The Mets have remained in contact with representatives for some free agent starters, write Tim Britton and Will Sammon of the Athletic. Britton and Sammon report that right-hander Michael Lorenzen is one of the players with whom New York has touched base.
It doesn’t seem that’s reflective of strong current interest in the 2023 All-Star, however. The Athletic writes that the Mets may be keeping lines of communication open with starters in case they lose another member of their rotation to injury. Presumptive Opening Day starter Kodai Senga suffered a strain in his throwing shoulder last week and isn’t expected to be ready until sometime in May.
[Related: Let’s Find A Home For Michael Lorenzen]
Baseball operations president David Stearns said in the wake of the Senga injury that he didn’t anticipate it’d lead to increased urgency to add another starter. Even if that’s currently the case, losing someone else in the next couple weeks could change the calculus. David Peterson is also out into the middle of the season after undergoing an offseason labrum repair in his left hip.
At the moment, the starting five projects as Luis Severino, José Quintana, Sean Manaea, Adrian Houser and one of José Butto, Tylor Megill or Joey Lucchesi. Waiver pickup Max Kranick also holds a 40-man roster spot. The Mets haven’t added any non-roster starting pitchers with MLB experience this offseason. It’s a reasonably deep group but one without a clear top-end arm while Senga is on the shelf.
To that end, Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote yesterday that the Mets should consider pursuing Jordan Montgomery. The left-hander would knock everyone else down a notch on the rotation depth chart. Unlike Blake Snell, he wouldn’t cost the team a draft choice, since Montgomery was ineligible for a qualifying offer because of a midseason trade. It’s unclear how much his camp is still seeking. Montgomery was reportedly looking for a deal exceeding the seven years and $172MM which Aaron Nola secured early in the offseason. This deep into the winter, a four- or five-year pact appears much more likely.
The Mets still don’t appear willing to make that level of commitment. SNY’s Andy Martino writes that the Mets haven’t been involved on Snell or Montgomery. Martino adds that they’re unlikely to land a starter from the next tier of free agency (e.g. Lorenzen, Mike Clevinger) unless those players’ asking prices fall. Instead, Martino suggests they’re likely to explore depth additions who could be cut loose by another team at the end of Spring Training or would be amenable to a minor league pact.
New York would need to pay a 110% tax on any spending since they’re in the final tier of luxury penalization and have exceeded the threshold in three straight years. Signing Montgomery for $22MM annually, to use a hypothetical, would cost the Mets more than $46MM for the upcoming season after taxes — $22MM to the player, $24.2MM in CBT fees. Signing Lorenzen or Clevinger to a $10MM contract would cost the team $21MM.
Montgomery and Boras need to back off the 7 years. He’s not 28-29 years old. 4 years plus an option is more appropriate, and at this stage that might be pushing it.
“Montgomery and Boras”…Boras ignored the warning signs of the oncoming RSN crisis and went with his usual(only)strategy of declaring his clients “generational” and quickly pricing them out of their true markets.
mlb – What really amazes me is Boras expected teams to wait around for him. They didn’t, they filled their needs by using other agents. He may have many clients, but he doesn’t have a monopoly.
Boras is the most successful agent in the game so stop being amazed. Teams that want championships needs are never filled friend. Always open to adding.Learn and study this game son before you make ridiculous and embarrassing comments.
Except the Mets (subject of this story, BTW) never have “filled their needs” this offseason.
Ah for a guy who has what 40 career wins barely above 500 pitcher. What’s appropriate is for owners to stop giving out long term mega deals to mediocre pitching.
Buddha – “Mediocre pitching” …. thank you for the laugh!
If only my team had “mediocre” pitchers with a 3.48 ERA in 94 starts and 524 IP over the past three seasons.
MLB ERA last year was 4.33 so he’s giving up a full run less per 9 IP and how many pitchers have averaged 31 starts and 176 IP since 2021.
I suppose Judge is just a “mediocre hitter” and Arenado is just a “mediocre fielder” too.
So Montgomery is to pitching what Judge is to hitting and Arenado is to fielding? Hmm… not sure I agree with that.
Hmmmm he has never pitched 200 innings,gives up close to 4 runs a game. But he isn’t mediocre..?
Has won double digit games once !!! And has 1 yes 1 complete game in his ENTIRE mlb career. I’m laughing because mediocre is a generous word for Jordan Montgomery.
King Buddha,
Your citing of wins, winning percentage, 200 IP, and complete games indicates you still think it’s the ’80s. Team evaluations are well beyond those dated tools now.
@Fever Pitch Guy
Well said.
The inanity of people using career ERA despite a pitcher having become superb in his last three years.
Do what Montgomery has done over the last three seasons long enough, and they usually put you in the HOF.
Hall of Fame??? His ERA+ over the last 3 years is 121. Very solid but nowhere near the Hall of Fame.
Montgomery is a barely 500 pitcher. 1 complete game in his entire career. Gives up close to 4 runs a game. Never ever came close to 200 innings. And you knucklehead start with the mlb average. Aaron judge? Montgomery is mediocre at best. Not a numerous 1 not a number 2 gulp maybe a number three.
Arenado has become a below-average fielder.
That’s to complicated a thought for the fever man.
It seems not because Montgomery isn’t getting paid Einstein.
I’m crying I’m laughing so hard from this jackstrawberry character.
Using pitcher wins and complete games for pitcher evaluation is… lol.
The fact that he called someone ‘son’ means he still is in the 1980’s.
What are you saying? He isn’t good? I mean the Yankees traded him, the cardinals traded him and the rangers didn’t sign him. Sounds like you know something these other teams know they all three have plenty of money to pay this one post season wonder.
The wins are irrelevant. The ERA is the key factor. Felix Hernandez won a cy young with a stellar era and an unimpressive win total. On the flip side, I used to watch Kyle Kendrick get 11 or so wins a yr and have an era over 4. Wins are a team stat, era is an individual stat. Old saying, good pitcher on a bad team. Now hitters are still measured by batting average. Unless you play in Philly and you bat .189 they lead you off bc you hit homers. I’m not a fan of that.
liberty,
Hitters shouldn’t be measured by batting average because it’s a poor stat. It doesn’t describe how well you get on base or how much power you have. OBP and SLG are much better choices.
I disagree. Batting average gets measured at every level. Especially over a course of 162 games and with more than 300 at bats for a player. I believe in the other stats too. Very key and important. But a batting average is not just nice to look at it means something in the overall equation and evaluation and measure of a player.
liberty, just because everyone uses it doesn’t mean it’s good. It was created about 150 years ago and stuck. Now we know better. Its value is limited.
If it means something, what does it mean? If there’s a guy on third base, and a hit will bring him in as the tying or go-ahead run late, sure, BA is good to know. Otherwise, other stat correlate better to winning.
BA shouldn’t be overvalued, but I see it undervalued way too often now. Hits are what move runners more than one base at a time and can also create misplays. BB are still the lowest correlation with runs when compared with hits of any kind. BA isn’t the most important stat, but it shouldn’t be minimized.
I’m not discrediting other stats. They tell a lot and are truly valued and insightful regarding a player’s value and ability but look at all the good hitters from 150 yrs ago to even today. .270 and above is a mark of a guy who can swing it and probably excels in the other stat categories for the most part. Not too many sub .250 lifetime hitters in the HOF. Great example, if the Phillies in the NLCS game 7 had anyone hitting around .300 on the bench, Rojas who hit .093 gets pinch hit for. Lastly, if you ask a ball player if his batting average matters, he’ll tell you it does in some way or other. Unless you can hit 30 to 50 homers, you better hit close to .300 to stick around.
Player A: 7525 AB, .295 BA, .343 OBP, .361 SLG
Player B: 8352 AB, .267 BA, .380 OBP, .527 SLG
Who do you prefer and why?
Wins are irrelevant. Aĥhhhhhhhh isn’t that the point of this game. Why it’s pay to play. You are most certainly dismissed.
KB,
Yes, wins are the point of playing the game…for teams. Attributing 100% of that success or failure to one player who has less than 50% of the influence on the outcome is silly.
“You are most certainly dismissed.’
What an arrogant comment.
I’m looking for where in my comment I attribute winning to one player… wow I can’t seem to find it.
KB,
You cited pitcher wins several times as if they are important, and the only players who get credited with a win and loss in game are an individual pitcher per team. It’s not a big cognitive leap.
@gbs. Well the one’s pretty straightforward for me bc the SLG and even OBP are so much higher. Going by the study I read, OPS is highest correlation w runs, then SLG, then OBP, then BA. Essentially, hitting for extra bases generates the most runs as long as people are on base. Any extreme though is risky, like a team of only three true outcome hitters can go into longer slumps. I think a fun comp would be something like this where a case can be made for each and prob depends on the makeup of the rest of the lineup:
A – 295/350/440
B – 250/355/490
Ma4170,
Player B in my example probably fits liberty’s definition of “30 to 50 homers” guy. I wonder if anyone knows which two real players those are.
Of your choices, I’d take B all day long because gets on base slightly more and hits for notable more power.
I could see a case for either in my example but its the kind of tougher choice teams often have to make. OBP driven more by hits than walks will have more value, but those extra bases are enticing.
Ill have to give some thought to yours, wasnt sure if real or not.
@gbs
These are wrong, but in your example my mind went to Willie Wilson and Matt Holliday (but that average is too low for holliday)
@Ma4170 A and B aren’t close. Singles are only worth a little more than walks—only a little because putting the ball in play also has significant downsides. It can advance runners two bases, but a DP’s costs are only beaten by TP’s.
Cognitive leap for someone trying to defend themselves in a debate they can never win. Bottom line is you are accustomed to watching mediocre pitchers like Montgomery and his ilk. They impress you. I’m not impressed. I like pitchers who go 8. I like pitchers who stay around long enough to win more than they lose. 40 career wins. Laughable.
@Ma4170,
Juan Pierre and Mike Schmidt
Love it… that’s funny you picked Schmidt. As a met fan even I couldn’t despise him. He was amazing to watch over a career.
What’s appropriate is the best offer he can get. Specifics such as years, dollars, and possible opt-outs will and should be determined by the market, however limited that may be now.
Whatever they are, so be it.
These things won’t be determined by randos like us baselessly speculating on Internet comment threads.
Blue Barrons a swazi sympathizer. That’s appropriate
Swazi?
Sorry, but I have no connection to the Bantu people in South Africa.
Are you referring to something or someone else?
Very well read too. Take what you make of it Red Baron
Funny Baron, you couldn’t help but make a baseless comment on my “rando” comment. First paragraph advanced nothing, middle line was nothing, the final paragraph was you saying you’re still upset.
You are consistent at bringing nothing. I’ll give you that.
I like to think red baron, really makes me dig deep for material
it’s_happ,
You threw out your baseless opinion of what Montgomery and Boras “need” to do. Baron replied that market forces are more appropriate to set contract terms than the opinion of someone in this comment thread.
He brought a lot more value to the discussion than you did.
@its_happening: I have no idea why you’re so upset, but you do project that onto others, specifically me, as if it helps you deal with it.
You seem like quite the angry, hostile individual, but I can’t help you with your unhappiness. You need to own and deal with that yourself.
No anger here. I didn’t have to resort to name calling to make an accurate point. But if being misinformed and bringing zilch to the table is what gets you through the night, all is well.
Most of us bring more and are far better informed than you, although that’s not saying much.
Nobody’s resorting to name calling in lieu of, you know, facts.
But your doubling down on personal comments makes your hostility shine through.
its,
I don’t know why Blue Baron felt the need to psychoanalyze you, but I still think he brought more to the discussion than you did.
Mets have the money, but Jordan Montgomery is an average pitcher during the regular season, but terrific in the playoffs
Heck Ryu might have been a good fit for the Mets but I think he is gone too, there is some drama though, but I think it is a done deal
Or the Mets could gamble on a one year deal with Trevor Bauer
If it doesn’t work out, then it is not a big loss
Trevor Bauer? Really?
Yeah, Bauer. Why not. He can still pitch and there are actually guys that got convicted who were given a second chance but I guess nothing for the guy that was accused and not found guilty and the other party recanted. So yeah, Bauer for many reasons and I hate the Mets. But they guy should be on an MLB roster.
“Yeah, Bauer”…MLB is a family friendly sport and you can certainly understand why teams are hesitant to bring him in. Bauer is not banned, but would need to find a team willing to take the heat, unwelcome attention and criticism that comes with bringing him in.
Bauer is old news. A soon to be forgotten stain on mlb history. A blip on the screen. A do you remember that guy Bauer? Nevermore Nevermore.
And if Bauer performs like an ace than what? If he takes the mets to the playoffs than what??? Too damn sensitive now a days.. mets should sign him!
I disagree with the stain part. I can name you many guys that have been convicted of crimes and come out on the good side of the MLB.
And I mean a list dating back 50 years. People said Strawberry and Gooden would never play again either.
I watched the Phillies sign two guilty domestic abusers in Odubel Herrera and Familia. If they can get signed, why not Bauer who is neither guilty in a court of law, indicted or convicted.
Strawberry and Gooden only abused themselves. But nice try.
Buddha – bet they did more than abuse themselves. Don’t kid yourself.
I’m sorry but the MLB does not care deep down about family friendly. They care about money. So I agree with half your statement. Some Current guys on MLB rosters are not family friendly. Previous dudes dating back since the first game was played were not family friendly. The hall of fame is filled with family unfriendly dudes. Many ball players are creeps. 70% of the guys I grew up watching were jerks. I remember when the eagles signed Michael Vick who actually committed a crime. They took a chance. People got upset, he played well, some got over it, some stayed upset, more people watched and went to eagles games than those who didn’t. It will be fine. If Odubel Herrera and familia and deshawn Watson, Omar vizquel, Brett Myers, Bobby Cox, marcel ozuna, and more all got a chance to play again, coach again or remain on a HOF ballot after their playing career in the case of Vizquel. Then there are other guys who committed crimes and came back across all 4 sports. Strawberry, gooden, Ray Lewis, and Michael Irving all lived to play another day. Orlando Cepeda the hall of famer was convicted of smuggling drugs. His plaque is still up in one of the most family friendly place in the USA and that’s cooperstown. So we as a society and fan base are inconsistent with who gets to be in and who gets kept out.
Strawberry and gooden were true stains on the game to use your words. Their recklessness, although a sickness and an addiction, was not a good look for baseball and baseball did a poor job helping those guys, understanding their problem and keeping them away from the game for the good of themselves and the good of the game. Their mark on fans, young fans, young black fans and upcoming black players especially was a bad image across the nation. Instead of seeing the good that guys like Ozzie smith and Tony Gwynn did for the black community within the MLB during that time, straw and doc were the opposite and not a good representation of the sport. But nice try.
You are 100 percent correct.
Ahhh memories. Your post brought to mind Albert Belle and the forearm shiver
Pitching coach Pete Walker had a dui in spring training in 2022. He’s still working. They forgave a guy that could’ve hurt someone based on how fast he was driving.
Bauer, like him or not, brings attention to the game of baseball.
Bauer doesn’t exist anymore in mlb. Bauer is finished. Accused and found guilty in the court of public opinion gets you banned.
He’s way better than average. An average MLB pitcher these days doesn’t have a FIP under 3.7 for consecutive seasons. Or are you an old-school wins and losses guy?
I should have qualified that as a starting MLB pitcher.
Even an ‘ole shool guy like myself looks at Montgomery’s ERA, and that says that he’s been a pretty strong SP over the last few seasons.
I don’t know what the guy is looking at in calling him average.
Well, I care about results
Well, I guess then that when he was healthy you would’ve considered Jacob deGrom an “average” pitcher since he didn’t get a ton of wins during his later years with the Mets due to lack of run support, except when he provided it himself with his bat…
phenom
DeGrom 2018 – basically average pitcher. – 10 and 9
pay no attention to the ERA less than half the league average – no, really, pay no attention to ERA
But also don’t pay attention to nerd stats like FIP which says he would be expected to give up runs at half the rate of lhe league average. Or xFIP which says he’d only give up about 2/3 as many runs as the league average. Pay no attention to the fact he struck out hitters at 144% of the league rate while walking only 64% of the league rate.
All that matters is the “results”
“Well, I care about results”
Well, the results, whether you look at analytics like some of these other posters or “ole school” stats like I do, we all agree that Montgomery is better than average.
I’d like to know what results you’re looking at. Even us “ole school” guys don’t look only at wins and losses if that’s what you’re looking at because a guy that has a 17-8 record and ERA of 4.00 (1984 Milt Wilcox) is not better than a guy that has a 13-12 records with a 2.27 ERA (2010 Felix Hernandez).
And a guy with Montgomery’s numbers the last few years aren’t just average. Is he elite? No. But he’s not average.
Lefty, if Montgomery comes close to his regular season numbers with your team’s offense, you’ll get your results.
But yes, Bauer would help your rotation also. People against the idea of signing Bauer need to get over it.
Of course I know that he’s on a different level. I was responding to the “I care about results” comment.
Phenom
I was using sarcasm to agree with you
I’m old school does he have talent. Does he have consistency. Does he show up every 5th day. No Montgomery isn’t that guy.Does he give me 7 or 8. Is he a 1 no a 2 no a 3 maybe on very average staff. Montgomery has produced only 1 double digit winning season. Think about that.
LOF
“Jordan Montgomery is an average pitcher during the regular season”
Career ERA is 12% better than league average (88 ERA-)
Career FIP is 13% better than league average (87 FIP-)
Career xFIP is 7% better than league average (93 xFIP-)
*https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jordan-montgomery/16511/stats?position=P
In the last 3 years
ERA is 15% better than league average (85 ERA-)
FIP is 14% better than league average (86 FIP-)
xFIP is 10% better than league average (90 xFIP-)
How have you concluded that he is average?
His era+ suggests he’s a 2 with 1 upside. Your bias suggests he’s average.
At this point really curious what Montgomery and Boras think they can get ? I would think he would take something ongoing the 5 year range around $100 mil by now but who knows
Yes I would rather do that, than cough up millions of dollars for no real reason
I don’t see the Mets getting Montgomery, considering they’re trying to drop under the tax bracket for 2025.
Yep. They’ll already be at like $160-180 million next year depending on options and Arb increases. Doesn’t give them much to play with, especially if they want to re-sign Pete.
I could see them adding Lorenzen, but only on a one year deal and presumably only if he drops his asking price down below $7 million or more. Probably not happening.
That’s not it, really. They can add Montgomery and still get under in 2025.
It’s more, why waste the first two years of a five year FA deal (the two years when 60% of the deal’s value tends to accrue), seasons when the Mets won’t be contending, and be stuck carrying Montgomery’s 3rd, 4th, and 5th FA years just when you’d want to be starting fresh in 2026, 2027, and 2028, assembling a contender through young players and premium FAs—and not carrying a $30m a year starter who rates to be in significant decline?
Yes. Excellent point about the wasted years. Don’t get me wrong, the Mets have enough talent to surprise people with a playoff appearance, but they key word there is “surprise.” This is a reset year.
Von the reset started last year.
Maybe in terms of gameplay, but not spending. The Mets set records in spending last year.
I think he’ll age well with his pitching style, but you’re right objectively. I do think he can still be a strong three over five years but hes likely asking for a higher AAV than theyd want to go.
Remember that Quintana, Severino and Houser are all gone after 24, Manaea after 25, and Senga can opt out after 25 too. Montgomery might be the innings eating vet by 26..
Now with his injury, Senga may not be able to opt out. He has an innings minimum required in his first three years in order for the opt out to vest. If he misses significant time this year, there is no guarantee that he’ll hit that number.
I wasnt aware of the 400ip needed to trigger the clause, thanks for raising that. Isn’t that an interesting position where its actually in their financial interests in terms of the opt out not to rush him back, which they obviously shouldn’t anyway.
Manaea’s also gone after 2024 given his player opt out, assuming he doesn’t have a bad year.
Diaz can opt out after 2025, too.
I did know about manaea… he’s someone who could put up a decent year and then would clearly opt out. Diaz I also wasn’t aware of.
Surprised the more sensible contingent of NYM fans wouldn’t want to see a guy like Butto get a real shot until Senga and then Peterson are back. Also have Vasil/Scott/Hamel waiting in wings.
Butto’s ceiling is an okay #5 on a good team.
Scott’s the only one with as much as mid-rotation promise but with, what was it…. 12 starts, 61 innings, more or less above A-ball, why bring him up and start his clock during a wasted season in the era of 4/$70m deals for 150-inning MORs?
It’s funny, the one who looks to have the highest ceiling when watching is Tidwell, even though he’s obviously more likely a 2025 debut if he continues to develop and can keep the walks down.
@Ma4170 Tidwell’s got stuff and durability. He kept the BB’s down in college, both years, so I’m optimistic he’ll get the control back—but the HR have always been a problem, and it only got worse when he went to AA, admittedly w/ a SSS.
Still, 1.1 allowed or more every season is a trend. We shall see. My nickel’s on Scott!
I love Scott’s control and he just seems like a more well rounded pitcher. And yes, Tidwell has the stuff and is a little HR prone, like some power pitchers can be for sure.
I’ll take both of them please!
Mets rotation plan? Plan B- possibly 1 more injury away from head scratching, finger pointing oblivion.
@cguy The only flaw in that comment is how without Senga sweet oblivion already owned the Mets.
As far as the Mets rotation “plan”, I PLAN on covering my eyes every time a Mets starter pitches through the first 4 innings! I plan on stocking up on plenty of Maalox and beer to get through ’24!
Maalox makes a good chsser.
Maalox and beer? Liquid nitro for the bowels! Brooklyn blastoff!
What kind of beer?
Brooklyn lager. Plenty hoppy.
Nice for Brooklyn, but pilsners rule in summertime Queens. Looking forward to whats new in 24.
No need to mention what those vulgar neandarthals drink in bronx, but it originates from the north end of a horse facing south.
“We plan on having a rotation. Thank you.”
As I said, they should have kept one of Verlander or Scherzer. Now they don’t even have an ace to start the season. Looking at a 4th place finish.
Andyes, they’re both old, but they at least bring publicity. Completely understood trading one away, but they should have kept the other
Cohen is a stock trader NOT a businessman.
@Mac Attack Strong point. People often mistake the two, but to succeed in both requires very, very different skill sets.
Maybe the Mets got smart .
I understood this opinion at the time of the trade like maybe the Mets still had a shot to sneak in playoffs but I think it’s a silly hill to die on today.
They’re both old and injuries are frequent. We got 3 very promising prospects and the direction we’re heading is more sustainable. Why would you only HALF commit to a rebuild?
Mets are not signing Lorenzen, Montgomery, or Snell. Or any other pitcher with more than a few hundred innings of MLB experience. Let the kids play!
“People call me all the time and say, Man, your players aren’t signed yet. Well, it doesn’t really matter what time dinner is when you’re the steak.” – Scott Boras
Thank God I canceled MLB.com for the 24 season. It was more fun watching Casey’s Mets in the 60’s. At least they knew they sucked. Pete needs to go free agent and get away. Nimmo wishes he was a Giant.
MA
You know there are 29 other MLB teams, right? P;lus cpllege, minor league teams, independent teams, foreign leagues, etc…
But, if you don’t like baseball, there’s also infinite other forms of entertainment you can spend your time and money on
Their 5 man rotation is everyone else’s leftovers lol.
A lot of things would have to go right for the Mets to do anything this upcoming season.
DDC
Troll
Nothing but negative comments
Truth hurts.
DDC
Quit trolling, then
Truth hurts.
DDC
Ii don’t mean to hurt you
Just calling it like it is
You’re a troll who just makes negative comments because that’s the only way you can get attention.
But he’s right. Seems the fact that Senga is banged up and the stats you yourself posted below support what he’s saying.
Sterns isn’t going to jump feet first for any long term contracts this year. The Mets will make a run at Soto next year for sure
Enjoyed Montgomery as a Yankee, and was pushing for him to make the Yankees rotation when many of the professionals said he was a bullpen arm or a AAA pitcher. Last year I figured he’d be looking at a 5/90. Now a hot finish and Boras as his agent has him thinking $175. No with a capital N. He’s still approximately the same pitcher. Streaky. A decent #3. Pay accordingly.
A decent #3 gets 4 years/$70mm…
Lorenzen was solid for the Tigers last year (and a superstar for 2 games with the Phillies). He would be a good pickup.
You sort of forgot to mention how terrible he was after those 2 games for the Phillies.
Yeah there was that. A lot of people are of the opinion that not being used to a starters workload over a full season just caught up with him.
Mets projected (FG DC) rotation. IP, ERA, FIP, WAR
Senga 130, 3.69, 3.87, 2.3
Peterson 59, 3.98, 4.00, 0.9
Manea 158, 4.32, 4.25, 2.2
Quintana 160, 4.41,, 4.39, 1.7
Severino 138, 4.52, 4.40, 1.6
Megill 68, 4.59, 4.63, 0.6
Luchessi 26, 4.59, 4.68, 0.3
Houser 128, 4.56, 4.70, 1.0
Butto 9, 4.63, 4.71, 0.1
Lorenzen 146, 4.72, 4.70, 1.2
I don’t see him as any upgrade on anyone they have in house. If the Mets are ready to roll with some of their younger minor leaguers, I say they should go for it.
Throw the Senga projections out the window, he’s not likely to hit those numbers any longer.
More BS they aren’t getting Lorenzsen
The Mets should sign Cleavinger and Bauer. It would cost less than 10 million dollars in total. Move Houser to the bullpen and the rotation is set. Once Senga comes back, move whoever is unperforming to the bullpen. Sean Manaea has some experience as a reliever but hes actually my favorite starter second to Senga for this season. Manaea is going to surprise a lot of people
Clevinger probably wants 10 which is 21 considering the tax. Bauer not gonna happen. They will pick up off the scrap heap at end of spring training then reload next off-season once there is a reset.
It occurs to me the GM’s, agents and players may no be listening to our comments.
3 big free agents out there are Boras clients, he’s screwing them by asking for way too much, now some teams turned elsewhere
I don’t buy the idea that Boras is entirely at fault, His players could say “make the deal” any time they want. What I do think is that this is where conflict of interest comes into play, since there’s only so much money out there to chase free agents. He should be advising them of that. MLB may finally have found a de facto salary cap. As to Montgomery….is life going to be so miserable with 3 years, $75M?
Boras did a poor job advising his clients. There are 30 teams but how many are financially capable and WILLING to sign a player to a contract of say 7/175? He should have been targeting the teams that fit the profile immediately when free agency started. Then went back to his clients and advised them. Kinda like waiting to book a hotel during a major convention on an hours notice. He waited way too long. A sharp agent would have quickly realized there were few buyers at the level. It should not have taken until almost March to realize this.
The question is how the Mets & their mediocre roster are in such a high cap tax bracket? Are the players not ashamed of taking advantage of such a stunted intelligent front office?
Believe they are still paying a lot of Mad Max and JV’s salary. A lot comes off the books at the end of the year.
Dumpster diving Dave and crooked cohen driving this franchise into the ground…
Boros wants to exceed Nola money for a client who has half the wins of the player compared too, higher ERA, TJS history, and a year older.
4/100. Player option year one, team option year two.
As for the Mets it makes no sense. He’s not enough to turn things around, the season is over before it begins, and he’s going to cost slightly more than double if I’m correct due to the luxury tax.
Pass.
mets buried themselves b y signing justin verlander last year.
@jonb-4 They had an old rotation in 2022 and were foolish enough to think that because they got lucky in 2022 with Scherzer (5.4 bWAR) and Carrasco (his first year since 2019 with an ERA below 5.25 in more than 80 innings pitched), and all of Bassit, Walker, deGrom, and even Peterson being strong contributors, that they could risk getting even older in 2023 with the 40 year old Scherzer, Carrasco at age 36, Quintana at 34, ancient closer, ancient setup man…
It was like watching a man standing near a landslide escaping death but thinking he was invulnerable because he got away with it—so he went to stand directly in front of the mountain.
Can you elaborate or not really?
Senga will be out until June 1st – it doesnt matter Mets have already punted on the season so why rush him
Mets guy here. Can we stop with the top tier FA talk. Cohen is trying to rid himself of staggering contracts this offseason, especially since we are at the top tier of luxury tax. Signing anyone is double on what we pay. Yeah, let’s sign a guy for 175 mil and end up paying 350 mil for him. Stay hold year this year, remember? Stick internal or if you can get a guy on a flier, like lorenzen for maybe 1 year at 10 mil, which would equal 20 mil, maybe, but otherwise, butto, megill would work in the short term. Let’s be realistic TradeRumors