Garrett Crochet of the White Sox has had a very unusual trajectory which makes him one of the more unique trade candidates. Per reports from Jon Heyman of the New York Post as well as Patrick Mooney, Ken Rosenthal and Will Sammon of The Athletic, Crochet would prefer to stay in a starting role through the end of the year but clubs have concerns about how he will hold up down the stretch. As he pushes his workload into uncharted personal territory, he reportedly desires a contract extension before pitching in October.
This is a situation that has been a long time coming, given the strange combination of Crochet’s elite 2024 campaign and lack of previous track record. Back in 2018, he tossed 63 2/3 innings of college ball in Tennessee, then added another 65 innings the year after. In 2020, he missed some time due to shoulder soreness and then tossed just 3 1/3 innings before the pandemic shutdown.
The Sox then selected him 11th overall in that summer’s draft. There were no minor league games that year due to the pandemic, but they called him up the majors and he pitched six innings down the stretch. With his limited workload, they kept him in a relief role in 2021 and he tossed 54 1/3 innings that year. Then Tommy John surgery wiped out his 2022 season and limited him to just 25 innings in 2023: 12 2/3 in the majors plus 12 1/3 minor league frames from his rehab assignment.
That left Crochet coming into 2024 with 217 1/3 innings of official game action on his arm over the six-year period from 2018 to 2023. The 65 innings from his second college season were his personal high for one year and his biggest workload as a professional was the 54 1/3 relief innings from 2021. Ignoring the college years altogether and he only had 85 1/3 innings as a professional, majors and minors combined, coming into this year. He only logged 25 totals innings over the past two years.
Despite all of that, the Sox stretched him out as a starter this year and the results have been better than anyone could have reasonably hoped. Through 21 starts, he has logged 111 1/3 innings, a higher tally than his entire professional workload coming into the season. He has allowed 3.07 earned runs per nine innings with a 35.4% strikeout rate, 5.6% walk rate and 46.1% ground ball rate.
Despite the fairly limited number of innings, Crochet has actually been nudging towards free agency due to all that time spent on the injured list. He crossed three years of service last year and qualified for arbitration. But due to all the missed time, he only got his salary bumped to $800K, just barely over this year’s $740K league minimum. He’ll be able to raise his salary via two more arbitration passes before he’s slated for the open market after the 2026 season.
Normally, a 25-year-old having a breakout as a bonafide ace wouldn’t be available on the trade market, but the circumstances of the Sox might allow it to happen. They are awful this year, with a record of 27-77, easily the worst in baseball this season and in the running for one of the worst ever. It will take a lot of work to get them back to contention and it may not happen within their window of control over Crochet.
Signing him to an extension would be a possibility but his quick call-up means that he’s on track to hit free agency after his age-27 season. That puts him on a path for a massive free agent payday if he stays healthy for the next few years, so he may not want to give that up easily.
All of these factors have made Crochet seemingly available and in plenty of trade rumors. He has already been connected to the Padres and Dodgers with plenty of other clubs presumably interested as well given his performance, affordability and availability.
But hanging over all of this has been the question of what an acquiring team could expect from Crochet down the stretch. Given that he’s ventured so far beyond his previous workloads, would he be able to continue starting for the rest of the year? Would he need to be moved to a relief role or shut down completely? The two extra years of cheap control are obviously still appealing but teams would naturally have questions about what remains in 2024.
From Crochet’s perspective, it’s understandable that he may want the security of having an extension in place before the postseason arrives. Any club acquiring him would be hoping for him to be playing a key role through a World Series run, either as a starter or a reliever. Since he’s already missed significant time due to Tommy John surgery and is currently pushing his arm to places it’s never been before, it’s fair that he’s thinking about a safety net. Crochet reportedly wants to keep starting, believing that to be the best option for his long-term health. If any club wants to shift him to a relief or hybrid role, he would want to be given an extension first.
He wouldn’t really have the ability to simply decide to shut himself down, but at the same time, a theoretical club acquiring him would have some overlapping interest with Crochet. Trading for Crochet is already a long-term proposition with his two extra years of control, so any club acquiring him would naturally want to keep him happy and healthy for at least that amount of time. Given his obvious talents, keeping him around for longer via an extension would have appeal as well.
But negotiating contract extensions can be tricky business and accomplishing something like that in short order during an ongoing pennant race would be a challenge. That might be especially true in Crochet’s case, as all the unique circumstances of his career might make it difficult to align on value.
Perhaps all of these complications reduce the chances of a trade coming together in the next few days. The White Sox don’t necessarily need to trade him now, given the extra two years of club control. An offseason trade could perhaps even lead to a larger market of suitors, as the Sox wouldn’t be limited only to those currently contending. Waiting until the offseason would come with some risk of Crochet getting hurt between now and then and they would also be marketing two postseason runs instead of three, but the workload/extension concerns might be a thing of the past if he can finish the season healthy.
Taken all together, there are plenty of moving parts here and it should lead to White Sox general manager Chris Getz spending plenty of time on the phone in the next few days. The circumstances around Crochet are fairly unprecedented, meaning there’s no real blueprint for what’s to come.
Pass.
Hmmmm and I wonder why this guy is the first commenter and not a baseball GM
Call me crazy but Pirates should trade for Crochet & Luis Robert. Can you imagine facing that team next couple years with Skenes, Crochet, Mitch Keller, Jared Jones, etc? Mercy!
Clearly the Sox want to trade him. For some of the offers I’ve seen floated for Robert and Jazz, why not ask for both of these two?
Rooker is still my top pick though. True difference making bat.
All things being equal. That is no serious injuries and meeting expected performance- That would be a formidable rotation. If Robert can stay relatively healthy like he did last season. He can be an MVP type player.
All those guys throw the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
Google it. click images.
That’s the blueprint.
The Pirates knew this since 2018 when RB taught Glasnow, Musgrove Taillon, Kuhl, Crick, Trevor WIlliams the Football Slider.
The Pirates Owner, GM will find a way to f it up.
It sums up my agreement to that as well. The White Sox are a disaster. The clubhouse and attitudes have been a mess. Now Crochet wants to demand an extension to pitch for a contender. If money is his desire, over winning, I don’t want that player infecting my teams clubhouse. PASS!
You’re right. If true, he will have to be traded after the season.
Go. Collect $200
So he gonna hold out of playoff unless he gets an extension. Teams should pass right away
I think that what he’s saying is that: he wants to keep starting because he thinks the routine is more conducive to his health; he knows he can’t realistically start every fifth day through the September, let alone the postseason, given how few innings he’s pitched the past five years and his past TJ surgery; and, therefore, an extension would mitigate some of the risk on his part if he spends the rest of the season in the pen or a hybrid role instead.
So dude wants to keep starting the rest of the year and not the playoffs? He’s a joke!
Someone can’t read, but comments anyways.
Crochet makes $800k a year and has made $7,398,650 in his career, Hardly struggling to find his next meal.
“Why shouldn’t he get what he’s worth”…You leftys live in a utopia, fantasy world and don’t seem to understand that the MLBPA & owners negotiate the rules and these are the rules the baseball union agreed to. You give the union cronies that sell out 90% of their union members, agreeing to rules that mostly benefit the top 5% of players, a complete pass.
This has nothing to do with left or right. They don’t “sell out” 90% of their members. They have these rules in place because there have to be concessions in place for the owners. Otherwise, they would try to break the union and go back to the reserve clause days. Also, stop being so angry dude, it ain’t that deep.
He has a 5.9 career WAR. 4.1 of that this season. He’s having a career year and he knows that. Which is why he wants to cash in. No team is going to give him an extension with his injury history and 2 years of control.
Yeah someone else called you a leftie because you are advocating for workers, which I agree with (the advocating part), just not the part where baseball players are poor.
No, teams are planning to lessen his workload to keep his arm healthy. He wants to continue to start, risking his arm to injury, but first sign him to an extension before his arm falls off. Staying healthy would kinda be important to the team trading for him. Maybe I’m just unaware of Crochet’s vast medical expertise. He seems more interested in getting paid than staying healthy, or helping his team win. Maybe being exposed to Eloy, Moncada, and Roberts wore off on him.
I struggle to feel sorry for someone that makes $1M a year. Sorry… not sorry
Interesting that Crochet doesnt want to bet on himself. That contract extension would be a lot bigger if he plays well in October.
Os: Apparently you haven’t been paying close attention. If he stays with the Sox, he won’t be playing in October. No way he gets an extension with the Sox unless he wants to keep earning $8k a year from that cheapskate owner. Hopefully when he’s traded it will be to a contender. Dylan Cease, another Sox P who was deemed unnecessary to requirements,threw a no-hitter today. I couldn’t be happier for him.
I wasnt suggesting that he would get a contract extension from the Sox. Did you read the article? He wants whatever team he is traded to to give him an extension prior to pitching in October which seems like he wants to cash in now rather than after having proven he can hold up for a full season and perform in the post season.
Guess it depends on how much he’s looking for in an extension. Is he expecting some team to give him ace level money? Or is he just looking for some short term security and basically asking a team to guarantee his arb years at a reasonable value? If its the former then I don’t think any team is going to want to extend him, dude needs to get through at least one full season healthy-ish before he expects to get paid. If its the latter then a somewhat reasonable ask might be something along the lines to what a 2 year projection for his arbitration salaries would be, assuming he stays healthy, and he’ll let the team kind of use him however they think makes the most sense whether that be as a starter or reliever.
Fwiw Josh Hader had a ballpark similar demand when he was with the Brewers; the Brewers used him in all sorts of high leverage situations but not necessarily closer situations and then used his low saves count against him in arbitration. So that offseason he basically said that if I’m the closer then I’m only coming into the game in save situations or 3 out situations at the end of games (basically just don’t use me before the 9th inning). I can kind of see Crochet using that as a guide here, basically saying he wants some guarantee he’s going to be used as starter so he can be treated like one rather than a team moving him into the bullpen to finish the season, then going into arbitration saying he’s a reliever, and then throwing him into the rotation to start the season (so you’d get a SP at the price of a RP).
That’s the way I read it too. Trouble is he signed a contract that binds him until he’s a free agent. He doesn’t get to change the terms now. There is no upside to giving an extension or to giving up a major haul for him.
Very true avenger. Good points – he would never get an extension from Uncle Jerry. He’d never even get a serious offer.
But Crochet better watch what he says – otherwise he could end up still pitching on 35th Street, next year.
Personally if I’m Getz, I don’t trade him. Sox starting staff isn’t the problem, everything else is – except catching.
And pleeease, get rid of this TV play by play, guy.
How are your Chubbies doing Dogbone? Remember when Cubs traded Cease and others for Quintana was it? Lolol
Remember when the White Sox were a contender, and when they drew more than 12,000 per game, and when they had a decent owner (Bill Veeck was the last one), and when they actually had A PLAN ?
I don’t either….
I remember when the Sox traded Josh Phegley for Shark and Erik Johnson for Big Game James. That was some good trading.
Crochet just doesn’t want to get worked over like a rented mule, it’s not hard to figure out that’s all he’s “asking” for.
It sounds like he is concerned about a team that is trying hard to win this year will acquire him and use him up before he hits free agency.
Any team that cared about him long term would 100% not have him go from 12.2 innings in 2023 up to 180-200 this year (or whatever he will end up with if he plays the rest of the year and into october). It sounds like he is trying to get ahead of the possibility, and you really can’t blame someone for protecting themselves. He stands to make potentially hundreds of million dollars in his career but if he gets pushed to a second TJS this year, that really diminishes the chances of such a payday
Whether you are a baseball player or a janitor, you should advocate for yourself in this capitalist society. you will be used up and cast aside once you are no longer profitable!
Of course, but then the chances of an injury with such a large increase in innings is substantial. It might be a better arrangement for both sides to reach an agreement beforehand.
27-77?!?!? What the ever-loving bejeezus is going on w the White Sox?!?
swanhenge: The biggest cheap, disinterested owner in baseball,Jerry Reinsdorf.
Exactly
The 88-year old Reinsdorf would rather go to his grave with a personal net worth of $2.3 Billion, than spend any of his precious money to field a competitive team while finally keeling over with a net worth of $1.75 Billion.
Just two years ago, they had a 200 million dollar payroll, outspending teams like Houston, San Fran,,the Braves and even the Cubs. They’ve proven they spend money, they’ve also proven they don’t spend it wisely.
White Sox have never ONCE given out a $100 mil contract. They absolutely do not spend money lol
That’s misleading as it just means they don’t hand out long term contracts to middle aged players based on past performance like say a Javy Baez, Kris Bryant, Jason Heyward, Trevor Story, Rendon or a hurt Chris Sale. They’ve developed a signature move of locking up younger players in their arbitration years, actually forward thinking in that regards. They have paid players in the range of, $20-25 per annum.
But they NEVER go after big time players to keep for the long haul (free agents Manny Machado or Bryce Harper) … that they could then build around.
When they do develop players who are big time, they refuse to lock them up for the long haul (Robin Ventura, Magglio Ordonez — Frank Thomas being the exception)
To field a competitive team (let alone sustaining competitiveness), you need winning players — and Reinsdorf has shown through out his 43 years of calling the shots that he refuses to spend any of his precious money for winners … why? … because Reinsdorf doesn’t care.
1-The had a $200M payroll in 2023.
2-They are undergoing a rebuild which usually means less salary.
3-There is no feasible amount of money that they could’ve spent this year to be good. They’d need to sign 10 different 5-WAR players to get to 90 wins.
There are WAY worse owners than Reinsdorf. A’s, Angels, and Rockies fans would like a word, to start with.
While 4 turds make up a 4-of-a-kind, you’re not making a winning argument.
Reinsdorf has been there since 1981 … and was the public face of MLB owners in their collusion efforts … and created the baseball phrase “White Flag Trade” in 1997 … and told his family upon his death to sell the White Sox but keep the Bulls …
Jerry Reinsdorf has been an ongoing, decade after decade, disaster for a Charter Team of the American League.
Oh yeah … there was 1 World Series Title that occurred more out of happenstance than any real coherent plan to create a sustainable winning organization.
Reinsdorf is the worst, that’ll be his legacy.
Sadly his credit will be the 7 Bulls Championships which belongs to Krause and Jordan more than ‘The Chairman’. MLB should force him to sell now.
I hope when they do sell the team, they sell it to a owner who comes out immediately and says we will never ever have a payroll of higher than 25th best in the league, spending doesn’t equal winning! It would be hilarious and they’d probably start winning more often but it would actually give you something to complain about.
What owners need to do is figure out a way to dynamic price people like you, make you spend more than everyone else, that way people who know how to be proper fans aren’t priced out and eventually you have to get a 2nd job and you don’t have time to spread your horrible dumb opinions.
A better question is what the hell is going on in my life that I still watch every game, and kind of look forward to them?
don’t ever lose that bro
Same problem I have with my Giants, but clearly your jones (and team) are worse.
You’re probably a fan. A lot of the casual fans don’t realize that they were pretty decent from 2020-2022.
My grownup sons just laugh when I say I’m watching the White Sox.
Its like a train crash, you know its happening and horrific, but you cannot stop watching.
Someone needs to explain how contracts and arbitration work in MLB to this kid. Who has spent more time collecting a check while being injured than he has while on the field.
I think ‘Bigjon…’ is an alias for Jerry Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams, or Chris Getz. It would explain the echoing of what is likely being said in the ‘The Chairman”s office about any White Sox prospect.
And protect his arm from being moved to the bullpen for the rest of this year.
Moving him to the bullpen and pitching fewer innings will take less of a toll on his arm.
Changing his schedule could be a disaster for his arm and relievers make less money. No way does a proven starter like him want to make that move.
This is a bad trade just waiting to happen for some team…
This is laughable. Unfortunately, the guys on Foul Territory came to his defense regarding his “demands” (according to multiple sources, it is classified as ‘demand’ not ‘desire’) for an extension prior to pitching in October. This reflects how out of touch these guys are with reality.
He’s in a position where he’s paid to pitch, but saying he won’t do what he’s already paid to do unless he gets guaranteed future money. He may not realize it but they sign a contract through collective bargaining which determines he will pitch when he’s told to at the already agreed-upon rate of pay. Otherwise, he’s subject to discipline.
He’s a classic representation of what most people hate about our generation’s attitude and work ethic.
Good news for him though: he just likely tanked any potential postseason suitors so he won’t have to worry about it.
At least Scott Braun took the position of not knowing what kind of extension he’s wanting but Kratz was just spouting nonsense.
I hear what you are saying, but if he stays with the Sox they will no doubt shut him down at some point because of the injury risk of so many more innings than previous year. If he gets traded that acquiring team will not have the same luxury. He has every right to look out for his own well being, and the discipline/fines for not pitching would be assessed at his current pay rate and he will be protecting his future earning power which is much much greater. Simple maths.
I get the player looking out for his future but the current arb process is collectively agreed upon. If the Dodgers or Orioles get this guy, is he just going to clear his locker and go home at the end of the regular season?
I don’t know man. Players need to look out for themselves sometimes. These aren’t the days where pitchers get rode like a mule for a few short years and then get discarded for the next guy. And I dont miss those days. Players have rights. This is a labor and worker rights issue. I really dont have a problem with him saying what he’s said.
These guys ain’t on the bread line, we need to stop acting like players are oppressed underpaid workers, if he blew his arm out in October he will still end up with millions of dollars between draft bonus, salaries and then comeback contracts.
Just because they are well paid doesn’t mean they don’t deserve rights. A player has a right to look after his own career. Why you are against that I don’t understand.
No one is acting like they are oppressed or poor. You can’t compare their situations to the average worker. I dont blame him for wanting security before he blows past his innings and risking injury. That doesn’t mean he deserves it or has to get it. Nor do I feel bad as if he’ll be on the street if he doesn’t get an extension.
Crochet is the one that doesn’t want to limit his innings. He wants to continue starting thru the season. That’s not good for his arm. He’s also demanding money to pitch into the post season. He wouldn’t be talking extra risk if he would allow his employer to rest him and use him less before the post season. He wants the Moncada extension, paid to be injured.
Bullpen innings are harder on an arm than starter innings. He’s saying he doesn’t want to mess with his routine and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He earned the right to be a big time trade chip for the White Sox he also earned the right to comment on how he will be used if he is traded.
“I really don’t have a problem”…Unfortunately Black, you’re not the one giving out multi million dollar contracts. The teams that might trade for him are and he just tanked his value with them. A smarter player would let his agent handle this issue privately and thru back channels to teams. Nobody wants to hear a player who’s already under contract, suggest that he might not pitch when asked.
The team trading for him isn’t handing out a multi million dollar contract either. That’s kind of the point. He’s clearly saying if they do he will do whatever he’s asked. But since he’s only arbitration eligible he is looking out for his future. If the White Sox get less back in trade because of these comments so what? That’s not his concern. And he really didn’t say anything that wasn’t common sense anyways. But for some reason average nobodies like yourself seem to be mad about it.
There is some nuance to this. Hader got hammered last year for not wanting to pitch multiple innings too often, and there is merit to that. Before that, there was the Mets pitcher who wanted to limit his innings after surgery. Gooden, Hernandez, Hughes and a few others got badly derailed by poor innings management.
The owners aren’t necessarily your friends. If this was me, and I just signed a 6-year contract with you, you can use me any way you want, because you’re the one taking the risk.
But if it prior to free agency, then I am the one taking the risk. I have not heard a single person not say he shouldn’t be on an innings limit. And he should be on a limit.
He does have 2 years to go before free agency. But he wants to get there and be a desired pitcher aka rich man. He doesn’t want a team to acquire him in a trade then ignore what’s best for his career. And that’s totally fair.
White Sox should keep him. He sure won’t have to worry about October with the Sox.
He’s crazy. Most of his trade value is because he’s cheap. If he wants a team to trade top prospects for him and give him a new, more expensive deal, he’s insane.
He still is cheap and will be for next 2+ years for an acquiring team. A team doesn’t have to give him a new deal, but it’s encouraging that he’d be interested in one, which could be a positive. He may give up 1-2+ free agent years for more guaranteed money before 2026 (when he’s scheduled to hit FA), allowing him more assurances from injury and avoiding arb process (and on a new team). Don’t like how it’s phrased “desires extension before October” almost like it’s an ultimatum, but I’d take it with a grain of salt.
Rundmc – that’s a good point. After looking at this more, I feel like he’s trying to cash in on this one season of success because of his injury history. Get a new deal while he’s healthy and dealing, then if his arm falls off because he’s not used to the workload and had TJ with a reliever workload, he’ll at least have made some money.
Maybe by new contract he just means buying out his arbitration years which would be a bargain IF he stays healthy and continues to produce.
@ Joemo Look at maybe ANY pitching STATS before making the dumbest comment on Earth about Crochet “…his trade value is because he’s cheap.”
His cheap contract is the extreme icing on the cake cause dude is dominant this year! A team that trades for Crochet just has to realize he’s probably not going to start every 5 days and go 7 innings rest of the season. He’s need to get plugged into a 6 man rotation or get extra rest (like the Dodgers, Astros, Phillies, Orioles or few other contending teams can do).
No most of his trade value is because he’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball this season, despite playing for the worst team. That’s a neat trick.
This is why smart organizations do not trade the farm for young volatile arms like this. Way too risky especially knowing he may not hold up to workload and want insurance in case he doesn’t. Pass unless you have a stocked farm and need to move pieces before you lose them.
This guy must think he is Nolan Ryan? Big pass. Nice torpedo job on the Sox front office
This season he’s been better than Nolan Ryan. Seriously, he has. Actually Ryan wasn’t nearly as good as people think he was, but that’s for another day.
Really? Can’t wait to read your expert analysis on that.
Really good article. The Orioles should send him a fruit basket and a note telling him how nice his parents are.
And then offer some serious prospect capital for him.
So he wants to be used as an opener for the rest of the year, basically?
Sounds like he killed his trade value
Well Garrett, Mason Miller just showed you how to not get traded. You know what you must do…
Good for Crochet, I hope it all works out for him.
What does this change? Did anyone expect him to lead their teams rotation in the playoffs?
All he’s saying is if the team wants to run him into the ground and risk his health he wants a long term deal before that happens. And that’s totally reasonable. If a team gives him a 5 year extension then apparently he’s ready to throw 200 plus innings if asked. So what’s the problem?
It’s understandable but the reason I said “pass” is because of the cost of prospects and the requirement to give him a bunch of money when even he is worried he may not hold up through the post season. Risky.
That’s not new information. Crochet was never a guy that teams could count on in October. I have been saying this for a month now his value isn’t what people seem to think it is.
Nothing has changed because i don’t think anyone was trying to reach the massive asking price the White Sox set for him.
The only way Crochet pitches in October is if the acquiring team phantom IL’s him for six weeks after the trade to drag out his innings limit into the playoffs
Yeah I think he does get dealt because the White Sox can’t afford to gamble and see him get hurt again. But it’s not gonna be for these insane trade packages that have been discussed.
As I mentioned above, I agree 100%.
If he stays with the WS, it is about a 100% certainty that he will be on an innings limit.
If another team wants him to throw 200 innings, after having thrown 73 inning sin the previous 4 years combined, they should compensate him for that risk.
And most people would likely feel the same if they had a risk-laden career.
This guy needs to put a sock in it
And the price for Skubal and Flaherty just went up 😉
This doesn’t change anything. Teams are gonna pay what they are gonna pay. I understand why the Tigers are waiting but some of these teams need to start making moves.
The 😉 meant I wad joking. I agree with what you said. Cue AJ Preller buying up ll the starting pitching and throwing the other slow mover GM’s into a panic!
I wish Preller would step up and make a couple deals. People playing scared. At least Detroit has an excuse. As a Cardinals fan I am wondering what we are waiting for the team is old and barely hanging on to a playoff spot. Clear cut buyer. See what happens with the Tigers.
Arizona made a mo e for BP help. Maybe that’ll break the logjam.
Hope so. Seems like a good deal for both sides.
If it’s just arb years then something like 10, 15, 30 = 3/55 isn’t outrageous and you’d be paying it to him anyway probably if all goes well. If it’s a longer extension you’d hope to get a discount 5/80 with a couple option years under 30 per
It’s a long shot that the Wsox extend him.
Just another clown in the circus on the south side of Chicago. Attempting to torpedo any possible trade to get out of there shows how important winning is to him. Besides the Sox limiting his work load maybe he feels a little twinge in his shoulder now and then, maybe, and he wants to sign a big contract before his arm falls off
He’s not trying to torpedo a trade. He’s trying to prevent what intelligent baseball fans have been talking about since the Crochet trade discussions started. He doesn’t want to get run into the ground when his arm can’t handle the workload after his years of injuries. That doesn’t make him a bad guy.
Tigers would be dumb to move Skubal. I assume most teams know they will have to grossly overpay for Skubal
Ya think?
I don’t see the Wsox having a winning season til 2027 with or wo Crochet.
Probably why their have been so many Crochet trade discussions bud.
Yeah
There was no upside to Crochet saying this. Just land on a good team who definitely wants him to start next couple seasons and roll with new team vision for ’24-the interests for he and club are aligned as far as healthy TOR starter/talking extension once there.
Becoming clearer why Crochet hasn’t been traded yet…he’s a meathead.
LOL at this guy. I understand where he is coming from, but we are going to need to see more than 184 career innings before you start making the demands there big boy.
It’s his career. It’s his arm throwing the ball.
Unless he signs his own paycheck, he doesn’t call anything. Do you show up to work telling your bosses what you will and won’t don’t do?
I don’t have a boss. And I don’t have to show up to work either.
He’s playing for less than his worth at the moment. That’s not an opinion that’s a fact. He has the right to be concerned for his future. It’s his arm. He’s the one throwing the ball.
He’s playing for what the Union worked out that a third year player would play for.. If he sustains the success the arbitration process will take care of him with sizeable raises every year until he hits FA.
I didn’t see him complaining when he was cashing the $800,000 paycheck and watching from the sidelines until this year.
we are going to need to see more than 184 career innings
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I think that’s fair. In a situation like this, both sides need to compromise.
1-An acquiring team should understand he isn’t going to pitch 200 innings.
2-Crochet has to understand that he isn’t going to be paid like an established ace.
Maybe get $100M/5 after his arb years. If he is healthy, the team wins, but the money is guaranteed. And then he doesn’t have to worry his innings. The team will absorb all the risk.
Someone will trade for him and buy out his two arb years for $10-15m per and consider it a massive bargain. If anything, a comment like this reduces his market to the wealthier teams, which might have been part of his intent in the first place. He’s a smart dude. He hasn’t made his bag yet and throwing 150 innings and then the playoffs is a huge risk.
Not sure why people think he’s trying to torpedo a trade away from a team that likely will clinch a sub .500 season before August.
It may not need to be an extension that buys out free agent years, per se. Maybe just buy out his remaining arb years.
Anyone crazy enough to sign him to a long deal should ask the Astros how the Lance McCullers deal has gone for them. Giving an oft-injured pitcher big money will never pay off. Heck, ask the Astros what it was like to give Verlander 2/60 for him to name exactly one start.
Crochet, “I am not a team player, so if you want me to pitch for you in the playoffs it has to be as a starter and you have to give me an extension first, even though starting means I probably WON’T be able to pitch next season and possibly the year after that.”
Crochet throws that non traditional slider.
I learned how to throw it, Google What is a football slider.
No, sir. I will not do that.
I don’t post much on this site, but who in the heck does he think he is making stipulations and possible demands. Hey dude, you pitch when the organization and the manager wants you to pitch! You are an infant in this game and are in no position to push your narrative to any team. There’s a thing called the CBA and he has to abide by it. Crochet is hurting his reputation and acting a fool!
He can say whatever he wants, and will get exactly what he wants because he’s so good. He will be traded to a team that is happy to extend him.
WRONG
as for this year, No Trade now so He just blew his chance for an October WS run with a new team. Sox not trade him til winter now,
and knowing Getz and FO of Sox, they will now try and trade him in winter to a big $$ bad owner, bad team to screw GC, like an Angels or Toronto.
Nothing good came out of GC and CAA opening up their big mouths. Only bad, as now likely half+ of the interested teams are now a Hard Pass, for trade Now and this winter..
Enjoy several years of MLB Purgatory in the dreaded Anaheim, Garrett! LOL
Believe me even ML pitching coaches can’t get these guys to go with the plan. The analytic dept and hire ups call the shots in many cases.
“I’ll play for a 27-77 team but not in the playoffs for a contender”
Pro athletes don’t care whether they’re playing for a ring. That’s 100% in fans heads. He’s looking out for his career and health, as he should.
Well these comments will actually hurt Getz when negotiating trade scenarios I think. Also, Crochet is not getting an extension from Jerry, this team is in rebuild mode (again), so he should honestly just keep his head down and keep the counting stats the way they’re going at the moment.
Get rid of ‘The Chairman’ (owner of the White Sox for those who do not know), get rid of Grifol and his group of inepts, and get an owner who wants to see this club actually succeed and is willing to spend the cash and also bring in a staff to actually tap into Robert’s (and others) potential for a change, and a GM with enough balls to send guys like Moncada packing before their contracts expire to send a message that there is no freeloading when it comes to the org. I mean really. Moncada was shut down because he didn’t ‘feel right’ while running.. I mean really….
Season is so bad it JR might be forced and or threatened to sell.
I have a feeling if Grifol is kept for another year then there will be a revolt of White Sox fans (or should be). He really is a limp noodle of a manager and it reflects in the whole team. Even Frank Thomas was railing that there is a cancer in the clubhouse and there is too much apathy and not enough fight (to be fair that has been since Renteria was stabbed in the back for ‘the Fossils’ fossil friend to come back to manage. A bunch of guys coming in just to collect their checks and now its apparently affected their ‘star’ in the Cease trade in Thorpe. This is why a rebuild will not work with the current regime and why it did not work the last time. No accountability to speak of, even with a new GM. It would be funny if not so sad.
Id love to see Frank (or a guy like him) as manager of this club, but I doubt he wants the hassle of dealing with ‘boy wonder’ and jurassic man.
Thank you for the definition of unprecedented. Please continue to assume your readers are in second grade…
Maturity is one thing. Basic vocabulary is another. But very true.
I applaud Crochet for taking some control of his future health and by extension earnings. You could argue his trade value now vs the off-season will not be that different provided of course he were to remain healthy for the balance of the 2024 season. In that scenario CWS are assuming some risk.
He’ll have 2yrs of arbitration left coming off a super low base of less than $1M in 2024. The issue of what can he even be expected to give a team in 2024 is such a huge question mark and a discount teams I’m certain would want in the trade..
Obviously this is a blow to teams wanting to add in 2024 who are in CBT hell. Part of his value is his almost minimum wage 2024 salary and projected cheap 2025 salary. Any extension signed blows that up. Can the CWS him an insurance policy and not be in CBA violation as a way to facilitate the trade?
All this indignation spewed toward Crochet is hilarious too me.
— Dylan Cease = no hitter today
— Chris Sale = 7.1 IP, 9 K today
— Carlos Rodon = has had stretches of brilliant dominance
All graduates of the White Sox system
Garrett Crochet is well on his way of making a similar impact in seasons to come
All on other teams lol
thanks for making (and reinforcing) my point
what are you, 10 years old?
Yes, an adult, and it was meant to reinforce your point, that is all. Everyone is so damn sensitive, and then CBeisbol just waits to jump in to restate the same sentiment time and time again.
I just pointed out the other day that the writers feel the need to define simple vocabulary, and you (CBeisbol) made the same talking point. I have three college degrees, thank you- I just found PantsRowland’s observation humorous.
CB
You clearly need social skill assistance, and your comment adds nothing to the discussion about Crochet, either. But go one believing you’re superior to every MLBTR writer and reader. I certainly haven’t seen it.
C’mon man, Ethan Katz wouldn’t even be there without learning the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
The proof of that is in 2018 Flaherty and Fried for the 1st time in their career avg over a K an IP learning the RBFS and then in 2019 Giolito followed.
Giolito and Cease shortened their arm path cause they found the RBFS slider. Nobody talks about pitchers shortening their arm path for the RBFS. Years ago short arming the ball was a no no, but now cause of that RBFS it’s not.
If he’s putting out that kind of demand to a team that might trade for him, maybe his goal is to stay put for now. His safest play is to get shut down by the Sox now. Then, if they trade him during the off-season, it’ll be safer for him moving forward.
Never played a full season wants extension and roster decisions lol, ok kid.
He has some leverage — something young players rarely, if ever, have … and is not afraid to try and use it.
Considering your handle and Shakespeare’s famous play, it’s ironic you’re not seeing this (no offense)
Yeah, I like the play. Doesn’t mean it gets applied in every sense of my being, or any for that matter.
At least he has more leverage than the kid the Bears drafted who tried to be paid to his LLC among other things.
Cease proved all of the “geniuses” wrong.
Crochet will cost:
– Top Infield Prospect
– Top Outfield Prospect
– Top Pitching Prospect
If you have a problem with this… move along.
I don’t understand the negativity towards Crochet’s comments. If I’m a team trading what it takes to land Crochet, I’m immediately trying to sign him to a long term extension and keeping him around for at least 7 years. He wants an extension, this makes him more appealing to me.
This guy seems like a qb or a nba player telling the teams what to do where to send him and what to pay him. Kinda demanding from a guy who hasn’t done much career wise prior to this season who’s still under team control next year too.