This offseason features a group of shortstops often referred to as the “Big Four,” which consists of Carlos Correa, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts an Dansby Swanson. While they have been connected in rumors to most of the high-spending clubs around the league, Jon Heyman of The New York Post reports that the Orioles have checked in on them. Heyman adds that it’s more likely they invest in starting pitching since their need at shortstop isn’t terribly strong and there are other teams involved, but the interest is noteworthy nonetheless.
The O’s have been deeply committed to a rebuild in recent years and have been among the least active teams in free agency. The last time they gave a free agent a contract longer than one year was to Alex Cobb back in March of 2018. The O’s have endured five straight losing seasons from 2017 to 2021, with the club finishing last in the American League East in all four full, 162-game seasons in that stretch. However, the club turned a corner in 2022, with their young core starting to emerge and helping the club go 83-79. That still only amounted to a fourth-place finish in the division, but they flirted with the postseason race for much of the second half and seem poised to see better results going forward.
On the heels of that step forward, general manager Mike Elias has spoken about going into a more competitive phase of the club’s rebuilding plan, though he has also attempted to temper expectations at the same time. “We’re not going to go from zero miles an hour to 60 miles an hour in one offseason,” Elias said, which would seem to be a coded way of saying that they will be more active than in years past but aren’t planning to suddenly jump to the top of the market.
Still, there are reasons for them to at least hover around the market and keep an eye on it. Just one year ago, Correa didn’t find the long-term deal he was looking for and ended up settling for a three-year deal with high salaries and opt outs after each season. If one of the “Big Four” found themselves in a similar situation this year, the O’s would be a good to try to take advantage of it.
Since the O’s have eschewed spending for so long, their payroll outlook is essentially clear. Their commitments for 2023 are just $41MM, according to Roster Resource, less than what Max Scherzer will make by himself. Despite their recent devotion to skinflintism, they ran payrolls around $150MM from 2016 to 2018 and can surely start inching their way back up there in the coming years. They could easily fit a sizeable contract on their ledger if they really wanted to. Giving out a second year on a contract would be even easier as their commitments for 2024 are exactly zero.
Leaving the financials aside, adding a shortstop also makes sense for pure baseball reasons. Jorge Mateo was the club’s everyday option this year, getting into 150 games on the season. Advanced defensive metrics were all quite fond of his work in the field and he stole 35 bases, but his work at the plate was subpar. He struck out in 27.6% of his plate appearances while walking in just 5.1% of them, finishing with a batting line of .221/.267/.379 and a wRC+ of 82. Mateo is still just 27, turning 28 in June, so it’s possible that he is still developing, but his numbers at Triple-A are fairly similar. His speed and defense still allow him to be a useful player, with FanGraphs calculating his WAR at 2.8 in 2022, but without a development at the plate it’s possible that is his ceiling.
In the long run, things get a bit more crowded since the club has a number of highly-touted middle infield prospects. Gunnar Henderson made his MLB debut in 2022 and played well in his first 34 games. He played mostly third base but could slide back to shortstop if that became the club’s ideal alignment. One of the club’s top prospects, Coby Mayo, is primarily a third baseman and it could make sense to bump Henderson back into the middle infield. Another top prospect, Joey Ortiz, seems poised to jump to the big leagues in 2023. He’s played some second and third base but is primarily a shortstop. Jordan Westburg’s situation is fairly similar. There’s also Jackson Holliday, just selected with the first overall pick in June. He’s still just 18 years old, turning 19 in two days, but he is hoped to be pushing into the middle infield picture down the line.
Given all those internal options, giving out a contract of $20-30MM over 7-9 years doesn’t seem like the most obvious use of the club’s resources, even if they do have money to spend. If they did consider it, it’s been often pointed out that Elias was with the Astros at the time Correa was drafted and was reportedly personally involved in the club’s decision to select him. He’s surely still quite fond of Correa, but the shortstop isn’t likely to settle for another subpar deal after doing it a year ago. He changed agencies during the lockout, a sign that he wasn’t happy with the way things were going. Though he did settle for a short-term deal last year, it’s long seemed obvious that the plan would be to return to the open market this year and find the kind of contract that will take him through the majority of his remaining career. MLBTR predicted him to land a deal worth $288MM over nine years, or $32MM per season.
The other three shortstops might require less expenditure than Correa, but not much less. MLBTR predicted Turner to get $268MM over eight years, Bogaerts to get $189 over seven years and Swanson $154MM over seven. Even at the lower end, Swanson is projected for $22MM per season. There doesn’t seem to be any shortage of suitors for their services this winter either, as the Phillies, Dodgers, Padres, Braves, Twins, Red Sox, Giants, Cubs and Mariners are some of the clubs to have reported interest in that group. As mentioned, it’s probably more likely that the Orioles devote their resources to starting pitching, with their interest in that market already reported.
JockStrap
I’ll put $1 to everyone here that the o’s spend more money this offseason than the r. sox!!!
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I think you may be right so no thanks
CaptainJudge99
Trea Turner is definitely the best shortstop on this list.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@all rise
You are most definitely right imo.
User 401527550
I hope you get takers and let us know how much money you win.
JockStrap
Ill give those a $1 if this true…lol
User 3595123227
I’ll give you $1 if the Orioles do ANYTHING of note this off-season. I know I’m in the minority with my thinking on them but I don’t see them doing much at all.
JockStrap
Im down!
Edp007
Elias has always had a hard on for Correa
JockStrap
Brokeback Baltimore
rememberthecoop
haha
Edp007
Guess you would know with that moniker lol
CarverAndrews
Hardcore Phils fan, but the Orioles have been my AL team since the latter 60’s. It has been hard to see the once glorious franchise dragged down for so long by the Angelos family.. They are starting to show some signs however of rebuilding some baseball intelligence. Hope that they stay the course and don’t try to put themselves under water again until the core depth is there.
Mr_KLC
I picked Correa with the Orioles in the contest so this is encouraging news.
Gj 2
The Orioles don’t pay anyone.
King Floch
No thanks.
C Yards Jeff
Like “No thanks”. And ok to add “no way”.
King Floch
Signing one of the big 4 shortstops would be like buying $1,000 rims for your car when you have 2 flat tires that need to be replaced. The rotation needs those resources much more than the infield, which is in pretty good shape with Gunnar, Urias, Mateo, Vavra, Westburg, Ortiz, and Norby as viable options there next year.
User 401527550
Who said it would be their only move? No reason the Orioles can’t have a 150 to 200 million payroll.
King Floch
They aren’t tripling or quadrupling the payroll in one offseason, probably not even doubling it, and starting pitching is an obvious area of need, unlike shortstop. If major expenditures are going to occur, it should be on 1 or 2 solid arms for the rotation and a big bat for the 1B/DH/COF mix.
User 401527550
They will double or triple it when they feel they are ready and the right players. Having a star shortstop right now is ideal for a team loaded with young talent. Even with young players there is a window. Their window has opened up for probably five good years.
King Floch
Gunnar Henderson could be a “star shortstop” as soon as next year.
User 401527550
Or a star third baseman.
rememberthecoop
While I agree that they won’t double oe triple their payroll in one off-season- Elias basically said as might in fact – I do feel there is value in having veterans to lead the young guys.
rememberthecoop
Sorry for the mistakes. I really have to stop posting replies with my cell phone. Sometimes it goes to the far right-hand side, and cannot see everything I’m typing, and it doesn’t give any chance to edit it.
King Floch
Sure, but adding a veteran at a position of actual need makes a lot more sense than adding a veteran at a position of strength.
King Floch
The Orioles already have a GG 3B with an above average bat in Ramon Urias.
C Yards Jeff
@Mets6986??; love your moniker but why the two question marks at the end?
Through local media, the FO in Baltimore is looking to add a LH hitter (hope it’s SW hitter Bell) and a couple of 3/4s to the rotation (probably a Walker RSP type and from the left side a Smiley or Manea).
If we get Bell, maybe Mountcastle and a prospect goes to the Fins for Lopez or straight up for one of those dudes in Milwaukee. If so, that’s one less FA SP needed.
The national media seems to be pushing the high end SS angle, specifically Correa.
User 401527550
I had 22 in there but that obviously didn’t happen. I’ll probably change it to 23 when the season starts and then again after the season ends. As Orioles fans I’m sure you are just glad to be in the conversation again for top players. It’s better to have the argument for needs rather then last minute fill ins to complete the roster.
C Yards Jeff
@Mets6986??; Digging your moniker even more now. I’m an unapologetic Buck fan. Grateful for that 5 yr run he gave us 2012-2016. If anyone can get ya there in 23, IMHO, it’s him.
“Needs” over “last minute fill ins”. Point taken. Cheers!
baumann
I’m sorry, but are you suggesting Mountcastle straight up would be enough to get Burnes or Woodruff from Milwaukee?
stpbaseball 76
they have some very good young rotation options that I predict will take a step forward this year. I think the need is overstated. I’d love to see them add a starter at the top, degrom or rodon would make them surefire playoff contenders if unlikely. I think bassit would be a perfect alternative if they don’t spend at those levels and maybe an innings eater but don’t block a path to the young guys getting a chance to progress. I’m not a bal fan but as a baseball fan I’m excited for where they’re at and if they start supplementing that young core they should do it at the top of the roster construction rather than the middle or the edges
C Yards Jeff
@baumann: yes, straight up. That said, if it requires a prospect to make it happen, do it. “Amateur GM Hour” is my other moniker. Cheers!
C Yards Jeff
@stpbaseball 76; agree that Hall and Rodriguez get acclimated in 23 and Seth Johnson in 24. If I’m a Verlander, DeGrom or even a Rodon, do I go to that path or to a legitimate contender in 23 opportunity?
And definitely see good times in Birdland as well! They have a shot at long term success. Like that owner John Angelos does not meddle like his old man Peter did and way too often. Whether a top of roster or middle/edges approach, since late 2018, John is out of the way and letting his baseball people make those decisions. Grateful Orioles fan!
corey
Free agent shortstops: Orioles can’t afford us.
King Floch
They absolutely could, there just isn’t a good reason to devote that much payroll to a SS when it is a position of organizational strength.
User 401527550
Because they are very unlikely to have a Trea Turner or Carlos Correa coming through the ranks.
King Floch
Gunnar Henderson and Jackson Holliday are both prospects of that caliber.
User 401527550
Projected. Holiday won’t be a shortstop and is years away.Henderson will play third .We still don’t really know why they are until they play but that’s the point of why the Orioles bring in a veteran and show them the ropes and get the Orioles competing year in and year out.
King Floch
They didn’t draft a 5 tool SS first overall just to spend a fortune on a SS and block him less than a year later, especially when they have another potential star caliber guy who has already excelled in his first taste of MLB action that can comfortably hold down SS for a couple of years until he is ready. That would be unbelievably silly.
User 401527550
Being silly is counting on a 18 year old to be in the majors any time soon. Do you think every draft pick works out? Hopefully he does and the Orioles have a good problem of having to much talent.
King Floch
Spending $30 million dollars a year that would be much better spent on positions of actual need than a position that is already well covered seems pretty silly to me, but YMMV.
User 401527550
We are talking about a team with a 60 million dollar payroll. 30 mil isn’t limiting them from anything. They had a high payroll before tearing it all down.
King Floch
I am aware that we used to run fairly high payrolls, and I do expect that will ultimately be the case again as the team picks up steam over the next few years, but it won’t all come in 1 or 2 offseasons, and starting pitching is the obvious area for investment this offseason with both Gunnar and Mateo on hand as SS options for next year. Mateo just won the Fielding Bible’s award for AL SS and has elite speed and range, which will be even more valuable next year with the shift being nerfed, and Gunnar is the #1 or #2 prospect in all of baseball who just put up a .259/.348/.440 batting line in 132 PAs as the youngest player in MLB.
User 401527550
You have the best pitching prospect in baseball set to join your rotation. Your bullpen was excellent. I’m sure they will add an arm or two but they have talented pitching too.
ADpizza
This idea of not blocking Holiday or waiting for Holiday is absolutely absurd. The kid is 4-5 years away–if he even pans out.
The Orioles have an enviable group of postion players right now in Rutschman, Henderson, Mullins, Santander etc. They should be aggressively looking to add to that group via impact free agents that can help them reach the playoffs next season.
Not be worried about some kid in A ball.
King Floch
Rodriguez has never thrown a pitch at the MLB level and will be on a strict innings limit next year. Expecting him to carry the rotation in 2023 is unrealistic.
The most established guy in the rotation is currently Dean Kremer, who was okay-ish in 2020, absolutely awful in 2021, and solid in 2022, albeit with questionable underlying metrics. After him, it’s nothing but question marks.
King Floch
If he is 4-5 years away, something has gone catastrophically wrong. He was the first overall pick and he absolutely crushed the low minors last year with an incredibly advanced plate approach for his age.
User 401527550
Crushed the low minors? He had 64 abs mostly in development league and hit one home run and had a .297 average. He walked some but pitchers aren’t exactly accurate in the Florida coast league.
SaintChris
You know, Floch, Holliday may well pan out and be a productive big league player but projecting him to be in the majors in the next year or two as a superstar that should affect roster construction this off-season is moronic.
Jackson Holliday is an 18 year old that had 64 AB’s last year between rookie league and A ball. It’s a little too early to annoint him as the next AROD.
thickiedon
Contrary to Elias’ words, signing a top tier SS would be merging into the fast lane from the shoulder.
Rather they sign Bassitt and Bell
Ma4170
I could see Correa there
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I see Judge AND Correa AND deGrom AND Verlander in OAK actually…
rememberthecoop
You need new glasses haha
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It would be pretty awesome though haha.
Jaysfan1981
Yup I see them in OAK too, whenever their teams travel to Oak for a series
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Hahahahahaha
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Judge & Correa could be the new Bash Bros….and deGrom & JV…well we can think of a new nickname for them by the All Star break.
PLINKO
What they need to do is focus on resigning Roughned Odor, he is such a valuable asset to a losing club to ensure they continue losing
OhthePossibilities
He’s played one year for them and they had a winning record.
PLINKO
Odor stinks
OhthePossibilities
That doesn’t make your previous statement any less factually incorrect.
PLINKO
It doesn’t invalidate anything. Orioles suck, Odor sucks…match made in heaven
King Floch
I hear he turns a wicked double play.
gr81t2
They don’t need middle infield. They need an outfielder or first baseman with high average and on base numbers. And 2 starting pitchers
That’s it
King Floch
I would add a backup C that hits lefties well, but that’s about it.
Ma4170
They have a few needs, and MI is up there (if you want to contend). Mateo won’t cut it, steals bases and that’s it. Can’t get on base, minimal power. Odor is a journeyman who hits some HR. They could definitely use an elite SS. If you like Mateo, slide him to 2b and let odor go.
Samuel
Ma4170;
Do you watch any Orioles game?
Mateo is a remarkable defensive SS that save the Orioles pitchers with the plays he routinely makes. Elias and Hyde both know it and have said it.
Signing someone like Correa to a long-term outrageous contract will undermine that entire rebuild. I think Elias is posturing.
Ma4170
His defense doesn’t near make up for his horrendous offense. He could be the second coming of Ozzie Smith, and his defense wouldn’t save the number of runs that Correa’s bat would generate over his. And like I said, just move him to 2b then if he’s so valuable defensively.
Samuel
Ma4170;
I like Correa. IMO he’s the best SS in MLB when he’s healthy.
But like last year, he misses 20-25% of his teams games.
Do you have any clue about the percentage of the Orioles payroll that Correa would eat up?
The Orioles would have to get rid of some of their players just to fit him on. And I’m not just talking about 2023 – I’m talking about a number of years after as those young players get better and can demand higher salaries.
What you’re talking about will totally undermine the Orioles rebuild. You must love the way the White Sox did their rebuild.
Not to worry. Mr. Elias knows everything I just wrote.
Ma4170
I’m with you on Correa and the injury risk. But are the Orioles that strapped they couldn’t add a 9-270 type to their payroll? That shouldn’t be prohibitive for a team that used to fill the stadium and run a fairly high payroll. They have so many quality young pieces under control for several years (Adley, Gunnar, Grayson… if you want to throw in Mullins, Mountcastle, Hays types). If Correa stays healthy, he has at least 5 prime years left, and Mateo could slide to 2b where his defensive metrics still play. But I just don’t see how one $30M player should cripple a franchise like the Orioles. They shouldn’t be in the same restrictive sandbox as the Pirates, Rays, Royals, etc. It would be similar to the timing of the Machado and Harper signings, which have worked out thus far. They’ll be awful by the last few years of the deal, but that’s any deal for a big FA.
jorge78
Well any team can “check in.”
I keep “checking in” on whether the billionaire industrial complex is going to ask me to run for president.
Let’s see the signed contract…..
rememberthecoop
That’s right Jorge. I always see my Cubs mentioned as “interested” yet everybody knows their owner is cheap and they have a very risk adverse POBO in Jed Hoyer.
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Jorge, you might have too clean of a background to get into such things.
dpsmith22
No way we sign any of those guys with 5-6 good short stop, prospects. Heyman delivering useless news per usual.
msqboxer
I think it’s these SS’s agents dropping these “interested” stories for teams like the Orioles and the Cubs only to make other teams pony up bigger contracts. Both the Cubs and Orioles have SS’s in place or soon to be in place and the teams are still a year or two away. Now in 2023 FA class they say both these teams are in on Devers, I’d buy it.
misterb71
Allow me to summarize all Heyman posts and articles in one giant swoop.
“I’m hearing all these teams are looking at all these players.”
TheDogDays
In unrelated news, the Orioles have suddenly decided to bring the left field fence back in….
SaintChris
The first order of business should be signing Rutschman to an extension, so they don’t repeat the Machado mistake.
Thornton Mellon
Reading comments… no one wants to replace anyone on the Orioles’ offense yet we are looking at an offense which was below average in 2022, struck out a lot, and had trouble getting on base. Odor not returning should close a hole, but I would say the Orioles should explore upgrades everywhere except for catcher and wherever they decide to deploy Gunnar. But they could use a high OBP guy for sure. As always I’m uncomfortable with a team full of prospects because not all of them pan out at the MLB level.
But first priority are two at least above average SP’s who can give 180-200 reliable innings.
BPax
They just paid off Chris Davis’s contract this year. They’re probably a little shell shocked from that one. A contender for the worst return in MLB history.
SaintChris
I believe they’ll be paying Chris Davis until 2037. He got some type of Bonilla deal.
lakeg
The O’s is the team that will benefit the most from the new balanced schedule in 2023 as they will play 24 less games against AL East teams (34-42 in 2002). 1 or 2 free agents + the normal progression of their young players should translate in a win in at least 1 out of 4 of those games which ought to be enough to make the playoffs!
Yankee Clipper
It seems to me (from an outsider’s perspective) that the O’s would benefit much more by allocating star FA SS money toward a SP or two. The high-AAV, short-term deals would actually fit quite nicely with them because they have plenty of room for the salary, they need the rotation help, and would be able to dump the salary in 2-3 years.
Rodon (not short-term) would obviously be awesome there (or anywhere, imho) but even DeGrom/Verlander would work really well for them. If they really want an left-side IF guy, which seems to me to be the position they may need least, Swanson would be a really good compromise. Wouldn’t necessitate the length or the salary of the others.
And I would do a Braves-esque extension for Rutschmann since his prospect performance translated to the Bigs.
Thornton Mellon
Like I alluded to in another thread what will be the approach actually taken? Elias isn’t exactly forthcoming.
The Orioles aren’t going to fill the holes they have and make that step forward by trying to find all their players in the Rule 5 or on dumpster diving expeditions or by expecting every prospect to come up and become a HOF. This offseason in my eyes is Elias/the Orioles demonstrating who they are going to be for the rest of the decade. I expect aggressiveness… no, not becoming the Yankees or Dodgers overnight but competing and actively making strong moves to improve and to ensure they have a strong team with a larger margin to absorb injuries, prospects falling flat, etc.
They need two solid SP’s. They need a high OBP guy and they could use some power. Signing Adley to an extension within the next 12 months would prove commitment and stability. These are needs over and above young players they have now.
Maybe one of these SS’s isn’t the way to go (Mateo is fast with a good glove but can’t get on base effectively enough, I’m ok with him if he’s at the bottom of an otherwise above average lineup…or perhaps this is where Gunnar ends up).
Samuel
Thornton Mellon;
The best way for the Orioles to “fill the holes” – whatever that means – is to play their youngsters and keep the best ones. Currently they aren’t even sure what they have.
You have the Orioles rebuild confused with the White Sox “rebuild”.
Edp007
Every team can afford whomever they want , every team. Mlb is so flush with cash.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Orioles need to just get the gosh deGrom thing done.
Why’d they move the Wall again? Was it to get RH SS’s…or pitching?!?!
Rsox
Chris Davis and Ubaldo Jimenez have rightly so probably made the Orioles a bit gun shy on big money long-term deals. I feel Heyman will say anything just to have a story to right so who knows how valid any of this is
Samuel
Rsox;
The current Orioles front office had nothing at all to do with the signings of Chris Davis and Ubaldo Jimenez.
The heads of their FO came from Houston where the Astros didn’t do dumb things like lay out outrageous long-term contracts coming out of a rebuild for 30 year-old players that are passing their peaks and demanding astronomical contracts. The Orioles have dozens of young players that are incredibly talented. Many of whom are going to get better and become stars in the near future…and will play for reasonable salaries that a small market team can afford to pay. They’ve invested lots of time and money finding them, signing them, coaching them up, and they sure as heck aren’t going to trade multiple ones for some over the hill guy.
This is not rotisserie league. The Orioles will be sustainable contenders for the next 5 years….as the Astros have been for 8 and counting.
kurtzmg
When the dumpster diving begins, the Orioles will be right there.
Bobby Mongan
I don’t believe the premise of this story. With the amount of infield talent on the team as well as in the minors there is much better ways to spend money. Mateo may or may not be the answer at shortstop, but there’s Henderson on the club that can play there and Ortiz and Holliday waiting for the opportunity.