Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson are the last of this offseason’s “big four” shortstops standing, and while many Braves fans may be holding out hope for a reunion with Swanson, Mark Bowman of MLB.com reports that Swanson and the Braves “haven’t had any legit negotiations since the offseason began.” Atlanta’s most recent offer to Swanson was a six-year deal in the $16-17MM range annually, per Bowman, which aligns with last month’s reports that the Braves had offered Swanson a deal in the vicinity of $100MM.
An offer in that range always felt light, even before the recent explosion of megadeals at the top end of the free-agent market. Trevor Story and Javier Baez both landed six-year, $140MM deals last winter, and MLBTR predicted a $154MM guarantee for Swanson back on our Top 50 free agent rankings. With Trea Turner landing $300MM, Xander Bogaerts getting $280MM and most of the top free agents landing larger-than-expected guarantees this winter, Swanson could well outpace that number, too. Certainly, the reported $96-102MM range in which the Braves last sat now feels even less plausible than it did a month ago.
While it’s apparent that the 11-year lengths of both the Turner and Bogaerts deals were rooted in a desire for the Phillies and Padres to mitigate some luxury-tax concerns, there’s also little denying that the overall guarantee of each contract exceeded most expectations. Turner was at least thought to have a chance at $300MM, but Bogaerts utterly shattered even the most bullish predictions by pulling in that $280MM sum. Moreover, because Bogaerts landed with a team that wasn’t even thought to be involved in the shortstop market, he lowered the supply of available shortstops without necessarily suppressing the demand (at least not in the same manner as he would have by signing with the Giants, Twins or another club active in this market).
As such, Swanson is now one of two remaining high-end shortstops in a market that has at least three teams — not including the incumbent Braves — aggressively looking to add a shortstop. Each of the Giants, Twins and Cubs are known to be active in the shortstop market, and it stands to reason that others could be on the periphery.
For example, the Red Sox, having just been spurned by Bogaerts, may not want to pay Correa’s price but could view Swanson as someone they could lure for a contract closer to what they reportedly offered Bogaerts (six years, $162MM). The Orioles, meanwhile, have at least gauged the asking price on the available shortstops, though it’d still register as a shock to see Baltimore earnestly jump into the Swanson bidding. The Cardinals had interest in Swanson but are likely out after instead making their free-agent splash at the catcher position, signing Willson Contreras to a five-year deal.
Perhaps as notable as the lack of offseason communications is Bowman’s further reporting that Swanson has been “bothered by the absence of communication” and recently reached out directly to Braves president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos. It’s hard to hear that and not think back to the free agency of Freddie Freeman last offseason, which obviously culminated in Freeman’s somewhat stunning departure from Atlanta and a six-year deal with the Dodgers.
To this point, there’s no indication that the Braves’ standing offer is their best and final offer. It’s possible that if Swanson comes to the Braves with serious offers from other suitors, Atlanta will commensurately up its offer to Swanson and his agents at Excel Sports Management (the same agency that represented Freeman).
That said, there have been hints since before the offseason even began that retaining Swanson is hardly a foregone conclusion. I broke down the Braves’ payroll and their proximity to the luxury tax months ago, and while both Braves CEO Terry McGuirk and Liberty Media CEO Greg Maffei have offered optimistic comments about being willing to field a top-five payroll, neither pointed out the fact that the Braves are already fairly close to that level — particularly with regard to their ongoing luxury-tax ledger, which is currently the fifth-largest in baseball. Indications since have been that the Braves won’t pursue the non-Swanson shortstops and that they may not have much of an appetite for committing any salary that “takes up too high a percentage of their payroll” (as reported by The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal in November).
As things stand, the Braves are just over $3MM shy of the $233MM luxury threshold, as projected by Roster Resource. Signing Swanson would likely take them in the range of $20MM over the tax, and any additional acquisitions (or a potential Max Fried extension) could push them well into the second tier and possibly to the precipice of the third tier. Crossing into that third tier would drop their pick in next year’s draft by 10 places. Braves brass has voiced a willingness to cross at least into that first luxury tier, but the fact that Atlanta acquired cash to help cover Joe Jimenez’s salary in their recent trade with the Tigers doesn’t necessarily portray a team that will cross that threshold with little concern.
Until he signs elsewhere, Swanson still has a chance to remain with his hometown Braves. However, a months-long lack of negotiations, a standing offer that’s likely well shy of his eventual price tag, and a market of at least two other motivated suitors casts plenty of doubt on whether Atlanta is the likeliest landing place for Swanson.
Milwaukee-2208
Bottom line is the braves don’t want him. If the Braves want you they don’t let you go to FA. It’s just a fact. He’ll be a cub I’m assuming
User 401527550
So they don’t want Fried back next year? He isn’t signing before free agency.
NashvilleJeff
Fried’s under control through 2024, so yeah….the Braves DO want him back next year.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Braves won’t follow the insane SS $ trend, they don’t want to be paying Swanson until he gets his first social security check…
Treehouse22
Swanson’s career wRC+ is 94. Last seasons wRC+ of 116 is a career year. Given that the other SS’s signed for 11 years, Swanson must be asking for at least 8. Bogaerts just got 11/$285, so 8/$200m sounds about right.
Treehouse22
For comparison: Turner’s 2022 wRC+ was 128 and his career wRC+ is 124. Bogaerts 2022 wRC+ was 134 and his career wRC+ is 118. Correa’s 2022 wRC+ was 140 and his career wRC+ is 130. All significantly greater than Swanson’s.
Ma4170
Clubs really only care about the last three seasons though, so it changes things a bit:
Turner 139
Bogaerts 131
Correa 130
Swanson 109
It puts him comfortably above average there, but still significantly less than the other three. But if you use WAR, it goes Turner 15.9, Bogaerts 12, Swanson 12, Correa 11.7.
I could see him end up around 7-161 maybe.
Treehouse22
I agree that 7/$161 ($23m AAV) makes sense, but nothing about this years signings makes any sense. Swanson will be overpaid, too. This also explains why my Pirates’ best player, Reynolds, wants traded now. He knows he will never be more valuable than he is right now. Not only because he’s a switch hitting, All-Star, center fielder with 3 years more team control, but also because this years market has been so insane.
Ma4170
Agree, these contracts are very inflated, and I wonder if we’ll see a correction on the mid tier guys in the next year or two like we saw a few offseasons ago
Ma4170
@budget I do think you’ll get a team to overpay in a trade for Reynolds btw
Treehouse22
Well, if we must lose him, I hope you are right.
Ma4170
I just think there’s such a high demand for him… look how many teams were in on nimmo
fred-3
No, they only want you on a team friendly deal. You’re dead to them the second you try to get market value.
Dustyslambchops23
Market value is whatever contract you willingly accept
fred-3
You need a competitive market to get market value
Dustyslambchops23
So then don’t sign the extension and wait to see your market.
myaccount2
Uhh, yeah, Dusty. That’s the point. This comment makes your previous comment irrelevant. Market value is in no way, shape, or form dictated by a contract signed before going to market since that player never tested the market.
nottinghamforest13
Fred – your lack of understanding for the principles of economics is on full display with this comment.
fred-3
Dusty, you’re proving my point. They never get fair market because they never hit the open market.
Dustyslambchops23
players are not forced to take team friendly deals, Fred’s comment lacked this very crucial detail.
Dustyslambchops23
No you don’t have a point. They don’t hit the open market because they WILLINGLY agree to an extension.
If they wanted to test the waters of free agency they are perfectly fine to do so after their 6 year commitment.
fred-3
You’re point words in my mouth. Who said they’re forced to sign an extension? I just said the Braves prefer players take team-friendly extensions. The second a player hits free agency (the open market), they typically go elsewhere.
Dustyslambchops23
“You’re dead to them the second you try to get market value.“
Your words
fred-3
lol this statement is still true. Homegrown Braves that hit free agency go elsewhere because the Braves aren’t willing to pay what the market ends up paying them.
myaccount2
Okay, but that has nothing to do with their market value. That’s just a decision they’ve made.
myaccount2
Your original point was good but it’s strayed further and further away. You’re making a ton of false equivalencies. This is another one.
Jean Matrac
The fact that some players choose to accept team-friendly deals to remain is irrelevant to the question of whether the Braves are willing to sign players at the market rate.
Jdt8312
Market value is whatever you’re being offered. It’s not what you’re willing to accept. Market value is how the market views you. What you’re willing to accept reflects what the player’s priorities are.
Benjamin101677
Yes but I think we will be happy that we don’t have an older shortstop or first base with an upside down contract.
Just an example between what freeman wanted and olson took was about 6 million a year less olson took. So we have payroll space.
Nobody wants swanson at 20 million over like 7-8 years the back end will be upside down
fivepoundbass
Signing an early extension has nothing to do with market value, because there is no market. Your choices are to extend, or go through the pre-arb and arbitration processes.
LordD99
Dusty, you don’t understand market value.
RunDMC
Isn’t that typically the case though? A player reaches FA – he does not re-sign with the team? That’s the point of getting an extension done beforehand, which the team is more successful than anyone in doing. Sure, a player will leave some money on the table for guaranteed dollars up-front, while avoiding an arbitration process and focusing on playing for a winning team. Team will pay, they just aren’t going to overpay and don’t want any one person taking up too much of the payroll that continues to climb.
vtncsc
Not sure I agree w/ this take. I think they want him, but they want him on their comfort level of terms. AA isn’t gonna blow the “budget” they set for him just to keep him.
Dansby deserves to see what the market will give him, and he very well may end up somewhere other than Atlanta. I’d venture to guess that AA has a plan in place should Dansby move on (not just Grissom at SS)
pt57
Why not Grissom at SS?
NashvilleJeff
“Why not Grissom at SS?” Guessing you didn’t watch him butcher 2B last season.
pt57
I’d almost rather they pivot to keeping Horner at SS, sign Seguara or Frazier, keep Madrigal, and use the money to go after Rodon. They could also sign a 3B and some sort of flyer contract (Sano?) for DH.
hammertime
I think they have the pieces to get Reynolds from Pittsburgh. Now that requires using Grissom in the deal with 2-3 young pitchers.
Elder, Muller, Vines, & Grissom get the deal done or close.
Benjamin101677
I don’t think the Braves have the pieces for reynolds. Whoever gets him will be an over pay in prospects and Atlanta doesn’t have the boat load of prospects.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Rodon will get more than Dansby, even apart from Segura.
I like Nico as a long-term piece.
Fred McGriff HR
@Hammertime
Why would the Braves give up all that for one player? Just no.
cash3w
I agree. As much as I want Dansby back, the recent signings will significantly increase his cost beyond the Braves’ appetite here. Sad to see him go, but good for him. He has been an amazing shortstop during his tenure and deserves that contract. That said, I feel the Braves value defense over the offense at SS. LF is a problem if production drops at SS, so my fear is moving Contreras and many top pieces from a depleted farm for the Pirates’ Reynolds to compensate for Swanson’s production.
Mystery Team
Oh I think his plan has been Grissom since his call up. The fact that Grissom played well only solidified Swanson’s outcome in Atlanta. Quite frankly I like Swanson but not any where near what some of these SS are getting. The Braves will be fine without him.
Francys01
I don’t rule out the Cardinals to sign Swanson. If we see that they aren’t a lot of offers for Swanson the Cardinals could jump in and sign him. There are several teams that are looking for a shortstop, but it depends if they are willing to spend close or more than 200 million. Mozeliak said Tommy Edman is our shortstop, but he will look at the market to see. I think he will be getting a contract close to 200 million, maybe 180-190. But, since this off-season some players are getting pay super well like Taijuan Walker, Degrom, Bogaerts to name a few he could be getting more 225 million.
Big whiffa
At this point in the market I agree 100% and wouldn’t be surprised if he was a cardinal by days end. Although in different divisions the braves and cardinals are rivals when it comes to what and how the teams are built out. So to secure the top catcher for great value and arenado not opting out – cards are in a prime position for a slight overpay on Swanson.
Add rodon and they are NL favorites IMO, but only due to how weak the central is
Francys01
Big whiffa- You are right. I would like to have Rondon in my team, but I don’t see it happening. Rondon is looking for a 7 year contract and the Cardinals are not looking to sign a top starting pitcher. To me Swanson makes more sense at the moment. He could fit perfectly in the Cardinals lineup and we could give it a try as the leadoff hitter. We haven’t had good results from our leadoff hitters for a long time now. I would be satisfied if the Cards could sign Corey Kluber, Swanson and one or two relievers for this off-season.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
How was the Cardinals signing part-time catcher Contreras to a 5-year contract at $90 mill such “a great value”???
Jose Tattoo-vay
I truly hope the Cardinals sign him after that less than desirable Contreras signing.
Deadguy
This very well could happen?
ForeverGiantsFan
There is plenty of interest in Swanson. Hope he signs with the Giants. Crawford is about to retire.
Benjamin101677
The Braves can’t have him as their highest paid player. He can’t make more than Acuna; olson or Riley. He would have to give a home town discount and Swanson not doing that
Sunday Lasagna
@Benjamin101677, during Riley’s age 29-35 seasons the Braves will be paying him $168M, $22M each season. During Olson’s age 29-35 seasons the Braves will be paying him $167M, 21M followed by six years at $22M. But the Braves only offered Dansby an approximate 6 year about $100M deal so only to age 34, one less year than the other guys and an AAV of about $16M vs their $22M each? I understand discount, but is Swanson really only worth 72% of Riley or Olson?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think Riley will be a top five in mvp voting next year.
Braveslifer
@Wampum go look at the offense of the three (Swanson, Riley, Olson). Swanson isn’t producing like Riley and Olson. He is streaky as well.
Baseball Purist
Most likely. His wife plays for the Chicago Red Stars (soccer) and they will be able to spend time at their actual home when scheduling permits. Cubs need a SS (moving Hoerner to 2nd) and they have the money to spend…
SocoComfort
It’s kind of bad idea to accept a deal bc that’s where your wife works when she is a soccer player. Soccer player careers are less reliable or can be in regards to teams you play for. She may want to play in Europe for a while to as female professional soccer is growing far faster than here. Chicago would be a great city to fly out of for a home-base tho. Not saying it isn’t a possibility but her career can be less reliable than his as far as playing with teams. I’m saying Alex Morgan has played for 9 teams in her career.
Yankee Clipper
Wait, so his wife kicks balls for a living? Well, wouldn’t want to make her mad. I’d be headed to Chicago.
Jean Matrac
So the Braves didn’t want Freeman? @fred-3 is right. Had Freeman accepted a team-friendly deal, he’d still be a Brave, as would Swanson, if he’d give them a home team discount.
Benjamin101677
Atlanta not going over pay and have back end upside deals. If Atlanta wasn’t going pay 25 million a year to freeman they for sure aren’t going pay it to Swanson.
Jean Matrac
Benjamin, I completely agree, but that doesn’t negate at all that the Braves only want you on a team friendly deal.
RunDMC
@tad2b13 – ATL’s final offer to Freeman was better than the deal he accepted from LAD when factoring in CA taxes and deferred payments (which Freeman inexplicably is not charging interest on).
If by “they only want you on a team-friendly deal” means “they don’t want to pay high dollars for historically what will be your least productive years”, then sure.
Jean Matrac
RunDMC, But you’re talking money when years was what was important to Freeman. He wanted 6 years and the Dodgers, not the Braves were willing to offer that. And as to money, almost every player out there will take less for more years.
And yes, today market value means paying for a couple years of reduced production at the end of the deal. That’s the price of doing business, otherwise you don’t sign high-end, in demand, FAs.
I’m not faulting the Braves for how they’ve chosen to operate. They like early extensions, and avoid high-priced FAs. It’s as good a philosophy as any. But knowing that and then denying that they only want you at below market value seems paradoxical.
yetipro
The Braves believe in Ron Washington’s ability to turn marginal defensive infielders into above average or excellent fielders.
See Dansby Swanson, Austin Riley, Eric Chavez, many others cite Washington specifically.
They have a marginal defensive shortstop with a good bat already on the team for almost nothing. They could put Marcell Ozuna at SS & probably still make the playoffs.
NashvilleJeff
Usually agree w/most of your posts yeti, but if you’re saying that Arcia or Grissom have “a good bat” I can’t agree w/that. Arcia’s 104wRC+ last season was the first time he’d ever been a league average bat. Grissom’s first 54 ML ab’s were good. His next 104 were as putrid as his cringeworthy defense at 2B. Big fan of Wash, but I don’t believe he’ll magically gift Grissom w/adequate range. SS is going to be an ugly downgrade if Grissom, Arcia, or Shewmake are the only options. Imo, the Braves FO is foisting a pipe dream on fans by claiming Grissom is a suitable replacement at SS. I’d rather they just fess up that signing Swanson might get them into the 2nd level of the luxury tax as the reason they won’t re-sign Swanson. Btw—I watched Swanson a lot at Vandy, and he was a good defender at both 2b and SS. Agree that Wash helped him refine his technique, but he didn’t turn a toad into a prince. Swanson wasn’t drafted 1-1 solely for his bat.
RunDMC
FWIW, Swanson broke out defensively in 2022 after years of work with Wash. He’s always struggled with routine plays, while making up for it by making above-average plays. His first full season he had -5 OAA (outs above average), while in ’22 he led at SS with 20 OAA, though he’d never made more than 7 OAA in any other season. He almost tripled his OAA total from previous seasons…in a contract year. While there’s going to be a step down from a Swanson playing career-best defense in his prime to Grissom in his first full year — if that is the replacement — but it’s not fair to compare Swanson’s career-best defense to a rookie in his first cup of coffee playing out of position at 2B because of injury. Fact is, Wash as supposedly signed off on him since working with him in the offseason — if that’s the case, then Braves Country, let’s ride!
NashvilleJeff
What’s Wash supposed to say about him? “This kid blows, he’s absolutely got no chance to be any better at SS than he was butchering 2B last year.” Lol, c’mon. PR from the Braves playing CYA on the SS dilemma. They know Grissom’s going to be a huge downgrade at the position—on both sides of the ball. Slap happy weak contact approach at the plate, and no range, bad footwork, meh arm on defense. Decent odds he’s back in AAA after 30 days if they gift him the starting job.
RunDMC
I get it, but there’s still low-priced options that can be a bridge. But don’t forget that Swanson had a lot of defensive issues that were refined over the years by Wash. No, Grissom isn’t where Swanson one in his first full year (partially b/c Swanson had a few addt years of SEC play at Vandy to aide), but I think we should put more stock in Wash even if some of it is PR.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yeti pro says
“They could put Marcell Ozuna at SS & probably still make the playoffs.”
Merriam-Webster can use that post to define hyperbole.
iverbure
Braves no how to run a organization. Virtually perfect in free agent signings. Other than Ozuna they’ve been excellent. You notice how they never sign any free agents to 10 year deals, always make guys take a home town discount? Damn near perfectly ran. They spend a bit too much money I think they can be better pairing back the payroll.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Morton doesn’t seem to have given much of a discount
RunDMC
He is giving a discount. Only a 1 year deal (team option for 2nd year at the same pay rate with NO buyout). So he’s making the same in 2023 ($20M) as he was at the last year of his previous contract — he’s not getting a raise – maybe b/c even he didn’t think he deserved one after 2022. The lack of a buyout and only 1 year is a savings of at least $3-5M, and almost turns it into a QO.
I know a lot scoff at his deal because of the ’22 season, but remember that his ST was cut short by the lockout AND rehab from the fractured fibula in ’21 WS. He never was consistently himself, and then had another freak injury in playoffs (hit by a comebacker on pitching elbow). If he has a normalized offseason, and he’s healthy, I don’t know why wouldn’t get his normal production, even despite his age.
Deadguy
Pay up Atlanta he’s ur boy
ForeverGiantsFan
I think Giants should pivot from Correa (competing with Yankees) and try to sign Swanson. They may actually be able to sign a good shortstop.
Jimbo_Jones
The Braves are out. They’ll observe the Mets and watch the Phils crush it
Dorothy_Mantooth
You could make the case that Atlanta paid market value for both Marcel Ozuna and Charlie Morton…just saying.
VonPurpleHayes
I thought for sure the Braves would retain him, but the market has been out of control so the Braves may be out. Chicago? San Fran? Who knows?
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Anaheim
prov356
Anaheim has been my prediction all along for Swanson. There’s been very little chatter though so maybe not. Moreno is always closed about what he’s doing behind the scenes, usually because it’s a stupid move. But we need a SS so this makes perfect sense.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
I thought dodgers would sign Correa but since reports say they’re out, I think Carlos ends up in SF.
I could see Dansby ending up in Anaheim like Trumbo suggests.
It’s funny that LA refuses to spend while other teams give out 9 figures and 8-11 year contracts.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dodgers either want to reset the luxury tax or plan to extend Julio Urias.
I still pick the Dodgers to win the division just slightly ahead of the Padres. I have a lot of confidence in Urias-Kershaw-Gonsolin. More so than in Darvish-Musgrove-Martinez. Betts-Freeman-Smith-Vargas is behind Machado-Soto-Tatis-Bogaerts. Lux-Taylor-Muncy seems comparable to Cronenworth-Grisham-Nola. Both teams could use a cheap pickup like Wil Myers or Adam Duvall.
SODOMOJO
It’s really not that surprising to me. The Braves don’t like to overpay. Dansbys a great player but his contract will probably be more reflective his single best season in 2021. The old “contract year” season. It just doesn’t feel very Braves to me.
Granted, he has taken a big step forward pertaining to pitch selection and plate discipline since the COVID season thats led to the great offensive numbers.
flamingbagofpoop
I’ll assume you mean 2022. He had his highest full season babip by ~50 points, so I wouldn’t expect him to repeat that. I think you’re right that he’ll get paid based on that instead of most of his career. If you subtract 2022, Dansby has been more average to above average than good.
SODOMOJO
*2022. Thank you.
SODOMOJO
I was not even privy to the average on balls in play numbers. Wowza. Yeah I won’t be touching him with a ten foot pole this year for fantasy, regardless of where he ends up
Ma4170
I think you can expect somewhere in between 2021 and 2022 for the next few years. Good production, but after 2-3 more years, I could see him falling off considerably. Plus he’s always hit better at home, so there’s that if he leaves Atlanta.
RunDMC
Dansby had a career-high in strikeouts and almost career-low in walks, so he could have a career-high in HR. He’s usually good w/RISP, but not so much in 2022. Sure, on the surface it looks like he had a big leap forward, but even it the power boost he only managed a 115 OPS+ (100 OPS+ is average) in part because of chasing. Considering he’s only been above 100 OPS+ twice, the real breakout for him was defensively when he had 20 OAA (outs above average) when he’d only had as many as 7/full season, leading MLB SS. That defense will carry that contract — so hopefully he doesn’t sign too many seasons where age catches up to him.
Idosteroids
AA works in the dark..so who knows if the Swanson news is actually true. Max Fried’s extension is getting more expensive by the day. Almost feels like if its not done this offseason…he will test the FA market.
User 401527550
He would be crazy not to go to free agency. He would have ten teams lined up with brinks trucks for him next year.
Awesom-O
Agreed. He’d have at least half the league lining up to pay him ridiculous money.
Idosteroids
Which makes one wonder if a blockbuster trade is on the horizon..
vtncsc
It’s not, at least not involving Fried. Fried isn’t a FA until 2025. No way Atlanta trades him before summer of ’24, if that. It would take a collapse of Atlanta to trade him.
Idosteroids
Not a collapse at all.. Spectacular talent in return. Gives flexibility to go get woodruff/adames…or lump ozuna with prospects in a salary dump. AA works in mysterious ways.
Benjamin101677
Braves don’t have the prospects for a block buster trade
Idosteroids
…………………………….yet
DTD/ATL1313
They have young pitchers that teams would love to have and young players with lots of control left like Grissom and Contreras. They absolutely have the ammo to get a big deal done.
User 401527550
Contreras is to valuable to the Braves. I don’t see him being involved in any trade.
DTD/ATL1313
I don’t think he will be either, just pointing out that they have young guys to get who they want.
Idosteroids
lol
rennick
@Mets6986, The Brinks truck reference is spot on!
VonPurpleHayes
Good point about AA. No one knows what Atlanta is up to…ever. So they could have had discussions privately and no one would know.
John Smoke
Don’t you treat me like no dog, gimme cootie cat.
Awesom-O
Gotta believe the cubs have a pretty good shot. I prefer Correa obviously, but I think the FO is a little gun shy after the heyward deal. I hope that’s not the case but the “intelligent spending” agenda that they’ve been pushing this off-season makes you wonder.
Dustyslambchops23
Out of all the contracts handed out I have a feeling this is going to be the worst one
SODOMOJO
Agreed. It just feels like he’s gonna get way more than he should.
Dustyslambchops23
It’s going to be a heyward 2.0
flamingbagofpoop
Heyward immediately dropped from a 3-4ish win player to a 1-2ish win player upon signing that deal. I imagine Dansby would offer enough value on defense to make that much of a drop unlikely. I think 2022 was probably his peak, but I have a hard time seeing him not beat 4.7fwar over the next 3 years (that’s what Heyward did his first 3 years), barring injury.
Dustyslambchops23
DS is going to get more years and AAV so expectations will be higher. But fair point for sure
flamingbagofpoop
You think he’s gonna beat 8/184? Given how this offseason has gone, you’re probably right, but that is yikes-worthy.
DTD/ATL1313
Bogaerts, Nimmo, Judge, deGrom, and Turner say hello
Terry B
Going to team up with Freddie Freeman again!
Digdugler
Swanson is kind of overrated. I mean hes not bad but hes not in the giga level he has been put into this off season. At least not when you are extending 6+ years.
Awesom-O
Unless you’re a team like the cubs, that seems to be trying to put an elite defense on the field to cancel out their lineup being just mostly okay. And a staff that isn’t particularly swing and miss. I’m warming up to the idea of Swanson on the cubs. Not all in on the idea until Correa makes a decision though
flamingbagofpoop
It seems like people are treating Swanson like he’s closer to his 2022 production than he is to his 2021 production, going forward. I think that’s a mistake. 6/120 is the highest I’d want to see the cubs go on him, but I have a feeling that’s going to be very light.
NashvilleJeff
@flaming: 2022 was last season. 2021 was 2 years ago. Technically Swanson is “closer to his 2022 production than he is to his 2021 production.” Heh…..heh….heh…….Sorry, just couldn’t resist………..
Tom Emansk1
They know he’s mid.
Awesom-O
Mid-infield*
I kid…
advplee
This lie that the Braves won’t spend money is absurd. They just spent a fortune this year on Harris, Strider, and Riley. Having more money to spend does not mean limitless money to spend. I like Dansby but I think the market has priced him out of the Braves comfort zone.
Awesom-O
I’m jealous over what Atlanta has done, locking up so much talent when the time/cost was right. They’re gonna be good for the next decade with or without fried and Swanson.
Sunday Lasagna
Those long term buy outs of arbitration and early free agency years look great until injuries (Albies) and attitude (Acuna) creep in. When everyone is producing AA is a genius, but those deals could easily become an albatross.
Samuel
WampumWalloper;
That’s where have a strong organization comes in…..
Starting with the major league manage and coaching staff.
All organizations are not equal.
DTD/ATL1313
Attitude hasn’t effected Acuna, a freak knee injury has. And all contracts have injury risk no matter when it is signed. Those deals a re very cheap and far from an albatross. Absolutely horrible take.
Hammerin' Hank
The Albies deal is a major win for the Braves, even if he’s injured half the time. He’s playing for peanuts, given his ability. And Acuna was almost as much of a bargain, signed to a contract that’s way under his market value.
Benjamin101677
When swanson went to free agency it was pretty clear that he and the Braves were probably done. Swanson is chasing money and the Braves aren’t giving up crazy money
HalosHeavenJJ
I think a lot of this is relationships and communication.
There’s no need to call a guy every day if there’s an understanding you’ll get a chance to jump in the game once he hears numbers from other teams.
NashvilleJeff
Sensible take, Halos. Swanson’s also getting married tomorrow. His agents are probably doing all the talking for him now.
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Nashville!!! Agreed
NashvilleJeff
Hey Trumbo! Watch out for the Grinch-like pikers this holiday season………..
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Hahahaha They are swarming like locusts this year Nashville!!!!
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No good freakin Pikers!!!!
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Always remember Nashville…A piker walks at the bell…A piker asks how much vacation time they get in the 1st year….Vacation?!?!???
NashvilleJeff
You get it Trumbo! They also have this kind of fishy stink about them……..
HalosHeavenJJ
LOVE that movie.
adkuchan
Probably got tougher pre-nup negotiations than free agency ones.
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HHJJ Agreed
Bobby smac9
Here’s Chaim Bloom’s opportunity .
DTD/ATL1313
It would be a stupid move for Boston. They can just put Story back at SS and go after a second baseman. It’ll save them a ton of money.
Saint Nick
The Braves don’t want Swanson and as a fan, I don’t either. Don’t get me wrong he’s a great player but he strikes out way too much and his best season was in his walk year. The Braves on the other hand appear to be pinching pennies again compared to the other big market teams. Looks like Grissom is the SS and Rosario is back in LF. Hopefully that will be enough to snag that final wild card spot.
vtncsc
Pinching pennies? The braves are projected right now to be at $226m for 2023.
GTFO of here w/ that noise.
Braves20
I would be shocked if the Braves stand pat in LF if they miss out on Swanson.
Benjamin101677
If the Braves miss on swanson I think that Atlanta starts the season with Eddie Rosario in left field. The names left on the free agent market aren’t the names you want to go to luxury tax penalty with.
Atlanta also doesn’t have the farm system to do a major trade. It would kill their farm system and most trades Atlanta would be out bid by other teams for.
I think Atlanta’s team is pretty much the team that goes to spring training. If in spring training our pitchers are all healthy and throwing well than you could see a trade from the depth but not until than I believe
Appalachian_Outlaw
Upgrading LF is the route I see them going. They have Arcia, and he’s more than capable of holding down SS defensively. He just doesn’t offer much with the bat. If you add a bat in LF, you just have one offensive hole at SS. They played last year with a offensive hole in LF and won the division.
And LF will be cheaper to fill either via FA or trade.
DTD/ATL1313
If they Braves didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have already offered him a contract. They don’t want him at these asinine contract values and who can blame them?
Bryzzo2016
Not sure what Atlanta is thinking. They let Freeman walk and seemed poised to let Dansby do the same. Wake me up when Acuna Jr hits the open market.
vtncsc
Atlanta didn’t let Freeman walk. Freeman made his choice and demanded that 6th year – and also let his agents do most of the work/talking. At a certain point, w/ no end in sight, AA makes a move for the better of the team. Freeman wasn’t bigger than the team.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nah. Both Atlanta and Freeman got what they wanted don’t blame it on the agents’ communication.
Jean Matrac
Atlanta refusing to match the 6 year offer from the Dodgers is the very definition of “letting him walk”.
Awesom-O
That’s ALOT of hibernating
NashvilleJeff
Acuna’s signed through 2028 (w/2 club options). We’ll wake you up in 2029 but you have to promise to change your screen name to Dope van Winkle.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
…or if he’s a weightlifter, “Ripped Van Winkle”
cpdpoet
Oh man that should have been a WWF wrestler back in the day…..
Balk
Just read on bleacher report the Giants aren’t heavily engaged with talks on Correa. Lmao!!! This team is going to have pickets outside their stadium instead of fans entering to see them play.
cookmeister 2
bleacher report is a crock dude. Yesterday they had a picture of CP3, Kobe and Pau asking “what if the trade happened?” not realizing Pau was in the trade. They’re clueless
Balk
Bahaha, really? I didn’t know that, and to be honest never really liked any of their articles. Was click bait I guess lol
DS1
Losing Swanson would be tough for the Braves, but Anthropolous doesn’t overpay. The team moved on from Freeman, they’ll do the same with Swanson if he goes for the largest offer.
I d love to see him stay, but I don’t begrudge him for going for the highest contract.
Redwolves3
Zaidi has boxed himself and the Giants in a corner with little hope of signing a SS to a reasonable contract. And Zaidi has lost face with Giants fans this offseason.
NashvilleJeff
Seems like losing your face would make it really difficult for friends and family to recognize you.
Samuel
Redwolves3;
Wrote the same thing to you the other day, as well as got called names and was told I was having a stroke – yuk yuk yuk – when I said the Giants were no destination for a top-tier free agent. That team has nothing on their 26 man roster nor a group of at least 8-10 solid prospects in the high minors that any FA that has an choice of teams is going to want to get locked into a long-term contact with.
Fans can come on here and talk up their roster and prospects, but the better player agencies do their own research and make it clear to their clients what they’ll be walking into. And the players know the players. They call around.
Mr. Zaidi is what I ran into working some in the Bay Area – many that also went to school at Berkeley…..a lot of very bright technical people that can do some nice things, but they miss the overall picture. Mr. Zaidi started with the A’s and was an assistant to Billy Beane and maybe others. He was the technical wiz in the same way that Paul DePodesta was (a hero of the Moneyball book). But DePodesta stumbled as what was then called a GM with the Dodgers. He couldn’t run a Baseball Ops organization – he was a detail man.
I’m not familiar with the Giants owner. Some poster here said he cut the budget the past few years. I’d say the issues with Giants baseball start at the top – the owner and Mr. Zaidi….and that manager you have ought to stay out of politics and get some professional guidance on how to coach up players – because he didn’t do it in Philly and he isn’t doing it is SF (and I wouldn’t be surprised that FA’s are weary of him as well).
Hammerin' Hank
Free agents don’t care who else is on the roster or who the top prospects are. They’re going to sign with who can give them the most money 90 percent of the time. The Giants are in fine shape right now. They wisely don’t have a lot of large contractual obligations in the near future. Plus, they’ve been transforming pitchers from average to great recently, such as with Gausman. Kapler is a fine manager, evidenced by their great success in 2021 with a roster that he got more out of than their actual talent. Unless a player has a great fear of earthquakes, lol, then I don’t see the lack of appeal in going to the Giants. They play in a beautiful park and Zaidi is a good GM. Sorry he’s not old-school enough for you.
william-2
I doubt they would do it, but the way contracts are going Swanson makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox. If you can lock him up at his age for 6 to 7 years at 20 or less, I would jump on him. We are talking about a contract through age 36? I am fine with that knowing what he is, and also what he isn’t.
The internal argument against this could only be Marcelo Meyers (Jeter Downes to me is a non-issue. He will not be a starter on this team now, or ever imho). You have a chance at a known commodity in Swanson. I don’t have a crystal ball if Meyers will be a bust, injured, or better than Swanson. I do know no one knows for sure, and Meyers is probably worth in a package a potential ace caliber pitcher potentially in the future if delt before anyone finds out what he really is. Swanson is a plus defensive shortstop coming off a gold glove. His offensive numbers at Fenway will be better (as it is for nearly all humans that play there). Expecting a 10 plus point jump in average, an extra 5+ doubles and a couple extra homers would be a natural expectation. I would certainly welcome a gold glover that would most likely have a line of .265+ AVG at minimum at Fenway, 25+ HR, 85+ RBI, 35+ doubles, and enough range to prevent Devers from killing himself clanking grounders in the hole.
The way prices are for short stops worth a damn, this would look like a good deal by year 3 when we find out Farty McDouche just made 30 million a year over 13 years into age 40 because that is what the market is for a descent player.
bravesnation nc
This market is insane! Guys are getting a crazy amount of years. Fringy players are getting 20M per. With all the 8 plus year contracts and no trade clauses teams are going to have to make decisions on the latter part of some of these deals whether to release a guy or platoon them. Saying the Braves are cheap is insane, they just aren’t going to overpay or outbid another team to turnaround and get burned on the backend of the deal. Take out the remarkable 22 season Pujols had and look at those other years with the Angels. This is one of the all time great players so I could see how enticing giving him that contract was but they got smoked in the deal.
Samuel
bravesnation nc;
Tried to tell you this the other day.
AA learned his lesson in Toronto.
The Braves and Astros are the 2 large mid-market / small large-market teams that draw the line when they have to and remain sustainable contenders.
Teams don’t have to pay outrageous salaries for questionable player when they have good scouting / acquisition people, a solid farm system that develops players, and a great coaching staff at the ML level that gets the best out of them.
Skell 2
Good idea. The way things are going he’s prob asking for 18 years and $290 million
TennVol
Vaughn Grissom is the SS of the near and far future.
NashvilleJeff
Grissom (ugh.) Yikes. No more of that spiked egg nog for you until after Christmas…….
cpdpoet
Started my day with “spiked” eggnog bacon and waffles,it’s tree decorating day!
bravesnation nc
Ohhhh and Freeman got shafted by his agents that’s why he fired them. Balling his eyes out at Truist because he knew what he left behind. Braves offer would have payed him about the same or a little more when you factor it all in. BB Abbott (Olson, Chipper’s) agent said it in a article “ You work with AA to strike a deal not against him” Trying to play other teams over this organization isn’t going to work they will move in a different direction. I want them to spend money too but the moves AA makes and how no one player is bigger than that tomahawk on the front of the jersey.
Samuel
bravesnation nc;
Can’t count them up exactly nor rank them, but there are maybe 6-8 superior / classy / stable organizations in MLB.
The Braves are surely one of them.
GiantsX3
The Braves are allowing the market to take shape and slow down to avoid overpaying for Swanson. This is smart even if they don’t resign him.
fearthecub
Swanson seems like a very similar player to Baez. Strong defensive skills. Lots of strikeouts. Streaky hitter.
Baez seems to have more isolated power and slug. Swanson has slightly more on base potential due to taking more walks.
Baez had a rough first year with Detroit, but I’m not sure you can write him off completely.
Anyways, my point being it’s difficult to understand how a front office can justify a similar long-term free agent contract for one player but not for the other. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for me.
Joeyg2033
The Mets will pay…
Max Scherzer
Justin Verlander
…$173.3M over the next 2 seasons.
The Braves will pay…
Matt Olson
Ronald Acuña Jr.
Raisel Iglesias
Austin Riley
Ozzie Albies
Michael Harris II
Spencer Strider
…$171M over the next 2 seasons.
Unbelievable how the Braves sign six All-Star caliber players just entering their prime for the price of two 40 something old war horse pitchers. This is why Braves don’t spend $300m for one player… It’s called fiscal sanity.
User 401527550
Olson is the only one that wouldn’t be pre arbitration or arbitration eligible. Not really an apple to apples comparison.
Armaments216
Olson and Iglesias. But yes that’s the point of the early-career extensions. The Braves are building around those and augmenting with short-term high-AAV contracts. Seems pretty clear they’re not going to enter into long term FA contracts. Unless Swanson wants a short term pillow contract, he’ll be playing elsewhere.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Looks the earlier reports I seen somewhere of rolling with a platoon of Arcia/Grissom might happen. I’m guessing they might try and do some kind of salary dump like Ozuna for something. I just don’t know how good this Braves team will be without Swanson. Might be a fighting for a wild card spot unless they can swing a nice trade. They already traded Malloy to the Tigers for a 1 year of a reliever I’m not too big on. I’m guessing either Shewmake is also in the running for SS or trade bait but personally I’d like to see what he can do. I think a Grissom/Shewmake platoon might not be to bad if the can unload Ozuna and find a decent hitting left fielder via trade.
NashvilleJeff
Shewmake’s defense is ML ready, but his bat isn’t. Little power, contact issues, and K’s too much. His biggest problem is that he’s been unable to stay on the field because of poor health and injury issues. Imo, he’s got utility player for a non contender as his most likely future. As a Braves fan, I hope I’m wrong about both Grissom and Shewmake. The Braves are in a bad place at SS. Smh at their apparent willingness to significantly downgrade the SS position.
Benjamin101677
The Braves are not a bad team; also realize this the Mets team currently not up to the level of the 2022 team. The Braves team is maturing and heading towards prime. The Mets team especially first half had a lot of luck.
With the Braves adding no more players the Braves on paper are a top 5 team in baseball. They should be in the division race. If something crazy happens remember there are 3 wild cards so Atlanta will be right there.
User 401527550
The Mets are better then 2022. They are building a better rotation and bullpen. The Mets have the number 1 and 19 prospect starting opening day. The Braves are worse then 2022. Losing starting shortstop, closer and other bullpen arms. No teams win 101 games by luck.
Joeyg2033
You can’t be serious. Even with the insane and nonsensical money spent by Cohen, the Mets aren’t even better than last years team…let alone the Braves. Position by position the Braves grade out better,hands down…other than shortstop and left field. AA will strengthen the team even more before the start of the season. He’s not finished.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Unload Ozuna?
No one is touching him unless you tie Riley, Acuna, Fried, Harris or Strider to deal which won’t happen.
User 401527550
The Mets would take him for McCann and cano..
FredMcGriff for the HOF
I forgot about Rosario since he missed so much of last year. Maybe he can find his magic again.
Benjamin101677
Rosario had an eye injury Atlanta is on the hill for him for 8 million. I think they give him a shot in left field see what he can do. If he does good well Atlanta is in a good spot. If he doesn’t do good then we always have the trade deadline and by that time Rosario contract would be a lot less.
Atlanta is not just going go spend and let Rosario at 8 million and Ozuna at 16 million be or release them. They are both going get their chances to see if they can produce.
Macbeth
He’s not worth it.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Please no stone hand grissom at ss!
bravesnation nc
The Tigers were desperate that’s why Baez got that deal. Same with Boston they gave Story that money know he was a “Coors Field” guy and that his shoulder may not hold up to play short. Bogarts is not Turner yet he got close to Turner money. I said it before, this Market is insane. I can’t imagine what the Pirates,Royals,Reds,Marlins and other smaller market teams are thinking.
Samuel
bravesnation nc;
The smart small market teams knew what was coming years ago and made adjustments.
Teams own a players rights for 6 years. Stats show that most players peak around age 28.
The smart small market teams have a nice balance of young players in their first 6 years, some affordable veterans that are past their 6 years, and maybe one or two highly paid players – hopefully one that came up with the organization and signed extensions because they love playing both in the city and for the organization (and its culture).
Do what he Braves did – quietly bring up a Rivers one year. an Acuna another. a Harris and Strider yet another, etc. Look a it this way….
If the Yankees or Red Sox had a Harris or Strider in the minors we would have heard about them for years. If they came up and played like Harris and Strider did in 2022 the national baseball media would be tipping over themselves talking about how great they are and stating that the HOF was a strong possibility.
There are a lot of extremely good young baseball players out there. What the Guardians and Orioles have on their rosters and in the high minors is out of the ordinary. And both teams are already so much fun to watch play….hungry, always hustling, take nothing for granted, don’t compound their mistakes, and angling to do something to help their team win when they’re on the field.
Selah Rick 2
You just described everything Seattle currently has. And in a recent post you said they were in trouble. Young developed talent signed to team friendly deals. Mix of veterans after the 6th year. Good GM and coach who understands his players strengths and weaknesses. Now I understand why nobody listens to your vomit and blocks you.
NashvilleJeff
Somebody ask Samuel who the mysterious “Rivers” is that he’s claiming the Braves “quietly” brought up. I’d ask him, but I’m on his famous “Over 100 Muted List.” Afraid he’s having issues w/his memory. Maybe he gets lost in the pomposity of his rambling proclamations. Maybe he’s been water boarded and the rush of water made him think of …..a river.
Hotstovemelts
You will be blocked immediately by the mute monster Samuel hahaha!
Jean Matrac
I’m proud to be on Samuel’s mute list.
Hotstovemelts
I also wear that mute with honor haha
bhambrave
AA likes to wait to talk to his players sometimes, I think to test them. He did it with Ozuna, he probably did it with Freddie, and he’s doing it with Dansby. It puts him in a position of power. He’s willing to let them walk if they don’t come down to his price. I think he was relieved when Freddie didn’t sign. He probably wanted Olson all along.
SupremeZeus
It’s not personal, it’s just business Dansby.
DCartrow
Grissom very well could be the next Jeremy Pena and that ain’t bad!!
Toodles, Swansy!!
R.D.
Does Rodon or Correa theoretically make the Braves the better team?
Benjamin101677
Correa doesn’t fit the Braves with the cheating past. His little attitude too doesn’t fit especially with Acuna. Braves are going be careful who they bring in.
For the most part the Braves sign and get the players who put their heads down and shut their mouth and play. Correa doesn’t fit that
Joeyg2033
So if Correa was asking Swanson type money you think for one second that the Braves wouldn’t sign him? Correa is an elite player. Was he on the cheating Astros? Yes. But he is a great competitor. Not sure what attitude you’re referring to.
KC42
AA is a heck of a GM when it comes trades and pre-arb extensions but he is awful as a free agent negotiator. First Freeman, now Swanson, it seems he makes these offers to appease the fans but he doesn’t truly have any intention of signing them. Now, were going to go into the year without a true proven SS on the roster and hope that one of Grissom or Shewmake can prove themselves to the level that Dansby played. Meanwhile the Mets and Phillies are opening up their pockets and giving FA’s blank checks. Wouldn’t surprise me if we finish 3rd in the NL east next year even with all the talent on the roster. Sometimes you have to give in during negations to maintain the status quo, you don’t blow up key positions on a team that’s won the last 5 NL east titles
Joeyg2033
Uhh…the Braves still have a better team and pitching staff than the Phillies or Mets…no matter how many $300m FA they sign. The team that the Braves gave assembled will be together for the next 6-8 years. Just about the time those Turner and Nimmo conyracts are total albatrosses around their teams necks.
dpsmith22
Freeman’s blindsided story is a joke. He was told no extra year. The fact that the Braves didn’t wait for him to decide is their right and a smart move at that. He waited for them to cave, they called his bluff. So tired of the woe is me, Freddie Freeman.
Benjamin101677
Freeman is just a crybaby had his agent been told they were going trade for Olson his agent would leaked it out and had some other team get involved.
I think with the way it went down with the start of spring training the Braves were told by Oakland that they were going trade olson give best offer. So Atlanta made trade than immediately signed him long term
olereb
I am going to hate it if Dansby leaves, he’s going to play an excellent ss, he’s going to bat around 260 and hit 20 plus homers. Yes he’s going to strike out too much but he’s a winner and I can live with the strike outs. I know I’m not the one to be making the decision but if it was me I would offer 6 years and 120 million.
Joeyg2033
He ain’t taking 6/$120m… Bogaerts set the market for shortstops. $120m is less than half of what Bogaerts made. Not saying that Swanson is the same player, but his market might be more along the lines of 7/$165… Way,way more than what the Braves are comfortable with.
Benjamin101677
The Braves are very tight lip how do we actually know what he has been offered or not? Seeing that several teams need a short stop he may be asking for more years. I could see a team like the dodgers trying get under the luxury tax adding a year or two to lower the yearly value to sign Swanson.
AA got us a title in 2021 when most would have sold the farm. He is experienced I believe that he knows what he is doing.
User 401527550
Do you not think Swansons agent lets teams know what the going rate is to get the bids up? Leaks are done by agents and not teams during negotiations.
dennis63480
It took until Swanson’s free agent year to finally break out. How do we know it’s just a fluke? Just Acuna and his team friendly contract….where’s his incentive to play better? He’s still gonna make the same next year no matter what.
Rishi
Let him walk if he doesn’t take a decent discount. War shot up x3 in contract year. Don’t pay for that. At best he’s a 3 win player, not nearly a 6 win one. He’s important to the team on many levels and losing two ” team leaders” the last 2 years is at least somewhat significant. But he’s not the guy to spend all this money on for a team that may only be able to take on one expensive contract the next couple of years. That said if they do sign him he is a hard worker and really cares about winning as much as anyone you will ever see. It will likely not be a bad contract. At least not too bad.
FullMontilla
The Giants seem to be slowly disappearing from every conversation – this is shaping up to be a potential disastrous off-season for Zaidi
Makes me wonder how reluctant these top FA’s may be to join the Giants team – that has to be part of the equation
JerseyShoreScore
Giants have had the big talk, little action off season.
SoCalBrave
Freddie leaving was on his agent. But if Swanson leaves, that’s on the Braves and AA
bravesnation nc
Again, these contracts are insane. Guys are getting between 22-25M per over 8-10 yrs? Teams are trying to spread out CBT by adding yrs. You mean to tell me that a 37 yr old outfielder is going to be worth 23M that no longer can play CF? Look at AARON Hicks! That contract is a joke and they overpaid and are stuck. I like many Braves fans that have actually been to Truist and watched Swanson do his thing want him in a Braves Jersey, but at 25M plus AAV that is just insane. Should he crack 20? Sure, but it’s ridiculous that Baez and Story got those contracts those teams paid for past performance not present or projected production. I.E. Albert Pujols contract.
Eatdust666
Yeah, the Aaron Hicks contract is an absolute disaster, typical Cashman failure, the trade wasn’t terrible, though.
luvochka
Omg the Giants have got to pick up one of these guys. What you’re bidding against the Cubs? Farhan if you can’t outbid the Cubs your done. Next thing you’ll be trading Logan Webb before he becomes a free agent for prospects, isn’t that the way the basement teams do it?
DCartrow
Freeman and Swanson need to be together in L.A. Couple of pretty boys well suited for making toothpaste and hair product commercials in tinsel town!!
Adios, baby!!
register14
braves do not want to pay anyone as much as dansby deserves to be paid..braves will not go above about 21-22 million for any player until that acuna contract runs its course..dansby will likely end up with freddie and the dodgers or i can see him as a cardinal..this braves team will miss dansby…he is going to win several more championships wherever he goes..thank you dansby for helping us get 2021..go braves!
User 401527550
If they don’t anti up for Fried then they get drastically worse in two years.
SoCalBrave
If Swanson leaves, it’ll be for the Cubs. Not the Cards or Dodgers.
FullMontilla
The reality of the pending failure of Zaidi and crew to land a top bill FA is beginning to set in – beginning the 5 stages of grief, skipping denial and straight to anger!
FullMontilla
Sure, the final final on Correa isn’t in yet, but I’m not sure signing just him makes the off-season successful, if that’s what happens. Feeling a bit dismayed here…
Kevin28786
Dansby has a career OPS+ of 95. Bogarts is 117, Turner is 122, and Correa is 129 He’s wildly inconsistent with the bat and far behind all 3 of those guys offensively. I like everything else about him, though.
Cap & Crunch
Id like to see Minny jump on Swanson to create a bit of a ripple in the market for Correa
I still don’t believe Carlos’s market is as big as he would like it to be or widely reported –
Always gotta have an egg cracked to keep a healthy sustainable market, would love for that to be Correa………. Again
Jaysfan1981
So ATL fans, How do you feel about Bo Bichette??
Orelvis Martinez looks ready to take over short for the Jays.
Afraid you can’t resign Fried? We’ll take him.
Want a LF too, Lourdes Gurriel JR to the rescue
SoCalBrave
we feel like Bichette and Guriel aren’t worth picking up the phone if you’re asking for Fried.
Jaysfan1981
Im just spit balling. Jays need a young Ace, ATL needs a SS who’s not making 20 million and a LF who’s not making 15.
Didn’t AA draft Bo?, I think he’d pick up the phone.
Instead of being Johnny Coolguy. What’s your actual offer for Bo. If you were AA and not Johnny Coolguy with aviator glasses
NashvilleJeff
If the Braves deal Fried, they’re not going to take 4th of’er salary dumps like Gurriel as part of the return for their ace. Probably want a SS that actually plays defense (unlike Bo), but Tiedemann and Bichette might get AA to listen…….
Jaysfan1981
Tieddeman is off limits from what I hear. It would take an extension already agreed to before he’s dealt for Fried, that’s just how Shapiro and Atkins roll.
Gurriel is far from a 4th Of. He’s always hit. He’s still young (ish) and even though it shocks me too, he actually won a gold glove and had improved 200% in LF AND has a frigging cannon.
No He’s not Judge or Harris or Acuna for that matter
But is he going to shore up ATLs LF. Big YES.
Now, Acuna seems unhappy. I don’t think BO is signing up north. If youre interested in Tieddeman and Bo. I think Acuna has to be on the table.
I’d even be willing to include Kirk in that one.
NashvilleJeff
Acuna’s probably the most untouchable in the league. The Braves wouldn’t trade him for Bichette, Tiedemann, Manoah and low level unnamed prospects……. Not trying to be “Johnny Coolguy” lol, but Acuna’s contract has been rated by Fangraphs as the most valuable in MLB—-last year anyway, but it’s still one of the top 3 or so. Honestly don’t think AA would deal Fried w/Bichette as the headliner unless a top prospect arm like Tiedemann was included in the bring back. The Yankees might match up better w/the Braves in a Fried trade. AA would demand Volpe plus. Still—your point that AA knows Bo is reasonable. Can see the Braves seeking him, but no way Acuna’s even talked about, imo. The Braves have a ton of ML ready AAA arms that might interest the Jays even if the Braves don’t want to consider dealing Fried this season. They might next winter though………
Jaysfan1981
Lol. I know sometimes replies on this site look weird (but I think it’s showing in order now) but just to clarify. No you’re not Johnny cool guy lol. I appreciate your response and the way you’re articulating your point.
Im in full agreement on the Acuna contract, but remember these are people, and rumblings are if you spend anything to resign anyone, you’ll have to renegotiate his contract or he’ll demand a trade (not my speculation, I’ve read that in more than one place and here was probably one of them)
If he’s teetering on demanding a trade, better to get like 85% of value now than 60% later.
I see the same problem with Fried, if he goes out and has a Ace stuff again next year, the way things look. He’ll want to top Verlander and DeGrom in AAV AND get ridiculous length like Strasburg or Cole… stupid part is, he might just get it from the Yankees or Padres or Redox or Dodgers. Hell the Mets could spend 450 million on him over 10 and not bat an eyelash. So ATL has no shot unless he’s gonna lock up 250 over 9 or something. Dansby is a hometown kid and he’s probably not taking a discount even though he already won with them.
Somethings off in ATL, doing it the Rays way is probably in your best interest currently. You gotta trade everyone and get younger every 3 or 4 years before the Value in the players is lost. Retool on the fly and draft well while getting blue chipper prospects for your elite cast offs
Not trying to be rude, just kinda how the Braves are portrayed given recent past and ownership questions
Let that be the Jays problem.
NashvilleJeff
In response to “something’s off in Atlanta” I’ll counter with this: They’ve locked up Olson, Riley, Strider, and Harris to the tune of approximately $500M this summer. Include Acuna for another #124M through 2028 and Albies through 2026 and you have 5 of 8 position players under control for 8-10 years. Until Strider’s extension—which is really just a buyout of his arb years and 1 FA year— AA hasn’t extended any pitcher since taking over the Braves. FF wanted to go home to LA. He turned down more upfront money from Atl than LA gave him. Looks like AA’s got a number on Dansby he’s not going to exceed and Swanson may well leave. The Braves core—minus SS–won’t have to be traded every 3 – 4 years because of the long term control Atlanta holds on them. They draft 80% pitching for a reason. They know that growing their own pitchers is the only way to fly, lol. These ridiculously high FA pitching deals won’t hamstring the Braves. They’ll just keep developing their well scouted draftees. Can’t pay every home grown player when their 6 years of control is done. Some will leave as FF did.. Maybe Fried will too (if they don’t deal him for value in the next 2 years). Atlanta will still be solid.
Jaysfan1981
If I was Swanson I don’t know why he wouldn’t join the party.
I understand you’ve got a few people locked into very team friendly deals, but like Any business, people who are “underpaid” will soon revolt
Now again just to clarify im not on the players side
Acuna has already probably garunteed 10x more in his lifetime than I ever will, but they look to their peers and equals, not me ad a measuring stick
Harris sees Judge getting 5x more every year than him… in 3 years he’ll feel he’s worth 5x than Judge. Acuna as I said, when he watches Soto probably get 500 million will think. “************* *********** ********** these people scammed me ******** ******* ******
It might not be all roses and rainbows 2 or 3 years from now.
But at least you’ll be able to feild an amazing blue chip roster during your retool and do it all over again in 3-4 years lol
Joeyg2033
Keep dreamin’… Your delusional if you think that the featured player coming back in an Acuña trade is Bo. He is a horrible fielder. Furthermore, what makes you think that Acuña is unhappy? He’s frustrated with his lack of performance due to his injury…not his situation in Atlanta. Get your facts straight.
bryan c
Until we see any differently it’s really hard to argue any choice the Braves make. They routinely put out a winning team and have pretty much owned the NL East for thirty years now with a few exception years here and there. Their constant ability to grow the farm and produce guys like Grissom allows them to lose a Swanson and barely feel it. They are the model even more so than LAD. As a Met fan that hurt to admit but it’s honest and accurate. It’s easy to be a Braves fan
Poster formerly known as . . .
He gone.
dodgersvictoryagain
Come to LA
JerseyShoreScore
Offensively, very similar to Chris Taylor. Not sure the Dodgers need another high strikeout bat in the lineup.
Rsox
Swanson is more than likely done in Atlanta. I can see him going to the Cubs (or the Red Sox if Bloom is desperate to appease the fan base). The Braves will sign a veteran to push Grissom, Jose Iglesias or Elvis Andrus immediately come to mind (i can see one of them in Boston if Bloom is not desperate to appease the fan base but still needs a SS) as options. Of course they could always bring Andrelton Simmons back…
deGromTexasRanger
If the braves wanted dansby he would have been signed just like freeman… the entire team is locked up
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Come on Jed spend that money Joe is giving you. Get Dansby Samsonite or Charles or Charlie (Boston accent) Correa
Smacky
He’s getting married today so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say his free-agency isn’t going to get resolved in the near term.
#Barves
Another thing, have you pondered the idea that maybe other teams look at the fact AA values him at a certain # and as such and they’re like, “Lol, AA is a clown! Dude has no idea how to value his players.”? It’s not like Freddie Freeman ended up with a significantly worse deal than what Atlanta offered him. And no, the 6 years for $162m he signed is not better than the 5 $135m offer ATL put on the table. Freddie will be collecting all of $105m for his 6 years with the Dodgers. He won’t collect the full value of the contract until the 2040 season. Make of all of this what you will. I’m just noting things that happened.
Pretty sure the Barves aren’t going to offer him anything that has an AAV of $22m. That’s the most any of the players AA has extended in any given season.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Honestly, I thought Swanson and Albies were an excellent double okay combo and the Braves wanted to keep that together
If the market blows up for Swanson, the Orioles shod move on in
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Big issue with paying Swanson top dollar is, unlike the other FA shortstops, Swanson has only had one exceptional year at the plate while the others have enjoyed multiple seasons similar to Swanson’s 2022, and in some cases even better.
Sad situation for the Braves. No team wants to lose a productive player who is a team leader as well as being a fan favorite.
Hope Swanson and his new bride like San Francisco or Chicago.
j_butte
I said before the season 5/75 and I wouldn’t go higher. He’s a streaky hitter that strikes out a ton. I look at it like this, eventually you can’t keep paying all these guys top dollar. I’d rather lose Swanson now than Fried after 24. I think Vaughn Grissom will be fine, remember there was the same talk about Dansby moving to second when he was in the minors.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I am hoping the New Bride is the Orioles
However, I don’t see the Orioles giving him a five year deal, maybe a one year deal and an option
If the Giants or Cubs sign him for five years, so be it, but I like Swanson the best out of all of the Original Four, regardless of better numbers
Bobby Mongan
I agree with that Lefty and I would add that if the Orioles would make a 5 year or more commitment to a shortstop, it would be for Correa. But it isn’t a glaring need for Baltimore it would be more of a luxury pickup.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Swanson is a more athletic version of JJ Hardy and would be a good fit on the Orioles
Fred McGriff HR
This is the very reason I have the utmost respect for AA. Explain why he should pay more for Dansby. I love Dansby, the guy gives 100% day in-day out, however, it’s his choice if he wants to take more money. In the end if he wants to be a Brave, he can sign a contract, it’s not as if an extra few million is going to make a drastic difference to his life or that of his potential future children.
Freeman also could have signed the contract, the Braves did not ‘let him walk’ like some people like to assert. If he wanted to be a Brave he should have known and made it his business to know what was going on, maybe he trusted his agent just a bit too much.
If Swanson goes, it won’t be AA’s fault, and to be frank, if Dansby values money more highly than playing for the Braves then that’s on Dansby and no one else. AA got it right, he valued Dansby at 16-17M a year. The Phillies and Padres contracts for Turner and Bogaerts respectively are way over the top.. The most Chipper Jones made in any one year from 29-40 was 16 million, it was not that long ago…
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I like Swanson fried chicken.
Braves Butt-Head
Swanson is good but he isn’t $30 mil aav good. But what he gives you is that local boy charm and he is fantastic from an interview and PR standpoint in selling the team to fans, it’s why he’s so popular IMO because he is a genuine Braves fan like the rest of us and many of us are living vicariously through him. But if he wants the most money it’s not going to be in Atlanta and AA shouldn’t try to match especially since he has a competent replacement in Vaughn Grissom who could become next years Jeremy Pena.
DCartrow
Dansby Swanson is more like Gloria Swanson at this point. Go on,get the the camera in for his close up shot and then tell him to close up shop in Atanta and fade out into that Sunset Boulevard, baby!!
NashvilleJeff
Vaughn Grissom is nothing like Jeremy Pena. I’m a Braves fan too—-but I threw my rose colored glasses away decades ago. Grissom’s going to be the worst SS glove the Braves have had there since Chicken Bone Aybar. They’ll end up replacing him w/Arcia at SS just like they had to after they couldn’t watch Grissom keep killing them at 2B last season.
Bledcam
Rangers fan here, can he play left field?
bravesnation nc
I l agree with most of your view Crime Dogg. (2023 HOF inductee BTW). These contracts are ridiculous! Teams went all these years to circumvent the CBT. I’m not for players getting their money because MLB has profited. However, paying a guy 25MM plus for 9 yrs plus no trade clause is insane and more than not is a disaster. I love Swanson too but not at 25-27 Mil over 6-10 yrs that’s crazy!!! The young players that signed extensions chose upfront money knowing that closer to the back end they could be outplaying the contract. Players done it because the WANT to play in ATL. From first hand experience going to Truist and other ballparks in our country I’m serious when I say it’s different at Truist! Braves Country is Real, I’ve met fans from all over the country and world at Truist. If he wants to stay he and Agents will work with AA to find a place both sides are comfortable with. Chipper said it straightforward “ If you want to be a Atlanta Brave, you will be an Atlanta Brave.
jimk
Well said. The more a player is a Braves Country kind of guy, the longer he’ll want to stay on this team. Strict character scrutiny — if anyone can still be predictive about young guys — must be reaffirmed for the Braves Way to keep winning.
Fiscal discipline can keep the Braves from succumbing to salary inflation and the attendant penalties. Even without paying Dansby a $20m+ AAV, this team should be controlling costs (e.g. unloading Ozuna and possibly Morton) if it hopes to keep Max Fried and Kyle Wright in the fold.
NashvilleJeff
The Braves have Morton on a $20M 1 year deal. They didn’t sign him to a 1 year deal so they could trade him. They signed him to provide strong, veteran stability for the back of the rotation. Also have him on a team option for 2024. How are they going to “unload Ozuna.” He’s untradeable. They owe him $36 M for the next 2 years. Which prospect (s) would you tie around Ozuna’s neck to get another team to take even a small portion of that $36M? There’s no “controlling costs” w/the sunk cost of Ozuna’s—or Rosario’s—-deal. Sunk cost for both of them and the Braves are stuck w/them. Btw—Dansby Swanson is definitely a “Braves Country kind of guy” and he’s entrenched in the “Braves Way.” Couldn’t ask for a better hometown player. Strong character to the core. He’s still probably leaving for more money than the Braves will pay him.
joefleury
Beware of the platform season. Swanson is a great fielder with competent hitting, but he his value worth more than $20 million per season? The horror stories of bad contracts persist and I think this off-season we will see further horror stories.
I think he will perform at a $15 million per season at best over a long term contract.
He will likely get north of $20 million but buyer beware.
bravesnation nc
I meant, I’m all for players getting their money. It has to be reasonable though.
dasit
he’ll be a cub. his wife likes chicago and i heard she’s a real ball-buster
j2dap22
The thing I like most about AA he is not going to overpay due to emotions. No reason to overpay a streaky SS who will regress a lot quicker than he progressed.
HistoryBelongstotheVictorsInArms
Get the vibe AA doesn’t wanna do his agents any favors by giving him an offer they can leverage against other teams to drive up the price.
Rishi
I imagine some backlash if they sign him for 125m or more but let Freeman walk. I still truly feel Freeman will be worth every penny of that deal with LAD. He takes great care of himself and is an obvious Yoga junkie if you watch him at first stretching every play. Even if he provides 4 years of top 25 MVP type performances he was well worth it. For the record I think it’s gonna be more like 3 years of top 10-12 finishes.
ATLBraves21
Dansby is going to be 29 years old next year. I would think Braves are not wanting to give him more than 6 years guaranteed. Now like they have with a few other players maybe an extra year that is a team option with a buyout if they decline. Swanson maybe seeing the years these other guys at SS are getting which is crazy I don’t think any of them will be playing SS at 36 or older so their bat better still be good or those teams are going to be eating a lot of bad contract. I think someone will give Swanson that 25-27 million per year deal it won’t be the Braves I would think they won’t go much more than 23 million per year at 6 years and maybe a team option on a 7th for 20 with a 10 million buyout.
AL34
The only way Bloom signs Swanson is if he can get him on a BARGAIN Contract. I would be stunned if Bloom goes after him. Why would he want to come to this train wreck of a Red Sox team.