Padres manager Bob Melvin has been given permission by the team to interview with the Giants about their managerial vacancy, according to The Athletic’s Dennis Lin and Andrew Baggarly. “Melvin has emerged as the favorite in San Francisco, with league sources indicating that he received assurances he would be a top candidate before he agreed to participate in the interview process,” Lin and Baggarly write.
Reports surfaced two days ago that the Giants were temporarily halting their search for a new manager while waiting to hear back from rival teams for their go-ahead to interview employees. Melvin was chief among this new group of candidates, and it could very well be that the Giants were specifically waiting on the Padres on whether or not Melvin would be allowed to speak with the division rival. Melvin is still under contract with San Diego through the end of the 2024 season, though rumors have swirled for months about Melvin’s future with the club and his relationship with president of baseball operations A.J. Preller.
By this point, it would seem like an upset if Melvin doesn’t end up as San Francisco’s next manager. While the official interview has yet to take place, Melvin and Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi are quite familiar with each other — Melvin was the Athletics’ manager when Zaidi began his baseball career in Oakland’s front office over a decade ago. Lin and Baggarly note that it could create an even more awkward situation between Melvin and Preller if Melvin didn’t end up getting the Giants job, so perhaps regardless of what happens with the San Francisco interview, Melvin might not be back as the Padres’ skipper in 2024.
Back in September, Lin and Ken Rosenthal delved into the internal issues that have plagued the Padres organization even before their disappointing 2023 season. Chief among these problems is the allegedly frosty relationship between Melvin and Preller, though both men have downplayed the idea of any discord. After the Padres finished with only an 82-80 record this season, there was plenty of speculation that either Melvin or both Melvin and Preller could be fired, yet club chairman Peter Seidler gave a full vote of confidence to his management team at season’s end. Preller also stated soon afterward that “Bob is our manager, and he’s going to be our manager going forward,” seemingly putting the matter to rest.
However, many pundits felt a parting was coming sooner rather than the later, especially when the Giants’ managerial position became open after Gabe Kapler was fired. The past ties between Melvin and Zaidi made the veteran skipper a logical candidate from day one, assuming the hurdle of the Padres’ clearance for an interview could be jumped.
It is possible the Padres and Giants might work out a trade to officially send Melvin to the Bay Area, or the Padres might simply see this as an opportunity for a fresh start. Melvin leaving for another job rather than being fired, as Baggarly and Lin note, would save the Padres the $4MM owed to the manager in salary for the 2024 season. This tracks with the Padres’ overall plan to cut costs next season, ranging from both internal financial matters like a manager’s salary to player payroll.
If Melvin was to be hired by the Giants, San Diego would suddenly be in need of a new manager, though Lin and Baggarly cite bench coach Ryan Flaherty and coach Mike Shildt as possible candidates to take over the job. Best known for his days as an Orioles utilityman, Flaherty has been on the Padres’ coaching staff for the last four seasons, and was promoted to bench coach prior to the 2023 campaign. Prior to hiring Melvin, Preller’s previous two managerial hires were Andy Green and Jayce Tingler, who (like Flaherty) had never managed at the MLB level.
On the other hand, Shildt is a former skipper, managing the Cardinals from 2018-2021 and leading the club to postseason appearances in the last three of those seasons. Shildt was rather surprisingly fired after the 2021 season due to what Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak described as “philosophical differences,” and the Padres then interviewed Shildt for the managerial vacancy that was eventually filled by Melvin. San Diego ended up hiring Shildt anyway that winter for a player development position, and he moved into a coaching role this past season.
Get ‘em then.
Hope the padres hire someone like Ozzie guillen. Really embrace turning this team into a circus.
Nope, they’ll hire Nevin.
The Giants would be smart to further sink the Padres’ chemistry by interviewing and not hiring Melvin. The best way to run a circus is to take it to someone’s town.
That being said, I hope someone hires Alex Avila to coach. He has baseball manager DNA. He would be especially good in San Fran where they need a culture shift away from rahrah fan boy coaching.
Melvin is no longer the Padres manager. Either he is the Giants manager in 2024 or he is unemployed.
He’ll still be paid by the Padres if he’s unemployed.
He will still NOT be the Padres manager.
I vote Guillen. And I hope he shows up dressed in green military garb smoking a cigar.
You can hire Oliver Marmol away from the Cardinals for that? Not even have to bring a veteran out of retirement?
Bobby Valentine for bench coach
The Padres next manager will be their 5th manager since 2019. Could it be that it’s not the manager’s fault?
Know what hasn’t changed? The GM… yet ownership keeps letting him go out and destroy the farm system, spend aimlessly and underperform..
But yea, let’s keep firing managers!
Big mistake. Let AJ go, not Bob. AJ will hire yet another “yes man”.
Padres are a mess
Everyone praised them for spending soooo much money but in the end, they’re basically the Mets. Both spent so much and found failure.
At least the Mets knew when to change course. The Padres doubled down, even when it was apparent their ship had huge holes and so did their lineup.
What holes did they have in the lineup? Nola got beaned in spring training. Campusano was injured. Grisham was a known entity. Great defense. Bad offense. The Padres pitching was exceptional. So what were the holes?
Playing winning baseball was the biggest hole.
People didn’t say that last year. The tide has turned. But I agree with you. I knew their window would be small by the amount of money they were spending.
To start the season the Padres had less holes than any team that is currently in an LCS.
MAB that is your way of saying you know so little about the Padres that you can’t say what the holes were, if any.
Judgment, your anti-Mets is showing. Cohen spent big to make a statement and in 22 it worked. In 23, it didn’t but since Cohen doesn’t care about the money, they reinforced their system at the deadline. Boy has the game changed. Fifty years ago, Bowie Kuhn set ab integrity standard that today’s owners and commissioner only see in dollar signs. Too bad, a strong message could have been sent. It will only get worse…
I actually like the Mets, so I’m sorry if you implied elsewhere. I’m a Red Sox fan too. I just don’t like how the Mets are throwing money at players and hoping it sticks. I would rather see them in the playoffs than the Braves or Phillies to be honest.
I didn’t mean “really” but I do wish the Mets over the Yankees. I just have Judge’s logo because I think it’s funny.
Padres should run it back one more time before breaking things up. Too many times they were on the wrong side of a one run or extra inning game.
That being said, I’d be happy to have Melvin manage the Giants.
Next Padres Manager: Mike Schildt, make it happen!!!
Melvin was so good at making a managerial move one AB too late
Why would anyone go to SF Giants The POB Is In last year of his deal.
In San Diego their POB has a few more years on his deal.
If Bob M make the biggest of his life like to see Buck S get the job In SD
Melvin is from here; has deep roots here. This is Melvin’s dream job, dynastic drama notwithstanding.
Buck is hated in SD, mostly for his behaviour with the Musgrove ears playoff thing. The fans would run him out of town before Spring training was done.
I guess if you’re soft you’d hate Buck (not literally you- I mean fans mentioned). Sure it was annoying as a Padres fan to see the ear incident, but Buck ain’t afraid of superstar egos. Also Manny had praised him before. I wouldn’t be e surprised to see Buck brought in.
@Logistics Guy: I’m with you. Unless SF makes the postseason next year, Zaidi and whoever the manager is are gone. The team is more than just a free agent or two away from that. It’s a big risk taking the manager job right now, and I don’t know why Melvin would chance that unless he’s is desperate to get out of SD.
That would fit for Melvin. The Athletic had an article saying that when he was hired by the Padres that 2024 would be his final season as a manager.
Scottn59c, I wouldn’t be so sure that Zaidi is under some ‘produce or you’re gone’ mandate. I’ve seen this several times, like the disgruntled fans make that decision.
In the 30 years since this ownership group took over, they’ve had only 4 different managers, and 4 different GMs/PBOs.. They like stability, and unless 2024 is an utter disaster, my guess is Zaidi will be extended.
Jean, you could be right, of course, but I feel like there’s more of a sense of urgency this year. In the wake of Kapler’s firing, you can feel how the tide has turned against Zaidi. If a new manager fails to do any better than Kapler did, then there’s going to be an even greater sense that they sacked the wrong guy.
Scott, You may be right, but I think that sense of the tide turning is more about the fans than those running the team. There are extenuating circumstances to consider for failed seasons that some fans have no patience with. Those on the inside, who were probably part of any decision making, are probably a bit more understanding than those with a zero-sum outlook.
Buck has no shot at getting the job in San Diego. His actions with Musgrove pretty much ruled out any chance of getting that job. The Padres were pretty set on hiring Flaherty before Melvin became available. He seems like the logical choice now.
Either Shildt or Flaherty.
Many reasons. I believe Melvin only has one year on his contract remaining anyway so he could potentially get more guaranteed years in SF.
On top of that, Preller might have more years on his contract but you have to imagine the patience is running out. If San Diego has another poor year there is a very real possibility that he is canned.
Padres will announce their new manager in the next couple of weeks and its probably going to be an internal candidate. Either Shildt or Flaherty.
This is really not a tough call…Shildt has the major league manager experience and was AJ’s guy in the clubhouse and AJ hedged his bet by bringing Shildt to SD and Flaherty has never been a manager and was Melvins guy. The Padres already did the “new guy-no experience” thing…Andy Green was a flat out disaster and the moment was just too big for Jayce Tigler.
My guess is Mike Shildt.
Flaherty will leave and be replaced by Phil Nevin as bench coach.
Phil Nevin would be a hedge bet in case Shildt drove into a ditch or imploded but I don’t think Phil and AJ would work well together.as manager/gm long term.
Y’all have a great day
or in the ultimate money-where-your-mouth-is moment, they bring in Acee to lead the team in 24
These are the droids we’ve been looking for
Ok that’s it. We got our guy.
Padres had as much talent as anyone but allowed a loose cannon GM to destroy their window. Absolutely pathetic a guy with ZERO 90 win seasons since he took over in 2015 is never held accountable. Let him pick his 5th manager!
Padres fire sale coming??
Not at all. Do not be surprised when they extend Soto and sign several top FA including Lee from Korea. Seidler is committed to winning.
Yep. The Bally’s mess screwed them.
The Padres revenue increased in 2023. It is now in the top half of MLB and they are revenue sharing payors, not receivers. MLB paid the Padres 80% of the one payment that DSG defaulted on. They are seen on every outlet they were on when DSG held 80% of their broadcast rights and now the Padres hold 100%. That started the day after the DSG bankruptcy. They made between $27-$30 million off single game MLB.tv packages alone. That you still think they were hurt by the DSG bankruptcy is ludicrous.
Yet it is obvious they are cutting costs. There are trees in that forest if you look.
How exactly are they cutting costs? It’s not the offseason yet, so no one has any clue what the Padres will or won’t do except Seidler. He said they will have a payroll around what it was in 2023.
How tired do you get of being wrong all the time?
Go ahead and enjoy those blinders while you can.
Manny to the Yankees…Soto back to NL East Philly or Mets…. Darvish to the Rangers… Hader and Snell free agents. Tatis and his clown show gone
Soto isn’t going to the Mets
Lmfao. You are hilarious. Machado and Soto were among a group of players that Seidler met with before allowing Melvin to interview with the Giants. He is not planning to allow them to be traded if he asked their opinion before allowing Melvin to walk away.
Seidler is one of those owners that wants to know what the players think, especially ones he has invested heavily in or is planning to invest heavily in.
Seidler said the team is staying the course. That would indicate to me that he is not thinking about trading any of those players he signed long term away.
Soto is being shopped. Many articles in the sports media about it.
Nope. No articles in fact. So once again calling BS on your claim.
LMFAO!
Get over yourself.
Who made you the the expert on the sports media
enough so that you can dismiss reliable sources and sports journalists
who do this for a living and have, repeatedly put out factual, accurate info that directly conflicts with “your take” on the “facts’?!
Don’t forget this clown AJ fired Buddy half way into the first disastrous 2015 season he put together. so he’s going on his10th season as GM with one successful season and ownerships cool with that… who wouldn’t want an employer like that.
If you are familiar with the Padres, then you know that Fowler asked Preller to make a splash in 2014-2015. They had just bought the team 2 years earlier and ticket sales were lagging.
Preller did so and ticket sales went up 400k for 2015
When it didn’t work in terms of creating a winning team, Preller asked for and was given the leeway to execute his long-term plan with a goal to contend by 2021. He succeeded.
Along the way he built up a tremendous baseball operations with outstanding scouting, top line analytics staff, and one of the best farm systems in the game.
The Padres had record attendance in 2023 and 2024 season tickets are already sold out. Even with record spending, Padres revenue has skyrocketed into the top 14 in the game with Preller at the helm of baseball operations and according to Erik Greupner, the Padres CEO, the team made money in 2023. Never forget that baseball is a business.
We’ll have to dig even deeper to sustain our season tics next year at Petco. Fortunately my wife can afford them.
We had to make that call back in mid September when renewals were due. They are costing a bit more, but still a great value compared to other places. If you didn’t renew, you probably are not going to get season tickets in 2024. We put in to get 2 extra seats if they come available, but were told we were well down the list of people that wanted more seats even with over 30 years of seniority.
We renewed in Sept, same group of seats for 12th year in a row now.
Articles and news stories out there documenting, long time season ticket holders rejecting renewals because of the ’23 bad season and the price rises across the board for attending and enjoying Padres games.
Signing a bunch of expensive free agents is leading to price hikes across the board in many areas of the game attendance experience.
And the price of homes is through the roof
Season tickets are sold out for 2024. You CAN get on a wait list though.
mlb.com/padres/tickets/season-tickets/waitlist
Even SD Media News Stories about some season ticket holders not renewing after decades of loyalty to the Padres.
“Padres Permit Melvin Graceful Exit”
Fixed it for you.
So Preller gets off the hook and gets to hire his 45th manager.
What a joke.
Melvin was a great Manager in Oakland, AZ and other stops.
Some of his challenges in San Diego include a Pres of Baseball Ops
who has a bad reputation of being too hands on, hard to get along with,
bad at roster construction and trades and more.
He brags about working 24/7 365.
Most grown ups with families and a life do not want that kind of
a “burnout” schedule.
AJ needs to loosen his tie and get a life!
Melvin is the perfect hire for a young team to come together. Theyll need to hire again when it congeals into a winner tho.
If they don’t fix the roster, no manager will save them. Read article on Dubón on mlb app;
Under-the-radar 2022 trade paying off for Astros in a big way
12:12 PM AST
Brian McTaggart
“Dubón, who was traded for Minor League catcher Michael Papierski, said getting dealt from the Giants saved his career. He felt underappreciated and underutilized in San Francisco, where he played in 177 games from 2019-22. “ — Things like this happened in the past. Not only with Farhan, but also before him. The owners are the ones that really messed up. No change in mentality, more of the same.
Bochy 2.0
Bochy is one of the best playoff managers of all time. Melvin is perhaps one of the five worst. Both good guys tho.
Like this Rangers team is pretty mid but lo and behold theyre two wins away from a WS berth.
He’ll need two more after San Francisco to get California manager bingo.
From everything I have been reading Melvin left the actual managing of the team to Flaherty and Christenson.
Him leaving wouldn’t change much if that is the case.
Padres are a garbage-time team. They’re lucky the Rockies are in their division.
Since they finished ahead of the Giants in the standings, I guess they are lucky the Giants are in their division too.
ouch
Had Dave Roberts. Had Skip Schumaker. What about Matt Williams? Nobody mentions him.
And with good reason. Matt was a great player; he’d be a terrible manager—too much the “The Old Marine.”
William’s has already been a manager; was the NL Manager Of The Year in ’14 actually (even if his tenure ended in a whimper).
Another bad look for the Padres.
Shildt gets another shot. He might be the ***kicker they need.
Part of the problem is that San Diego is a very laid back city and that is the case with the Padres…Melvin would have been crucified by the press if he had this roster in another city…New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia etc but he got a pass in San Diego…he was very laid back.
People say the Padres don’t have a winning culture and Shildt would hold players accountable for lack of hustle, failure to play situational baseball and the whole diva thing that some of the players have…too many players don’t play for the name on the front of the jersey but the name on the back.
I think that if Shildt is the next manager the players would show some grit and grind.
I think it’s funny that people think a hard nosed manager can motivate people who are guaranteed hundreds of millions of dollars. You really need those people to be self motivated. It’s not like you can get results by rattling their cages or making threats. You go right ahead and bench Machado and see what happens to you.
It isn’t about motivation. Every player that got to the majors has incredible self-motivation. Its about creating a culture of family, work ethic, accountability, and discipline. A commitment to your teammates and to the fundamentals of the game. You don’t need to be hard-nosed to accomplish that. You have to be involved. Approachable. Relatable.
Melvin never did any of that. He said that he was taking a “hands-off approach” to managing the Padres. He allowed the players to make the basic decisions like if they would practice or how they should approach an at bat. He didn’t hold players accountable. We know those last 3 things because players said so during the season.
He abdicated his responsibility as a manager. Why he did that is up for debate, but the fact that he did it is not.
When he did make in game decisions fans were often left shaking their heads. Bringing in a lefty to face 2 straight RHB in extra innings or not pinch hitting in a close game for a guy like Grisham or Odor when the platoon advantage was against them. Those are just a couple of the examples.
They had too much talent to only win 82 games and I put that mostly on the players, but in my 54 years watching the Pads I’ve never seen a manager so scripted and outmaneuvered regularly. Especially by Kapler, ironically.
I dig Bo Mel but you can’t come back from this. Let him go…
Now the Giants are getting down to interviews of people they really have an interest in hiring. Everything before this was simply hoop jumping.
It is very unusual and telling that an employee is seeking and being given permission to interview for a lateral move. Normally there’s a potential promotion.
Not that uncommon for Melvin considering the same thing happened two years ago.
Very telling that 2 teams have now allowed Melvin to leave.
Wow… That is not the move to make. Guess the Padres will hire another puppet for AJ Preller and they’ll have yet another losing season.
Gee……
I read dozens of posts here the past month or so condemning Kevin Acee, the baseball writer at the ‘The San Diego Union-Tribune’ that covers the Padres for sowing discord.
The posters alleged that Mr. Acee made up a bunch of stuff regarding the Padres, Preller, and Melvin. Owner Peter Seidler released a statement that he was happy with both, wanted to retain both, and that there was only some minor discord between parties that could easily be smoothed out. Shortly thereafter he said it was smoothed out.
Ah-HA! Now it appears that the smoothed out manager wants to interview with another franchise, and that it’s fine by the Padres Baseball Ops guy and Owner.
The Padres aren’t an MLB baseball franchise trying to win. They’re ‘The Kardashians’. Make enough juicy moves and the locals are checking their smartphones multiple times a day to see what goodies Mama Seidler is having AJ bring in. And don’t laugh – the Padres finished 3rd in MLB attendance…same as they did in the 5 team NL West.
From this day forward, my posts on the Padres well be prefaced with:
‘Keeping Up With The Padres’.
@ Samuel. Haha, nice try there. My issue with Acee wasn’t about Melvin v. Preller, it was his attack on some players as not being leaders, despite all the players coming out to defend those players as great leaders. If you’ve ever played on a sports team, you’d probably understand that reality lies in what the players openly say, not in single reporters mythical opinion. To trust a reporter in such a claim is to fall sucker up to click bait.
Ultimately the failure of the team to reach playoffs is on the players. But Melvin didn’t seem to be able to handle managing star players and the stress of high expectations, he didn’t have the balls to make decisions like having Hader pitch the heart of an opposing team’s lineup in the 8th inning for fear or upsetting Hader. His conservative, no risk style cost them a lot of games. None of the players complained. Preller isn’t on record as complaining, but Melvin wasn’t comfortable. So he’ll go somewhere else and try to find that easy niche.
The Giants need someone better. Melvin, a former player with nearly 20 years as an MLB manager, couldn’t get his roster of superstars to play as a team. Giants have far less talented players than SD. I don’t see Melvin doing more with less.
couldn’t get his roster of superstars to play as a team.
===========================
I hear that once in a while, but baseball isn’t really much of a team sport. This is not like FB with a WR picking up downfield blocks, or a RB picking up a blitz.
He did more with less while with the A’s and Diamondbacks. I also think the Padres shouldn’t have fired Bud Black when they did but that’s obviously a different matter. On a side note let’s hope my Giants don’t announce a press conference to announce him as manager before Melvin’s leg x-ray results have already been looked at.
Padres already have a better manager in the system in Mike Shildt so it’s kind of like “here you can have him”.
Here’s the deal, he gets the job with the Giants, or steps down as the Padres manager.
I’m disappointed in his tenure with the Padres. In fact, we are better off without him
He isn’t stepping down from anything.
Mike Schmidt is awesome
I’ve been saying it all year, Melvin just needs another chance with a much worse roster if he’s ever going to win.
Shildt will make agreat manager.
Good move by the Padres to make a trade rather than just canning Melvin.
Let’s hope we’re not reading next year at this time about Schildt not being the right guy as has happened with the Padres numerous times recently. Also, they had less talent last year and made the LCS. Wonder who the manager was.
Just a few things I have gleaned in conversations with people I know in the organization and working in other FO.
Bob Melvin asked to leave the Padres. He will not be returning even if he does not get the Giants job. Matt Wiliams has been given permission to leave as well even though he is under contract for 2024. There has been no word about Ryan Christenson who is also under contract through 2024.
The Padres are expected to announce a new manager by the end of the WS. Most believe it’s an internal candidate. My guess is Flaherty or Shildt with the one not hired to be manager as his bench coach.
Prior to giving permission for Melvin to interview with the Giants, the Padres consulted with several Padres players and coaches regarding Melvin. Among the players, Machado, Soto, and Darvish are players known to have been part of those meetings. I was surprised that Soto was one of the players since he is a FA after the 2024 season.
Former A’s bullpen coach and former Padres El Paso Chihuahuas coach Mike McCarthy is expected by many to be brought on in some capacity with the Padres at the major league level.
Nice work.
Sounds divided.
He’s lying. He doesn’t know anyone in the Padres org or other FO’s. He makes the same claims over and over again from like 6 different accounts.
What he said about Melvin leaving for SF and probably being replaced by Flaherty or Shildt has already been widely reported elsewhere.
Great info. Thanks.
My money would be on Shildt. He and Preller seem to have a great working relationship and he is old-school about work ethic and fundamentals. Shildt also comes from the same scouting background that Preller did.
McCArthy is articulate and was well liked by pitchers in El Paso as far as I could tell. Who will be leaving the Padres MLB staff to make room for him? Hopefully not Niebla or Fritz. I really like both of them.
I have not heard that anyone is leaving other than Melvin and Williams. Christenson may follow his mentor to the Giants as well, but not if Williams is the bench coach as many are speculating.
I for one would be OK with Mike Shildt as manager. His success with the Cardinals speaks volumes. He is popular with the the players and an above-average development guy. Filling in for Matt Williams during the early part of the season helped at a critical time for the Padres.
He didn’t deserve what happened to him at the end in St Louis and the fact that the Cardinals have been a dumpster fire since he left speaks volumes.
Shildt did a great job with the Cardinals and was thrown over board
in some sort of power struggle in St Loius.
Even if they hire Schildt,
I don’t trust Preller, his trades
and his poor roster construction.
The Soto deal will haunt the Padres for a long time.
The Padres got hosed on that deal.
And, it will become obvious to all when those former Padres farmhands
become the core of the next Nats playoffs team.
@websoulsurfer Nobody believes your stories about knowing/speaking with people in the Padres organization and other FO.
BUCK SHOWATER
Just. No. No team should want old man Buck anymore. He has always hated young players.
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to just keep Bochy? (make no mistake, him leaving wasn’t his choice)
Think about this, when Bochy gets into Cooperstown, he will be wearing a ‘SF’ on his hat and not an ‘SD’ though he remains one of the winningest managers in Padres history.
Bochy left in 2006. Long before the current ownership of FO was in place.
It was only after he left the Padres that Bochy found an ownership, front office and roster all aligned to a commitment to win championships. Three rings more than he was equipped to win in San Diego.
He went from bottom 3 payrolls to top 10 payrolls. He went from shoot from the hip Kevin Towers to Brian Sabean who was on the leading edge of analytics and advanced statistical analysis.
In San Diego he was in for more of the same. In San Francisco he was finally given consistently good payrolls and data.
Kevin Towers was a great GM.
He was hired and trained by Larry Lucchino.
Larry Lucchino was Pres of Baseball Ops
before he went back to Boston to build teams that
won multiple World Series Titles.
INTERNS in the Padres Front Office at the time included:
a young Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer (now with Cubs).
Padres problem at the time was that they did not spend enough money on their payroll.
We saw what Bochy did in San Diego on a shoestring budget
and then with the Giants who spent much more money on filling and retaining talent on their roster.
Kevin Towers was a good GM that was given little in resources for most of his tenure with the Padres. He was a shoot from the hip kind of GM. He made decisions based on gut instinct and HE said so in multiple interviews. He worked for the Padres since 1989 when he started as a scout in his post playing days. After a couple seasons with the Pirates he returned to the Padres and never left again working his way up to GM. He was promoted from scouting director to GM by John Moores in 1996. .
Epstein was the director of player development with the Padres. He was an intern with the Orioles and followed Lucchino to the Padres. He worked his way up to become the team’s director of baseball operations before leaving for the Red Sox.
Hoyer was never an intern for the Padres either. He WAS the Padres GM.
Lucchino kept his nose out of baseball operations in San Diego. His main focus and the reason Moores brought him on was the spearhead the new stadium.
Also keep in mind that all 3 WS titles won were with much less talent by far compared to the Pads this year. The Giants had no ego issues and the chemistry/clubhouse was excellent. These qualities are critical to having a great team. No manager can change egos of the best players on the team. You either buy in or you don’t. I honestly think this was overlooked in building the Pads for this year. They have their biggest contracts tied up in a couple huge me first contracts. If a player has an ego issue and massive contract, no one will change their ego. Don’t know if the lack of chemistry will change for awhile. All that said, I think Machado and Tatis are special talents that could really lead this team to some great years if they start tempering their egos.
I know Acee said there was a lack of leadership and that theme has been a talking point ever since, but the players didnt think that. Tatis busted his butt this year and maintained a positive culture, and every player to a tee will tell you that. Soto played hard and played every game. Machado played despite a major injury. Do you need them to also be Winston Churchill? Meanwhile, Melvin snored on the bench.
You are COMPLETELY WRONG ON THE FACTS, AS USUAL.
GOOGLE IT.
This just popped up and I quote word for word.
The way Theo’s brain works, he probably could have done whatever he wanted to do,” says Kevin Towers, the former longtime Padres GM who was running the club when Epstein started full time in baseball in 1995 as an intern in San Diego’s media relations department.
And, you know nothing about Larry Lucchino’s management style
Lucchino was a known micro manager in Front Offices in Baltimore, San Diego and Boston.
He hired inexperienced Front Office Assistant in San Diego Kevin Towers and gave him his first job as a GM when no one knew who he was.
He also allowed Towers to hire Theo as a paid fulltime intern in the Padres front office. Both Towers and Theo “trained” under Pres of Baseball Ops
Larry Lucchino.
Lucchino knew where every pencil pen and pad of paper was in that Padres
Front Office.
That was his “M.O”.
Lucchino was involved in everything in San Diego.
When Towers brought the Ken Caminiti blockbuster deal with the Astros to Lucchino for his review and approval,
Lucchino told him that the Padres needed “more in the deal”.
“Be more aggressive”:
:Towers was quoted as being afraid that the deal was going to blow up and the Astros would back out of the deal if the Padres pushed too hard.
It is all documented in interviews and books from that time period.
But, of course, you think you know better than the actual people who were there and experienced it and were quoted at the time by the professional sports media
LMFAO!
Lucchino’s micromanagement in Boston is what contributed to the the tensions in the Red Sox Front Office.
And, it was one of the major factors that lead Theo to leave for the Cubs.
Theo wanted to prove that he could build a successful Front Office on his own
and win a Title on his own and not under the watchful eye and supervision of l;arry Lucchino..
As I see it, the field manager role for the San Diego Padres had been in a state of persistent churn since AJ Preller was first hired in August 2014. Supposedly, Preller was this generational talent as far as talent evaluation was concerned.
Since being hired, the Padres have made the post-season twice, with zero division titles, zero pennants and zero World Series appearances in nine seasons under Preller. Bob Melvin is the fourth Padres skipper under Preller (not counting interims Dave Roberts, Pat Murphy and Rod Barajas).
So, what is the common denominator here?
It’s far past time for Erik Greupner and Peter Seidler to make a change in the baseball operations side of things and fire Preller. By allowing him to hamstring the team with unsustainable longterm free-agent contracts, they share some of the blame.
The Padres record is what it is for the past nine years and that’s on the players Preller and his staff have acquired. Let’s face it, AJ Preller is not the savant he was made out to be.
Clearly, the Padres are doing a favor in letting Melvin interview (and likely sign on) with the Giants. BoMel is a decent guy and a keen baseball mind, but he never fit the Padres organizational culture and was hamstrung by unrealistic expectations. I do hope that he — like Bruce Bochy and Dave Reports before him — can find sustained success beyond the Padres.
After the order from Fowler to make a splash in the 2015 season didn’t work, Preller pitched a long term plan to ownership to make the playoffs by 2021. His plan worked. It also put the team in the strongest financial position its ever been, increasing revenue into the top half of baseball even though they are in the 28th largest market.
Melvin was not hamstrung by anything other than his hands off managing style. He failed to create the culture the team needed to win. Leaving decisions up to players is 100%? the wrong thing for a manager to do, yet that is what he did as the manager of the Padres.
One of the problems is Preller.
Preller is great at scouting and identifying talent and filling up
your farm system.
Preller is not as good at managing people, assembling championship teams, trades, roster building etc.
A sutil way of getting rid of a employee you don’t want. The way Beane did with Art Howe he let him go to the Mets .
Again, Bochy wanted back into MLB in ’23 as a Manager (bored with golfing and retirement)
Feelers were put out.
Bochy was interested in the Padres Manager job (before Bob Melvin was hired as a consolation prize)
The present Padres Ownership (Peter Seidler) was very interested in rehiring Bruch Bochy
as the Padres New/Old Manager.
The major sticking point was that Bruce Bochy would never work with a micromanaging
Pres of Baseball Ops like AJ Preller.
It was documented in the press with people close to Bruce Bochy
that Bochy would never work with AJ Preller who has a bad reputation with Managers around MLB..
As we can see now and what was obvious to me and many at the time,
Padres Owner
Peter Seidler had to choose between Bruce Bochy and AJ Preller.
And like ex Chargers owner Alex Spanos ,who had the same kind of choice to make
and, admitted later that he fired the wrong guy when he chose
to retain GM Bobby Beathard and fired Head Coach Bobby Ross in a power dispute/clash of Titans, Seidler chose the wrong guy to keep and not to hire Bochy.
Now Bochy, in his 1st year back Managing in MLB is a few games from another World Series and the Padres finished ’23 82-80 far out of the playoffs?!
“ And like ex Chargers owner Alex Spanos ,who had the same kind of choice to make and, admitted later that he fired the wrong guy when he chose to retain GM Bobby Beathard and fired Head Coach Bobby Ross in a power dispute/clash of Titans, Seidler chose the wrong guy to keep and not to hire Bochy.”
Peter Seidler was not managing partner of the Padres when Bochy was let go in 2006. The team was still owned by John Moores and Kevin Towers was GM.
Yes we all know that!
I did not reference Peter Seidler and/or the circumstances of Bruce Bochy leaving the Padres in 2006.
Bochy left the Padres for a better opportunity with a Giants ballclub that was willing to spend whatever it took to win a World Series title,
unlike the Padres ownership at that time.
I was comparing the Chargers situation at that time with Head Coach Bobby Ross who won a National College Football Championship with Georgia
and took the San Diego Chargers to their 1st Super Bowl appearance.
The choice referenced was between then Chargers GM Bobby Beathard and the best Head Coach the Chargers ever had in Bobby Ross
compared to the Padres decision in 2022 to keep AJ Preller and to not REHIRE the Padres winningest manager in franchise history and future Hall of Famer
Bruce Bochy.
It was not a comparison of why Bochy intially left the Padres.
I sometimes wonder if MLBTR posts about the Padres to collect on the grumpiness of (hopefully ex) Chargers fans on Mondays
The Padres had a manager in 2022, Melvin. Bochy was not hired by the Rangers until after the 2022 season. Are you trying to suggest that the Padres should have fired Melvin and offered the job to Bochy?
Read the comment again. He’s talking about the Pads just before the Melvin hiring.
The Padres hired Melvin after the 2021 season. The Rangers hired Bochy after the 2022 season. Bochy did not even interview for the Padres or any other position in 2021.
Ron Fowler called Bochy to see if he was interested in being the Padres next manager after Tingler, but Bochy said he wasn’t interested in managing at that time.
When asked at that time by Barry Bloom about the possibility of managing again Bochy said ““I think I’ll just say what I’ve been saying: I don’t think you rule anything out,” Bochy continued. “I’ve enjoyed doing what I’ve been doing, working with the Giants, going through the minor league affiliates. I went to spring training for a couple of weeks, but you never say never. That’s my mindset.”
A big reason why he retired was because of heart problems and he had moved to Nashville to be closer to his grandkids and wanted to stay close to home. Dallas is much closer to Nashville than San Diego. It was also a year later at a time the Padres did not have a job available.
You got everything wrong in that comment. Try again.
Sorry, my mistake, Typo on the date.
You need to re read what I posted, since you are the one who confused
my quote comparing the 2021 interviews for the next Padres Manager with Bochy leaving the Padres in 2006?
Sorry if I wasn’t clear there.
I was comparing the the bad decision made by Alex Spanos in letting Head Coach Bobby Ross leave and keeping the GM Bobby Beathhard
with the Padres and Seidler’s dilemma of either keeping AJ Preller as Pres of Baseball Ops OR letting him go and hiring Bruce Bochy as Manager in ’21 or ’22.
Bob Melvin was the second or 3rd choice in the process.
In 2021, word was out in the Media and MLB Community that Bruce Bochy wanted back into MLB as a Manager.
Bruce Bochy made it clear that he was looking to get back into MLB as a Manager in ’21 -’22 .
It was all over the sports media at that time.
It was, also, all over the sports media at that time
that Bochy would not work with someone like AJ Preller.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/will-padres-hire-bruce-boch…
You post an article that does not back your assertions. Do you even READ them before you link to them?
BOCHY LEADS RANGERS IN PLAYOFF HUNT AFTER FREE-AGENT SPENDING SPREE
sportico.com/leagues/baseball/2023/bochy-has-range…
Notice the line in the article Bochy prefers old school managing based on skills and experience versus over emphasis on analytics:
The reasons for Bochy’s San Francisco departure were compound. Among them, he didn’t want to work for their analytically driven GM Farhan Zaidi. “I’ve adjusted to the new rules and the analytics, but I liked managing better in the old days,” he said this week.
Rob Thomson and Dave Dombrowski two “old school ” type baseball guys are now only a few games from another World Series also.
Analytics has its place and value, but
actual experience, wisdom, judgment, chemistry and other intangibles should never be relegated to the back seat in the decision making process in MLB.
Thank you. Bochy has too much class to say he left the Giants because of Zaidi but that’s what happened. And because of that the Giants lost a great manager. I’m happy for him landing the Texas job and very happy for his success this year.
Much of the Giants fan base in the SF Bay Area believe
that Bochy was being “forced out” in SF.
It wa
Bochy preempted Zaidi (saw the writing on the wall)
and “retired”.
Bochy would take a few years off and then get back into the game.
He did have some manageable health problems, but was keen on continuing to manage in MLB.
Bochy said the opposite. si.com/mlb/rangers/news/texas-rangers-bruce-bochy-…
and
theathletic.com/4595666/2023/06/12/bruce-bochey-ra…
Bochy was a manager under Sabean who was one of the leaders in analytics and advanced data analysis in baseball. Since Chris Young took over the Rangers they have exploded the size of their analytics department.
But keep on talking out of your behind.
Again, Bochy makes the decisions based on his experience, his wisdom, his intellect, his creative outside the box thinking and he will also listen to what the analytic guys have to say. But, the decision is made totally by Bochy according to other Managers and Coaches in MLB who know Bochy.
Bochy refused to work for and with AJ Preller since Bochy does not believe that analytics should take over the decision-making of the Manager.
Bochy will not let the computers make the decisions for him
and would not tolerate Preller or someone like him calling the dugout
trying have the computer manage the games for him.
Again you are wrong. Read the articles. Bochy has chosen TWO straight jobs with organizations that were among the top in analytics. He said he uses that information to help his team be better. There is no discussion here. Its his words.
Bochy NEVER refused to work with Preller. That is a flat out lie. Why you keep trying to float that BS is beyond me. It just makes you look worse each time.
he has his story and he’s sticking to it.
Again. Bochy had a long history with the Padres and made his offseason home in Poway for decades. His kid went to school there.
Bochy’s 1st choice was to return to the Padres.
The Padres Ownership’s 1st choice was to hire Bochy.
Bochy refuse to work with Preller.
Google it.
Go badger Matt Snyder author of the article on CBS/MLB.
Call Matt Snyder a liar and see how far you get with that lol!
I gave you the link to Matt Snyder/s article (unlike you, he is a professional sports journalist who checks his FACTS.
Snyder’s article where he quoted directly form “The Athletic” about Bochy would never work with AJ Preller.
You. most likely, did not read it since anything that upsets your faulty analysis and incorrect conclusions not supported by the facts, you ignore.
SPOON FEED FOR THOSE ON RECESS
Then again, a report in The Athletic from Friday said the following regarding a possible Bochy hire:
Multiple people expressed doubt that Bochy, who managed the Padres from 1995 to 2006 and led them to their last World Series appearance in ’98, would come out of retirement to work for a GM as hands-on as Preller.
“There’s no way f—ing Bochy goes in and deals with all that,” said one former big-league manager. “There’s no way.”
Again, your opinions are often proven to not be backed up by the facts.
You are entitled to your opinions and free speech.
But, relying on your opinions to try to re write the documented historical narrative made by people who were there and witnessed it and are quoted on its accuracy, does not hold any sway or water in a discussion.
You make up your own facts.
Then, when people on this forum “call you out on the inaccuracies
and opinions not supported by facts”, then you have tantrums and start the name calling
What are you in elementary school?!
You do not know what you are talking about much of the time.
Of course Bochy will parrot what the interviewers want to hear
about analytics.
He uses it like you use seasoning or salt and pepper on food
(sparingly and it almost never overrides his experience, his “gut feelings”
his “MO” that has seen him win what 4 World Series Titles
and a National League Pennant with the Padres?!
The players and his coaches know what is up with Bochy.
Max Scherzer a new starter for the Rangers @ the traded deadline
was quoted as saying: Bruce Bochy is old school” in how he manages.
He will look at the analytics, but when he makes a decision it
is heavily weighted on what he knows, what has worked for him and his teams
his entire career “OLD SCHOOL”>
Thompson is pretty bad, imho. He pulls his SPs on a whim.
Then again, a report in The Athletic from Friday said the following regarding a possible Bochy hire by the Padres:
Multiple people expressed doubt that Bochy, who managed the Padres from 1995 to 2006 and led them to their last World Series appearance in ’98, would come out of retirement to work for a GM as hands-on as Preller.
“There’s no way f—ing Bochy goes in and deals with all that,” said one former big-league manager. “There’s no way.”
I call BS on that. I read every word of every article that mentioned Bochy the last week and none of them have that in it.
Here is the list of all the articles that mentioned Bochy.
theathletic.com/search/?query=bochy
Friday was October 20th.
So tell us which of those articles that mention Bochy have that quote in it.
As usual, you missed the pertinent articles and issues and just read the stuff that supports your own opinions.
It’s kinda just what he does.
Padsfans
We will have to agree to disagree on these issues.
But, let’s do it in a classy, respectful, professional manner
and skip the other stuff.
Ask Pads Fans about his sockpuppet accounts BaseballisLife, websoulsurfer and outinleftfield.
And ask him about his claim that Manny Machado wouldn’t have signed without Eric Hosmer.
Machado didn’t care who he was going to play for. He would have gone to whoever offered the most money. Not saying I wouldn’t have done the same though. If only he kept his ego in check and hustled more often he could be a good teammate like Arrenado and Goldschmidt. That will be a task for Schildt if he gets the job. Don’t think he had many egos in St. Louis
thelegendaryharambe
It wouldn’t surprise me.
L:ike those stories planted about Soto to pump up his value?!
Where do they come from?!
His agent?!
His Team?!
His Family?!
His marketing dept?!
Inquiring fans want to know!
If you are wrong or I think you are lying, as is the case in all of your posts today, I WILL point it out. There is the list of every article on The Athletic that mentioned Bochy. NONE of them say what you claimed. So what you did showed a lack or class, a lack of respect for the rest of us, and did not show professionalism in any way.
LMFAO!
Your posts, routinely, show a complete lack of respect for others and a rudeness by discounting the intelligent discussion of others and
trying (but not succeeding) to “talk down” others.
Professionalism is something that you are, obviously, not familiar with based on your petulant child statement.
When ever you, accidentally ,wander into a few good points and analysis, you ruin it by and blow any shred of credibility you may have had by rudely insulting others who disagree with you
Others, and I ,have pointed out routine errors in your posts where you: get the facts wrong, misread peoples’ posts, misinterpret posts, misanalyse posts, take every post that is not 100% in agreement with you as a “personal attack”, take posts completely out of context, completely miss the issues discussed and go off on wild goose chases completely ignoring the the entire point of the post and the background evidence that backs it up.
Every poster on this forum has the right to free speech, post and document what they say (or not). .
If they support their statements and analysis, and even provide links that document what they are saying, then that is acceptable to most reasonable people and posters
and are supported by the “know facts”, that have been widely discussed and accepted by professional sports journalists.
I am done with you.
You have zero credibility based on your behavior, inaccurate statement, petulant child behavior and more.
Others on this forum have posted/stated similar sentiments about you.
Maybe, you need to open up 3 or 4 more new accounts
to start over and rebuild credibility and respect on these forums for yourself.
Your beef is with professional sports journalist Matt Snyder who quoted the Athletic and other professional sport writers in his article.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/will-padres-hire-bruce-boch…
Contact Matt Snyder, call him a liar and see how far that gets you LMFAO!
Then again, a report in The Athletic from Friday said the following regarding a possible Bochy hire:
“Multiple people expressed doubt that Bochy, who managed the Padres from 1995 to 2006 and led them to their last World Series appearance in ’98, would come out of retirement to work for a GM as hands-on as Preller.
“There’s no way f—ing Bochy goes in and deals with all that,” said one former big-league manager. “There’s no way.”
Sports journalist Matt Snyder CBS/MLB
has credibility and checks his facts.
You have zero credibility!
What he lacks in credibility he makes up for in sockpuppet accounts “agreeing” with himself.