Yankees fans received an update regarding the status of superstar outfielder Juan Soto today after he underwent imaging on his forearm yesterday. Manager Aaron Boone spoke to reporters (including MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch and Brendan Kuty of The Athletic) this afternoon prior to the club’s scheduled game against the Dodgers about the young star’s status and noted that while a trip to the injured list “remains a possibility” for Soto, the club doesn’t currently anticipate one being necessary. Even so, Boone added that it could be at least “a couple” of days before Soto returns to the lineup as the club continues to be cautious about the injury.
That Soto is expected to avoid an IL stint is surely a relief for the Yankees, as their biggest offseason acquisition has carried the club offensively alongside Aaron Judge to this point in the season. Even by his own lofty standards, the young star has gotten off to an excellent start this year with a .318/.424/.603 slash line in 290 trips to the plate since the Yankees acquired him from the Padres in a blockbuster deal that sent a multi-player packaged headlined by righty Michael King to San Diego. A significant absence by Soto would be particularly devastating for the Yankees seeing as the 25-year-old has helped to pick up the club’s offense amid struggles from key regulars like Anthony Rizzo and Gleyber Torres.
With Soto temporarily out of action, Trent Grisham figures to receive regular starts in the outfield, taking on the center field job and kicking Judge back to his previous role as the club’s everyday right fielder. If Soto were to ultimately require a trip to the shelf, it’s possible the Yankees could turn to youngster Everson Pereira to fill out their outfield mix. The well-regarded prospect struggled in his first taste of big league action last year but has slashed a solid .265/.346/.512 at the Triple-A level this season.
More to come…
- Orioles right-hander Dean Kremer is making progress in his rehab from a triceps strain that sent him to the injured list late last month, as manager Brandon Hyde told reporters (including Jacob Calvin Meyer of the Baltimore Sun) earlier this afternoon. As Meyer notes, Hyde indicated that Kremer is set to throw a bullpen within the next few days, with Hyde adding that “everything is trending in the right direction” regarding his recovery. While Hyde did not place a timeline on the right-hander beginning a rehab assignment to the minor leagues, a speedy return by Kremer would surely be a huge relief to an Orioles club that will be without both Tyler Wells and John Means for the remainder of the 2024 campaign. As things stand, the club is relying on Albert Suarez, Cole Irvin, and Cade Povich to fill out the rotation behind Corbin Burnes, Kyle Bradish, and Grayson Rodriguez.
- Blue Jays top pitching prospect Ricky Tiedemann was thought to be on the cusp of his big league debut entering the 2024 campaign, but those plans were scuttled when he was sidelined just eight innings into his season by inflammation of the ulnar nerve in his elbow. While it’s certainly fortunate that the lefty avoided any structural damage, the injury has nonetheless left him sidelined for the majority of the season. Fortunately, Sportsnet’s Shi Davidi relayed earlier today that, according to Toronto manager John Schneider, Tiedemann threw a live bullpen yesterday where “everything went well.” Schneider went on to note that the next step for Tiedemann could be a rehab game either with Single-A Dunedin or perhaps with the club’s Florida Complex League team.
if Soto was to miss time I think they would call up Jasson, not Everson but idk
Let’s hope the contract is better than his personality!
How much will soto get in offseason
500 mil? 600?
My question is who ends up signing him?
Probably around those numbers, but he’s not worth it, honestly. He should get as much as Judge.
That said, both Judge and Soto are worth more than Ohtani as things are.
Soto has basically the same batting stats as judge but he’s so much younger
13 years 500 million
Clipper: sure.
Dave, do you disagree? If so, I’m willing to listen. But I can lay this out plainly:
As things are, Ohtani is a DH-only player with roughly the same batting line as Soto and he’s much older. Judge is well beyond them both offensively this year, while also playing all three OF positions very well.
Judge is eclipsing Ohtani’s batting stats this year and it’s not even close when compared to the league. Over their history, Judge is still a better hitter overall, with Ohtani only having a better SB record – For a guy who has only been a DH for the past few seasons, mind you.
Granted, IF Ohtani returns to pitching and IF he is as effective as he once was, it will be very close, as it was in the past; but as of right now there is no comparison because Ohtani only plays offense and Judge is far superior offensively.
YC
Age matters.
You are going to get more years out of a 26 year old Soto than a 29 year old Ohtani or Judge.
So,,you’ll pay more even if the output per year is the same.
CBeisbol: I agree, which is why I think he’s deserving of Judge-level money. He’s not as good as Judge (at least not yet) but he’s much younger.
To clarify, I’m certain he will get more than Judge did in FA.
Judge is an all time great. A Yankee legend in the making if not already there.
Yanks won’t pay Soto more than Judge.
A Buck less maybe.
Paying Soto the exact same amount per year as Judge that ends at the exact same age as Judge would be $560M. It likely would be less than that. The Yankees certainly shouldn’t be limited by the total amount of Judge’s contract, since Soto will be 5 years younger.
Judge =Lurch!
The Dodgers signed Ohtani and Yamamoto in order capture the Japanese (and to a lesser extent the Korean) markets. They aren’t paying Shohei Ohtani for his baseball skills, although that is part of the package, they signed him mostly to open the Japanese market to the Dodgers for merchandising. The Tokyo market being one of the largest markets in the world for sports merchandising.
If players were paid solely for their performance, then Juan Soto should expect a $500 Million contract this offseason. However, no team is interested in signing Juan Soto to dominate the Dominican Republic market for merchandizing.
Of course, Juan Soto is still going to get a nice payday. I suspect something like $335,000,000 over 10 years.
You are telling me Carlos Correa would have had a better deal than Soto
Soto is a lock for 400 the question is if he can reach 500
tnmf
“Soto is a lock for 400 the question is if he can reach 500”
That is A questi9n. Not sure if it’s THE question.
Present value is more telling than overall value of a contract.
You could underpay, say, Alex Yerdugo on a one billion contract if you deferred the payments enough
Bob: I understand why the LAD paid him so much, and I agree with you that a potential to capture the Japanese market is the reason – but, that’s not an objective evaluation of worth because it’s based on what the Dodgers hope he will do for them. There’s no way to evaluate its impact in the foreseeable future, particularly for fans.
I will add that Judge has had the highest selling number of jerseys, which is a measurable factor teams can evaluate, and also another factor supporting Judge being paid more than Ohtani.
My point was that at this point in history, Judge is better by visible, measurable stats that we can clearly evaluate. And based on what we can evaluate, he’s worth more (generally speaking, but obviously not to the Dodgers) than Ohtani. People may not like it, but it’s factual.
You really don’t get how the aging curve works and that’s cute but please just stop typing the same thing over and over again. We can’t talk about who is better at age 31 for five more years, and we cannot discuss who the better player is at their peak until it’s all said and done.
One of the only things we can say for certain is that, at age 26, Juan Soto is way better major league player than Aaron Judge was at age 26.
Hagatha: Soooo, your opinion is that no fan can say any player is better than another until they retire? That makes no sense….at all. That’s why we have statistics to look at and discuss such things, which literally every MLB fan does (except you, apparently). Also, Judge is better “at their peak,” hence the statement and statistical support.
Also, explain how the aging curve works if I “don’t get it.” Please also explain how you can definitively predict the aging curve’s impact on player performance consistently. Oh that’s right…you can’t.
You’re cherry picking age 25, but I’ll play anyway. At age 25, the current year,Soto’s OPS+ is currently better than Judge’s was at age 25. But, back to the big picture, the best year between both of them was Soto at age 21.
YC
“Soooo, your opinion is that no fan can say any player is better than another until they retire? ”
Please re-read their comment. They didn’t say that. At all.
“That makes no sense….at all. ”
Right. Because they didn’t say that.
Judge is almost certainly the better player right now. Certainly a better runner and defender. Hitting is pretty even.
Soto, being younger, and reaching free agency younger, is likely to produce more from this point forward, to produce more after free agency and to have the more productive overall career.
Beisbol: He said this: “we cannot discuss who the better player is at their peak until it’s all said and done.”
Until it’s all said and done? Who is the arbiter of that time frame? And the only way we know it’s said and done is when it’s actually done, or when they retire.
He’s also stating that we cannot talk about who is better at age 31, which I never said or implied. I specifically said (twice) “at this point in history” which clearly implies I’m comparing their current value with their current (and past) performance.
I never said any of them will end up the better player “when it’s all said and done.” I even added caveats for the future. This is obviously someone taking my statements out of context to argue his point.
Regardless, I’m comparing now to now, which I’ve said several times, because they’re paying them now, not when it’s all said and done.
YC
“He said this: “we cannot discuss who the better player is at their peak until it’s all said and done.”
And you said this
“Soooo, your opinion is that no fan can say any player is better than another until they retire? ”
Do you see comprehend how those two things are not the same?
They said one thing. You said ‘so you mean [something else]
Okay, Beisbol, So what does all said and done mean? And my response was a {question}, with a question mark, not a statement, as you so quoted. So how is asking a question about what he meant, and expounding on my position, getting rebuttals from you then asking, “do you see how they’re not the same?”
Well, not without a clarification or response from him I don’t. That literally the point of asking him.
If you’re so confident in what he was stating, please answer my questions to him then.
YC
You’re focusing on the wrong part
They said “we cannot discuss who the better player is **at their peak** until it’s all said and done.”
**Emphasis mine
You said “Soooo, your opinion is that no fan can say any player is better than another until they retire? ”
Do you see how those two things are different?
I simply asked two questions neither of you can answer, which were:
1) Who determines when their peaks are all said and done/how does that person know when said peak has definitively ended? Obviously that will be at or near their retirement… And,
2) I wasn’t referring to their future playing, I am comparing their play now and in their MLB tenure up to this point, so the “when their peak is done” arbitrary time frame is irrelevant to my original and follow-up statement.
It’s arguing for the sake of arguing and changing the conversation for the purpose of making an irrelevant point – why? Because he has no factual information to contradict what I said, but he doesn’t like it.
YC
“Who determines when their peaks are all said and done/how does that person know when said peak has definitively ended? Obviously that will be at or near their retirement”
Correct
None of that changes the fact that what they said was factually correct and clearly stated, and you misunderstood it either purposefully or not.
Gass – I’m not cherry picking. I’m rebutting Crusty’s point. Year isn’t over, so can’t really compare yet, anyways.
Okay, so it’s *not* him misunderstanding me, despite the fact it was him responding to my comment, which is factually correct. Rather it is *my* fault for “purposefully or not” misunderstanding him when I simply asked a question about his response?
Are you serious right now? Beisbol, you’ve lost the backup argument to his irrelevant argument. I explained my positions in great detail to you and him. He never responded (because he’s wrong and knows it) and you, for whatever reason, are trying to take the mantle for him.
I have neither the time nor inclination to further explain why you’re so off base other than *you* intentionally interpreting his comments one way, while acting as if I’m the one who called him out incorrectly.
And neither of you have argued any relevant facts to counter any of my statements. You’re both arguing semantics, which people who have no facts often do.
I’m moving on, you should too. Your argument fell flat on its face. Nice try though, slick.
YC.
What on earth are you talking about? Why so… combative? I could not care less about whose “fault” it is? What?
They said a thing. You misunderstood it – intentionally or unintentionally.
My only “argument” was that you misunderstood. You did. That did not fall on it’s face. It was 100% correct.
I didn’t. You have no idea what he meant and I simply asked – that’s not misunderstanding, that’s seeking clarification. Your assessment is plain wrong. The order and context of the conversation dictates that it is HE that misunderstood me and wrote a response out of context. Nobody made you the arbiter of comment threads.
It’s literally in writing above. For some reason, you’re choosing to die on this hill, but whatever.
My original point stands and has been completely uncontested by any facts: [Judge is currently better than Ohtani (and every other player) and ALL the numbers back that up].Shift the conversation if you want to, but it’s factual. If you don’t agree, then stop whining and support your claim with facts!
YC
“I simply asked’
No, you didn’t.
Don’t insult my intelligence by expecting me to believe that this
“Soooo, your opinion is that no fan can say any player is better than another until they retire? That makes no sense….at all.”
was a question asked in good faith. It was not.
Yes, it was. And YOU admitted that it would be at or near retirement, speaking of insulting intelligence.
But here you are focused solely on semantics AGAIN. How about you address the core statements I made originally that were taken out of context by him? Like the one you just responded to perhaps?
How about you address the numerous explanations I wrote?
How about you address my follow up questions?
Ooooooh, that’s right. Because neither you nor the other poster can! Because you have zero facts to support your claims. It’s all semantics and hyperbole.
Your overtly aggressive defense of some random response that was wrong is concerning. Stop while you’re behind because it’s only downhill from there. You have no defense, no factual information relevant to my statements – only hyperbole, statements out of context, and twisting who responded to whom and why, despite admitting that my question was reasonable: “at or near retirement.”
Give it up. You’re eerily similar to another commenter on here. I’ll give you that you’re committed, but absolute commitment to going in the wrong direction is still the wrong direction.
YC
Beeeeeeeeee es
Lie to yourself. Don’t F’ing lie to me
“How about you address the core statements I made”
I don’t care about the core statements you made because I don’t care about that discussion.
The only part of this discussion that I’m interested in is your intellectual dishonesty. You either purposefully, or accidentally, misrepresented what was Said.
I think you misunderstood, either because that happens sometimes, or because you lack the intellectual capability to understand.
A question starting with “Soooo” and ending with “That makes no sense….at all.” is not a question made m good faith
You agreed with the question. You are intellectually dishonest. Look back at your own statements. I’m convinced you are the other poster on here that is very well known and very much disliked.
You have no interest in the actual baseball discussion or intellectual honesty; but you do have interest in a question I asked? What an ignoramus you are. You say I’m intellectually dishonest, but then say I may have mistakenly misunderstood him, while also saying you agree with what you classify as my “misunderstanding.”
Do you see how contradictory you are? How completely ridiculous your statements are? You’re the self-appointed judge of who intended to say what on a baseball website, but have “no interest” in actually talking baseball? You’re weird and you clearly have issues. You’ve invested all this time to address…..nothing.
You’re a troll. You’re a bad troll and, no matter the name you choose for your additional accounts, you always reveal yourself. T-R-O-L-L, that’s your name, no matter what fake account name you reinvent.
YC
You’re the most boring type of person. Only wants to argue and “win” arguments. Often resorting to misrepresenting arguments to do so.
Adiod
Soto turned down $440M from Washington and has only enhanced his leverage since then; he has a good chance at $500M+ and I’d bet that Boras builds in a player option so he could test free agency again in 5 years.
Your $335M estimate is idiotic at best.
$700M is what it will cost
The Martian would be summoned to earth if Soto needs IL time.
Victor Robles still has a much higher ceiling and potential than Juan So-so.
Well that’s an interesting take.
Interesting? I don’t think so, moreso foolish, and that’s being quite generous. Moronic is more appropriate.
My comment was your comment, just with with intentional ambiguity.
Package headlined by 29-year old journeyman, Michael King.
Pereira is on the IL in Scranton right now, so it’s not likely going to be him even if he comes back. He’s been out a while.
Have to root for Kremer. The only piece left from the unmitigated disaster of dumpster diving Dan Duquette’s deadline deals in 2018!
Dumpster diving Dan duquette
D. D. D. D.
Yup, that’s how he’s referred to on the MASN Roch blog.
“the young star has gotten off to an excellent start this year with a .318/.424/.603 slash line”
Imagine not adding the following: 191 wRC+
After 3 innings, Fat Nestor has gotten 5 called strikes, only 2 of which were strikes, the other 3 were completely out of the strike zone.
But it’s not rigged.
Bullcrap.
whyhayzee;
MLB long ago lost its integrity. It’s now all about entertainment and bringing in the bucks. Most fans never played the game physically or understand it. They played it on computers and have never-ending arguments in which they cherry pick a handful of stats that buttresses their position. People don’t sit and watch the games, that’s too boring. They primarily watch the highlights. Everything is a tie-in with sponsors, and the large market teams with the most potential eyeballs and wallets/purses are given priority.
Same can be said for the NFL and NBA – probably the NHL as well, but I don’t follow that much.
The comical thing is this….
In today’s MLB team success has little to do with skill, planning, coaching, player moves, etc. – it’s determined by how few injuries the top teams have to their better players.
And the questions that needs to be asked are:
1.) Why do you even have an interest in sports if they have no integrity?
2.) Why are you commenting on an sports post, when they have no integrity?
I’d be willing to bet that over the course of the season, half of Nestor’s strike calls are out of the strike zone. It’s not a hard statistic to keep. But the real effect is that it causes batters to swing at numerous pitches out of the strike zone. Anything close has to be considered a potential called strike. Heck, I would have been a seriously good pitcher with that kind of help.
I love sports, played every type of sport I could growing up, watched everything I could as well. Now as soon as there’s a blown call I lose my interest in watching. To me, the bad officiating is what has driven me away. But a big part of that bad officiating is the players taking things as far as possible, essentially cheating the game. Yes, I’m a bit of a purist, but sports have been ruined by cheating and gambling.
Now, it’s been reduced to entertainment and fans pounding their chests when their team wins. Just childish and annoying, really.
Oh well, on with the day.
Whyhayzee
“Now, it’s been reduced to entertainment”
What was it before when it was elevated?
Fat little Nestor, proof that you don’t have to be an athlete to play baseball!
cooper,
Some athletes can perform with more fat than others.
How’s your physique and major league career?
So typical of the Yankees, play a man short saying someone needs “a couple of days” then ends up doing IL, retro and the person is out much more than the 10 days. Makes no sense to not have Jasson Dominguez playing CF this weekend, with Verdugo in left and Judge in right. Playing Grishom as anything more than a defensive replacement is so typical of the organization. They also HAVE to pull the plug on Gleyber Torres. He is in a walk year, continues to make bone head errors and they have Caleb Durbin in AAA who is everything they need. Just make a couple of easy moves Yankees
Caleb Durbin might MIGHT get a September call up. I think they project Torres to be better and end up as having a slightly above average batting and slightly below average fielding line. I think as far as stacking depth, it makes sense to keep Torres, he should do better as he regresses to the mean. Otherwise maybe he’s exchanged at the deadline but I imagine Torres is plugged in and then is sent on his way in November.