It was reported over the weekend that the Yankees are still interested in free agent left-hander Blake Snell. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com relays today that the club currently has an offer out to the lefty, though adds that the Angels and Giants are still possibilities. Despite that offer, Andy Martino of SNY threw some cold water on the proceedings, suggesting there’s not much momentum to getting a deal done at the moment.
There’s also a report today from Brendan Kuty and Chris Kirschner at The Athletic indicating that the club has made an offer to the southpaw with no opt-outs. It’s clear in the article that the offer in question was made to Snell prior to the club signing Marcus Stroman. The Yankees reportedly offered Snell $150MM over six years back in January, but the lefty was looking for either a longer deal or one with an average annual value of $30MM or more.
MLBTR predicted Snell for a seven-year, $200MM deal at the start of the offseason but his lingering on the market for months has led to some speculation he would consider a short-term deal, a possibility MLBTR recently explored.
The details of this current offer from the Yankees aren’t known, but it seems unlikely it’s of the short-term, high AAV type. The report from Kuty and Kirschner highlights that the club may not be in the best position to take the high AAV route because of their competitive balance tax status. Per Roster Resource, the club’s CBT number is $307MM, already beyond the fourth and final tier of $297MM. As a third-time payor at that level, any further spending comes with a 110% tax.
This would make it difficult for the club to get creative with Snell. Per the example used by Kuty and Kirschner, giving Snell a $40MM salary on a short-term deal would also come with $44MM in taxes, meaning the club would effectively be paying $84MM to get him on the roster this year.
This highlights the tricky position Snell is in at the moment. He is obviously incredibly talented, having just won a Cy Young last year after posting a 2.25 ERA with the Padres. That makes him very attractive but clubs may not want to commit to him for a long tenure given his inconsistency. From 2019 to 2022, in between Cy Young wins, he had a 3.85 ERA and never got to 130 innings pitched in any of those campaigns. As good as he was last year, he had to pitch around a 13.3% walk rate and got help from a .256 batting average on balls in play and 86.7% strand rate.
That lack of reliability could push some clubs to preferring a short-term deal but many contenders are over the CBT and face significant taxes, such as the Yankees, while others have budgetary limitations due to the bankruptcy of Diamond Sports Group and uncertainty around TV revenue. The January offer from the Yanks came with an AAV of $25MM and perhaps their new offer adds an extra year or a little bit more money. With Martino suggesting nothing is close to getting done, perhaps it’s not significantly different from last month’s offer.
Even if there are some clubs with a bit of powder dry at this late stage of the winter, there are still lots of free agents out there, with Boras representing all of the top names. In addition to Snell, he’s also looking to get deals done for Matt Chapman, Cody Bellinger, Jordan Montgomery, J.D. Martinez, Hyun Jin Ryu and more. Finding significant deals for all of those guys will be an interesting juggling act for Boras, as getting a deal done for one guy might have the domino effect of closing off the earning potential of another.
The Yankees have an on-paper rotation that is strong with Gerrit Cole backed up by Carlos Rodón, Stroman, Nestor Cortes and Clarke Schmidt. That’s a great group if everyone is healthy but each of Rodón, Stroman and Cortes missed significant time last year. The club also subtracted depth by including four starting pitchers in the Juan Soto trade. Signing Snell or some other starter could bump Schmidt down to sixth on the chart and into the minors, as he still has an option remaining.
Better off resigning Montgomery
Agreed. They know Montgomery already… 30 mill working once a week for a pitcher Yankees have no clue about it’s laughable…
Tell that to Carlos rodon
I realize there could be language in Boras’ retaining agreements but doesn’t it feel like a conflict of interest with the Boras’ firm representing so many still unsigned players? I’m thinking his out might be to cry conspiracy and collusion…
dbith
“his out might be to cry conspiracy and collusion…”
What on earth are you talking about?
There is no conflict of interest as long as Boras accurately communicates all offers to his clients
@MannyBeingMVP – I think @deweybelongsinthehall is saying owners may be colluding against Boras in an attempt to break his agency since he’s so often been a driving factor in setting high profile player contracts.
Filihok
He is suggesting that Boras will claim owners conspired against his clients.
First, zero evidence of that.
Second, zero evidence that Boras will make that claim.
Martras
No reason to believe that the marketplace is not working properly. Just a bunch of snowflakes upset that their roto-keepers could end up in either league, or none at all. Neither the players, nor Boras, nor the owners are doing anything wrong, other than a handful of owners who spend too little to justify their participation in this monopoly. And those are not the owners expect to be in play for Snell, Monty and Belli.
“Nor the owners are doing anything wrong”….The market can be totally unpredictable and difficult to read and project. I think the main issue is Scott Boras has misread the market. He uses the same strategy everytime and yet the market is not static and changes every year. Promising your clients the moon wasn’t wise in the year of the RSN collapse. A couple guys opted out to only later sign lesser contracts.
@dbith: It appears that you are the one crying conspiracy here.
But the owners have been found guilty of collusion and liable for monetary damages several times, so if the shoe fits…
I didn’t claim their was any evidence. There a lot of warts on the Boras clients this year, but the players are clearly pushing for record setter contracts. Not a great fit.
Apparently someone doesn’t grasp the concept of “conflict of interest”. At all.
fili, I’m not saying there is collusion but years ago the MLBPA filed grievances and collected big bucks from the owners who collectively decided not to pay the players. Given Boras controls so many top free agents still unsigned, it’s an excuse he may try to play. Just saying it’s possiblem
Not true necessarily. I had cases years ago involving a “sick building” and one law firm represented most of the building in separate (not consolidated or a class action suit). The first case went to trial and the verdict took ALL of the insurance money. The building was no longer worth anything and the other injured parties theoretically could have gotten nothing. Different situation of course but that law firm had a potential problem. More to the story but you get the idea.
How do you communicate to your clients that “i promise to fight for every last million you’ll never get and oh, by the way, 25 teams generally refuse to deal with me”?…
The real conflict starts before one is actually found. Simply put it’s when there is a perception, there is one. My legal mentor taught me that so many years ago. Again, legally the Boras’ Corporation likely is fine but morally if multiple clients are fighting for the same bucks from the same team?
The biggest problem for Boras is that the guys that are usually willing to deal with him (Dombrowski, Arte Moreno, Rizzo, even John Henry) have all basically sat out of the big money free agents. It gets harder for him to fleece teams when he doesn’t have the big spenders to play against each other
I believe it. Absolutely. Now that he has inserted himself as the MLBPA driving force, it’s in the owners best interests to not have players thinking Boras is the be all and end all. I don’t think it’s coincidence that FO’s are alluding to Boras’ methods as being the reason players aren’t getting extended or signed.
@foppert2: It’s incredibly naive to think that owners have any control over what players think.
The era of players being servants indentured to owners thankfully ended when Marvin Miller showed up and organized them to collectively bargain for their rights and share of the MLB revenue pie.
Sure. It’s about what players think of Boras’ effectiveness and counsel. They can absolutely influence that. When it comes to the MLBPA, I’m led to believe it’s a divide and conquer strategy. The owners are a powerful force when they all get on the same page. Ask Trevor Bauer about it. I think it’s naive to think that MLB would not be taking an opportunity to reduce Boras’ lustre with players pre CBA negotiation.
But the owners are rarely, if ever, on the same page. That’s what led to the strike in 1994-95, which was more of a conflict between large market owners and small market owners than between owners and players.
The lack of unity combined with the unity and strength of the MLBPA is a primary reason the players have often run rings around the owners in CBA negotiations.
All the more reason to bring him down a peg or three.
My man filihok! PSD is no more.
What does that even mean, and what harm does Boras’ success cause you?
Jealousy, I suppose.
What ?
It’s an observation. You crack me up. So bitchy and snarky.
That’s enough, blue barron. Stop posting.
Just don’t understand your animosity toward Boras.
That’s enough, blue barron
In this case, there is none. At other times, there is animosity in how he conducts himself. Sure. He is not my cup of tea. Way too into himself.
However, this opinion is about preparing for a negotiation in which he is a major force on the players side. I think that Manfred and the owners will be working to reduce his influence with the players. It’s in their best interests to do that pre negotiation. That’s it. No jealousy, no animosity.
But they don’t hold any such power over the players. You’re dreaming if you think they do.
Ok. Im dreaming. You win.
Now go get yourself a testosterone prescription.
foppet
Muted (donkey butt)
Why must you resort to personal comments? Is a discussion of the topic at hand too much for you?
Not everything in life needs to be a pi$$ing contest.
lol at playing victim on the getting personal. I must be just jealous of you and Boras.
You are a special person, Blue Baron.
Where in this discussion did I make a personal comment? That one’s on you. Own it.
That’s enough, blue barron. I was hoping to not read any comments from you today. Enough.
Eat me, Owensboro. Nobody was talking to you.
I comment as I please. Nobody’s forcing you to read anything.
Are you serious ? The bitchy I must be driven by jealousy comment. As I said, you are special.
Whatever you say.
“Just don’t understand your animosity toward Boras”.. You’re basically saying you don’t understand how anyone cannot have your exact same view of the world. Gotcha. That’s not arrogant at all and lawyers have had an awful reputation of lying and deceit LONG before Scott Boras came upon the scene. And that’s just what Scott Boras is, just another lawyer trying to jack up his commissions and billable hours. If you want to operate as a Boras shill or P.R agent, go right ahead, but don’t begrudge the rest of us our own opinions.
Have your opinions and have a good time with them.
By the same token, don’t begrudge me my opinion and make me disagreeing with you into some kind of personal vendetta.
“Have your opinions”…don’t begrudge me my opinion”…No I don’t do that and I generally don’t play the insults game. I don’t find your opinion or opinions crazy, foolish or outlandish at all, it’s just that there’s also opinions on the other side of the argument.
Obviously. Where did I suggest otherwise?
@deweybelongsinthehall – Boras continuously over values his players, and shockingly continuously sets new high water marks for AAV and overall contract values. He’s established a price tag based on the profile of “2x Cy Young Winner” that probably ignores the 4 seasons in between where Snell was a 104 ERA+ pitcher (oh and his FIP last season was over full point higher than his ERA).
Boras has demonstrated that this is a game of chicken, and he’s willing to crash the car. Something like 30% of FA’s now sign in February – and it hasn’t really negatively impacted the contracts that they’ve received.
While many fans and some owners are warm on the idea of a FA deadline – the players association, player reps, and even Manfred would stand against it because the prolonged offseason keeps the MLB relevant for an extra month, and players are still getting paid
Most of those owners no longer own the teams currently
When none of them are signed there will be all the evidence we need.
MLB is nearly 50 years into the Free Agency system. And the other 3 major sports leagues are structured somewhat similarly and have agents that represent multiple players.
In the MLBs case there are 30 franchises and 26 active roster spots per franchise. So a total of 780 active roster spots and no hard cap, so any perception anyone is trying to portray of a conflict of interest is loose and best. And past practice wouldshow any argument for that perception is rather weak. Furthermore per the MLBPA CBA the players represented by Boras Corporation have every right to hire another agent if they so choose. So and notion or perception of a conflict of interest is absolutely baseless, unfounded, and dismissed almost immediately.
filihok
“his out might be to cry conspiracy and collusion…”
What on earth are you talking about?
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I think that sentence is about as straightforward as they come.
filihok
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I’m curious why you advertise whom you mute. I’ve muted a couple of posters, but don’t bother to tell the world.
JB
Maybe if you live in some brain worm fantasy world.
I mean, just to begin with
An “out” from what?
JB
“why you advertise ”
I don’t
I hope they do collude. Borass is a garbage agent, who constantly puts players in bad situations in search for the last dollar.
Even though collusion is illegal? Boras seems to do right by the vast majority of his clients.
@Mathew, Boras Corp must clearly be bad as only 175 MLB players choose to be represented by them…
@Foppert, what front offices are alluding to any players not being extended or resigned?? Let alone due to Boras Corp.
Numerous teams are locking up talent by extending them earlier than ever. There is zero lack of players being extended or signed other than a handful of big names yet to sign. It’s also a very unique off season where many of the biggest free agents have question marks. Not to mention mamy teams aren’t in need as they ve been EXTRNDING talent earlier than ever.
They know him well and that’s exactly why he’s not a Yankee.
And chicks for free!
Same issue really. Even Montgomery’s gonna be at $25m per year at least. That’s the equivalent of $52.5m cost per year for the Yankees. For basically the luxury of sending Clarke Schmidt back down (again) if everyone is miraculously healthy. I just don’t know why they’d do that. Better off finding a 3B who can hit. DJ LeMahieu is not a 3B and is at the stage of his career when he’s constantly getting hurt anyway.
I beg to defer. I would not be surprised Monty falls in the $18.5-22 million range over 5-6 yrs. He is NOT a $25 million per yr starter
@Anthony maresca: You beg to DIFFER. No way to DEFER that.
Just to comment on DJ not being a 3rd baseman. In 2022 he won a golf glove for utility where he recorded 5 OAA at third base. You can probably put him at 1b 2b or 3b and he would be better defensively than most starters on other teams at their respective position.
He’ll never come back here. Can’t say as I blame him but…that ship has sailed. Snell is a better pitcher anyway.
Of course he won’t comeback. Besides, why would he come back since Cashman said he couldn’t be part of a playoff rotation (proven wrong) and the Yankees literally tried to get him to dump the curveball, his best pitch and throw cutters instead?
MLBTR said it best: “Jordan fits as a #2 or high-end #3 starter on a contender.” How many clubs can pay a maybe-2/probably-3 starter almost $30M a year? For 5 or 6 years?
Overhyping Snell is one thing, but the Boras hot air around Montgomery is another level of circus entertainment.
nukeg
“MLBTR said it best: “Jordan fits as a #2 or high-end #3 starter on a contender.” How many clubs can pay a maybe-2/probably-3 starter almost $30M a year? For 5 or 6 years?”
I don’t know if they said it best, but I’ll try to say it better
Considering a pitcher a #1 or #3 startet is, at best, incomplete.
Montgomery has been a 3ish WAR Starter when he’s been healthy. Last year, he was better than that.
3 WAR is worth $25ish million on the open market. 4 WAR is worth over $30 million.
So, Montgomery’s worth depends a lot on whether he’s the 3 WAR pitcher he has been or the 4vWAR pitcher he showed last year.
Yes because Monty has two Cy Youngs under his belt. C’mon now. My fellow Yankees fans (and other Monty lovers), Snell is and Monty are not comparable, period.
The one thing about Monty is you know exactly what you’re going to get. Snell can be the proverbial box of chocolates. Though Snell has much higher upside.
Another speculation that is based on what exactly? The Yankees aren’t signing Snell. They have to pay double with the tax– so a $30M annual turns into $60M with the tax. That ain’t happening. Snell goes to the Angels or Giants.
I imagine it’s based on the contract offer they gave him today.
Monty is the way. Snell is up and down. Yankees have 3 up and down pitchers already. Monty is consistent.
Cashman also managed to talk s*** about Montgomery. That guy is a prince. A DUI prince.
What are you talking about? Who got a DUI??
Montgomery is too much a contact hitter.
More likely to sign Snell for one reason. Box Office and ratings. Not sure why they have not done this already. Having 2 Cy Young winners on the same team would electrify the Yankee fan base and the Yankees would likely be WS favorites.
Baseball fans are not stupid. They know this pitching staff is sketchy at best. Personally, I think we will lose a lot of innings due to injury, the Yankees will go dumpster diving by the break, and add maybe $20 million to payroll anyway, and get trash in return.
Snell is NOT good enough to be demanding that kind of princess treatment
and before anyone says he won cy young i raise you robbie ray
And snell raises you two cy young’s
One of which came 6 years ago. Guy puts up his first decent season in 6 years and he demands a 7 year contract? Hell nah
I’ll even raise you a Yamamoto that has never thrown a pitch and all of the differences between leagues, etc.
Age 25 with no history of injuries.
Dewey – yet not pitching a MLB schedule or ball. Just saying you can’t only look at one piece of this puzzle.
Long, agreed but the age dictated the years and the performance in Japan dictated the AAV. Similar to Soto next year but this involved a starting pitcher.
No doubt he was going to get paid but if I remember correctly, he overshot the estimates by a very large amount. Without making it about Yam, my point is from a risk tolerance perspective, do you want a 2 time CY in MLB (Snell’s injury history is cleaner than you think – a lot of gastrointestinal and flu time out as opposed to “injury”) that has proven mlb track record or a guy that is younger but never thrown a pitch against an mlb lineup.
Whatever your risk tolerance is is good with me.
Pretty sure Ohtani was the same – with no history of injury.
How did that injury history turn out?
People always think the grass is greener on the other side of the ocean.
You’re seriously selling Snell short.
It was 4 years between great seasons, (not 6 or 7) and of those 4 years he posted an ERA 0f 3.38 and 3.24 in two of the seasons.
Suggesting last season was “decent” is also seriously under-selling how good he was.
Snell has been very good.
Career 3.20 ERA
Career 3.44 FIP
Career 3.62 xFIP
It’s not uncommon for a lefty’s actual ERA to beat the FIP/xFIP stuff.
His durability has been a big problem. He’s had 2 years in his entire career where he’s pitched more than 129 innings. He won the Cy Young both times. There’s also how inconsistent he’s been. Actual results vary from best starting pitcher in baseball results wise, to #4 starter, results wise.
Last year reflects the first time in his career he backed up a great season with another great season and the 2nd time in his career where he was a qualified starter. Of course front office’s are highly concerned with Snell’s reliability.
In the SBNation Offseason Sim, Snell was one of only a couple free agents who went for far less than MLBTR was expecting. 5yrs $125MM or so as I recall. That’s probably what he can command from most teams. A 5yr $150MM was an market overpay by the Yankees.
Yankees offered 6/150 not 5/150
He is on record saying he didn’t want to play for less $ during the shortened strike season. He is not a big market pitcher often pitching with little fan fare. Ie the rays. If he were to sign with a big market team like NY or Boston for that matter and gets off to a slow start the media will eat him up and this will turn into a very ugly contract
Yeah, I remember that vividly. I don’t want to catch “The Rona” was his big line.
@Dmac13: What strike-shortened season? The last one was 1995.
2020 when they only played 60 games due to covid sorry (I remember both sides mlb pa and owners had to agree to agree and it got dicey) snell made comments didn’t want to play for prorated pay
So it wasn’t actually strike-shortened. Understandable mistake.
And then Snell will raise you a second CY.
Ray 3.96 career ERA isn’t in the same class with Snell’s career 3.20 ERA. Snell will get what the Market gives.
Pitcher has career year before hitting free agency. Shocker.
Is having a career year just before hitting free agency some kind of character flaw, ronnsnow. Would you have felt better if he had crapped the bed in ’23?
That’s causation not correlation. Different players become free agents every single year. Some have great seasons, some good, and some bad. Just pointing at a handful that had good years means nothing.
I find it kind of laughable, the majority of these guys have lived and breathed baseball to get to MLB. The notion that many are sand bagging and suddenly putting in extra effort on walks years is absurd. If they have 3 great seasons prior to walking opposed to one they ll earn even more, so aside from the absurdity it doesn’t make sense from the financial narrative you are trying to push either.
His first good season in 6 years really shouldn’t get him a 6 or 7 year deal lol
@Heartbreaks. There were only 4 years separating Snell’s two CYs. Curiouis, what is a good year to you? In 2022 his ERA was 3.38. In 2020 it was 3.24. For most SPs those would be very good years.
Snell never has and never will be prime Greg Maddux level. That’s all that matters in terms of his “career”
Yes, your arbitrary, cherry-picked comparison to Greg Maddux is enough to convince me he’s not worth signing.
Mostly everyone is worth signing when you’re righting the terms out. Anyone who gives Snell the years and AAV he’s thinking better hope you win it all when he’s at his best because the other years you may not be close if you’re depending on Snell. Anyone say David Price?
@Owensboro – ERA+ was 217 in 2018 and 182 last season. Those are similar to common results in Greg Maddux’s prime, not that it’s relevant.
I can’t even begin to imagine what Maddux would have made if his performances were pushed forward 20 years.
The comparison above was made between Ray and Snell. Not Snell and Maddux (one of the greatest of his generation)
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There are 22 pitchers all-time who have won multiple Cy Young awards, and Snell is one of them. And he’s only 31. Yeah, not so much.
How many of those pitchers had a 5 year gap full of mid, inconsistent seasons between them? Asking for a 7 year deal is crazyyy
Dude, go take a nap.
I think he could get 7 years, but the total dollar value isn’t going to change much. He’d just be working for less.
There were 4 years between Snell’s CYs, not five. In two of those years his ERA was in the low 3s
And since Snell isn’t one with such a player “full of mod, inconsistent seasons between them”, I guess your position is idiotic because you are basing it on inaccurate statistics.
808aMH
Muted (misogyny)
I am sure he cares about a snowflake liberal not reading his posts.
Calm down, princess. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.
@ted
Muted (juvenile, misogyny)
Anyone “demanding” less then they can get in their profession is a fool
Yet “demanding” more than they are likely to get at the risk of unemployment is ever more foolish.
Mets Heartbreaks
Why get upset because neither owners nor certain star players seem in a hurry? Trust everyone to make the decision best for themselves.
I understand being upset when a player under contract fails to report. But Snell is not under contract and has no obligation to play all or even part of 2024 unless he finds an opportunity that he likes.
Because missing part of the season solely due to contract politics is *never* the best decision for anyone.
Even just missing part of Spring Training has been shown to have dire consequences.
Years maybe not, but 30 million no question Snell is worth every dollar bill. Maybe he just doesn’t want to play for a pretender with deep pockets.
That’s right. 11.9 WAR over the last 5 seasons, going into his 30s now, notoriously injury prone, and you’d be getting him when he rates to need at least a year to recover from his 2023 workload?
$200 million???
Only CY winner I know of that had garbage seasons right before CY win. He likely will have garbage seasons after. That’s why he won’t take a short term deal- he knows he’ll stink it up and never see that retirement contract.
Old news
Smell is only asking for half a Yamamoto.
Thanks for that visual!
You see scent?
I can with this one dude I work with, can even hear it.
No, just half of Yamamoto.
Yes, Snell not Smell.
Will be interesting to see what Boras can finagle for his brood of free agents
Teams should learn to just say no. Bleep him and the horse he rode in on. But no, every year some fool caves.
If you want to know what a player is really worth, just ask Some Guy on the Internet. He always knows!
BlueSkies
You rang?
Never been this many this late before, so it looks like Boras will be left holding the bag with most of these guys. The idea is that teams will have injuries in ST and will need replacements which is true, but how many owners are gonna pony up $200M on a whim? I’d love it if every one of his unsigned clients had to sit out the whole season.
Snell and Bauer will be the meanest 1-2 punch in Korea next season
And Bauer belongs there counting yen,Snell will be here cashing 30 million dollar checks.
Big Stein would’ve signed Snell and Belli by now, even if the Yankees didn’t need them.
This is precisely why I am glad Big G is long gone. Signing any and all free agents, regardless of price or value, is not a winning strategy.
Everyone says that but the money is so much bigger today and the Yankees have so many other teams to compete with now. Such just drives the price up and up.
The Yankees won 5 World Series titles and 2 additional World Series appearances in a 14 year span (1996-2009) using that philosophy of high spending… It seemed to work just fine for them
These days, the Yanks seem to spend on the second or third best guy, the one that has an injury history but is still expensive.
Its called luxury tax… wanna sign Snell for 7 year 210 mill? Be ready to pay up 231 mill in luxury taxes.
Is Snell worth 441 million??? Never.
That’s a broad generalization as far as paying the highest equating to the big wins.
Just fyi, luxury tax is only based on the years you are over the threshold. So it would be 110% of 2024 dollars, if they come below the threshold next year (doubtful) it will get reset. Feasibly, if they backload the contract, which is not advisable, they could make it make sense.
@canuckleball you may want to go back and actually look at how they won those championships. Home grown core was key, along with more modest trades and signings. They rarely signed the best, biggest free agents…
… they didn’t sign Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Albert Belle, or Barry Bonds, because they already had Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams, Paul O’Neill, Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, and others.
That’s not to say they didn’t have some big free agents, but the biggest pieces of the 90s teams were put in place when Steinbrenner was banned.
Their big explosion in massive free agent signings came in the 2000s — Mussina, Giambi, A-Rod, etc. and they didn’t win a title with that philosophy until 2009.
And A-Rod never would have come to The Bronx had Aaron F’in Boone not torn up his knee playing pickup basketball.
Every year I think Boras overrates his clients more, yet owners usually bail him out (and then are almost always sorry with the way the deals turn out). Will the cycle repeat itself yet again this time?
Why would it not?
Don’t care if he ever signs really. Baseball can and will move on without him.
I would rather have prime Randy Johnson.
Way to go out on a limb.
You wouldnt???
Comparing Snell to prime Randy Johnson or prime Greg Maddox is silly. Compare Snell to Tyler Glasgow, Max Fried, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Jordan Montgomery, Aaron Nola, Carlos Rodon, Yu Darvish, Joe Musgrove and Jacob deGrom.
Or prime Steve Carlton or prime Ron Guidry just to name to other lefties.
Prime Clemens.
Son you didn’t see Carlton prime or if you did you were watching Carlton Fisk pitching mop up in a Boston blow out circa 1979.
Roids Clemens
@owensboro I would rather have prime Walter Johnson than Randy. Sub-2 career ERA before age 32, 400+ wins. So there.
I would rather have prime Randy Johnson plus prime Greg Maddux plus prime Walter Johnson plus prime Roger Clemens plus prime Greinke.
I’d rather have prime Michael Jordan, and start a basketball team.
Howza ’bouts Amazon prime?
I would rather not because michael jordan is a degenerate lowlife gambler.
Like all snapping into place like a Transformer.
Not a wildlife perservationist I see.
I would rather have Robbie Ray healthy as I posted and got martyred in the Mariners thread when they claim they all want to sign Snell.
Steinbrenner-in-name-only showing a will to win at last
That’s all a Steinbrenner is. It’s a name.
More than 4 is nuts. 3 is about right. The book on Snell has always been when his mechanics are right he’s awesome, but when he’s off, it’s walk central. Teams give lengthy contracts for consistency. Inconsistent results and long contracts with high AAV’s are what gets GM’s canned.
That’s why Montgomery deserves the lengthy deal. No flash, just consistency.
Lengthy, yes, big money, not as much.
Yankees probably told him, “Here’s our offer. If you don’t get one you like better by March, then we’ll be happy to have you.”
Which is the smart way to do it at this point. Boras is on crack with his ask and now ST is starting. He’s not consistent to begin with….what kind of shape is he in? What are you getting for your investment?
One year and 25 mil. Not good enough? Go find better!
There are 10 teams at least that would offer him better than 1 year 25 million
That’s cool but will they let him keep the goatee? I don’t think so. Angels it is
I believe they’ll allow his soul patch/flavor saver a la Stanton, just not the chin strap. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At the end of the day the game will go on without Snell and all these other unsigned Boras clients. I just don’t get it. Nobody has benefited from this at all. Best case you have a Harper situation where he pretends he loves Philly and years later it works out because the Phillies raised payroll to astronomical amounts since the signing. And even then that toolbox wants an extension now with 8 years left.
Nobody is winning here.
Bpita
” it. Nobody has benefited from this at all.”
Benefited from what?
And what has it (whatever it is) cost anyone?
It’s not a coincidence that the top 4 or 5 remaining free agents are all Boras clients.
The players have not benefited from this. Waiting until February benefits nobody.
We will see what it costed them. These contracts are not going to be what people expected them to be back in November.
Bpita
So, it hasn’t cost them anything nor had it benefited them
So… What’s the issue?
It’s stupid for the sake of being stupid. When someone steals your property it’s wrong but at least it makes sense they wanted what you had and they took it. This is just stupid a lose lose situation.
Bpita
What? What does this have to do with stealing?
How does signing before February benefit anyone?
What are you on about?
Signing before February is a definite benefit to the team if they’re signing a star. They’re typically big parts of the marketing packages they put out for potential season ticket holders.
Teams would rather have this done early at the right price. But when you can’t get there—this is what you get. It’ll sort itself out soon enough.
BS
“Signing before February is a definite benefit to the team if they’re signing a star. They’re typically big parts of the marketing packages they put out for potential season ticket holders.”
If the teams benefit, they should pay up
Filihok teams were ready to pay up. Lots of players got massive contracts this offseason but Boras wanted more so here they sit.
This is stupid. It’s bad for everyone like I said.
Bpita
“Boras wanted more”
Citation requested
“This is stupid. It’s bad for everyone like I said.”
If the teams benefit from having them signed, they should sign them
I don’t need a citation goofball. The top 5 free agents left as of today, which btw is February 19th, are Boras clients. That’s not some random coincidence.
Bpitq
“I don’t need a citation”
You do. That’s how reasoned discussion works
“That’s not some random coincidence.”
And how you know it’s not just confidence
Just because you offer a dollar doesn’t mean he’s going to take it.
I love how baseball subjects itself from whose blackballed vs paid. These guys need to take things into the season and have owners come begging for their services like our good ol boy rich hill has banked the latter ages of his career on very successfully.
When you’re reaching social security age and understand you can’t last a full season, the Rich Hill approach works. If you’re looking for every last dollar, you need spring training so you’re on the hill on opening day.
Snell can sweat out some time. These guys aren’t just being couch potatoes all off season. Well most of them aren’t. Snells made 48 mil over his career. That’s a decent enough security net for a two time cy young that’s going to get paid one way or another regardless of his absence simply due to the constant overwhelming demand for simple viable starting pitching. You can say what you want against him, but he’s already on an elite list of pitchers names with those two awards attached. He might not get what he thinks he deserves but he will paid.
Snell isn’t that durable. The Yankees should pull their offer and stick it to Boras. They had a solid offer on the table and Boras got greedy. If teams would quit bailing out Boras players would drop him and seek other agents.
Dar
“If teams would quit bailing out Boras players would drop him and seek other agents.”
That’s…uhhh…one phrasing
Another could be something like “since Boras consistently gets his plays 8 good deals, players keep singing with him”
Amazing how brainwashed to favor capital people are
Bore Ass sometimes gets the bigger names bigger deals, but how bout we ask Mike Moutsakas and Dallas Keuchel and Greg Holland et al how they feel about blindly following Bore Ass’s advice?
And Hyatt could fill their empty rooms with the un-housed
HV
“Mike Moutsakas and Dallas Keuchel and Greg Holland et al how they feel about blindly following Bore Ass’s advice?”
Do thst
Let me know
“Mike Moustakous and Dallas Keuchel”….Ryan Franklin, Michael Conforto and Kyle Lohse on lines 1 & 2 & 3…………And expect a call soon from Bryce Harper wondering why his agent made him look foolish by publicly requesting an extension with 8 yrs & $190M+ left on his current deal.
Someone’s gonna come out of the woodwork for Snell. Seems like Bellinger is destined to return to the Cubs on a hugely disappointing deal, just because no one else is even a little interested. And the Cubs will still regret it. Montgomery seems to have more suitors and I bet he ends up with either Angels or Giants. Chapman may linger a long while but in the end will end up with one of the big spenders, maybe Angels as Rendon transitions to DH to keep him on the field a little. But Snell, it wouldn’t surprise me if some team comes out of left-field and offers him $180m or something. Something bizarre like the Tigers or Rockies or Pirates.
Their regret would hinge on what he’s offered. Fans call the Cubs cheap these days, but every time they’ve held firm on an offer they’ve been right. Rizzo, Bryant, Baez- none have been worth what they were seeking.
And them not signing Rizzo, Bryant, and Baez has given them the money to do … what, exactly?
The point, seam, is not having them on the books at awful contracts. Rizzo has been solid but Bryant and Baez have been terrible. Cubs may not have spent that money elsewhere but at least they don’t have those contracts on the books.
Could you imagine if they were? They’d be a bottom 5 team in baseball with a top 7 payroll. Don’t forget, Rizzo has been playing for less than what the Cubs reportedly offered and he rejected.
The money they didn’t commit allows them to be a player in the free agent market.
In part because they had Heyward.
Seamaholic
Replaced Baez with Dansby and KB with Seiya. Cubs did fine with that.
Replaced Rizzo with Belli will be too bad if they downgrade to Busch, or maybe it will be good
“Given them the money to do…what exactly”……A massive, near 1/2 billion dollar upgrade to Wrigley field for starters. .
6/180 for Snell imo would be a nice pickup
If Snell signs a 6yr somewhere in the 162 (Rodon deal)-175 range, that is good news for Balt as far as framework adjustment for extending Burnes.
Boras was probably counting on 225+ for Burnes after thinking he’d get Snell “at least” 200. That may dampen the utopia of waiting to reach open market.
Provided Burnes is elite again this year, his contract will be much bigger than Snell’s.
Burnes has a much better track record of durability and consistency along with being a year younger.
Burnes going to top Coles 9/325 easily next year
Funny how things can work out. Suppose Burnes and Cole were five years older and Burnes was traded to Baltimore before they moved the fences back. A lousy season could end up killing his value. I realize Milwaukee is a hitters park but when I think of the old Camden Yards, Mookie and the damage he did there is the first image in my head.
Where do you see snell isnt durable?..and fwiw burnes has only been a startee in mlb for 3 years
@Poolhalljunkies – Please at least look at a players stats before asking a question which has obvious answers.
“At last”…So what was the near billion dollars to bring in and retain Aaron Judge, Giancarlo Stanton and Gerrit Cole?…Chopped liver?…Boy, you Yankees fans complain about what 90% of other fans would sign up for in a heartbeat. You could certainly understand if Hal Steinbrenner just gave up, because the spoiled, entitled NY “fan” will complain no matter what the Yankees do.
Did you read the article? It isn’t just signing Snell for 30M a season. With taxes, they pay him 64M a season, They have their draft picks dropped ten slots, they lose millions in international money and even the Yankees have to draw the line somewhere or they will be handicapped for years to sign another free agent. Even Montgomery would cost them 58M per season and that is the direct results of going maximum salary each year. They end up paying more in taxes than actual payroll and that is total incompetence on the part of the GM.
If the Yankees are really making an offer for Snell, they should reconsider Montgomery. Montgomery is a known quantity, more reliable than Snell too.
Snell has a better life time WAR, has won 2 Cy Young awards, and was the ACE of the RAYS and Padres. He will be a #2 for the Yanks. Monte was never an ace for any team.
“Aces get 7 years” – Jake Arrieta ….Jake Arrieta turned down multiple 5 year contract offers to only later sign for 3 yrs(Phillies)at the same AAV…
I remember that, Jake wanted something comparable to Max Scherezer’s deal with the Nationals at the time. He held out and his performance began to slip, thus he didn’t have any leverage by the end of the 2017 season, his numbers were coming down towards the end.
I’m sure his walk rate is an issue. He runs his pitch count high and that’s why he doesn’t stay in games long. The last few years he has had a few almost no-hitters where he carried it later into the game, but he was at like 120 in the 7-8th.
He got himself in plenty of trouble last year with the walks and left a few out over the plate in the beginning of the year, but had the stuff to get himself out of trouble (didn’t help the pitch count).
I’m sure he has a few great years left in the arm, but you likely aren’t buying any Cy Young years no matter what Borras might say. Any team would be lucky to have him even with the walks and pitch count. He can get a ton of Ks and he has stayed pretty healthy.
He also give a great in-game interview.
31 year old with a very inconsistent performance history and had arguably his best season in his walk year (‘shocker’). Sounds about right for another idiotic brian cashman mega contract.
It was actually his 2nd best season. And his first good season in years. Zero chance he will live up to his next contract.
I don’t care about Boras. I’m fairly sure other agents push as hard as they can to get their clients good deals. But I don’t see anything in the range of dollars/years being speculated on as smart for the Yankees. Too high a cost, will make it difficult to sign other, needed talent, and let’s face it, he’s no Cole. Cole has 17.8 BWAR for the Yankees in 3 years plus 2000. Nearly 600 IP in the last three years. Snell is not worth Cole money
Defer 97%+ Of The Contract Like Ohtani’s….
Btw, Doesn’t Snell Look Like A Bad Guy From A 1940’s Bogey Movie (with that thin mustache)
Kind of amusing that the article claims the rotation is “strong” when Stroman/Rodon/Cortes all had major injury issues in 2023 and Schmidt is a #5 on his best days. I get that it’s “if healthy” but that’s a billion to ask for with this group…and it’s not like they’re brimming with minor league depth.
If Yanks get Snell, O’s should counter with Montgomery. Orioles should be going after Montgomery regardless.
He certainly would be a great addition to their rotation.
Is this another Carlos Correa situation where the Twins come in with the one your offer?
*year
Potentially MLB is reaching a saturation point with these salaries?
A couple years ago a Phillies upper management said something like -You can only have so many 30million dollar contracts?
Won’t do the math, but common sense might suggest that if MLB is handing out over a 1/2 dozen of these a year…eventually they’ll be no room left? Oh well time for my Happy Hour in the midwest….
I feel bad for any team that pays Snell over 20 something a year. Even mid twenties and up seems like a big overpay to me. You never know if you’re getting a Cy Young year or a #3-#4 starter year.
Promised him he would get his own bobblehead night. That should seal the deal, sigh.
Just get Trevor Bauer for one year, he’s willing to sign for league minimum to prove himself.
More like sign Trevor for 8 years.
It is a toughie. He’s been campaigning hard for a roster spot, and he’s been willing to take on a lot of risks publicly. Still, with the existing lawsuit pending in AZ, I just don’t think any team will bite.
I know the optics say that the cost would be double, but realistically you could say that the cost for adding Snell is the $30 million and you’re paying double for the cost of Juan Soto. The best way to look at it is that if their budget is 300 million and it goes to $360 million with the new contract and the tax then each individual player is costing 20% over their contract. Maybe I’m just too pragmatic.
I like my view though because then if you trade away a player who is making 15 million, you can look at it as trading away $15 million and getting back $3 million extra!
I bet he ends up regretting turning down 150 mil for six years.
Nah, there’s a few teams out there that would go 150 still. Now him getting that 200m+ that Boris wants is highly doubtful.
There is zero reason the giants are in this discussion. they have like 12 starters. They all have very good promising careers and this signing would block any of those young kids from shining. If this were me I’d consider the Yankees only. The angels are an absolute dumpster fire with zero farm system and an owner who throws money out at has-beens constantly. The pujols signing although I love pujols was terrible, same with Anthony Rendon. the only player they have is Mike Trout.
Ryn
“an owner who throws money out at has-beens constantly. “.
This seems pretty revisionist
Pujols was one of the best players in baseball when he signed with the Angels
And Rendon was one of best and steadiest performers when he signed
but when pujols went to the angels, he was on the back 9 of his career, and the cards knew this. Rendon had a few good years. And what has he done with the angels? Pujols didn’t do much for the angels either. his avg went down, he grounded into even more double plays, and he wasn’t healthy. They have needed pitching the whole time, and they went after offense. and when they have drafted, they would trade those kids away for nothing. Arte Moreno is probably one of the worst owners in baseball besides the Oakland A’s and Pirates owners. he’s too involved, and they keep going out and getting new gm and new managers year after year. it’s not the managers. It’s the team. They have Mike Trout. it was wise they didn’t go after ohtani. he’s eventually going to fall apart and either go to batting only or to a reliever/ batter. Pujols was a heck of a player with the cards, but they knew he was going to decline, and he did. fast. Rendon is a shell of himself and hasn’t provided any value at all. Well, he beat up a fan, I guess that’s value. And then he just went and said baseball has never been a priority to him, and it’s strictly a job. Tell me who the angels have down on the farm that is worth a sniff?
Right, Pujols was already in significant decline before leaving the Cardinals. His 2011 season was nothing like his prime and he was also in decline in 2010. The writing was on the wall. And Ohtani is already about to be 30 and wont even pitch this season and who knows how good his pitching will be when he does pitch again or for how much more time he will be able to at all. Going to be a disastrous contract, could easily end up as the worst of all time.
ryno
Perhaps you don’t know what “revisionist” means.
It means you are revising history.
When the Angels signed Pujols, he was one of the best players in baseball.
When the Angels signed Rendon he was uber-consistent and productive
They were not, as you said, “has-beens”
both were 30 when they signed. why would you commit that kind of money to a 30 year old? Moat guys now days dont even play past 37. It’s smart to develop your own guys internally and grow your farm system. Do what TB does. They rarely have to go out and sign anyone. They sraft and develop their own inside. That means better contracts. Think of the braves who developed basically 85% of their roster internally. And most of them are heavily underpaid. Anthopolus has got to be one of the best gm there is. He signs his kids early and every single one of them has worked out. And they haven’t had to dip into free agency to overspend in a while. if baseball went with this approach salaries of these players would go down. We wouldn’t have guys making 40M a year. It’s not good for baseball or any other sport. The reason why? Those costs come at our entertainment. So hot dogs, seats and memorabilia goes up drastically. These guys are selfish.Tbere is absolutely zero reason anyone needs to earn 30+M a year. It’s getting ridiculous that we have to spend outrageously to watch entertainment. It’s supposed to be fun and enjoyable for us, instead we go to the games and spend our life savings just to enjoy a night of fun.
run
Here’s your statement
“an owner who throws money out at has-beens constantly. “
Nether Pujols nor Rendon were has beens when the Angels signed them.
This
“if baseball went with this approach salaries of these players would go down. We wouldn’t have guys making 40M a year. It’s not good for baseball or any other sport. The reason why? Those costs come at our entertainment. So hot dogs, seats and memorabilia goes up drastically. ”
Is 100% backwards
Players get huge salaries BECAUSE people are willing to spend billions of dollars on baseball
Do you think owners see that people are willing to soend, say, $150 to go to a game and then say, “were only going to charge $100”?
No. That makes no sense
Take an econ 101 class. Or even a high school level economics claas and learn about supply and demand and pricing
Cashman poured cold water over the terms of the offer btw.
Smell had a 5/150 offer.
Dodgers. Glasnow gets hurt in ST. 6/180
Giants need a SP very bad! Snell a #2 at 7/200
Cubs surprise at 7/210. Fans remember Hayward signing and skip all April home games.
Angels outbid themselves at 7/245
All possible.
Confusing. Stating for a friend.
the giants have 12 young pitchers. what are you talking about? they were looking to part with several of them during the off-season to get some offense.
It’s fun to daydream of Boston getting Chapman. Move Raffy to full time DH (like Papi) and Chapman/Story on the left side of the infield. The defensive upgrade makes all their pitchers a little bit better. And then live w Yoshi in LF.
Ahh, to dream…
I’d prefer Bauer.
Boras is holding up these players and their revenue, but more importantly, he’s holding up the MLBTR free agent contest.
The Nola deal is my prediction
Snell is the prototypical Cashman move so I’m surprised this hasn’t gotten done yet. I guess Hal said no when he needed more money to get it done. Can’t wait for Rodon 2.0…..
Yankees are going for the all free agents starting pitching staff. What an embarrassment to root for
LS
Oh my gosh
How embarrassing
Is this a case of the Yankees having the leakiest media in the business or Boris being Boris?
Way too much money for a 5 inning guy.
It’s possible that 6/150 may be the best offer he will receive.
I believe 6/150M is more than Zack Wheeler got and Snell is not as good as Wheeler, despite Snell’s awards and accolades. The main difference is consistency. Wheeler has excellent yrs back to back to back and the only thing you know for sure that you’ll get from Snell year to year is a tremendous and alarming number of walks.
Snell is the most overrated pitcher in MLB. Even 6/150 is a stretch given that he lasts only 5 innings and his peripherals show a regression is most likely.
The sluggish-again free agent market is playing into Scott Boras’ hands. How long do you think it’ll be until he files a claim of “collision” against MLB alleging that the owners have banded together to refuse his price for his stable of available players?
I’m surprised Tony Clark hasn’t tried that already…and it is “collusion.”
“And it is collusion”…The burden of proof on “collusion” is a lot higher in court than it is here on MLB Trade Rumors.
I was saying the term was collusion instead of collision.
We all know the Bally’s fiasco is why there is not much going on.
“I was saying”…Gotcha. It sounds different when you read it fast. I clearly misunderstood your point.
3 year deal $120 million, $117 million deferred. $3 million annually between 2027-2066
These absurd deferences will be highly detrimental to baseball in 10 years.
deferring the detriment 10 years will be detrimental a lot sooner than that Yogi
Steve Phillips like that one!
Snell has a elite strikeout rate which is the most important thing in a starting pitcher because the defense doesn’t effect the outcome. Snell also is elite with his home run rate, which is another big factor. Where he falls short is his walk rate which needs to be lower, about 3 or 4 walks per 9. He also falls short in innings pitched, which is a trend in today’s starters.Monte is not elite in strikeout rate or home run rate, but his walk rate is lower and he innings pitched is a little higher. Snell is a #2 with elite upside to me, and Monte is a #3 with upside!
As a Redsox fan …. Please sign snell
all I keep hearing is Snell’s durability…and how he has only pitched more than 129 IP 2x in his career (last yr being one of them obviously)……..but here is my question, with that bullpen and NOW that offense, he does NOT have to go past 6IP…….I would take a guess and say thru those 5 or 6 IP he manages in his starts, the Yankees WILL have the lead….. So he walks guys, but he simply does not give up hits!!! I am not putting together a contract offer here, but he is what the Yankees need right now……to make their way thru the post season…
But my follow up to this is Jordan Montgomery…..5/$20m PER YR…if Snell is not made an offer… The guy will just solidify a potentially great staff…..WE NEED STARTING PITCHING !!!!!
It makes some good points. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a pitcher like Monty. If only he had not been traded away for a rental that was in the long run, not very good, but he wasn’t a quality pitcher and would’ve never pitched in the postseason reportedly.
Snell in New York wreaks of being Sonny Gray 2.0
i’m a yankee fan so i hope he reeks havoc in nyc
now that cashman has admitted soto is a one-year rental they need to sign snell. if you’re pushing all your chips in for one year you can’t just hope that rodon and cortes will magically return to top form
Boras always takes his players to free agency!
Dasit, that’s been my view. They claim to be all in ,yet they don’t behave that way. But it’s the same thing every year. The Soto deal was more about money and marketing, than it was about getting a championship, that’s the bottom line. That’s the Yankees MO for quite a while.
Because if the, “all in” approach was valid, they wouldn’t be relying on a hope, and a prayer, that multiple players and pitches return to form. as you rightly pointed out.imo.
Thanks for discussing the 110% tax implications in todays story. On a contract with just a $20M AAV, Snell would cost the Yanks $42M this year, correct? Does anyone think Snell is worth $42M? Does anyone think Snell would sign a contract with just a $20M AAV?
If it helps them get into the playoffs, sure. And then there are the marginal wins potential in the playoffs. For a team like the Rockies or Giants, probably not bc they’re several pieces away from competing.
YBC, sounds like you think Snell is worth $42M ($20M AAV + 110% tax) if he gets the Yanks to the playoffs and gets a couple of playoff wins. Now the question becomes, do you think Snell would sign a contract with a $20M AAV? What AAV do you think it will take for the Yanks to sign Snell?
Snell not signing with Yankees. Its the Boras camp sending fake news to get teams to up the ante as nobody wants Snell even on a 6/150 deal.
Snell’s two Cy Young’s and career numbers point to him being a better-than average arm. The jury is still out if his career numbers extrapolate into election to the HoF.
If I am a GM, I’m concerned about how to navigate Snell’s injury history and durability over the length of a contract. He will get you the innings and wins — when healthy.
A reasonable offer might run in the range of $125m/four years, with annual opt-outs after year two. Or extend a year and convert years two and three to mutual options. This would effectively reduce the risk to the team and incentivize Snell for pitching a full season. The offer could conceivably be backloaded, but Scott Boros generally doesn’t even sniff at backloading for anything short of a six-year deal for his clients.
Agreed, Snell is getting 30 per year on a short term deal, teams could give him a bonus and back load the deal!
Any team offering a pitcher more than a three year deal is foolish anyhow.
Snell is not getting 30 million per anyway with his walks and history, especially with the economic uncertainty of the majority of teams.
Was that offer 20 million expiring in 20 minutes?
Snell is worth the contract the Yankees are offering. The guy has one really good year, and suddenly he thinks he’s worth 30 mil a year. Not at all. Too many walks.
BUT not TOO MANY HITS SFGIANT….
Well, two really good years
Boras has overplayed his hand again for the purpose of trying to make himself look good and not in the best interests of his clients. He usually gets the most $$ out of a deal whenever possible, but the ones that don’t have definitely gotten the short end of the stick when all in on believing in Boras! Clients beware when having blind faith in Boras Corporations!
Snell would rather get that last almighty dollar, instead of showing up to camp with the other pitchers, and actually help his team. Now he’ll report late, get injured, and be on the DL for half the season. But hey, he’ll get paid!
Major League baseball and the owners have made their bed.
Or do what Dallas Keuchel and Craig Kimbrel did in 2019, not sign until after the draft.
Snell ya later
Why not both?
Why not sign Snell AND Montgomery BOTH? Add them to what they already have.
What a joke the MLB salary situation is.
Yeeeeeah perfectly even playing field.
I think any team that can spend 200 mil or more on payroll should get first dibs on players to sign. Once that happens, then the rest of the league gets their chance.
Good. Someone alert Snell he will need to sign a deal.
Please take the offer, that rotation would be awesome. Take it, take it, take it.
No way! And no, I would not sign Monty unless he takes considerably less. Monty at $20 mil is about as high as I would go.
If his career consisted of his last three years repeated a total of six times he’d go to the Hall of Fame, and you want to pay him like he’s Taijuan Walker?
Yes, because putting things that aren’t relevant doesn’t make for a good argument. He hasn’t pitched his whole career like this, and is a bullpen killer.
BTW, teams are obviously not biting, which affirms he is asking for too much.. Borass is doing his usual act of desperation and praying for an injury to occur during spring training so a team gets desperate..
Not holding my breath as Feinsand’s tweet also mentioned the Angels as possibilities unless they offered 75/1.
He’s not picking that disaster of a team over the Yankees. If Ohtani couldn’t help them reach the playoffs, Snell won’t be any better. They’re a horribly run club.
Pin, you go on and keep your terrible narrative that players won’t sign with the Angels, or any team. Money talks, and the only other things that matter is if they don’t want to live in that particular city. But yeah, it would suck living on the beach in the OC.
You’re right, money does talk, and Arte Moreno has shown that he won’t give what it takes to sign either Montgomery or Snell. Not only is he incompetent but he also won’t pay for significant additions. Don’t count on seeing either one in Angel red. My take is not terrible
Adding Snell to Rodon is a bad idea, but Cashman doesn’t seem to grasp the value of pitching.
Once you err with Rodon, if you can afford Snell then Montgomery’s a vastly better bet. You need comparative certainty, not the fair chance that in a given season you’ll be setting $55-60m on fire.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Blake’s priced himself out of the market.
What the snell, sign him. He is coming off a cy young. I think he will use the Yankees to stay out west. Giants seem like a perfect fit for him.
for what? they have 12 starting pitchers under age 25.
Looks like it is down to the Yanks, Angels, and Giants for Snell, he could sign soon.
I don’t see Snell taking a short-term deal with any team. No reason to. Camps are now open. ‘Tis the season of pitchers breaking. He’ll find a home on a long-term deal. Not convinced he’s getting the $200 million+ he seeks, but he’ll do fine.
Rob, I also think the same. He’ll end up somewhere in the middle of the 200m he’s looking for, and the supposed 150m he was offered.
Mariners
Remember if the Yankees can’t score runs again they will lose Snell’s games 1-0 or 7-0 lol or 6-1 or whatever 3-1. 2023 was embarrassing for NYY. Let’s see if they can get hits. Get on base. Score runs.
Check Fangraphs- they have the Yanks as the best team in the AL right now. Adding Soto, Dugie, and Grissom will help along with better years by DJ and Rizzo. I think they win the EAST
That’s right. and perhaps most importantly, a healthy judge.
Best in AL? I dunno about that. Playoffs and a WC sure. I would think most have the up start O’s as still the favorite. We’ll see, baseball is as fickle as RP’s. History says, They’ll be at least 4 new teams in the playoffs.
Best in the AL, that’s yet to be proven. Too much would have to go right in order for that to occur. That’s a lot to hope for.
When Red Sox brass said they were going “full throttle” this offseason I think they were talking about the Yankees.
-a jealous Boston fan
i feel for you. fenway sports group is a vampire squid
LFG YANKEES, FULL THROTTLE, 3 PEAT COMING
Now that bradish likely is out for the season or at least a big chunk of it (that injury usually means TJ) the division is quite open again, so investing in another top starter would be a smart move for the Yankees.
Of course you don’t want to commit too long for snell but if it is like a 4 year deal it wouldn’t be too bad albeit there still is risk.
4 years lol, yeah if you pay him a higher avv probably at $35m. Which doesn’t fit the Yankees, simply because where there at with the payroll and tax.
Cmon Yankees. Sign the next chris sale
sign a guy who carries us to a title? i’d take that
It doesn’t make sense that the yanks would be in on Snell knowing whatever annual average amount they give him will double? If they give him 7 years at 25 million the luxury tax hit will be an additional 27 million. I think in order to sign him they will need to unload one or two contracts. Torres, Stanton, DJ, Rizzo are the only contracts I can see them potentially trying to move but in the case of Stanton and DJ I don’t see any team taking those contracts unless prospects and maybe current roster players such as Nestor were attached. Miami needs a DH and if Stanton shows he’s healthy perhaps a reunion where Stanton along with money and Peraza are dealt for a few lower level minor prospects?
Question
At what point do teams start worrying about these guys getting in pitching condition. It feels like they are already a week behind.
Boras runs his own camp.
I’m not the only one to say something similar to this but the NYY seem to want to be “All in this year” long term consequences be damned. Cashman feels extra pressure (Hal still has to sign off on it) Comment from WiffleBall above sounds plausible. Also I believe NYY thinks they may be able to trade Stanton in the next year or 2 (but will have to include significant $.
I thought I read Snell was a friend of Judge and he was trying to recruit him (If you can believe previous rumors Snell prefers West Coast. he was born in Seattle) Probability NYY can Re-sign Soto is a big unknown.
The Martians potential is a big boost for next 5+ years window at least.
After NYY gave a big commitment to Captain Judge I think they feel its way past time getting more aggressive. He is kind of a Non silent partner. LAD weren’t shy.
There are No guarantees, the best team on paper often doesn’t win.
We will see what unfolds
Poor guy, an offer of 5 years $150 Million, what an insult. Smfh
Just GREED
The trouble is, Scott Boras is asking for $200 million plus for guys who look like they’re worth maybe $100 million. With all the terrible contracts out there weighing down teams’ payrolls, nobody wants to throw 5 and 6 year deals at players who are either old, inconsistent, declining, or all three. Look at their baseball cards. Boras is playing for scarcity, but the price tags are so high that it all but a few teams are out of it, and teams like the Red Sox and Giants who can afford it take a long look and think “we don’t really have a title contender here, and these guys don’t move the needle enough to make us one..” Smart teams spend really big money for one of two reasons: either to get a truly transforming All Star player in his prime, or to fill a hole that puts them into serious contention. Maybe the Yankees could argue that Snell puts them into contention, but nobody else who can afford the 4 players can make that argument.
There is no offer to Snell from the Yankees.
It was a BS move from Boras to get an offer from the Angels and Giants.
I wouldnt give Snell 200 mil –
Snell is going to the Angels
Snell’s track record isn’t worth the kind of contract he was looking for. How often do Boras free agents perform well after a big contract