Aaron Nola’s new deal with the Phillies is the winter’s biggest free agent headline to date, as Nola returned to Philadelphia for seven years and $172MM. Reports filtered in that the Braves also had significant interest in Nola, and that the right-hander turned down larger offers in order to remain with his longtime team, and the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Scott Lauber shed some light on those other suitors in a piece from earlier this week.
The Dodgers were another major bidder, Lauber writes, with the specific phrasing that Los Angeles “put a finger on the scale at $165MM.” It isn’t exactly clear from this wording whether or not the Dodgers perhaps just floated this figure or if they made a formal offer to Nola’s representatives, yet it is fair to assume the latter is true given the seemingly quick timeline of events, considering that the Phillies and Braves were both bidding hard and Nola wanted to decide sooner rather than later about his future.
As for other teams, Atlanta made a starting offer of $162MM over six years, and then made a final offer worth presumably more. Beyond the Braves and Dodgers, the Phillies thought more team were also involved in the Nola sweepstakes, “with at least one other club offering more” than Philadelphia’s $172MM.
Naturally it isn’t at all surprising that Nola drew such high-dollar interest, given his status as one of the top free agents available in this offseason’s market. MLBTR ranked Nola fifth on our list of the winter’s top 50 free agents, and projected him for a six-year, $150MM contract. He ended up getting more overall money than our projection, if less of an average annual value stretched out over a seventh year of a contract, yet the Phillies’ ability to just get close to comparable offers from other teams was enough to seal the deal. “Nola strongly preferred staying with the Phillies, and his agent Joe Longo let it be known that $172 million would get it done,” Lauber writes.
Braves president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos typically likes to make most of his bigger moves earlier in the offseason, and that trend has continued. The bullpen has been a major early focus, as Reynaldo Lopez was just signed to a three-year deal worth at least $30MM in guaranteed money, and Atlanta retained Joe Jimenez and Pierce Johnson before free agency officially opened. The Braves were also very aggressive in cutting down their list of arbitration-eligible players, with a series of trades, releases, and non-tenders that ultimately shaved a decent chunk of money off the payroll.
The exact size of that 2024 payroll and what Anthopoulos has to work with isn’t yet known, leading to quite a bit of speculation about what exactly the Braves are planning. Obviously landing Nola would have taken up a big portion (if not all) of whatever payroll space Atlanta has left, and the Braves are already on pace to top their team-record $203MM payroll from last year. The Braves are also set to surpass the luxury tax threshold for the second consecutive year, which adds another interesting wrinkle — signing a qualifying offer-rejecting free agent like Nola would’ve cost the Braves two draft picks and $1MM in international bonus money as compensation.
Under Anthopoulos, the Braves have usually made measured strikes in the free agent market. Most of Anthopoulos’ biggest moves have been trades, with his free agent signings usually limited to veterans on one-year or two-year deals (if at a high average annual value). Marcell Ozuna’s four-year, $65MM deal from the 2020-21 is far and away the biggest contract Anthopoulos has given to a free agent, and Nola’s contact would’ve drastically exceeded Ozuna’s number.
While the Dodgers are no stranger to big-money deals, it is worth noting that Nola at a $165MM price tag would’ve also represented the biggest free agent contract of Andrew Friedman’s tenure running the L.A. front office. Freddie Freeman’s six-year, $162MM pact from the 2021-22 offseason is the current benchmark, and the fact that Los Angeles was willing to spend so much on Nola is an early sign of how aggressive the team plans to be this winter.
Signing the durable Nola would’ve been a huge help to a Dodgers rotation that is lacking in experience, as the team is expected to add two or three pitchers to the group via free agency and trades. This is alongside the Dodgers’ other big pursuit of the winter, as Los Angeles is seen as one of the favorites — if perhaps the favorite — to sign Shohei Ohtani to what will almost surely be the biggest guaranteed contract in baseball history. The Dodgers may be way under the luxury tax threshold for now, but with Ohtani’s situation, severe pitching needs, and some other roster holes to be addressed, L.A. doesn’t appear to have any reservations over surpassing the tax for the fourth straight year.
One team absent from Nola’s market was Boston, as the Red Sox “weren’t meaningfully involved in bidding,” according to Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. This tracks with reports from mid-November suggesting that while the Sox were interested in a top-tier starting pitching addition, Jordan Montgomery and Yoshinobu Yamamoto were the team’s preferred options ahead of Nola and Blake Snell.
RSmith
the Red Sox “weren’t meaningfully involved in bidding,”
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As a Red Sox fan — Good, Yamamoto or Montgomery.
Joe says...
As a Yankees fan I hope the Sox don’t get Monty.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
as a yankees fan I don’t want monty, I like him as a pitcher and thought that the yankees made a horrible trade at the time of trading him. It’s just that he’s not worth 25 mil a year. It’ll be better to pursue yamamoto who might get 25 mil a year, is younger, and will most likely be better than monty. Why not go for yamamoto instead?
Joe says...
I think the Yankees need to look elsewhere for pitching. They obviously couldn’t get the most out of Monty. But as someone who really likes Monty, I just don’t want him going to Boston.
rememberthecoop
But Yamamoto will end up costing more than Monty I think. First off, he’s going to want 30M per year over who knows how many years. Then there is the posting fee to consider. That’s a lot of money for a pitcher who had never thrown a ball in MLB. I know he owned Japan but its a big change of leagues.
DadsInDaniaBeach
Remember, it’s true he hasn’t pitched in mlb. But absolutely every single talking head says he’s going to be a dominant beast. I know I’m whistling in the wind but would love the Phillies to also get him. You never have enough arms.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That was one of the worst Yankees trades and they usually don’t have bad trades but trading Monty was not a good trade for them
redsox for_life
I hope Boston Will get Montgomery plus Stroman , trade Verdugo for Torres, bring back Duvall
jmi1950
RS4Life- I like your ideas but I would rather have Wacha than Stromen.
JerseyShoreScore
Stroman will certainly be overpaid, while Wacha will be fairly paid, or perhaps underpaid. I think they will put up comparable numbers…
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
This dude is so average, he was probably discovered in the middle of the road. $172 million? seriously? This is becoming obscene…
Ma4170
I have monty to the sox, but a lot of teams after him
Braves83
The Red Sox and the Doyers and the Braves are gonna be glad they missed out on him in 3 years. He is a great pitcher and has had a great career. In 3 years (with 4 more years in that contract) the wheels will be coming off.
Goose
I really thought they would have come in for Nola and Yamamoto. Just to have a proven veteran at the top of the rotation to take pressure off Bello so he could slide into the 2 or 3 role.
If the Red Sox don’t get two decent starting pitchers they are going to struggle again. They will tease but this is looking like the mid-90’s again.
RSmith
Red Sox will be in on a proven veteran starter, just not Nola. Nola has not been a consistent ace over the past 3 years (since covid). He’s a dangerous long-term commitment. IMO.
Niekro floater
Could wish u had Nola on ur team in cpl months frm now … Yamamoto goin to big city team that wins. Financial constraints was how Bosox GM job offer came. Best bet is loadup on buncha nice AAAA guys n hope u find gem. Now if u only had the player personel guys who could develop that talent. Sorry 2say seems the lavish lifestyles bills R coming due 4redsox n yanks n theyre fishing @quantity bargain bins. Those teams gona make boatload of money winner or loser.
JackStrawb
If two of the best front offices in the game were willing to go above $160 million, you have to think the smarter PBoPs in the biz were satisfied with Nola’s projected durability and his ability to resist further decline of the kind we saw in his peripherals in 2022 and 2023.
Still, that’s a whopping lot of money for a guy with an ERA+ of 102 from 2021 through 2023.
Rishi
I think the decline in production is perhaps what made those teams so interested. It made him available for less than he would’ve commanded very recently. Certainly risky but the ability to stay healthy is huge.
Rishi
The Braves and Dodgers likely are looking at the durability and the postseason success a lot. The Braves have had a lot of injuries to the rotation at the wrong time the last 2 years.
JackStrawb
Excellent point, Rishi. Perhaps more than anything, given their fate the last two offseasons despite the embarrassment of riches under contract, the Braves have to be ***extremely*** interested in doing whatever they can to ensure they have three starters guys likely to be alive and pitching at the start of October.
good vibes only
Spot on. Both teams have money to spend and a big need in the way of a durable SP3 at worst. Win-now mode!
Rishi
No doubt they are also looking at fried becoming a free agent and the fact that he’s had some health problems recently and not been fully healthy and stretched out for the last 2 postseason runs. I doubt they would give him the 200 mil or so he is likely to get considering those things. Only one year left. He also is clearly not into signing an extension. Not at the price they are gonna offer at least.
NashvilleJeff
@ Rishi: Agree w/your thoughts on Fried. He’s the Braves Union rep. Imo, he’s definitely going after as much as possible in free agency. His IL stint for the “forearm strain” is a huge red flag. Don’t think the Braves should even be negotiating an extension unless he proves to be fully healthy in 24—but as you referenced, the Braves probably won’t beat the market for him anyway. Braves farm system is thin on position players but rich in pitching. They’ll be ok w/out him. Ozuna, Morton, and Fried money off the books for 25 too. Plenty to spend if they wish.
Rishi
I don’t really like the Morton option they picked up. He’s flashed greatness a few times the last 2 seasons(for a month or so at a time) but is generally struggling to make it through five innings (yet somehow always managing to not give up more than 3 or so). But he is SO shaky. People always argue with me on this but he really isn’t as good as the era suggests. He walks everyone and isn’t getting any younger. And he has gotten hurt at the worst times. It’s fine if it doesn’t limit what else they can do but they appear to be trying to save every penny they can this year.
christopher8002
And for the Braves it would have had the double advantage of boosting them and damaging a thorn in their side. Probably worth an extra $10-20M to potentially defuse that 1-2 punch in Philly.
ElysianPark
The exact thing can be said of the Dodgers’ rotation, Rishi
oscar gamble
Agree 100%
Ma4170
This is a case where ERA+ may be misleading. Its a clear hitters home park, and in the last three years, he’s 4th in WAR, 13th in xFIP, 16th in WHIP, 3rd in K/BB, 8th in SIERA in all MLB. By almost every measure, he’s been a pretty clear top 10-15 MLB sp. Thats why the bidding was where it was.
KingKen
Or they were just willing to pay the premium and live with a lean back end of the deal because they both are in “play for now” positions and feel the risky later years are worth the next 2 or 3 which should still be good ones.
Fever Pitch Guy
Jack – The same brilliant Friedman that gave the awful contract to Thor?
His teams have never made a legit WS despite astronomical spending.
He ain’t that brilliant.
amk1920
No such thing as an awful one year contract. Nobody could’ve seen him going from average starter to worst SP in baseball.
Simm
Not saying Friedman is terrible but evidently the other 29 teams didn’t value as high as the dodgers.
JerseyShoreScore
When the Dodgers are investing 10 to 13 million, they do not sit around weighing horrible pros/cons or what other teams think. They discussed whether they thought they could help Syndergaard make a few adjustments to be a back end guy, rolled the dice and cut their losses with a bench bat after it was clear he was finished…
Comparing Syndergaard’s situation to a seven year $170 million dollar investment is comical.
Simm
The dodgers don’t just throw 10+m away for nothing. If they did then Friedman would actually be a bad front office guy. Specially when they were trying to stay below the tax last year.
So is he good and made a mistake
Or
Is he just a guy who throws money around hoping something sticks?
BlueSkies_LA
Sure, there’s such a thing as an awful one year contract: when you don’t sign the player you need. The Dodgers were in need of two solid rotation arms last year, and instead they got one made of jello, and were forced to trade for another arm at the deadline that also worked out badly. So this was the full price paid for was in reality an awful one year contract.
amk1920
Who signed a one year deal last offseason that was good? Lorenzon would’ve been better but Philly stayed away from him in October so how much would he have really helped?
l9ydodger
FPG;
Overrated IMO.
Fever Pitch Guy
19 – Agreed! Friedman ain’t bad, but he ain’t as good as DD or AA either.
mlb fan
“He ain’t that brilliant”..NL West titles 9 out of 10 yrs is pretty “brilliant” in my opinion. The only team that’s matched this level of consistency and excellence in the last 40 yrs is the Atlanta Braves. Winning the WS is a crapshoot and is not the only measure of success. EVERY GM that manages to stay employed over the long term will give out a few questionable contracts.
RSmith
Division titles in the NL West the past 10 years isnt saying much. Giants have been good, but Rockies, Pads and Dbacks have been horrendous.
Rox, Pads and Dbacks combine for 3 of the worst 7 teams (winning percentage) in baseball over the past 10 years.
statmuse.com/mlb/ask/best-mlb-teams-winning-percen…
mlb fan
“Dbacks have been horrendous”..Whatever you say. The Dbacks were just in the World Series last yr. The Padres were in the NLCS very recently and the Giants won 107 games 2+ years ago and SEVERAL World Series in the last 15 yrs.
Fever Pitch Guy
Mlb – You can’t POSSIBLY be serious.
Since 2013 the Dodgers led MLB in payroll 6 times and another 2 years led the league and another 2 years were 2nd in the league.
Doesn’t take much brains to throw money at the Mookies, Freemans and Bauers of MLB.
amk1920
I hate to break this to you but way more often than not another NL west team made the playoffs with the Dodgers. Only 2013, 15 and 19 had no other west team in the playoffs.
ElysianPark
They also won during that period with a lot of homegrown talent. They weren’t just spending on big contracts.
RSmith
mlb fan:
10 years is the parameter someone else used, not me. 26th place out of 30 teams during those 10 years is “horrendous”. Making the WS last year doesnt change that.
Rishi
Idk about that. The dodgers are good at signing the right guys long term. Having a ton of money is nice but it can also lure you into bad situations. Just look at the difference in the type of player the Dodgers generally give that long term commitment to compared to the Yankees, in general. Look at the Padres too. The Dodgers have good scouting and development too. I do agree their success is less impressive then some teams given the stabilizing effect of the Mookie and Freeman contracts but practically any team could’ve offered Freeman similar dollars.
BlueSkies_LA
In the last ten years the Dodgers have signed only two contracts of over three years. You can argue that they’ve only signed deserving players longterm, but you can’t really know that until a contract runs into the out years. At the same time over those years they’ve missed out on some key free agents by a matter of a few millions. They could have afforded to make the top offer to Nola. Though they really need a starter of his calibre, they let someone else do it. So it seems to me this is the real story of the Dodgers approach to free agency. Everyone seems to expect them to do something big when mostly they they go small.
Rishi
They have over a 200m payroll. My argument is they are run well because they don’t sign long term deals. The guys they do occasionally give them to are generational players with excellent work ethic and no extensive injury history. I am comparing that to a team like NYY who sign people like Rodon and go after people, supposedly, like Cody Bellinger-who has not seemed to be entirely “dedicated”. I think one could argue they should’ve signed Corey Seager but who knows. They’ve already gotten the value out of that Freeman deal if he never touches a ball again.
BlueSkies_LA
The Dodgers can afford high payrolls because of the support of fans. The money all comes from us. It doesn’t grow on the baseball tree.
Signing longterm deals is usually crucial for a team to get across the finish line, a problem that conspicuously haunts the Dodgers — and not for no reason. So while the Dodgers may be “well run” from a business and profit standpoint it’s certainly debatable whether they are well run from a fan point of view.
You also can’t fairly use the examples of flush teams having their bets not pay off as evidence that making these bets is evidence of bad management. Baseball is game of probabilities. All any team can do is try to increase their chances of winning. Ex post facto analysis counts for nothing because everybody knows the future after it happens, and nobody really does before it happens.
Rishi
I think you may feel that way simply because your team hasn’t had an albatross contract effecting them. Doesn’t matter how much they should spend-nobody spends enough-but they spend plenty. There are contracts that are pretty obviously a bad idea when signed. Like Rodon. It’s not always a matter of retrospect. There is luck involved but some teams seem to pay purely for the back of the baseball card while taking little account of the PERSON they are giving 200M to. We can’t totally ignore results either. Honestly I think they could use another manager but I know that’s an easy copout. I think they’ve had the talent most years and just haven’t gotten it done. I don’t think they have “needed” any player to get over the hump. Maybe now tho. And I think they will do something big.
Rishi
Some of it is because of luxury tax. It’s hard to get an owner to pay up especially when it’s a gamble they are being so heavily penalized for. And especially when they have had the talent and still lost. I’m all for spending 300m but I still think they should spend it on short term deals.
BlueSkies_LA
I feel that way because of the history of postseason underperformance, and that is pretty obviously a function of missing pieces. And nobody can say with a straight face that they know a contract is bad when it’s signed. That’s absurd, really.
Managers, especially on a team like the Dodgers, are implementers of the front office game plan. If they aren’t willing to follow the plan then they don’t get those jobs, and they sure don’t keep them. Managers very often end up taking the blame for front office failures, immediately from fans who don’t understand the manager’s job in the era of analytics, and eventually from front offices that never fire themselves.
The need to make a big splash is greater this year than most, but it was pretty significant last year too. So we’ll see, but it’s always easy to predict a whole lot more dart throwing at lower potential targets, because this is what Friedman has always done.
Rishi
I agree, especially with Dave Roberts, that the manager is usually somewhat of a pawn of the front office. They are there to do their bidding and keep the clubhouse reasonably normal. Hard to ignore a guy like bochy winning so many times with arguably less talent tho. I think the front offices tell the manager to make moves in the playoffs before the game starts and the manager does the move even if it makes no sense in the context of the individual game. I do think some teams have this 90s/2000s braves approach of being a bit too business as usual-slow and steady-playoff approach. I think it’s better to be fired up like the Phillies. That’s largely what I mean about Dave and LA. I feel like they have this approach that is great in the regular season but in the playoffs they seem rather business like. Most would say this is nonsense. Who knows? Nice talking to you. I know I kept posting but I was enjoying someone actually responding to me for once.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rishi – Last year the Dodgers had $581M in revenue, second highest in MLB to only the Yankees.
It’s a lot easier to absorb Freeman-size contracts when you have $130M more in revenue than the 2nd-highest revenue team in the league (Cubs).
Fever Pitch Guy
Blue – Since 2013 the only time the Dodgers went small was this year, and that’s only because they planned to make a run at Yama and Ohtani.
BlueSkies_LA
The manager is an employee of the front office. The FO gathers the data and makes the game plan and the manager is expected to implement it. Further, fans see only what a manager does in game, but the vast majority of his duties aren’t under the lights. A lot of it is personnel management. The “fire Dave Roberts” chorus doesn’t seem to understand that if he was fired Friedman would hire someone else to implement his game plan. Nothing would really change.
BlueSkies_LA
Well they still have signed only two contract guarantees of over $100M and only a handful of over three years in length in ten years. A lot of their salary commitment goes to mid-range players, short extensions, a whole lot of dart throwing on relievers (it adds up), and tendering contracts to controllable players. So we’ll see on Ohtani and Yamamoto. I’d be pleasantly surprised if they sign either of them, let alone both. Emphasis on surprised. We should know Friedman’s roster philosophy by now and going big really isn’t it.
spudchukar
The Phillies have a less than average defense and home is a hitters haven. Those two things will inflate any odes ERA.
Simm
I could be wrong didn’t he get off to a rough start and then turn it around in the second half?
JackStrawb
@Simm 1st half: 4.39 ERA. 2nd 4.58 ERA —You might be thinking of his first 3 starts (7.04 ERA, but 3.58 FIP—otherwise his first half was respectable)
Simm
Yeah prob was after those first three starts. I don’t follow the Phillies all that much but I remember him getting off to a really bad start.
VonPurpleHayes
Small correction: A homerun haven, but not particularly a hitters haven. There’s no big gap for extra basehits which actually helps pitchers. Everything else is accurate though.
Ma4170
Still tied for 8th in park factor last three years though, so more of a hitters’ park than not.
VonPurpleHayes
Agreed. Hitters park for sure, and the power-heavy NLE lineups mash there.
JackStrawb
@spudchukar
Nola, career:
Home 3.20 ERA
Away 4.25 ERA
(In radio announcer’s voice: “Small Sample Caveat’s Apply!”)
Neon Cop
The media is begging for Ohtani to pick LAD. Hard to see why he’d wanna play there, though. Rooting for SF, Chicago, or Seattle.
frankiegxiii
Dodgers still stuck in your head huh?
Neon Cop
The post mentions them. Hope this helps.
amk1920
Mariners have one playoff appearance since 2001. Giants have done nothing in a decade. Cubs haven’t done anything since their 2016 title. What makes those teams so much better oh wise one
Neon Cop
And LA hasn’t won anything legit since 1988. At least SF won 3 real rings across a 5 year span. Cry…
amk1920
Yeah and then the Giants ran the manager who did it out of town and replaced their front office with the Dodgers GM. I’m sure Ohtani will want to join the team with one more playoff appearance than the Angels since he entered the league
Neon Cop
SF has a brighter future…plus a much better park that doesn’t smell and look like a dumpster.
Senioreditor
Bright future? Really? I’ll take LA’s farm nearly any decade.
M.C.Homer
Ohtani’s new contract will be an albatross as a player.
Has Angels written all over it.
The marketing of Shohei will however re coup a lot of value.
Dodgers, Mariners, Giants, Padres, Cubs, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, sorry, I’d have a hard time convincing Shohei your teams are that much better. Especially moving forward.
Yamamoto is a much better investment for a forward looking team.
maxmilna
Dodgers going hard for Ohtani and throwing 165m at Nola!? Big offseason coming.
Simm
There biggest issue is pitching. Ohtani helps any team but him not being able to pitch this year and who knows going forward. Makes the dodgers pitching needs to priority number 1. Even over Ohtani.
JerseyShoreScore
Not sure any team investing a half-billion dollars over a decade or more is going to heavily weight 2024 short term needs over the totality of what a generational talent brings for the decade, both in terms of talent and revenue. As for specifically the Dodgers, they are going to add two starting pitchers in addition to Ohtani.
Neon Cop
LOL
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Details?
They fell short
End of story
jason1 5
as a Braves fan, this is highly illuminating as to the Braves’ payroll situation if true. The front office has said they focus on cash outlay per year (rather than AAV) when assessing the annual budget. Since losing out on Nola, the Braves have only committed $4M of 2024 spending (plus ~1M of luxury tax) in the Reynaldo Lopez signing. Doesn’t mean they necessarily want to spend on the remaining SP crop – maybe they were uniquely in on Nola’s combo of age, durability, potential ability to retain his stuff as he gets older – but their reported offer to Nola isn’t consistent with a team that’s currently near its budgetary limit.
Shadow_Banned
The Dodgers should have signed him.
James Midway
Summary: other teams offered him money. Philly who he is comfortable with and made two consecutive deep runs with offered him generational wealth and he happily accepted.
AG7
I will be surprised if we don’t see some key free agents off the board over the next week. Winter meetings could trigger trades so guys may want to sign before potential suitors pivot.
Ohtani and Yamamoto signing will be the big domino effect in free agency tho.
steelerbravenation
Braves need to sign Gray & Duvall
Extend Minter
Call it an off-season
eznod
It’s like the Cardinals, close but no cigar.
EM41
Well, if this report is true, it completely refutes yesterday’s speculative article that the Braves have reached their spending limit. I fully expect the Braves to go after another SP and a LF, fill out their bench and go past last year’s budget by tens of millions
AG7
SP should be a lock but I really don’t know about LF. If they do spend like we expect on a starter, they could go cheap in LF. Unless they include Grissom in a trade for a guy who can play LF every day, he could be the plan for now with a LH platoon.
Bobcastelliniscat
Meanwhile, the Reds offered Nola $72 dollars for seven years.
JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial
But, they made Nola and his agent pay for lunch. So they came out net positive!
foppert1
Joe Longo doing a fine job. Gets his man his preference, with the years he wanted, the dollars he thought he was worth and all the fan love in the world for taking a bit less. And got it done early. Give the man a prize. Nice effort.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Looks like the Braves do indeed have money to spend. What are you up to AA? You wascally wabbit…
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Maybe Nola just likes being a Philly. and the 7/$172 is right there with the top bids.
CarverAndrews
After close to sixty years of being a Phillies fan, it is still kinda’ wild to try to adapt to seeing our team and our city as a top destination for players.
Yeah, I know that it doesn’t have the appeal of a few others out there for various reasons, but what has been created here is a real credit to ownership, to DD, the organization as a whole, and to Bryce & Company. And to the fanbase, which is showing the league that it really is a uniquely interesting and highly engaged base that players want to experience.- and not just when they are wearing body armor.
Bart Harley Jarvis
It has happened in the past. Roy Halliday wanted a trade to the Phillies, and Cliff Lee accepted less money to return to the Phillies.
CarverAndrews
Yes, but that time was so brief. I remember the sense of elation at that time that we were actually a place that players wanted to play, and then “poof”, that time was over in an eyeblink.
This feels much more sustainable, as Middleton has dramatically changed the ownership dynamic. Sure, he is a Main Line dude as well, but the stodgy old Phillies Way has been upended.
YourDreamGM
Looks like the top bid to me. 165m in California is much less than 165m in Pennsylvania. Braves were close but 10m for the extra year is worth it to me to stay in north east.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I’m glad we didn’t overpay for him.
geofft
Hard to imagine that these were the only three teams in on Nola. If he did turn down larger offers to stay with the Phils, then who was it that made those offers? Because the offers mentioned here from the Braves and Dodgers don’t really represent more money, or only do by just by a hair.
I’d be interested in knowing who else was in on him and making offers.
Simm
Well it said one other team that is unknown made an offer over 172.
YourDreamGM
I doubt anyone made a better offer. Most people work where they can make the most $. If he loved Philly so much why couldn’t they have got an extension done. The other team that offered more $ was offering more $ before taxes.
Simm
Prob because the Phillies weren’t offering as much before he became a free agent. The market set the price and the Phillies added more to their previous offer. He elected to stay, it’s not hard to believe
YourDreamGM
Well duh.
NashvilleJeff
@geofft: Iirc, the Cards were also after Nola. Think I saw mention of that in an article on here in the last week or so.
Simm
I could see the cards or the giants.
mlb fan
It makes sense to give SP longterm deals when they’re as reliable as Wheeler/Nola. For roughly 300M Philly has an extremely reliable, durable #1 & #2.
YourDreamGM
Better get Wheeler done.
Slider_withcheese
Save the money . Next year’s free agent starting class is stacked, especially if Cole opts out. No need to throw stupid money at a Sonny Gray type when you could save that budget to throw at a Buehler, Fried, Burnes, or a Wheeler type.
Brew88
If caught throwing at them it might mean multi-game suspension, but if the stupid money offer was just an inside pitch that got away, there’s no reason to charge the pitcher, who’s protected by the FDIC anyway.
Simm
All the Yankees have to do is is add a year and Cole won’t be a free agent.
Teams aren’t going to punt on a year to wait until next season. Some of these guys could get extended before then as well.
tangerinepony
Wait till Burnes hits the market, 40-45M a year over 7-8 years to be expected. He’ll get DeGrom money Boras will make sure of it
BlueSkies_LA
When you can point to only two guaranteed contracts of over $100M in ten years it doesn’t stand to reason that the team “is no stranger to big money deals.” In fact that team and big money deals have just barely met. The Dodgers as big spenders in free agency is a narrative that just refuses to die, no matter what actually happens.
Yankeehater79
Why are we still talking about this who cares he resigned focus on who can get now intead of rehashing this crap…
Mickey Solis
OF COURSE the Dodgers tried to buy Nola. Is there anyone those desperate pathetic pieces of garbage with the phoniest “fans” in baseball won’t try to purchase? Glad Nola stayed home with the Phillies. Good for the Braves for actually trying to spend for once, though.
BlueSkies_LA
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neoncactus
Not sure this indicates how aggressive the Dodgers will be. So far, it’s typical Dodgers. Make an offer and get outbid and fail to get the player. I’d be convinced if they offered the most money and the player chose another team for personal reasons. I’m hoping they target the players they believe will help them win in the postseason and then spend what they need to spend to get them.
BetterThanYou
The Dodgers are overly analytical. Their nerds determine how much the GM will offer a free agent. Thus they lose out over a few million bucks.