Shohei Ohtani’s camp at CAA has done a good job keeping his free agency a relatively silent endeavor, but there have been occasional indicators that his market is beginning to narrow. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported last week that the Red Sox, Rangers and Mets had shifted their focus to players other than Ohtani, not believing themselves to be strong contenders to land him. Today, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports that the Cubs are in a similar position. Chicago’s “optimism of landing Ohtani has now significantly waned,” per Nightengale, citing a high-ranking team executive.
Known suitors for Ohtani generally include the Dodgers, Blue Jays, Angels and Giants. (Others have surely expressed interest throughout the offseason.) If the Cubs are indeed pessimistic and/or turning their attention elsewhere, that makes four teams in the past four days that are now said to be increasingly doubtful about their chances of landing the two-time AL MVP. Given the secretive nature of Ohtani’s market, it’s always possible there are additional, surprise suitors lurking, but to this point there’s little to no indication of the ever-popular “mystery team” joining the fray.
As a major market club with long-term needs in the rotation and an immediate gap at designated hitter, the Cubs made plenty of sense as an Ohtani suitor. Chicago’s projected $178MM payroll is a ways of from the franchise-record $203MM Opening Day mark, and for a player like Ohtani it stands to reason that most clubs would be comfortable stretching beyond their previously established comfort levels. Ohtani could’ve slotted into the 2025 rotation alongside Justin Steele and would’ve added a thunderous left-handed bat to a lineup that could well lose resurgent Cody Bellinger, who is also a free agent.
Over the past few days, reports have emerged of in-person meetings between Ohtani’s camp and a few clubs. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported yesterday that the Blue Jays are “believed” to have met with Ohtani at their spring complex on Monday, when GM Ross Atkins was noticeably absent from the site of the Winter Meetings in Nashville and conducted his media availability via Zoom. Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle similarly reported that there were “indications” of a weekend meeting between the Giants and Ohtani at Oracle Park in San Francisco.
Suffice it to say, most teams have been quite wary of tipping their hand and perhaps harming their chances of hammering out a deal with Ohtani, who clearly wants a free-agent experience that does not play out in the public eye. While there was originally hope that Ohtani might make a decision at this week’s Winter Meetings, over the past 48 hours each of Nightengale, Jon Heyman of the New York Post and others have begun to suggest that Ohtani could continue conducting meetings with teams after this week’s event.
Yanks2
Clickbait. Ohtani has expressed his desire for the media on his free agency to be quiet and people should learn to respect that
Simm
It doesn’t matter if he wants them to be quiet if they are out. They can talk as much as they want because he isn’t picking them
Aaron Sapoznik
The best indicator that the Cubs are out on Ohtani ahead of his official signing is how proactive they become with their backup plans. That might have contributed to yesterday’s rumors regarding free agents Matt Chapman and last season’s Cubs CF/1B Cody Bellinger. If we see the Cubs aggressively connected to Juan Soto in the coming days, that could be another sign that they are out on the unicorn.
Balk
Didn’t Ohtani say teams that wish to stay relevant will not leak info? Media has no interest in staying quiet.
excusemeflo
So reporters are supposed to just not do their jobs and ignore the biggest free agent contract ever? In no world would that ever happen
foppert1
Maybe happen in Japan.
blackandorange
I don’t think you understand the concept of clickbait.
Franco27
As a Cubs fan, I am thrilled. It saves them from making a horrible mistake financially. Move on.
atlbraves
There’s always another Jason Heyward out there.
Dumpster Divin Theo
In re horrible financial mistakes. There’s always another $23 baseball bat beer for 23 ounces of suds. All fun and games until grandma opens up her Discover bill. Discover indeed. Now you’re that much closer to moving out of the utility room
labial
Let’s see Marcus Stroman for 7 years, $200M
ChiSoxCity
Wanted Ohtani, gets Rhys Hoskins instead. Yep, par for the course for the Cubs. They will never spend that pile of money they get from all the tourists.
SonnySteele
I disagree, Yanks2. Reporters have to report and sometimes investigate. Even sports reporters. They would be committing professional malpractice if they didn’t try to learn what’s happening with Ohtani’s situation.
JPR
Malpractice? That’s pretty hilarious.
Zerbs63
I’m not sure the Cubs were an actual landing spot anyway. Ohtani used to say when he played for the Angels he hated rain delays. Lot more rain delays in Chicago than LA
SFGiants2010!
I would say the Dudgers are out then because Dave Roberts outright said they met with him.
SFGiants2010!
I say he doesn’t go to L.A. for one very simple reason…everyone else is saying he should. I’d put Toronto ahead of the Duds in the chances to sign him. I still say he’s headed to the Giants though. The Giants have some very talented young players who will be coming into their own in the next year or two. If they get Ohtani, they’re not done in Free Agency or trades this winter. That’s just the start. If they can get a top line starter to go along with Webb, that’s just trouble for the rest of the league…especially when Ohtani is ready to pitch again in 2025.
Maddog1983
Why should they respect his desire for them to remain silent? It’s literally their job to report on him and honestly it comes with the territory when you are going to get paid 400+ million
IHLgulls
I think he ends up on the Giants
Slow day at work
That’s what I’m thinking too. Giants, Angels, Dodgers, Blue Jays in that order.
Simm
I’m thinking angels. For no real reason other then he is comfortable there
Rexhudler86
Dodgers or angels, feel like it’s been that way all along. The only reason why the dodgers were out of it was because they didn’t have a dh. Angels just have spend more money for a couple years, and go for it also makes sense if Arte wants to sell he will lose more money if he goes into a rebuild.
BlueSkies_LA
Not buying this argument. If/when Moreno decides to sell, prospective buyers will be looking at the team’s balance sheet. If he loads up on salary commitments without producing results (and is this not his history?) then the value of the franchise goes down, not up.
SonnySteele
I’m going with Kansas City. 😉
Slow day at work
@BlueSkies_LA if Moreno decides to sell, the only thing that affects the team price is how much revenue it generates, not how many championships it has won. Of course, winning championships generates revenue, but I bet that a team with Ohtani and no championships sells for a lot higher than a team without Ohtani and no championships.
BlueSkies_LA
Slow day, the answer to all of your points is balance sheet. Revenue and expenses. People who have billions to invest want to know about return on investment.
Maddog1983
Correct. With Ohtani comes the following of an entire country
Steve E.
The Giants are desperate for players to market the team around and they have money to burn. attendance is way down and that team needs a massive talent and charisma injection. They need him way worse than the Dodgers or Rays. No way he goes back to the Halos.
BlueSkies_LA
The team that signs him gets a huge automatic boost in fan interest and this is certainly a big part of the financial equation for any interested team. The factor we can’t really know about is whether the player is prioritizing a competitive team. If so, he quite honestly might as well sign back with the Angels before signing with the Giants, and I don’t see him going back to the Angels. Neither of these teams seem to have a plan for winning any time soon.
Goin' to Sheetz
No one mentioned him signing in Florida or Texas.
Dumpster Divin Theo
I see what you did there
RunDMC
If this guy wants to win consistently, why would he go to to SF? Sure, they have money and geography — both things his camp has downplayed his interest in. They could be lying, but I don’t understand why he’d be going to a squad where he’s likely one of the first pieces and not one of the last (with all due respect to some of their prospects and Logan Webb). In that sense, LAD even for less money makes a lot more sense than SF, unless LAD is trying their typical deferment strategy of not paying off (interest-free) until 2050 (not too dissimilar from Freeman’s deal).
Candlestoked
@RUN Because SF Giants have winning in the blood. Many championships in the past and in the years to come. Meanwhile, LA chokes year after year after year when it means the most.
RunDMC
Respectfully, that’s a bad pitch for the franchise. If Ohtani cared about history we know where he’d be going – with 27 championships. Sure, LAD have had trouble bringing it home recently, but they’ve still won a “mini” championship since SF, and there was a 56 years (1954-2010) in between championships in San Fran — and SF only has 1 more championships than LAD, so why the superiority complex? LAD possibly has more money at their disposal, currently a better team with legitimate stars (Betts, Freeman, etc.), a better farm to build them for the long haul, and is in the same familiar market Ohtani has grown accustomed to. Dodgers represent him staying home, but winning, that the crosstown team hasn’t been able to achieve in the 6 previous years. But, SF has winning in their blood. (And I’m the furthest thing from a Dodger fan).
Dumpster Divin Theo
Plus Frisco has great music. Two supergroups in both Starship and Airplane plus Huey Lewis. The heart of rock n roll is still beatin. In Frisco
Matty B 2
Trolls be trollin’.
GSWfanklay
Sf sf sf sf sf please
CubsWin108
cubs signing ohtani confirmed thanks to bob
vaderzim
I’m desperate for something big to happen.
prov356
Maybe you need a hobby.:)
vaderzim
I definitely need a hobby haha
Dumpster Divin Theo
Or a pet. Plenty of dogs and kitties looking for a good home
TexasLeaguer
Hurts, but probably for the best. It’s a huge investment on someone with two TJ surgeries. Cubs were always improving the roster via trade.
CubsWin108
thats stupid, why trade prospects for soto and the money he brings. instead of just signing somebody and keeping your prospects
TexasLeaguer
Who said anything about Soto
CubsWin108
who else is available via trade
TexasLeaguer
Realistically, sign Hoskins and trade for pitching.
FredBlassie
Hoskins is terrible. 11 career WAR. Wrong side of 30. Hasn’t played since 2022. Don’t accept crap from an organization that has all the money in the world.
The Natural
Bieber, Cease, Glasnow, Alonso, Cease, Castellanos
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wrong side of 30. Isn’t that like every baseball fan, everywhere, throughout time?
Alan53
Hoyer doesn’t make trades except at Aug. 1 deadline. Not sure why, but he just doesn’t. The Cubs will probably supplement via second-tier free agents, as they have the last couple of off-seasons.
TexasLeaguer
Cubs will absolutely trade this offseason. I see two trades in the cards. Cubs haven’t had this deep of a farm system ever. With outfield prospects near the top, and clearly being blocked by Suzuki and Happ, they’ll be moved.
Alan53
I dunno. I’m not convinced about any of the Cubs outfield prospects. (Maybe Caissie, down the road.) And I don’t think the other GMs are all that impressed with the Cubs prospects at any position.(Except maybe Horton, who Jed won’t move.) But the larger issue is that Hoyer seems to have a hard time making ANY trades of note except at the deadline. I’m not sure why, but my hunch is that it’s more personal than philosophical: I think he is not well liked by his counterparts with other teams. But I hope I’m wrong about all of the above, because this team really needs a shake up. All of its hitters are the same kind of hitters, and all of its pitchers are the same kind of pitcher, and not good enough.
The Natural
You make some pretty strong assumptions. Other GMs are only interested in one Cub prospect in a pipeline that is at or near the top?
Other GMs don’t like Hoyer?
Alan53
1I could be wrong. I do think that we are kidding ourselves if we think the Cubs are going to get anything for Wesneski, Assad, or Wicks. When I speak to out-of-town fans about them, the reaction is, Who? They just have not made any impression. And I think the farm system is seen as good, but with few obvious stars….As for my hunch that Hoyer is disliked, maybe I’m projecting:I don’t like him….It is weird how rarely he makes off-season trades, while doing so seems so easy for his counterparts with other teams. We’ll see if he makes some this year.
Matty B 2
If that were the case, we would have traded Bellinger at the deadline.
Trust me when I say, the Cubs don’t have a front office vision worth reading.
Alan53
I agree. That was my point, more or less. You made it better.
CubsWin108
*pulls trigger*
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I’m taking any report from Nightengale with a grain of salt
Fire Krall
ahhh push it!
Slow day at work
TBH, this isn’t news. We all knew from the beginning that no team outside the west coast had a realistic chance.
TheFuzzofKing
Sounds like it might be news to you that the Jays are involved and had a meeting with him.
Jean Matrac
The Cubs were on his original short list. And maybe he’s talked with Seiya Suzuki, who apparently loves playing there.
9er78
Conjecture per the usual with Mano Dr Matrac.
I thought you were a Giants Fan Bud?
Trying to endear yourself to other Fan Bases.
If you actually did your Due diligence you would have learned about the Hierarchy Japanese Players adhere to ;which makes it highly unlikely he’d sign with a team who already has an established “Japanese” Player in the Fold.
9er78
Sorry that was Mano De Matrac,
Not a Dr, definitely a Quack.
pkels2
Agreed. I have no idea how this guy has a job.
Dogbone
Ohtani is a great player no doubt. But he’d be a luxury for the Cubs, when they have other holes to fill. It would have tied their hands involving other options. Plus he’d likely be a DH – and who knows about his pitching career going forward.
Old York
The Rays have been quiet this offseason so I’m guessing Ohtani signs with them.
roysrays
I know you’re being funny, but if they decided to spend in anticipation of the new park, what fun that would be! but probably not.
Old York
@roysrays
And still no one would show up to watch.
roysrays
I’ve never lived in the South, but I like the way they manage their team and that the games aren’t too crowded. I made three trips down to St. Pete this year to watch games. I know it’s bad for business, but I love less crowded games!
Big whiffa
Waned right !
10centBeerNight
Always bought into reporting his preference is west coast. Guess we will find out shortly
Rexhudler86
That was his list initially when he came from Japan, it’s all bs reporting for clicks. Just like Arson judge leaving the yankees
Fire Krall
How cool would it be to see a complete jaw dropper and a young team like the Reds sign him?
CravenMoorehead
Personally I feel like Arizona might be creeping in the Ohtani sweepstakes after their strong postseason run.
Rexhudler86
What about pirates heard they have a nice Japanese restaurant, and they have a Korean teammate.
Saint Nick
I like how people including MLBTR just keep assuming Ohtani is gonna slot right back in to being a SP in 2025 when very few pitchers have come back from multiple TJ surgeries.
robert-5
No way Im handing Ohtani a $500M contract unless there’s an out for the team if he doesnt take the mound again- and pitch at a similar level.
BlueSkies_LA
Robert, you’re not handing Ohtani anything. Just thought I’d point this out.
Rexhudler86
He did before, and it wasn’t tommy John. It was internal brace surgery. It has a quicker recovery time.
showmebb
The Royals have 30 mil to spend so I have them signing Ohtani at 20 years for 500 mil which leaves them 5 this year for a reliever.
James Midway
Most teams don’t want to pay 500-600M for anyone. His pitching moving forward is in question. I’m sure he will still be a stellar hitter, but when the pitching side is a question mark I think that plays into most club’s valuation of him.
Seaver rules
Dodgers or Giants
gfan
Giants 8/560
baseballpun
I think it’s interesting that the Blue Jays seem to be the only non-West Coast team in the running.
Candlestoked
Toronto IS on the west coast. Of Lake Ontario!
nrd1138
Im guessing Cubs and Blue Jays are just being used to drive up the price, I would be surprised to see Ohtani leave the West coast. Cubs fans should be used to it by now, same with White Sox fans. Unfortunately, Chicago is only used as a bargaining chip to increase the price for most players.
Bryzzo2016
The Cubs have historically had no issue getting stud FAs in their prime to sign. But yes, a very different story on the Southside. The last stud FA in his prime was almost 30 years ago, Albert(Joey?) Belle and dude was literally crazy.
imgman09
0%htani
Catuli Carl
If he signs with the Dodgers it will be the most boring FA signing in the history of baseball. For non-Dodgers fans, obviously.
BlueSkies_LA
Thank you for this fascinating comment!
Catuli Carl
You’re welcome.
acoss13
I don’t have a lot of hope of the Cubs landing him, but I’ll still hold out a tiny glimmer, but I’m ready to be letdown.
Catuli Carl
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iml12
Oof.. Hello Cody?
Aaron Sapoznik
It should be noted that Jed Hoyer, the Cubs president of baseball operations, was absent from the Winter Meetings early Monday due to a “personal” matter. Instead GM Carter Hawkins held court with Cubs media for a half-hour on Monday night from within the Cubs’ suite at the Gaylord Opryland Resort on Day 1 of the Nashville Winter Meetings. (mlb.com/cubs/news/cubs-preparing-for-shohei-ohtani…)
Sound familiar? This is similar what occurred with Blue Jays GM Ross Atkins on Monday when he was noticeably absent from the site of the Winter Meetings, allegedly to conduct an interview with Ohtani at the clubs spring training base in Dunedin, Florida.
Steve E.
The BoSox are passing? But O’Tani is the greatest Irish player in MLB history.
Deez Cardinals
He will either land in LA as a Dodger or an Angel. Anywhere else is a long shot to me. If I had to pick I say he ends up a Dodger it just makes to much sense.
Teamspirit
Shohei wants a guarantee that he will continue to be a two-way player, have his interpreter with him at all times, coordinate his own work-outs, and determine his fitness for playing every game. The Angels spoiled him.
CardsFan57
The next team will spoil him as well.
clausen366@gmail.com 2
I’m at the point that I no longer care. someone will way overpay for a DH. he won’t pitch again until he’s 32 and who knows if he’ll be any good . it might be that someone pays him 50-60 million a year and all they get is a DH over the life of the contract.
John Bird
If you have money anywhere is nice.
Aaron Sapoznik
Perhaps it’s time to implement Plan B, C & D. The Cubs might be able to execute all of them for the same cost as one unicorn. ⚾️
Catuli Carl
Bellinger, Glasnow, Candelario or Chapman (whoever will take the shorter deal), and some cheap relievers. That’s my guess.
acoss13
Would rather have Candelario at 3B over Chapman. Chapman has put up some rather pedestrian numbers as of late…
jhanley108
Seems everyone on the internet has a podcast or is living in a fantasy to be a reporter, broadcaster or sports influencer but zero baseball IQ. The hyperventilating hyperbole and hand wringing is however nice to see in Chicago.
BlueSkies_LA
Peter Piper wants his peppers picked.
DBH1969
As a Sox fan, I pray he lands in Toronto. That albatross of a contract will decimate a rival’s payroll flexibility for the next decade+
Joe Carters walkoff
The difference between Toronto and most MLB teams is the Jays are owned by a multi billion $ corporation. Ohtanis pay wouldn’t be coming out of 1 guy or a few guys pockets. The Jays could probably handle it more then most teams
drasco036
I expected Ricketts to pull out all the stops to sign that cash cow but if they Cubs don’t land Ohtani (fingers crossed)
Bellinger
Imanaga
Robertson
And trade for Tatis
Do what you have to to move Smyly and Bote to clear that 15 million.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Shake shake shake. Shake shake shake. Shake your Bote
acoss13
Ohtani would be a huge cash cow in Chicago’s market. We are fiercely loyal to our players, we’d be buying up all kinds of merchandise that Ohtani endorsed, not unlike when Jordan was with the Bulls. Ohtani already has a deal with New Balance too…
desertbull
Isnt Nightingale the same guy that said Counsell was going to the Mets?
pkels2
Yes.
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Chicks dig bunting
Good going cubs saved alot of money 600 mil for a 30 year old DH. Two tj surgeries to boot. Won’t pitch again probably if so not near what he was and if he pitches again it will be in 2 years so 32.now other teams go over spend
This one belongs to the Reds
He’s only going to go somewhere with a comfortable support system. Sorry but tried to enlighten folks he’s a different cat than the usual ones.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Good point. Alsk note most cats are different. Why they’re cats. They should change the expression to dog, since dogs are part of a pack, and you’re looking to break out of a herd mentality by being different. But I digress. Oh look- car!
Jean Matrac
You make a good point, but I’d like to point SQUIRREL!
CentralFan71
I have to admit, as a Cubs fan, I am glad we are not going to sign Shohei. He is an AMAZING player, but I would much rather have Bellinger, Chapman and Hader for the same financial commitment. Then deal from their quality farm system and trade for Dylan Cease, a former Cubs prospect. Also trade for Shane Beiber. Madrigal can be in either of those trades, along with Canario or PCA. Need to keep one of those two. The Sox and Guardians would probably take cash in the deals to limit the top prospects the Cubs have to send over. I would love to trade for Pete Alonso too but he is a free agent next year. I would just wait a year to sign him and play Bellinger there part time and a Mervis or Wisdom there the other times when Cody plays CF. I think the DH is Morel/Suzuki/Gomes this year.
Sign a couple solid bullpen pieces and we are set with a very nice rotation, top of the line closer and good lineup with plenty of youth and veteran combination. Alzolay can slide to the 8th inning role and all we need to do is be leading after 7 innings and GAME OVER! Go Cubs Go!
bootsday29
Nightingale only prints what Jerry R. tells him to print. You can bet the White Sox don’t want Ohtani playing on the north side.
Not the real Sports Pope
Yeah because in 2023 the world isn’t at everybody’s fingertips to share information. This isn’t the 70’s anymore
hook316
Shift to Chapman and Hoskins. Solid.
norcalblue
If he truly wants to win, and that’s his highest priority, he’ll go to the Dodgers. If he wants to be comfortable and not change his life because his life is really good and because they will allow him to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it he will stay with the Angels. If he’s attracted to a great hitter’s park, setting personal records and the extraordinary Japanese and Asian culture in a city, he might go to Toronto. The only reason he’d go to the Giants would be it’s the shortest flight from Japan.
soccer_ref
Simple
Cubs. No. Won’t spend the money and would rather have 3 good players than just one. Horrible weather. Would put up stupid numbers but just don’t see it
Blue Jays. Get trashed by the Yankees and Rays and the Orioles are going to be the best team in baseball in the next few seasons
Giants. Why go to a team where your HR numbers will tank. And you will get crushed by the Dodgers and Padres all the time
Dodgers. Have the money for sure. Can’t win in the playoffs. Plus. Can’t wait to see the look on his face when the worst manager in baseball pulls him in the 4th inning when he has 7 strikeouts on 53 pitches and a 5-1 lead when he walks the lead off hitter. Because Freedman and the Analytics said too.
Angels. Let’s see
Bad Owner but willing to spend
New manager that players love
Best player in baseball protection in the lineup if he is healthy
Same doctors and rehab team he is familiar with to rehab the arm
Beloved already
Do not need to upend his life
Lastly so cal like the dodgers. Endorsements up the yin Yang
BLIN7Y
OHTANI…Boo-Hoo
Great Player but in my opinion a Prima Donna.
This is the Major Event during MLB’s off-season. This is a time to attract interest in the Game.
We have a chance to see a Record-Breaking Deal Involving a Player with a Skill Set not seen since Babe Ruth…YET…He wants to Hide from the Public…Really?
Understand wanting some Privacy but you gave that up when you became a Celebrity. You are News and the Public wants to know what’s going on besides what New Balance Shoe you’re wearing. JMO
Moneyballer
This is to letdown all the delusional cubs fans nice and easy. The correct title should read “cubs out, settling for hoskins” – cuts through all the bs.
chadlismyname
We’re believing Bob Nightingale now?
TennVol
Hmm, why do I think the Jays will sneak in there with some 13/600M deal and the Dodgers will not budge on 11/500 banking on him wanting to stay on the West Coast and he ends up going Jays. Just a weird feeling there.
settledownitsjustagame
Nightengale is just desperate to have a story when there is none. The credibility of this story was “waned” when his name was attached to it.
Chicks dig bunting
Lol he needs a support system water what about shrink. Maybe a pacifier to go with it
GSWfanklay
Giants Giants Giants