For the past six weeks, the offseason has centered on three individuals: Shohei Ohtani, Juan Soto and Yoshinobu Yamamoto. With the first two having found new homes and Yamamoto expected to choose his team within a week or two, there’s likely to be greater attention placed on Cody Bellinger.
MLBTR’s #2 free agent entering the winter, Bellinger has had a quiet offseason since declining his end of a mutual option and rejecting a qualifying offer from the Cubs. Early reports tied the lefty-hitting center fielder to the Yankees, Giants and Blue Jays. The incumbents have some amount of interest in a reunion, although the presence of highly-regarded rookie Pete Crow-Armstrong gives them leverage to pass on what’s surely still a lofty asking price.
Last week, the New York Post’s Jon Heyman wrote that Bellinger’s camp at the Boras Corporation were seeking to reach or surpass $200MM. Yet it’s fair to presume that the former MVP’s market has dwindled over the past month. Along with Soto, the Yankees acquired Alex Verdugo and Trent Grisham to join Aaron Judge in the outfield. San Francisco signed Jung Hoo Lee to play center field instead. That knocks out the two teams widely perceived as the favorites. (At the beginning of the offseason, every MLBTR staffer pegged the Giants or Yankees as Bellinger’s landing spot in our Free Agent prediction contest.)
Where does that leave things for the two-time All-Star?
Likeliest Fits
- Angels: It’s difficult to identify exactly where the Angels go from here. Los Angeles has thus far limited its offseason activity to a trio of low-cost middle relief additions (Luis García, Adam Cimber and Adam Kolarek). Ohtani was their top priority. After losing him, they’ll need to determine how aggressively to add to a roster that won only 73 games despite his MVP performance. GM Perry Minasian and new skipper Ron Washington have been clear they’re not about to rebuild. Bringing in a front-line starting pitcher appears the top priority, but they’ll also need to address a lineup that ranked 16th in runs and lost a .304/.412/.654 hitter. Bellinger would give the Angels an option to cover center field if Mike Trout needs any time on the injured list. He’d push Mickey Moniak to a fourth outfield role and could take some of the available DH at-bats. He’s also a marquee name who starred in Los Angeles, which could hold appeal to owner Arte Moreno.
- Blue Jays: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote over the weekend that the Jays looked like the top suitor for Bellinger. It’s not hard to see why. The Jays came up empty on their pursuits of Ohtani and Soto. While no one would consider Bellinger the same kind of upgrade, Toronto still has ample short-term payroll space and a need for a left-handed bat. They’re also without a clear answer in center field after Kevin Kiermaier hit free agency. The Jays could sign a corner outfielder and bump Daulton Varsho to center (or simply try to re-sign Kiermaier), but Bellinger is the best all-around position player on the open market.
- Cubs: Bellinger was among the Cubs’ most valuable players a season ago. While they may have initially viewed him as a one-year stopgap to Crow-Armstrong, there’s an argument for bringing him back. The Cubs don’t have a clear option at first base, where Bellinger is a plus defender. His ability to play all three outfield spots would afford the organization the flexibility to start Crow-Armstrong in Triple-A (where he struck out at a concerning rate in 34 games last season) without needing to rely on journeyman Mike Tauchman to maintain his surprisingly strong form from 2023. Even if Tauchman and/or Crow-Armstrong prove deserving of everyday playing time, the Cubs could rotate Ian Happ and Seiya Suzuki through designated hitter to keep their outfield fresh.
Longer Shots
- Mets: New York could upgrade over either Starling Marte or DJ Stewart in the corner outfield. There’s room for Bellinger to join Brandon Nimmo as a long-term outfield investment, but it doesn’t seem that’s how the front office is approaching this winter. The Mets are in on Yamamoto but appear to view him as an exceptional case in what’d otherwise be a relatively quiet offseason as they focus primarily on 2025.
- Nationals: While Washington isn’t an immediate contender, they could make a legitimate push for the playoffs by the ’25 season. Bellinger, who turned 28 in July, would still project as a productive player during that window. The Nats have top outfield prospects Dylan Crews and James Wood looming, but only Lane Thomas should have a short-term spot locked down. The Nationals struck early on the Jayson Werth signing to accelerate a rebuild a decade ago. There’d be some sense in doing that again, but they’ve been fairly quiet in recent offseasons and still have organizational uncertainty regarding their local TV deal as part of the contentious MASN arrangement with the Orioles.
- Phillies: Philadelphia is involved on Yamamoto, suggesting an ability to stretch the budget for the right player. Whether Bellinger qualifies isn’t clear. Brandon Marsh is a solid center field option, while the Phils have Johan Rojas and Cristian Pache as options for the corner opposite Nick Castellanos. It’s not a terrible outfield, but it’s also perhaps the weakest area of an otherwise excellent roster. The Phils haven’t shied away from pursuing star talent under owner John Middleton and president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski.
Payroll Questions
- Mariners: Seattle is likely to bring in at least one outfielder to join Julio Rodríguez and a group that otherwise consists of players like Dominic Canzone, Taylor Trammell and Sam Haggerty. Bellinger fits on the roster, but the M’s have thus far sliced payroll amidst uncertainty about the revenues from their local TV deal with Root Sports. President of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto hasn’t signed a free agent hitter to a multi-year contract in his eight-plus years leading the Seattle front office. Breaking that streak with Bellinger would be a massive shift in operating procedure.
- Padres: Much of what applies to the Mariners can be said about the Padres. They want to compete after a disappointing playoff miss. They need outfield help to do so. Yet they’re also facing questions about their broadcasting deal and have only cut payroll so far this offseason. With Lee’s six-year, $113MM deal pushing beyond their spending range, it’s hard to see how they could make Bellinger work.
- Rangers: The defending World Series winners could ostensibly make room for Bellinger, perhaps by trading incumbent center fielder Leody Taveras to address an injury-plagued rotation. GM Chris Young has suggested they’re unlikely to make the kind of free agent splash they have in prior offseasons, though, so it’s far likelier they stick with an internal group of Adolis García, Taveras and Evan Carter while awaiting the arrival of top prospect Wyatt Langford.
Whyme
Jays need a LF bat not CF. Varsho can’t hit well but his defense in CF is top notch. In 460ish innings he had 18 DRS. KK had the same amount in 980ish.
Joel P
Bellinger can play a corner and so can Varsho. The Jays need a lefty bat and have money to spend the fit might not be perfect but it’s close enough to perfect.
Whyme
Spending 200 mill on belli is foolish
Joel P
Yeah probably
Big whiffa
With all the payroll inflation I don’t think it’s too foolish to the right team and spot. He’d look great in philis line up ! Same w Jays. Put him in a strong lineup and he’ll live up to that contract
bullred
Yes too much risk. Let alone 200 Mil ++
walkish
Agree but maybe there is a bunch of deferrals that reduce the cap hit!
KCMOWHOA
To Jays
big_balls_mahoney
You mean like a dodger lineup?
niched
There’s only real payroll inflation when certain teams are involved, and they’re not involved on Bellinger it seems.
User 401527550
He will door back down to 2021 and 2022 production. I would be ver hesitant to say he would live up to any contract.
Best Screenname Ever
I agree that Bellinger is probably a stereotypical bad free agent buy – the guy with a good platform year whose underlying numbers – stats from preceding years, decline of hard hit% etc) all point to a fluke having occurred, but Toronto is a sad team in a sad spot. They’ve managed to use the expanded playoffs to get into the WC where they’ve been smoked. They can’t hit, Their pitching was solid this year but that’s unstable and their pitchers are aging. Manoah is a washout. Vlad Guerrero Jr is a washout, and soon Bichette will be gone. They’ve lost Belt who was the best hitter on a poor offensive team, as well as Chapman. I expect them to be fighting the Sox for bottom spot in the East after the Yankees’ offseason.
To make matters worse, as they head down the standings having fizzled during their ‘window’, they are renovating their multipurpose stadium and plan on charging real major league prices next year, which is hard for Canadians with their 75c dollar or whatever it’s worth. So the Canadians will be mad about having to pay up now and getting an inferior product.
But the worst thing is that the front office went after a guy out of their league in Ohtani which ended up blowing up in their faces. They had people going to the airport to greet Ohtani on a flight he of course wasn’t on and it was clear to them he never had any intention of signing there. So then they got mad at all the sports media for mentioning reality to them, because they want to see themselves as the big player that they’re not. The way it will work out is the fans will end up focusing their hate on the front office for having made Canada look stupid, but they won’t say that because it would be admitting how out of their league they were with Ohtani.
Fun times ahead! Will be plenty of laughs to watch from the outside.
cb19
Vlad isn’t a washout. He’s going to have a bounce back monster year. . Don’t let your hatred of Shatkins cloud your judgement.
BeastYork
I really hate this comment but the truth does hurt.
Rob Schumann
The Blue Jays made a huge mistake when they treated AA like a second class GM. They brought in the Cleveland steamer connection and let AA walk. Still not sure why they did that. Been stuck in neutral since then. I think they would have at least challenged for a championship had they kept him.
carllafong
Angels should not gamble with a big contract. There’s too many unknowns with Bellanger. Sign Justin Turner to DH and platoon at first and play a little third. Sign Teoscar Hernandez to play left. That’s two productive bats on one-year deals for no more than $25M. Spend the rest of your budget on pitching.
GRE
Can’t Agree with You more …Well said !! Vladdy is a wash up….The 2 Clowns running the show, this is a good as it gets .
GRE
Atkins is Shapiro’s carry on baggage…Both have never built an elite team ever …!
Yogajonny
The fit is gross, actually. Jays have no business wasting 200M+ on Belli. Let someone else make that mistake.
Rob Schumann
I was surprised Cashman wasn’t on a plane to Chicago the day free agency started looking to give Belli a 7/$200m contract. That way Rodon has a rehab buddy and someone to keep the Carl Pavano Memorial MRI Tube warm when he isn’t in it.
LordD99
If the Blue Jays sign Bellinger, he can play any OF position, and then he can replace Vlad at 1B after 2025, or replace Varsho if he doesn’t start hitting.
Yogajonny
Or he can be a $200M below replacement level player for 10 years. No thanks. I just don’t buy the hype. Plus, as a boras guy, he’s probably gonna sign late and f up the rest of jays “plans”.
pd14athletics
He’s 28, can play great defense in OF even CF and 1B, former GG, ROY and MVP, LHH, proven healthy from the injuries that wrecked his 2021-2022 seasons. I don’t think he will ever replicate his 2019 season, not because of his own performance, but because that was the juiced ball season. It feels odd to come off as a hype guy for Boras right now, but with what players go for right now, I viewed 200 as the floor and 250 the more likely amount. There’s some risk, of course. He’s also younger than most FA and his pedigree would often be seeking a much larger contract. I like the fit for a lot of teams, and really like him in Toronto.
vaderzim
I feel like Varsho had some of the worst luck robbing home runs last year.
I remember at least 3 occasions where I saw Varsho make a superb effort climbing or leaping at the wall, only for the ball to just barely sail over his glove.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is this just some random aside?
Tassix
Jays have a gold glove contender for CF in Varsho. Anyone who thinks the Jays don’t presently have a CF isn’t worth listening to.
The only reason he didn’t play there full time last was the Jays signed probably the best defensive CF of all time, or close to it, about the same time they completed the trade for Varsho.
If Varsho has to play the corner, they got fleeced hard by the D-backs.
JaysSinceBirth
He’s 100% a perfect match for Toronto. But 200 big ones is pretty steep.
deweybelongsinthehall
He’s not getting $200m. This probably ends up a JDM situation with him waiting it out and returning to the Cubs
Rob Schumann
I am thinking he signs a 4/5 year deal frontloaded a little bit with an opt out. See if he can repeat the 2023 season or if it was a fluke and 2021 is the true Bellinger. Only a desperate GM would give him $200m.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I’ve been saying that the Cubs don’t like going into far into the next CBA. Only Swanson is guaranteed for 2028 for them. I can see them offering 5/145 for Bellinger and arguing with Boras about what year 2 and 3 options may look like.
The Cubs got burned with Jason Heyward for 7/186, so for them to get to a 7th year on Bellinger there would have to be some protections.
Fljay073
Angels need to go after Snell & Bellinger if they do not want to rebuild.
Halo11Fan
Bellinger would be the perfect Angel get….then subsequent flop.
pohle
snell and belli would be cj wilson and josh hamilton all over again, and twice as expensive
Halo11Fan
CJ Wilson was worth his contract. I’d love to add a pitcher with CJ Wilson production.
One All Star Team and had 98 starts over 3 years.
fljay73
Maybe. Maybe not
99CaptainJudge99
@Halo11Fan- If you want a CJ Wilson type of pitcher, then it sounds like you would want Jordan Montgomery then. I do think the Halos would have to overspend to sign him though, but to have him pitch for you, for the next 6 years would be perfect for the Angels.
fljay73
Snell has 2 CY Young awards. Bellinger if he is healthy will be a productive hitter. $25-$30mil per x 5/6 years is where I fall with both players. Teams signing players in their early 30s into their 40s will be regretting those deals in about 6 years.
JoeBrady
Yes, but it was a 5-year contract, with a 96 ERA+.
Halo11Fan
If the cost is reasonable, yes.
But basically, CJ Wilson wasn’t the flop that some people think.
Big whiffa
Right ! Boras was like – he’s getting 200 mil bc he knows worse case he’ll talk the angels into signing him
Halos4Life
Moreno sign belly he’s a perfect fit they took show from us will take belly his going to repeat 2023 season
avenger65
Halos4Life: Only if Toronto puts baskets around their outfield walls.
stymeedone
The Angels don’t really have the option to rebuild. The farm is barren, and there is not enough talent to trade to bring in enough prospects.
Plugnplay
Bellinger would be Nice for the Angels as there 3rd piece. Only if the get a #1 SP, and a closer 1st.
It would take all 3 thou to put them into a contending team. It’s a big ask, but attainable if Arte truly wants to win. I don’t see why not, it could be had and stay under the CBT.
User 401527550
The Angles haven’t learned their lesson yet from signing these huge contracts to guys on the backend of their careers?
❤️ MuteButton
I agree that Bellinger would be a good addition to the Angels lineup. Unfortunately they have a history of overspending on long contracts. MLB trade rumors is forecasting 12 years for 268 million. If the Halos could get him for five or six years $25 mil/yr., then bite, if not – pass
Plugnplay
I agree Mutebutton, I wouldn’t have a problem with the 25m avv. But yeah, not more the 8 years. Only because, you do have to over pay in free agency.
FletcherFan69
The last thing the Angels need is to give up draft capital by signing volatile QO guys
Plugnplay
Somewhat agree Fletch, but “volatile” is your key word. Outside the top 10 picks in the first round, there all suspect, and have a high fail rate. But you would get this pick back by losing Ohtani.
FletcherFan69
Volatile was in reference to Bellinger and Snell.
Regardless of the bust rate of prospects, there’s still a lot of value in the picks and pool money that the Halos have eschewed in 3 of the past 4 drafts. More dart throws = higher chance of building a sustainable talent pipeline
Halos4Life
Absolutely belly is still young he learned from Hollywood Los Angeles too much of a party town! Basically he’s matured. They would shove it in the Dodgers face if this guy has a 40 home run season.
Rob Schumann
Seriously? Bellinger and Snell doesn’t even equal what they lost with Ohtani. Signing both of the maybe gets them to 75 wins. They need a full and complete teardown and rebuild. Send Trout somewhere he can actually get a ring. They keep trying to patch their holes with expensive vets and it’s definitely not working.
❤️ MuteButton
I think that might be what it takes. They had the two best players in the game and it didn’t net a championship. Seems like it’s time. Certainly seemed to work for the Astros.
Plugnplay
Seriously Rob? The whole trade Trout thing is so lazy and tiresome. I’d love to have your crystal ball thou with that 75 win max thou. Lol
TennVol
He had three straight bad years before his better year last year. But even last year had all kinds of red flags attached as his hard hit rate was in the bottom 10% or something like that in the league. Just don’t trust his performance last year to be a measure of his future performance. Jays should trade for someone like Kepler from Minnesota to take on LF as he is above avg in defense and offense and can plug the whole for a year while their best OF prospect, Roden, gets more experience at AAA next year.
Joel P
I have watched Bellinger play quite a bit. His swing is complicating. It has many moving parts and it’s easy to screw it up. If he’s a little banged up the swing doesn’t work. If his timing is off the swing doesn’t work. I think it’s fair to question his long term sustainability.
Kepler I believe is a good fit. But the Jays need an outfielder short and long term and if they want to spend then the only real choice is Bellinger.
spudchukar
Good analysis on Beli’s swing. Even when he was starring for the Bums I believed his success would regress over time. Too long.
❤️ MuteButton
His swing is very similar to that of Christian Yelich. Another guy who has been very up-and-down in his career
cb19
Their swings are both long. I’d much prefer Yelich’s swing. His swing is level and stays through the zone more. His hard contact percentage is off the charts and his contact and strike out rate is far less..
I think if Yelich just adjust his hands and shoulders at the set position a bit further back and can stay healthy he’s a .900 OPS bat again.
Yankee Clipper
He doesn’t fit the Yankees because he’s not a RFer.
Blue Baron
He can play all three OF spots.
Yankee Clipper
True, but the Yankees seem to be stockpiling those who can play primarily RF (Soto, Judge, Stanton, Verdugo…)
prov356
Hey Clip! Long time. Hope you’re well. Merry Christmas.
Yankee Clipper
Hey Prov, I hope all is well in TN for you brother. God Bless and Merry Christmas to you!
Perksy
Clip you’re back! Good to hear from you
deej
Verdugo can play LF.
Yankee Clipper
He can, but he’s a RFer.
slider32
Yanks have 3 prospects at the top of their list in Dominquez CF, Jones CF, and Periera LF. They don’t need another outfielder, Soto needs to be signed long term, Dugie is a place holder for one of them, most likely the Martian.
Chester Copperpot
I thought Soto played LF… so I looked it up. This is weird.
Soto has started 452 games in LF. He has started 452 games in RF too! He’s played 3,948.2 innings in LF and 3,865.2 inning in RF… a pretty even split for his career.
Just don’t call him a DH (14 starts).!
gardyparty
We don’t need him at all, thank goodness. We’ve got Judge, Soto, Verdugo, Grisham, and eventually, Dominguez. Bellinger screams “Ellsbury” to me. Nice player, though.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I agree. I don’t want Belli. Way too much money for a big question mark.
Blue Baron
But not enough pitching to beat Baltimore and Tampa.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, definitely need more pitching, if for nothing else than to hedge against the inevitable injuries. I’m still not 100% convinced our offense is good enough either, but it’s levels better already than it was last season. Heck, like 6 players from this past season’s roster went to the KBO…..
User 401527550
He would be a perfect Yankee. Long contract the fans have to complain about.
30 Parks
Yes, “if Mike Trout needs any time on the injured list” beyond his usual 8-10 weeks. Bellinger shows potential as another Moreno overpay.
prov356
Grab Bellinger, push Moniak to 4th outfielder, and trade Adell for a hot dog vendor and a janitor to be named later.
Halo11Fan
No way. Bellinger has flop written all over him. From head to toe
Let the kids play and see who they have. BUILD A BULLPEN!,,
prov356
I agree, but it’s just the kind of player Moreno has a history of signing for too much and too long after he low-balls the top free agent and misses out.
Legal disclaimer: I’m glad we didn’t spend that much to retain Ohtani. But my expectation was we would spend at least some of that money to revamp the bull pen and add a starter or three.
prov356
I just read this in the latest article from Bollinger:
“On how many starters they are looking to add:”
“You can never have enough, right? I think it’s less about the number and more about who it is and what they bring. And we like the five or six starters that we have.” (Minasian)
Translation: We’re not adding any starters this offseason.
Plugnplay
Prov, they don’t need to add 3 SP’s. They need to add a #1 SP locked up for a while. It probably won’t benefit them this year, but that should be the plan, or add no starers. They have enough mid to backend starters right now.
prov356
plug -you’re right one front end SP is probably all we need . I believe that’s the common theme when people discuss the Angels. We got 10 wins from Ohtani so we need to make those up. the BP is the main issue and we’ve done nothing impactful to improve there.
Halo11Fan
The Angels need to get a top of the rotation starter and two good bullpen pieces. Right now they have zero.
As far as the starting nine. They need to figure out what they don’t have before they figure out who to replace and who to bring.
No one knows which of the starting nine will succeed or fail. So what’s the point of guessing?
Blue Baron
The Angels need a lot more help than that, notably a decent farm system.
Halo11Fan
Sure. No question. Get a top of the rotation starter, build a bullpen, then see which of their starting 9 needs to be replaced.
The entire set is a huge question mark, and no one knows which will be answered in the affirmative or negative.
Blue Baron
I’m not an Angels fan, but they’re probably a fourth-place team even with a few new pitchers. Third place at best.
nukeg
@Blue Baron, you don’t need to tell us you’re not an Angels fan. You have Yankees fan written all over you. LOL.
Halo11Fan
Considering who is in the division, I can’t disagree.
There are so many question marks with team, i don’t know who to replace. Search for a foundation in 2024. Then see who you need to replace.
prov356
As we sit here today, I think we have a net increase in losses next season if we do nothing else.
Blue Baron
@nukeg: That’s funny. I’m not a Yankees fan either. LOL.
99CaptainJudge99
@nukeg- are you really sure? I was thinking he was a Philadelphia Phillies fan the whole time? Since his favorite color is red.
Blue Baron
Wrong again.
slider32
Agreed, they can’t make the same mistake again, they should have gobbled up the pitching like the Royals have done.
Perksy
They could sign Snell and Hader
Edub23
I’ve been going to Angels games for decades. I loved the Anaheim Angels, who won the World Series in 2002. Alot of home grown players who played with passion and didn’t make a ton of money.
Arte Moreno takes over in 2003 as owner and changes the team name to LA, and begins overpaying for free agent players… You’re never going to overtake or outspend the Dodgers in LA, so why even try? The farm system is literally the worst in MLB right now.
I went to a game last year just to see Shohei play. There’s no other reason to watch that team (he homered in a loss). The stadium is outdated, the sound system is crap, the team is boring. Crowd is half asleep. Complete opposite of when I was at Dodger Stadium last year, where it’s a vibrant crowd that expects to win (in the regular season).
Just a quick assessment, don’t go after Bellinger. That’s just another massive bad contract to go along with the one given to Trout.
Do WHATEVER you can to move Trout, even if it means eating close to $100 million of the $200+ million still left.
Start the rebuild. Get young talent and go after cheaper free agent options. Get quality starting pitching with reasonable contracts… By reasonable, I mean nothing longer than 4 years or over $80 million.
There’s quality bats still out there.
Lastly, change the name back to the Anaheim Angels.
Blue Baron
I attended four games there in 1994. I think the ballpark was outdated then.
Edub23
Blue Baron, right now the Angels are about in as bad of shape as the A’s. The A’s looked much better than the Angels over the last month of the season in 2023. That’s the reality.
If I’m GM, I at least kick the tires on Imanaga. I take a look at Ryu and/or Lorenzen. Take a look at Neris as a closer and see what David Robertson is asking for. Lock down the 7th, 8th and 9th.
There’s still some quality bats left that aren’t going to bankrupt the team.
Can fill some holes in the OF fairly cheap. Give Rendon one more chance in 2024 and if he doesn’t deliver, then eat the remaining $77 million for 2025-2026.
math
It’s easy to forget how old that stadium is. 4th-oldest in the league and coming up on its 60th birthday.
slider32
I met Gene Autry when I was drafted by them in 1967!
its_happening
Angels need a full rebuild.
rct
Not sure if he fits what the Mets are doing. They’re likely going to spend a lot on a pitcher this offseason and (regardless of whether or not it’ll be worth it) may extend Pete Alonso as well. That’s a lot of money even without a massive Bellinger deal, especially since they have a few prospects (Gilbert, Jett Williams, Ryan Clifford, Alex Ramirez, technically Mauricio) to plug into the OF over the next few years. But who knows? They were willing to sign Correa last year despite it not being a position of need.
horaceallen
I see no way the Mets make this move. If I had to guess the Mets go Yamamoto, Turner, two decent bullpen arms. If they miss Yamamoto, then Giolito. I think they are serious about a focus on ‘25 and ‘26.
nukeg
Angels were 56-51 as of August 1 and obviously made moves to get better (Giolito and Reyes). After that, they went 17-38 and were an injury plagued disaster.
Shohei was a huge part of those first 56 wins and that means filling that role on the mound (front line starter) and a power lefty. It’s this second part where I think Bellinger is prob the best fit. And I think Bellinger takes Wards spot, not Moniaks. Ward is streaky and can’t hit at home (.201).
Blue Baron
@nukeg: The Angels can finish fourth with or without Bellinger, so I don’t know why they would spend the money on him.
nukeg
TBH, Bellinger being a Boras client would very much give me pause. However, the “fit” is there as they now need a power lefty to complement RH Trout. Standing back and saying “why bother” spend money is not fair to the fan base nor the players. I mentioned the Aug 1 record because fans and the media are like hamsters in we have like 3 second memories. The Angels were competitive and then the rails came off. Step 1 was hiring a manager that knows how to handle an entire season. Done. Now it’s finding the right player pieces. They need a power lefty. May or may not be Bellinger.
aragon
He can’t hit. And he will be worse with the Angels.
Halo11Fan
I can see why you like both Moniak and Bellinger. It’s because you ignore the underlying indicators and only look at the numbers on the back of a baseball card.
That’s a HUGE mistake.
nukeg
Just the opposite: the Angels don’t look at the numbers enough. If you want to talk indicators, I’ll sit down with you and go frame for frame on Wards bat on the shoulder, one-handed swing. It’s got more holes than your underwear. Moniak was a 1:1 for a reason. Sure there are improvements to be made, but he’s 5 years younger and has much more potential.
Halo11Fan
Just look at Moniak’s walk pct and his k to walk rate.
His success with those numbers is unsustainable.
Don’t look at the back of his baseball card. Belingers’s numbers are also not sustainable.
nukeg
I think that aggressive approach has more to do with him being 25 and trying to prove the Phillies wrong. I think Washington and his staff will be able to “teach” him the right approach you have to take every at bat.
I’m clearly not a fan of Wards game and although he’s seems to be a good dude, his swing and approach at the plate drive me nuts.
The Rangers and Astros had 90 wins. From the aforementioned 56-51 all star break record, the Angels would have needed to finish at 34-21. Wash and staff need to figure out how to get there now without Ohtani. A complete rethink of work ethic and expectations by the entire organization.
Halo11Fan
Whatever it is, something has to change. No baseball player can sustain success with those peripherals..
I’m pro giving Adel and Moniak a ton of ABs and then making a choice in 2025.
The Angels need to see what they have at virtually every position. And then adjust in 2025.
But build the pen, otherwise whatever chance they have will be gone.
stymeedone
@nukeg
I don’t know. I’m thinking Bellinger should fill the role of front line starter. It may not be the best fit, but its the biggest need. His pitching motion should be simpler to keep on point than his swing.
nukeg
@stymee, something tells me Scott Boras may actually quote you and try to sell him as a two-way player.
DugoutJester
If I was a betting man I would say Blue Jays, but I also would not be the slightest bit surprised if the Phillies end up landing Cody.
Unclemike1525
I’d be completely amazed if the Phillies go anywhere near Bellinger. With Marsh in CF and Harper a FT 1B now it would be a complete waste of money.
DugoutJester
They’ve done crazier things and obviously want to spend… thus I wouldn’t be surprised.
PhilliesFan91
They can move Marsh to LF but if the phillies go for a bat , they need another right handed bat since they are not bringing Rhys back.
drasco036
I don’t see the Phillies signing Bellinger but it definitely would not be a waste of money.
So many people think for Bellinger it’s CF or first but Bellingers gold glove came as a corner outfielder. Marsh and Bellie, pushing either Castellanos or Schwaber to DH.
It would be a premium on a luxury with risk but it’s feasible.
Unclemike1525
Jed seems perfectly willing to either sign Bellinger for his price or let him walk.They have some things to do first like figure out the bullpen and a 5th starter IMO but I doubt if PCA is the only person they’re considering. I’m hoping they’re looking at short term answers for CF though if they don’t think Bellinger is a long term solution. It’s looking more and more like they’re perfectly willing to take the draft pick.
Joel P
The Cubs have needs an outfielder really isn’t one of them. Perhaps a short term outfielder but not a long term one. Cubs can spend their money on pitching and corner infield that makes more sense.
Unclemike1525
Canario can play CF. Tauchman is a reliable sub who I kinda doubt has another year like last year. Maybe they platoon. I actually floated an idea before that I gave up on but now I might float it again. maybe they sign Harrison Bader on a cheap prove it deal where if he gets hurt again or bombs out it’s not a big deal. It’s looking more and more like the Cubs path to getting better is through trades more than FA. Hawkins finally said something today that turned out to be nothing but more pablum and cliches than anything but it’s something.
Joel P
Bader is like Kiermaier he’s good if he’s healthy. Sign Chapman trade for Cease or Bieber and that would be a really good start.
Unclemike1525
It does seem to me that the Cubs and Cleveland match up really nicely for some kind of trade. The Guards want to lose Bieber, Clase and I heard Naylor the 1B but don’t know if I believe that. Cubs have some controlled arms like Brown, Assad and Wicks that can be tossed around. It does seem what they’re selling is what the Cubs are needing.
drasco036
For me, I’d make an offer on Ramirez, Bieber and Naylor that includes Straw because the Guardians would love to get out from underneath his deal.
I’d make the Guardians convince me they flat out refuse to deal Ramirez because I think, just the Padres and Tatis, anyone is available.
The only player to me that I wouldn’t consider dealing is Horton, but if the Cubs are offering up PCA, Morel, Wicks, Canario, Brown, either Caissie or Alcantara and more lesser guys, the top heaviness of the offer would at least get some consideration.
Unclemike1525
Except for the same poison pill the Cubs have. Ramirez has an NTC same as Suzuki and Happ. Plus Ramirez supposedly INSISTED on it because he wants to go nowhere. So better look somewhere else bro.
drasco036
Players get traded with NTC every single season so don’t throw a no trade clause around like it’s a deal breaker.
Unclemike1525
It is if the guy who has it says no. It can only be done if the guy who has it WANTS to go. And Ramirez has said multiple times he’s not leaving.
drasco036
And that would be on him, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try. Fact is, things change every year and it’s one thing when your team is in contention every year, it’s another when you get tired of the cost cutting and seeing your friends and teammates shipped out of town. It’s even more when you know the general manager and the team interested in trading for you wants to move a couple other people from the organization as well. And it’s also another thing when your long time manager retires.
Unclemike1525
OK. BTW just asking, What could the Cubs possibly want with Straw? He’s a 9th wheel. He’s not even close to being a 5th wheel. You know why Cleveland wants to get rid of him? He blows. Isn’t Jed eating enough money for you? No offense, Just askin.
drasco036
It’s a way to facilitate the trade. Cleveland wants out from under Straws contract which helps the Cubs.
Eating money isn’t that big of a deal with Straw considering the surplus value in Ramirez and Naylor and didn’t you “float the idea” of Harrison Bader?? Straw is a fantastic defender and can stay on the field.
Unclemike1525
Yeah but so is PCA so if you want a defensive CF who probably can’t hit MLB pitching you already have a cheap one in PCA. I say Nyet to any part of Straw. If you can get Bader for 1 year at 5 million who cares if he gets hurt. Straw is signed thru 2027.
drasco036
Just never mind. Apparently it’s too early for you to follow a thread.
Fred K. Burke
A fifth starter is not needed. The Cubs currently have plenty of 5th starters to choose from. Smyle, Assad, Wicks, Wesnewski. Plus some pitchers in the pipeline. They need a 2-3. That’s if you consider Steele being a number 1.
Joel P
Who said anything about a 5th starter?
Fred K. Burke
Joel P. Scroll above and read Unclemikes original comment. Read all comments carefully before responding. We see enough of those types of individuals.
Joel P
Welcome to ignore Fred. Good lord it’s a baseball discussion. You in a bad mood? Guess I will never know….
Fred K. Burke
Not in a bad mood at all Joel P. I answered your question and stated a fact.
Unclemike1525
My original comment said that the Cubs needed a 5th Starter. Not a #5 starter. They need a starter better than Hendricks. There’s a difference between a 5th starter and a #5 starter. If the Cubs were in the Playoffs right now their starters would be Steele, Tallion and Hendricks.
drasco036
Hoskins and Chapman are fine consolation prizes to Bellinger although I’m not a huge Chapman fan.
If the Cubs could add both those guys plus a solid top half of the rotation starter they would be in decent shape.
I’d rather address the need, if there is one, for late inning relief during the season. I really like Alzolay and I want to see if Counsell and co. can develop another guy because we have a lot of interesting arms that can reduce the need. Wesneski is valuable in long relief but I also think he’d could be an asset in high leverage roles, same with Thompson if the Cubs can get him back on track.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Kinda crazy how a guy like Bellinger, who’s predicted to get around 8 years/$200M, who’s got a ROY and an MVP, who was in the top-10 of MVP votes last year, seems like the odd man out.
It really does seem like there’s no good fit for him on any team and that the logical conclusion is for him to stay with the Cubs, who probably don’t want to give him anywhere near 8 years/$200M to stick around and nobody else does either.
But here’s the thing- there are guys who seem to stumble backwards into multiple long term lucrative deals while having very inconsistent performances, while there are other guys who are very consistent and valuable and can only get 1-3 years at a time their entire careers, at mid-market values.
If Bellinger is such a high upside guy who *might* be worth $200M over 8 years, but then again might not, why not sign for 2 years/$60M or something, believing that even in a somewhat disappointing outcome, he could probably still secure another 1 year/$16M deal or 2 years/$40M etc and could string together around 8 years/$200M, or possibly more by getting higher AAV’s on the shorter term pacts, via 3-4 different contracts?
Unclemike1525
The whole league has seen the the 2 and 1/2 bad years and one good one. Bellinger bet on himself but still it’s only 1 good year out of 3. Plus he got dinged up a couple of times with the Cubs last year. Nothing major but still. I think the Cubs are trying to get him to take a 2 year deal to prove himself durable but he’s not gonna want that but it might be all he gets. He should think about it though because more AAV for 2 years still leaves him at 30 with a longer resume’ to draw from. It looks like everybody is out on the 200 million thing.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah. I think he’s better off angling for another 1 year deal and then arguing for like 2 years with a player/team/vesting option after that and going that 1-2 year route the rest of his career, for better or worse.
As I said earlier, for whatever reason, he seems like the type who will disappoint on a straight up 8 year deal, but could string together 8 years on 1-3 year deals for the same if not more guaranteed money overall, with higher AAV’s on those shorter term pacts.
8 years/$200M in one deal can become 8 years/$230M across multiple deals where the shorter terms make the higher AAV palatable over the 8 year period.
Unclemike1525
8 for 200 is 25 million a year. What if they offered him 2 for 60 with a mutual option for a 3rd year? Then he’d be 30 and have another go at FA if it’s not picked up. He’s running out of options. People are balking at his price and LH bats are being traded all over the league.
nukeg
Scott Boras is Bellinger’s agent. He may slow play this out at his typical excruciating pace.
PutPeteinthehall
It will have to wait until beginning of March for Boras to panic and have him sign a one to four year deal with an opt out after a year if it’s multi year. Boras sometimes overplays his hand. Starting to look like it if Arte isn’t his sucker. Toronto and CHC aren’t going eight years. SF, and NYY already got their outfielders. Id find it hard to believe there is another team not mentioned above that has 200m and wants to give it to him.
Tigers3232
@Trillionaire, why would Bellinger risk going repeated free agency’s?? This free agent class is pretty thin with position players. This is an optimal time for him to sign a longterm deal.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I am saying he seems like someone people are wary of signing to say, 8 years/$200M, but if he continues to be productive, he has a better chance at multiple 2 year deals totaling up to $240M or something.
In other words:
A lot of teams might be comfortable signing him for 2 years/$50M or 2 years/$60M multiple times over the next 8 years, but almost no team seems comfortable signing him to 8 years/$160M-$200M right now.
It’s this weird phenomenon where teams would be hesitant or concerned about an 8 year deal but most would be fine with or see a surplus value in a series of 2 year deals that could wind up being more lucrative in total than an 8 year deal would have been.
Tigers3232
“Could” means possibly. There’s a reason the vast majority of the players in his situation are looking for multi year mega deals when the opportunity arises, security and peace of mind.
And I’m pretty sure some team is gonna pony up anywhere from $150-180M for him. Probably some incentives as well.
He’ll be going into his age 28 season he has won ROY, MVP, 2x Silver Slugger. And although he’s risky, he could also be a bargain if his woes are behind him.
Much of those woes are widely believed to be a combination of shoulder injury and his large swing. He worked on his swing last offseason and if you ve ever saw the video with last year overlaid on 2022 it looks much better. As for the shoulder, clearly any team making him an offer is going to be thoroughly examining him physically especially his shoulder.
I still see the Yankees as a great fit for him. Yes it ll be a bit of a log jam IF everyone is healthy, thats a big IF with how they ve faired health wise. It would give them depth and would have Rizzo replaced after this next season for roughly same AAV and they get 7 years younger with more versatility.
The Former Player
Crazy how it was so widely expected that Belli, Yamato, Soto and ohtani would all sign with the White Sox yet now it looks like they wont acquire any of them.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
It’s not craze because it was not widely expected.
Unclemike1525
Does your handler know you’re getting to the computer again? Thought they had stricter rules in an insane asylum.
The Former Player
Gammons, Blum, Axsia.
stymeedone
I read that the Angels were going to spend their Ohtani money on them, and trade Rendon and Fletcher for Soto. But now it doesn’t look like they will get any of them.
terry g
I’m not at all sure he fits any of the clubs mentioned. It’s feel like a forced fit to me. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him not get close to $200 M or even have to accept a show me one year deal. Takes a lot of faith to think he’s turned everything around. If I was a club owner I wouldn’t do it.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah he weirdly doesn’t seem like an obvious long term fit anywhere.
TrumboRedux
TTO, he is already an incredibly rich man. 2/60 is nothing to sneeze at. Then hit free agency again. Sounds good to me. If he plays well he gets a 300mil deal. Either way he’ll be worth over 100 million bucks.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
He’s not that rich yet- at least for his industry.
If you’re someone who was poised to earn around $15M extra in arbitration and lost out on that money, we’re poised at one point to get a $300M+ extension that would have started a year ago and that didn’t happen, the $51M+ he’s earned thus far probably feels psychologically disappointing and having to settle for 1 year/$25M or 2 years/$50M with no certainty about the future would probably be psychologically unappealing.
He’s a guy who will probably still put together another 4 years/$75M on successively smaller deals even if he burns out immediately and shows he has nothing left in the tank. That’s $126M lifetime. It’s a ton of money, sure.
But it’s kinda like how when you want a job any job is exciting and you are grateful for it, but once you’re securely in that job, you might want to figure out how to earn promotions, raises etc and having a certain salary is frustrating when you feel you should have a better salary, even though you initially just wanted a job and any income.
Status quo’s change. People mentally adjust to their income levels and aspire to more, in principle, even if they’re already doing great.
Like you might get an entry level job, feel stuck, get promotions, get poached by accompany and start earning six figures etc and if you’re there long enough, you’ll adjust to that and possibly want a promotion that would pay half a million- even though a few years ago you were just trying to get anything that paid minimum wage.
I understand if Bellinger is frustrated, relative to the hype and expectations and his initial ascension vs where his career is at now, even if he does end up making a “disappointing” $130M lifetime from baseball- that would be frustrating if all signs and prognostications indicated he was on an initial path to be earning $400M.
darthdragula
If I’m an owner and some moron from the front office(and they would have to be) comes to me and says they think we should give Cody Bellinger $200 million I’m firing them right on the spot. I can see him getting 100 on a 4 year deal but it wouldn’t be from me. If he can put a couple more seasons up like he did last year, I’ll be surprised. He’s a good bat and base runner and a very good and versatile fielder but his last 3 years in L.A clearly shows that he’s not a guy that can be trusted to bring production consistently. 200 million? To quote the hangman John Ruth….makes me wanna horse laugh!
desertbull
The Cubs will view him as primarily a 1B long term. Obviously as a 1B, his contract will fall below what Freeman, Goldschmidt and Olson’s received. Somewhere in $21M per year AAV.
No way he is getting $200m unless you want to give him 10 years. No thanks.
luvochka
You know you always read about overpays here, and this is one of those cases where it’s easy to say it. But overpays can only be called that if a lot of guys of equal value are getting less. If everyone is getting overpaid it’s not overpaying it is simply the market.
MWMet
Id be hesitant to hand over $200 million, he did great last year and might prove people wrong but still feels a little steep. I think the Jays seem like the best fit.
MWMet
I can see the Jays being the best fit.
bestone
As a Jays fan, please “no thanks”….dollar for dollar, he’d have to vastly outperform the rest of the young guns, and it seems like once he secured a contract the old ways from a couple of years ago would surface. Seems like it wouldn’t work from a chemistry viewpoint. Would rather have seen Lourdes come back with Teoscar. . (But management thought the team wasn’t serious enough)…
KamKid
As a Jay fan, I don’t at all like this idea. For a couple of reasons. One is that his price tag is largely influenced by his CF ability and we just watched the Jays devalue Varsho (and by extension Moreno) by playing him in LF. They still have three years of control of Varsho. So CF isn’t a huge need (they do need a CF capable fourth OF though). The Jays need multiple position players and the reporting locally is that they only have about $45-$50m in ‘24 payroll space to address those needs. Bellinger would take up a big chunk of that leaving them short to address other positions. And then he’d immediately be devalued by playing him in LF.
The Blue Jays lost their second pick by signing Bassitt in last year’s draft so had a tiny bonus pool to work with. Just over $5m last year. They do get compensation for Chapman but because they were a CBT payor, it slides way down. Signing Bellinger would cost them another pick. Toronto’s farm isn’t well regarded as it is.
From a lineup fit, they already have a lot of aggressive put the ball in play types. They could use more on base like Belt gave them or more importantly power in the lineup. Bellinger is too reliant on high BABIPs for his on base and for a guy who hits the ball softly in the air, I don’t trust that .319 BABIP. While he does offer some moderate power production, I also don’t know that it will play that well in that park. Look at some of the Jays’ batted ball metrics last year and see the number of warning track outs made. He’s not really even a pull the ball in the air guy like Bregman and Altuve. He uses the big part of the park in the air which makes it hard to believe he’s going to maintain the 14.1% HR/FB rates when that’s similar to Vlad’s who hits the ball a ton harder than him or way outpaced Chapman’s who hits the ball as hard as anyone.
I’d rather just pay a left field price tag for a left fielder with the on base and moderate power even if it is through trade for a guy like Kepler. And also just buy purely offense in the form of power from a DH profile type like Soler.
taco guy
Bellinger is a perfect fit for Anaheim since they do need another albatross of a contract to fit alongside of Rendon and Trout. They have below average pitching and even adding Snell doesn’t change them from being a 75 win team. Team seriously needs a proper rebuild.
Tigers3232
Trout’s contract will easily pay for itself and then some. Any on field production is a bonus. He was the most marketable player in the game til Ohtani’s emergence. Even so he is still very marketable.
As for Rendon, yes it has worked out horribly. But everyone judging in hindsight as if it was a huge mistake at time of signing couldn’t be more wrong. At time of signing he had averaged 146 games played for the 4 seasons prior. In those 4 seasons the lowest he ranked in MVP voting was 11th and the other 3 seasons all top 10.
PhilliesFan91
After the angels lost Ohtani , If I was Trout I would just ask for a trade. He’s not gonna win there. Moreno has failed to put a legit rotation together for them to win. The last time they made the playoffs they had solid pitching with a deep bullpen , but disappeared in the three games.
aragon
He willbe even worse than rendon at the Angels. besides, why sign him when you have trout?
Jake1972
If he plays for the Cubs next year it will be first base.
Max, he gets is 100 to 125 million over five years.
stymeedone
I’m thinking Two year with an opt out. I think both Bellinger and Chapman at 3B will find it difficult to get the years they are hoping for.
PutPeteinthehall
I was thinking same that Boras will come back begging in March and try to get 110/4 with an opt out or two. Also that he’s a first baseman. Cubs will roll with Tauchman and PCA in center and somehow get a third baseman. They might go the cheap route and retain Morel and try him again at the hot corner too.
BrianStrowman9
They’ll get $100+MM w/ opt outs. I don’t see the ridiculous ask on Belli to met but they’ll eventually pivot to something like that.
CaseyAbell
There’s a reason that everybody expects Bellinger to sign late. Boras needs time to gin up a bidding war to get close to that $200 million.
Trouble is, who’s going to be bidding? Everybody saw the 2021-22 train wreck and everybody’s scared of getting that Bellinger on a long costly contract.
I’m starting to think that Bellinger may have to take a much shorter prove-it contract. The big payday may have to wait a while. But we’ll see. It only takes one owner to panic about not doing enough in the off-season. Bellinger might still get the 200 mill.
aragon
Hope it is not Arte.
gardyparty
I’d stay away altogether outside of a short-term deal. Beautiful swing, though.
Mike Adamson
Somebody ending up with a bad contract! Looking at his numbers over the past few years, Wrigley helped him big time and isn’t worth his contract demands
Spotswood
“Wrigley helped him big time”
It did not. His splits were nearly identical.
His road splits: .311/.358/.502
Did you even look?
Stevil
The Mariners shed payroll so that they can afford better options where they need to improve. Though I’d be surprised if they landed Bellinger, they aren’t likely starting the season with a payroll of 113m, which is roughly where they’re at right now. I believe Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times suggested that he believed payroll would likely be more than what we saw in 2023, but probably no more than 150m, if I remember correctly. Let’s say it’s in the middle at 145m. That would give them around 30-32m to work with.
Worth noting, Francys Romero reported earlier that the Mariners are the ‘most active team for Cuban OF/DH Jorge Soler, per source’.
Seattle can afford Bellinger. But somehow, it still feels more likely that they’ll end up trading for the regulars they need and maybe sign Grichuk to platoon a corner with Canzone.
RKOCle
He would do a world of good for the Guardians but they’re never paying him
PutPeteinthehall
Never ever. Besides they have Straw.
padam
Angels would make sense …replacing Ohtani with another bad contract. Mets would make sense as he could replace Alonso if a trade is made at the deadline or can’t sign him during the season.
kidnova
In no scenario does Bellinger make sense for the Rangers.
Texassooner
If the Angels sign Bellinger, it will prove that 2023 was an anomaly, since the Angels ALWAYS go from one bad contract to another.
batteryoutlet
Cubs entire history seems to point to that they will not pay over 180 for any player. maybe push that to 200 but i doubt they offer that to Belli
metalhead
Bellinger will tank before the ink dries on the contract.
cpdpoet
Over / under for when Boras hints at collusion?
Ezpkns34
I think a long term deal for Bellinger would be a bad move, so I assume the Angels will do it
Old York
There is no perfect fit for an expensive contract that never works out for the team and fans.
sfjackcoke
Bellinger in young, is a quality defensive player in all OF positions and at 1B. That said he did A LOT of damage during the “juiced ball” era and true to Boras form the “ask” on Bellinger is large in year and $$$.
I do not thing the SF Giants are out, rather they’re focused on others as they know they can wait because that’s what Boras is doing, waiting. Their roster doesn’t have 2 corner OF’s or a 1B that Bellinger wouldn’t supplant. Rather the Giants are focused on Yamamoto as are multiple other teams and consider him a superior talent.
In addition to Yamamoto, I think the Giants might look at Chapman as a better roster fit on the field AND in terms of years & $$$’s Boras is not stupid but a huge wild card this off season is what the Bally/Diamond RSN bankruptcy is doing to the FA market. If ever there was a year waiting might not be a good idea it’s this one.
HatlessPete
I’m thinking similarly here. I’d say the odds are longer than I had them before the Lee signing but the giants could potentially use some of their current payroll flexibility to move/cut bait on other guys in their of mix to make space for belli. Particularly if they have any reservations about Lee as an everyday cf option with the glove and bellingers ability to play 1b adds to their ability to get different guys in the lineup and rotate dh at bats. If his price comes down that may make this idea more appealing for SF.
It’s
Out of no where possible destination… Cardinals
Goldschmidts deal is up after this year. Belli could play centerfield in 2024 and move to first after one season. A well put together contract could limit the cost this year and then use money currently allocated to Goldschmidt moving forward.
PutPeteinthehall
Cards aren’t paying this. Not happening
PutPeteinthehall
Or maybe better said -it’s not in the cards.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
Walker will be playing first base when Goldy retires.
jwacky
Just sign him to a huge 10 year deal and defer 97% of it. I’ve seen this get done.
Swag Dad
$200 million for him is crazy, but someone could jump. I’d say half that over 4 years and he’s doing backflips from where he was a year ago. The agents always have to ruin things.
Yanks2
Should go to the Mets if he wants to get paid
Fitzy
As an Angels fan please stay away from a mega contract for Bellinger. He had a nice rebound year but waaaay too big of a risk he regresses to his previous end of Dodgers years. You don’t need Rendon 2.0
Yanks2
Rendon couldn’t play if he tried. Bellinger still has some stuff left in the tank
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If I were Cubs, I would offer Belli two years at $60 million and see if he bites. No opt-out after the first year. Otherwise, I want no part of Belli longterm.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah I keep thinking 2 years/$60M, see how that plays out, go again for another 2 years.
He seems like a player who will perform up to or over perform on successive 2 year deals for up to 8 years but would underperform or go MIA on a more than 5 year deal.
GSWfanklay
Maybe SF still?
tomg1976
To clarify here: the reason the Mets might be out, because they appear focused on 2025. The reason the Nationals could be in: because they appear focused on 2025.
Phlem Johnson
The Brewers haven’t had a decent first baseman since Prince Fielder. Bellinger would be great for them nut never at that kind of money
Attystephenadams
The Mets have no need or interest in him. Stearns is reining in Cohen and teaching him how to build a competitive team on a budget. They’re all in on Yamamoto and that’s it for this winter for a big ticket player. The rest will be filler, an OF like Duvall, DH like Turner, a couple of relievers, and a starter like Giolito. He needs to bring them back down on the CBT.
Dmac13
Maybe the yankees should sign him to a 5 year 125 million or 7 year 200 million deal and defer 115 to 180 million of it let him play center then move to 1st and take over for rizzo then they can trade either Verdugo or Grisham for a reliever hopefully add Yamamoto and hopefully play till late October early november… money wise, they’ve come this far why stop all in or bust!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
That’s not really an insane plan….
If he’d sign for 2 years/$60M w/ like a club option for 3 years/$75M with $30M deferred from the first two seasons and he’d platoon with Rizzo/play the outfield occasionally he wouldn’t be a terrible short term fit on the Yankees…. But he would be extremely expensive for a platoon player.
Luke Strong
I don’t understand how he was so horrible just a year ago, and now some suckers are going to sign him to a ridiculous multi-year deal… I think his contract is going to be a regret no matter who signs him or for how much.
Dmac13
Contract regrets… isn’t every giant contract a regret? I mean at the time they are great but what large contract actually pans out? Stanton? 4 years more.. kinda looks bad hopefully he rebounds… trout? Great player but hurt a awful lot rodon? Awful year..Chris Davis? There are so many… I get it it it’s current rates but it’s a little out of control. I want to go back to high school and elementary school and punch my gym teacher and guidance counselor for steering me toward a career..lol should have stuck with sports I’m happy with the league min…lol
Big cheese G stands for grilled
You wouldn’t go more than 5 years just in case. 5 years 125 seems like a fair place to work from If you want the big dollars you can’t have multiple down years on your resume
Big cheese G stands for grilled
Throw in a team option after 3 years as well he seems to want a MVP money contract based on 2 out of 7 MVP seasons.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
Yes you could justify a mega contact if Bellinger had 4 out of 7 MVP seasons but not 2 and he slipped below league average for a while there with the Dodgers, I see him signing late in the process as both team and player come to an agreement.
mlb1225
Bellinger signing a $200+ million contract seems like something the Angels would do.
TrumboRedux
Shouldn’t he have signed somewhere already?
Mickey Solis
It’ll be the Dodgers. They buy everyone so why stop at Bellinger? No one else seems to care to buy any free agents.
Dmac13
I’m not so sure the dodgers… it might be a good reunion but I can see him going to the giants and playing 1b as well as the outfield…
TrillionaireTeamOperator
As mentioned before he really does seem like he would have been a very solid fit for the Yankees, would’ve been interesting to see him play as a Yankee.
I am guessing Cashman is committed to/stuck with Rizzo and DJLM and preferred Soto’s power potential and Verdugo’s cost effectiveness to Bellinger being a little bit of all those guys at $10-$15M more per season.
Dmac13
Verdugo is way overated… I can see NY packaging him for another need. He is only on 1 year of team control until FA… I know they just got him but for a bigger fish why not same goes for grisham
JayRyder
Angels would be good.
99socalfrc
His contract is going to be Anthony Rendon version 2.0, so the Angels would be perfect.
diphthong
As a Dodgers fan, will always love Belli. Brought huge D and versatility even in the offensively down years. All that said, despite the great Dodger years and the last Cubbies year, remain unconvinced on his huge O coming across consistently throughout a season. Hope I’m wrong. Someone will pay him…as mentioned here and elsewhere, probably the Angels. And that’s likely the best fit for him. Not a ton of pressure to be everything all the time. He and Trout, when healthy, would be fun to watch and could “push” each other.
jade 2
Yeah those 12 games per season when both Trout & Belli are in the lineup over the next 2-3 seasons will be must watch baseball.
DarrenDreifortsContract
1 year/10 mil to back up Outman.
TrumboRedux
LOL!!!!
ArianaGrandSlam
The Yankees still can sign him by trading just-acquired Alex and Trent. away. It’s not impossible.
guilderc
Whoever misses out on Belli could still sign the off-brand version of him. Joey Gallo.
TrumboRedux
Gallo is retiring now so he can get into the HOF sooner.
guilderc
Smart play on his part. No way guys like Pujols, Yadi, and Miggy can compete with him on the ballot.
eddiemurraysafro
Does Bellinger still play first base? I remember some talk of that when he was a Dodger.
jade 2
Signing Bellinger to 200+ mil feels like such an Angels move.
slider32
Short term it seems like the Jays are the move for Bellinger, Long term it is the Giants and Angels. Bellinger is a lot like Springer and he hasn’t been a big difference maker for the Jays. 200 million gets you a great player, but not a difference maker!
RandorBierd
Crow-Armstrong will be another case of a great deal of promise never coming to fruition.
etex211
The Rangers shouldn’t even be mentioned in this article. They don’t have enough OF slots to go around for their current OF’s and the OF’s in the pipeline.
OhioDodger
Signing Bellinger is a total crapshoot. Especially a long term contract.
carlos15
If Trout needs time on the injured list… I think that’s less of an if and more of a certainty. I don’t see him suddenly get healthier as he gets older and gets fatter. If trout wants to stay healthy he needs to come into camp 210-215lbs. He’s too heavy at 235.
AmericanRedneck
I find it challenging to support a 200M+ commitment to Cody Bellinger, considering he was DFA’d just a short year ago. While he had a commendable bounce back, it’s paramount to acknowledge his negative performance over two consecutive seasons. A shorter-term deal, perhaps another one-year agreement, to validate his consistency could be more prudent.
However, one desperate team will certainly take that risk. I imagining him joining the LAA. The thought of Bellinger joining the Angels seems fitting, bringing him back to Los Angeles and adding an interesting twist to his career narrative and *if* he’s able to outperform Shohei next season, given the absence of pitching, adds an intriguing dynamic to the discussion.
If not Angels the Jays sure seem like a good landing spot. For 200M though!? I dunno…
VincentChase
I agree. Analytics show that his expected batting average, slugging, etc were significantly lower than his actual. Add that to his low “hard hit rate” and it is easy to see why teams are not knocking down his door. In fact, baseball reference has his 2024 projections at an OPS around .750
CleaverGreene
I’m surprised the SFGiants are not mentioned. They still need a bat at OF/1B. Flores is a DH.
Digdugler
Jays will be rebuilding in a few years so they will have payroll space at the back end. As a fan, I normally poo poo “contracts” but I am at the point where I dont care. Its not my money, Rogers is worth $50B+, sign whoever to whatever.
dpsmith22
A burn out in San Fran, that sounds right.
acoss13
Bellinger signing with the Angels is a very Arte Moreno thing to do. If not the Blue Jays or Cubs, I think Arte tells Minassian to sign Bellinger.
Digdugler
Jays will take the Boras combo for a slight discount for Chapman and Bellinger.
radar
Without Steroids —- all players start to decline rapidly from 29 to 31/32 years old.
Angels need 22-26 year old players — not the high paid players whose bodies are wearing out exponentially
JoeBrady
100% correct, but do the Angels ever acquire high-priced players younger than 32?
Wells 32
Pujols 32
Hamilton 32
Wilson 31
Upton 30
Cozart 32
Rendon 30
One could argue that Bellinger is actually too young to interest the Angels.
drasco036
You realize baseball allows TRT which is why teams are becoming increasingly interested giving out deals into players late 30s.
JackStrawb
Most do. Some, of course, do not.
Don’t make me tell you again!
radar
I knew Ryan Howard and was happy for his great contract. He worked incredibly hard on his skills.
Hard contact is only a difference of a few millimeters and the speed is 1,000’s of a second difference. When it leaves its gone and cannot come back..
Beware of the large contracts 29 years old +. It’s rare when they work out and more rare without the Steroids
HaloHead82
The Angels need to pass on Cody as bounce back large contract, as they have never worked out for the Angels…
Most recent example 4 year team member, Mr. glass has has played 1 seasons worth of games. $38 million this year.. maybe his 10th specialist this year will find another microscopic fracture.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Belli for the KBO. He would be a god over there.
Mustard Tiger
Perry Minasian’s top priority is deciding what he’s going to wolf down for dinner.
lee cousins
There not going after the 2million dollar man. They have money to spend but it won’t come along so, or soon enough for those of us that don’t want to wait. This will be like being invited to a barbeque only you better pack a sandwich or you will go away hungry.
Mike15 3
Been pretty quiet over at the angels clubhouse.. I think there still trying to get Arte to get down from the bridge. Losing out on Ohtani was a dagger for this seasons free agency. Good luck attracting good talent after he walks for $2 mil a year
JackStrawb
The Mets bs about Yamamoto is repugnant. They know they’re not getting him, and they know that even if they did they wouldn’t be aiming to contend in 2024 (or 2025, for that matter), but lack the integrity to mention that to their fans.
IT’S A REBUILDING YEAR, PEOPLE.
Cohen’s as contemptible as the Wilpons.
And he’s dragging Stearns into his cesspool.
drasco036
The Mets are in similar position as the Padres, they still have a solid team (as much as I like to poke fun at both) and could easily contend with some sly under the radar type moves or in the Mets case, signing Yamamoto.
Nimmo is really good. Alonso is really good, Lindor is one of if not still the best shortstop in the game. Alvarez, good, Senga was amazing last year. They have solid prospects that need to produce. McNeil is also very solid and underrated.
If I was the Mets, I wouldn’t be adverse spending, but I’d be against any deal longer than two years aside from Yamamoto.
JackStrawb
@drasco036 I must disagree almost across the board, my friend. The current Mets team including the inevitably absymal last 20 players they’ll use on their 55-60 man team in 2024 (and who’ll cost them at least 5 and as many as 9 wins) project to 68-7o wins.
Adding Yamamoto, even if he adds 5 wins, doesn’t get their median past 74. Adding a few 1 and 2 win players pushes payroll towards $375m plus taxes (it would be around $320m just with Yamamoto), but it doesn’t even guarantee them a .500 record, and puts their median nowhere near 85 wins.
Cohen was foolish to quit on the 2023 Mets but he’s not a fool to refuse to be drawn in on an aging core not worth investing in any further.
For example, sure McNeil’s underrated, but he’s also been a two win player in 2 of the last 3 seasons and turns 32 in 2024. Alonso’s a 3 win 1Bman. Nimmo’s a 3-4 win OFer. The entire Mets core except Alonso at 29, is now post-prime, 30 and older in 2024.
Alvarez may join that core but he couldn’t hit .199 over the last 4 months of 2023. He has a long ways to go.
As for solid prospects, none of Mauricio, Vientos, or Baty is that. Each of them has some chance of turning into a competent major leaguer, but none of them are 50-50 to ever do that, and none are even 1 in 3 to do that in 2024.
It’s not an insult to say these Mets can’t contend except by extreme accident in 2024. They simply can’t do it, short of a massive payroll, and for what? The 3rd wild card?
Rhyde1990
Why would the Giants not be on this list?