It’s no secret that the Giants are in the thick of a pursuit for the game’s top free agent outfielder Aaron Judge, but president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi says the team is looking to add a couple of outfielders this winter (via Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area).
The Giants’ talks with Judge “are continuing” and the Giants “have really strong interest” in adding the AL MVP says Zaidi. Yet Judge may not be the only new possible new face patrolling the outfield at Oracle Park in 2023, with Zaidi looking to add more than one.
That the Giants would look to add two outfielders this winter is interesting, though perhaps not surprising. As things stand, they have LaMonte Wade Jr., Mike Yastrzemski, Joc Pederson, Austin Slater and Luis Gonzalez in the mix for outfield playing time. Pederson seems likely to spend plenty of time at DH, while Gonzalez has a minor league option remaining and may be better suited as a depth piece, as too might Wade Jr.
The Giants have already been linked with Mitch Haniger, Brandon Nimmo and Cody Bellinger this winter, as well as Judge, although it’s not known if they were looking at the previous trio as contingencies to Judge or in addition to him. Of course, it’s not necessarily as simple as that, and while the Giants have the financial muscle to make plenty of moves, it’d seem more likely they’d go after Nimmo in the event they miss out on Judge, while the likes of Haniger and Bellinger – who will command smaller deals than Nimmo – might be more attractive as options alongside a hypothetical Judge signing.
Outside of that trio of options, the likes of Andrew Benintendi and Michael Brantley could make sense. On the trade market, Bryan Reynolds handed in a trade request to the Pirates over the weekend, and it’s certainly possible the Giants could have interest in bringing back a player they drafted and developed.
While the outfield looks to be an area of focus for the Giants, Zaidi also said they’re looking to add a starting pitcher (via Evan Webeck of Mercury News). They’ve reportedly been interested in bringing back Carlos Rodon, but Zaidi was asked about adding a No. 2 starter behind Logan Webb and said “we’ve kind of got other needs”. That suggests that any starting pitcher addition is more likely to come from the mid-tier of options, with names such as Kodai Senga, Taijuan Walker and Jameson Taillon among the options.
Judge & Bellinger to go along side Joc!
Not alongside Joc, he’s better suited at DH. And rather have better options than Bellinger, like Nimmo, Benentendi, or Haniger. I even rather have Conforto than Bellinger.
All three Benentendi, Nimmo and Haniger. OF set.
Bellinger would be a one year deal. Farhan’s MO
Lol can’t see judge signing in frisco , so far behind ,gonna be at best third in division team for a long time
Yankees fan here, my gut feeling says Judge is heading to SF on a 9 or maybe even a 10 year deal. I guess we’ll all find in the next day or two.
Yankee fan here. On those terms, at over $300mm, SF can have him. Yankees already have too many millstone contracts that won’t age well.
Fan Expectations: Nimmo and Judge!!!
Reality: Travis Jankowski and Guillermo Heredia
As a Giant fan all I can do is laugh because they’ve legitimately had offseasons pretty close to that lol
Jo Adell and some bubble gum for Crawford
What kind of gum? How many packs??
If I’m a Giants fan I would be asking “is this the master plan come to fruition?” There has been so much talk about Zaidi being a genius, but after 3 years or whatever he’s in a position where he has to tear a page out of the Cashman playbook and just buy players at the top of the market in order to compete? Pretty much anyone can do that. I complain a lot about John Mozeliak, and I will complain more this offseason, but I’m glad we’re not in this spot.
Giants fan, here, and I can tell you that most of us are torn. My heart says, “sign Judge no matter what it takes”, and his star power will make up for any “albatross” that his contract likely will become in a few years. And, heck, it’s not MY money anyway! But my brain says, “no one person can be worth THAT much money” in the team sport of baseball… they’d be much better signing Nimmo or Bellinger, Senga, a quality middle infielder, a couple bullpen arms like Taylor Johnson, and maybe a backup Catcher to boot. I think I’m gonna be disappointed… and relieved… somehow, no matter what happens.
Right, but my point is, should the Giants be in a position where they “need” so many things after 3 years of Zaidi?
I don’t disagree with you point, and I know I wasn’t directly answering it. Zaidi definitely painted himself into a corner by not making any major additions last off season — except for Rodon, of course, (which turned out to be ultimately just another one-year contract for a pitcher to regain value). By assuming the Giants’ funhouse-mirror 107-win season was the real thing, Zaidi put the Giants’ development as an organization back by a year. It wasn’t his fault, maybe, that some of their prospects didn’t develop like they had hoped. That’s just dumb luck, if you ask me. And, they did make some gains, what with Vaun Brown and Harrison and Casey Schmitt, it wasn’t ENTIRELY a list season in the minors. But close. I think the “tarnish” is at least starting to wear off on Zaidi. But I’m still willing to give him a couple more years. Let’s see what happens to ALL the talent they have in high-A and AA before we entirely write Zaidi off.
That’s completely fair. I’m not really writing Zaidi off as much as I’m suggesting that maybe he’s human after all. Funhouse mirror is the BEST description I’ve heard used to describe their “21 season. I guess I just feel like the Giants should have more long term pieces in place even if they don’t come from the farm. Like Muncy and J. Turner turned into for the Dodgers. Right now Webb and Bart look like the only building blocks.
I think your perception of their need is overrated. They won 107 games and the division title in 2021 when everything went right . And they were a .500 team in 2022., went everything went wrong. The reality is somewhere in between, They don’t need that much to be a playoff team.
Maybe. I actually thought along those lines, but the one thing that went right in “22 was Rodon and he isn’t currently in the mix. So if the season started today, they may not be a .500 team. Several of the key contributors from “21 are gone. So I’m not convinced this team is “somewhere in between”.
There aren’t that many key contributors from 2021 other than Posey and Gausman. And remember their 5th SP was Cueto. You’re right about Rodon, who replaced Gausman, but then again, free-agency isn’t over, and they have Kyle Harrison who may be on the 25 man roster in 2023. But all in all it still does not say to me that they have a lot of holes to fill.
I don’t think I would say that Bart and Webb are their ONLY foundational pieces, either. They have Doval who was lights out all season and even better in the second half. Casey Schmitt, Kyle Harrison and perhaps even Sean Hjelle are all very, VERY close. And if even TWO out of Reggie Crawford, Luis Matos, Marco Luciano, Vaun Brown, Will Wilson, and Helot Ramos are successful, that’s quite a wave of talent arriving in the next 1 – 2 years. Plus, whoever the Giants sign this off season if they’re as aggressive as everyone thinks they’ll be? They’ll have a damn good team in a year or two.
I forgot about Doval. But the rest is still speculation including this offseason. It’s not unreasonable to think Judge could stay in NY. I wholeheartedly believe Correa is a mercenary and I believe the Giants will make the top offer, but crazier things have happened. If they lose out on those two, this offseason may not be a difference maker.
100% agree. They do have some intriguing prospects in the minors and Bart should take a step forward at least
Judge’s decision will define Zaidi; (1) prove he can seal the deal for superstar talent, or (2) continue to be King of dumpster diving and platoon players.
Everything went wrong? Rodon pitched to 6.2 fwar, Alex Cobb decided to have the best year of his career at 34 and Joc Pederson put up a 144wRC+. I think their talent level is much closer to 2022 than to 2021.
Don’t forget their entire minors development was set back a year because of COVID.
DonOsbourn — Considering where they were, Zaidi hasn’t done a bad job. The problem has been the injuries and slow development of the AAA prospects. (AA prospects are looking very good.) But because of that slow development at AAA, the Giants front office needs to start plowing some money into the roster—which hopefully will happen in the next few days and weeks.
How is Correa more mercenary than DeGrom, Trea Turner or any Major League player? I’m hoping Correa, Nimmo and Senga. They’ll all cost lots and lots of money which, thankfully, the Giants have. They better spend some of it this off season.
Redwolves3 — It’s not that black and white.
flamingbagofpoop, I admit everything didn’t go wrong. That was an intentional gross over-simplification as a counterpoint to the gross over-simplification to everything went right in 2021. More went wrong in 2022 than in 2021. Not everything went right in 2021. They had their share of injuries in 2021, but had effective back-up when they did. In 2022, that back-up wasn’t there like the year before.
I couldn’t disagree more to the idea that Cobb had the best season of his career. He had a 108 ERA+ in 2022. It was 119 the year before with LAA, and 109 the year before that for the O’s. With the Rays he had 4 season where the ERA+ was between 111, and 139. So 2022 wasn’t even close to being his best season.
Giants fan, here, and I can tell you that most of us are torn. My heart says, “sign Judge no matter what it takes”, and his star power will make up for any “albatross” that his contract likely will become in a few years. And, heck, it’s not MY money anyway! But my brain says, “no one person can be worth THAT much money” in the team sport of baseball… they’d be much better signing Nimmo or Bellinger, Senga, a quality middle infielder, a couple bullpen arms like Taylor Johnson, and maybe a backup Catcher to boot. I think I’m gonna be disappointed… and relieved… no matter what happens.
Judge the Giant
Semien , Seager , Judge , Lowe , Adolis, Jung Heim, … not bad , DrGrom , Rodon, Gray Perez. Not bad. Let’s go Rangers
Call the Brewers for Taylor and Winkers.
Exactly what would the Giants trade for Reynolds?
Joey Bart and a third round draft pick? Reynolds’s would be a good add, and Zaidi gets paid to be creative.
Other teams can beat that offer. Plus, the Pirates don’t need a catcher. They’ll want prospects who are a year or 2 away from MLB.
The Pirates do not need a catcher and Bart does not hit well enough to be a full-time 1B or DH.
Less than what the Padres gave for Soto. The Giants have enough if they wanted to go that route. Luciano alone is close so he and a low level prospect would get their attention. Or Harrison, Matos, Bednar and Ramos. Though any of McCray, Swiney, Whisenhunt, or Murphy could swap out either of the last two.
Luciano probably should get their attention, but if the reports from multiple teams about Pitt’s asking price being insane are correct, it probably wouldn’t at least not yet.
flamingbagofpoop, According to BTV, Reynolds has a median trade of 59.9, while Luciano’s is 54.2. The Pirates might have a high price, but his value decreases each year they hold on to him. I doubt they’ll want to pay the big arb raises he’s going to get next season and the one after, and doubt they’ll be happy with only the comp pick when he walks. At some point they need to get reasonable about the trade demands.
As far as prospects, it’s anyone not named the following.
Marco Luciano
Kyle Harrison
Casey Schmitt
Aeverson Arteaga
Reggie Crawford
Yoki, Without anyone on your list Reynolds will not be coming to SF.
Dodgers looking a little thin in the lineup , gotta be spending , same with Yanks , only a few impact guys to have. Who’s gonna be left out and be weaker next year ?
Is it me, or is this years F/A OF market weak? There’s like a dozen teams wanting help there, and only a handful of solid choices.
Coz everyone gets locked up now. Gotta sign and pay or you’re stuck for years without good players.
It feels like the Giants are willing to spend anything to get Judge and Judge wants to go to the Giants if the money and years tops the Yankees by even one dollar. So Judge is continuing negotiations with the Yankees to keep pushing the Giants’ offer by dollars and years.
What may have been an initial 8 year/$320M offer from the Giants and 8 years/$300M from the Yankees might wind up at 9 years/$381M from the Yankees and 10 years/$400M from the Giants, with the Giants winning the bidding war, despite the lower AAV and at that level a rather negligible extra $19M.
I’m not sure that could be termed “winning”.
I’m that spacious ballpark and playing in a division of spacious outfields, the elite defense of Bellinger makes a lot of sense.
It makes even more sense if they add Judge, who can make up for the lack of bat.
Calling Oracle spacious is no longer accurate. The changes 3 years ago now have it playing neutral. According to Statcast’s park factors there are 15 more parks less hitter-friendly.
Giants need a whole team outside DH Joc and SP Webb.
That franchise is a mess, it’s funny to watch them struggle signing players
A’sfaninWales;
This is the problem I see…..
Why in the world would a prime free agent want to sign an 5-plus year contract to play there? Because they get 10-15% more money – which they can’t spend in their lifetimes anyway? They’d be like Bryan Reynolds on the Pirates – one decent player on a team of question marks. Who’d want to be stuck there for 5-plus years?
Seems to me the Giants are a team an agent can negotiate with to run his players price up. Zaidi and his staff have been there for 3 years. They’ve built next to nothing. A nice city to play in. But no player needs to pretend he can turn a bad team and FO around by himself.
I thought one of the FA SS’s was a slam dunk to go to the Giants. Don’t think so. Correa to the Cubs makes more sense – they appear to have some sort of future. Bogaerts can get overpaid to play in sunny San Diego with Machado, Soto and anyone else money can buy. Swanson can play with any number of teams – including staying with a perennial contender and players he’s comfortable with. As for Judge or Nimmo…..I just don’t see it in SF. Standing around in the OF looking at a his teammates on the field that are basically utility players to start the game, that may be swapped out for other utility players based on analytics as the game goes on. Nah, they have other options. They’re 30 years old. Why would they go through a rebuild that may well not work?
We don’t listen to AAAs fans
If we lose Judge, then I want nothing less than a pivot to other free agents to prove that the team brass are serious about winning.
Rodon, Benintendi/Nimmo, Bogaerts or Swanson. That salvages the off-season
We should know tomorrow, but I agree with you, man. If we keep Judge it should be: Judge/Reynolds/Rodon. We lose Judge it should be: Reynolds/Rodon/Bogaerts and then one of Yoshida/Nimmo/Bennintendi
Then we would actually be a championship-caliber team.
Whatever happens, don’t get discouraged. I know how you feel. When Pujols left after ’11, it incited anxiety. But keep in mind, you guys still have good team with good young players you have been waiting a while to see. Don’t panic and block their path/hinder their development. It’s ok to go into the season with some uncertainty at a couple spots even in the AL East. Ask the Angels how the Pujols thing worked out.
Angels ownership was pleased with Pujols. Fans who only look at stats mot so much.
You know Arte?
Hopefully they get something done today. Us fans haven’t had much to get excited about since around the all-star break.
Hoping and praying for Judge and Haniger but I know it’ll most likely be Cameron Maybin and Justin Upton….
Masataka Yoshida?
Taking my 12 year old little girl to the NY Mets vs SF Giants on April 22. I’ve got my fingers crossed that the Giants will have Judge, Correa, etc..
This is a huge off-season for Farhan and the entire Giants front office.
Sheesh. 2 is good. Farhan is like a homeless man with an all you can eat McDonald’s voucher.
Just why is it that the Giants are unable to draft and develop their OWN outfielders ???
Not sure yet what FZ’s approach is, but in the past it’s because they prioritized pitching, catching, and IF over the OF. No team can develop top talent across the board and the OF is the easiest to supplement. from outside.
I would also point out that the Giants drafted and developed Bryan Reynolds, so it’s not like they’re unable, but unfortunately they traded him away when he was close.
See also Adam Duvall..
agreed gfan but didn’t Duvall come through the system as a 3rd/1st baseman?
C’mon Giants / Farhan
It’s literally Judgment Day !