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Latest On Angels’ Managerial Search

By Nick Deeds | October 29, 2023 at 11:22pm CDT

Though the impending free agency of Shohei Ohtani remains the biggest story of the offseason in Anaheim, the club parted ways with manager Phil Nevin at the end of the 2023 campaign, leading the club to begin a search for his replacement. The search has already turned up a handful of candidates including recently-fired Mets manager Buck Showalter, who has both expressed interest in the job and seen that interest reciprocated by Angels brass. Infield coach Benji Gil and longtime Angels outfielder Darin Erstad have also previously been floated as potential candidates for the position.

USA Today’s Bob Nightengale provided an update on the club’s managerial search this morning, and in doing so put forth three more candidates: five-time All Star Torii Hunter, who patrolled the outfield in Anaheim for five seasons; 1993 Rookie of the Year Tim Salmon, who spent his entire 14-year big league career with the Angels; and veteran coach Ron Roenicke, who spent seven seasons as a third base coach in Anaheim under Mike Scioscia.

Nightengale gives particular mention to Hunter, noting that the 48-year-old is “tremendously regarded” by Angels owner Arte Moreno. Moreno is known to be among the most hands-on owners in the game, so his endorsement would surely be a notable piece of any managerial candidate’s resume. That being said, Hunter lacks experience in the dugout beyond his playing career, which would conflict with the Angels’ previously-reported preference for an experienced manager to take over in Nevin’s stead. Salmon faces a similar roadblock, though he’s served as head coach of Scottsdale Christian Academy in Phoenix since 2015.

If the Angels are valuing experience in their managerial search, Roenicke certainly fits the bill. In addition to his aforementioned tenure with the Angels as a third base coach and an eight-year playing career in the majors, the 67-year-old has served as manager for both the Brewers and Red Sox in the past, while also serving as a coach with the Dodgers and in Boston throughout his post-playing career. He currently serves as a special assistant in the Dodgers’ front office. Nightengale suggests that Roenicke, along with Gil and Showalter, may be in line for formal interviews with the club. It’s unclear if Hunter would also be in line for a potential interview, though Nightengale reports Erstad and Salmon’s candidacies as merely having been “discussed” by Angels brass.

Whoever ultimately takes the reins of the Angels dugout this offseason, they’ll have their work cut out for them in 2024. The Angels finished with identical 73-89 records in both 2022 and 2023, and are at risk of losing a superstar, two-way talent in Ohtani this offseason. Even if the club manages to retain Ohtani, he won’t pitch in 2024, leaving the club with a vacancy at the front of the rotation on top of holes to fill in the bullpen. While the club has a solid position player group, it lacks depth that is particularly necessary for a club that’s seen frequent trips to the injured list for Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, and other veteran players in recent seasons.

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  1. MattyD 2

    2 years ago

    Rendon is washed up! He got his money now he’s a waste of a roster spot.

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    • laynestaley2002

      2 years ago

      And only 3/$105MM to go!!

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      • Deadguy

        2 years ago

        Boras is looking like the cover of Fat of the Land on that deal

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      Beware of Boras clients in their walk years. They’re looking for a MASSIVE payday, soft landing spot and a place to go into early retirement.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        Beware of Boras clients in their walk years.
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        It’s not really Boras. Plenty of free agents have great years when they walk. Most of us would do the same thing. I’d spent the off-season AND the regular season working out every day, going to the best baseball camp I could find, hiring a chef, no or little alcohol, etc.

        The issue is with GMs who refuse to look at the entire body of work because of the always valuable “this time it is different”.

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    • Zerbs63

      2 years ago

      Naw Rendon is playing his IL position well, he is very consistent.

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      • Armaments216

        2 years ago

        Sure the last few years have been choppy. But the Angels are confident there’ll be smooth sailing ahead under newly named player-skipper Anthony Rendon.

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      • Niekro floater

        2 years ago

        IL All-Star

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 years ago

      I saw that one coming. He was aging when they signed him and they did not pick up on that.

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      • User 2079935927

        2 years ago

        Sure you did

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          Honestly, I was never sold on the guy. Always found him overrated. He signed for a lot of money just as he’s getting to his 30’s. That’s not a good sign.

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        • Deadguy

          2 years ago

          Winslow leach he said “baseball is a job, not something I love” he doesn’t plan on signing another deal plans on retiring at 36… all of this was said via Ken Rosenthal during the 2019 world series

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        That’s an Angels rule. LMK if you see a pattern, In their first year with the Angels:

        Rendon 30
        Pujols 32
        Upton 30 (1st full season)
        Wells 32
        Cozart 32
        CJ Wilson 31
        Hamilton 32

        I think ~ 28 is supposed to be your peak, and then you start a slow decline. Then 32 is roughly the year you start your deeper decline. They are signing players that are probably already in decline/steep decline.

        And they never, ever understand why.

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        • Deadguy

          2 years ago

          Pujols hit how many homeruns at age 42 again? There was a really interesting article put out about how they refused pujols the treadmill he needed to stay in shape? Imagine that he comes back to STL and doesn’t doe jack the first half while getting into shape and then? Homerun derby and dynamite? Anyways… alot needs to change in the angles organization

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          26-30 is peak and decline typically starts with age 31 season. It is fairly predictable through age 35 at about a 7% offensive decline and a steeper defensive decline for positions that require range like OF or SS. Then performance starts to fall off a cliff.

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        • User 1855579867

          2 years ago

          Pujols’ resurgence in his last year was because he started trying again, to go out in glory. He was on comfy coasting mode for years. Like Rendon.

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    • rottenboyfriend

      2 years ago

      U never know with baseball we have 2 wildcard teams playing for the title and both lost over 100 games two years ago! Dodgers, Orioles and Atlanta all win over 100 games and they are all eliminated in the first round with the Dodgers getting swept by a team they dominated during the regular season! The Yankees and Padres have top 4 payrolls yet both teams aren’t even close to making the playoffs! This is why baseball fans are optimistic for their teams every year because U just never know what’s gonna happen! Adell could figure it out and some other young draft picks turn the corner and you become a winning team over night! Go Angels!

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      • Cora the Destroya

        2 years ago

        Yankees and Padres weren’t far off from a playoff spot and will surely be in the mix next year. Everything else you’ve said is blatantly obvious.

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        • HALfromVA

          2 years ago

          Judgement, the things you just pointed out are blatantly obvious.

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      • Ejemp2006

        2 years ago

        The new playoff format favors the hot teams over the good teams. The Dodgers and Braves were the best top to bottom teams in baseball this year and it kinda stinks that neither were even in the NLCS. However this also means teams can’t spend their way to a championship because culture and comraderie are definitely proving to be the keys to getting hot and staying hot.
        This does not bode well for the Angels because they can’t buy the right free agents or create good ju ju in the clubhouse.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          Angels’ actions for accomplishment:
          1. Sign the Salmon
          2. Train the Trout
          3. Release the Rendon for Retirement
          4. More of Moore
          5. Double-down on Detmers
          6. Goodbye for Giolito
          7. Sayonara to Shohei Ohtani
          8. Win with Ward
          9. Success for Sandoval
          10. Dance with Wantz

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        • User 2079935927

          2 years ago

          Giolito has been gone before the season ended ZHemlock. Same with Moore. The Angels aren’t releasing Rendon SMH.

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        • Teamspirit

          2 years ago

          No way on signing Salmon. Have you heard him talk? It’s all about the Tim Salmon show, and his analysis is weak. I’d take Showalter, Hunter or Erstad over him in a heartbeat

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          Chant it loud, brother!

          SIGN THE SALMON,
          TRAIN THE TROUT

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        • radhippo

          2 years ago

          Keep Salmon away from the team at all costs!!!
          He was an a hole as a player and continues to be an a hole today!

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        • radhippo

          2 years ago

          Get Salmon the hell outta here!!!

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        • radhippo

          2 years ago

          Bring Salmon in would be a catastrophic fuqup!!!

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        The … Padres have top 4 payrolls … aren’t even close to making the playoffs!
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        They were only two games back. Preller should’ve added more at the deadline.

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        • Niekro floater

          2 years ago

          Preller shoulda added more pitching n depth to reg roster B4 season started. Trade deadline is to fine tune not reinvent urself. Players he did bring in were just peripheral guys not studs to get u into and far in playoffs. Preller pinched pennies n got Rich Hill n cpl backup 1stbsmen.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          Padres pitching staff had the best ERA in baseball. They were 3rd down the stretch in September. Not sure how much better or deeper they needed to be.

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  2. My Strawman > Your Strawman

    2 years ago

    Roenicke’s recent gigs have been managing tanking teams until they improve and then getting fired so a bigger name can take over. So this should be a job for life.

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    • solaris602

      2 years ago

      Roenicke is MLB’s version of roving GMs in the hotel industry who are sent to clean up the mess in a failing hotel and get it working well enough to sell off.

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 years ago

      As a Sox fan, I was a little turned off how they used the guy to take over in 2020 only to let him go once again for Alex Cora.

      I’m not a Cora hater. In fact, I liked the move to rehire him; I just didn’t like how they made Roenicke the fall guy.

      I’ve been on that side of jobs several times before and it’s not fun.

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  3. This one belongs to the Reds

    2 years ago

    They could do worse than Buck.

    Roenicke is an interesting name that might get a try, however. Depends on which direction they want to go or if they want to stay in house.

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    • unpaidobserver

      2 years ago

      Yeah but Angels are turning into a manager retirement home…

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        2 years ago

        Great screen name +1

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  4. Logistics Guy

    2 years ago

    Buck S I know you wanted to manage again but you just left one bad situation. Why jump Into a other one both the LAA and New York Mets.

    Have owners that are very smart business people because they make a ton of money to buy a major league baseball team.

    However both owners want to play GM & Owner a recipe for disaster. Look at the Atlanta Braves get Ted Turner out of the front office and you start winning consecutively

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  5. RedFraggle

    2 years ago

    Hunter would be terrible. The guy has said some really crappy stuff over the years.

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    • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

      2 years ago

      Booooooo lol

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    • User 2079935927

      2 years ago

      Like what?

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      • RedFraggle

        2 years ago

        Homophobic stuff, anti-latino player stuff.

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        • chalk73

          2 years ago

          Like what? You label the guy as a racist and homophobe that doesn’t deserve a job. Shame on you.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          He didn’t say anti Latino stuff. Talk about preventing what he said.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          Chalk, he didn’t say anti Latino stuff. He was talking about getting more African Americans in baseballs. He said something to the effect Latinos are not African Americans.

          He was right on both counts. Only the crazies and the ignorant had an issue with it. Arte obviously didn’t.

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          2 years ago

          Great Googly Moogly

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        • DODGER JR

          2 years ago

          All I have ever heard is that Hunter was called the N word numerous times in Boston.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Well he did say it would be difficult and uncomfortable for him to have a gay teammate bc of his religious beliefs. Cant see that as changing since then, and he prob wouldn’t be crazy about managing anyone homosexual.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          And yet it’s OK when Hollywood musicians say the N word. ESPN will host and celebrate them right after.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          It be difficult for me to have a gay teammate.

          It’s not enough to be tolerant. It’s not enough to be welcoming. You have to be fully comfortable with full acceptance?

          Set an impossible bar and when people don’t reach it, they enter the bigot zone? Welcome to the new dynamic.

          I’m a Christian and I’m not comfortable with all Christians. I guess that makes me a bigot.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          Let me put it more simply. You can be uncomfortable with prayer, that doesn’t make you a bigot. Preventing other people from praying, makes you a bigot.

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        • chalk73

          2 years ago

          I agree with you Halo12Fan 100%.

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        • prov356

          2 years ago

          You are spot on Halo with your string of comments here. Their form of tolerance is a one way street. The word “phobic” means to have an irrational fear of something. No one I know of who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is fearful of gay people. It’s such an overused cliche. Christians need to be more bold in defending our faith. God loves everyone and everyone is redeemable through Jesus. We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.

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        • User 2079935927

          2 years ago

          Red- No he hasnt. He mentioned how bad Red Sox fans treat black players with their insults. Nice try though.

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        • User 2079935927

          2 years ago

          I wouldn’t call Rappers musicsians.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          Why would anyone be uncomfortable with playing w someone who is homosexual or find it difficult, especially at this point? Disagreement w a belief system is one thing, finding it difficult to have someone as a teammate is another. You’re talking like he’s saying it would be difficult to play w a vegetarian or something innocuous… this is a group that’s been made “uncomfortable” themselves for years. That’s not even close to tolerance, which is a low bar as it is.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          In the report, Hunter was quoted as saying: “People see dark faces out there, and the perception is that they’re African-American. They’re not us. They’re impostors. Even people I know come up and say: ‘Hey, what color is Vladimir Guerrero? Is he a black player?’ I say, ‘Come on, he’s Dominican. He’s not black.’ …

          “As African-American players, we have a theory that baseball can go get an imitator and pass them off as us. It’s like they had to get some kind of dark faces, so they go to the Dominican or Venezuela because you can get them cheaper. It’s like, ‘Why should I get this kid from the South Side of Chicago and have Scott Boras represent him and pay him $5 million when you can get a Dominican guy for a bag of chips?’ … I’m telling you, it’s sad,” he said.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Only the crazies and the ignorant had an issue with it.
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          I’d have had an issue with it if I were Latino.

          1-Some Latinos are black just like some Americans are black, some Venezuelans are black, etc.

          2-He’s an idiot if he thinks BB is trying to pass of Latinos as blacks.

          3-Getting a Dominican to play for a bag of chips? If a white player said “why should I hire a white guy to repair my roof when I can get a black guy who will repair it for a bags of chips”, he’d be out of baseball.

          That said, he apologized for some poor word choices, and imo, we move on. But if I were Latino, I might be a little suspicious.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          It’s such an overused cliche.
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          The issue now is that Americans are far weaker than they use to be. Anyone disagreeing with your POV curls up and looks for a safe space. Or better yet, they feel “threatened” and consider other opinions as a form of violence.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          The whole context was to get African Americans in baseball and that people think baseball doesn’t have a problem because there is so much color in baseball.

          Honestly, only the crazies and ignorant were offended.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          To be honest, I always thought other guys talking about sex with their SO was a little odd. I’m like, ‘dude, I am here for the game and the beer, and most everything else is TMI’.

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        • Teamspirit

          2 years ago

          Straight people have been gyrating for 100 years on TV, in the movies and in our dance clubs. Overt sexuality in the media comes from the male lusting after women. Now, that gays have jumped onto your bus, you complain.

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        • prov356

          2 years ago

          Nice spin, camp. It’s not appropriate for anyone. However, the point was the LGBTQ community is specifically targeting and sexualizing children. That’s over and above inappropriate.

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        • Teamspirit

          2 years ago

          That is fake news. There is no targeting of children. LGBTQ people are too busy defending themselves from haters, police and general misinformation like yours.

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        • phantomofdb

          2 years ago

          @Halo11Fan

          No the only thing ignorant was Torii’s comments. You think David Ortiz and Vladimir Guerrero, the “imposters” would have been able to play pre Jackie Robinson? Plus, that comment is incredibly racist anyway. Like Ortiz and guerrero woke up and decided to have black skin.

          Torii also said he didn’t want gay teammates and he also said white people shouldn’t wear #42

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        • phantomofdb

          2 years ago

          Yes all of that makes you a bigot

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        • phantomofdb

          2 years ago

          @Halo11Fan

          You need to get out of your shelter and go meet some people in the real world. Some of the stuff you have said in this thread is straight up offensive, and you’re actually getting upvotes for it? Appalling.

          Gay people are just people. And I can assure you from your attitude and the way you act – none of them would be interested in you, so you don’t have to worry about anyone checking out your ‘equipment’.

          Please grow up.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          Angel camp, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          The studio was very concerned about the movie Animal House offending African Americans. So they got Richard Prior to review the film and he said “White people are Stupid!”

          It’s amazing how many pseudo intellectual white people get offended about the dumbest things,

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        • prov356

          2 years ago

          You haven’t been paying attention to reality, camp. Just cuz you say it’s not happening doesn’t make it so…it’s happening. For example, watch any recent Disney movie.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          The whole context was to get African Americans in baseball and that people think baseball doesn’t have a problem because there is so much color in baseball.
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          I doubt anyone thinks in terms of “we have plenty of Latinos, so we don’t need any more black players”.

          In fact, I doubt anyone cares how many black players there are in baseball, let alone think of the issue as black v Latino.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          LOL! It took me a minute to remember the blacks scene. I’d bet Animal House probably got about the same approval ratings from whites as from blacks.

          FWIW, Eddie Murphy had a similar schtick about blacks and whites irt The Amityville Horror. He said as soon as the house started talking to him and saying “Get Out”, he’d have gotten out. Then said the white folks just buy the house. It was funny as heck, even though he was obviously making fun of white people. Or the skit about the little Italian man outside the movie theater after having seen Rocky?

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          I’m very happy you responded that way.

          I think we get way too nuts thinking about how other people might be offended.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          2 years ago

          phantom I agree with you 100%

          What Halo said was and is extremely offensive towards gays. People need to stop hiding behind their religious “shield”. Get a clue and start acting like an adult.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          This will be the only time I will bring up religion on here. Like politics it should be strictly verboten.

          Just curious, when did Jesus mention gays in the New Testament? Is that in the Beatitudes? Cause I am a Christian and have been taught since a child to be a disciple of Christ and follow his teachings. He said that he was come to fulfill the OT and give a new teachings. He said that he who is without sin should throw the first stone Being uncomfortable with gays or not wanting to play baseball with them is not part of his teachings in any way.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          No. They aren’t.

          When you see reports of pedophilia or convictions for child related photos( I can’t say the word on here apparently), who are the people that are most often found to have perpetrated the crime?

          If you said youth pastors, you would be correct. If you said pastors or priests or other church leaders you would also be correct. Between the two they make up more than 70% of the cases according to FBI data.

          If you said anyone in the LGBTQ community, you would be wrong.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          2 years ago

          outfield,

          well said.
          I, like you, will not belabor the point like many other on here.

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      • outinleftfield

        2 years ago

        Hunter has ruined his legacy and not sure he would be a good PR fit for any team. He has said he wants to work in baseball but has not gotten a single interview or job offer.

        freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2014/10/30/torii…

        deadspin.com/torii-hunter-doubles-down-on-his-anti…

        forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2015/10/27/torii-hunte…

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    • Sid Bream Speed Demon

      2 years ago

      Who cares? Other than your feelings, anyway.

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    • radhippo

      2 years ago

      But a world better than Salmon! Anyone but Salmon!!

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  6. EasternLeagueVeteran

    2 years ago

    If they are considering 67 yo Ron Roenicke, why not consider DeMarlo Hale (61) or Tony DeFrancesco (60)? Both are former successful minor league managers who have also been big league bench coaches, Hale most recently with the Indians and DeFrancesco with the Mets and Astros.

    Maybe I am partial to former Eastern League ballplayers, and am rooting for Torey Lovullo to win the WS.

    Tough EL weather, tough minor league travel, tough years making tough decisions make for tough managers.

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    • I.M. Insane

      2 years ago

      Unless he’s been really picky, nobody hiring Hale baffles me. The guy knows the game and should have been a manager a decade ago or more.

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      • westcasey

        2 years ago

        I agree. Hale seems like a very good baseball man, respected and experienced. He certainly deserves an opportunity based on his collective attributes. I would like to see him get the position with the Angels.

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  7. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 years ago

    Astros were all ready to hire someone today. But they realized they weren’t world serious and decided to kick the can down the road

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      2024 might be their last hurrah

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  8. Angels & NL West

    2 years ago

    I hope Buck gets the job and Arte lets the grown-ups run the club.

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  9. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 years ago

    Seems like a no lose situation.

    Get MLB level experience. If you win you’re a genius. If not, the entire baseball world blames the bad owner.

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  10. Rexhudler86

    2 years ago

    Wouldn’t surprise me if it goes to Gil, wouldn’t mind kapler his teams out performed the talent on his roster.

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    • I.M. Insane

      2 years ago

      Gil or Kapler would be awful. Roenicke is a little too old.

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      • Rexhudler86

        2 years ago

        Who would you suggest? Gil did a good job with Mexico in the wbc. Not sure if there’s many candidates out there

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        • User 2079935927

          2 years ago

          Why do people use a 4 games of the WBC as measuring stick?
          All he was great in the WBC!!! Yeah let’s hire him. WTF?

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        • Rexhudler86

          2 years ago

          He’s been a coach in the minors as well, it’s the same as using been a manager 20+ years measuring stick. What about La Russa he did a great job for the white Sox. A lot of managers have been hired with no experience.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          Mexico played 6 games in the WBC, winning 4 of them and was eliminated by the eventual champions.

          Benji managed in the minors, in the Olympics in 2021, and for 7 seasons the Caribbean league. He has won the Mexican Pacific (Winter) League 4 times in his 7 year managing career. I believe he is the winningest manager in the Mexican Pacific League history.

          Benji deserves a shot. I just don’t think Moreno is smart enough to allow his GM to hire him. He wants a name that fans recognize.

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  11. Rsox

    2 years ago

    Erstad is interesting, the rest of this field is very uninspiring. Just go with Buck, he actually wants the job and is a proven big league manager

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    • i like al conin

      2 years ago

      They already had that in Joe Madden. That being said, good luck to them attracting Ohtani and top free agents hiring someone who’s never managed before. That’ll send a clear signal.

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      • Rsox

        2 years ago

        “Uncle Joe” wears very thin, very quickly, especially with a veteran roster. Buck and Joe Maddon are not the same

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      • refereemn77

        2 years ago

        They can’t afford Ohtani anyway.

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  12. aragon

    2 years ago

    Sell the team, Arte!

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  13. Freespool

    2 years ago

    The Angels are a complete mess. Arte Moreno has taken the team from a world series winner in 2002 to buying the team in 2003 and making them the worst run franchise in professional sports. Yes, he does dole out big contracts (Pujold, Hamilton, Trout, Rendon), but that is all he does on the positive side.

    How he has systematically destroyed the team:
    Treats minor leaguers like second class citizens – so much so that a bunch of them complained and the Angels finally made changes
    Cut player development
    Cut scouting – The Angels’ prospects rarely pan out
    Worst spring training facility
    Refused to trade Ohtani at the deadline for multiple prospects to build for the future (All Moreno cares about are current ticket sales)
    Refuses to rebuild and keeps the Angels trapped in mediocrity

    Angel fans are partly to blame. All Moreno understands is MONEY. Fans keep attending the games (Angels are always in top 3 for attendance despite being habitually non-competitive). Angel fans need to stop attending games and revenues will decrease. Until then it will remain he same.

    Moreno keeps changing over GM’s, Managers and coaches. The problem is systemic and cannot be fixed under his ownership. He needs to sell the team so a real baseball team can be built. Until then the Angels will continue to be boys trying to compete with grown men.

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    • chalk73

      2 years ago

      You have some valid points but the “worst run franchise in professional sports”? Not even the worst run franchise in baseball. Baseball has a lot of problems and Arte isn’t the biggest one.

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      • Halo11Fan

        2 years ago

        Chalk, people love hyperbole. Except the Angels, No team in baseball has not lost 100, the Angles have never lost more than 95.

        Nuts think this is the worst run team in sports.

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    • SeibuLionsNPB

      2 years ago

      I wouldn’t say the Angels prospects rarely pan out. The only recent prospect who didn’t pan out is Adell. The other players they have brought up (some rather quickly) have made contributions to the big league club. Most of their pitchers were drafted and developed in their system and Neto, Schanuel, etc. Helped cover some injuries this year. Now panning out means over the course of their career and it is still early, but these players have stepped up and took major league roster spots.

      The real problem is that the players seem often overrated or under perform once they are brought up. That could be more about the players than management, but if they weren’t so rushed, they might have better results. The last couple years they have felt the pressure knowing they only had Ohtani for so long. So they rushed some prospects and had some bad injury luck. But overall I would say the Angels get a lot of hate about drafting that is unwarranted. They are drafting players that make the majors pretty successfully, they just are not having on field results like other teams. I wouldn’t necessarily say they are right or wrong, but a desire to compete and win doesn’t make them the worst run organization. Atleast they are trying to field a competitive team. They just need better results. It wouldn’t surprise me in a couple years if they didn’t start winning more without Ohtani honestly. Once the Rendon contract goes away and they can spread the money out better, they might have better results from their homegrown players.

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      • Halo11Fan

        2 years ago

        Don’t bury Adell yet. It took Ward awhile, sometimes it takes awhile.

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        • SeibuLionsNPB

          2 years ago

          I’m not burying adell just that he was hyped as the next big thing and hasn’t backed up that hype thus far. I am not an Angels fan so I don’t know their complete transaction to date history, but saying they have produced no homegrown stars even internationally is a bit of a stretch. They have had players that they have signed that have been solid players just not star level compared to other teams. Most of their current roster has been drafted by the team so even if they are not stars they have developed role players through their minors transactions and drafts.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          He has serious bat to ball and plate awareness issues.

          I don’t believe in him anymore. But crazier things have happened. Adolis Garcia for example.

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        • User 2079935927

          2 years ago

          He wasn’t hyped as the next big thing. The Angels brought him up at a very young age. Thus fans expectcted him to be another Trout. The media never hyped him.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        2 years ago

        They don’t graduate any youngsters because they don’t have any adequate player development or coaching resources in the minors. That’s why they pick guys who are already coached up & basically ready to go. Moreno runs a bare bones operation.

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        • chalk73

          2 years ago

          Any? Andy Schatzley at Rocket City is more than adequate.

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      • Freespool

        2 years ago

        Wow, you don’t know the Angels very well. Here is a snippet from a well written article in the LA Times. I would be interested to hear your thoughts AFTER reading this article…….

        Yes, worst run franchise in professional sports…….

        The Angels have not produced a homegrown star through the draft in 12 years. Their last front-line regular acquired as an international amateur was shortstop Erick Aybar, who signed in 2002 and last played for the Angels in 2015.

        Here is the article in its entirety so you can see the entire depth of the Arte Moreno ownership debacle……

        latimes.com/sports/angels/story/2022-08-23/angels-…

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 years ago

          Home grown star. Their highest pick this century has was Bachman.

          When you don’t have a top ten pick, it’s hard to draft stars.

          Stars….give me a break. That’s your definition. You people are crazy.

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      • aragon

        2 years ago

        The team called him up when it was going nowhere. everyone was trying to hit homeruns. With proper coaching he can be a high average, high obp hitter with some power. It is just powe and strikeouts now. Sad!

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      Refused to trade Ohtani at the deadline for multiple prospects to build for the future
      ===========================
      I suggested that the Angels trade Trout two years ago, and the Angels were kind of unanimous that they should definitely not trade him.

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  14. archangel57

    2 years ago

    IMO, Arte just needs to hire Ng as President of Operations given her experience. In that in only 2 years, she built the Marlins into contenders &, adeptly, picked the right manager to do the job as well. So…yes Arte, show everyone you are serious by putting competent BB people in charge & allow her to convince Ohtani to stay & to hold Perry more accountable. As despite drafting some players that show promise & making some organizational tweaks behind the scenes, Perry (going into this 4th year as GM) simply hasn’t done enough of the right things to help this team to compete nor contend. Not to mention the questionable decisions he made at the trade deadline (which then lead to an emabarrassing sell-off) that left many wondering WTF?

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      Gonna go out on a limb and assume Moreno is “old school” when it comes to adequate gender representation in the front office & likely would never hire a woman in a GM role. He just seems waaay traditional to me.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      Not so sure Ng “built” the Marlins into playoff contenders if you read articles that actually appeared on ML Traderumors…..not to say she’s inept, but too say she built them into contenders is to ignore the player mistakes she also made while getting some player moves correct…….luck does play into success too……..

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        Their Py W/L v payroll over the last few years:

        70-$89
        72-$82
        70-$114
        75-$129

        They are about 50% more expensive than two years ago, with 3 more wins.

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  15. seth3120

    2 years ago

    If your counting on Rendon returning to form with or without injury thats a bad sign

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  16. mikesciosciastragicillness

    2 years ago

    Don Mattingly?

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  17. User 2976510776

    2 years ago

    The Angels are living in the past. Will they get over the 2002 team already? We get it they won. But baseball is totally different now. When they brought all the 02 people last year to spring how did that work out? And they did bring in Hunter too eventhough he wasn’t part. So Moreno absolutely runs which players get invited around or who gets dissed like a Weaver or even a Rod Carew. These favorites that he plays are embarrassing. The Diamond Backs last won in 2001. But they don’t seem to re-live the 01 championship like the Angels do the 02 championship. They blew it by having Nevin coach last year. They could have had a pick of great managers with Ohtani coming into his last year and some hope but they stuck w Nevin.

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    • chalk73

      2 years ago

      I guess you never heard of the Yankees touting 27 Wor

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    • chalk73

      2 years ago

      I guess you never heard of the Yankees touting 27 World Series.

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  18. Osuarez24

    2 years ago

    Give Benji Gil this opportunity, he’s won everywhere he’s managed, knows the organization, is bilingual and was one good closer away from winning the WBC. Has paid his dues

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      Came here to say this. Massive experience coaching Mexican League & World Baseball Classic. Players go all out for him.

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  19. Rexhudler86

    2 years ago

    Do we have anyone that speaks Spanish? I guess Rendon, but he only plays 30 games.

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  20. Halo11Fan

    2 years ago

    Minasian is in over his head and I think Showalter is the one that is most likely to have influence over how he builds a roster.

    So I’m rooting for Buck.

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    • aragon

      2 years ago

      Mina wants his own puppet. I doubt Buck gets the job.

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  21. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    2 years ago

    Chris Woodward

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  22. Rexhudler86

    2 years ago

    Would that be another maddon situation, I feel like Buck wouldn’t take any crap, maybe have some tension with minasian, and Arte meddling with the team. Definitely one of the better choices, and perry is probably on his way out soon.

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  23. outinleftfield

    2 years ago

    Depends on the direction Arte is taking. Is he tanking to build up the farm, lower payroll as much as possible and sell the team? Then Roenicke. Is Arte going to let Minasian do his job and give him a decent payroll? Then Showalter.

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    • aragon

      2 years ago

      He is tanking but he is unable to build up the farm.

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  24. Reuven

    2 years ago

    The idea of Salmon managing Trout feels kinda fishy to me.

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    • acoss13

      2 years ago

      Excellent observation you get a like!

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    • radhippo

      2 years ago

      It’s flat out disgusting!! Hiring Salmon would be the worst thing in franchise history!!

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  25. User 3617846742

    2 years ago

    Angels should look at Aaron Boone, Boone grew up in Orange County…..He knows how work with the front office too. Come to think of it, they can also bring Cashman and he can do mountain climbing on the Matterhorn at Disneyland.

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  26. waldfee

    2 years ago

    Let Arte himself manage the team. How bad could he possibly be… the Angels missing the postseason?

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  27. Teamspirit

    2 years ago

    I’d love to see Benji Gil as the manager of the Angels. He’s smart, the players love him and he’s had experience managing in Mexico.

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  28. orange2001

    2 years ago

    Surprised no one has brought up Dino Ebel as a potential managerial candidate.

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  29. radhippo

    2 years ago

    If Salmon is hired as head coach, my lifelong days as an Angels fan is over!!
    DO NOT HIRE SALMON UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!!!

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