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Kyle Bradish Undergoes Tommy John Surgery

By Darragh McDonald | June 19, 2024 at 11:59pm CDT

Orioles general manager Mike Elias informed reporters that right-hander Kyle Bradish underwent Tommy John surgery with an internal brace today. He’ll be out for the rest of this year and part of 2025 as well. Danielle Allentuck of the Baltimore Banner was among those to relay the news on X. Additionally, left-hander Danny Coulombe had bone chips removed from his elbow, per Allentuck on X. The southpaw could return this year but is likely out until September.

The Bradish news is a brutal blow for the club’s rotation. He had a tremendous breakout season with the O’s last year, making 30 starts with a 2.83 earned run average. He struck out 25% of batters faced, limited walks to a 6.6% rate and got grounders at a 49.2% clip.

Things got scary here in 2024, as Bradish was diagnosed with a sprain of his UCL in mid-February. The club initially tried non-surgical interventions and seemed to have some success. Bradish was given a platelet-rich plasma injection and was showing “accelerated healing” by early March, per Bradish himself.

Things seemed to accelerate fairly normally from there. Bradish was able to start a rehab assignment by the second week of April and was reinstated from the injured list in early May. He made eight starts for the big league club with a 2.75 ERA. But he landed back on the injured list last week, again due to a sprain of his UCL, with surgery apparently unavoidable this time around.

In hindsight, it would be easy to dismiss the past four months as simply delaying the inevitable, but pitchers have suffered UCL injuries and avoided surgery before. Masahiro Tanaka was diagnosed with a partially torn UCL in 2014, for instance, but never got it repaired and went on to pitch between 150 and 200 innings in each of the five following seasons. Seth Lugo was also found to have a slight tear in 2017 but didn’t go under the knife. More recently, Triston McKenzie was diagnosed with a UCL sprain last summer but has made 14 starts for the Guardians this year.

Given the 14 to 18 months of recovery that are generally needed after Tommy John surgery, pitchers and teams usually prefer to exhaust non-surgical options before surrendering to the surgeon’s table. The O’s and Bradish believed they had a path open to them and tried to take it, but unfortunately couldn’t make it work in this instance.

This is now the third starting pitcher that the Orioles have lost to season-ending UCL surgery this year, as both Tyler Wells and John Means went down this road before Bradish. Despite those losses, the rotation has been a strength overall. Baltimore starter’s have a combined ERA of 3.03 this year, which trails only the Yankees and Phillies. But maintaining such a position without those three will be a challenge.

As of now, the O’s are left with Corbin Burnes, Grayson Rodriguez, Cole Irvin, Cade Povich and Albert Suárez in the rotation, but it seems fair to expect the O’s to pursue additions prior to the July 30 deadline. Povich has just two major league starts under his belt so far. Irvin has a 3.03 ERA on the year but is only striking out 17.9% of batters faced. His 4.16 SIERA this year and his career ERA of 4.24 perhaps suggest some regression is coming. Suárez has a 2.05 ERA but is a 34-year-old journeyman with a 19.7% strikeout rate and 81.9% strand rate.

Dean Kremer should be rejoining that group shortly, as he is on the injured list but currently on a rehab assignment. However, he’s more of a solid back-end guy, with an ERA of 4.35 in his career and a mark of 4.32 this year. In terms of depth options, Levi Stoudt was just claimed off waivers but has a 6.92 ERA in Triple-A this year. Bruce Zimmermann is on the 40-man but hasn’t pitched since mid-May. Jonathan Heasley is also on the roster but has been working as a swingman in the minors.

Last week, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported that the club would be waiting until closer to the deadline to decide on their starting pitching approach. With Bradish now out for the year, that will presumably increase their desire to pursue starting pitching in the months to come. In the meantime, Bradish will be transferred to the 60-day injured list whenever the O’s need his roster spot. He’ll spent the rest of the year on the shelf and will qualify for arbitration this offseason as a Super Two player.

The news on Coulombe isn’t as bad but is still significant. The lefty has a career ERA of 3.57 and that mark is just 2.68 since joining the O’s prior to the 2023 season. He has thrown 77 1/3 innings since coming to Baltimore, striking out 28.5% of batters faced while limiting walks to a 5% clip.

He landed on the IL a week ago due to left elbow inflammation and it now seems he’s going to miss several months, leaving the Orioles with Cionel Pérez, Keegan Akin and Nick Vespi as southpaws in their bullpen.

Like Bradish, Coulombe will be a candidate to be moved to the 60-day IL whenever the O’s need a roster spot for someone else. The two sides avoided an arbitration hearing by agreeing to a one-year deal with a club option in January. That option has a $4MM base salary and escalators that start at 50 appearances. He’s made 29 appearances so far this year but won’t be able to get that number up to 50 if he’s out until September. He will cross six years of service by the end of the season and be a free agent if the O’s decline that option.

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  1. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    PSA: don’t delay the inevitable

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    • yankees500

      1 year ago

      I’m sure its a harder decision for the player/team. We’re talking the difference between millions of dollars sometimes. It always looks bad in hindsight but there have been a number of pitchers that have successfully able to rehab a sprain or partial tear.

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      • brodie-bruce

        1 year ago

        @yankee500

        Plus going “under the knife” is never good even if it’s something mundane or routine, there is always a chance something goes south and your worse off. Also every time you get surgery your body gets a little weaker overall each time.

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        • Nosferatu Zodd

          1 year ago

          That Korean kid from James Madison died last year from TMJ complications.

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      • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

        1 year ago

        New federal decree issued by the Gov’t, all new born male babies are required to have TJ surgery.
        Absurd, yes, but it will save us all a lot of wasted time…

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    • Longinus

      1 year ago

      1) The article shares clear examples of how this was not inevitable.
      2) Bradish’s timeline for recovery to full performance ends up little changed. Had he gone under the knife right away, he would have missed all of 2024, most of 2025, and then maybe eased back in as a RP or some such later in 2025, with a very real chance that he wouldn’t pitch that year too. Now? He misses the rest of 2024 and all of 2025…but should be about as ready to hit the ground running in 2026 as he would have been in the alternative example.

      Given that he got a good set of starts under his belt and might have managed to avoid surgery entirely, seems like it was the right decision to me.

      My guess is that the overwhelming factor was timing; his understanding that going right to surgery or giving things a chance to get right before eventually going for surgery mid-season making little difference was likely the central factor.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        1 year ago

        And – Burnes is a rental. So, gotta put the chips on the table for 2024.

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  2. O'sSayCanYouSee

    1 year ago

    Please return as quickly and healthy as possible!!

    Major blow to the Orioles in 2024/2025.

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  3. Very Barry

    1 year ago

    All Dylan Cease cost was some kids. Garrett Crochet is available. Another stud. One thing the White Sox do well is develop pitching. We got dudes all over the league. Carlos Rodon, Dylan Cease, Reynaldo Lopez, Lucas Giolito, Garrett Crochet. Erik Fedde will be added to the list.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      1 year ago

      Stupid comment

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        1 year ago

        The Sox get good pitchers just to trade them

        Chris sale who?

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    • Windowpane

      1 year ago

      Funny. I’ve never seen any MLB front office, scouts, or writers use the terms “White Sox” and “pitching factory” in the same sentence. There’s a reason for that.

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      • Very Barry

        1 year ago

        Carlos Rodon, Dylan Cease, Chris Sale, Reynaldo Lopez, Lucas Giolito, Garrett Crochet ….. Pitching would not be a problem if we had the finances to keep our guys. …. You produce pitching talent like this. You can say you do it well.

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        • SkenesandSlopes

          1 year ago

          That’s considered a pitching factory? Low bar.. Would consider the Dodgers, Rays, Astros, Braves – if we are looking at the past 15 years since Sale is in the ChiSox mix. Even Cleveland has developed better.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          1 year ago

          Last 15 years you’d be hard pressed to find a better list. Astros weren’t anywhere close to a pitching factory 7 years ago. Rays weren’t either. That’s a more recent thing.

          That list doesn’t include
          Mark Buehrle
          Matt Thorton
          Nate Jones
          Jose Quintana
          Chris Bassitt
          Zach Putnam
          Tommy Knahle
          Aaron Bummer
          Even Marshall

          White Sox have definitely been able to produce pitching and turn some guys around get some decent years out of them from other organizations. I wouldn’t call them the best but top 10 yeah.

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        • CleaverGreene

          1 year ago

          The Mets mate.;

          Harvey
          deGrom
          Syndergaard
          Lugo
          Matz
          Familia
          Sewald

          The Yankees are even better.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          1 year ago

          Sewald had a 5.50 era as a met.

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        • its_happening

          1 year ago

          Good thing this isn’t 7 years ago because some of your names would be off the list.

          Rays had Snell, Cobb, Shields, Moore, Odorizzi, Glasnow, Rasmussen, Chirinos, Springs, Pagan, Colome, Alvarado, Diego Castillo, Kittredge, I’m sure there is more. Tampa, unlike the White Sox, play in a legitimate MLB division also.

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        • Windowpane

          1 year ago

          Cleveland is 16-9 against teams above .500. Several members of the Rays lineup are ex-Guardians, as is the manager.

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        • its_happening

          1 year ago

          Also Cleveland is 7-6 vs AL East. Central division a cool 36-51 combined vs the AL East.

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        • SkenesandSlopes

          1 year ago

          Roy Oswalt
          Wandy Rodriguez
          Dallas Kuechel
          Jordan Lyles
          Bud Norris
          Vince Velasquez
          Cionel Perez
          Framber Valdez
          Jose Urquidy
          Bryan Abreu
          Cristian Javier
          Luis Garcia
          Brandon Bielak
          Hunter Brown
          J.P. France
          Ronel Blanco

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    • RogerBeshensFootballSlider

      1 year ago

      Come on man, lol, You know they all throw the Roger Beshens Football Slider, Rog the Dodge even tells everyone how to throw it, On center, grip, throw like football, Stiff wrist.
      It’s a joke Ethan Katz is the pitching coach, it’s like who’s Johnson did he take up the kaboodle. Flaherty, Fried and Giolotio couldn’t even avg over a K an IP until 2018. That’s when Roger Beshens taught them his football slider. If Kaatz knew the aforementioned all 3 of them would have avg over a K an IP BEFORE 2018.

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  4. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    1 year ago

    Oh Great Googly Moogly…..Well, if the Orioles don’t consider Trevor Bauer now, (and don’t sign him) No one will ever sign Bauer

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      1 year ago

      No one will ever sign Bauer.

      Fixed it for you.

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        1 year ago

        Well it seems to be the wish of a lot of people

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          1 year ago

          Seven Times Seventy

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          The Bauer simps on here are nothing.

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          1 year ago

          I am a simple man

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      1 year ago

      I’d rather Elias get hit by a train and Adley become a triple amputee than put that cancer in the O’s clubhouse. Simple words… grow up

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      • MacGromit

        1 year ago

        @Sewald

        now you’ve given the Yankee fans even more things to wish for

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        1 year ago

        Well……

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      • letitbelowenstein

        1 year ago

        Sewald, Jonathan Papelbon, Dick Allen, Ty Cobb and Reggie Jackson were notorious clubhouse cancers and they were still allowed to compete. The Bauer thing is 100% political.

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          1 year ago

          And D!ck Allen or he should gave been

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          Nope, Bauer is a sexual predator. The worst kind of low. Not political at all. He’s just trash.

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        • CGG12

          1 year ago

          @Sewald

          “Bauer is a s3xual predator.”

          Proof, please?

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          1 year ago

          He would be in jail or have to report his name

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        • CleaverGreene

          1 year ago

          Political? politics has invaded every aspect of our lives now, including baseball?

          Mate, seek help you’ve been cultivized.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          1 year ago

          Bauer is actually the opposite of a sex predator

          Twice he’s been the victim in elaborate extortion schemes.

          I get it if teams are wary of his type a hole personality but legally speaking he’s been the victim twice.

          But at the same time why not give him a shot
          Cheap I’m talking vet min or a couple mill
          Short leash, can be released at any point
          Last shot at an mlb career
          All incentive is for Bauer to behave himself and if he can’t well that’s on him

          Texans did something similar with Stefon Diggs knowing his personality. Turned his deal into a 1 year deal. Produce and behave

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          Look it up

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          That’s a lie. He’s a predator

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        • dm867

          1 year ago

          Again….proof? He was extorted. There’s literally text messages from your “victim” stating to a friend she was going to do exactly what she tried to do.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          1 year ago

          Lie cause you say so? Facts say you’re wrong. Still haven’t provided proof he is. Probably slept with your girl or something.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          False. Four accusers. One is a liar. The rest are a pattern. Bauer targets unstable women and beats them unconscious. He’s scum.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          Dm, now do the other women, simp

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    • tuck 2

      1 year ago

      Os will never risk their culture and chemistry – I guarantee it’s not even discussed as an option

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  5. geotheo

    1 year ago

    For all the angst and despair the Orioles have 90 games left. With a 5 man rotation Bradish would have been available for 18 starts. Adjusting for days off and the All Star break maybe 20 starts. That leaves 70 games where he would have no impact whatsoever. Find a serviceable starter somewhere ( Severino with the Mets ) for a rental and you should be fine. Still have Burnes and Rodriguez with Kremer returning soon. No need to empty the farm for an Erick Feede. Not trading their prospect core ( Kjerstad Norby, Mayo, or LOL Holliday) for any of the available pitchers on the market. The Orioles have the 3rd best record in baseball with Bradish pitching 8 of the 72 games. They must have done something right the other 64

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    • Very Barry

      1 year ago

      And NOT getting past the 1st round of the playoffs. Must have 2 studs at the top of rotation, or playoffs will end quite quickly.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        1 year ago

        To be fair, O’s had two studs last year and still lost. It’s all about who gets hot, not who the better team is.

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        • getrealgone2

          1 year ago

          The O’s didn’t hit in the ALDS that was a big problem.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          I agree. If memory serves, game 1 was lost by lack of hitting. Game 2, pitching got creamed. Game 3, both failed.

          Lesson being, pitching isn’t the only thing that matters in the playoffs…

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    • Very Barry

      1 year ago

      Cade Povich gets Erick Fedde done. Fedde is cheap and signed through next year.

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      • geotheo

        1 year ago

        Did Chris Getz the White Sox GM tell you that? And is Fedde a top of the rotation pitcher? 2 years ago he was struggling with the Nationals. Goes to Korea and has 2 good months and you would trade your top pitching prospect to get him? Don’t think either team makes that trade. To me the bigger immediate concern is Columbe . A starter pitches every 5 days you need the bullpen every day. Him possibly being out until September will have a ripple effect on the bullpen. Tanner Scott could return

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        • hyraxwithaflamethrower

          1 year ago

          Povich is their #9 prospect per MLB.com. Only their top 4 are top 100 overall. I know every team’s fans overvalue their prospects, but you O’s fans are approaching Yankee-fan, “Sanchez for your cost-controlled superstar” level.

          I’m not saying Fedde is a superstar, but he might be an All-Star and Povich is just a decent prospect. Don’t act like he’s as valuable as Skenes.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          Lol Fedde is not an all star

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        • CGG12

          1 year ago

          As a Yankees fan, I don’t think the Orioles fans are approaching that

          Their farm system isn’t top loaded. Their 10th-20th org prospects are 1-7 in other organizations. Which is horrifying. For example, a package of their 13th, 21st, and 30th org prospects is far more valuable than a #4 and #11 for a lot of other teams.

          Maybe a little hyperbole here, but you get the point.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        1 year ago

        Also Fedde is high risk. His track record is more bad than good. Giving up the best arm on the farm for Fedde would be a completely stupid move.

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        • Very Barry

          1 year ago

          I would be willing to add Michael Kopech, who would be a terrific add to the bullpen, and can make spot starts,. Let’s get this done!

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      • tuck 2

        1 year ago

        Wait are you suggesting trading Povich for Fedde? I’m very happy you are not the GM

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    • RobM

      1 year ago

      They’re only a game out of first place by the loss column and are having a great season. Both the Yankees and the Orioles would be comfortably leading in most of the other divisions. Both have the best run differentials in the game. The Yankees survived without Cole to this point; the O’s will figure out the Bradish loss.

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      • danumd87 2

        1 year ago

        That’s surely an apples to airplanes comparison. The orioles are not just Bradish but Wells and Means too…all for the season! And Kremer is out. Not to mention the best closer in the game and now one of their best setup men in coulumbe. Cole missed 15 minutes. We’re in rough shape.

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    • cwsOverhaul

      1 year ago

      Yes-O’s are fine as far as a playoff spot b/c they are really good. That aside, losing a top starter impacts more than just the max 18 potential outings, as a lackluster replacement strains the BP.
      Sure Elias will find a less obvious overachiever option since he’s not one to panic or part with his upper tier position player prospects.

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      • RobM

        1 year ago

        Sure, but there is an argument they should part with good prospects, even the upper-tier ones, for the right return. A GM doesn’t have to panic while still making a good trade from strength. Keeping prospects is fine up to a point. Don’t want to be too hesitant since they are now firmly in a win-now window.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        1 year ago

        But, O’s only had Bradish back for a month. They also started the year without him. And survived that, too.

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  6. BaseballBrian

    1 year ago

    Why would they close the comments for the Grateful Dead gloves?

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    • RobM

      1 year ago

      I scrolled right by it. My guess is people were saying derogatory things in a sponsored thread.

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  7. Johnny utah

    1 year ago

    i’ve watched baseball for decades
    i never saw so many pitchers go down with TJ or similar in 1 season

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    • CleaverGreene

      1 year ago

      The last 3 years.

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  8. RobM

    1 year ago

    Does the addition of the internal brace make it less likely an additional TJS will be required in the future? The TJS+internal brace option seems to be becoming the norm, so there’s clearly some advantage to it.

    While in retrospect it’s clear he should have had the surgery in March, that wasn’t clear at the time. Is there data on what percentage of players opt for rest/rehab and never have TJS? Tanaka is always mentioned, but it feels like he’s the outlier.

    He’ll likely pitch in 2025, but later in the season, making him available for the postseason. Seems like 2026 is more likely for when he’ll be back at peak.

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    • RobM

      1 year ago

      I see Lugo and McKenzie also mentioned. Lugo certainly can be viewed as a success. Seems as if McKenzie returned with reduced stuff. Sometimes the doctors are the ones who suggest rest/rehab, other times it’s the players who are going against the doctor’s advice.

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  9. Rsox

    1 year ago

    See you in ’26

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  10. olmtiant

    1 year ago

    It pains me to say it but glad to see Cole back.. Never want teams to suffer with injuries… even the Yankees… But who is he facing today in pitching matchup??? ….. Garret ……….. ….YOU ARE ,,,,,,,,,THE YANKEES ACE

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  11. LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert

    1 year ago

    The usual Ellias blunder. Don’t worry, he’ll replace him with someone like Julio Tehran or Willy Peralta, that will surely propel the Orioles to a World Series!

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    • User 3594734386

      1 year ago

      Got him and 3 others back in that 2019 Dylan Bundy salary dump trade with the Angels. Elias won that one!

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      1 year ago

      Lol blunder… Elias didn’t blunder at all. He got several good starts out of Bradish the year he has Burnes. He made a win-now decision and it wasn’t a bad one. Blunder is every decision the Mets’ FO has made over the past five years… as was said earlier, when are you going to display the expertise you so often fail to call upon?

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        Imagine winning 101 games in a year making nothing but bad decisions. I guess you don’t realize the Mets record is better over that 5 year period than the Orioles but throw out random years to talk crap. I would be embarrassed to have an organization intentionally lose for years to stock pile players. It’s worse then doping and owners and gms that do it should be banned from the game.

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        • brodie-bruce

          1 year ago

          @mets6986

          Let’s not get ahead of ourselves the Mets got where they were the last 5 years because some players from the farm panned out and Steve’s wallet filled in the gaps. Now you have the current mess because your gms with an open checkbook did a bang up job. I will give you this now that you have sterns I can see the Mets being the lad of the east. Thanks to being a cards fan I got to see how good stren is with a shoestring budget. In about 3 years I see the Mets being a team that’s going to be contenders for a long time, sterns smarts with Steve’s wallet is pretty scary. Just stren has to clean up the mess left from the previous fo’s

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          LOL but the Orioles are built primarily on waiver claims and vets, so your analysis is flawed. Your team blows and it’s what, six times as expensive as the O’s? Alonso is a fat wannabe, Nimmo is a MAGAt, Marte is washed up, Alvarez is a bust, Lindor is a has been… they don’t say #lolmets for nothing. LOLMETS!!!! Clownest franchise in baseball, where even unlimited money couldn’t buy success. Pathetic.

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        • User 3594734386

          1 year ago

          Elias is a company man. He interviewed for the Os job in 2018. The de facto owner rep, John Angelos, laid out the plan. And Elias accepted the plan.

          What was/is the plan? Slash payroll and rebuild, baby. Tough to choke down as an Os fan at first but then something else about the plan became obvious. Looks like Angelos actually told Elias; slash payroll and rebuild and I promise you I will not meddle in your business. A man of his word. He let Elias do his job.

          My point. If he was working for Cohen, he’d accept his plan too and manage it successfully too. He’s a company man!

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        • dm867

          1 year ago

          I love it when idiots say they tanked intentionally. Even if they did, you still gotta draft well. There’s tons of teams out there with top 5 picks that didn’t on out. The Os have scouted and drafted well. I’d wager that their 2nd round picks have fared better than most teams first rounders the last few years.

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    • tuck 2

      1 year ago

      “Usual”? What have you been watching ?

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  12. gr81t2

    1 year ago

    Oh crap

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  13. geotheo

    1 year ago

    Interesting to look at what the Astros gave up in 2017 and 2018 to acquire Verlander and Cole. If you look at the return that Detroit and Pittsburgh got it was quite underwhelming. And frankly none of the pitchers who might be available next month are in that class. And Elias was in Houston when those trades were made. So not to panic the Orioles will find a serviceable back end of the rotation pitcher on the market and move Suarez to long relief where he is best suited. And find a set up man to complement Cano and Perez in the bullpen .

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    • Samuel

      1 year ago

      At the time those trades were made Verlander and Cole were pitching so badly that it appeared their careers were just about over.

      The Astros had plans to rework both, and they did.

      If Elias and the O’s have someone else like that in mind today, that would be wonderful. But there doesn’t appear to be a candidate tike those 2 were.

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      • brodie-bruce

        1 year ago

        @samuel

        I disagree imo I think it was where they were at, both playing for “hopeless” teams and that can wear on you, I believe in both cases being traded to a team with a shot did more than coaching. Let’s face it even outside of baseball people or more productive if there’s something to achieve. It’s hard to keep giving 100% when you know your seasons over in April

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  14. steveguy13

    1 year ago

    I hate everything

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  15. positively_broad_st

    1 year ago

    Can’t believe I’m saying this: Can the Orioles get Jack Flaherty back at the trade deadline?

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      1 year ago

      Can? Yes. Will be willing to part with more than mid-level prospects? Doubt it

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  16. King Floch

    1 year ago

    The expected outcome, but still brutal.

    See you in 2026, Kyle.

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    • King Floch

      1 year ago

      Oh God, Coulombe is out out until September too? When it rains, it pours…

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      • cwsOverhaul

        1 year ago

        Morton Salt

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  17. DonCarl97

    1 year ago

    He threw a 99 MPH fastball for the first time this year in that game against the Yanks, so max effort, which ended up resulting in this.
    The fatigue and stress of the UCL for such a max effort is ending up in more TJS than ever before, in addition to the motions of the elbow when pitching, if we see some pitchers when throwing the ball do a rotation on their elbow, like deGrom which causes a lot of stress in the rotation of the elbow leading to the sprain or the torning of the elbow

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  18. BirdieMan

    1 year ago

    They just don’t make elbows like they used to.

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    • unpaidobserver

      1 year ago

      Same elbow, last 200,000 years. Must be something more recent.

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      • dm867

        1 year ago

        Perhaps the recent obsession with spin rate? Just speculating…

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  19. Baseball_dude

    1 year ago

    Before the season even started, I said this would happen with either Bradish or Grayson and Baltimore will be back at square one after getting Burnes. (it always follows like that) Next year you’ll probably see Grayson have TJ as well. Same crap every year. Not that I ever thought Baltimore had a chance at winning a WS, but this confirms it 100%. This is coming from an Orioles fan for almost 40 years.. it’s a Jinx team that won’t win a World Series this year or next year. Which team can you remember in recent history to have 3 of their rotation arms have TJ surgery in the same year? + one of their best bullpen arms is down until September. sorry Os fans, but It’s a jinx team.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      1 year ago

      Dude, shut up. All you do is whine like a clown.

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      • Baseball_dude

        1 year ago

        I’m a clown? Ok prove it.. prove to me what I said isn’t true. The Orioles haven’t made a WS appearance in over 40 years and it’s always the same story “all they need is pitching” 3 of their starters went through TJ surgery in the last couple of weeks.. tell me the Orioles aren’t a Jinx team. I’m speaking the truth not giving an opinion

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          1 year ago

          Fake fan

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        • tuck 2

          1 year ago

          Jinx? Are you asking the guy to disprove a mystical concept? Should the team carry a rabbit’s foot, maybe find a witch that could cast a spell or something.

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      • MacGromit

        1 year ago

        @dude
        I’m not fully agreeing with Sewald, but *technically* he did not call you a clown.

        The simile was to relate your whining to a clown’s whining (which, BTW, is a uncommon connection since I don’t know that clowns actually whine).

        I do agree that you sound whiney and defeated about the Oriole’s chances. But I think that the simile might has well have been: “whiney like a fish”.

        Do better with your insults, @Sewald. That one didn’t track.

        @dude, have a little hope in life. this is new ownership and the O’s haven’t been knocked out of contention yet. No need to panic.

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  20. longines64

    1 year ago

    At some point some brilliant student of pitching is going to come up with a way of pitching to mitigate the damage to the UCL.

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    • MacGromit

      1 year ago

      Did Jenny Finch ever need Tommy John? That might be a hint on how they need to proceed. lol.

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    • unpaidobserver

      1 year ago

      Which comes first, robot ump or robot arm?

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      1 year ago

      Guess I’m a brilliant student of pitching then because the answer is “Stop selling out for max velocity every time and tweaking your mechanics to maximize spin.” But guys won’t do that because they’d be less effective, then they won’t get their hundred million dollar deals. It’s more a question of economics than it is of biomechanics.

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  21. whitesoxfan5207

    1 year ago

    O’s messed up not trading for Cease b4 the Padres did. And not to mention they could’ve gotten at the deadline last year too.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      1 year ago

      Cease changes nothing

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    • cwsOverhaul

      1 year ago

      WSox correctly held firm on Westburg being the headliner and Balt wouldn’t budge. Both glad they didn’t give in to other.

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  22. CCooper8920

    1 year ago

    O’s should send a godfather offer to the Giants for Webb

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    • unpaidobserver

      1 year ago

      I know this doesn’t really make sense but the Giants still think they are in this thing.

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    • Rexhudler86

      1 year ago

      @ccoop they should go after Anderson signed a angels fan. They can use any position really, and orioles have a logjam plus he has another uear could be insurance if burnes leaves or extra padding until bradish come back.

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  23. Tigerfan13

    1 year ago

    Wonder what it would take to acquire a guy like Skubal and maybe toss in closer Foley?
    Kid may start the all star game. I’d say this is the pitcher to give up Holliday for, stud traded for stud. Especially when you have great hitting SS Henderson already on ML roster. Thoughts?

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    • Windowpane

      1 year ago

      I don’t think either team would be interested in making that trade. Skubal is Detroit’s ace and they’re just a year away from contending, and I don’t think the O’s would trade an every day, future AS shortstop for a guy who plays once every 5 days. Henderson will move to third, Holliday will be the ss, and Westburg moves to 2nd. Just my opinion.

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  24. Old York

    1 year ago

    Terrible news for the young man but I do wish him well in returning to the mound, healthy and success in the future.

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  25. User 4014041831

    1 year ago

    Now BAL, NYY ( maybe just a RP), LAD, ATL, PHI, SDP, MIL, StL, CLE, KC are in competition to get a SP from CHI, OAK,MIA, COL (Quantril)

    Fedde may cost less and be a good value
    although Is he a difference maker? I think so.
    I can see CLE, MIL trading for Quantril, Fedde, Sears, Blackburn.

    I wonder if MIL would have interest in bringing Houser back?
    Not expecting anything major in return

    NYM SPs Severino, Manaea, Quintana, Megill available probably
    – listed in order of interest to other teams. Just speculating

    SDP probably made a good trade getting Cease after his price came down but you can’t tell how good the players they gave up will be in the next 3 or 4 years

    BAL did well to get Burnes also when the competition for him was so high like Cease

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    • tuck 2

      1 year ago

      Mets are not going to be sellers

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  26. JayRyder

    1 year ago

    Epidemic for sure.

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  27. bjhaas1977

    1 year ago

    2024 The season of Tommy John!

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  28. top jimmy

    1 year ago

    If the O’s just had some prospects they could trade for a starting pitcher …

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    • tuck 2

      1 year ago

      Why? Do you believe there are pitchers out there meaningfully better than Irvin Suarez or Povich? Marginally better yes but not enough to give up front line prospects.

      The pitching injuries are brutal but they just demonstrated – again – why they are the best team in baseball. Their three worst starters just went head to head with Yankees top of rotation and won 2 of 3.

      If anything they need to find two bullpen arms for depth – especially a hard throwing lefty

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  29. I UglyFish

    1 year ago

    Just a comment. It is not Tommy John with Internal Brace, it is UCL repair with Internal Brace. What is the difference? Traditional TJ surgery recovery is 14 to 18 months. The Internal Brace procedure is more around 9 to 10 months on average. While he is lost for this season, if things go right, he can be back shortly after the start of 2025.

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    • Rexhudler86

      1 year ago

      @Michael grzybowski I believe that is as bad as Tommy john could be worse actually. As far as you can’t play past 2. You could just get a brace until it blows. Sounds like he got Tommy john plus a brace

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