TODAY: Hoynes provides some more details on the negotiations, writing that the Guardians made an offer to Ramirez on Tuesday. Ramirez and his representatives made a counter-offer on Wednesday, and the team then halted talks the following day.
APRIL 1: The Guardians have had some extension discussions with star third baseman José Ramírez since the lockout was lifted. Those talks, which as of earlier in the week hadn’t yet progressed to an actual exchange of numbers, don’t appear to have gotten very far.
Paul Hoynes of Cleveland.com reports that conversations between the Guardians and Ramírez about a long-term deal “have bogged down, if not ended.” Even if talks haven’t completely fizzled out, Hoynes adds that the organization has set an Opening Day deadline for an extension to be in place. If no deal is agreed upon by next Thursday, it seems the plan is to just carry the three-time All-Star into the season on the option the team exercised last November.
It doesn’t come as a huge surprise that negotiations between Cleveland and Ramírez haven’t seriously progressed. The Guardians have never guaranteed a player more than the $60MM they spent on free agent Edwin Encarnación over the 2016-17 offseason. Even with Ramírez two years from hitting free agency, a long-term deal with the three-time Silver Slugger Award winner would probably exceed twice that amount.
If there’s no deal in place by next week and the Guardians cut off talks, rival clubs figure to gauge his trade availability. There’d be no shortage of league-wide demand in Ramírez, one of the sport’s best overall players. The Blue Jays — where former Cleveland executives Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins have key front office roles — are the one team known to have checked in with Guardians brass about Ramírez this winter. There are surely other clubs who have inquired, but there’s no indication Cleveland has given much thought to trading him.
At the very least, it seems the Guardians will keep Ramírez for the first few months of the season. Cleveland has designs on contending, and dealing their best player would represent a major blow to the team’s chances. It’d also be a source of frustration for a fanbase that is only a year removed from seeing previous face of the franchise Francisco Lindor shipped off to the Mets as his potential free agency loomed.
If the Guardians haven’t locked Ramírez up beyond 2023, though, there’ll be plenty of pressure on the team to get off to a good start. If they fall out of playoff contention by July, the 29-year-old could be one of the most talked-about players in advance of the trade deadline. Even a year and a half of club control over Ramírez would be incredibly valuable if he keeps up his recent form, particularly given his affordability. He’s playing this season on a $12MM salary and can be brought back in 2023 via $14MM club option.
In other Guardians extension news, Hoynes writes that Cleveland is “deep in negotiations” with closer Emmanuel Clase. No deal has yet been finalized, but Hoynes relays that Clase’s reps at Nova Sports Agency are en route to the team’s Spring Training facility in Arizona to meet with the right-hander and team officials.
Bohm, Marchan, and Painter for Ramirez. Get it done DD.
Oh, no.
Have to read ridiculous trade proposals like this up to the trading deadline……then they’ll start up again the day after the WS ends.
Hey Samuel! 0-1 good buddy!
Zaidi trade Beede, Slater, Dubon and Matos for Ramirez.
Nope. Somehow the Yankees reacquire Clint Frazier and trade him and Andujar for Ramirez.
@vtadave- Nah no reason to acquire Ramirez for 3rd base. The Yankees have their new leadoff hitter playing 3rd, Rickey Donaldson… lol
Don’t go spending $$$ on this guy, I’m so tired of hearing about Hosmer, Meyers, Lindor, Grichuk, Hamilton, Davis, Pujols on & on. Give him a 2 or 3 year with incentives. Let him earn his incentives
You’re not serious are you? Cmon let’s be realistic, Guardians would want Matos, Harrison as a start
I can see George Costanza trading Jim Leyritz and Bernie Williams to land Jose Ramirez.
If it were a Seinfeld episode, George would then discover he had actually traded for Harold Ramirez.
The big spender Guardians sign Jose Ramirez to a 10 year, $300 million dollar contract, to make up for his last contract, just as long as Jose is in bed by 11pm.
If Zaidi isn’t interested in Jose Ramirez maybe he should check on Whit Merrifield. Merrifield is versatile and plays 2B and the outfield. Offer same package of Beede, Slater, Matos and Dubon.
Offering the same package for Ramirez and Merrifield is bizarre. They’re nowhere near equivalent players. This would be nearly as much of an overpay for Merrifield as it would be an uderpay for Ramirez.
I’m amused by these “mediocrity, flotsam, and lottery tickets for a superstar” trade proposals. Any team that trades for Ramirez is going to feel the hurt in terms of players they give up.
Ramirez is worth at least 4 times that amount. A lot more than twice.
Everyone says that. Then trades happen and people are like “is that all? Why didn’t my team do it?”
How often does that happen?
How many fans said that about the Olson trade this year ?
Cherry-picking one instance doesn’t exactly prove your point. Check out the Arenado deal, the Betts deal, the Goldschmidt deal, clevanger, snell, chapman, berrios… happens a lot. Pay attention.
Half your examples are not even close to what to what you said in your first comment.
The fact that you listed Berrios is hilarious. Maybe you shouldn’t be telling people to pay attention.
The Betts deal was relatively low priced for LA
It just now occurs to me you likely mean extensions…?
@Rsk3228 You couldn’t have given worse examples. All fair returns. Cleveland Tampa Minnesota probably couldn’t believe what they received.
Thanks to them taking on $48million of Price’s deal.
Betts was an expensive rental. Ramirez has two inexpensive years, Two totally different situations.
Well said, Sparrowhawk! 😉
I’m talking about the contract not your stupid trade proposal rsk read the article
Ugh, next time be more clear.
Enjoy him!
How many season tickets did you buy so they could keep him?
The A’s board is like this as well.
Ignorance. I don’t live in Cleveland and my money alone wouldn’t make a dent
Samuel, so superior, so smug.
Oh.
Team has proven time and time again that they’re not willing to surround him with any offensive talent–haven’t had an MLB caliber outfielder in what, five seasons? He shouldn’t sign an extension
@DonnyElementary
…so often right.
Funny…most important aspect of a major league team is its pitching staff. If that’s not surrounding him with TALENT that matters, I don’t know what is.
I’m sorry if you can’t be bothered to see what’s coming elsewhere on this team, but Jose sees it. Whether he stays in CLE will have zero to do with the club’s future, but his own.
I would say this is the worst team to be a fan of in sports.
Surely the Rockies are worse…
t least they spend money
Pirates ?
I mean, the Indians have amazing pitching almost $0 guaranteed next year. They should be going out and getting guys to win. Teams would die for that rotation. They have the third lowest salary. I’d be so frustrated. Never had a $100 million contract. $60 million 3 years is their largest. Too cheap to pay anyone.
Their rotation is overrated.
Compared to the ‘98 Braves’ it is.
Of course the Pirates *rolls eyes dramatically*. As far as worst run franchises, Cleveland and Pittsburgh are far from the worst run. For starters Texas, LA Angels, Phillies, and NY Mets come to mind as worst running organizations in baseball. Millions spent, nothing to show for. Those 4 are starting points and I can think of 4 more clubs to add to the list. Most of these poorly run organizations have no prospects or limited prospects that any other team would want. They spend to hide their depleted system.
Pirates have turned that around with their system and looking to be competitive in less than 3 years. Next season will be the defining moment for the Pirates and finally hush up a lot of you naysayers including Steve Adams. As a fan, I’ll take the abuse and gloat in the next few years. It’s one thing to criticize an organization when they aren’t improving from ground up, to criticize just to criticize an organization that is doing everything right to improve their chances at success. Maybe everyone these days think throwing money brings winning products after watching Yankees doing it for decades and now Dodgers doing it. But everyone fails to see majority of the top spenders, are losing more games than wins. They are also missing the playoffs and being outplayed by organizations who manage their system and funding well. Hence Braves and Rays……
With all due respect.
Pirates last made the playoffs in 2015 and their opening day starter looks likely to be Jose Quintana who had a 6.43 ERA last year.
It’s been 6 seasons since they’ve been competitive, saying there’s only 3 more seasons to go is embarrassing.
@ Dustyslambchops23;
I don’t think you grasped a word PiratesFan1981 wrote.
Tell you what……..
You post here a lot. Knowing that the Pirates have a small market budget, why don’t you list a dozen things the Pirates can do to be a contending team this year that are within their budget and will allow them to contend again in 2023 and 2024.
I think the pirates are going the right direction under Huntington.
The previous decade the rangers won 90 games 5 times and another division title at 88. Went to 2 world series. Did not spend big on anyone…except beltre, which would have been a great signing if they spent double. CJ Wilson Josh Hamilton they probably bid on and lost but turned out huge blessings. They have a system mlb ranks 9, two spots below the pirates and probably should be in the 9-12 range imo. Not star studded save Leiter and Jung, but as deep as I’ve seen it in 20 years. And they spent THIS winter (hard to show anything for that yet) with the long term in mind to bolster the solid group of kids on the horizon. They won’t be good this year, more pitching needed via FA or trading from farm. But at least you know they will spend when appropriate. Not something the pirates ownership can say. It’s really not hard to be a rangers fan which I think is what you were replying to.
Anyway, hope pitt can take down the cards a peg or two soon
@dustyslambchops23 Umm, there is an old saying for your nonsense input. It goes like this, “Rome wasn’t built in one day.” I think it’s fitting in this case. Let me explain slower for you.
Pirates last winning season was 2018 and was left with a depleted system after the release of Huntington following the disaster of that season. There was a lot going on from ground up and Pirates were lucky enough to finish above .500.
With that said, it’s been 4 years to the last time the Pirates had anything remotely competitive on the field. There are teams who have spent longer than 6 years of a rebuild. I did state,” less than 3 years” and they will be competitive. I should be more clear about this. Within 3 years they are going to be knocking on the playoff door. I won’t go as far as saying they will be in the postseason, but will say “within 2 years” they will be a .500 club. That is 7 years from their last winning season for a potential postseason appearance. It will be within 6 years to have a winning record after their last winning record. I think that is pretty good odds considering what Cherington had to do to even make it possible to be competitive baseball team again. He had no system to work with. Only a few scraps left behind. Hayes and Keller were the only two bonafide prospects with Will Craig being 3rd. We all remember that foolish Craig play last year and why he hasn’t suited up at the majors for any team since.
Again, Pirates are making the right moves. They aren’t hiding under a check book for their failures. Teams spend 6-10 years rebuilding. Now if someone bites on Reynolds very high asking price, Pirates window to contention will be sooner than later. But no major league team wants to do that because it depletes their system and giving the Pirates several highly respected prospects. Rays are famous for finding one sucker and other clubs acknowledge this. Pirates will forever be in the top 5 worst trades of all time with that Archer trade. Desperation does some dumb things and Pirates haven’t been the only team to do that.
Lol Sam man, you’re a funny dude.
I say they are not a well run organization, which is pretty factual based, given their performance and current status. And you say show me how they can compete in 23 and 24? As some sort of intellectual challenge?
Yah most teams can’t directly turn around a poor on field product in 2 years, but it hasn’t been 2 years now has it. And yes they are on the right track, but when you’ve been down so long everything looks like up.
They have the best park in the league, or one of, their fans deserve better than what they’ve got the last decade or so.
As for your ‘challenge’ they should be looking to expedite their build by taking on bad contracts for prospects, signing high 1 year traceable deals for prospects, buying other teams international pool money for you guesses it, prospects. Not just sit back and wait and hope that all their prospects magically blossom at the same and right time, that’s a one egg in a basket.
Cleveland has an outstanding front office. They have been one of the winningest MLB teams the last decade on a small market budget. Teams have been hiring away members of Cleveland’s organization for that reason.
Cleveland just rostered 11 of their prospects on their 40 man roster and face another roster crunch this December. More propects is NOT always the best solution.
@Dustyslambchops23;
You’re a naïve, irresponsible guy.
1. Exactly how do they take on bad contracts with their budget?
2. How do you know they’re a “bad run organization”?
3. Cherington got there in November of 2019. He had a poor infrastructure. Do you think moving a MLB baseball operation around is like driving up to a fast food restaurant – You ask for computer and video equipment that a group of internal people are immediately skilled at using; working in harmony with one another. Changing the culture on a dime. Already knowing what outside people you need to being in; picking them up through the drive-thru window and putting them in the back seat with everything else?
4. Are you incapable of reading what PiratesFan1981 wrote?
5. Do you have any work experience?
6. Do you think Mark Shapiro – with a much larger budget – turned the Jays around in 2 years?
7. How is your rotisserie league team doing?
PiratesFan1981
Good post.
As a fan of a small market team myself, my only fear has been that the big market clubs not only have the big money, they operate smartly as well.
So far, so good. Yeah, the Dodgers are worrisome, but they still have a tendency to get sloppy. The Braves are scary because they don’t seem to extend themselves and won’t fall prey to sentimentality. But overall most big market teams spend unwisely and lazily, thinking they can outspend their mistakes.
@Avory
Unfortunately, the trend is for the large-revenues hiring/poaching the young brainiacs. SF with Zaidi, Bosox with Bloom are recent examples. Cohen is fixated on Stearns, and it’s only a matter of time, imo, before the Yankees move on from Cashman, and the Phillies from DD. Forst-Neander-Antonetti/Chernoff poaching will be next.
Baseball will keep expanding the number of postseason teams to try to compensate for the ever expanding un-level playing field vs making the fundamental changes needed, namely, the complete sharing of all revenue among teams.
They have consistently put solid teams on the field. The Guardians are in the middle of a rebuild but still have a lot of exciting players. They are by no means a favorite for a playoff spot but could contend, if healthy. I’ll take that over the teams that just tank and end up being completely irrelevant for 5+ years.
Oh, yeah. The Francona era of contending for a playoff spot every year he’s in the dugout has been hell.
@2012orioles
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA, what an utterly absurd comment.
The team that has the 3rd best all-time record in AL history–behind only big-markets NY and BOS–a standing that has only improved over this ownership’s tenure.
A good portion of baseball fans would kill to have this kind of success and the organizational stability and future that this franchise demonstrates on a daily basis.
How is Cleveland such a small market team? Don’t they have pretty decent attendance numbers? Would seem like they should have enough money that every contract extension shouldn’t send them to the poor house
MLBPA failed by not installing a $200M salary floor to prevent crap like this.
They do have the money, that’s why it’s so frustrating for us as fans.
@ enjoylindor;
As far as I’m concerned you have the money to buy at least 4 season tickets. Did you?
Samuel you’ve gone from a good poster to an annoying troll. Get off this guys back
Thanks for having my back tstats. You’re a real one
@ enjoylindor;
Why don’t you buy 4 season tickets and donate them to charity? Let some poor kids in Cleveland see live baseball. Are you cheeeep? You have the money. Cause I say you have the money. You have a device to enter posts on here. Are you cheeeep? Do you just pocket the money you earn? Whoops…do you earn any money?
Get more of your friends to do the same and more of their friends to do the same. Then they can extend Rameriz.
@ Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree;
Last response….
Did you look the attendance up?
They were 21st. None of the one’s below them are signing veteran star players to extensions because they too cannot afford to. Detroit did give some long term contracts out this offseason as they’re coming out of a years long rebuild.
Look at their win totals and look at attendance. TV is where the money is. Major factor in tv money is tv market population. Again look at statistics.
No, their attendance is pretty lacking. Even the years when they’d make the playoffs, they couldn’t sell tickets. Meanwhile, Clevelanders had no second thoughts about buying season tickets for the then-lowly Browns.
Just think how many season tickets the suddenly un-lowly Browns are going to sell now that they have Deshaun Watson. The second thoughts may be forthcoming.
Cleveland was 21st in attendance out of 30 teams.
So the owners were never serious to begin with then.
“Ok, so you’re a universal top 10 player in MLB right in the middle of his prime….how does 5/$50M sound?” = exactly how the team approached this.
Jose Ramirez for KeBryan Hayes, straight up.
Who has a need at 3B, lots of money, and players/prospects to get a deal done?
Alvarez, Batty, Davis, and Smith. I’d say that gets it done.
Francisco Alvarez, Brett Baty, JD Davis, and Dom Smith? That’s not a bad proposal; Alvarez is a top 10 prospect, Baty could be very good, Davis is a solid hitter, and Smith is a good change of scenery candidate.
Considering the return for Lindor, this seems plausible.
Dumb trade proposals made by dumb people.
Cleveland already has better prospects then those proposed on their 40 man. Why do they need more? They’ll only lose some in the Rule 5 draft.
They’ll keep Rameriz. The article / speculation / conclusion is much ado about nothing.
Go back to trading in your rotisserie baseball leagues.
Ah no they don’t Samuel that is a strong trade offer actually very strong. The Indians don’t have anyone like Alvarez I doubt anyone beats that offer. Toronto could if they offered Moreno and maybe the Yankees if they offered Volpe and Dominguez but that Mets offer is very strong.
@ Bruin1012;
Eee Gads…..
Yes they need a Catcher. OK. What do they do with Batty when their top prospect for 2 years has been a guy that plays 3B, but is being moved to LF this year because Rameriz is there? JD Davis is a disaster in the field – Cleveland has Reyes at DH. What do they need Davis eating up a roster spot for? Josh Naylor is a LH 1B – at least as good as Smith. What’s the point?
The Yankees have few genuine prospects. They are not going to trade Volpe and Dominguez to get a 3B when they just traded for Donaldson. Where do you come up with this?
As for Moreno – he’s an unproven offensive Catcher. Cleveland is built around their pitching staff. They use Catchers that can handle pitchers, call a game, and block balls in the dirt. They are not going to compromise that for a guy that might bat 3-5 times a game. Add to that the fact that the Jays just traded for Chapman to play 3B and signed him to an extension. Where do they play Rameriz?
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This is the 2nd time I’ve responded to some ridiculous posts you addressed to me regarding the Cleveland baseball team. They have the best manager in MLB and an upper level FO. They are not lost in the woods – as Avory has pointed out, they’ve averaged 90 wins a year for the last 9 years. If you can’t comprehend what they’re doing, that’s fine.
After this response clears I’ll be muting you.
Why are so many of you so serious and so angry? My goodness, have some fun. It’s April Fools Day!
Sure.
But this kid has come on here numerous times before with – sorry to say this – truly moronic, arrogant, talking down to people comments about how he’s doing the team a favor by giving them a combination of garbage and players they already have….and that wasn’t on April Fools Day.
I love smart small market teams of which Cleveland is one – along with Tampa, Milwaukee, KC, Oakland. They have to work with little revenue, and while they have to take steps back at times, usually they’re competitive. And they do that by having sharp FO’s, combined with good managing and coaching.
Truth be told, it’s the small market teams that have had to be industrious, setting processes in place that are used by most MLB FO’s. Many of Cleveland’s FO people have been poached by other organizations. It’s a compliment to how smart they are.
It’s been stated plenty of times that the jays would play Ramirez at 2nd, that’s common knowledge, someone who leads on to know so much should have known that.
Samuel,
I think you are getting me confused by someone else the only other time I really have commented on the Indians is really to say that Ramirez is a great player and that most of the trade proposals I see for him are quite light. Then I see someone actually throw, on a value basis, an offer that is quite strong and gives good value that’s all I’m saying here. I’m not advocating that the Indians should trade Ramirez I’m simply stating that it was a strong offer. What is the reason for you to get so angry calling people stupid and suck? I think it’s you who needs to take a long look in the mirror. I don’t mute anyone I can have a very spirited conversation about baseball without resorting to calling people stupid. It’s Ok if you don’t agree that’s why we have comment sections.
The only other time that I can remember having a disagreement with you was on Conferto and I think I was spot on in my comments you disagreed so be it. You need to lighten up a little there are to many other more important things in this life to get worked up over. The site is called MLB trade rumors and there are comments allowed just saying. Have great day Samuel and lighten up a bit.
@David Sampson;
Boy, you really shot down all my points…..
Oh. So Rameriz is going to play 2B in Toronto. And “It’s been stated plenty of times’. It’s “common knowledge, someone who leads on to know so much should have known that.”
I’ve never seen that anywhere. Post a link from a reputable source.
KC doesn’t really fit the MO of the other teams you mentioned. Other than 3 years, they have a hard time reaching .500 play.
@ stymeedone;
Yes, the Royals are more traditionally driven.
They emphasize extremely strong fundamental play in their large park. They build up a team through the farm system to create a window that they can compete in. They do not develop pitchers well, nor do they turnover players quickly as Tampa and Milwaukee do….then again, neither does Cleveland or Oakland.
Different strokes. But Dayton Moore remains my favorite Baseball Ops person in MLB – patient, worked his way up from scouting with the Braves, understands the game better than most. He’s treats everyone in the Royals with respect, and expects they do the same to everyone else in the organization. He’s straightforward in dealing with other teams Baseball Ops people, and may be the most respected FO person by other FO people in MLB.
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Here is the commonality to all those teams – they all play SMART baseball. Don’t beat themselves once they get going. Strong Baseball IQ’s and self-discipline start at the top. Sometimes with young players it takes a bit for them to come around. I don’t see any of those teams throwing the ball around on D, running into outs on the basepaths, etc. Like anything else in life, one does the right things and a some point good things happen. Can’t say when, can’t say how good.
Within a year or two you can add the Pirates to that list. I’ve already started watching them some.
They will move him. Because they love prospects. Prospects that win Eastern League Championships. Not MLB World Series.
They draft awfully, they don’t want to pay anyone, except a closer who will be closing for a team that will finish 20 games below .500 this year because they can’t score.
Pitching will be good (feel sorry for those 5 guys). I bet Franmil is good for 30-35 bombs this season but 80% of those will be solo. Tito will get sick again, prolly. Attendance will continue to suck. Jose will get traded so we can sew up the Eastern League Crown for a season or 2. Then, after all is lost they will hand the team to Sandy, I hope he says no thanks.
Well Samuel, Ben Nicolson Smith (who was one of the original writers on this very site) Who writes for SportsNet.ca which is owned by Rogers Communications (who also own the Blue Jays) has written multiple articles on the Jays pursuit of Ramirez since the trade acquiring Chapman with the intent of having him play 2nd base. Is that what you would call a “Reputable Source?”
@ jaysfansince1977;
Thanks for the link.
So everything he says is true, huh?
Did he ask Biggio how he feels about all this?
@ WoOBle;
Gads, I can’t keep up with the misinformation…..
They draft terribly? They have one of the best farm systems in MLB, with (as pointed out by another poster) 11 prospects on their 40 man roster……..which other teams would suck up if exposed to the Rule 5 draft……but oh, prospects are bad.
You feel sorry for their 5 Pitchers? They DRAFTED 4 of the 5 – those guys were PROSPECTS.
Have you ever run a department? Have you ever built anything in your life? How is your rotisserie league team doing?
1. Great 11 prospects on the 40 man. I will give you 4 out of 5 pitchers. How come we have no outfielders? If we are sooo good at drafting, how come we can’t score any runs and think the 90’s model of a Braves-ish (not really) rotation and 2 or 3 runs are going to get it done 90-100 times out of 162?
2. Yeah prospects suck. What did we get for Frankie again? Bad trade, should have just let him walk.
3. Yes I have built businesses, and they are still successful today. Yes I have run departments. I do not do Fantasy baseball. That’s for people like you.
I would add, since you question my business acumen, this team has a 1.3-1.4 Billion valuation. That’s an awful lot for a team that:
1. Doesn’t own their stadium. Cuyahoga County owns it, and by current MLB standards, eh, they could do better.
2. Has a player payroll of 50-60 Million, which will be near the bottom of MLB, if not last.
While I am aware of the costs of running an organization such as the Indian…err..Guardians, Dolan has an astronomical value proposition in NOT paying people. Even though attendance sucks and TV isn’t what NY, Chicago, LA will fetch.
Bottom line is he has the dough. Doesn’t care about winning unless they get lucky with young players. That equals not caring what fans think or even if they show up. So, he will not pay Jose or Bieber or anyone else, another club will happily do that and Cleveland will go back to being the best AAA team in the big. Sure miss Dick Jacob’s.
@ samuel
biggio? lol who cares what biggio thinks he’s the first guy getting shipped out if JRam goes to the jays
The absolutely have a plan and the FO is ALWAYS GOOD….Cleveland is a farm system for FO executives…. BUT the plan almost requires them to extract maximum value out of players, so fans are perpetually alienated. Fans are expected to show up in droves for the team with the lowest salary in the league? Regardless of the product…. Rays play the same game, Pirates try, but don’t expect fans to show up for your analytics display
@samuel
Brilliantly stated. Your comments just come too fast to applaud individually.
@WoOBleut
I’d feel sad about your ignorance, except that you seem to revel in it.
You think you are clever, but you have zero perspective. If you watched CLE baseball last year and all you saw was failure, you don’t know baseball at all.
Last year was last year. This year will be much worse. #70-92
Solid deal in many respects.. Alvarez’s progress toward becoming a ML catcher is clear and unassailable. I just wish he as closer to being M L Ready.. (psst.. he’s not.. but he may be in about 18 months) The second piece, Baty, is a strong position player with the ability to play any one of the four corners with 3B being his best spot. RF/LF are also likely.. The two veterans don’t do anything for the Guardians except block the progress of guys already in the Guardians system.. If anything, Vientos being added with one or both of Walker & Ramirez would make this deal go.
It would signal that the 2022 season, while still having a chance to contend.. would be more of an up hill battle.. but, good baseball fans would not be surprised or delude themselves into believing the Guardians are going to contend WITH Jose Ramirez..
Thanks for posting..
They don’t really need Davis AND Smith. The redundancy of those two players (both basically 1B/DH only) is a main reason they are always being floated.
Cmon they both fill OF needs lol
Actually Pdam I almost always see the prospect team undervaluing the veteran with underwhelming offers but this one is actually more then I think that the Mets would have to go. Alvarez and Baty should be more then enough. Thats a top 10-15 and another top 30 prospect that’s the kind of return it takes to get a player if Ramirez’s caliber. I’m not sure what trade values says but I’m guessing that is probably a little lopsided in the Indians way. That should easily gets the Indians attention.
This is a very unlikely marriage…
No reason for Cleveland to extend him. They Already have him for his age 29 & 30 seasons. Let him honor his contract and he can get paid for his 31 and over years by another team
Or if he’s still playing strong and wants to “truly” stay with the tribe he can sign a decent contract instead of chasing the highest monetary value. It’s perfectly fine for professional athletes to get paid MULTI MILLIONS of dollars per year but how many MILLIONS is enough?
As Pee-wee Herman once said,”Infinity”.
It’s also perfectly fine for team owners to make MULTI MILLIONS of dollars per year but how many MILLIONS is enough?
The idea of a hometown discount is absurd. Teams get a huge discount for at least the first six years of a player’s career. A hometown bonus for a player to stay seems more reasonable to me.
CLE won’t extend him. This is a charade we’ve seen soooooo many times played out, and the ending is always the same. Every star they produce either walks into FA or are dealt before they can. There really is no need to extend him, but the FO still pretends they’re trying.
Not a Tribe fan anymore, but I just had to come here and read the idiotically pitiful trade proposals.
Miguel Andujar plus a couple low level guys should be enough. Let’s go Cashman.
Cashman first has to make a trade with the Cubs for Clint Frazier. With him and Andujar, it’s an offer the Guardians can’t refuse.
The sad thing is that I legitimately can’t tell if your comment is a joke or not lol
The funniest comment of the day. Lol!
Hope Toronto can trade for him at the deadline. Such a good fit with his Puto Rico background,
What is that? Did he play winter ball in Peurto Rico? Has Jose bought a vacation home in Puerto Rico? Did he marry a Puerto Rican?
Puerto Rico? No, Aoe3 said Puto Rico. Very different place – wherever it is. 😉
If I’m Clase I sign the extension even if it’s thought to be below value. He’s throwing over 100 mph and is already under team control for the next four seasons. His career could come to an end at any time.
Ramirez should not sign an extension and hope to get a Semien or even better deal as a free agent.
Please, whatever happens, do not trade Ramirez to the Dodgers. They already have a stacked roster of All Stars, MVPS, etc…
The Giants will never be interested because Ramirez is too healthy. If he tears a acl or somehow blows out his throwing arm, then Zaidi may take a look.
In all seriousness, I hope he stays in Cleveland.
Just read a report that Cleveland just extended Jose Ramirez for 4 years…wait, that report was dated March 24,2017. Lol
It’s a bit unusual for a team to set a deadline for extension negotiations, no? Especially for a player like JRam. Perhaps he gets hurt, sits at home for a few days, and wants to do a long-term deal. Do the Guardians hang up?
If Cleveland is paying for the phone call, they probably hang up.
*SPIDERS
He’s gonna get at least 3 years/$95M to 5 years/$160M on the open market. Cleveland obviously isn’t comfortable matching that.
Dodgers need to teade Rios & Lux now
“Need to”? How so?
Mariners/Jerry should trade Noelvi Marte and Emerson Hancock for JRAM. No actually maybe Kelenic and Hancock. Anybody but JROD and Kirby.
LOL
Are you also Bruin1012? A Yankee fan?
Ignorant that is a pretty solid offer seems the Mariners would be giving a top 15 prospect and top 50ish prospect that is the requirement for a player of Ramirez’s talent. Oh and ignore Samuel he is a clown.
Ignorant, for a trade to happen, both teams’ needs must be met. Cleveland is loaded with infield prospects so Marte would not fill a need. Hancock has had injury issues. That package would not get Ramirez. Any Ramirez trade, should it happen, would have to fill needs for the Guardians.
I have a better shot at winning the powerball than Ramirez getting extended (from Cleveland)
What if the Rays can’t continue in Tampa and move to Las Vegas? This would create a divisional re-alignment and probably force the Indians/ Guardians into the AL East. If the Cleveland market is not suitable to sustain a team, it might be wise to look in to a move. Nashville maybe?
For the most part I think talk of franchise moves are just preparation for leaning on local politicians to build a new stadium or some other tax deal. But Las Vegas? Yes, it’s possible, but not soon. Likewise, the Jose extension talks are probably just prep. Any team looking to acquire him is 1st going to ask, How much will his extension cost? Because they will want an extension as part of the deal. The Geordians are collecting that info. My suggestion is that they take the risk, sign him with the confidence that inflation will eat up those numbers, & they can always trade him 2 or 3 years down the road. It’s not like at age 33 he’s going to be putting up Hosmer numbers. Yeah, like Las Vegas, it’s possible, but not soon.
Cleveland just extended their stadium lease. They are not moving to Nashville.
Leases are made to be broken and I’m sure there’s an escape clause in the Indians/Guardians lease.
@baji kimran
You’re “sure” of nothing.
The only thing anyone around here is sure about is you making things up as you go along.
I know probably unlikely, but there were rumors of Jays being interested in Ramirez. If they managed to get him for prospects without giving up any of their position players, they might have the most beastly lineup of the past 20 years. They’re my top pick in the AL right now, just solid top to bottom. Could probably use more pitching but so can most teams.
Cleveland would want Moreno, Martinez, Groshans, Lopez and likely a position player probably Gurriel
I’d imagine Biggio will be in the package. JRam hasn’t played 2B in years. Unload the farm to play someone out of position, at a position higher on the defensive spectrum no less. Not the greatest idea, probably.
Dodgers need to get in on this action. Lux, Pages, Miller, and a couple lottery ticket types.
RF Betts
SS T. Turner
1B Freeman
2B Ramirez
DH Muncy
3B J. Turner
C Smith
LF Taylor
CF Bellinger
The Dodgers are one of the few teams with the prospect capital to pull of a Ramirez trade that is a solid start and they are players at positions that Cleveland would need and want since Lux can play the outfield and everyone knows that Cleveland needs outfielders. It’s a solid start and a reasonable offer perhaps at the deadline but wouldn’t shock me to see the Dodgers land him.
Dodgers and Guardians do match up pretty well for a deal.. no doubt..
Pay the man. He’s half your team and you really owe him for the years he’s given you as your UNDERPAID star. Pay up or sell out, Dolans.
@indianfan
Just pay whatever he asks?
Because he is an “underpaid” star?
Tell me, if his hamate bone injury had sapped him of his power, would he given back the rest of his contract? Had the slump he had from 2018 to 2019 persisted–when he was quite literally the worst everyday player in MLB–should he have given back all the money he didn’t earn?
What is wrong with people?
You sign contracts for security and life changing money for your family.. You’re never underpaid if you’re being paid GUARANTEED money. How much guaranteed money is in YOUR future?
Would love to know the offers.
Hopefully Cleveland at least offered at least something in the range of 6/150. Of course even that would be rejected.
Then guessing Ramirez’s camp asked for 8/250 at a minimum.
Ramirez’s camp is a bunch of idiots then, because he’s asking for free agent $$, not an extension on an existing contract that keeps him under team control for two more years..
He wants to play for my Dodgers in lovely California just like every other good player. We will be trading for him this year and extending him a new long term
Contract. Luxury tax means nothing in LA we fit every star
Austin Riley and Sean Newcomb for JRam
It really sounds like Cleveland wants him to sign a hometown discount and he wants to be paid market value. I would not be surprised to see him moved by the trade deadline if they are truly far apart unless Cleveland is in the heat of the race. He will certainly be moved if Cleveland falls apart. Maybe that trade proposal put in earlier with Alvarez and Baty. Baty is pretty athletic and could moved to the outfield I get that Cleveland has tons of infield prospects but they don’t have any prospects like Baty in the Outfield. I would want Jram to sign long term if I’m a Cleveland fan but they can’t let him walk for nothing unless the plan is to go for it the next two years then rebuild and I don’t see Cleveland doing that rebuilding.
Cleveland is not “falling apart.”
Jose Ramirez is not being traded.
He will not be paid “market value.”
If he asks for it, Cleveland will laugh as they leave the room.
He is under team control for two more years. HE IS NOT A FREE AGENT and any extension offer will reflect that.
No one should fault Jose for waiting two more years to test free agency and hope to maximize his earnings..
But no one should fault the Cleveland organization for putting a cap on the risk they are willing to take on a guy in his 30’s, especially one who–much to his credit–throws his body around and plays so hard. But it’s a factor a team has to take into account.
Any deal must be shared risk, or there’s no deal. And no fault to either side.
Avory the real question is do you think they move him either at the trade deadline or in the offseason if they think they can’t sign him. I think they do what do you think?
No, I don’t think they feel any urgency in dealing Jose at all.
It’s a misconception how CLE operates, but it persists. CLE has NEVER dealt anyone unless one of the following applies: 1) the team is non-competitive 2) the player is being paid far in excess of his worth or 3) the player is perceived as a significant injury risk.
None of these applies to Jose Ramirez. He’s durable, he’s on an incredibly team-friendly contract, and the club is going to be good, especially with him on it. So why on earth would he be dealt? Michael Brantley was never dealt.. There is zero reason not to play out Jose Ramirez. “But, but, but you can’t let him walk for nothing!” Baloney. He is more valuable in our lineup than not,, and CLE is going to be good,.
dolans will never give him even remotely close to his value. as much as i love jose, he needs to go somewhere that will pay him what he deserves. dolans are running this organization into the ground more and more as time goes on.
What a truly oblivious comment.
Jays getting J. Ramirez in 5-4-3….
The counter offer was for above league minimum
They SHOULD pay him, he took the discount on his first deal and happily outperformed it and he plays the game the right way. However a 5/150 extension offer probably isn’t coming so he’ll be gone. 2 styles of fielding a team now ….spending or not spending
If I’m the Jays FO, I’m not dealing for him unless I’ve a got an extension in place. I’d personally prefer to hold onto Martinez, Moreno, Groshans, and Pearson. Cost effective internal replacements needed to afford Bo and Vlad.