The Cardinals have spent their offseason focused on adding pitching, having already signed Sonny Gray, Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn to fill out the club’s rotation while trading for Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Victor Santos to bolster their bullpen depth. In a recent mailbag, The Athletic’s Katie Woo discussed St. Louis’s plans for the remainder of the offseason.
Regarding the bullpen, Woo notes that while the Cardinals have been active in the free agent relief market this offseason, the club doesn’t appear to be interested in a major addition like relief ace Josh Hader, instead preferring to shop in the lower tiers of the market. Woo relays that the club hopes to add another reliever to their bullpen with a contract in the range of around $5MM annually. She also notes that the club had interest in a reunion with right-hander Chris Stratton, who the club landed alongside Jose Quintana in a deal with the Pirates at the 2022 trade deadline before flipping him to the Rangers alongside Jordan Montgomery last summer, before the veteran inked a two-year, $8MM deal with the Royals.
Of course, it’s important to note that this report from Woo was published before the Cardinals and Rays got together on a trade to send veteran righty Andrew Kittredge to St. Louis yesterday afternoon. Kittredge is projected for a salary of just $2.3MM in 2024 by MLBTR’s Matt Swartz. Given the righty’s modest projected salary, it’s possible that his addition wouldn’t necessarily preclude the Cardinals from making another relief addition, whether by free agency or trade. At the same time, Woo indicates that the club is “high” on its internal relief corps and could look to make only one more addition, which the Kittredge deal would account for. If St. Louis does dip into the free agent relief market, Woo indicates that lefty Matt Moore and right-hander Phil Maton could be in the club’s price range this winter.
Each of Stratton, Moore, and Maton have been valuable bullpen pieces for contending clubs in recent years, though neither Stratton nor Maton have posted the sort of elite numbers that would make them clear back-end arms like Hader or former Cardinal Jordan Hicks; Maton has a 3.67 ERA since joining the Astros midway through the 2021 season, while Stratton has posted a 3.92 ERA over the past three seasons. Moore, by contrast, has posted a fantastic 2.20 ERA and respectable 3.29 FIP in 126 2/3 innings the past two seasons, making him one of the more effective set-up options on the market. With that being said, the lefty is entering his age-35 campaign in 2024 and seems unlikely to land a longer-term commitment from interested clubs. The Cardinals have also reportedly expressed interest in Ryan Brasier, who struggled badly (7.29 ERA) with the Red Sox earlier in the 2023 campaign before dominating (0.70 ERA) down the stretch with the Dodgers last season.
While it’s not entirely clear what the Cardinals’ bullpen plans are following the addition of Kittredge, Woo indicates that the club is likely done adding to its rotation this winter. She writes that a reunion with Montgomery or a deal for another top free agent starter like Shota Imanaga or Blake Snell is “incredibly unlikely” as the club doesn’t have interest in offering a nine-figure contract this winter, a benchmark each of the aforementioned southpaws appears likely to surpass. While Woo acknowledges that the club’s front office could explore trades for starting pitching, she describes the pursuits as “neither a high priority nor highly likely” to result in an addition this winter. Right-handers Dylan Cease and Shane Bieber have both been seen as likely trade candidates this offseason, while the likes of Corbin Burnes and Jesus Luzardo have occasionally seen their names floated in the rumor mill as well. The Cards have been loosely connected to Cease recently but otherwise haven’t come up often as a potential suitor for a starter in the rumor mill this winter.
It would be something of a surprise if Kittredge proved to be the club’s final pitching addition this winter. After all, the Cardinals noted that they planned to add “at least two” relievers this offseason in addition to their goal of adding three starters, which they completed by adding Gray, Gibson, and Lynn. By contrast, Kittredge is the only relief arm they’ve added to this point with a substantial track record in the majors. While the likes of Robertson, minor league signing Wilking Rodriguez and Rule 5 draftee Ryan Fernandez all provide depth, none of them figure to be the sort of reliable source of quality production the Cardinals lacked in 2023.
If the Cardinals do come up short in their goal of adding multiple relievers to their bullpen mix, it’s fair to wonder if they’ll have done enough to put themselves back into contention in the NL Central after finishing fifth in their division with a 91-loss campaign in 2023. While the club is surely hoping for rebound seasons from veteran stars Nolan Arenado and Paul Goldschmidt to lift the offense, the club’s pitching staff was primarily the cause of St. Louis’s difficult season last year. Cardinals starters posted a 5.08 ERA in the rotation last year that ranked fifth-worst in the majors, while their bullpen was the eighth-worst by that same metric.
The addition of Gray to the club’s rotation figures to provide a significant boost, but both Gibson and Lynn are coming off down seasons of their own while internal options like Miles Mikolas, Steven Matz, and Matthew Liberatore all come with their own question marks, though internal youngsters like Sem Robberse could impact the club in 2024 and provide depth behind the established arms. As for the bullpen, both Kittredge and internal southpaw JoJo Romero have flashed tantalizing upside in the past but offer little certainty headed into 2024. That goes for most of the club’s relief corps with the exceptions of Ryan Helsley and Giovanny Gallegos, though even they dealt with injury and under-performance issues respectively last season. Signing an arm like Moore or Maton to bolster the bullpen could go a long way to helping St. Louis return to form next season, particularly given the relative inaction of the rest of the division aside from Cincinnati this winter.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Static Measures!! Idle Gossip!!
omahamadness
What a weak offseason for the Cards, other than Grey none of the additions are sure fire upgrades. These additions will not raise them up much if at all from the 5th and 8th worst pitching groups. Mo must go!!
Jabronie23
Not Mo’s fault. DeWitt wants a hard payroll cap because he’s scared of the Bally Sports thing
17dizzy
Another “Not Mo’s Fault” guy!! Ugh!!!
Walt Jockerty is being considered for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. The reason?
Compare the teams and level of personnel Jockerty maintained on his teams.
He also replaced superstars with younger superstars to keep the Cards competitive each year for a run at the National League Championship!!
Mozeliak’s top goal is to maintain a team who can be at least a .500 season club.
Mozeliak has ruined the Cardinals tradition and reputation as being a Winner!!
Consequently Ace Pitchers and All-Star caliber players —— given the choice— do not want to go to the Cardinals!!
A far cry from when Jockerty was in charge!! The Cardinals “were winners”!!
The best players in baseball Wanted to come to the Cardinals. They wanted to be a part and enjoy the Cardinals great Tradition and History!!!
Mozeliak could care less!!!!! Thus the gradual nose dive of the Cardinals team—- over the past Decade.
Mozeliak Supporters——
Are you happy now??? The Cardinals are in the Basement of the Weakest Division of Major League Baseball !!!!
The moves Mozeliak has made so far this off-season, is no where near quality enough to move them out of the cellar of the NL Central in 2024!!!
Card66
I could not agree more, MO is a joke, as well as Marmol, the Cards have time and money to get another starter to make the team a contender, but MO never wants to pull the trigger. I am not sure if its the Dewitt’s not wanting to spend money or MO wanting to stay on the payroll and line his pockets, while telling the fans and ownership that he could not get a deal done, at this point we know MO is not truthful with what’s going on with the team. Fire MO and his Muppet Marmol
Joel P
The team underperformed in 2023. The real problem is the manager and my guess is he’s fired around July. But the team has talent to compete in the division and once you get in anything can happen.
Jabronie23
The Oli hate never made any sense to me until I looked around and realized that like 95% of MLB fans hate their team’s manager and blame them for all their problems. In reality, the manager doesn’t have that much of an effect unless they are totally incompetent, which I don’t think Oli is
Joel P
He’s incompetent. He publicly called out ONeill in game 5 of last years season for not hustling when the clown 3b coach shouldn’t have sent him. Then a couple weeks later he calls out Contreras and then benched him because he said the pitchers weren’t liking the pitches Contreras was calling. He’s the youngest manager in baseball he had no experience before being hired. He’s a major problem.
Joe Robbins
I agree Joel. The distractions that he caused early on just made things worse. He is one of the five worst managers in baseball in my eyes. Cardinals fans are used to our managers having more class and handling things in house. He destroyed our morale for our team in the first month. It almost felt like having a Cub in the house! Please let Molina take over soon. The crazy belief that Mo kept believing that our pitching staff was ok and not doing anything in the off season just led a perfect storm. He is delusional. We as diehard fans deserve better.
BaseballGuy1
Then you cannot judge the performance of a MLB manager… as Marmol is a disaster of a MLB manager… a bad hire after a terrible firing of Mike Shildt. Marmol and his disaster of tossing ONeill under the bus twice was more than enough to settle that argument. No good manager in MLB or life does that, ever. Add the Contreras problem that was only a STL problem, not a Contreras problem and any of us who follow STL knew Marmol was definitely a failure at that point. Only the dumber thing to do is fire Marmol and give the job to Molina… that would be worse than Marmol.
5greatestrappers
Joel, you must have mentally blocked out the reporting on Willy. He was allegedly calling for pitches that guys didn’t throw. Lol. If true, that’s bad. I watched the TON effort game live. He was sandbagging, imo. Why else would get defensive and refer to trying to save himself for a long season? Oli is not the problem. The problem was awful pitching and a down year offensively. The pitchers couldn’t miss bats and threw too many non-competitive pitches.
Joel P
Allegedly?
Why are we even hearing about Contreras?
And yeah ONeill wasn’t running at full speed because only a moron would have sent him there after that line drive was hit to Acuna who perhaps has the best arm in all of baseball.
Marmol and Jordan Walker were the 2 biggest problems of 2023.
playhard9
Mo rushing Jordan Walker into learning the outfield in the major leagues was def a big problem. JWalk will be our best player soon. His defense will be much better this year and the kid can hit. Marmol’s clueless arrogance is a real problem but the biggest problem we have is Mo overestimating his players and not developing pitching.
Joe Robbins
This is the smartest and most correct assessment that I have read about the 2023 Cardinals, and about our problems overall. Thank You.
filihok
JP
“The team underperformed in 2023. ”
That’s their biggest problem
They looked like a good team last year
And they look like a good team this year
Joel P
Yeah there isn’t some lack of talent. As I keep saying I think the manager is the real problem but the talent is there.
filihok
JP
“I think the manager is the real problem ”
And I think people overate their ability to assess what impact the manager has
Joel P
When the manager publicly calls out players in the media he’s a problem. He basically ran ONeill out of town and was critical of Contreras weeks into the first season of his 5 years 87.5 million dollar deal. And both players didn’t deserve it. ONeill always played hard and Contreras has been a true Cardinal from day one.
It’s also a pattern of Mozeliak hiring 3 managers in a row with no experience. Matheny was awful his first few years and isn’t much better now. Schildt was actually good but the team fired him for philosophical differences.
Can you name the Cardinals GM? I dont know if you are a Cardinal fan or not. If not I bet you can’t. If you are you might still not be able to.
Mozeliak is a smart guy. But he can’t seem to hire anyone except yes men and that’s a major problem.
filihok
JP
Nothing you said here changes this
“I think people overate their ability to assess what impact the manager has”
Joel P
When the manager publicly calls out players i can assess that he’s impacting the team in a negative way.
filihok
JP
“When the manager publicly calls out players i can assess that he’s impacting the team in a negative way.”
No. You can’t
And, again, “I think people overate their ability to assess what impact the manager has”
You have 0 idea if cost them 1 game or 10, or -5
Joel P
I have been a fan for years. I saw what good managing looks like. LaRussa used to manage a bullpen better than anyone. Then we bring in Matheny and I kid you not he brought a reliever in and had him walk the first batter he faced.
Is it 1 game or 5 or 10? I don’t know. But Marmol sucks. I know that because I know baseball.
filihok
JP
“Is it 1 game or 5 or 10? I don’t know,”
““I think people overate their ability to assess what impact the manager has”
Right. And if you don’t know how many games he costs the team, or if he costs then any at all, how do you define him sucking?
Joel P
The Cardinals won 71 games last year. The team underperformed in almost every way possible.
filihok
JP
“The Cardinals won 71 games last year. The team underperformed in almost every way possible.”
And?
We just established that you have no idea how much of that is due to the manager
Devlsh
I don’t completely disagree with you but to be fair to all parties involved, I think the Cardinals problems last year were multifold.
+ Complete brain drain, with the pitching, hitting, bullpen and bench coaches departing as well as Molina and Pujols, both of whom served as quasi-coaches. A veteran manager might have been able to overcome that but very few second year guys. Whether Marmol is any good or not, I can’t fairly say for the aforementioned reasons: was he shielded by the talent around him in his rookie year or left hanging out to dry when everyone left? Or both?
+ The banning of the shift hurt Stl more than most, since the pitching staff was oriented toward pitch-to-contact vs. Ks.
+ The substantial Cardinals WBC contingent meant a substantial part of the team was absent during the transition to new coaches, catcher, the pitch clock and the lack of the shift.
+ Wilson Contreras. The criticism is legit, but his signing is on MO. WC has never been good at game-calling and sequencing, nevermind framing. The Stl pitching staff NEVER had to call their own pitches, and the abrupt switch from a catcher savant to Contreras put a strain on all parties involved, asking many to do things they never had.
+ The failure of management (MO) to upgrade the team and trade from their surplus. Instead, nearly every asset Stl had lost value, either from down years or one less year of club control. Everyone, the team included, knew they needed another SP.
+ The team’s ongoing inability to accurately assess their own talent. This is an ongoing problem, leading them to misjudge D. Carlson, DeJong, T. O’Neill, Arozarena, L. Thomas, A Garcia, Justin Williams, (A Burleson may fall under this category as well). and a plethora of others who have since washed out or moved on..
+ The organization’s failure to develop pitching, in part due to the fixation on hiring ex-Cardinal coaches rather than looking to steal talent from forward thinking ballclubs. Other clubs are years ahead of us in terms of pitching labs, pitch development, tunneling, and more.
The organization does a LOT of things right too, but to paraphrase Clint Eastwood, a team’s “gotta know it’s limitations.”
Tigers3232
@Joel outside of Montgomery their pitching sucked. It was pretty obvious going into last season they had a weak rotation. Not seeing how it is the managers fault that they gave up 3rd most runs in the NL when it was pretty obvious they lacked starting pitching talent.
omahamadness
Totally agree that Mo hires yes men. Matheny was horrible, Schildt if not for that 17 strait win steak was average. Oli is in over his head. Molina taking control in when MO’s contract is up next year is the right time for a change.
omahamadness
Also hiring Dusty Blake with zero coaching experience, come on man, we need better hires!
Devlsh
I think you;’re way off base when it comes to Schildt. He inherited a team that wasn’t all that good at anything, and reintroduced fundamentals, defense and bullpen usage.
He was 41-28 in 2018.
He was 91-71 in 2019
He was 30-28 in 2020
He was 90-72 in 2021.
BaseballGuy1
You are correct on all the points you made.. The only worse thing STL could do now is replace Marmol with Molina. Get a real MLB manager from outside the STL inbred system and truly try to compete for something besides the annual, “we won the NL Central” award.
BaseballGuy1
See the same thing in the Corporate world more than a few times. It never aids the company and quickly ends with the manager being even more ineffective than he already was. Marmol was a bad hire after a terrible firing of Mike Shildt. The only worse thing STL could do now is replace Marmol with Molina.
BaseballGuy1
Marmol could not field a consistent team on the field or even in the batting order as he was so desperate to save his job he simply tried everything and anything. The mistakes an ineffective manager does in MLB and in corporate life is to blame everyone except themselves, throw players (employees) under the bus and use the Media to criticize players instead of personal discussions with players (employees). Yes, any of us who do management has seen the worst and the best and can be a good judge of what a bad manager Marmol has been and will always be.
BaseballGuy1
Molina even being considered as a MLB manager is a failure. So many problems with him and the worst thing possible is to continue the STL Nostalgia Train. Get a real, experienced MLB manager who has done the job and who can do the job and step up. Molina lacks in so many ways, hard pass.
Joel P
The 2022 team and the 2023 team were not that different at all. And the 2022 team was pretty good.
5greatestrappers
Delusion. There is a lack of talent. The pitching staff is still awful outside of Gray.
Cardsfan1984
Marmot lost the clubhouse early in his public callouts.
Mo made a big mistake in firing Schildt. He was coming off a 90+ win season and a nomination for manager of the year. The players LOVED him.
I would have prefers they took the $22M they spent on Lynn/Gibson and used it towards a Nola/Montgomery/Schell and ran with like Liberatore at the 5th starter.
Gray
Nola/Montgomery/Schell (This could swap with Gray depending on who it is)
Mikolas
Matz
Liberatore
Joel P
Agree with every word of that Cards1984. All of it.
Devlsh
$22M isn’t going to get you Nola, Montgomery or Snell.
Personally, I would have been fine with EITHER Lynn or Gibson (i.e. an innings eater with limited upside) and a Montas/Severino type, uncertain innings but with upside. As is, we appear to have a rotation of guys who will probably pitch a lot of innings, and we’ll have to get used to seeing the starter exit after 5 2/3 innings haven given up three earned runs and hope that we can eventually win 6-5.
Blackouts are racist
As a Cubs fan, please keep Oli. Reminds me when Kentucky hired Billy Gillespie. Two “good” years as an IU fan.
Joe Robbins
That’s awesome Mark Grace..
cards1994
Problem is Gray simply replaced Monty. We are no better than last year. We did nothing but replace bodies
Joel P
I think last years team could win 85 or 90 games if you played the season again. Because it wasn’t that different from the 2022 team that won 90 something games.
That’s the problem with many Cardinal fans they aren’t fair they intentionally see the glass half full because they want more signings and money to be spent.
filihok
JP
“That’s the problem with many Cardinal fans they aren’t fair they intentionally see the glass half full ”
This is in no way specific to Cardinal fans
“they want more signings and money to be spent”
Venn diagram: people who want their team to be not aggressive acquiring players and people who hate the Dodgers because of who they have acquired
Joel P
Yeah it’s Cardinal fans and Giants fans and Red Sox fans and teams similar to them. Teams that have a history if winning but not an immediately recent history of winning.
Daryl Pauley
My exact sentiment. And the bullpen is worse or equal to last year also. The offense better offend a lot this year cause the pitching ain’t gonna do enough.
Charlie'sSinging
Funny thing is a month ago, a lot of Cards fans commenting on these stories believed they were going to go soaring past a $200 million payroll this year to sign several top free agents. No idea how people who follow the Cardinals year to year don’t notice the trend and continue to get their head in the clouds. The one thing I would have done differently this year is combine the money they gave Lynn and Gibson to sign a front-line starter and just roll the dice internally for a #5 starter. That would have actually given them a chance to not only make the playoffs, but to win a round or two. It will be tough to win more than a game in the playoffs with the current rotation (if they even manage to make it). Missed opportunity for sure.
Joel P
Yeah I don’t have a problem with what payroll is and I never thought it would be much higher if at all. And yes I agree Liberatore and Thompson could have fought it out for the 5th spot and we still don’t have a number 2 starter.
My guess is the team is 500 or below come July and Marmol is fired.
Joe Robbins
All that you said is right on point Charlie. Add a little more money to that Lynn/Gibson combo, you get Montgomery back! Let Thompson be our #5, and there you go.
cubfanforever
Lance Lynn will give up 40 plus dingers this upcoming season.
CaseyAbell
Lynn has had one season of more than 40 home runs. Unfortunately for him, it occurred last year. Otherwise, he’s never given up more than 27 (way back in 2017). My guess is that his home run total will improve significantly at Busch, which is a tough place to hit ’em out.
Will Lynn win the Cy Young? Hardly. But I think he’ll surprise some Cardinal fans with a reasonable bounceback year. Maybe something like the 3.99 ERA he put up in 2022. Not spectacular, and he’s an injury risk at his age. But I don’t see the ball flying out of the park on him nearly as much in 2024.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
37 year Olds don’t have bounce back years. I agree with cubsfanforever this rotation would have been great 10 years ago but not in 2024. This could get ugly but the biggest problem is the pitching development within the Cardinals system.
Jabronie23
They don’t need another reliever; they’ve got plenty of bulllpen options and paying significant money for relievers is always a bad idea. But they could really, really use a pitcher to pair with Gray at the top of the rotation. I don’t really blame Mozeliak for not shopping anymore at the top of the market since it sounds like Dewitt is forcing a pretty hard payroll cap due to the Bally Sports fiasco. But there are plenty of options in the trade market that won’t significantly increase payroll, like Bieber or Cease. Even if that went over DeWitt’s cap, they could always trade Matz. Have to show some creativity because the moves they’ve made, while maybe enough to win the weak NLC, aren’t exactly satisfying after a 91 loss season
gwspaulds
They need both. You can’t just rely on just Gallegos, Helsley, and the lefty and then a bunch of unproven guys. Bullpens are definitely volatile but there’s more certainty in proven arms than relying on in house options which is what Mozeliak never seems to understand.
And it wouldn’t cost them significant money to add one or two more relievers. We’re talking two years at 12 or 15mil. That’s not a substantial amount.
Jabronie23
Dewitt won’t allow them to spend that much. Like I said, they’re dealing with a hard payroll cap. Helsley, Gallegos, Romero, Kittredge, Libby/Thompson, Pallante, King, Fernandez is a good bullpen. And they have a number of guys they can swap them out with if need be. Best way to build a bullpen is to aquire unproven but talented guys in volume, especially if you already have a core or proven relievers to build around, which we do. Both Steamer and ZIPS really like our bullpens right now
Joel P
The Cardinals are about finished. The article mentions Maton and he’s been discussed for weeks as a possibility I imagine the Cardinals will sign someone like him and that will be a wrap for the offseason moves.
StlSwifty
The whole “play to win the division and see who knocks us out of the first round of the playoffs” strategy needs to go. We haven’t actually tried to go for it all since 2006. I agree… Mo must go. Outside of the 2011 season (which was a flukey WS win), he Hasn’t given us much to root for since he took over, given the fact that he’s had one of the richer owners to work with the whole time.
StlSwifty
I give Mo a C- for his efforts so far this offseason.
Jabronie23
That’s a pretty melodramatic. They’ve had one of the best records in baseball during his tenure and made some really deep postseason runs throughout the first half of the 2010’s. Postseason success is like 90% flukes anyway. The best teams almost never win, look at the Braves last year. I do agree that a change of approach is needed
Joel P
Yes Jabronie there is a large portion of the St Louis fanbase that acts entitled.
The manager sucks. And if Mozeliak can’t hire a manager with experience, which he hasn’t the last 3 times he’s hired a manager, then he needs to go too. But the Cardinals do a lot of things right and have been competitive for many many years.
mad1
“Inaction by the rest of the Division”= those teams have chosen not to overspend foolishly. The brewers in particular, generally do most of the heavy lifting in January with many quality free agents and trade options available. Just sayin
Jabronie23
But the Cubs have quite literally done nothing. As for the Brewers, they haven’t really done anything either, but there’s a good chance they trade Burnes and Adames and regroup for 2025.
Old York
Their rotation doesn’t look great in terms of forecasted Run Average.
Sonny Gray:
FRA: 4.27
ERA – FRA: -1.48(Negative regression).
Miles Mikolas
FRA: 4.85
ERA – FRA: -0.07 (Slight negative regression).
Kyle Gibson
FRA: 4.71
ERA – FRA: 0.02 (Slight positive regression).
Lance Lynn
FRA: 4.39
ERA – FRA: 1.34 (Positive Regression).
Steven Matz
FRA: 4.56
ERA – FRA: -0.70 (Slight negative regression).
Thoughts and prayers to their bullpen.
Cedric.p.nelson
Dewitt should sell the team to someone dedicated to winning championships not just putting butts in the seats cards always go the cheap route
Msclmn1722
Extra IF. Extra OF
Need top of the rotation help
Why is this so difficult?
These GMs/owners who have multiple HOF players and don’t push all their chips in are so frustrating
We just watched LAA fail with Ohtani and Trout
Arenado and Goldy deserve a chance
meangreandancingmachine
Mo’s entire intention is to beef up the innings the rotation can stomach — aside from Matz, there are now 4 starters who are easily capable of reaching 200 innings each. So, it makes sense to weaponize the bullpen so they can receive a lead from the starters and hold on for the win – something the Cardinals were the worst in the majors in that department.
I’d like to see the Cards add one more reliever — someone like Maton would be wonderful — and then I think the team is ready.
At least until the summer trade deadline, and there the Cards may make some more moves.
Krr104
Cards win 85 games this year
Dotnet22
Would be a huge improvement.
seth3120
For the Cardinals to be better than last year they at the very least need to bring in clear upgrades in their additions vs their departures and I just don’t see it and really don’t see it on a level that moves the needle enough. I personally at least for 2024 would rather have Gray than Montgomery. Nothing against Montgomery he was solid for us but I do think his stock rose a bit much based on what was definitely some great pitching for Texas after the trade and into the postseason. He deserves credit for that but his career wasn’t nearly as dominant I wouldn’t give him what he’ll likely get because I don’t think that level is sustainable. Neither Wainwright or Flaherty were any good but neither was Lynn or Gibson at least Flaherty has some youth on his side and more likely to have a comeback type year. We needed a guy like Gray and at least one very clear upgrade to Flaherty then realistically one guy like Lynn or Gibson(I vote Gibson) to fill out the rotation. Some solid but not stellar moves in the pen but they also lost Hicks who sure looked like he was finally putting all that talent together to be a shut down arm in the bullpen. We have some youth in position players who could definitely take a step forward and help us score runs but they don’t have that type of situation in run prevention from our starting staff they’re in their declining ages and I know I saw enough of Lynn last year to say unless he figures out something he was doing wrong the process of age declining was well underway last year. I hope I’m wrong but I think we need to score a lot of runs to be much better than last year
RandorBierd
The club has done nothing to lead us to believe they’ll be better than they were last year. Arguably, the team was better on paper than it is this year. Things are going to get worse for the Cardinals before they get better.
Jabronie23
Doubtful. They played way below their true talent level last year. Baseball is a game full of statistical randomness. This team looks like a 85-89 win team right now. Not particularly exciting, but a huge improvement and maybe enough to win the division
Four4fore
Bullpen to hold leads or mop up? Looks like this team is really going to have to hit for them to have many leads.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Word has it, they’re really interested in Aaron Nola.
SupremeZeus
MoTie swims in the shallow end of the FA pool with floaties on. No shame in that. Anything is possible in that moribund division. Eliminate divisions.
ramon garciaparra
Gibson had 15 wins, the most of his career, led the league in starts. He did not have a down year. He is what he is, a guy who will take the ball every fifth day. Most of the time he will eat up innings, give you a quality start and preserve your bullpen. A few times a year he will get blown up and his year long ERA will suffer but the rest of the time he will give you a chance to win ball games.
Charlie'sSinging
I guess they said that because his ERA was even higher than his career average ERA of 4.54 last year. I would call last year pretty much average for him though, except for the wins, which was due to playing on a team that just won a ton of games overall. I would say he didn’t really set his team up for winning in 14 of his 33 starts last season (I gave him credit for a couple of games that weren’t actually quality starts). So giving his team a legitimate chance to win maybe 19 times, he was fortunate to get 15 wins, and likely should have fallen more in line with his more normal 10-12 wins. Playing for a juggernaut like the Orioles definitely boosted him. He should revert to the 10-12 win platform with the Cards, but will still have value in eating 180+ innings, which helps save the pen. He’s a solid guy who helps the team, even when he (or the team) are not getting wins, because of those innings. I think a career average of an ERA in the mid-upper 4’s and 10-12 wins will repeat itself as his stat line though.
lwingo44
I’ve been a baseball Cardinal’s fan for over 55 years. I do not understand why the fan’s and media do not hold John Mozeliak responsible for his actions? Meaning managers, trades, free agents both signed and not signed. It seems he is always getting a free pass on his actions and his goal is a .500 team to keep the fans happy. The hiring of Molina as manager, would be yet another inexperienced manager hire of Mo.
Jabronie23
Not sure what you mean because fans are always complaining about him. A lot of the complaints are unfair though in my opinion. Not many Cardinals executives have been as successful as Mozeliak
derwood26
If the Cardinals wouldnt have blown 40 leads 8th inning or later they woulda won the division by converting at least half of those into wins spend the money on hader and they will be fine
n2thecards
hopefully, there’s a Maton and/or Neris signing still to come.
JojoA
Maton would be great.
Joe Robbins
So true.
Jabronie23
No thanks. Spending $100m on a reliever is always a bad idea. Plus, our bullpen is fine as is
JojoA
Still think outfield is a problem and hope VSII can win centerfield job. Like Edman but if he is our CF we are in trouble.
Jabronie23
Edman looked good in CF. and the defensive metrics seemed to agree, although it was a small sample size of course. Also there’s about a 0% chance VSII wins the CF job out of spring. Probably won’t see him until September, if at all this season
Cardsfanatik redux
Victor Santos is pushing 50 according to this link. wonder if he’s still got it?.