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The Opener: Hernández, Imanaga, DFA Limbo

By Darragh McDonald | January 4, 2024 at 7:19am CDT

Here are three things we’re monitoring in the baseball world today…

1. Teoscar nearing decision?

A couple of reporters yesterday, Marino Pepén and Moises Fabian, suggested that the market for Teoscar Hernández is nearing resolution. The Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels have been connected to the slugger and it seems those three teams are still at the table. Hernández is coming off a bit of a down year but it’s possible that the pitcher-friendly home park in Seattle played a role in that. From 2020 to 2022, he hit .283/.333/.519 for the Blue Jays for a 133 wRC+. After being traded to the Mariners, he hit just .258/.305/.435 for a 105 wRC+ last year, but he had a 126 wRC+ on the road and 81 at home.

2. One week left for Imanaga:

Left-hander Shota Imanaga’s posting window is open until January 11, giving him just one more week to work out a deal with interested clubs. Reporting from yesterday suggested that the Yankees may not be that excited about the southpaw, though clubs like the Giants, Red Sox and Cubs appear to still be in the mix. Imanaga has a 3.18 ERA over his career in Nippon Professional Baseball but is coming off two straight seasons at 2.80 or lower.

3. Extended DFA limbo continues:

Players designated for assignment are normally required to have resolution within a week but this clock is paused between Christmas and New Year’s. As mentioned in yesterday’s Opener, right-hander Ryan Jensen was been waiting to find out his status since December 20 and no news arrived before end of day yesterday. Just behind him, catcher Donny Sands and infielder Diego Castillo were designated for assignment December 22 and are still waiting for answers.

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  1. This one belongs to the Reds

    1 year ago

    I wonder if Imanaga’s “big deal” will be as advertised. A lot of large market teams have backed off.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 year ago

      This – I think it’s all posturing, the teams don’t want the bidding to get ridiculous like it did with Yama.

      As for Teo, I don’t buy DMC’s take that last year’s drop in production could have been strictly related to playing in Seattle. To be a good analyst, you need to be cognizant of trends. Teo’s production has dropped drastically each year since 2021.

      He was with the Jays when his OPS plummeted from .919 to .870 in 2021, and he was still with the Jays when it cratered from .870 to .807 in 2022. So his 2023 numbers were simply a continuation of that downward trend.

      Unfortunately my team enjoys signing players who are on a downward trend, because said players are cheaper to sign. Didn’t work out very well with guys like Story and Panda now did it.

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      • Ma4170

        1 year ago

        Agree w the downward trend, but “plummeted” from 919 to 871? Thats not much of a plummet. 2021 was a great year for him, with the 132 wrc+ to go along with it. The drop in 2022 and last year more concerning.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Ma – I agree 2021 was still a good year, but a 49-point OPS drop is large.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          I’m not a sabermetric fan but the difference last year between home and away seems large and moving him to 81 games at Fenway for example would be a good move. His production on 24 I believe will be superior to that of JDM or Turner.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          dewey – I agree Fenway will help, but I’m having flashbacks of how AGon was supposed to put up monster numbers going from SD to Fenway and that didn’t exactly work out.

          If the guy continues to decline, it won’t matter which park he plays in.

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        • Ma4170

          1 year ago

          He does have very strong lifetime numbers at fenway… 950 ops actually

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        • DirtyWater04

          1 year ago

          I don’t see those two situations being comparable. For one, Gonzalez was phenomenal in 2011. His overall line of .338/.410/.548 line was supported by .347/.413/.516 marks at home. He hit for pretty good power, just not as much as he did in the past and not as much as expected. But frankly that should’ve been expected if you look at his batted ball profile. He was never much of a pull hitter, rarely topping 40% of his batted balls being hit to the pull side in his Boston or San Diego years. Look at lefties who have most memorably abused Fenway like Ortiz and Schwarber, they were frequent fly ball hitters who mostly made hard contact with pull rates consistently around 50%. Gonzalez got by on generally softer contact and also always had a high ground ball rate which spiked to career highs in Boston. So while we were sold on the hype and all wanted to believe we traded for a guy who was going to be Ortiz in ’06 every single year, plenty of clues were already there in his batted ball profile as to what we were really getting.

          As for Teoscar, his home/road splits in 2023 indicate he was very much hampered by playing his home games in Seattle. Looking at his career splits by ballpark he has hit very well in Boston and Baltimore, with passable results in Tampa Bay and Toronto. So not only does he very much look like a bat who still has plenty of juice but needs to be rescued from an extreme pitcher’s park, but for a powerful hitter who tends towards fly balls and line drives towards the pull side and center field, Fenway is the kind of park that should revive his batted ball results.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Dirty – I agree AGon was never much of a pull hitter, he had oppo power in SD. But you know he was a lefthanded hitter, and in Fenway it’s easier to homer over the Monster than it is to right field (unless you send it straight down the line which is very difficult to do).

          So here’s the big question I would love to hear answered: There is ZERO chance the Mariners didn’t know Teo never had a lot of success hitting in Seattle, so why did they trade for him?

          And guess what? According to Statcast, Fenway is nearly identical to T-Mobile Park when it comes to homeruns. So tell me again why Teo is expected to do so much better in Fenway?

          baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…

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        • DirtyWater04

          1 year ago

          I mean I don’t belong to Seattle’s front office so I can only speak for myself. But my answer would be when your home ballpark is known for being an extreme pitcher’s park, you still have to try and find somebody to provide some thump to your lineup. How they’ve historically hit in your ballpark can’t be the primary reason to dislike a guy when nobody hits in your ballpark. Conversely, things they might look for as reasons to like a guy may be things like batted ball profile (maybe for a line drive heavy guy, they expect more of those lost home runs to turn into doubles? In Teoscar’s case, where he hits a lot of grounders and line drives & has a high hard hit rate, I can see why they may have thought they had something they could work with there), general approach at the plate, or how he’s fared against the rest of your division? For what it’s worth, he’s hit very well in LA and Texas. And even with how poorly he fared in Seattle (and Oakland), he still managed a WRC+ of 105.

          And looking at your statcast data, look at the long term history for right handed hitters. Fenway is extremely friendly for right handed hitters to hit doubles (consistent park factor around 120 or higher going back to 2000) while Seattle has been extremely unfriendly (park factor in the 80’s to low 90’s every year in same time frame). Just looking even at overall park factor, Fenway is a much friendlier place to hit for righties than Seattle.

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        • Ma4170

          1 year ago

          He wasnt even that terrible. 26-93 in seattle when his home road splits were so stark is probably around what they expected anyway. What they were probably hoping not to get was 200+ K and his overall SLG to drop that much.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 year ago

          Gonzo’s very last AB as a Dodger was a pitch hit HR to… left field. Memorable because I was there to see it.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 year ago

        @FPG. Not sure where you are getting ridiculous for Yamamoto’s contract. The AAV for him including posting is $31M, which is hardly out of hand for a high-end starter in his prime. Apparently several teams were in the bidding at around the same dollar amount. So again, by definition, not ridiculous.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Blue – One word should be added … “projected” high end starter.

          No matter how good he was in Japan, there’s something not quite right about the pitcher with the biggest contract in MLB history having never thrown a pitch in MLB.

          Assuming his results from Japan will carry over to MLB is the part that makes it ridiculous, not even taking into consideration his height.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 year ago

          No future success can ever be more than projected and plenty of Japanese pitchers have succeeded in MLB. So Yamamoto isn’t a special case in that regard, except for the excellence of his results in his career thus far. Even more importantly as I pointed out several teams were in at similar money, so by definition, not ridiculous. Questioning what the market is saying doesn’t change what it is saying.

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        • Alexpulido7051 2

          1 year ago

          His age probably has a lot to do with it too. Most players don’t hit free agency until their late 20’s, early 30’s. He hasn’t even enter his prime years

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 year ago

          @Alex. Yes, exactly.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Blue – I know it’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m certainly not alone in believing the bidding got out of hand. As the writers here reminded us, they had him signing for $100M less than what he ended up getting.

          This isn’t a knock against the Dodgers, it’s cool they are willing to spend on the players rather than pocket the money or direct it elsewhere. But if God forbid he flames out early like Irabu, Matsuzaka, Ishii, Kashiwada, etc that will be a huge amount of money to continue dishing out for a very long time.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 year ago

          If you listen to what people around here say, every contract is an overpay, and they come in only two flavors, huge and massive. I take these opinions with a grain of salt. I figure the teams who are spending the money are a lot better at evaluating risk than online forum posters.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Blue – Evaluating risk and basing decisions on the evaluation are two entirely different things. I think we’ve all done things that went against our better judgement, like dating that girl you know is crazy. You know it’s a mistake, you know it probably won’t end well, but you do it anyway.

          Fact is, the Dodgers decided to meet or exceed whatever top offer Ohtani and Yama received from other teams. They became fixated on these two players, and were determined to outbid every other team to get them.

          So just because they signed both players, you shouldn’t assume they don’t realize the exorbitant risk they took.

          To quote someone you are very familiar with, “If you’re always rational about every free agent, you will finish third on every free agent.”

          Right there he’s admitting he makes irrational decisions on free agents.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 year ago

          Free agent signings are auctions. By definition the winner is the bidder who values the thing the most and consequently is willing to pay the most. Only rarely does anything else happen.

          These teams are profitable, multibillion-dollar corporations. They don’t get to that place by making irrational decisions, which should not be interpreted as meaning by not taking risks. With any kind of investment, risk is essential to reward. So what I am saying is the teams understand the risks and decide to take them not on a “what the hell?” basis, but because the potential rewards are also understood. They have all the financial data. We have basically none.

          Bottom line, I believe you are misinterpreting this comment. What Friedman was really saying here is sometimes you need to take a chance, because no rewards comes without risk. And this comes from a guy who’s been accused of being risk-adverse, and not for no reason. He probably does a cost-benefit analysis on what he ordered for lunch. But he also understands that winning big prizes requires taking some chances.

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      • Joel P

        1 year ago

        Hernandez has a career OPS of 804. His OPS was 807 as recently as 2022. That 919 OPS was in a shortened season. Last years OPS is co corning but it could be because of the ballpark.

        I don’t see a decline I see a guy who didn’t like hitting in Seattle.

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        • TMQ

          1 year ago

          Hitting in Seattle doesn’t account for his ridiculous amount amount of strikeouts.

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    • drasco036

      1 year ago

      I think he is a mid rotation starter with back of the rotation floor and teams are backing off a lot given the price tag and risk involved. If his expected contract was still in the 15-17 million range more teams would be in but spending 22 million plus for that floor is too risky for my blood.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        1 year ago

        If you look at what Giolito got, it’s a reasonable ask in this wild market. The Yankees plan to contend and need rotation depth. If he produces a 4.30 ERA in 160IP+, I’d be satisfied with that – but not for $22MM/yr. At that rate, they might as well try to sign Montgomery. We’ll see what Imanaga signs for.

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      • drasco036

        1 year ago

        Yank,
        Giolito has TOR upside and has consistently ranked towards the top of the league in strike outs, all while pitching in front of one of the worst defenses in baseball (sorry Sox fans). He’s a guy that is definitely worth the risk on a two year deal like he got (opt out after the first).
        I think if the Red Sox get him to trust his defense he will be next years come back player in the AL. Having swing and miss stuff while not having to be perfect is a recipe for success.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Red Sox trust their defense? Not until Duran, Yoshida and Devers don’t all occupy spots on the field. The team can live with one or two but not all three regularly sent out there.

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        • DirtyWater04

          1 year ago

          I’m with Dewey – I do like Giolito’s upside but he’s going to have to get by largely on the swing and miss stuff in Boston. Our defense might not be as completely dreadful as Chicago’s but it is objectively not good. Should hopefully be a little bit better this year, especially if Rafaela takes center field from Duran and they hide Yoshida at DH, but middle of the pack is going to be our best case scenario as far as team defense goes.

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    • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

      1 year ago

      @this one

      With the way pitchers are being payed this off-season I’m betting he is still going to payed handsomely by someone.

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  2. wvsteve

    1 year ago

    Really thought the dam would break this week. Hasn’t happened. Maybe slowest week so far. This has been a very boring off season

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 year ago

      Steve – I think it’s all about perspective.

      The trades of huge name players like Soto, Glasnow and Sale.

      The signings of huge name players like ERod, Gray, Nola, Ohtani, Yamamoto, etc.

      Seems active to me.

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    • Joe says...

      1 year ago

      The biggest FAs left are Boras clients. Don’t be in a hurry for them to sign.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 year ago

        Joe – I never understood why he employs this stalling tactic. Does it really work more often than not?

        If I’m running a MLB team, and I have a hole that needs to be filled, I’m not gonna pass up other opportunities just to wait around for Boras clients.

        I would basically tell Boras, if I can’t sign your client by January 10th I’m moving onto somebody else.

        Why not? Teams have the leverage, not players. Teams can always acquire other players or go with what they’ve got, but players always need a job.

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        • Joe says...

          1 year ago

          I agree with you. I wouldn’t let him hold my team’s plan hostage.

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        • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

          1 year ago

          @fever pitch

          He seems to usually do well with this tactic, although it feels like every year there is one Boras client that gets royally shafted.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          More – My only guess is that he can read teams that have such an obsession with his player that he knows they will wait it out.

          Certainly didn’t happen with JD, as Dombrowski got a very good deal on that contract which was signed February 26th.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          1 year ago

          FPG… It’s a strategy that works for him and his clients. Of course, there is sometimes an odd man out who gets screwed – Stephen Drew, Conforto, etc. His player clients know the risk of being represented by him but he comes through more often than not.

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  3. its_happening

    1 year ago

    Blue Jays kinda need a Teoscar-type bat. If KK and Varsho cover a great deal of the OF the Jays can stomach Teoscar playing out there if Springer can’t.

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    • slider32

      1 year ago

      If the Jays are getting over the top it will be their complementary players having great years like the Rangers had last year.

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      • its_happening

        1 year ago

        Rangers could hit, Jays hitting is a big question from cleanup onward. Big differences comparing both teams.

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  4. Macbeth

    1 year ago

    Wander is cooked with new details that are coming out about payments. He’s done. Vasquez level done.

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    • jhomeslice

      1 year ago

      That is truly a tragic shame. A line from my favorite movie “the saddest thing in life is wasted talent”.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        1 year ago

        “A Bronx Tale”?

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        • jhomeslice

          1 year ago

          @yankees You got it. Great story, I didn’t know it was Chaz’s life as a kid until a few years after I saw it. In an interview he said about 80 percent of it was true to life. As a Yankees fan you must appreciate it more than the average person, but I’ve recommended that movie to like 15 people and nobody had anything but great things to say about it. So many people I knew had never heard of it.

          I guess originally Chaz was set to play his own father, with DeNiro being the gangster, but they switched. Would be pretty weird playing your own dad in a movie about your early life! I think they got the casting right in the end.

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        • biffpocoroba

          1 year ago

          I had the pleasure of meeting Chaz back in 2017 during the production of my daughter’s musical in NYC, which had his son in the cast (talented BTW), and he was a great, engaging guy, very supportive of his son and the entire production. A class act.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          1 year ago

          I’ve hung out more than once with the older actor “C” who played DeNiro’s son in the film. He’s friends of a mutual friend. He got in trouble with the law IRL for stupid shiet and did some time. He’s also very much like his character he played. Nice guy from my impressions of him.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          1 year ago

          I really enjoy Chazz as an actor.

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    • Sunday Lasagna

      1 year ago

      Luis Polonia did a short jail stint and played another 10 years. The world was so different 35 years ago. Today he wouldn’t have played again.

      latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-22-sp-898-stor…

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      • TheMan 3

        1 year ago

        Being a pedophile isn’t accepted in any generation

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        • vivalosdoyers

          1 year ago

          Unless you visited Epstein island.

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      • Rsox

        1 year ago

        I read the article and found the excerpt about Nolan Ryan going for his 5000th strike out more interesting.

        The Polonia situation went nowhere either because of “celebrity justice” or the fact that legal age of consent in Wisconsin (at least at the time) was 16, not sure of the remaining details. Franco’s situation now has payouts that look less like blackmail/extortion and more like human trafficking

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    • steelerbravenation

      1 year ago

      Does Wander get paid off that contract still or is there some sort of out for the Rays ?

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      • TheMan 3

        1 year ago

        He was detained and most likely faces prison, no one will be paying him

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      • Balk

        1 year ago

        Steelerbrave… It’s possible the team could attempt to void Franco’s contract at some point, but doing so would be a difficult task. Due to protections negotiated by the MLBPA for guaranteed contracts, MLB teams haven’t had much success trying to void contracts.

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        • The real Oscar Gamble

          1 year ago

          I know there has been injury insurances, I think mostly paid ellsbury mess, but is there POS insurance?

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          MLB teams haven’t had much success trying to void contracts.
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          If they can suspend Bauer for consensual sex, I assume they can suspend Wander for this.

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      • whyhayzee

        1 year ago

        The only place where you can do whatever you want and say whatever you want, is politics. No accountability whatsoever. Everywhere else in this world, there are repercussions. So no, he doesn’t get paid if he broke the law. Because he wasn’t elected. There’s still no system better than democracy, but we sure are trying to destroy it. If only decent human beings with functional brains would run for office.

        Back to baseball.

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        • Balk

          1 year ago

          Whyhayzee…while your comment is how things should be, it’s really a tough scenario with the protections a player has when signing such contract. I’m sure at some point the rays will try to avoid paying most of that contract. As of right now, he’s still receiving a paycheck

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      • jhomeslice

        1 year ago

        You would think the circumstances of this situation would give some legal room to contest the contract for the Rays. 11 years 180M is a crippling loss for a small market team like the Rays to eat. If Wander is convicted and in prison, you would think they won’t have to pay all of it, but what do I know.

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      • RunDMC

        1 year ago

        If/when he’s put on the restricted list, they won’t have to pay out.

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        • Balk

          1 year ago

          Rundmc…even when MLB decides to put him on the restricted list, the MLBPA will comb over that contract and look for ways to stop that from happening. Although I believe that dude shouldn’t be getting squat!

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          But if he’s detained and put on the restricted list, he can’t perform his contractual obligations (i.e. playing), thus why he’s on the restricted list, no?

          I can imagine a scenario where they wouldn’t be able to put him on the list until court proceedings are done, but if there’s a sentence of X time, I’d imagine they can put him on the restricted list during X time since he won’t be able to fulfill his obligations, especially if he admits fault or accepts a plea agreement.

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        • Balk

          1 year ago

          Let’s look at the story of Felipe Vazquez, for example, who was sentenced to four years in prison for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl. Vazquez was under contract for the next four years while he was to be in prison similar to Franco.

          Ultimately the MLB and the Pittsburgh Pirates, the team Vazquez was on at the time, decided to place him on the restricted list and have him tethered to the organization without pay. Thus, technically, he was a “part” of the organization, but the Pirates didn’t have to pay him.

          So I would think in the end you’d be correct

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      • jhomeslice

        1 year ago

        A simple solution would be to put language in mlb contracts stating that conviction of a felony and service of jail time constitutes breach of contract. I don’t see any reason why the MLBPA would be opposed to that, I mean come on. If you can’t stay out of serious off the field trouble, you don’t get paid. Not complicated, and very fair/just.

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        • Unclemike1525

          1 year ago

          I think there are clauses in contracts that have consequences for illegal or immoral behavior. Or the ever popular- Detrimental to baseball. Whether those clauses are the same for every contract or are different for every player, That I have no idea.

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    • drasco036

      1 year ago

      But yet every year people argue for Pete Rose to be in the Hall of Fame despite him being a pedophile.

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      • Unclemike1525

        1 year ago

        Ty Cobb is in the HOF and he’s a known murderer. I know Rose was an all around POS, But the Pedophile part is new to me.

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        • drasco036

          1 year ago

          All you have to do is google it, he admittedly had relations with a 13 year old, claiming he thought she was 16.
          Oh the damage Stump did to Ty Cobb! Ty Cobb was highly unlikely to have killed anyone based on any actual evidence. Stump alleged Cobb bragged about it.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 year ago

      Beth – Maybe Franco is just Urbina done, he’s young enough to come back after prison time.

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      • Rsox

        1 year ago

        He’s young enough, but he would also be radioactive and i can’t see a team in this country willing to take the PR hit for putting him back on the field. Our society loves to cherry pick who “deserves” second chances and given the details trickling out Franco would be a tough sell

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  5. jhomeslice

    1 year ago

    This is the slowest moving offseason of all time, by a mile. At least we know Imanaga has to sign in a week. Will the Cubs do ANYTHING? Jeez, what a disappointment for Cub fans unless they get off the couch. I hope for Belligner and Stroman reuinions, or Chapman.

    Swanson was a good signing last year that showed some willingness to spend, would be surprising to see them do very little this year. Losing Bellinger/Stroman without replacing them would be a big step backward, even if Counsell was a good hire.

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    • drasco036

      1 year ago

      I’d be happy with Stroman if it was 3 years in the 15-17 million AAV range.
      Chapman only makes sense if the Cubs deal Morel and they think he can move to first in the near future. Chapman, Morel and Wisdom potentially in the same line up makes me want to vomit.

      My hopes is Bellinger and Hoskins, Hicks and ideally a starting pitcher on a 2 year deal. I wish the Cubs would have nutted up for Giolito.

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      • Unclemike1525

        1 year ago

        I shudder when I think of Giolito pitching half his games in Wrigley. For that matter, I shudder to think of Giolito pitching half his games in Fenway. I’m not sure Imanaga would be any better than Wicks. If the Cubs play in those waters Montgomery would be my pick. Dude just knows how to pitch. In an interview Hottovy just came out and said his wish list includes 1 starter and 2 Bullpen dudes. Mine too. I don’t think they need Bellinger and Hoskins, But I do think they need one of them. But both would be nice on shorter deals.

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        • drasco036

          1 year ago

          Do they need both, probably not but it never hurts to grab a guy like Hoskins on a one year deal for insurance.
          Giolito to me could be Steele 2.0. He has swing and miss stuff but tries to be perfect and nibbles too often. Just let him throw his stuff, work with Gomes and remind him he has two gold glove middle infielders, three over and if PCA and Madrigal are on the field, two additional great defenders.
          I agree on Imagana being similar to Hicks.

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        • Unclemike1525

          1 year ago

          I would rather the Cubs went after a guy like Luzardo or Cease. With the stipulation it didn’t cost PCA, Horton or Ferris. I think the Cubs have enough prospects to get it done. If it costs any of those 3 the Sox and Marlins can keep them. They could make a deal for decent veteran starter without having to trade any of those guys. Bieber would be a target then or somebody like him. Cleveland would probably like Alcantara or Caissie but I would rather deal Alcantara. Caissie is LH and has more power in the long run I would think. Plus some other P’s would get it done. I think this will drag into Feb.

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        • drasco036

          1 year ago

          See that’s funny because I think Alcantara is going to be better than PCA.
          Giolito is off the board so it doesn’t matter now. Bieber is intriguing but I hate the idea of giving up any prospect(s) for one year of control. Highly regarded prospects that is.
          If I had a choice, and I could either sign Giolito trade at least two of our top prospects for Cease, I’d take Giolito.
          I would entertain the idea of taking Moncada and Cease for a greatly reduced package.

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        • drasco036

          1 year ago

          Bader just got 10 million…

          People are greatly undervaluing Straw, I brought up the Cubs should take on Shaws contract to reduce the prospect capital in a trade for Naylor, I think the Cubs could have easily flipped Straw by adding a small amount of money or just let him be the fourth outfielder for a bit then flip him.

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        • Unclemike1525

          1 year ago

          Moncada is another Madrigal, IL fodder and expensive. At least Madrigal is cheap. Alcantara may well be better than Caissie, But except for Mervis, Where is the LH power in the Cubs system? They have tons of RH bats. If you trade Caissie you better sign Bellinger and hope to God he stays healthy. there’s a chance the Cubs could make Caissie a 1B maybe to fight it out with Mervis. Although Alcantara may be better, He is not more valuable to me. And Alcantara might fetch a bigger prize if you’re right but I get your point.

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        • drasco036

          1 year ago

          Yeah I don’t really care about the production with Moncado, it’s taking his contract so you don’t have to pay an arm and leg prospect wise for Cease. Cubs frankly could give him a look in the spring and then release him or flip him for at least a small amount of salary relief.

          I’m very anti giving up top prospect for minimal control, especially since Cease isn’t the missing link on this team. I’d take on salary to offset the prospect cost. With the said however, I’d give up a haul for Robert and Cease.

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  6. Thec’s

    1 year ago

    The off season is going slow because everyone thinks that they are worth 30 to 40 million a year!

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    • drasco036

      1 year ago

      I agree, the Imanaga market is slow and teams are backing off because the Dodgers decided to go off the rails with Yamamoto. No one wants to pay market value for a question mark.

      It’s also not just the Dodgers screwing up the market, how much did the Cardinals give for Lynn? 15 million to IFK? Phillies shelling out 175 million for a middle of the rotation starter? It’s ridiculous.

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      • vivalosdoyers

        1 year ago

        I’ll take Yamamoto and his contract all day over Lynn, Gioloto, etc.

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  7. steelerbravenation

    1 year ago

    If Hernandez signs with the Angels I hope the Braves could swing a deal with the Angels to get Addel to be the 4th OF.
    I think he could be a nice change of scenery type that Seitzer could eork some magic with.

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    • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

      1 year ago

      Id love the braves to finish off their offseason by making a trade for willy adames if the price is right! Then sign a guy like pillar to be their 4th outfielder and call it an off-season!

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  8. PhilliesFan91

    1 year ago

    Imanaga would be a solid fit for the phillies

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  9. JerseyShoreScore

    1 year ago

    Red Sox: Four years and $72 million for Hernandez.

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    • whyhayzee

      1 year ago

      I like the idea of a righty bopper in that lineup, I just wish he could play better defense. But I guess you can’t have everything.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 year ago

        He might not be a big bopper anymore. His OPS+ has declined from 146 to 131 to 128 to 106. Even if he reverts back to 110-115, he doesn’t strike me as much of a bargain. I’d save my ammo for pitching.

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    • Big whiffa

      1 year ago

      According to sportstrac Red Sox are 77 million below luxury cap. They aren’t that far behind the other teams in Al east. Lock up Montgomery and Hernandez, hope story bounces back to some form, and that team can compete for division

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  10. McGrundle

    1 year ago

    Does a “pitcher friendly ballpark” cause all of the strikeouts? Maybe the “marine layer” shrinks bats or puts a moisture sheen on them that causes the ball to just slip off? According to Mariners stats, they have as much of a problem hitting singles as they do homers!

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    • Ma4170

      1 year ago

      Totally get your point, but when it’s a tougher park to hit in, guys can press more, which can lead to other areas being impacted. Drops in confidence are damaging. Theres a reason guys go to more hitter friendly parks and stats improve beyond what would be expected just from the fences being closer. The hitting backdrop also matters in terms of picking the ball up.
      He was 217-263-380 in seattle and 295-344-486 on the road. Thats a huge difference.

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      • iverbure

        1 year ago

        Mariners have been looking for power since Felix Hernandez rookie year in that park. Time and time again they’ve acquired guys with power who have struggled in Seattle. They don’t seem to have a problem developing pitching though.

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        • Rsox

          1 year ago

          That ballpark is not conducive to power.

          Nelson Cruz hit 84 of his 163 Home Runs in 4 seasons as a Mariner at T-Mobile Park which is basically an outlier as the record holder for Home Runs there is Kyle Seager with 94 and that was over his 11 year career

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      1 year ago

      Hernandez is another classic case of the 3-outcome player we see more and more in the analytics era, though in his case the outcomes are more like two since his BB rate is below average. As a fan I don’t see much appeal in a player with his batting profile but with launch angles and exit velocity being all-important now, he’ll get paid.

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  11. Echopark

    1 year ago

    Why sign Hernandez for 4/80 when you can still sign Duvall for 1/8?

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Sshh…I’m hoping he’ll fall to ATL for OF4 (Kelenic emergency relief fund), but he’ll get a deal somewhere. I’d be shocked if he can’t find a multi-year deal (with a player or vesting option), especially if Hernandez gets 75M.

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  12. Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

    1 year ago

    Yeah, we should bring back segregation. Idiot…

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  13. LambchoP

    1 year ago

    Feel like I’ve been saying the same thing for weeks, but Twins still need SP BADLY! Would love to see them sign Stroman, Imanaga, or trade for Luzardo or one of the young controllable starters from Miami. Not sure any of these actually happen, but it doesn’t change the fact we lost 3/5 of our rotation this offseason and need reinforcements if we’re going to repeat as the central champs… A bit of BP help wouldn’t hurt either…Aroldis Chapman please:)

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