viola cone, darling and sid Fernandez as your rotation.
Padres gonna Padre…
Padres had a lot of significant pitching injuries this season. The general sentiment is that “The Padres can’t fix this problem by throwing money at free agents.” I actually disagree. In this particular case some smart FA pitching signings would turn this team into a contender.
They need to win 20 more games next year to compete for the division. Average war on the free agent market is 7-9m. The Padres are not going to find 20 wins worth of “smart signings.” They’ve spent their way into a corner; and are now in legitimate trouble.
20 more is an overstatement I think. I don’t expect the division to have 2 100+ winners again next year, but it’s certainly possible.
AndyWarpath: So you don’t think there is any WAR to be had from improvements from Grisham,Nola,and a healthy pitching staff?
Also…unlikely both SF and LA win 104+ games agin next year.
la’s records 2017-2021. 17: 104-58, 18: 92-71, 19: 106-56, 20: 43-17… 116 win pace. And 2021: 106-56.
It’s not unreasonable to expect LA to hit 105+ wins. At all. We know they’re not gonna pull a Cubs and stop spending. San Diego has a lot to do. Again. Not a good place to be after making multiple big trades last year. And the rest of the top of the farm didn’t exactly shine in 2021
@BeforeMcCourt I think the expectation is that the Padres are more likely to compete with the Giants for that WC spot.
The giants will have to do some work because 80% of their rotation can walk, among other things. Multiple big vets are on expiring deals. Do they pay for their 2021 numbers for 2022-2024+ when the last 1,2,3 years were subpar? SF has that decision in multiple places. But I’d rather have Zaidi making those calls than Preller
And my comment was to say, the people who are banking on LA falling into a sinkhole are oblivious to reality. It took SF 107 wins to get the division, and it still almost went to 163
Hey the Padres might not win in the regular season, but they make the off-season and trade deadline interesting at least.
The Fathers need their farm system to help them out. Where are all those great young pitchers they wouldn’t trade? Those guys need to step up if they hope to compete next year.
Snell and Darvish returning to form and a come back/contract year performance from Clevinger would REALLY make this team scary.
Preller traded all the great young pitchers other than Gore. Snell and Darvish were pretty much what they always are. Expect more of the same next season. Maybe Rothschild getting booted will help, but Preller still has to hire a pitching coach so we don’t know what stupid decision he will make yet. Clevinger just had his second TJ. No pitcher has ever come back and done well as a starter in his first year after that. If he is able to get 15 starts and a 4.50 ERA it would be a miracle. .
The best thing that I can say about Preller is at least they did not trade Abrams, who should recover from his injury and be the Padres third best player after Tatis and Machado by 2023.
The Padres should call that dork in Detroit, Al Avila.
Dump Meyer’s contract on him, pick up pitcher, Michael FULMER; reliever Ciscerno and Jeimer CANDELARIO to be back up 3rd and 1st base to protect the high dollar investment they have at those positions. Candy s/b an everyday player.
Fullmer is a reliever now. Won’t help the Padres who need starting pitching. Myers had a .770 OPS. Who are they replacing him with?
They are replacing him with the guy they pay that $23.5m to. There are plenty of guys who can put up a .770 OPS who won’t even cost half of that.
So Avila will fork over some of his best players for Will Myers?!
Did they have a sale on crack in your neighborhood last week?;!
I guess you can’t think far enough to understand the Tigers will want a couple TOP prospects back.
Go tell the Wiz you’re a personal friend of the Scarecrow…..
Maybe that will help…..
Crack? Where? Ok…dude, I.am.on.my way……
Your posts make no sense. Give up half your team for a young SS who the scouting report says currently has little or no power,,,and MAYBE, PERHAPS, could develop some power in the future but has shown little or no power in pro ball so far…kind of like a young Jose Iglesias?!
Please!
No GM or Pres of Baseball Ops would make that deal at the risk of losing their job(s).
Would absolutely love him as an Angel. Slots in perfectly behind Ohtani, has been durable the last several years, seems like a good guy. I like his charity work off the field as well.
Ohtani, Stroman, Sandoval, Cobb, Suarez, Canning isn’t the 90s Braves but it is a boatload better than what we’ve had in recent years and leaves Detmers time to develop and Barria as the swingman/depth piece.
(Yes I know Cobb is a free agent, I’m assuming he sticks around for another year or two.)
Anyone going there with AJ Preller still in control is wasting what left is of their career.
I’m not sure about that. He pays REALLY well for production…
They need to do more than consider firing Tingler. Why is he not gone already?
They really are trying to be the Mets of the West.
Pads Fans they aren’t going to sign an expensive SS.Even if they decided to move Tatis to the OF full time they could play Cronenworth or Kim there next year and then turn the position over to CJ Abrams.
They can add offense at the corner OF spots,1B and/or the DH.
If they move Tatis to the OF they don’t need to add offense at corner spots because Tatis will be one of those corner spots and Myers is well above average.
Kim is incredible on defense but couoldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. Padres are not winning a pennant with Kim at SS.
You said it was a good idea to sign a pitcher that will cost $20+ million on a 4-5 year deal. Why not a shortstop? Abrams is not ready. Abrams also can’t stay healthy. Would a smart GM really put that kind of pressure on a rookie to fill Tatis’ shoes?
DH is not a certainty. The owners don’t want universal DH unless they can get expanded playoffs and the players won’t give them expanded playoffs unless they get 2 expansion teams and get paid for the playoffs. .
YES!!! Padres finally fire Tingler
These guys need a manager who can create a good chemistry in the clubhouse. They have all the talent to be a winning team they just need to like playing with each other.
Padres had Dave Roberts on their coaching staff and couldn’t see the forest while they were standing right in the trees.
I’m having a hard time figuring which is more absurd…
1)Is it the corner Preller painted the Pobres franchise into with his shaky & irresponsible roster construction?
2)Or is it all these Pobre fans making statements about contending next year?
I guess, since we’re trying to figure out which is more absurd, it’s the fans making statements about contending. Do you guys watch the games? Not just Pobres baseball, but actual winning baseball? Is making Metsfan22 seem like a knowledgeable fan the goal here?
Which team is the “Real Padres”. The team that was fighting for 1st place with the Dodgers and the Giants in the 1st half?!
OR the team that collapsed and imploded in the 2nd half?!
Talentwise, the Padres are closer to the 1st half team when they get their injured players healthy.
My judgment is that both the Giants and Dodgers come back to “the pack” next year.
Neither of them will win 106, 107 games next year that was kind of a fluke.
Kershaw is having Tommy John surgery.
Some Dodgers are free agents and are leaving like Cory Seager…
Giants older veterans all had great years that will be hard to duplicate in ’22.
NL West may have 3 teams in 2022 with 90+ wins Giants, Dodgers and Padres.
I tip my hat to both the Giants and Dodgers for having such a great year!!
Or they’ll have two 90+ win teams again and the Padres won’t be one of them.
It’s interesting that getting their player’s healthy is only something that’ll benefit the Padres and also that you know Kershaw is having TJS, despite reports that surgery isn’t required.
Dodgers will have a whole season of Trea Turner, be able anticipate the loss of May and Bauer, and will slot Kershaw in as a 4 or 5 starter or replace him if he wants to end his career inTexas, which seems less likely. It is easier for Dodgers to replace Bellinger than Padres to replace four starting pitchers.
That’s assuming Giants and Padres make no improvements.
will stroman consider them?
If they offer him a lotta money, yes
Because the clear takeaway for the Padres from this year was that they haven’t signed enough expensive free agents and need more.
Just off season chatter. Padres, like the big spending Yankees, will now be mentioned as “considering” every active free agent with a pulse.
Padres need to learn that “checkbook baseball” does not always work out the way you planned..
It would be better for the Padres to get everyone healthy and promote some of their “top prospects”, young starters.
Padres need to develop depth with their position player hitters.
Rays are #1 seed in the AL for the 2nd straight year with a 70M total payroll..
Idk how many free agents want to go a team with a new manager, a gm who may be on the way out, have to compete against the Dodgers and theGiants (even if they over performed this year they will still be pretty good next year) and a roster that not only underperformed but that also stands to lose a lot of talent at the end of 2022. Add the already present clubhouse difficulties, the fact that the farm no longer has a lot of top prospects, and the fact that the Padres probably aren’t in a position to outbid a lot of teams given their future payroll obligations (they won’t be able to dump Hosmer without further depleting the farm), and I don’t think they’re getting any legitimate free agents. Maybe I’m wrong, but two high expectation seasons with Preller and severely underwhelming results both times, they have an uphill climb to convince FAs to go there.
I could be wrong but Marcus reminds me of Edwin Jackson and my bet is whomever signs him will regret it four years from now.
Personally I’m holding out hope that Lil’ Sweet and Manny Machado will have a circle of death match right in centerfield on opening day. The winner can get his picture on the cover of Please Look At Me Monthly.
For my fellow Mets fans (and Padres fans). The only thing these two organizations are good at is not making the playoffs, losing seasons, and dysfunction. Never have two organizations failed as effectively as Mets and Padres. Mets have 6 playoff appearances in 60 years. Padres in 50 years same issue.
Two biggest disappointments in the sport run by morons.
Stroman is a very good pitcher and a great athlete. He will be a Yankee unless someone pays him Zack Wheeler money.
I don’t believe that’s where the Yankees will spend. They made the playoffs, briefly, because of their pitching. Their tepid season overall was driven by both defense and offense issues. Beyond Judge and Stanton, the rest of their lineup was below league average.
Stroman will be discussed by every team. It’s procedural.
Preller death gurgle moves coming soon!
Padres should stay away from stroman…he is overrated. they should look for diamonds in rough and collect a few seems to work for LA SF
Your posts make no sense. Give up half your team for a young SS who the scouting report says currently has little or no power,,,and MAYBE, PERHAPS, could develop some power in the future but has shown little or no power in pro ball so far…kind of like a young Jose Iglesias?!
Please!
No GM or Pres of Baseball Ops would make that deal at the risk of losing their job(s).
Such obvious click-bait for dummies!
Which team would not consider a quality SP in free agency? Some of these writers seem to throw anything out there, as if their fellow writers are really working & they need to show something. Sad.
I think he commands 2 years/$37M to 4 years/$80M, so like 3 years/$58M. For what he offers I think that’s a perfectly cromulent deal.
Maybe get a manager first.
I’d like to see the Mets bring him back. Offer him 3 years. He was the most consistent pitcher on the team. Can’t count on deGrom, Syndergaard, Walker, Peterson or Carrasco. Looks like a lot of off season activity coming. Megill should be the 5.
They have some good pitching talent coming up in the minors, but contenders need proven performers. Guys who can stay healthy and no how to manage their output for a full season.