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Phillies Reportedly Have Trea Turner As Top Priority

By Darragh McDonald | November 30, 2022 at 9:48am CDT

The Phillies have shortstop Trea Turner as their top priority, according to Jon Morosi of MLB Network. This lines up with reporting from Buster Olney and Jesse Rogers, both of ESPN, who each relay word from sources that feel the Phillies will sign one of the “Big Four” shortstops, which includes Turner as well as Carlos Correa, Xander Bogaerts and Dansby Swanson.

The Phillies have been looking for a solution at shortstop for a few years now. They signed Didi Gregorius going into 2020, giving him a one-year deal. He performed well enough in the shortened season to stick around on a two-year deal, but that went south almost immediately. After he hit just .209/.270/.370 in 2021, there was some speculation that the Phillies would jump into last year’s big shortstop sweepstakes, featuring Correa, Corey Seager, Javier Baez, Trevor Story and Marcus Semien.

They ultimately stayed on the sidelines, giving Gregorius a chance to redeem himself in the last year of his deal. That didn’t work out, as he hit .210/.263/.304 this year and got released in August. They had to turn to their backup plan, which was prospect Bryson Stott. He had struggled over the first couple of months, hardly surprising given that it was his first major league action, getting optioned to the minors in April but returning after just a couple of weeks.

At the end of May, Stott was sitting on a miserable .123/.179/.151 batting line for a wRC+ of -8. Something seemed to click in June, as he hit .257/.318/.401 for a wRC+ of 102 from that point on, bringing his final line up to .234/.295/.358 and a wRC+ of 83. His glovework at short was considered below average by Defensive Runs Saved and Outs Above Average, while Ultimate Zone Rating had him just a smidge above. That’s hardly a disastrous season for a rookie, but the Phils evidently didn’t see enough to consider Stott their long-term solution at the position and seem to be involved in the shortstop market for a second straight year. The club declined Jean Segura’s option, creating an opening at second base that Stott could theoretically fill. Both DRS and OAA liked his glovework better on that side of the bag, making it a sensible approach for the club.

While any of the four shortstops would be logical for this plan, Turner would certainly be an exciting fit. In his time in the big leagues so far, he’s proven himself to be one of the best all-around players in the game, succeeding in just about every aspect. In 849 career games, he’s hit 124 home runs and stolen 230 bases. His career batting line is .302/.355/.487, leading to a wRC+ of 124. UZR doesn’t like his work at shortstop, but both DRS and OAA have him above average for his career. For a Phillies team that’s full of sluggers like Kyle Schwarber, Nick Castellanos and Rhys Hoskins, a dynamic player like Turner, who turns 30 in June, would provide an exciting new element.

Of course, given his elite skills, he will have to paid at a high level. MLBTR predicted a contract of $268MM over eight years, an average annual value of $33.5MM. The Phillies currently have about $179MM committed to 2023, per Roster Resource, with a competitive balance tax number of $191MM. Last year’s Opening Day payroll was $229MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, meaning they still have plenty of room to work with if they plan on spending at a comparable level this year. They would likely want to keep some powder dry for addressing other needs, such as their pitching staff, but it’s easy to see how they could fit a Turner-sized contract in here. Even adding about $30MM or so to that CBT number doesn’t get them over the lowest threshold for 2023, which will be $233MM. Plus, given their World Series run in 2022, they likely banked some extra revenues that could potentially lead to a bigger budget in 2023.

Turner received and rejected a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, meaning any team that signs him will have to pay a cost beyond just the money. Since the Phillies paid the luxury tax in 2022, they would have to forfeit their second-highest and fifth-highest picks in the next draft, in addition to seeing their international bonus pool dropped by $1MM. If Turner does indeed sign with someone other than the Dodgers, they would receive an extra pick after the fourth round, a diminished return because they also paid the luxury tax this year.

Of course, the Phillies won’t be alone in any pursuit of Turner. Morosi mentions that the Giants are involved, but adds that they will likely want to see how the Aaron Judge situation plays out before pivoting to a shortstop pursuit. Turner’s also been connected in rumors to the Cubs and Mariners, while there are other teams that would make speculative sense. If one of those clubs would eventually edge out the Phillies and acquire Turner, they could pivot to the other big names, having already been connected to Bogaerts.

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  1. Stone

    3 years ago

    I’m glad they’re prioritizing him over the other 3, it just seems like he gives the most value, not to mention that he clearly likes to hit in the bank, man has tortured us for a while

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    • Francys01

      3 years ago

      Good news that the Phillies want to sign Trea Turner. He is a terrific player.

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  2. Yankee Clipper

    3 years ago

    Man, this is where I have Turner going despite my (delusional) hope he would sign with the Yankees of Judge went to SFG.

    He’s the guy to get, imho. Love Turner’s game, man. This would be an excellent, game-changing acquisition for the Phillies.

    Harper, Realmuto, Turner, Castellanos…. That’s some star power.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      Dang, I forgot Schwarber! How in the world did I forget him?!

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  3. CaptainJudge99

    3 years ago

    And as they should. Definitely taking him over Swanson or Correa. A no brainer.

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  4. Samuel

    3 years ago

    “Phillies Reportedly Have Trea Turner As Top Priority”
    –
    Good!

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  5. whosehighpitch

    3 years ago

    With Turner possibly leading off in that lineup, How many Homeruns does Schwarber hit in 2023

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    • drasco036

      3 years ago

      Less than 42.

      There is a reason Schwarber bats lead off and it’s not because of his base running ability or on base skills. Phillies are not going to move him down in the line up and discover all this hidden value in him as a hitter.

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  6. 13Morgs13

    3 years ago

    I love TT, and he would make the lineup even better. On that note, we need another SP, and another BP arm or two.

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  7. Rsox

    3 years ago

    With the rumors that his preference is going back east and The Phillies needing a middle infielder it’s all to perfect not to happen. But then, we thought the same thing about Starling Marte and the Phillies last year and that didn’t happen. I believe Philly is ultimately where Turner ends up though

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    • koldjerky

      3 years ago

      He wants back East and Phillies need both a middle infielder and leadoff hitter. I think the leadoff hitter is why they are prioritizing Turner over the other 3.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        DD is going to look for the glove and then the bat. XB is not really a SS. Last year was his best ever defensively, and he was barely average. Turner and Correa seem to be the best fits, and Correa will likely cost more, because of BORAS.

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  8. RFitz

    3 years ago

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    • CaptainJudge99

      3 years ago

      Sounds just like someone wanting to be closer to the wifey. Nothing wrong with that.

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    • dmbphils27

      3 years ago

      Go get ‘em Dave! Let’s goooo!

      Reply
  9. VonPurpleHayes

    3 years ago

    Turner and a quality starter positions this team for another playoff run.

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    • kabphillie

      3 years ago

      A 2-3 starter and someone to fill the back end would make me very happy in addition to signing Trea Turner.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        3 years ago

        Exactly.

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        • 30 Parks

          3 years ago

          Bassitt.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      I’m with 30Parks. After Rodon, who is the only power lefty in the market, Bassitt is the way to go out of the lower tier guys (ie, after DeGrom/JV), imho.

      I could see him performing very well in Philly, and being an excellent complement to ex-Mets SP Zach Wheeler & Nola.

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      • rememberthecoop

        3 years ago

        I agree Clipper! That’s my guy too.

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  10. lemonlyman

    3 years ago

    Turner
    Schwarbs
    Realmuto
    Harper
    Hoskins
    Castellanos
    Stott
    Bohm
    Marsh

    Pretty scary 1-9 with Sosa, Stubbs, and Maton available off the bench. If they can add some depth to the rotation and solidify the pen then there’s no reason they can’t repeat as NL champs.

    Reply
  11. Robrock30

    3 years ago

    Phillies should be all in on 1) Trea Turner for SS and 2) Cody Bellinger for OF Makes too much sense

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    • Stone

      3 years ago

      I respectfully disagree with Bellinger, I mean offensively he’s fallen off, I don’t think it’s worth the risk not to mention that our outfield is pretty much locked up with schwarber marsh and castellanos

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      • Robrock30

        3 years ago

        Bellinger in CBP Offense could Explode and Defense improves in OF and 1B on a cheap one year deal.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Bellinger has completely fallen off. Phils already have Marsh who brings solid defense. I’d rather they sign another starter than Bellinger.

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        • Robrock30

          3 years ago

          Defense is a Huge problem for the Phillies. Schwarber, Castellanos, and Hoskins in addition to Bohm are scary. Bellinger helps and if he can regain his power with Kevin Long at CBP Look Out

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        • Captain Dunsel

          3 years ago

          With the addition of Turner the offense and defense should be fine; Castellanos proved in the postseason that he can play right field well enough until Harper can return there. Additional spending is much better focused on a good additional starter and the bullpen.

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        • Cat Mando

          3 years ago

          Last off-season all I saw on these comment boards was the Phillies defense is a huge problem; the Phillies have no defense; the Phillies defense will sink them….they won’t even sniff the post-season.

          Their “terrible, worse ever, bottom of the barrel” defense did not keep them from making it to the WS and it won’t keep them from the post-season again. The concern and doom-n-gloom regarding their defense is over-rated IMHO

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        • HBan22

          3 years ago

          The Phillies have a full OF. Brandon Marsh is a quality defensive centerfielder and hit much better for the Phillies last season after coming over from the Angels, due to tweaking his swing upon arriving. He has the potential to be an above average overall CFer next season. The Phillies need to spend all of their off-season cash on a SS and pitching. The offense is largely set, as is.

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        • rememberthecoop

          3 years ago

          Although the advanced metrics don’t seem to agree. For ex, Marsh rates poorly in terms of UZR.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Not a big fan of UZR.

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        • brucebochyisthemarlboroman

          3 years ago

          Coop what’s his DRS and OAA?

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      • CarverAndrews

        3 years ago

        I don’t think that Bellinger is a priority for the Phils – not saying that it would be a bad depth move, but with the $$ left after a SS signing they will prioritize pitching. Belli will be looking for more guaranteed playing time anyway. If they didn’t pick up Marsh, then sure. Bellinger probably goes to a lesser or non-contender that is willing to gamble on the upside and lets him play every day.

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  12. 10centBeerNight

    3 years ago

    PHI in a very similar position as NYM 2015. Instead of assuming team found their mojo at end of season, they seem determined to address gaps to further make a complete team. Very wise

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  13. JoeBrady

    3 years ago

    I like Turner better for the Phils than Bogaerts. More of a typical lead-off hitter. This would push Schwarber (with his lead-off .317 OBP) down to the #2 slot. His speed might play more with the rule changes, and him on 1st would open more holes on the RH side for Schwarber.

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  14. Burt Schwartz

    3 years ago

    As much as I want them to get Turner and I am confident they will they absolutely must get another starting pitcher and a top tier relief pitcher. I know that is a lot to ask but if they want to be a top team in the National League that’s what it will take.

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  15. DCartrow

    3 years ago

    This intensifies the need for the Braves to keep Swanson.
    The Phils are gettin’ serious!

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  16. jedddu

    3 years ago

    My source got it from another source who got it from an agent who claimed to get it from me. It’s spreading.

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  17. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    Darragh, don’t even consider the Cubs. They refuse to go beyond 5 years, so they are unlikely to sign any of the 4 shoetstops. I know theybare always included by the media, but thays because they want the fanbase to believe theyre seriously interested. Plus, their preference is Correa anyway. But he isn’t going to sign in Chicago either.

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  18. hoof hearted

    3 years ago

    What middle infielder had a higher War than all those free agents? This player had a war of 6.4

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    • BaseballisLife

      3 years ago

      He is not a free agent and not on the trade market so it doesn’t matter.

      Cardinals are not trading Edman.

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      • rememberthecoop

        3 years ago

        Edman is one of the most underrated players in MLB. And I’m a Cubs fan who hates the Cardinals.

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  19. BaseballisLife

    3 years ago

    Olney and Rogers didn’t say the Phillies were prioritizing Turner, just that they were going after the top 4.

    This is the 2nd team Morosi has said was prioritizing Turner. It seems to me that MLB Network said, “hey Jon. We need you to post mire “rumors”. We need the clicks to our website. Can you make some stuff up that sounds halfway plausible? “

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  20. User 401527550

    3 years ago

    As a Mets fan this is the move I see happening and that I dread happening. This would put the Phillies as the best offense in baseball.

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  21. Don’s Ghost

    3 years ago

    Hurry up and do it. Get the stove burning

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  22. DadsInDaniaBeach

    3 years ago

    Greetings phellow phans. So, I prefer Trea to the others, but will not cry if they eventually go with one of the other three..So once again, to me it always comes down to the rotation..They need at least one starter. No, I do not expect them to get deGrom or Verlander. In fact, I think both are a huge risk. One with age, the other with injuries. There are other quality arms out there that would compliment the in house starters…after they get some arms, they should go and get more arms..Then, after that, arms to go with the arms..

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    • Captain Dunsel

      3 years ago

      In the opening words of Virgil’s Aenead, “Arma virumque cano”–“I sing of arms and the man (Turner)”.

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      • DCartrow

        3 years ago

        Sounds like you’re singing of arma and Robinson cano.

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        • Captain Dunsel

          3 years ago

          “Cano” translates as ” I sing”; it’s the source of words like cantor and cantillation. A more appropriate person might be Robinson Caruso.

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    • JackStrawb

      3 years ago

      @DadsInDaniaBeach Could not agree more. Good teams with solid chances of making the postseason should focus on winning once they get there. That usually means either a pitcher who can start in a 4-round postseason (since the Phillies aren’t likely to unseat the Braves for the NL East title), or elite bullpen arms.

      Both, ideally, but it’s a finite world.

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  23. Jake1972

    3 years ago

    He is one of the two guys the Cubs should be pursuing and yet they ain’t doing a thing.

    Whomever Turner signs with he will be a big plus for their team.

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  24. User 2079935927

    3 years ago

    But is Turner interested in them??????
    Find out in the next episode of Felix the Cat

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  25. splooz

    3 years ago

    “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    – Us Nats fans

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  26. docmilo5

    3 years ago

    A contract of $268MM over eight years, an average annual value of $33.5MM for a guy just hitting his downside of his career?

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    • JackStrawb

      3 years ago

      @docmilo5 Agreed. Turner on average would have to deliver 33-34 WAR to meet the typical benchmark of $8m per FA win—and even now he only projects to 5 wins in 2023, his age 30 season.

      A typical aging curve puts him on a path like this:

      5.0, 4.5, 4.0, 3.5, 3.0, 2.5, 2.0, 1.5 = 26 WAR

      And even that’s friendly, treating his speed as good enough to warrant a lineup spot in years seven and eight as opposed to those 36-37 year olds who are simply too slow to play any more.

      Even $9m per WAR is a target he’s not likely to hit, so the question becomes, are you willing to overpay an authentic star at a position of need by roughly $6m a year to significantly boost your chances of making the postseason the next couple of years?

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  27. bwmiller

    3 years ago

    I guess I’m a fan of Trea Turner with the Dodgers all this talk about him signing with the Phillies has me bummed. Dodgers wont be the same without Turner and Turner.

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  28. JackStrawb

    3 years ago

    Are there 2 teams that don’t need a top starting pitcher, rather than a top SS, if their aim is to get to and have a chance at winning the World Series?

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  29. Ma4170

    3 years ago

    As a met fan, unfortunately I see this signing as a foregone conclusion

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  30. This one belongs to the Reds

    3 years ago

    The rich get richer.

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  31. Dumpster Divin Theo

    3 years ago

    Trea Turner, better than what they have out there, Tina.

    Reply
  32. twisted laces

    3 years ago

    Cardinals

    Reply
  33. David Kupsick

    3 years ago

    Excellent player…however he does have the worst plate discipline of the 4 big names

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