Feb. 20, 10:37am: Hendriks will earn $2MM in 2024 and $6MM in 2025, per Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com. There’s also a $2MM buyout on the 2026 option, which is valued at $12MM. The $10MM worth of incentives in the deal are all tied to Hendriks’ 2025 performance, Cotillo adds. Half of that incentives package is tied to games finished, and the other half is tied to Hendriks’ total innings pitched. There are no incentives tied to the 2024 season.
10:25am:: The Red Sox have formally announced the signing of Hendriks to a two-year contract with a mutual option for a third season. This weekend’s trade of righty John Schreiber to the Royals opened a 40-man spot in Boston, so a corresponding move for Hendriks isn’t necessary.
Feb. 19: The Red Sox are reportedly in agreement with right-hander Liam Hendriks on a two-year deal that will guarantee him $10MM, though he can earn as much as $20MM via incentives. There’s also a 2026 mutual option for the ALIGND Sports Agency client. The deal is pending a physical.
Hendriks, 35, was the AL’s Comeback Player of the Year award winner in 2023 after he managed to return to the mound five months after he began undergoing treatment for non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma in early January before announcing that he was cancer-free in April. Unfortunately, Hendriks’ amazing comeback was cut short after just five appearances due to a bout of elbow inflammation, which ended up leading to the veteran undergoing Tommy John surgery back in August. Hendriks’ lengthy impending rehab led the White Sox to decline their club option on his services for the 2024 season, allowing him to hit the open market back in November.
While 2023 was something of a lost season for Hendriks, he’s long been one of the most dominant relievers in the sport. The right-hander debuted as a starting pitcher with the Twins back in 2011, though he struggled in the role for Minnesota, Kansas City, and Toronto with a 5.92 ERA in 39 appearances across four seasons before the Blue Jays decided to move him to the bullpen full time in 2015. The role change did wonders for Hendriks’ performance, as he pitched to a strong 2.92 ERA with an even better 2.14 FIP across 64 2/3 innings of work for the club that year. That season, Hendriks struck out a solid 27.2% of batters faced while allowing free passes at a minimal 4.2% clip.
The Blue Jays didn’t retain Hendriks after his breakout campaign, instead dealing him to the Oakland A’s prior to the 2016 season. During his first few years in Oakland, Hendriks came back down to earth a bit, pitching to relatively middling results out of the club’s bullpen with a 4.01 ERA and a 3.24 FIP across 152 2/3 innings of work from 2016 to 2018. Hendriks returned to form in 2019, however. When then-A’s closer Blake Treinen struggled to a 4.91 ERA during the 2019 season, Hendriks took over the closer’s role and did not look back with an incredible 1.80 ERA with a 1.78 FIP in 85 innings of work.
The righty continued that strong performance in 2020, his final year of club control. He headed into the open market after racking up 14 more saves in the shortened season, posting a 1.78 ERA thanks to a huge 40.2% strikeout rate and tiny 3.3% walk rate. He landed a three-year, $54MM deal with the White Sox with a complicated club option for 2024. The salary and buyout on that option were both $15MM, though the buyout would spread the payouts over a 10-year period.
He continued to serve as a lockdown closer for the first two years of that deal before, as mentioned, going through various challenges in the third. With Hendriks looking at missing at least the first few months of 2024, the White Sox went for the $15MM opt-out instead of the $15MM salary. Despite those matching figures, they will save money in long run by holding that money, collecting interest on it and paying it out later when inflation has reduced its value.
Hendriks went into the open market unable to market himself for much of the 2024 season. He is targeting a trade deadline return from last year’s surgery, though that would be on the ambitious end of typical Tommy John recovery timelines since he just went under the knife a year ago.
It would obviously be great news if Hendriks is back on the mound in August or September but the signing for the Red Sox is more about 2025. The club has Kenley Jansen and Chris Martin as their top relievers this year but both are impending free agents and each have been in trade rumors this offseason. The club seems to have little hesitation about subtracting from this year’s relief corps, as they recently traded John Schreiber and flipped Nick Robertson earlier in the winter as part of the Tyler O’Neill deal.
Overall, the club’s offseason has been more focused on the future than the present. The move for O’Neill and the signing of Lucas Giolito were nice adds for this year, but they’ve also been seemingly trying to keep payroll fairly low and have sent out players with minimal club control like Chris Sale and Alex Verdugo. While they’re not exactly tearing things down to the studs as part of a deep rebuild, they do seem to be aware that they need to think about the long term after a couple of last place finishes in the A.L. East in past two seasons.
Signing Hendriks fits into that, as he will upgrade next year’s roster more than this one’s. There’s also some financial wiggle room due to their relatively modest winter. Roster Resource pegs their current payroll at $181MM, even after the Hendriks signing. Per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, they were twice were over $230MM a few years back and at $207MM two years ago. RR also has their competitive balance tax now at $202MM, nowhere near the $237MM base threshold of the tax.
If the Sox find themselves in contention later this year, perhaps Hendriks can come back from his rehab and join their bullpen for the stretch run. But for next year, he potentially gives the club an elite closer at a relative modest salary, providing an early solution to the departures of Jansen and Martin.
Chris Cotillo and Sean McAdam of MassLive first reported the sides were nearing an agreement and that Hendriks was present at the club’s Spring Training facility in Florida. Buster Olney of ESPN first had the two years and $10MM guarantee. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com relayed the 2026 mutual option. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported the potential to get to $20MM via incentives.
Why would he choose them????????????????
Money mate, money.
Trill – Exactly, because the Red Sox have a history of giving out dumb contracts in this type of situation.
Coming back at Age 36 from TJS?
Sure the Red Sox will take that gamble …. after all, it worked “so well” with Paxton and others, right?
Probably a 2 year deal to let him rehab and get a full year of him next year. Surprised Woodruff hasn’t signed that sort of deal yet
Maybe nobody wants to give 20m for 2025 for a pitcher whose recovery is far from certain, in these cable-affected times.
I swear Bloom is still running things lol
Very happy for Liam. I’ll always be a Red Sox fan, going back to Rico Petrocelli, Burleson, etc. He’s going to a team that is at least trying to win (I know some people will think otherwise) but at least he’s away from the team that could care less about being competitive, let alone trying to win.
Doesn’t it really indicate Bloom was ownership’s lap dog more than anything else with respect to configuring the MLB roster?
Red Sox fans have gone downhill awfully fast if the comparison is now the White Sox.
Or perhaps it just makes more sense that ownership is more involved than you realize. I guarantee Kennedy is sticking his nose in this crap
It worked out fine with Paxton. It ended up being 1 fWAR for $10 million, and he was darned good before the wheels fell off down the stretch.
It actually worked great with Paxton so not sure what you mean. Paxton was a top 5 pitcher in the AL for 2/3 of the season
lol not $20M. Only guarantee $10M.
At least Bloom built the farm, this clown has done nothing
I like all his moves so far…it’s just he’s handcuffed by Henry…he’s the cheapskate…Love Breslow so far he just has a budget…great youth moves twice, good 1 yr deals with upside, NO ACES or #2s is ALL cheapskate Henry. Iffy Gio move for that money but if he does well he’s gone anyway before Henry potentially removes his head from that place.
dewey – Bloom followed Henry’s orders, as any employee would do with their boss. We all knew Bloom was brought in to reduce payroll and operate the “Rays Way”.
But that doesn’t excuse Bloom for horrific contracts like Story’s, or insulting Xander with a ridiculous lowball offer, or making horrific trades such as Mondesi. All of those moves were clearly 100% on Bloom, budget had nothing to do with it.
dewey – Yeah we’ve been through an awful lot of crap the past 5 years, with each passing year it takes it’s toll more and more.
not – I don’t know what’s sadder …you not realizing the Sox paid $14M for 96 innings of 4.50 pitching, or that there’s two upvotes for your comment.
Tomato – $14M for 96 innings of 4.50 ERA pitching is far from “great” no matter how you look at it.
making horrific trades such as Mondesi.
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Yeah, how can we survive without Taylor’s 8.15 ERA.
Don’t forget one of the reasons we’re not going forward yet. Pitching.
Sox aren’t going to spend until they’re reading to contend. Not going to spend until they develop the next wave. Bloom knew this and Boston still has one of the worst pitching development systems in MLB after his 5 years.
Fever – Let the BS about Bloom lie dormant in some cave never to be discussed again. Your interpretation of what Henry was thinking is just ONE possibility. The act of firing a GM who won 3 straight unprecedented division titles and a ring after having 2/3 of a bad year due to Cora will live in history as one of the most bizarre acts by an owner. To suggest you are in his head and understand this unpredictable possibly schizophrenic owner is not something that anyone should accept as true. You have guesses, that’s all.
Bloom is gone and Breslow just made his FIRST good move. We should be focusing on that and let dead dogs lie.
Joe – Bloom wasted $3M for a player who wasn’t even close to playing at all last year, that money could have been put to good use at the trade deadline.
Meanwhile Taylor is under team control for two more years.
This was all discussed earlier, do try to keep up.
Fever – It’s important to note
NOT is a paid influencer who has recently joined the website to spew COMPANY COMMENTS. Yes, just like Bloom had his influencers, this guy NOT is a Breslow or Red Sox influencer blowing sunshine up our hind quarters. It’s all BS.
It’s hilarious how we’re back to everyone who disagrees with KD17 is an influencer.
TF – Great post! Unfortunately the stench from the Bloom Era will not dissipate until all his mistakes are gone …. and with guys like Story signed for several more years, it will be a while.
You’re absolutely right though, Henry is easy to read and the true franchise destroyer when he forced Dombrowski out.
TF – I think I’ve responded to only one or two of their posts, but I will keep that in mind! As long as they are civil I’m fine with their corporate rhetoric.
I don’t think everyone who gets fingered as an ‘influencer’ by anyone actually is, but, some may be.
And I also wouldnt doubt one bit that there ARE various interns or influencers retained by marketing to help nudge perception and opinion in desired directions by the team.
It’s also why I encourage everyone who is a passionate member of the fanbase to voice their opinions – back them up with *why* – but voice them nonetheless.
If ideas are bouncing around public forums, and start to see a following grow, they WILL be seen.
And that’s the closest anyone will ever get to having a say with the direction of the club, that and voting with their wallets.
Fever, late replying. I don’t agree on not blaming Henry for the big offers. Everything that potentially costs bucks goes through him in my view. Such specifically includes Bogie’s offer. It’s apparent as to why DD really left. Mondedi? With no ability to spend, risks are the only option.
“It worked out fine with Paxton. It ended up being 1 fWAR for $10 million, and he was darned good before the wheels fell off down the stretch.“
– Did you even read what you wrote before posting this mess? How can something work “fine” yet have “the wheels fall off”? It was an awful signing.
GASox – I totally agree! This common tactic of having “plants” in popular messageboards is done not just with sports, but everything. Do you invest in stocks? The number of paid pumpers and bashers is crazy.
Not sure how you feel about Jim Bowden, but a few years ago he wrote an in-depth summary of the trade process from inception to completion. And he actually admitted some trade ideas came from fans …. who woulda thunk it?
dewey – No worries, sometimes I miss messages altogether because I never subscribe to email notification.
I really think, like with any business, there’s a threshold for ownership approval of expenditures. Someone like John Henry is simply too busy to review and discuss every signing.
You have it backwards with Mondesi. With no ability to spend, you don’t take $3M high risk gambles. That’s like barely having enough money to buy food, but going out and buying a $20 scratch ticket. It’s foolish.
yewed
Don’t forget one of the reasons we’re not going forward yet. Pitching. Sox aren’t going to spend until they’re reading to contend.
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I understand that, even if I don’t completely disagree.
But we are still going to need pitching next year, and maybe a lot of it. Giolito will either be weak or be gone. And Pivetta will be gone. And it is unlikely that we can get four decent+ SPs out of Crawford, Houck, Whitlock and Winc. We’ll do real well if even two of them turned out to be #3/4 types.
This was all discussed earlier, do try to keep up.
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And I explained all this to you. In our position, a gamble of $2M on a SS was easily worth a guy that probably would’ve been non-tendered this year.
It’s hilarious how we’re back to everyone who disagrees with KD17 is an influencer.
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LOL! It’s always the same. After some of their gibberish is shot down, they turn to even more gibberish.
Joe – First of all, again it was $3M salary …. $3.045M to be exact, both Actual salary and CBT salary.
Secondly, that $3M could have been used to acquire a fairly decent pitcher.
I guess one question is do you believe Bloom was suddenly shut off from spending during the 2023 season by Henry? Or do you not?
I can never tell where you stand because you’ve flip-flopped so much. You were one of Bloom’s biggest irrational supporters, then after he got canned you became much more rational, and now it seems like you’re back to being irrational.
Maybe share your script with us so we know what to expect?
Every penny spent on reclamation rentals, journeymen depth, career platoon players, and declining aging talent is a dollar you are not spending on an elite player upgrade or spent making long-term solutions to blatant problems either at positions or the staff.
Paxton was effective for 2/3 of a season of a 2-year contract. He earned $14+ million. The “GAMBLE” paid off for a short while and he contributed 7 wins in 2 years for the two last place Red Sox teams at a 4.50 ERA. I wish him all the success in the world as he pitchers for someone else after completing his rehab with us. Excuse me if I would rather have that $14 million diverted to solving issues long term.
The team might be but the ownership isn’t.
Mondesi for Taylor was a wash for both teams
Fever Pitch Guy
Maybe share your script with us so we know what to expect?
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I explain these things in detail, but the people that only think in B&W don’t understand things that are grey.
So I will give it to you again.
1-2025 should be better than 2024, and maybe that is what they are headed for.
2-But we are probably looking at 80 wins in 2024, so there is no reason not to make a modest attempt at improving.
3-While I approve of most of the moves, they aren’t adding to the 2024 ledger.
4-The one move I do not understand is Giolito (yet). If we aren’t going to compete in 2024, then Gio seems like an overpriced gamble. In order for Gio to make sense, then we need at least one more SP.
5-While I think our position players are well-positioned thru the end of the decade, we obviously lack pitching prospects. I see no way that Monty could be considered redundant.
6-Maybe the FO sees it different, but if we made the move for Grissom, which I approve, then I am not sure what Yorke is still doing here. That looks like a real redundancy.
Questions?
Trollfree
I only pointed out ONE person and it was obvious.
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The idea that the RS have paid anyone in to be an influencer is pretty far afield. I would guess that some writers provide more favorable coverage because they get favorable insight/first calls, etc. But that’s about as far as that goes.
Is it Bloom or John Henry? I think you got your guys mixes up. Bloom wasn’t the x factor here.
Cry me a river. Look what Cleveland or the Rockies have been through. Honestly, we were spoiled for so long.
I like Jim Bowden…
I actually believe the Mondesi trade was a good gamble. It didn’t work out but we didn’t give up much. Not every trade will work out but we didn’t lose much
Chaim Breslow’s Purse
I actually believe the Mondesi trade was a good gamble.
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In our situation, it was a no-brainer. If teams never gamble on health, they will be a very expensive team.
It’s cute that there are still people who think players sign for a reason other than money.
Yes, it is very often that players sign with teams just because of the money, even if the team isn’t that good, but that only happens sometimes, because sometimes the highest bidder will actually be a good team.
I thought players sign with Boston to have their baseball card made in those ugly yellow shirts…
I really those yellow shirts
JuBi – I really think there’s missing in that sentence.
I’m a Red Sox fan I hate them to the core. The only people that like them are the ones who actually live in Boston
Guess again Batman….
OMG End the bumblebee BS please! Good record or not…you win the thread and the internet today for this comment
Dewey – The CORA shirts. Ugly, not fitting for Boston and probably stolen!!!
TF – I told you Cora wants to be the highest paid manager in baseball, right? Hopefully that will finally persuade John Henry the cheapskate to let Cora walk. Have Tek or Ross replace him, former catchers are the best at managing!
Definitely had a stroke while typing that out
K
Cute
Also true
Money is not the only factor players consider
For the most part. I know some players that have signed very team friendly contracts for their kids staying with their friends and school, or their wife. It happens. If you are a younger player with few attachments facing the reality of possible injuries or loss of your job, you grab as much as you can before the dream may possibly flame out.
Money is not the only factor players consider
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I’d bet the majority do the same us commoners, and consider all the angles. I had a nice job that relocated to Chicago. I knew I’d take a pay cut, but there was no chance I was moving.
I’d bet most players would easily take 5% less to stay where they are, or play for a contender, or something as simple as preferring the SD weather to the Detroit weather.
JB
That sure sounds reasonable
Opportunity.
Boston has a rotation in shambles more or less, it needs TWO quality SP options still, so, he’s guaranteed a spot near thr top of the rotation as opposed to battling for a spot in some other places.
“he’s guaranteed a spot near thr top of the rotation”
Uh, you do understand that Hendriks hasn’t started a game since 2019, right?
Gomez – And he’s never in his career pitched more than 85 innings.
I honestly think GASox got him mixed up with Kyle, easy enough to do.
Or he was trollong.
And giolito hasn’t been good in just about that long, what’s your point? Haha
dewey – No GASox doesn’t troll, he’s cool.
Sorry to be that guy Fever but he never pitched… he played outfield for the Cardinals in 80’s…..
You got it fever, was a rough morning.
Olm – Okay you got me …. what? LOL!
I just looked through every possible Hendricks that’s ever played MLB, none were an outfielder for the Cardinals! Maybe you’re thinking of Jimi?
GASox – Sorry to hear, hope your afternoon has been better.
He’s not a starting pitcher. He’s a reliever, and typically a closer
Hendricks isn’t a starter.
Liam Hendriks.
That’s what I said… George Hendriks!!!
olm – Ughh …. how did his name not come up in my search? And I remember him!!
LOL!!!
Ah the good old days of strato matic baseball!!! Whatever happened to Jackie Gutierrez???
Olm – I saw Jackie with Eddie Jurak a few years ago in Dinky Donuts … and guess what? Jackie is a dunker!
Yep, that’s right …. he dunks his donuts in his coffee. Never woulda thunk it.
oimtiant – Which one? hahahaha
george was 20 years ahead of his time when he ditched the stirrup socks and wore his pants down to his cleats
Gasox..Hes a career relief pitcher? Are you sure you are talking about the right guy..this is Liam Hendricks..former white sox closer
Liam Hendriks.
It’s a good deal to get ahead of next year. Closer settled for 2025 for them. There’s nothing wrong with that. They can keep Kenley till the deadline and deal then. I know fans would rather trade now, but he’s a tad banged up and that’ll cause red flags.
Dude he’s not a starting pitcher.
GA, even if you did confuse the two, you were trolling …
Yes to the confused, no to the troll. I should know better than to read and post while doing morning medications – chemo dose + pain meds + antibiotics + cold meds due to this damn bug my immune system hasn’t been bale to kick for 2+ weeks now… man, I’d swear I’m more out of it than a 60’s hippie.
Do you or do you not think the sox need SP though?
It’s not trolling to point out the need the sox have.
So how are you doing?
Relate to the pain meds RSN Card restored GA yes they need 2 Aces a number 2 etc…Henry to stop auditions for Scrooge the reunion
GASox – I’m glad you don’t troll, because it gets annoying when others do it …. I don’t like having to assume if someone is being serious or trolling.
As for SP, I’m still giving Breslow another month to acquire a real SP.
Hanging on Joe, thanks for asking.
Really wish I could get out to some milb games this year, or, meet up with some board members at some road games.
Tossed a lock on the shop, cars, and parts though, and, definitely no gardens this year. Had to slow down a ton, which, is frustrating.
What cars did you have going?
77 short bed gmc, 51 3/4 ton chevy, 78 trans am, 68 fastback mustang.
Did get the 496 ci into our road trip 4×4 though, it’s what we use to drive from GA to worcester for oncology this winter.
GASox – Why didn’t you go a year earlier with the Trans Am?
Hey Bandit! Look out, smokey is chasin’ ya!!!!
Fever – little known piece of trivia:
According to anecdotes, the cars used in the first Bandit movie weren’t even 1977 models – they were 1976 models gm specially modified to LOOK like the upcoming 1977 units.
Pontiac was approached in 1976 about obtaining cars for the upcoming movie, and, filming began before the production models were ready and out for sale.
So why look like 77s? Reynolds saw an advanced picture showing what the upcoming models would look like (photo car was itself a 455 4spd 1976 LE former press car gm slapped the 77 update appearance parts on since they didn’t have one to photograph as well) and wanted the updated appearance car.
So, it’s what they made up for filming. Or so the story goes.
Now, why did I do a 78? Well, I bought out a rack of vintage carburetors at an estate auction. To this day I kill myself I didn’t buy more engines and machinery, BUT, advertisements said cash only, and, it wasn’t until the end when I paid that I learned they expanded to accept debit cards. Anyways, I wound up with a date code correct W72 800cfm carb for a 78 trans am 4spd. Under 1300 such cars were made. So, it’s cheaper to buy a car with incorrect pieces that are date code or vin stamped. Of these, only 3 are specific to the bandit trans am either by type or vin – carb, engine block/heads, and transmission. Distributor or starter can be sourced from a lesser model to get the date code or part number back.
So, bought a cheap(er) car that had the original motor and transmission, but, like many got headers, aftermarket carb and ignition, traction bars, the full treatment in the 80s when they weren’t worth much.
And I’ve put together a car around it. (Mostly) once painted and the interior odds and ends are finished it’ll be worth about 6x what I put into it.
68 fastback mustang.
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The Bullit car? LMK when you’re finished. I might have a couple of quid sitting around doing nothing.
I love those stories. I know nothing about the working side of cars, but some of the old cars are works of art. I’ve had two Camaros, but always liked the Chevelles better, but those prices have gotten out of hand. I’d like to get myself a nicely restored AMC Javelin. I don’t think they are popular enough to be expensive.
GASox – Very cool story, thanks! Love that kind of background stuff.
Joe, you can buy a NICE presentable Malibu for less than a ‘Chevelle’ – I’m talking the $20s as opposed to tens of thousands more, usually only with a 307 v8 but still. Much less than camaro prices these days.
Why? Most general folks look for the chevelle name not realizing that a Malibu was the same car with more expensive trim…. kind of like the Caprice vs Impala of the 70s/80s.
In fact, the 69-71ish chevelle SS started life as a Malibu coupe that was upgraded on the assembly line. (Much the same as in the 1980s, Oldsmobile built 1984-1985 cutlass salons they added the 442 options to, and in 1986-87 they switched to using cutlass supremes.)
So, no shame in swapping the later 2 headlight Malibu to the earlier style 4 headlight either. Can be done in a driveway in an afternoon with a set of craftsman hand tools. That’s how I learned, back in the days I couldn’t afford to pay for repairs, I bought a second car of the same make/model for $100 to use for parts. If it was already broken, you couldn’t make it worse right? Then another $5 bought the dealership repair manuals from GM. And, you learn as you go.
As for the 68 fastback, it isn’t headed to Bullitt clone, for three reasons. 1) it’s a numbers matching automatic; 2) it’s not a 390; 3) it was a factory red GT. So, a car like that makes more sense to keep what it was, with the crazy places prices have gone.
As for the javelin, prices are up on those too, you can get a similar malibu for roughly the same money.
Redsox Nation Card revoked 24 hours GASoxFan…do better!
Boston remains to be a preferred destination for many players, despite going through a roster rebuild. Ever been to Fenway? Place is straight magic. And Boston fans are some of the most passionate in all of sports. Those things still matter to some players.
Boston also was a highly sought after place players wanted to play because until recently, they paid well.
It’s not the same. I think Fever mentioned it a couple of weeks back. The place was Dodgers town when LA was in. Very sad.
dewey – I think with every MLB team visiting Fenway at least once every two years, we will be seeing a lot more games where the visiting team’s fans overrun Fenway.
I guess we are getting a taste of what it’s been like for O’s and Rays fans when the Sox came to their stadium years ago.
Boston has the highest per capita of Outbacks than any other US city. He’s giving them a hometown discount.
Rundmc there was a bloomin onion in the deal if he stays for 2026. Henry approved the onion amazingly no batter for it though for the frying
Maybe because THEY chose him? Nice investment by BOS.
Full thr….. ah, nevermind.
So immat ….. ah nevermind.
I really can’t figure out what the Red Sox are doing anymore. For the entire offseason, it seemed like their goal was to prepare for the next wave of Red Sox stars to come up and build out the roster around them in 2025-2026. In the meantime, sign some 1-2 year deals this offseason that could be flipped at the 2024 deadline should they be out of the race come July.
They’ve also publicly spoken about trading Jansen this year. Now they go out and sign ‘Australian Jansen’ for 2025? If 2025 is the beginning of their contention years, then why didn’t they go after Woodruff instead? He’s exactly what they’ll need next year if they want to make a run at things, not a 37 year old closer coming off TJS! I’m at a complete loss as to what they are trying to do with this team.
It’s why Redsox Nation is BOYCOTTING EVERYTHING REDSOX in 2024 It’s time for tough love for John Henry. Zero spend Zero time…check the box scores for free…no Games, no merchandise, no Boston Globe or Fenway South, No MLB Streaming or NESN…ZIPPO John Henry until WE who built the Redsox (124 years and many generations of families) Redsox Nation Southie Style until WE see 2 Aces signed minimum
perhaps it’d be more productive for you to actually boycott the red sox instead of commenting on this page and also not speaking for everyone in red sox nation would help too
@bbguru
Keep holding your breath, that’ll certainly do the trick. I held my breathe for my Orioles for 14 losing seasons. It literally took tragic dementia for a hopeful end to the Angelos reign of sadness (esp the worst part, Johnny Boy’s control).
was to prepare for the next wave of Red Sox stars to come up and build out the roster around them in 2025-2026.
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Hendricks still fits that script. Even better than most, at least for 2025. Signing him to a 2-year contract means that we absorb 50% of his cost this year.
Dorothy – Great points except I think finding a bridge at Closer that allows Jansen to go at the trade deadline and costs $5MM per year for 2 years is an incredible steal. Before his injury he was one of the best in baseball. His entire career has been battling back from adversity so I think he’ll do well in 2025 and maybe even in 2024 if there are no set backs.
Woodruff should have been acquired in addition to Hendriks since he too could have been had at a discounted price. The minute they wasted $17MM of Sales salary to get Grissom they declared they are not competing in 2024 so Woodruff was perfect. A missed opportunity to improve in the future.
I hope Hendricks got like $15M or $40M or whatever- I just hope he got as much money as he could squeeze out of them.
I’ll guess 2/10 with incentives. Probably about 8 million of it is next year. Incentives may push it to 12-15. I’m probably way off though.
Oh in today’s day and age, even this late into the off season/this far into spring training?
Going by that now standard 2 year deal of rehab followed by hopefully a bounce back year I think it’s more like 2 years/$17.5M, $2.5M followed by $15M or $3.5M followed by $14M, etc.
Trill – As a point of reference, Paxton’s contract was $14M/2 years.
I was right. 2 and 10
Paxton got 2/10, not 2/14.
You were kind of low on the incentives, though.
True, but rarely will they double the contract with incentives (from 10 to 20 mil)
The contract was actually a three year, but no one talks about it because the reality was that it was 2 for 10 guaranteed with the third year being a non-guaranteed option of 4 million which the team exercised. He would technically still be a Red Sox player and would negotiate the value of his third year, but it never happened because the 4 million was exercised.
10 + 4= 14
Left-hander James Paxton and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a one-year, $10 million contract with a two-year club option, sources familiar with the deal told ESPN’s Jeff Passan on Tuesday.
That was the original public disclosure by the Red Sox of the contract. That did not change and was not corrected later on, so I assume what was meant by that language was that the third option year (this year) would either be negotiated or most likely have been 10 million for this year if the team didn’t exercise the buyout at 4 million. I have no access to the real terms of his third year exactly. Just the 10 + 4.
Pretty good guess, dude.
Liam Hendriks.
I just hope he got as much money as he could squeeze out of them.
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Why?
They had to move Moneybags Schreiber to afford… Liam Hendriks. I’m whelmed by this move.
Maybe Martin Jensen t9..
Jansen is a free agent after this year so assuming it’s a 2 year deal where the first year is more of a rehab year, it’s probably backloaded the second year.
Sacramento: I think they should hold on to Jansen for at least one more year. They won’t have a closer without him until Hendriks is ready.
It’s ok because they won’t be closing many wins this season anyways
These moves very likely had nothing to do with one another, although I could see the Schreiber one having been finalized with more urgency because that allows the Sox to stash Hendriks on the 60-day IL without DFAing anyone.
Is he better than Schreiber at this point in his career? They can’t be talking more than $2 M after a 5 ERA + last season…
mad – They will probably give him a contract similar to Paxton’s.
After all, Liam was “Comeback Player of the Year” …. just ignore the 5 IP.
Definitely rushed him back for no reason last year. Between the cancer treatment and the elbow, he probably shouldn’t have come back until like, July if not later.
Thanks for the armchair diagnosis, Dr. Sac.
Sacramento: You’re probably right. I understand him wanting to come back after his cancer went into remission, but he overdid it and injured his UCL. In hindsight he probably shouldn’t have come back, but look at Edwin Diaz. He was going to come back at the end of the season but it really wasn’t worth it since the Mets were out of contention.
lol starts cancer treatments and is on an MLB mound like 5 months later. You don’t think that’s quick?
A 5 ERA in 5 innings pitched hardly matters due to small sample size and was also likely impacted by the elbow problems.
The bigger question is how he comes back from the TJ at his age.
Canuckleball: He’ll probably come back well rested, if there’s anything good to come of this. But at his age he’ll probably need to come in from the bullpen on a golf cart, then take a walker onto the mound.
avenger65 – Hendriks style would be more of coming in on a surf board not a golf cart. The guy will help the clubhouse in a very rough 2024 season.
@mad
He barely pitched lol, it wasn’t enough time to really judge his performance. That being said there is definitely some risk here but when he is on he is a top 3 reliever in baseball.
Red Sox love these types of signings. “Hey we’ll pay you to not pitch at all this season in hopes that you can next year”.
Erik – Exactly! And it’s not just pitchers they take these gambles with …. Mondesi immediately comes to mind.
It’s looking more and more like Bloom wasn’t the only problem ….
Fever – except with mondesi they didn’t even get the option on the second year.
GASox – Good point! Bloom shoulda put some clause in that gave the Sox a really cheap option year if Mondesi did play X number of games last year.
Crazy how Bloom just ASSumed Mondesi would be healthy for most of last season …. same way Bloom ASSumed Story’s injured arm would heal on it’s own.
Because Mondesi was traded for bloom should’ve made the trade contingent on mondesi signing an extension.
And if no agreement was reached, gaining an additional ptbnl.
Exactly. Spread out the AAV over multiple years, get them stable and familiar with the organization, work with them with the team’s excellent medical staff, and likely get a discount on him for the trouble. It’s a good concept.
Age 34 is a little late, but most pitchers recover fully from TJ, and Hendriks was an elite closer when last healthy. If he recovers fully, having him for $5 million AAV for 2025 (+ incentives) would be a steal. Even if he hits all incentives, which would be good for Boston, he would have a lower tax hit than Jansen this year.
not – hahahaha You just declared the Red Sox medical staff as excellent!!! See, you really don’t understand how to be an anonymous influencer.
Please stamp at the bottom of your comments……
This positive comment is paid for by the Boston Red Sox!!! hahaha
Now they can trade Jansen to be able to afford Montgomery.
Could be. Or maybe they will eat a lot of Jansen’s salary to get a good prospect in return.
Hendricks won’t be available until the trade deadline (or later). My guess is they’ll hold on to Jansen until the trade deadline when a contending team is desperate for a closer and then have Hendricks take over. By then the season is likely to be largely over anyway so Jansen might have more value in July.
Erik – Where did you hear he could be back by this year’s trade deadline? Typically TJS takes about 15 months before they can even get into a MLB game again.
I believe power reliever types can often make it back in 12 months, compared to starters who require more like the 15 months you mentioned. Relievers don’t have to be built up as much, and they’re less reliant on command, which is often the last skill to return. He can just sit it out.
That said, they’ll probably still restrict him after he returns. This is more a 2025 signing. If he looks good, he replaces Jensen, who seems likely to be moved by the July trade deadline.
He can just *air* it out.
Lord – Thanks, I didn’t realize that about relievers.
I’d say there’s an excellent chance Jansen gets moved if he’s healthy and the Sox aren’t truly in the playoff chase.
Fever – ROTOWIRE has his return date as 8/1/2024
TF – Thanks! I’m usually skeptical about projected return dates, as they almost always take longer to return, but hopefully Liam can beat the odds while not being rushed.
Why would 3 months of Jansen be more valuable than six? Especially considering how much he makes, a qualifying offer is not out of the question
The market for his services will narrow in three months, which is a negative, but the need for his services may increase by teams in contention, which is a positive. Think of Chapman to the Cubs at the 2016 trade deadline, which netted the Yankees Gleyber Torres. I wouldn’t count on that type of return, but it’s possible. His value may not decrease three months into the season, and it could even increase.
Because 6 divided by 3 is 2 which means he’ll be twice as valuable.
He can’t be offered a QO again. Dodgers already did years ago.
Why would 3 months of Jansen be more valuable than six?
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Because,
1-Right now, everyone thinks they have a closer.
2-While some teams will drop out, some teams will double their efforts to make the playoffs.
3-In three months, his salary will be half of what it is now. At the trade deadline, his cost will only be $5.3M.
Offsetting that are the injury and performance risks.
Lord – I agree with what you’re saying, but Martin was so darn good last year that it’s hard to picture his numbers not getting worse this year.
Joe – If you want to play that game, right now a bunch of teams think they’ll need a good closer because they think they’ll be in the postseason.
At the trade deadline, several of those same teams could be realistically out of the race already. If you can remember last year, the Padres & Mets & Yankees & Red Sox all thought they needed a good closer for August and beyond …. turns out they were all wrong.
right now a bunch of teams think they’ll need a good closer because they think they’ll be in the postseason.
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Right now, everyone thinks they have a closer. They won’t be trading for a 2nd closer.
Joe – I guess that depends on what you consider to be a legit closer, or just a reliever filling a role.
For instance you really think the Rangers are secure with either Robertson or Leclerc as their closer?
It’s the full gamut from ace closers to fill-ins. But in the case of Robertson, I doubt the Rangers will pay today to have a guy they might need in September.
In certain circumstances, I could see them trading for Martin. Martin has been great in the setup role, so he is attractive no matter what, whether it is win today or win in October. But for the most part, I doubt we’ll see anyone making a move for a closer at this point.
Joe – It’s very common for injuries to crop up in ST, never say never.
I’m just explaining why 3 months of someone like Jansen is about as valuable as 6 months.
Liam Hendriks.
Stevie: Didn’t it used to be that lefties can’t pitch in Fenway? I think Montgomery and Snell can pitch anywhere.
People need to get Montgomery out of their heads… it’s not happening. This deal should show you that and the fact that Boras is his agent
They should have signed Woodruff instead. Big mistake. Hendriks should be fine in 2025, but this team needs starting pitching in a big way and Woodruff in 2025 would have been a boon for this team and a much better choice than a 36-37 year old closer.
Woodruff has a serious shoulder injury..there is a reason the brewers resigned him..they know him best ..too much risk for most teams since there is a chance hes nothing like the pitcher he was pre injury hendricks with whats become more or less a routine tj is alot less risk
Hendriks is going to be out for most of the year due to Tommy John. This might help them move Jansen at the deadline if Hendriks recovers quickly, but not before.
He likes sox
Jansen gets traded then
The fact he’s signed here for 2/10 makes it absolutely bonkers the white sox did not try and restructure the buyout they had to pay. Everyone would have come out ahead. In that context it’s a great deal for Boston
jaklf : A sad fact of Sox baseball life: If you make more than $5m a year, you’re gone. No way we’re the Sox going to pay Hendriks $15m all at once. $1m a year is much more their speed. There is no other reason for them to get rid of Cease other than he deserves to get paid more than their pathetic ceiling. And don’t look for Robert to be with them for the entirety of his contract. With the “lousy” year he had last season, why hold on to such a bum? We’re going to have to put up with this AAA team until the angels (not the ones in LA) come for jr.
Credit to Liam for working another option or decent buyout into his new deal, he’s invested for the future here. But looking at the fact the White Sox are in for $15m no matter what, it’s crazy to think they couldn’t have had the creativity that Boston has had here and put another deal on the table for the 2024 rehab year + 2025 + 2026 team option at a rate that gets him back in pinstripes. The player’s been able to do very well here but that’s such a miscue by Getz and co not to restructure the buyout, although maybe they tried and Hendriks didn’t want to come back and play for a 100 loss team. The $15m to go away is still $15m even if it stings less. Man!
Sox don’t keep talent and Jerry is cheap, so if you get too good, they would rather start yet ANOTHER rebuild. That’s what they do. We have been rebuilding since 2005. LOL. That said, Liam is getting paid $1 million a year for the next 15 years. LOL. SMH
I’m done with the White Sux. I hope he moves his team to Nashville. Let them pay for a new ballpark. Chicagoans are still paying for the ballpark they currently call home. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Ob yes. But I’d rather seen them spend money on a starter
The writer of this article spelled Olney wrong
And you want me to pay for this site yet you can’t even spell the reporter’s name right?
Lmfao get out of here
Cute Pomeranian with the Rottweiler bite!
SIGN SNELL !!!
Good luck Liam!! Glad to have you.. we’ll put some chowder on the barbie for ya!!
His career vs the Yankees:
4-4 with an ERA of 7.88, 31 strikeouts and 3 saves in 18 appearances
Craven, those numbers don’t lie. The Yankees absolutely did crush him, even at his peak.
I admire Liam’s toughness and his fight against cancer. You have to tip your cap to the guy. He’d had some success in the AL East during his stint with Toronto, but he’s not the guy Sox fans want on the mound in late innings if they’re playing their most hated rival.
Damn straight Crave!!! That guy is now with the Dodgers!!!! Oh well
Olm – How would you react if my man Brais strikes out Soto to end the 2024 World Series?
Fever.. oh man a serious question from one of the Nations elites!! Thanks… I can do this… serious answer just once… pressure mounting… channel my inner Brais…. Okay here goes…. Like a warden at a woman’s prison with a fist full of pardons…. Dohp!!!!
Good low gamble here. Love his story too. How can you not like him
I guess the next question is … is Jensen gone?
This deal won’t impact Jansen being traded. Hendriks likely won’t pitch this year – this deal is about trying to get him at a huge discount for 2025
This seems more of a 2025 signing. He had TJS in August. Maybe he gets some innings in on the MLB level later this year, preparing to close in 2025.
Breslow should be fired. 10m to a TJ RP. Makes no sense
2 year deal, this seems more than reasonable. Even if he barely pitches this year.
Daro..did you miss the 2 year part? This is a very good deal for boston
It is rolling the dice that he will come back strong. Considering how he beat cancer and came back from that, it’s a good bet.
Reds – It’s not a good bet for a penny pinching franchise that refuses to spend on proven, quality players. The pre-Bloom Red Sox? Yes, absolutely.
Durability should be the #1 priority right now when the Red Sox consider acquiring players. Especially pitchers, as we all know their pitching depth is crap.
We are pre-paying for 2025. If we were looking for an SP for 2024, one of the first criteria I would look for is 160 IPs. Since we do not currently need a closer, his current health is not a concern.
Joe – If the Red Sox were looking for a SP for 2024?
Are you actually denying the necessity? If you are, you’d be basically the only person on the planet doing so.
Bottom line, that’s $10M less the Sox could spend on a Montgomery or Snell. You really think it would be okay to lose out on either of those two because of the chance Liam could return to pre-cancer form next year?
Fever Pitch Guy2 hours ago
Joe – If the Red Sox were looking for a SP for 2024?
Are you actually denying the necessity?
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LOL! I mention the need for an SP every thread, usually multiple times. How is it possible that you are not aware of that?
Forward thinking is not your strong suit I see….. just to explain this for you…. they get a closer next year for 5 Mill….. and possibly he is able to be back after the all star break this year, if so they can trade Kenley and get some more assets.
Coop – I would add one word to what you wrote ….. “they hopefully get a closer next year” …… there is certainly no guarantee he will be fully healthy and back to his pre-cancer level of performance.
Also most people look at the contract in it’s entirety, the Sox are spending $10M for hopefully at least a year of his pitching. Nobody said the Sox got 96 ininings of Paxton last year for just $4M.
I would much rather they had extended Chris Martin for a year or two. This is a dumb signing. The best they can hope for is Hendriks returns next year as a light-out closer and they trade him at the deadline, so they’d be buying someone’s prospect (on the order of David Sandlin and Richard Fitts) for $10MM. It still doesn’t sing.
Horace: They can still extend Martin if they want to. They paid $17M for Grissom.
Grissom is just 22 this January so they paid 17mill to save 10 and gain a stud for 6 controllable years…a fabulous deal
guru – With all due respect, there’s no $10M savings when you replace Sale by giving $38.5M guaranteed to his replacement.
They are in essence paying $55.5M for the privilege of replacing Sale with a guy who has had a 5 ERA the past two years.
And even in the chance Gio pitches well this year and then bails, it’s still more than $36M for one year of Gio.
Moneywise it’s an all-around horrible deal.
Player-wise, time will tell if Grissom turns out to be the “stud” you assume he will be.
You’re trying too hard to conflate different transactions. I like Sale a lot for Atlanta, but I’m betting on 120 IPs of good, but not great pitching.
View this from a different lens. If Sale were a FA, how much would you pay for one year? The RS are picking up $17M of his $27.5 liability, meaning that Atlanta was picking up $10.5M.
The difference between what you think Sale is worth on a one-year contract, and the $10.5M that Atlanta is picking up, is the cost we paid for acquiring Grissom.
Joe – The two transactions are intertwined, denying would be foolish. As of right now Gio replaced Sale.
I do agree with you that 120-150 IP of sub-4 ERA is reasonable for Sale. The Braves have a better conditioning program, better medical staff, and better pitching coaches than what the Sox had last year.
I don’t get your FA scenario. Production-wise, the Sox traded a healthy and potentially dominant Sale for a young cost controlled infielder with potential. That part I’m cool with.
The part I’m not cool with, the fact the Sox are actually paying $17M for Sale to pitch for some other team and therefore having to hand out $38.5M to a Sale replacement who absolutely sucked the past two years.
Again, if it was pre-Bloom then I’d be fine with it. But with the current budgetary constraints, dishing out $55.5M for Sale’s sucky replacement is an extremely foolish way to spend limited funds.
$8 million deferred through 2043 /j
How is there no team willing to sign Trevor Bauer? Wasn’t he wrongly accused? I know there was no trial, no settlement, and no reason for him to be out of baseball
If you don’t get it by now, you never will.
Blackballed…. coming from Rob “Manfred Man”…. who is blinded by the light and the facts.
I Love Hendrix, but why would a team pay him all that money to rehab, or am I missing something? He is also 35, and who knows how his body will actually perform a year from now. Can someone explain this to me, please. You would think that he would have to fully recover first and prove that he can still pitch. Very confusing. LOL. Either way, I wish him and Boston the best.
Liam Hendriks.
If he turns into a good 7th or 8th inning guy next year, it will have been a passable signing. Most everthing they do seems geared for next season.
If healthy he’s the closer no question if he was this year Jansen would be 8th inning maybe 7th if Martin keeps going but don’t expect a 1.06 era from a 37 yr old or any RP lol
@guru… health will decide everything.
Boston: We need to subtract money in order to sign guys.
Boston: Let’s sign a guy that won’t pitch this year.
DNice – Your post deserves a lot more upvotes, well done.
It’s kinda like a father telling his children they can’t buy food until they save up more money, and then the father buys a $50 scratch ticket.
Only difference is the father will know right away if the lottery ticket is a winner.
More like not buying the kids a Porsche, and using the money as a down payment for new windows next year.
Joe – You didn’t think before writing that one, did you.
Getting a much-needed starting pitcher is not a luxury, it’s a necessity …. assuming the Sox want to try and stay out of the cellar.
And at least with the windows, you know they will be there next year. None of us has a clue how or if Liam will pitch next season … just like Mondesi.
Personally, I really like Liam Hendriks and I think this is a great move for the Red Sox
They very likley have insurance on this contract so.once they move him to the 60 day it will not go against the “real” books this year..fully realize he counts toward tax..but they arent near the first rung of that..so this signing wont impact not being able to spend on bigger fa’s imo
Ok this got you a reduction in the 48 hr RSN Card suspension back…
Insurance doesn’t work that way. You can’t buy a policy on a hurt player and apply the policy against the injury he already has.
As you mentioned, if he were eligible for insurance then this would have no affect on CBT amounts; it just helps offset cash payments, but that is a moot point since he is not getting insured for year 1. The Sox will structure this deal as a 2/$10M deal ($5M CBT hit each season) but they’ll only pay him $2M in 2024 and then $8M in 2025. Unless he comes back early (2024), any incentives he earns will most likely be paid out in 2025 as well so the Sox end up paying him ~$2M to sit out 2024 and then $8M + incentives in 2025.
Dotty – Blame Albert Belle.
Just keep Schreiber at that point, he’s cheaper and better, and will actually pitch
They sold high on him…he hasnt “pitched” well since 2022..in 2023 he was injured or ineffective most of the time..his clock was ticking at age 30, you usually cant trade a 30+ rp with iffy/limited track record for a legit prospect..lets not forget the sox claimed him off waivers.
Again wrong revoked RSN Card revoked 48hrs
J. Schreiber ERA 2021 3.00, 2022 2.22, 2023 3.86
Shhh
But yes a fleecing of KC for a young controllable SP with K stuff at his lower level and a full 6 years of control
2021 was only 3 innings.
2023 was 3.86 but with a 4.8 BB9. He has to improve that a lot. And he can’t face lefties.
Joe – I know you don’t actually watch or listen to the games, but come on …. he said “hasn’t pitched well since 2022” …. a blatantly false statement, as Schreiber had a 2.12 ERA and 11.1 K/9 rate in the first half of 2023.
It was even pointed out in the Schreiber article that he pitched great in the first half of last year, prior to the injury.
Sheesh ….
he said “hasn’t pitched well since 2022” …
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Actually, what he wrote was:
“J. Schreiber ERA 2021 3.00, 2022 2.22, 2023 3.86”
I responded by saying the 2021 stats he sited were only for three innings. To steal the local library saying “Reading is fundamental”.
IRT 2023, I never commented on his splits. I am well aware that he pitched well early, and then got absolutely shelled.
But I will give you the same offer as I offered someone else. I am willing to wager that Sandlin has a higher WAR over his years of control than Schreiber will have over his remaining 3 years of control.
Joe – You expect me to make a bet that may not be decided until after the 2029 season?
To reiterate, I never said it was a bad trade for the Sox. I said it could turn into one.
I was just surprised, and disappointed, that when somebody said Schreiber hasn’t been good since 2022 nobody corrected him.
If you want to choose ERA over FIP, feel free to do so. But Schreiber had some weak numbers last year.
If we’re doing this, just go sign woodruff too. Maybe we’ll be relevant next season
Woodruff is shoulder injury, not Tommy John surgery. Much bigger gamble.
This guys kind of overrated he’s had 3.5 good seasons and people talk about him like he’s the next Mo or something
Nobody is comparing him to rivera
Come on..
Or Braiser for that matter!! Like BRAIS he’s also a good man!!
people talk about him like he’s the next Mo or something
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8B people in this world, and not a single person has ever compared him to Mo,
Hey Mo the Blow,
Thanks for 2004 man.
Red Sox
Hey Mo the Blow,
Thanks for 2001 bro,
Diamondbacks
whyhayzee – Has there ever been two more over rated players on one team than MO and Jeter? Two guys who shouldn’t have been first year HOFers but being Yankees makes all the difference in the world. MO couldn’t hold a candle to Hoffman. Put MO on KC and he’s not as good as Quisenberry. Put Jeter on KC and he plays behind Bobby Witt Jr. his whole career!!!
My point being Ken Giles had one bad injury plagued year at a younger age and can barely get back into the majors
We trade an injury ridden Sale only to replace him with an injury ridden free agent. I’m clear it’s for much less money but still… lots of ifs this year when we had the injury bug last year. Worth a shot I suppose, though I’m not sure what they are expecting
My bad, I realized this was a bullpen piece, not a starter. Stull, we traded one decent guy (Schreiber) and replace him with Hendriks who may not even pitch this year?
Schreiber had 1 good season 2 years ago..and has been injured or ineffective since..the sox claimed him off waivers..what is the big attachment to him?..we sold really high..if he started off slow he was a dfa candidate
Ok your Redsox Nation Card is suspended 24 hours per infraction that’s 2 days for 2022 and 2023
Schreiber 2021 3.00ERA, 2022 2.22ERA, 2023 3.86ERA
It was a Redsox Win trade for sure but don’t trash John on the way out with ignorance lol
First of all he pitched 3 innings in 2021..second nobody said he wasnt good in 2022..third he was NOT good at all in 2023 when he wasnt injured..look at the walks..lol.and the sox did claim him off waivers..your troll pass is revoked ..do better..and i like him but think they made a nice move selling high..hope he does well in KC
Wait, do have both troll passes and RSN passes?
Troll pass… like an ez pass for message boards? 😉
Ugh. Red Sox.
Bring back Bloom.
I’d rather have prime Albert Pujols.
wonder when they bring back the Panda
He’s in SF on a minor league deal ST invite
Because Career ERA is the one stat everyone looks at for relief pitchers. Its the TELL-ALL Stat. No need to look at any other numbers. ERA is the barometer that exactly predicts every pitchers value now and in the future.
DeGrom has to be trolling. Hendricks BP ERA is 3.06, not 3.82.
I had no idea that he was as dominant as he was. From 2019-2022, FG has him as #1 in WAR, #3 in saves, #4 in ERA, and #1 in FIP.
He was the best closer in baseball for the 4 years prior to his injury. He’s older and injured, no doubt.
But for those four years, he was better than Hader, and there is no doubt to that either.
At some point, results do matter since they prove you have succeeded before
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And as I have demonstrated, Hendricks had better results. Fangraphs doesn’t put these stats out there because I ask them to.
Who won’t pitch this season.
back on Aug 1
TF – Who are we talking about? These groupings have really made it hard to follow conversations, especially when newer comments are on top of older ones.
All these keyboard gangsters judging an organization that recently won 4 championships. Yea ur the smart ones They have what is called a GAMEPLAN.
Rick – Recently?
You call 20 years ago “recently”?
Can’t wait to see the ’04 reunion this year, all the highly paid superstar players from that championship team looking sadly at what the Red Sox have become after 4 years of neglect.
Have the Red Sox become a multi-million-dollar spending rehabilitation center? We spend millions to nurse damaged players back to health so if they do heal and regain form, they can go sign somewhere else?
JUST DO NOTHING INSTEAD OF THINGS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! YOUR A LAST PLACE TEAM, OWN IT.
What are they doing?
The first idiot that even implies they are spending millions on damaged players instead of diverting those dollars towards good healthy players in the hope they can flip those players for a mid-tier prospect (at best) please just smash whatever devise you are using instead of wasting our time posting insane stupidity.
If you take Giolito salary and add it to Hendrickson we could have Monty or Snell. This would be something to build a staff around instead of these half measured moves! This isn’t team building but half witted people making half witted decisions. It’s time to quit watching!
Thec – Excellent point! Not to mention the $5M “flyer” on O’Neill when they really didn’t even need an OF’er.
Watch them trade Duran for a couple of A-ball “prospects”, that seems to be the trend here.
I actually hate this move. do they move Jansen for a good sp and use Hendriks/martin?? idek “full throttle.. yay”
2025 Jansen, Martin, Pivetta, Oneill, all gone likely Gio too if he does good in 24, if not we have a has been for 18mill for 2025…we get Hendrix and need 3 Aces and 3 back end BP guys…full throttle 2025 lmfao…what are WE DOING!? GOT TOMMY JOHN? SIGN TO REHAB IN BOSTON! Well yes we The Redsox are doing that BUT …
REDSOX NATION IS BOYCOTTING EVERYTHING REDSOX until they sign 2 Aces minimum…0 ZERO spend!
It’s a free Box Score check season SOX FANS it’s time to send John Henry a clear message where his frugality will understand. I am not spending a nickle or a minute on anything Redsox! This post is for OUR NATION
You should take the money you are saving on Red Sox tickets and hire an English grammar tutor.
or take that money buy a sign and stage protest in front of Fenway if it means much to you
As soon as the Sox get an okay for Medicare coverage on a player they are full throttle!
74,224,319 Americans voted for the worst president in US History so I have to go with the idea that lots of Red Sox fans are idiots, too.
Happy Presidents Day.
Hayzee – The ’04 team was self-proclaimed “Idiots” so I’ll take your comment as a compliment!
Hayzee… not one of them but do like Schilling but also Brasier…. And no I’m not a communist… just a Red Sox fan living in Chicago… ( time for medication change)lol
One of my neighbors is from Chicago, in his 80’s. Does he have stories! Like me, a Republican. Was hoping for anyone to step up in 2016, but no one did. So we were stuck with the bum. Being around NYC all my life, I knew exactly what we were getting. Unbelieveable, but understandable, when you look at the stupidity of the other party. If we elect that guy again, I will consider leaving the country. He is most certainly the worst president in history. Both his predecesser and successor are actually quite good at the job in spite of their disapproval and being from the wrong party, in my mind. It’s truly sad that my party has gone down that path. But, I lived through Nixon and still voted for Ford, so my conscience is clear.
But this is what irks me about Red Sox Nation. No sense of history, no perspective, just vitrol for the current regime. Yes, there have been some last place finishes, but they’re not nearly the worst team in the league. I have been through this a bunch of times, it’s only bad when it looks like there’s no hope. That is NOT the case.
Hayzee – I can understand why people like JoeB have flashbacks of what it was like with Frazee as owner, he doesn’t want to live through that again with John Henry but the similarities are definitely there.
Hayzee… Millhouse and Jerry just before my time… First was Ronnie… many people tell me why I shouldn’t like him but my main reason was quite easy.. WE weren’t the same anymore.. not to get into it to much but ……the 80 hockey team beating Soviets was AND still is MY greatest sports moment … from his direction WE were back on top and not the other way around by the time he left… read a great article on Ronnie and Tip… no one would ever mistake either for the others party but they worked together!!! Something that’s not even remotely done now… as for simple things… I wasn’t born in Boston/ only visited but like above no one would ever put me on another team ( minus my early 5-8 years cubs.. bill madlock fan lol)
… read a great article on Ronnie and Tip…
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That was good even thru Clinton. I always thought Clinton’s gift was that he could take Republican ideas and bend them left-ward, but not so much that anyone on either side was overly concerned.
Great family the Hendriks, wish them well. He’s done such great community work in Chicago, social justice causes, pets. Wish I had his agent though, collecting $25 mill and may never pitch!
‘Hey let’s dump Chris Sale who we nurtured back to health for another lefty who needs a year off.’
WTF are they doing?
sacrifice – I’m confused. Hendriks is right handed. He’s a cancer survivor from Austrailia and once he established himself as the primary closer in Oakland in 2019 he made the all-star team 3 of the next four years, he finished in the top 10 Cy Young voting in both 2020 and 2021 and finished 13th in the MVP voting in 2020 as a closer. He recently had TJ surgery and is recovering from it with a due date of 8/1/2024. The team should be far enough out of it at that point that his main benefit will come if Kenley is dealt by then. He gets two months to work back to his 2018 to 2022 form.
The Sale deal was incredibly stupid but this one is outstanding because we got a $17MM closer for $5MM per year for two years.with a chance to extend him at a more fair price after 2025.
The WTF for Sale is warranted but not for Hendriks.
TF – Imagine if Sale wins the Cy and Schreiber wins the Rolaids Reliever of the Year (or whomever the sponsor is now).
And of course Nate having another great year in Texas and Wacha in KC and my man Brais in LA. And oh yeah, Dugie having a career year in the Bronx.
Talk about rubbing salt in the wound!
Fever – Fun to think about but Sale winning the Cy Young is by far the most realistic. Schreiber – No Chance. Nate will have another fine year in Texas because he’s a quality pitcher who should still be in Boston. Wacha has done surprisingly well and should have an excellent year in KC. Brais is Brais. He’ll be great on Monday suck on Tuesday etc etc etc.
Dugie sucks and belongs on the Yankees. He’s the modern day equivalent to Conrad Dobler from the old Miller Lite commercials. An instigator of trouble!! No salt in the wound from Dugie. More likely a key error vs Boston allowing them to win one of their 13 games with NYY.
TF – I totally agree! I know Schreiber is a big question mark because of the injury, as relievers go he could be done just like with the Barnes injury.
I brought up Dugie only because it’s a contract year for him and a new team, so I think he will put in a lot more effort this year. And he hates Cora, which is even more motivation for him to do well against the Sox. I brought him up also to get a reaction from you ;O)
Dumpster – I recommended this move a week ago because Hendriks is an elite closer like Jansen who is EXTREMELY INEXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW.
We are paying $5MM in 2024 and $5MM in 2025 for a guy to be an elite closer in 2025. $10MM for an elite closer is very little. It’s basically half price. The risk is whether his cancer comes back. I think it’s fair to say that EVERYONE hopes that doesn’t happen.
BRESLOW FINALLY SIGNED AN ALL-STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t be more pleased with this signing. This is what I expected from Breslow. Boston can move Kenley whenever he will bring maximum value and not worry about a closer for 2025. This allows Houck to pitch where he is most comfortable and effective as a starter.
Hats off to Breslow on this brilliant move. Please keep the trend going. We still need two all-star SPs and an all-star 3B.
HECK as long as one of my suggestions happened maybe I’ll list a few more things that Breslow can accomplish and turn the team around quickly.
1 – Fire Cora
2 – Move Devers to 3B and trade Yoshida
3 – Sign Snell for $30MM per year for 5 years
4 – Trade for Shane Bieber and extend him at $20MM per year for 3 years
5 – Trade for Cole Ragans who is Pre=Arb 2 in 2024. Swapping a MLB experienced pre-arb 2 for a top 100 prospect makes perfect sense.
6 – Sign Chapman to fix the hole at 3B.
TF – Move Devers to 3B? Do you mean he should play closer to the bag? But wouldn’t that cause even more throwing errors? Granted it would reduce the number of doubles down the line.
Sure I would trade Dalbec for Biebs.
ONE TYPO and wow I get raked over the coals!!!
You know what I meant!!!
You CAN’T make more throwing errors they are maxed out it’s really just a case of which ones are counted by the score keepers. Devers’ agent needs to keep slipping them money.
Mark my words, Bieber is going to have a good year!!! He’s cheap like Hendriks was so take advantage of the cheap cost and reap the big rewards from the savvy actions!!
2/5-The moving parts are a little tough, but I think Turner will be a good signing for someone. He is still a 4 WAR player, and I wouldn’t expect a quick decline, like good for 3-4 years.
3-IRT to Snell, I’d expect a decline sooner rather than later, but even just two years of an elite SP pays down most of his $150M.
4-Bieber is in a straight-down trajectory. Three straight years of decline often points to a undisclosed injuries. But for one year? Depends on price.
5-You’re not getting Ragans under almost any conditions.
Joe – Not sure about the Turner comment. Didn’t track that to anything I said.
Snell is an all-star quality pitcher with ups and downs but the team needs a SP1 NOW. Nothing better available. Not my first choice, Burnes was or Yamamoto. The music is about to stop and we need a chair to sit on!!
Bieber is set for a big bounce back year. The trending you mention is insane because it’s too small a sample.. The man will be 29 years old in 2024 and has had one OFF year which is better than ANY year by a Red Sox pitcher in the recent past.
Living in the metrics world removes you from reality. He has been great his ENTIRE LIFE and last year only got 21 starts and finished with a 3.80 ERA and 1.234 WHIP and that compares poorly to his superb career numbers of 3.27 ERA and 1.118 WHIP for 6 seasons.
Trading highly rated prospects for Ragans makes sense for KC to keep improving going forward. We can toss in Crawford with Mayer and Yorke and they walk away with a haul and we get a young LH SP who could be a SP 1 in a few years. They may not do it but it can’t hurt to ask.
Did you mean Chapman not Turner?
Trollfree
Joe – Not sure about the Turner comment. Didn’t track that to anything I said.
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LOL! I said that to make sure you were paying attention, but yeah, definitely Chapman.
KC put a lot of effort into signing guys this winter. They are not turning back.
Bieber has gone from 14.2 K9, to 12.5 to 8.9 to 7.5. You seldom see that level of decline without an injury.
Or take it from another angle. Look at FG pitchers with 100+ innings, and sort by lowest K/9. There are 46 pitchers who qualify. From just a glance, only four of the 46 had a successful 2023 season.
IRT the FG comment, take the players with the worst K9 IN 2022, and compare them to how they did in 2023. Success was few and far between.
Joe – Who the heck is Turner? The only one I know is Trea and Justin, both already signed.
So KD posted “Did you mean Chapman not Turner?” And I said yes.
And you came in to say the same thing that KD just said? Without attribution?
Joe – I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t read my prior posts on this ….. the comments are all messed up for me, they are often not in the proper order and when I click on the “ungroup” icon it either completely kicks me out of the comments or it scrambles everything. This started about a month ago, perhaps it’s because the desktop version is being sacrificed to accommodate the app.
BTW – If you noticed, TF’s comment didn’t have an upvote until now. That’s because I didn’t see it, and I almost always give him upvotes because his comments are great.
Apartment 3B? For Devers?
whyhayzee – Nice response. Got me thinking. Could we move him into apartment 3B which has no baseball gloves in it forcing him to be a DH?
That would be awesome!!!
Watching MLB channel it was pointed out the Astros are in a bind due to Alvarez, Bregman and Valdez all being due for extensions.
I say offer Houston, Mayer, Rafaela, Yorke and Blaze Jordan for Bregman with an extension being part of the deal. Boston should sign Bregman for 6 years $150MM starting in 2024 to 2029 (his 35 year old season).
That would be far better than signing Chapman offensively. Bregman’s defense would also be a massive upgrade on defense..
That would be Breslow’s SECOND all-star signing!!! And it’s within the payroll parameters. Trading Yoshida would provide some relief financially so get on the horn and offer him to Milwaukee who needs a DH like him and ask for just one prospect – SP Carlos F Rodriguez.
Troll…… I do like your Brewers/ Yoshida suggestion. Yoshida had that Monster game at Milwaukee last year as well… 2 jacks and 7 Ribbies.. maybe they remember it.
Coop – Trading a player of Yoshida’s stature after just one season, especially a Japanese player playing MLB for the first time, especially after starting the year with a grueling WBC, just doesn’t make sense.
As a good comp, Seiya had a worse rookie season than Yoshida and look at how well he rebounded in his sophomore season last year.
That’s a tough transition. No one thinks about as much, but in addition to the longer season, Japan doesn’t have the time zone issues that we have.
Obviously fielding doesn’t count, but I’d have no problem adding either of those guys to my roto team this year.
Trollfree…. sorry man, that is a ridiculous trade. First, Bregman is all ready showing signs of declining. I live in Houston and even the Astros people are stating this… and correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Bora$$ his agent. Second, you would have to ink him to a similar deal that Bogaerts got…. sorry not paying for a guy in his 30’s. Second, and again, what is your deal with Mayer… the guy had a Shoulder injury that affected his swing big time. He tried to play through it and just couldn’t.. I had a similar injury my Junior year in College and had to shut it down because I couldn’t swing left handed… I was a switch hitter and couldn’t adjust to hitting Right handed versus Righty pitching. The overreaction with Sox fans in general on Mayer based on stats and struggles last year is really mind boggling.. Everyone was screaming bust on Casas at the first half of the season, not me. Same goes for Mayer.
Cooper – I read Mayer’s career differently than you are suggesting. I had problems with him BEFORE he got hurt. A guy who goes in the top 4 in a draft should EAT UP ROK, Low A,, A, and Hi-A pitching. He didn’t. His AA stint was impacted by his injury so I throw it out.
The problem is if you look at top draft picks and evaluate their initial success it tells you what you need to know about their future in most cases. Sure he could be an exception but I am betting he won’t be. By his age, he should have had a Sept in the MLB. Compare him to guys like Witt and Abrams who went in similar places in the draft two years before him and you’ll see what a STAR does at the low levels of the farm system.
For me, he projects to league average or slightly above league average like a Benny. I don’t see him at Devers level which isn’t all that great and I clearly don’t see him at a Bogey level or Mookie’s level which is elite. Top 4 picks should be that good in my opinion and he’s a bust in my eyes. He’ll make the majors and be a 100 to 115 OPS+ guy but he’s not a 130 or more guy like Mookie, or a 120 or more guy like Devers or Bogey. All the guys I’m comparing him to went much later in the draft!!!
Casas showed in the second half that he has a higher ceiling than I thought he had. I considered him a 120 OPS+ guy and now I could see him climb into the 130s or 140s if he keeps progressing. That’s significantly higher than Mayer. I also don’t think he is an issue defensively at 1B considering his bat. We already have the worthless Devers playing defense, for people to even bring up Casas’ defense when they accept Devers’ is pure ignorance. Nobody cares if the 1B does have the range of smaller faster 1Bs, that’s why metrics are totally bogus. They measure irrelevant components of a players defense.
As far as Bregman goes, it’s his intangibles that I like. He’s a highly competitive guy who seems to perform well in the clutch or at least when I’m watching. Before COVID he finished 2nd and 5th in the MVP voting at ages 24 and 25. His average dropped over 50 points during the shortened COVID season because he’s a second half guy and the 60 games never got him to his second half performance. In fact, he only played in 42 games thanks to injuries. In 2021, he got hurt again and played in only 91 games again limiting him from having a big second half. His OPS+ went from 152 and 162 (far higher than anything Devers has ever done) to 117 and 113 which is just slightly above league average but better than almost everyone on the current Red Sox roster. In 2022, he bounced back with a 134 and last year he put up a 122 with an OPS of .804. He will be 30 in 2024 so he’s in the middle of his prime years. He’s in his FA season so he is likely to put up huge numbers. Huge numbers for Boston rather than Houston would be outstanding. His defense is far, far better than Devers AND his approach to the game is far less me oriented than Devers so he will benefit the clubhouse. Houston would be dumb to trade him but it seems like they like Alvarez and Valdez more so who knows what their mindset is. Letting him go to free agency seems like an option they would avoid.
Bregman is an all-star level player and we need one at 3B and he’s a lot better hitter than Chapman. Bregman’s numbers will go up this year which negates your comment of him declining. Boras is his agent unfortunately and that is always a problem. If Bregman and Boras see his free agency bringing him a Bogaerts deal that’s insane. He’s much better than Devers and he won’t get that deal either because it was a massive mistake. If he goes to free agency he could clean up signing with the Yankees since the CAP means nothing to them. Likewise, the multi-billion dollar Dodgers payroll could sign him and pay him in 2040 or later so doing a deal with Boston might be difficult if Boras already has hung huge dollar signs in front of Bregman to incentivize him to push for Free Agency.
Coop – For me Mayer has a value greater than his skill much like Moncada did back in 2017. I think he is prime trade bait and I think his future will be similar to Moncada. He will be a slightly above league average player who was over-rated after the draft..
TRroll…. well thought out and descriptive analysis. Everything you said still doesn’t move the needle with me. Mayer’s Comp coming out of the draft was Brandon Crawford. I’ll take that Defensive ability all day and I think he will be a better hitter with a little more pop. I guess time will tell, but I have seen him play about 4 or 5 times now and every time my eyes tell me he is going to be a very good Major League Player…. and I go by my eyes and less on statistical trends and general info.
They just flat-out REFUSE to sign starters!
Ill never understand the whole “Buy Out” of a contract:
A contract for $6M in 2025 with a $2M Buyout in 2026, is the same as an $8M 2025 contract.
Yes, I know its for accounting purposes, but why? The guy is getting $8M for pitching in 2025, that $2M has nothing to do with what he’s doing in 2026.
It just needlessly complicates contracts, with the only goal being to subvert the Salary Threshold.
APBA
Because he’s not getting $8 million for pitching in 2025
If he got $8 million for pitching in 2025 and his $10 million option was picked up he’d get $18 million
He’ll only get $16 million
He’s getting 6 Million in 2024 and 2 Million Deferred.
Is that really any different. If he didnt sign a contract for 6 Mil in 2024, they would not give him the 2 Mil Opt-Out in 2025.
For all intents and purposes he is getting 8 Million for 2024.
I totally screwed years up in that last post, but point is still the same.
Even the Luxury Tax calculation (per Spotrac) says its part of the 2024/2025 salary, not the 2026. Next year, the team wont be deciding whether to pick up a $10M option, its will only be a $8M decision.
Maybe its for Tax purposes, but whatever reason, I hate that contracts nowaday are done this way.
APBA
You bring up a good point, but in the opposite direction.
By delaying the payment of the $2 million by s year they are saving themselves about $86,000 which… Isn’t nothing
“opposite direction”
What does that mean?
Just call the $2M a ‘deferred payment until 2026’. Then you dont have to do this ridiculous “buyout” terminology for a deferred payment.
Sounds like you dont know much about the subject and just want to argue. Please stop.
APBA
“Sounds like you dont know much about the subject and just want to argue.”
What am I “arguing” about?
You asked a question, I tried to answer it
It’s not a “deferred payment”. That’s probably why they don’t call it a deferred payment.
If it were a deferred payment then the player would be owed a total of $12 million in year 2 – the $2 million deferred payment plus the $10 million salary.
Its not a “$10 million salary” as you claim.
its an $8 million salary with a $2 million “Buy Out”.
You keep thinking that he’s getting $10M with a $2M buy out. That would total $12M which he’s not getting.
APBA
That’s my point, even if I fudged up the specific numbers
If it’s a buyout it’s not added.
If it were deferred it would be added.
Explain the Difference:
And Im not talking about this contract.
$20M Contract with a $10M Team Option, the Option includes a $2 Million Buyout to be paid on Nov 1st of 2025.
$22M Contract, $2Million Deferred (included in $22M) to be paid on Nov 1st of 2025, with a $8M Team Option.
Those to contracts work out exactly the same in every way except for terminology. I have no idea why you think they are different.
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My point from the beginning of this conversation has been: Why bother with the “buy out” bs. Just call it a $22M with a $8M Team Option.
APBA
“My point from the beginning of this conversation has been: Why bother with the “buy out” bs. Just call it a $22M with a $8M Team Option.”
MLB accounting is a bit complicated
Especially in that there are two systems going on
One is the actual payments. The other is the AAV calculation.
I believe that fans should have a basic understanding of finance. 1) it helps them understand why teams do certain things. 2) it might help them in their own lives or to be more informed citizens.
In your example, calling it a $22 million deal with an $8 million option would be correct (as far as I know);for e AAV calculation.
However, it would not be correct if you were trying to find the present value of the contract – which is something I think should be more widely reported since one thing fans like to do is compare contracts (if present value were more known by people, the Ohtani contract would make a lot more sense to people – for example).
Your example contract, in the context of PV or the actual payment schedule just IS NOT a $22 million contract with a $8 million option. So, it should not be reported as such.
Ok whatever
Game Over!
Maybe the opportunity and total of guaranteed money. AL East is very competitive but IF BOS SP can surprise (young guys, late ST or AS Break trade) they can grab a WC. Also there are plenty of rumors Kenley may be traded soon or usage cut back (possibly to an injury he is hiding; or could just be alot of wear and tear on his arm and shoulder/elbow)
“Little Australia” community near Boston maybe.
Ya – WIthout two quality SPs this team has NO CHANCE at the playoffs. As of today, they are about a 65 to 75 win team and a guaranteed last place finish and no playoffs.
They can quickly improve those projections with two moves that don’t cost money but Breslow hasn’t pulled that trigger yet:
1 – Move Devers to DH and trade Yoshida
2 – Fire Cora.
Hope is great but without SPs there is no hope just a lot of blood letting.
Troll: I am starting to think they loose 100 games this season. Breslow is Bloom 2.0 or worse. .
Seriously? We won 78 and our Py W/L was 81-81.
Which move do you think will cost us 19 games?
This isn’t a Breslow problem we know that now at least anyone who pays any attention. Ownerships mouthpiece Kennedy has now said one the payroll is likely to be less then last years payroll and now doubling down and saying Breslow is operating under set parameters. In another earlier article Breslow insinuates he thought the off-season was going to be full throttle when he took the job and that’s obviously not happened. It’s ownership they aren’t they aren’t green lighting extra spending they don’t want to invest in this team.
Ownership is also not getting rid of Cora this year it’s clear they wanted him back and it’s also clear, at least this year, Breslow doesn’t have the authority to fire Cora. If Cora’s not fired Devers plays third it’s simple this is what’s happening. It’s just now not even debatable there is no budget for this years team if there was Breslow would sign Monty in the blink of an eye and it now makes perfect sense why Breslow said we have to offload salary to add he’s working under tight fiscal constraints.
Bruin1012 – Speculation pretending to be facts. That’s pretty standard for your responses. Your conjecture means nothing.
We talk about facts when we state what things would improve if Devers stopped playing 3B or Cora is fired. We know this because Cora makes countless mistakes that a good manager wouldn’t make and we know we can’t hire a dumber manager because NONE exists. Devers’ data is indisputable.
Breslow is responsible for EVERY action or non action taken this off season. Ownership can posture in the media but the buck stops at Breslow. That’s his job. He is to rebuild a winning franchise and has taken very, very small steps to do that so far.
SO if they win 50 to 75 games that’s on Breslow. If Breslow picks up the players he needs and wins 95 games that is also on Breslow. The owners aren’t scapegoats for bad choices by the GMs. You said the same thing about Bloom and YOU were dead wrong so YOU lack credibility with your preaching of the constraints on Breslow.
People care about facts. Breslow not getting players is his issue and a reflection on how well he does his job. Spin doctors like you are constantly trying to point the finger in other directions but in the end Breslow is ACCOUNTABLE. The owners are ACCOUNTABLE for hiring him just like they were for Bloom. The blame is going to be spread to those who deserve it and guys like you trying to misdirect the blame are a dime a dozen. Nobody is buying it.
Except it’s not me it’s anyone that has half a brain ownership is backpedaling so fast right now they have former players calling them out everyone knows when it’s ownership or should. I mean you even have Devers calling out ownership along with a host of former players. Your blowhard opinion no longer matters because you’re wrong and you know it but you just continue to double down. The real question now is how hamstrung by ownership was Bloom as well. FSG is milking the Red Sox for their other ventures they just spent over a billion dollars on the PGA and hundreds of millions on real estate projects around Fenway. It’s time to call a spade a spade ownership isn’t willing to spend it’s not speculation it’s right in front of your face.
Bruin – Fenway Corners will be completed in about a decade. At that time FSG will spend to put a contender in Fenway.
Why? Because with Fenway Corners they will have a ton of new residential and commercial space to rent and sell.
Until then, the Red Sox will continue to be nothing more than an ATM for FSG’s other interests.
There’s nothing worse than having an owner who has no emotional attachment to the team and has no desire to win after already getting 8 rings.
“Little Australia” community near Boston maybe.
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Or, have someone call up Abbot and ask him to send a bus load of Australians next.
Best of luck to Liam even if its with the wrong Sox.
Too many things will have to fall right for them to win 80 games. An injury to a one or two guys . Plus a they have a lot of who knows how they are going to preform types.
Glad there are incentives for Liam to try hard.
Another bullseye for Spendlow Breslow who is coming back from Tommy John surgery. He should be of no help to this team this year. This team will be lucky to win 75 games and should be a last place team in the American League East.
Good signing