The Orioles and Dodgers are “engaged in talks” with the Tigers regarding a trade for All-Star left-hander Tarik Skubal, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today. This comes after a previous report from Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated, which suggested that Baltimore and L.A. were interested in Skubal but did not confirm the Tigers were entertaining offers for the Cy Young contender.
Both the Orioles and Dodgers have already made it crystal clear they are seeking to add starting pitching ahead of the July 30 trade deadline. Before the All-Star break, Orioles GM Mike Elias expressed interest in adding a starter with multiple years of club control. Meanwhile, the Dodgers have reportedly already made an offer to the White Sox for Garrett Crochet, and Alden Gonzalez of ESPN suggests that adding “a front-of-the-rotation starter” remains their top priority. Crochet is still their number one target, per Gonzalez, though Skubal would be far more than just a consolation prize.
Baltimore and L.A. have been two of the top teams in the league this season, but both clubs have been hit hard by injuries to their starting rotations. The Orioles have lost Kyle Bradish, Tyler Wells, and John Means for the season. Thus, their rotation has its fair share of question marks after Corbin Burnes and Grayson Rodriguez. Meanwhile, the Dodgers currently have names like Tyler Glasnow, Clayton Kershaw, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Walker Buehler, and Dustin May on the IL. Glasnow and Kershaw are set to return this week, but given their injury histories, L.A. could use another top-of-the-rotation arm for the playoffs. Skubal certainly fits the description.
While it is noteworthy that the Tigers are engaged in discussions about trading Skubal, president of baseball operations Scott Harris might just be doing his due diligence. In other words, the fact that these teams are talking does not mean Harris is seriously considering any offers. Indeed, several sources seem to think it is still highly doubtful Detroit will trade Skubal this season. According to Nightengale, Detroit will only move Skubal if the front office is “overwhelmed” by an offer. Gonzalez reports that sources familiar with the Tigers’ thinking believe a trade is unlikely. Verducci’s source offered similar information, though added that “everything has a price.” Evidently, the Dodgers and Orioles are trying to find the price that will convince Scott Harris to trade away his best player.
The Yankees might also be trying to find that price, as Nightengale reports they would be willing to part with top prospect Spencer Jones to land a young ace like Skubal or Crochet. Previously, Jones was thought to be all but untouchable, but the Yankees might be getting more desperate for upgrades. They have gone 10-20 over their last 30 games, falling out of first place in the AL East. Their starting rotation has a league-worst 6.02 ERA in that time.
Jones, a towering, power-hitting outfielder, is widely considered a top-100 prospect in the game. It’s easy to understand why the Yankees would be hesitant to trade him, but it’s equally clear why the Tigers would command a prospect of that caliber in a package for a 27-year-old ace with two and a half years of club control remaining.
Skubal claimed the final spot on MLBTR’s ranking of the top 50 trade candidates for the deadline. His low ranking has nothing to do with his talent but rather reflects how unlikely he is to be dealt. Still, there is a good reason he was included on the list at all. Several contenders are sure to make a push to acquire Skubal, and if he is dealt, it could be the biggest blockbuster of the summer.
I don’t understand the purpose of keeping him. He’s a Boras client, meaning he’s going to free agency to look for a contract. So unless the Tigers believe they can win a World Series in the next couple of seasons, they’re only wasting his value.
Sounds like a great recipe for a never ending “rebuild”. The Rangers and Dbacks played in the World Series last year – think about where they were in 2022. I don’t think it’s insane to think Detroit could make a run in the next couple seasons if a few things break right.
@butnt Trading Skubal is a bit different than having a recipe of Trading any and everything. He has next to zero chance of extending with amount of team control left and what he’s proven thus far. He’s trade value is at its peak, the wise move is dealing him.
Skubal’s a 9th round pick. He’s been paid next to nothing so far. Far, far below his market value. He needs to sign a 3-4 yr extension to lock in life changing money. That still gives him time for an FA contract. He gets hurt next year he leaves $80-100 million on the table. Boras knows this. He isn’t stupid and he’s negotiated extensions before.
Skubal was a 29th round pick. Second to last round that year, I do believe.
@Stat Skubal get hurt next year or 2026 and a team would still offer a discounted multi yr deal with opt outs based on these past 3 seasons.
Name one pitcher represented by Boras that pitched like Skubal and extended 2 yrs from free agency.
Remember Max Scherzer and Boras signing an extension in Detroit?! Me neither since it never happened.
Ridiculous posters mentioning that Skubal was picked late in the draft.
Mike Piazza was not even picked in the MLB Draft.
He had to beg Tommy La Sorda and the Dodgers to take a flyer on him and that was because their was a family relationship. Piazza is in the Hall of Fame/
No MLB Executive cares about that at this point since Skubal is now one of the top starters in MLB.
just like business owners don’t care about your high school or college grades if you are producing at a high level.
I only mentioned it because someone said he was a 9th rounder when indeed he was a 29th rounder.
@troyvan. He was drafted twice. He signed as a 9th rounder. At this point it doesn’t matter he has three solid years.
9 th round
Detroit took him ninth round. Arizona took him the year before
It’s wise if you don’t expect to contend within the next 3 seasons.
If he’s really as good as he’s shown, his value will be great in 2026 as well when he team is desperate at the deadline in the tigers are out of it
He didn’t sign that year when he was drafted
I mean you can look that up in 1 second and see he signed as a 9th rounder
@rickover50 apparently he doesn’t realize that’s it normal to be drafted several times. Angels picked buster posey In The 50th round. It’s just a flier pick to see if they will sign early.
Skubal was a 29th round pick.
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That was in HS. Most good players that have a college commitment get drafted late in the hopes that they change their minds.
The point was his current/cumulative salary based on his draft slot.
What are you talking about? Maybe do a little research before you go on your rants. Piazza WAS drafted, but in the late innings. He did NOT beg for the Dodgers to sign him. Tommy LaSorda was a family friend and that is why he ended up with the Dodgers.
PIazza was only drafted as a favor by Tommy La Sorda for the Dodgers as a favor to Piazza’s father. He was the last player selected and signed in his draft class to play in the Major Leagues. Piazza was drafted in the 62nd round and would not have been drafted at all if not for his father’s close friendship with Tommy La Sorda.
Pujols also got a fairly large cheque if I recall correctly
He didn’t sign after his first draft….went back to school and got drafted a year later in the 9th round it paid off….
And now the Rangers are under .500 and the Diamondbacks are only a couple of games over .500.
The Tigers aren’t winning anything.
It is insane. They have very few players with any substantial upside such that they could soon contend in the loaded AL. They aren’t 1-2 players away. They’re 5-6 very very good players away. A rebuild is the only correct course when you’re so far removed from contention. The Yankees hype machine is trying to play up Jones like a consensus top 25 prospect when he isn’t even close to the top 50. He’s way overhyped and souls but be the foundation of a skubal trade. But if the Tigers could get a superior main piece like Kjerstad (recent top 25 prospect) or Basallo (current top 15 prospect) with Norby and a couple fliers from the orioles they’d be well served to do so and reload at multiple positions from what’s been a historically strong and proven farm system. The same can be said for dodgers – though they have a much weaker farm I think rushing + Paula would be similar value to Kjerstad + Norby. The Yankees would need to offer jones + Hampton + another team top 5 prospect to put together an arguably similar package though that still looks (on paper) to be both light and unrealistic.
Greene has upside. Vierling has upside. Keith has upside. Meadows has upside. If a player is not having his career year, they have upside. Torkelson has upside. They have depth at starting pitching. They are solid defensively at C. If they add a legit closer to the bullpen, sign Kim for SS, and get a power bat (Santander), they could be a contender. The only player on this team I have no hope for is Baez. Even he has upside, but I wouldn’t wait for it.
Baez would look great in Dodger Blue
Dodgers already have two ball boys
Comeback of the day!
Javier Baez? Yeah he can whiff a lot I heard
Take Baez for free. No really, go ahead.
LMFAO!
The Tigers have a relatively low payroll.
They are under no pressure to give away talent just to dump Baez’s bad contract.
Yeah, as much as I like to watch him pitch and it would really hurt to lose him, I agree with you.
Agree Tigers. At best you could squeeze into the wildcard over the next couple years but the Tigers don’t look like a legit contender with him.
Skubal for Holliday. 1 for 1.
Skubal is worth more than just Holliday.
You can get prospects. And you can get the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. The top prospect is insanely valuable. Holliday could be better than Skubal is now in a couple years. And you get him for 6 and a half years not 2 and a half. And those first few years are dirt cheap.
Nope, he has already had 2 arm surgeries.
Ummmmm…. Yeah ok
Holliday could be better than Skubal is now in a couple years.
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From my perspective, Skubal is worth ~ 13-14 WAR. Holliday’s floor, imho, is maybe 3 WAR * 6.5 or ~ 19.5 WAR. His ceiling might be Witt, and that might be 30+ WAR.
This falls under the category of “sure, anything can go wrong, but you still make the move”.
Yes Joe exactly. And if you look at health Holliday is also a safer bet.
Scott Harris “CLICK”.
And rolling on the floor laughing.
Is your one-for-one a joke, or are you?
No. Holiday and Mayo would be interesting but not just Holiday especially after his MLB face plant. The Tigers are where Baltimore was in 2022 only with better pitching. Skubal was a 9th round pick. He and Boras will be very open to negotiating an extension after this season so Skubal can get financial security. 4 years would cover the last 2 arbitration years and a couple of FA years and still give him the opportunity for a big FA contract. Boras has done this before.
Holiday will be fine. He’s 20 years old and has a total of 10 games up in the bigs. The O’s also foolishly added pressure to the kid by making it his bobblehead night for his debut.
I assume he’ll be fine but 2 singles in 34 PAs is not an auspicious start. Shows the problem with rushing guys.
@Stat Skubal is not going to be very open to extending. His performance thus far as all but secured him a huge deal when he hits free agency. Every year of team control that passes teams lose leverage on extending. Tigwra are almost out of leverage here.
Why? Because his agent is Boras? That’s lazy. It’s not like he’s a 1st round pick sitting on multi million dollar contract. He got nothing as a 9th rounder. He can extend and still hit FA. Situation was the same with Colt Keith, which is why he signed his extension.
Mlb face plant?
Good gosh dude.
And Skubal is open to discussing an extension? You know this????
I assume he’s smart and I do know he got nothing when he signed as a 9th round pick. Time to cash in. He loses nothing in FA with 3-4yr extension but locks in life changing wealth.
Not by Detroit .. he was drafted twice so we can drop that but it means nothing now. He will command 40 a year minimum. What Al central team has a 40 mil player? Zero
Not disagreeing w you at all, but if the Tigers are where the Orioles were in 2022, that means they go the rest of the way winning at around .600 ball from this point forward. It’s about this time in 2022, when Adley Rutschman was called up, and they basically started winning every series, and never got swept once until this year. So let’s go Tigers!
You are in dreaml;and.
This is Boras/Max Scherzer 2.o
Holiday especially after his MLB face plant.
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The face plant definitely devalues him, but he is also a 70 FV. How many 70 FVs exist in this world? If Holliday was on the table, the Tigers have to take a shot. And keep in mind he was just 20 when he was promoted.
You honestly seem quite deluded. You’re not going to be very happy when the tigers end up trading him for maybe 50% of your ask there.
I think its comical that people are arguing about this as if anything Bob Nightengale ever said turned out to be true.
I think the purpose is division titles, and trying to win playoff games in 24 & 25. When he’s got a year left, sure try hard to sell him, but until then, I’d want an unrealistic return
Exactly why no team should mortgage the future to get him. Assuming he doesn’t get injured and these days it seems likely he will, he won’t sign an extension and he’s gone in 2 years.
So you don’t see the value in building a rotation around a potential future CY Young winner? Skubal arguably has been the most productive AL pitcher this season. This is something you don’t mind paying for even if ya dirt cheap like Oakland (Detroit is a top 10 spending team usually). It’s a no-brainer to try to keep for a team that has in its past spend with the big boys when they have the talent.
Mr. I is no longer in charge (R.I.P.), and Chris has no taste for opening the wallet. Those days will remain in the past.
I’d dump Boras’ clients the first second I’d get. They only go to rich teams, want bloated salaries, and have declining performances after big paydays. This year proved that Snell and Montgomery got paid and immediately tumbled with performance, injuries, or both.
It is De Ja Vu all over again with Tigers Ownership
They have sabotaged themselves, repeatedly by not making deals,
Max Scherzer is just one of many examples that come to mind.
Another All Star, Cy Young starter repped by Boras who turned down the Tigers extension offer. Rather than cashing in on Scherzer’s value with a trade for top young playes and prospects. the Tigers held onto Scherzer, he walked to the free agent auction and the Tigers received a only a draft pick for his services.
The Tigers were still in it at the trade deadline. It would be like the NYY trading Cole at this deadline. Hindsight is easy.
Not hindsight at all.. I was saying the same thing and posting it in real time as it happened.
The Scherzer Boras turndown of Illitch’s offer happened before the season started.
The Tigers could have easily cashed in Scherzer for a boatload of great young players and prospects including another young starter to take Scherzer’s rotation innnings.
That season,, allegedly, Scherzer was frequently asking Leyland to remove him in the 5th or 6th inning anyways to save himself for his next team in free agency.
I mean he’s not a free agent till 2027. Are the tigers really that far away from contending? They’re 49-51. Shouldn’t they be just a couple good offseason signings away from contending?
I think the Royals and Tigers will dominate the AL Central next season as is
If the Tigers think they can contend next year, they absolutely should keep him.
If they don’t get blown away with an offer they should keep him also. Can always still move him in the offseason
That would be alot of prospects going to Detroit.
Rexhudler86, that’s true, but the Orioles have em to give away though
@guard they definitely do, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was norby,mayo, and kjerstad atleast.
Swap Cowser for Kjerstad, add a young FV40, and there’s your deal.
If the yankees are competing by putting jones on the table, Mayo and knerstad are better prospects than Jones- so you should not need to part with both for Skubal.
Kjerstad, Norby, and some lottery ticket gus whould get it done.
@james123 but he’s 27 with 2 and a half years left. It going to close to the archer deal glasnow,Baz, and meadows looked really steep at the time.
@sorengo99 most likely not going to happen, but I’m sure his price will be really high.
I doubt they are competing with that. Just the only thing the Yankees have to offer
Isn’t Jones striking out close to 40% of the time? That’s a project!! Yankees make it look like they are trying to dump him while his value is still relatively high.
The Yankees can’t afford to trade for Skubal. They don’t have the prospects. Baltimore is the only real fit.
Tigers have plenty of light hitting OF. Substitute McDermott for Cowser. I’d also take Basallo instead of Norby since they aren’t likely to take him off the O’s.
I think the Os would rather give Norby than Basallo.
The O’s aren’t trading their best defensive outfielder (Cowser).
Isn’t Jones striking out close to 40% of the time?
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You can’t always tell with these prospects, but his K-rates are as bad as I’ve seen in a while. He’s on pace for ~250 in AA, with a 37/4 K/ in his last 78 PAs.
If the O’s or any team want Skubal they re not going to have the luxury of nitpicking.
If the Yankees call the Tigers should hang up.
What if Atlanta offered Waldrep, Micheal Harris, Nacho Alvarez and Drake Baldwin? I doubt they will but point is some teams could pull young bodies off their MLB squad. Dodgers have Miguel Vargas and Bobby Miller who might be interesting adds to a pa kage as a for instance.
I agree if it is just prospects Baltimore by far has the most to offer.
I still hope they keep him.
For the 100th time they are not trading Mayo or Holiday.
That’s fine then he stays a Tiger.
It would be Basallo and Noby plus 1 in low teens and a lottery ticket. This is why it won’t happen. Tigers don’t have to sell. Any deal would really shock O’s fans because it would have to look one sided.
I think the template for a top of the rotation arm w 2 years of control left was the Padres Dylan Cease trade. That was 5 prospects centered around a top 50 prospect.
The Orioles have multiple elite level guys, top 15 prospects. All better than that Cease trade’s centerpiece. I’m seeing folks throw around ideas of two of the Orioles top 4 prospects, but that’s just fantasy land, The Orioles #5-10 are pretty strong prospects too. And they could be top prospects in other systems very quickly. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect two of Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, or Kjerstad.
That said, I don’t think there’s any chance the Os trade Holliday. He’s a superstar in the making. He’s young, been performing at every level, and about to break into the majors at 20. The Os know what they have, and they think he’s a Gunnar-level talent.
@basemonkey The Tigers also know what they have. And what the have has been the best LHP in MLB this season. If the O’s want that it’s going to likely cost them Holliday.
They don’t really have a need for another Gunner. They have a need for a TOR starter with multiple years of control. Another Gunner would be a luxury. Baltimore has lots of offense, and more in the pipeline. Detroit, on the other hand, has lots of pitching, and more on the way. What they don’t have is a SS that can hit above the Mendoza line.
The Dodgers have the prospects too. Not as many as the O’s but they could put up quite a haul.
Tigers aren’t trading unless they get holiday+ two other top 5 prospects. They don’t have to move him. Skubal could be the difference in winning a world series for the Orioles.
It is going to take a Soto to San Diego type deal or better to get Skubal
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Corbin Burnes and Skubal 1-2 in the playoffs is a World Series team with Baltimore’s talented, young lineup.
Orioles had a 100+ win team that was eliminated from the playoffs last year because their starting pitching got torched in the playoffs,
Yankees and Dodgers don’t match up with the Tigers needs.
It will be the Orioles or he stays put/
Coby Mayo, Sam Bassallo, Heston Kjerstad would be a start to any deal +3 more players.
Dodgers farm system has been decimated by trades and promotions.
It looks picked over to me.
And, there are very few impact hitting position players if any.
Cowser isn’t getting traded… Imo
Yeah….that won’t happen. I like the Tigers, but they need an infusion of offensive talent. A package of Basallo OR Mayo, Stowers, Norby and someone like a Freddie Benscombe would give them two guys they could plug in today and two more that would really help in a year or two. If it were Mayo it would be 3/1..
Dude. Be serious. That would never happen. Not for 2.5 years of Skubal.
For the 100th time they are not trading Mayo or Holiday.
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You’d need more than Mayo, just like the NYY would need more than Jones. Mayo has 73 Ks in 269 ABs. That’s 163/600, or maybe 185 in the pros. That doesn’t mean he can’t play, but Skubal is a top talent.
They aren’t getting Holliday, let alone two other top-tier prospects.
Kjerstad, Norby, lottery ticket probably wouldn’t even be *close*
Skubal is at worst a top 5 pitcher in baseball, with extended club control remaining. If I were Detroit I’d insist on one of Mayo/Holliday/Basallo and one of Kjerstad/Cowser, plus the lottery ticket(s). And if the Orioles say no, then keep Skubal or deal him elsewhere.
I don’t think Os fans would mind Basallo, Norby plus a couple 15-20 guys. It is going to hurt. But these fans asking for any two of Basallo/mayo/kjerstad are out of their minds. If for no other reason that no other team would offer anything close to that so that’s not his market. I understand tigers fans wanting to rebuild entirely in one move but no team can accommodate that.
I think the O’s would definitely trade at least one of their top 3 prospects for Skubal — most likely Mayo — plus maybe Kjerstad + others. I highly doubt they would trade Holliday and Mayo or Basallo and Mayo.
Then you’d be keeping Skubal. And the suffering will continue until you can draft and develop some major league hitters. Detroit is not bad now. But a Kjerstad, Stowers, Norby and a lottery ticket would immediately put 3 major league hitters with control on your team right now. 18 years combined control for 2.5. That’s probably as good an offer as will be had for him.
they ae not giving them away- and Ortiz and Hall got a year of Burnes, i just do not see the yankees having the pieces to pull off a trade even with Jones.
The Os are likely starting their offer with Kjerstad and have plenty to put behind him in the offer. The Dodgers (whom i do not know their system as well) has the bullets to make a similar offer. The yankees just do not have enough behind Jones to compete for Skubal. His window is also good for the Os who likely are fine to let him walk while hoping to have internal stuff coming along. They want to be able to compete while their core is stil cheap.
Skubal gives them 3 playoff runs. It would have to start with either Basallo/Mayo followed by either Cowser/Kjerstad and then go from there.
3 of them, Andy. It has to he an unfair deal to even consider.
Bowden had proposed mayo kjerstad povich earlier today, which is close to what i had thought originally that it would take. Normally i would say not to trade skubal, but that deal seems like it really could help both teams.
Holliday for Skubal. 1 for 1.
No. Holiday and Mayo. Remember, the Tigers don’t need this trade, the O’s do.
It has to he an unfair deal to even consider.
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I hear this a lot, and about half the time, the price goes down as time goes by. There was a point where both Boyd and Fulmer were worth acquiring. They were worthless very quickly.
Holliday is a non-starter. They’d rather package three others than him. Same with Basallo.
Trading Cowser weakens the OF defense considerably. Nearly positive they won’t consider including him.
The Tigers don’t need to do anything. But the Orioles are a good team. The Tigers are not.
You don’t know what they want to do.
@Joe Boyd never had a season comparable to Skubal’s last 3. Fulmer’s rookie season was comparable to Skubal but it was only season that was comparable. And even then Fulmer simply was not the pitcher Skubal has been.
They really don’t. Best record in the AL in first place, still way ahead of schedule on their rebuild and Bradish Wells and Bautista come back at various points in 2025. Yes trying to win this year is great but overpaying is not Elias’ style. He can’t other, slightly lesser arms for much less. With Burnes and Rodriquez they don’t need an ace. Plus maybe just maybe Skubal’s first half is an aberration.
In any case there is absolutely no chance they are trading Holiday and virtually no chance they trade Mayo. Anything else is possible.
Boyd was never a Cy Young candidate. He’s was more of a guy with potential to be much better. Fulmer had a great rookie season that was much better than expected then got hurt. Skubal is much more like Verlander. He’s achieving expectations and is far better than either Fulmer or Boyd.
Tigers are the 2022 O’s. Nobody thought they were a good team either until they won 101 in 2023. Most pundits assumed the Tigers had a better team than the O’s in 2022 because the O’s lost 110 games in 2021 and the Tigers played over .500 ball 2nd half of the season. How soon O’s fans forget.
When did you replace Elias as the GM?
None of us can say it won’t happen with absolute certainty dude. We’re just fans who love our teams and we’re biased in our opinions about our own players. You think the O’s prospects are gold plated and I think Skubal is. IF there is a trade then one set of fans will be wrong. We’ll find out before July 30th.
I do not see the Tigers as the 2022 Orioles. Not at all. They have some good players but not close to what the Orioles had then and have now.
The Os can walk away too. They can pivot to other arms like Crochet, Tyler Anderson, one of the Blue Jay arms, or even Dylan Cease if the Padres sense reality setting in.
Crochet isn’t going to help the Orioles in October. Anderson is outperforming his FIP by a large amount I wouldn’t trust him.
It makes sense for both teams to work out a deal it really does.
Still a light offer.
It would have to match or exceed Juan Soto to the Padres deal.
Never happen. Way too light.
Prospects flame out of become AAAA players.
No team would trade a proven, young All Star, Cy Young favorite with 2 1/2 years team control on a low salary for 1 over hyped minor league prospect.
Anyone wanting to acquire an Ace #1 young starter cannot be taken players off the table or they won’t get Skubal.
Tigers are not under any pressure to trade him.
The Tigers are now rated one of the better farm systems.
They are a team on the rise.
A blockbuster Skubal deal could fast forward their rebuild a few years, but it is not mandatory unless a team blows them away with an offer they cannot refuse.
Corbin Burnes is walking as a free agent at the end of the year so not “going for it flushes the top young players they already gave to the Brewers down the toilet.
That is the motivation.
Orioles have a window and path to the World Series.
It does not come around that often for most teams.
When it does, you have to go for it.
Crochet is on an innings limit and will go to the bullpen in the 2nd half
Get a grip. First half and aberration!!!
Do you watch baseball at all? If the Orioles want to win….pay up
So you expect to get a top 3 pitcher in baseball for 2.5 seasons for less than your top prospects who are unproven at the highest level? Skubal isn’t moving for spare parts
Not gold plated, but the system is. They have a knack for developing hitters – which really is what Detroit needs.
Boyd never had a season comparable to Skubal’
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Absolutely no doubt about that, but I was here when the Tiger fans were posting that they’d rather keep Boyd and Fulmer than trade them for a non-premium package.
IMO, once you decide on trading someone, trade them. Their trade value seldom increases.
top prospects who are unproven at the highest level?
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Just as a general complaint, all top prospects are unproven at the highest level. The entire point of trading veterans is to plan for the future. Trading a proven veteran for a proven veteran would make no sense for the Tigers.
Of course it makes sense for both teams, and I do see the O’s probably willing to trade one of Mayo or Basallo, though not both of them. I doubt they trade Holliday but it could happen if the rest of the package is guys outside their top 4 or 5. But if the Tigers start demanding two of Holliday, Mayo and Basallo plus other top prospects the O’s will move on to other options.
Dylan Cease is not going anywhere.
If anything, the Padres could be buyers for Flaherty or another addition
Padres are tied for a Wild Card slot in the NL..
Question is: do they have the pitching prospects that are fairly close to major league ready to include in a deal? LA can put Bobby Miller and two top pitching prospects and even throw in Dustin May or Tony Gonsolin as both should be healthy in ‘25. Not to mention others who may be 3 or 4 years away. Detroit improves their prospect count and minor league system immensely.
Miller, yes. But May and Gonsolin not too appealing in terms of injury, prone-ness.
Pitching prospects is what is in the Dodgers favor if a trade happens especially if they also trade Flaherty
The Tigers need offense the need hitting prospects. If the Tigers trade Skubal a big if it’s probably going to have to be a clear overpay. Skubal is controlled for the next 2.5 years the Tigers don’t need to trade him so it’s going to be costly. These oughta be enough deals aren’t getting it done. The Orioles are going to have give one of their top 3 prospects plus more to have a chance at getting Skubal. I just don’t see Elias doing what it will take for the Tigers to move Skubal.
It would be Mayo/Norby or Mayo/Kjerstad…Mayo would have to be in it.
O’s have RHSP Chayce MdDermitt @ AAA and LHSP Cade Povich. along with major league ready hitters/position players that the Dodgers just don’t have.
Sorry, but Spencer Jones can’t touch Holliday or Mayo if either is the headliner for Skubal.
Jones is still only tools and imagination, with an identical “meh” 104 wRC+ in both last and this years AA season. He also has a ghastly 37.1 K%.
I know trying out giant bodies is a current copy cat act in baseball, but they also come with massive strike zones. As a Yankee fan, I see SJ as having a low probability of panning out as desir d and much prefer the projection of Dominguez.
You forget the added 40% increased hype requisite for all Yankees prospects. Spencer Jones is the greatest prospect on the planet until he proves otherwise.
Padres get in the mix all put Leo de Vries or Ethan Salas in there
The padres can make any deal because when they sell the entire farm the farm grows back in a year or 2
23 years old in AA struggling. Holliday is 20 and Mayo 22 both destroying AAA pitching
The majority of his value comes from being a tall Yankee prospect like Aaron Judge
I think the O’s may be in a better spot prospect-wise than the Dodgers as the O’s have position players galore and the Tigers need offense badly
Both are top end systems, Os skew more hitters, but the dodgers have a ton of MLB ready pitching that can get teams excited. River Ryan would be interesting.
If the Dodgers had a ton of mlb ready pitching then they wouldn’t be trying to trade for every pitcher on the market.
which explains what little you know
Dodgers are having FOUR rookies start the first FIVE games after the All-Star Break. Dodgers can’t go with an all rookie rotation or even 2 or 3 of them in the playoffs.
duh
If the Dodgers pitching prospects are so MLB ready then why aren’t they on the MLB squad with all their injuries they’ve had? No thanks, I’ll take Orioles bats over possible pitching all day. That’s what we need, we have pitching on the way, and some already on the roster (Gibson-Long, Briske, etc)
two of them ARE in the rotation (Knack & Wrobleski) with another coming up for a spot start against the Giants. (River Ryan).
Dtownwarrior78;
B I N G O !!!!!!!!
The Dodgers are in the same group as the Yankees and Padres in having their prospects ridiculously overrated.
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I watched their series with the Phillies a week or so ago. What a realization……
Position player wise – yes, they brough along Will Smith , and Austin Barnes is a nice backup at C. But they paid for Freeman and Ohtani in FA. Mookie was going to leave Boston anyway. Of the prospects they gave the Red Sox only one – Wang (a catcher) – has turned out to be a quality ML player…but hardly a star. Verdugo is nothing special. (Along those lines since they love to develop catchers – which I think is the most important player on a baseball team – they sent Keibert Ruiz over to the Nationals for the Turner / Schurzer run in 2021. Ruiz is like Wong – decent, respected, but not really a force; while the pitcher the Dodgers sent over (Josiah Gray) has a 4.84 ERA in 386 innings).
Point being that when I got past the top 3 guys in the Dodgers lineup (Mookie was out injured), I saw a bunch of guys that were supposed to be star players in the making that weren’t any better the the last 6 position players on at least 20 of the other MLB teams. The best of the lot was 87 year-old Teoscar Hernández that both Toronto and Seattle dumped.
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Then we get to the pitching. I’m trying to figure out how long I’ve heard that Bobby Miller is the next great Dodgers pitcher. And yes, just like they do in Tampa Bay where Andrew Friedman came from – the team is pitching in a way that results in the players that do the best getting injured over and over. Hummm. Think maybe with all the expensive state-of-the-art equipment and medical thinking around a billion dollar business like MLB, that there would be a way of working with pitchers a franchise has under contract that could keep them healthy? And it’s often not just a multi-million dollar investment, but often a multi-HUNDRED-million dollar investment. Think someone somewhere near to top of the business side of the organization is asking why so many costly players can’t pitch?
Do we really wonder why the Dodgers wilt in the playoffs?
Strange times.
Reese Olson MLB
Jackson Jobe and Ty Madden and others in the pipeline and on the way/
Padres prospects are not “ridiculously over rated”.
Players they sent to DC for Juan Soto update
1) CJ Abrams on the NL All Star team in early 20’s.
2) LHSP McKenzie Gore is Nats #1 Starter
3) OF James Wood was #1 prospect in MLB
hitting AAA pitching very hard and recently promoted to Nats.
4 of the Padres top prospects went to the Nationals in that Soto Deal
Others are in Nats farm system and on the way.
Padres prospects traded have performed at high level for acquiring teams. See Juan Soto deal.
Padres also traded Trey Turner, Rizzo and many other players that became stars on their new teams.
Ozzie Smith? Roberto Alomar? Sandy Alomar Jr? Carlos Baerga? the list is very long and decades long.
Dodgers system is the worst its been in many years. Not sure they can do this and they certainly can’t beat a serious Orioles offer.
you’re right. Tigers should trade for some 1965 Dodger prospects.
Its not who has the best system. It’s who’s willing to make the best offer.
I think there’s a reason River Ryan is being called up to pitch in the upcoming series against SF. LA defiant has the pitching depth. I’d be shocked if Baltimore moved Holliday.
Hopefully, the Dodgers, Friedman, and Gomes give the Tigers a blank check for what they want and who they want to dump on the Dodgers. Maeda? Baez? Whomever…
Fingers Crossed!
Baez in Dodger Blue!
Dodgers don’t have the players to do a Skubal deal.
Speaking as a Red Sox fan … I’ll take Nate and or J.T ( from cubs) if it means keeping Big 3 Prospects.. for me not a big enough sample size for him or Crochet to give up two of them…Sale trade back in day was different.. Sale had a enormous track record..
If someone is willing to sell the farm for him, by all means trade him. He’s going to go for some very huge money when he’s a F.A. If he was 23, I’d say keep him. Jobe is the guy the Tigers need to have forever, so save the money for him.
Some of these trade proposals for a team’s 4th-10th best prospects are ridiculous.
They are assuming the Tigers are desperate to trade him. They most certainly are not, and they know what they have, which is a burgeoning team lead by the best LHP in baseball.
The Tigers have 100% of the leverage and more than a dozen teams interested. It will take a top ten prospect, two top 100s, and more to get Skubal, anything less probably won’t get the deal done.
Well said Skiiggy.
It will take a lot more than that
Look at the Juan Soto to the Padres deal when Soto still had 2 1/2 years team control.
SS CJ Abrams just made All Star team
OF James Wood top #1 hitting prospect in the top 100
just promoted to majors
LHSP MacKenzie Gore now the Nats #1 Starter
CF prospect Robert Hassell III
+ 2 more prospects.
The Padres gave their top 4 prospects and players plus 2 more highly rated players/prospects.
The Padres gave up too much in that deal, and look at the crap that they got back from the Yankees for Soto lol
anything less probably won’t get the deal done.
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So you are advocating to hold on to Skubal, even though the Tigers are an underdog to make the playoffs this year or next year?
Its a little early to be predicting next year.
Its a little early to be predicting next year.
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But that’s what life is made of. In fact, I believe one of the most important duties of a GM is to make realistic assessments of the near future.
If the Tigers make the playoffs in 2025, how much will it hurt to have Holliday instead of Skubal. Or, if the miss the playoffs in 2025, and Holliday performs like a 70 FV is expected, how much will it hurt to have only one year left of Skubal?
100% advocating hanging on to Skubal. If the Tigers front office thinks they cannot make the post season in 2025 then they have utterly failed as an organization.
They have a better chance of getting to the playoffs with Skubal than without. They can sign free agents or make other trades this year to fill holes.
Chirs Illitch doesn’t need to save any money.
Skubal would instantly make the Os favorites to win it all. It will take Holliday plus to get that trade done. Tigers could be decent next year with Skubal, get Carpenter back, Jung, Jobe, maybe Tork figured it out. Flaherty might bring in a shortstop.
LOFL, the deal will not include Holliday.
then the Tigers don’t need to make the deal.
Nobody *needs* to make this deal. The Tigers will still get a ton of surplus value without Holliday in the package. A player’s ranking within an org has nothing to do with net present value.
Agree, no Holliday, NO DEAL! Orioles would also need to include (at a minimum) Mayo & “Povich plus others TBD
Truth!! We definitely be in the driver’s seat as far as Skubal is concerned.
There will not be a deal. Skubal won’t be traded.
Holliday 1 for 1. That’s fair.
Holliday for Skubal would have sounded pretty sexy two-three months ago. But until anyone is 100% certain Holliday hasn’t gone into a shell, that won’t work.
He has a 944 OPS as a 20 year old at AAA.
Cowabunga dude!!!!
@Blackpink The odds of a 1 for 1 trade are unlikely. If it’s Holliday any other pieces likely to be far less significant. If Tigers and O’s are seriously entertaining moving these 2 adding low end prospects to get the deal done is not going to be a sticking point.
Holiday is a prospect.
Skubal is proving it at the ML level.
I remember the White Sox trading for #1 prospect Moncada. A one for one works for ML players. Keep Holiday. Detroit will take Gunner. 1 for 1.
Henderson is better than Skubal and has more years of team control. That’s a dumb proposal.
Holliday is the number 1 overall prospect in baseball. He’s nearly guaranteed to he a good big leaguer and perhaps will be a star. And you get him for 6 plus years instead of 2 plus with Skubal.
You have to know that you aren’t getting Gunnar for Skubal. And probably not Holiday either.
You have an outstanding trade chip, but the market on 70 FV prospects is extremely limited. I don’t think the NYY are close. The RS have more than the NYY, but aren’t giving up more than one of their top-3. SD might finally be low-ish on prospects.
How many other targets do you see out there?
That’s not that great for the Tigers. Basallo with Mayo is probably more fair but the Tigers will want more, and that’s not unreasonable. But then the Orioles might ask for more players, too.
Give ’em Baez!!
It’s not fair. Pitching costs especially this year. Some of the deals I’ve seen websites throwing around have even suggested the Tigers ask for Holliday, Mayo and Beavers (?)…I think it was Beavers.
I think the package starts with Holliday or Mayo and Basallo plus two more prospects.
I would take Holliday over Mayo and Basallo for sure. Especially considering the Tigers team needs.
Tigers can play tough but if they want to deal him they gotta do it soon he will never ever be more valuable. I think the Tigers might want to see if they can win a few more games in the next 10 days but if they don’t trading Skubal makes sense.
Right (sarcasm).
An overrated minor league prospect who bombed his 1st time in MLB for the best LHSP in baseball?!
What have you been drinking or smoking?!
And you wouldn’t happen to have any extra, now, would ya?
Dude. He’s 20. And now the ship is righted. He’s dealing in AAA. The O’s develop hitters. You need hitters. If not Skubal, there are certainly plenty of other pitchers out there.that would like to drink at the trough of the O’s system. As good as Skubal is, the O’s really need a tough 3rd pitcher after Burnes and Rodriguez to have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.
So Flaherty 2.0 which comes at a much lower cost.
I agree in order for the Tigers to make a deal it will take Holliday plus for the Tigers to do it. I don’t see Elias doing that but that’s what it’s going to take for Skubal.
1 for 1. If the Orioles are offering the number 1 prospect in all of baseball they don’t need to add to the deal. 1 for 1 both teams would be better off for it.
They do if they want Skubal Harris is going to want more that’s why this deal isn’t done. Holliday for Skubal is probably a fair trade but Harris wants to be blown away to move their ace with control.
Then they can keep him
Skubals value will never be higher. Never.
Tigers are not in the beginning of a rebuild. Skubal still has value to the team. So keeping Skubal with an eye on contending next season is no way the end of the world. He ll stay have alot of value at next year’s deadline if they re sellers. And having best LHP in MLB for a playoff push if they re buyers is kind of encouraging.
Tigers simply are bargaining from a position of strength with any team interested in Skubal.
For two and a have years of ace lefty that #1 isn’t going to be enough.
The Tigers don’t NEED to trade him but if Baltimore wants to make a serious run at the WS getting Skubal would certainly go a long way..
It’s going to cost Holiday and Mayo plus or don’t bother calling.
I’m sure Baltimore will have plenty of other chances in the future to get an allstar lefty pitcher…. right?
I disagree Blackpink there will be a lot more teams in the market for Skubal in the offseason especially if he finishes strong. It’s a risk but if he finishes strong Cy Young type finish then he’s not losing any value. The half a season less control will be mitigated by the extra teams in the mix.
3 postseason runs is way more valuable than 2. The teams that are in the mix now are the only ones that have the prospects to get him anyways. No team in baseball makes more sense than the Orioles for Skubal. The time to make a trade is now not later.
The Tigers are not at the beginning of a rebuild. While yes for the O’s the time is perfect to trade for Skubal and then are a great fir. The Tigers simply do not have to trade Skubal right now.
It’s not a fair trade. Skubal is a young candidate and has been the best pitcher in baseball (based on statistics) for the last year. Holiday is a prospect!! Harris will NEVER make a one-for-one trade.
Mike Elias is working on a package with multiple players.
No one is off the table or no deal.
Because prospects never fail in the majors, right? You’re getting a proven MLB ace. It’ll take more than Holiday by himself
Risky seeking Skubal.
Can’t see Os POBO Elias trading for him. Coming off back to back years of shortened seasons due to injury. Good chance he’s done by late August whether by DL stint or innings restrictions program similar to a Crochet.
Orioles need a middle rotation guy anyways; not a one or 2. Toronto’s Bassitt, to me, meets that criteria; that’s if the Orioles priority is winning the WS this year.
If the tigers were willing to trade him I think Baltimore would be the better fit
But does Baltimore want him? Injuries over past couple of years have limited his innings pitched. Is he durable? Heck will he make it to late August?
An inter division trade with Toronto for Chris Bassist instead?
Right now in this moment the Orioles r 20 +/- games above 500. Who knows what lies ahead in seasons to come? Legit WS champ contender this year.
They’ve got a 1 in Burnes, a 2/3 in Rod, 4/5 in Kremer and a couple of 5/long relievers that make up their rotation. Get a durability guy with experience that’s not gonna be on the DL (or on an innings restrictions count) by mid September. A 3/4 Bassitt type fits the need. Pricey by Os standards but gi fir it.
As a Tigers fan I would absolutely HATE to see Skubal go, but if the Orioles make the right offer we really need to do so. And by the “right offer” I mean 3 or 4 of the following players. J. Holiday, S. Basallo, C. Mayo, Jordan Westburg, Colton Cowser or Heston Kherstad. If that’s not the offer, hang up the phone politely.
Ah yes, the ol’ FV70 + 55 + 50 package.
LOFL, lay off the video games.
You can laugh, but there is no way Harris is trading Skubal to the O’s without trading at least 3 top O’s prospects. As Harris has said publicly he isn’t trading Skubal unless he is overwhelmed by an offer. Less that what DTownwarrior78 suggests will not be overwhelming. This is why Skubal likely stays a Tiger at the deadline.
Anyone thinking they’ll get a value-fpr-value trade for Skubal is kidding themselves. It has to be overwhelming and one-sided.
Whether they are the O’s top prospects is irrelevant. That’s not how FOs calculate value, including the Tigers.
tigerdoc616;
Feel better?
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Welcome to social media.
If the Tigers keep Skubal he is GUARANTEED to be less valuable moving forward. This is Skubals peak value for sure 1000%. The Tigers probably need to consider that.
The Padres including 4 of their absolute top prosects from their top rated farm system + 2 others in the deal with the Nationals for 2 1/2 years of Soto.
The Orioles will have to match that deal or surpass it or no deal.
The Padres including 4 of their absolute top prosects
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Never cherry-pick trades using trades that worked out really well. Nobody but Preller would’ve made that trade.
Why don’t you look up the actual STATS there chief. And while your doing that genius, why don’t you look up how many of Scott Boras’s clients (I’ll tell you he’s the agent for Skubal since you sound like you know little) actually sign before hitting free agency? The Tigers most likely will watch him book and all they’ll get is a competitive balance pick in the next draft. You’ll be the same goof that’s pissing and moaning when that happens as well.
Dtownwarrior78;
I saw your trade proposal above. I think it’s a good one, especially for the Tigers.
However, with the players you mentioned, to be a bit more realistic the Tigers would have to add one young player to that mix……
25 year-old Miguel Cabrera.
Only a moron would think that package is put together. Get a clue. Westburg will not be moved, at the very least. You don’t trade your 2nd best hitter at the deadline while trying to upgrade. That’s stupid. That then leaves five names. You’re basically advocating the O’s empty their top 5 prospects, while ignoring that even the O’s #5 is better than most orgs’ #1. In fact, you look greedy. The Tigers could net a great package of Basallo, Stowers, Norby, and two lower level guys and that would be more than fair – and help the Tigers. Either that, or Holliday for Skubal straight up. Maybe Holliday and Stowers just to sweeten the pot.
So many people keep saying holliday for skubal, but detroit says no to that 1 for 1 for sure. There have been 65-70 grade propsects who havent become superstars, but skubal is top 5 mlb sp now, still young, and there for three playoff runs.
The real package would more likely be two 55 and one 50.
And the orioles 5th ranked propsect is norby, who wouldnt be the top prospect in anyones system unless it was bottom 5 system maybe.
I am saying Holliday for Skubal 1 for 1. Not sure anyone else is.
3 playoffs runs for Baltimore. But what is that for Detroit maybe 1 playoff run?
This is why trades happen.
Ma4170 – nonsense. Norby is a plus bat, major league ready, middle infielder with corner outfield experience. He’s basically Westburg but without the MLB stats. He’d be damn good in any other system too.
Also Skubal has injury history, so he’s not just an immutably good pitcher. His experience is still limited. O’s should overpay, but not by much.
@sewald you may like norby a lot but hes a 50 grade prospect whos not in the top 100. Hes not that special in terms of prospect trade value.
Tigers have their 2nd baseman of the future already locked up and having a nice rookie year.His name is Colt Keith .
They have OFs and Ultility guys who play multiple positions. They have no need for Norby and won’t take spare parts for a serious AL: Cy Young contending LHSP).
Take a look at Baltimore’s minor leagues genius! They have TWO prospects that can take the place of Westburg. And you’d be amazed at what a team like BALT will give up for a Cy Young pitcher with two and a half years of control left! They are a cheap organization and hate paying their players. Always have been. So to get a damn near automatic win every fifth day? If DET holds on till the day of the deadline, you will see what they can get. And for Skubal, it’ll be a HAUL!
Dtownwarrior78;
So what? Just cause the O’s have the strongest farm system in MLB they should overpay? Why? What do they owe the Tigers?
They can get Eric Fedde from the White Sox that’s controlled through 2025 for a fraction of that price you want. Put an experienced pitcher like that in front of that stellar defense, pitching to those 2 catchers that are running the game, with possibly the most explosive offense in MLB supporting him, and the man’s going to win 80-90% of the games that Skubal would pitching for the O’s…….at 20-25% of the player cost in trade.
This is a silly article full of absurd proposals. It’s hysterical!.
The orioles have not always been afraid to spend. That statement is asinine and shows you don’t follow them. the last 10 years or so, maybe.
Then go trade for Fedde or Crochet or even Flaherty?? The O’s owe the Tigers nothing, and the Tigers owe just as much to the O’s.
It’s the O’s and Dodgers and Yankees and whoever else coming to the Tigers here. Tigers have 100% of the leverage and they do NOT want to trade Skubal. The Tigers FO believes they will be a play off team in 2025, and they are correct in thinking so.
Why is it absurd? The baseball writers on web sites are suggesting these names. We’re just fans and biased towards our team. I’m going to say Skubal is worth more and you will say the O’s prospects are worth more 😉 Baseball writers are a little more unbiased than us. Great chats on here though with some good ideas on both sides. Cheers dude.
This is a silly article full of absurd proposals.
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I agree. Skubal is the best available, but his numbers are similar to Crochet, and he is twice as good as Fedde, Eovaldi, Flaherty, etc.
None of these trade proposals are happening. I wouldn’t trade Holliday 1-1 except for the fact that Gunnar is already in place as the O’s SS.
laughable low ball offers that won’t even get you Skubal if you were playing fantasy bb.
Keep Stowers. I like Meadows as an all around player more than him by a long shot. It would take either Basallo or Mayo along with Holliday in order for the Tigers to consider moving Skubal
Not one pitcher in the group. Are the Tigers that deep in top pitching prospects?
The Tigers top prospect is probably a pitcher Jackson Jobe. They need offense though more than anything. The Orioles are a better fit than the Dodgers but still I don’t think either team will pony up what Harris wants.
The Tigers do have the highest rated pitching prospect according to MLBs top 100
Holliday or Westburg definitely. Not both, though. Westburg, Kjerstad and maybe Mayo.
Stupid. Only an idiot would include Westburg.
That’s a fair trade, but I’d drop Kjerstad and try my best for Cassalo. He’s going to be a stud!
The Orioles aren’t trading Westburg he’s a vital piece of the team right now and not easily replaced.
The Tigers aren’t getting three of those guys unless they add on their side. I actually think Holliday is more valuable to DET than the Os, because he’s going to be a leadoff OBP machine and a solid SS. The Os have Gunnar and there’s a non zero chance that Bradfield will be their leadoff guy.
In terms of fit, Cowser and Hollliday would help DET a lot. But that’s too much for Skubal and the Os could also spare a Fabian or Beavers.
So Cowser, Holliday and Beavers for Skubal, Owen Hall (just drafted) and Foley? Three position player improvements for the Tigers and two arms for the Os, plus a high end pitching prospect.
See Above. You are undervaluing Skubal and overvaluing O’s prospects.
Prospects are just prospects until they establish and prove themselves at the major league level.
Some flame out.
Some become AAAA players
Some underperform in MLB.
Some underperform in MLB.
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That doesn’t make any sense to me. Even Skubal is not guaranteed for injury over the next 2.5 seasons. Looking for a guarantee means there is no chance of trading him.
Yea Harris tells you to kick rocks.
Bro – the O’s wouldn’t even make the call to begin with.
Not a problem. The Orioles want to get a bargain and hold on to their prospects. There are other lesser pitchers they can acquire.
Jones does not make my putter flutter if you’re discussing Skubal. The Yankees don’t have anywhere near the currency to make that kind of trade.
I wouldn’t waste my time with the Dodgers either.
Now, the O’s? Make me an offer and don’t insult my intelligence.
@warnbeeb I think the orioles will get crochet, they should be able to put a nice offer together. Crochet might be like Boyd, and you sell him before he gets hurt especially because the white sox aren’t going anywhere for awhile. Anderson probably ends up with the dodgers because he most likely won’t have a rotation spot next year and can be the long man when everyone comes back. Skubal has has three solid years and is 27. He’s not going to be cheap
If there’s any chance you get Skubal, you don’t even consider Crochet. The Os can wow DET and get a Game 2 or 3 starter. Skubal is worth rolling the dice on offering very high ceiling prospects. Crochet is more a couple of 50 grade guys.
Of course, you can go for both. The Os have the prospect capital.
Crotchet is coming off injuries has never pitched 100 innings in a season and will be in the bullpen in the 2nd half.
Let me save you the time and forewarn you in advance that you’re likely going to have your intelligence insulted.
The O’s office isn’t going to give up a ton for a guy who had flexor tendon surgery two years ago. Also, he’s reaching his career limit on innings pitched. Also, he’s a Boras client, so our chances of resigning him in two years are roughly the same as yours. I’m not saying that Skubal isn’t great. We’d love to have him. But, based on Baltimore’s history, I don’t think they’re going to overpay for Skubal.
If that is how they look at Skubal, then why even ask for him. We Tiger Fans, and hopefully Harris too, want to hold on to him. Harris is doing a fine job building from within. They don’t need to trade him; it is other teams calling Harris. If the O’s management don’t like the terms, they can move on to their next best option.
We could all save some time. There is no chance Skubal gets traded.
How much did the Orioles pay for just one year of Corbin Burns?!
2 top prospects and a competitive balance pick.
Skubal has 2 1/2 years of control and can pitch in 3 pennant races and playoffs years.
The price for Skubal should be at least double than the price for Burnes.
The logic of 2x or 2.5x Burnes is reasonable, but most forget that both Ortiz & Hall were no longer top-100 prospects pre-2024. Ortiz topped out at #95 by BA,and not rated by BP. Hall was already relegated to BP duties.
So you’re saying that, just like other teams prospects, Hall being rated highly didn’t guarantee him success just because he was in the Orioles’ system? That is a good precautionary example of why prospect Holiday won’t be enough to acquire Skubal by himself.
What I am saying is that Hall was already an RP. In terms of what MIL got for one year of Burnes, recency counts. So BA got someone marginally in the top-100, and someone else that was maybe top-150, in exchange for one year of Burnes.
2 highly rated prospects plus and extra competitive balance draft pick for Burnes.
The hitter the Brewers received is now one of their top offensive players.
As an O’s fan, my gut feeling is that Skubal isn’t coming here. The O’s tightly guard the farm and are paranoid about trading prospects. Skubal is having an amazing year but he’s approaching career limits on innings and has an injury history. That doesn’t help chances of a trade to Baltimore.
Its hard to tell with new management, but I’d bet the ranch that they’ll trade for a solid number three guy to back up G-Rod and Burnes. They’re conservative and safe and they’ll still overpay, but they won’t give up the farm.
I agree. The O’s don’t overpay for anyone, even though they have an abundance of talent in the system. In fact, I think they’re a long shot to re-sign Burnes , if they even make an offer in the offseason.
The Os won’t sign Burnes because they covet the QO picks for Burnes and Santander.
Dominate the 2025 draft and trade for a pitcher to help in 2024 and 2025. The 2025 draft is where they build the next wave of young studs as the current ones enter free agency.
Smart Executives take advantage when they have a clear path to the World Series.
In a few years, more teams will be getting better including the Rays and Red Sox.
Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Pass up a clear shot at the WS that might not be available every year.
That’s why I think the question of whether the Os sign Burnes is totally different from this year’s trade deadline. They have a clear shot this year and will move to strengthen 2025 on the assumption that Burnes will leave.
My point is that the Os can offer a lot of prospect capital and replenish in the 2025 draft.
@mike most likely he’s not getting moved. white sox might move crochet wouldn’t cost as much or atleast they might be willing to take quantity. Anderson makes the most sense they can move him with money and a reliever for norby or mayo.
I agree but hope you’re wrong. Prospects are JUST prospects until they prove themselves. Thousands or prospects never pan out, even the highly touted ones. There should be no untouchables in the minors. My guy to hang onto though is Mayo. Just like Westburg is proving to be a Great all around player, I think Mayo is the next guy.
@ Mike — I think your assessment it about right, but Skubal and the new Ownership might be the exception to the Norm of the Orioles FO.
I could see a Mayo, Povich, Stowers, and lower guy(s) going in a trade.
The Orioles do have Cade Povich and Seth Johnson on the 40 man, with full options available. Seems the Tigers would need a Pitcher going back.
O’sSay, I don’t see that offer overwhelming Detroit enough to get Skubal who they do not have to trade. It would take a much stronger second bat than Stowers in my opinion.
I would agree if BALT was still just barely making the postseason. But with a top 3 of Burnes, Skubal and Grayson Rodriguez, they would be WS favorites immediately.
That’s a serious 1-2-3. But I’m telling you that the O’s are notorious penny pinchers and any player that they take in a trade has to go through a draconian medical exam. And again, they guard their prospects to a ridiculous extreme. I think Detroit is fair to try and drain someone for their ace, but I don’t think the O’s will be the team.
If I’m wrong, we’ll find out in a week or two. Who knows with the new ownership? Rubenstein is definitely NOT Angelos and seems like a fun guy who wants to win, at least. Maybe he goes all in.
Mike you might be one of the only reasonable people here. The O’s built their team based on scouting a player development, why on Earth would they shift strategy now? The Tigers and O’s are both looking for a bargain, but they won’t find it with one another. Skubal will be a Tiger in 2025.
I agree with your assessment too. I can’t see the O’s giving up what the Tigers will be asking for. It makes for a fun lead-up to the deadline though when there are rumors about a mega deal like this. Cheers dude.
I dont think the orioles need to include holliday but i’m sure one of mayo or basallo plus kjerstad would have to go… and a quality third piece. Skubal is top tier, young, 2.5 years of control. Thats prob what it would take.
I’m an Os fan. It’s a complicated analysis, but I value Holliday BELOW Mayo plus Kjerstad or Basallo plus Kjerstad (Basallo is below Mayo, but with Kjerstad is above Holliday). And I think Holliday may be HOF quality.
In simple terms, with Gunnar, Holliday has less incremental value for the Os than for the other 29 teams. He’s a franchise changer for DET. Getting Skubal requires a WOW deal and no one has traded a 20 yo 1.1. DET would have to send Skubal plus, but Os can offer Holliday plus and keep Mayo, Basallo and all of their remaining Top 10 org prospects.
The Orioles are in a much better position to pull this off if the Tigers want prospects that can contribute next season and beyond. The Dodgers have decent talent throughout their system but nothing a few other teams couldn’t match.
Don’t disagree, however LA is the taker of really bad contracts. That was how they were able to convince the Red Sox to trade Betts (took David Price and his bad contract). Also, the Manny Ramirez deal back in the day. Took Carl Crawford’s bad contract.
The Tigers really don’t need to sacrifice prospect return for teams taking on bad contracts. They’re 25th in payroll. Harris and Ilitch would get skewered if they went this route. Tigers fans have some pretty bad memories of the salary dump deals associated with Verlander/JD Martinez/Castellanos/etc that yielded next to nothing. The Dodgers do have some pitching, but that’s the Tigers strength, so not a good match. Anyone that watches the Tigers knows that they need bats and fielding if they want to compete.
He is talking about Baez specifically
No freaking doubt, my friend. No FREAKING doubt.
The Orioles have talent that might get the Tigers in the playoffs this year without Skubal. I think subtracting Skubal, and putting Holliday at SS and Stowers in CF makes DET a stronger playoff contender THIS YEAR.
Prediction: Crochet to Padres, Luis Robert to Phillies, Fedde to the O’s, Skubal stays put. Dodgers get Flaherty and one of the second-tier pitchers. For all the supposed depth of the Dodgers’ farm, they have two prospects in the top 100. They may have graduated guys, but for teams not looking to compete before at least 2027, why waste half the rookie contracts on the return package during rebuild years?
“…Fedde to the O’s….”
hyraxwithaflamethrower;
I wrote a few long posts yesterday about the sort of starting pitcher I think the O’s will be going after.
Fedde fits to a T. The O’s defense is so good that they just need a ML veteran pitcher that’s healthy to pitch in front of it….and they also have 2 catchers that handle pitchers as well as any catcher in MLB.
I wrote that the O’s could move O’Hearn as well as 2 blocked prospects – Sowers and Norby – in trade. The Sox would have no reason to keep O’Hearn, so they could spin him for 2 more prospects to a contending team needing a LH hitting run-producer that can play 1B, RF or DH.
Also wrote that the O’s would prefer pitcher that’s under contract through 2025. Fedde is.
Sox signed a FA last offseason after pitching a year in Korea. He’s had a good year. They cash in, and get 4 decent prospects back. That’s the way teams start a rebuild.
Perfect.
Norby is exactly the type of prospect the Sox should target in a Fedde trade, too. I think it’d be a win-win, especially since Fedde won’t have the innings limits concerns Crochet has and won’t cost nearly as much.
hyraxwithaflamethrower;
You found the guy that fits.
Hat’s off to you!
P.S. O’s have 2 starting pitchers out with injuries as well as their closer. They’re not trading 2-3 of their top prospects for a player that can wake up tomorrow morning with a sore arm. It could scuttle their entire rebuild.
O’Hearn is literally Hyde’s favorite lefty bat not named Gunnar Henderson. He is more valuable to the O’s than to anyone else.
The O’s will NOT – and let me say this again slowly for those in the back – NOT subtract from the 26-man to get a pitcher.
SewaldSwansonSwoon;
From what I wrote yesterday:
– They can afford to trade O’Hearn as they already have LH bats in Cowser and Kjerstad that can play the corner OF (Cowser can also play CF). Add in that Elias recently said Holliday – another LF bat – will be up for the stretch run, so O’Hearn’s bat is not really needed. If they want an LH bat to play 1B and sit Mountcastle for a game, Santander can be moved in from RF. (O’s plan ahead – Santander has played 1B for them.) –
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Add to that O’Hearns salary – a team option for $7.5m in 2025, and the fact that all the O’s youngsters mentioned above are controlled at low salaries for 6 years. The team plays in a small market where team payroll has to be reasonable to contend for the next 5-8 years – which is the organizations goal.
I don’t think the O’s are trading more than one of their prized prospects, and doubt they do that unless he brings in an established, controlled, inexpensive pitcher…..because they might wind up trading the one that becomes the big star and hold onto one that flops.
And, the O’s can win 100 games and get eliminated in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, again.
Dominating starting pitching wins playoff games and World Series titles.
O’s don’t have enough of it to win it all this year.
Samuel, expecting Holliday to fill O’Hearn’s shoes offensively down the stretch makes me wonder if you even watch Orioles baseball. You are joking, right? No way he has even remotely the same level of impact bat as O’Hearn in that period. Why weaken your offense with a rookie who has already struggled against big league pitching, and why do so at the expense of a veteran clutch hitter that tears the skin off the ball?
Samuel, Why would the White Sox want O’Hearn?
To spin him for 2 prospects.
Easier said than done, Samuel. Why would they want to bother to have the extra hassle?
Just so I can understand the point here, are you saying that how many players ranked in the top 100 determines the depth of a farm system? Rankings are very fluid. See Yordan Alvarez…where was he ranked when he was traded? Just one example, of many, that stands out.
Flaherty to the dodgers for dalton rushing
Torn between Fedde and Bassitt to help Os win the WS this year.
Like Fedde better than Bassitt based on recent outings of both. BUT, and a big but, recent seasonal history screams Bassitt. Much better chance he won’t be on the DL or shutdown by early September. Fedde has never gone beyond 130 +/- innings in a sseason. And this is the issue with guys like Skubal, Crochet and even Gomber as well.
Fedde threw 180.1 innings in the KBO just last year.
Woah. 180 in the KBO. Good to know. Go get him Elias!
Say goodbye to Skubal Tigers fans
…and hello again in spring training 2025 because Tarik will still be a Tiger going into next season.
Only if the Tigers are getting at least 3-4 top young hitting prospects
and a few top young pitching prospects back in a deal:
Mayo, Bassallo, Heston Kerstad and more.
The dodgers don’t have the goods. Baltimore would need to give up one of holiday or Mayo, one of their young major league outfielders and at least of one their lesser young pitchers
For 3 years of a pitcher?
LOL
No.
He’s not going anywhere. He’s a sure thing. Detroit may not go to World Series this year but they have a chance to be good sooner then later
Exactly, I don’t see this as a fit for either team. Why would the O’s trade the farm for Skubal, why would the Tigers trade him for anything less. Answer: neither will.
Because Orioles already gave up 2 top prospects and a competitive balance pick for 1 year of Corbin Burnes.
Because the AL East is usually a very brutal Division and 100 win seasons don’t grow on trees.
Because with 2-3 dominant Starters, the Orioles have a shot a “running the table” and getting a Trophy and rings.
Other than that, no biggie.
EXCEPT Burnes has no innings limit and playoff experience.
So Burnes is going to start every game in the playoffs?
A winning team needs at least 3 dominant frontline starters
to make the WS and win it.
They can win a few games with Burnes and still get eliminated in the other games.
Skubal is worth more than Burnes, I cannot see the savvy O’s putting together the package needed for him. It would hurt them down the line. Ortiz is very replaceable on the O’s roster. Skubal would require Holliday or Mayo and several other significant pieces to get the Tigers attention. O’s aren’t mortgaging their farm for an LHP with an injury history.
The Yankees would have to START any proposal with Dominguez AND Jones.
Short of that, the Tigers wouldn’t even consider it.
Why should they?
The Orioles could get it done, if they wanted to.
Mayo, Basallo, and Kjerstad for Skubal = WS title for the Orioles.
The Tigers would, hopefully, win a title in 2027…
It would take RHSP Chayce McDermitt and LHSP Cade Povich added to that deal.
McDermott and Povich will be at least somewhat available. But the same is true of Seth Johnson, who has an ERA in AA around 2 since May 1 and has a carefully managed workload. A trade partner could easily prefer Johnson.
It’s comical how some fans think they speak (usually with blowhard certainty) for the clubs they follow.
I know Baltimore fans don’t want to hear it and I don’t blame them but they are the only team that has a chance to entice the Tigers into trading Skubal and it will take Holliday to do it. I don’t think Harris is bluffing when he says the Tigers need to be blown away by an offer to trade Skubal. No doubt Basallo, Mayo, Bradfield and Norby are top notch prospects and if Skubal was pitching for the Oakland A’s, some combination of those players would probably do it. But Harris is looking to win now and Skubal is key to doing that so for him to make that gamble it’s going to take Holliday. I guarantee the Tigers don’t trade skubal unless Holliday is involved.
1 for 1. That’s a fair deal and makes sense for both teams.
Harris wouldn’t trade Jobe strait up for Holliday, let alone Skubal for Holliday!
Then Harris is an idiot. He could do a lot more winning with a wider prospect haul. People are too laser focused on Holliday.
Holliday is the number 1 overall prospect in baseball an absolute stud who is basically a sure thing to be good and has the potential to be a star. That’s insanely valuable.
Padres gave up the #1 prospect in MLB OF James Wood, plus a #2 in SS CJ Abrams + LHSP MacKenzie Gore (top of the rotation SP + CF Robert Hassell III + more for
2 1/2 years of Juan Soto.
@Blackpink Skubal is proven at the MLB level and Holliday is not. That is extremely valuable and paramount.
Yes prospects of Holliday’s pedigree are insanely valuable. As is the difference between MLB and AAA curveballs. Prospects even of Holliday’s stature have failed to succeed at the next level.
See Juan Soto to the Padres deal.
Deal included 4 of the Padres top prospects in a highly rated Top 5 farm system at that time.(+ 2 more highly rated prospects).
And one of the prospects the Padres gave to the Nats was
SS CJ Abrams who just played on his first All .Star team,
And the #1 prospect in baseball OF James Wood, plus young Top of the rotation LHSP Mackenzie Gore.
See CF Daz Cameron son of Mike Cameron
and top rated prospect who flamed out for Tigers..
That is why GMs demand and get multiple top rated prospects for established major league All Stars with 2 1/2 years club control.
1-Absolutely -0- people on the entire planet say that prospects are 100% guaranteed.
2-Cameron is a poor choice to cite. He was drafted #37, spent one year on the top-100 list, and wasn’t even drafted by Detroit.
I agree 100%. The Tigers have a serious need at SS that Holliday would fill.. It would be tough to make something else make sense for the Tigers, unless they’re in love with Mayo’s bat and can see him or Jung move over to 1st base. This only works if they’ve given up on Tork. I would think Holliday/Norby/McDermott or Mayo/Basallo/Povich would work from a value perspective, but would be surprised if they moved Skubal without getting Holliday.
The Tigers could net three major league ready everyday players plus another piece. Literally 33% of their lineup turned over in 1 season. The Tigers would be smart to jump on a deal
Exactly
You don’t trade an Ace for ‘everyday’ players, you need to get stars in return. The last time the Tigers traded their ace they got a backup catcher in return. It will take Holliday plus in order to sell this to the fan base.
Fan base is irrelevant.
Fan base pay the bills so they are incredibly important especially if they stop showing up.
Oh, sorry, didn’t realize the fan base is the primary GM consideration in trades.
Fan base and short term and long term team strategies are very important considerations.
Bottom line could take a hit with some fans not showing up if Skubal is dealt until the prospects pan out or not.
As a Tiger fan, I don’t see Skubal going anywhere. The Tigers still are 1-2 years away and Skubal can pitch for the Kitties until 2027. If they aren’t in the serious hunt by then they can trade him then.
Trade Flaherty. He can get the Tigers 2 serious prospects. A top 5 and 25 guy for sure. Harris appears to have gotten a nice piece for Lorenzen last year. His 2 deals that brought Vierling and Malloy are also paying off. Maeda has been a bust. Kelly was a great pickup and I think they can get another AA youngster for him. Dingler is ready for the bigs anyway.
With Olson going down yesterday (how long? TBD) Harris may keep Flaherty and offer the QO after the season. The Tigers don’t HAVE to do much of anything this trade deadline.
Skubal is at his absolute peak value right now. His value can not possibly be higher than today right now. You can trade him later but you won’t get anywhere close to what you would get for him today.
You mean a top 5 and 25 in a team ranking? Because he is not pulling anything close to that if you mean all prospect rankings.
Yes, of a team’s Top 25.
Most Top 25 guys in every team’s system eventually makes the bigs. A Top 5 usually becomes a regular.
Less than 1 in 5 top 100 overall prospects become a MLB regular. Well maybe as a backup or utility guy, but not anyone who regularly puts up league average WAR.
Bingo, Harris will hold to his goals. He has a plan & with the projected pitching staff for next year, even without adding anyone, look awesome. Harris would have to be totally blown away to trade Skubal.
If the Tigers trade Skubal that would be very sad.
Bob Nightengale said this really just means it is not true and will never happen.
Let these guys keep driving up the price. Maybe the Tigers can get Glasnow/Kershaw/Betts/Ohtani, Jones/Dominguez/Judge/Soto/Cole, or the whole Orioles roster for Skubal.
It amazes me how fans from LA and NY think they are entitled to get teams best players for Pennies on the dollar.
@wvsteve #25, #30, in their system and a hot dog vendor sounds reasonable. Skubal is going for a haul probably not worth the ask, and won’t get moved. Boob nightingale will be proven wrong again
It appears to be Orioles fans too , mate.
@cleavergreene yeah it all over the place but it’s going to be a Soto package, and the padres had one of the top farms at the time as well. Most of the teams can’t give them the asking price except the orioles
Cleaver, can it. None of the O’s prospects being listed in this thread are “pennies on the dollar.” Watch a Norfolk Tides game.
It amazes me how fans from LA and NY think they are entitled
========================
And it amazes me when some fans think they can unlimited returns on their guys.
This is legitimately the type of player the Tigers should open up the checkbook for to re-sign and build around. The last two times they let a Cy Young contender go (Scherzer and then Verlander) it ended up being a disaster that set the team back 10 years.
They wasted all that money on Baez. How about actually ponying up to keep someone that’s actually worth top dollar?
As the Tigers front office is saying, the only way they should even consider a trade is if they’re blown away in an offer. And no, Yankees fans, the 73rd best prospect in baseball is not worth anything close to a 27 year-old Cy Young favorite with 2 more years of control. It doesn’t even start the conversation.
Anything that gets Skubal should be more like the package the Tigers gave up to get Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins, that was based around two top 10 prospects in baseball (and the trade still ended up wildly in the Tigers favor, of course. The team that gets the best player usually wins trades. But a trade like that at least gives the selling team a legit chance to come out okay afterwards.)
Skubal to the Dodgers would be bad for him because he’s currently the AL Cy Young frontrunner.
Whole lotta video game GMs from Michigan about to be devastated over the real world return for Skubal.
If a Skubal trade does happen with Baltimore, a whole lotta Oriole fans will also be crying of the steep prospect cost spent.
Screenshot taken, see you in a week.
To tell you the truth, I could care less about either team so I can remain objective. I expect Skubal to remain in Detroit.
I agree Harris is going to ask fir the moon and if he can’t get it he just doesn’t trade Skubal.
You also might be crying as to the lack of a steep prospect cost when/if he does get traded……were not talking about Cy Young here you know……….
Skubal has been the best pitcher in baseball since his return a little over a year ago. He has two years of control left after this season he has enormous value and pitchers with control like him rarely get traded. I don’t see Harris backing off his request.
I doubt it, it’s not like they have to trade or even want to trade Skubal. If they can’t get the overpay they simply don’t trade him. I really don’t think Harris wants to trade him. A team is going to have to make Harris trade him which is why it’s not happening.
If the O’s want a pitcher on the cheap side, Harris might work a deal for Meada.
If the O’s want a pitcher in the medium price range, Harris might, just might work a deal for Flaherty.
But the Tigers just finished taking series from the Dodgers and the Guardians. Harris may just hold them all and try for the Wild Card. Skubal, Flaherty and Olson (if his injury is not season ending) will make a very strong run, even against the O’s lineup. Add in Mize and they can go far. Both teams in last years World Series were Wild Card teams.
I guess trying to buy a World Series usually don’t work out.
Orioles will not kick the tires on Flaherty again. He didn’t appear to fit with the clubhouse.
It would be kind of cool if the O’s turn down Harris and the AL.CS boils down to the Tigers & Orioles.
Keep dreaming
You all are delusional if you think Skubal is valuable enough to get multiple Top 20 MLB Pipeline players.
Max Scherzer and Trea Turner got the Dodgers Top 2 Prospects ranked 55 and 56 in 2021 annd two lesser prospects. And you think Skubal is going to get Holliday and someone else? Skubal would get 1 of the Orioles marque prospects (Basallo, Mayo, Kjerstad). Someone said Westburg earlier with 2 or 3 more of the above with Holliday and Cowser included in the list. Westburg is an all-star 3rd basemen with tons of team control. Cowser is an ROY Candidate. Are yall nuts?
I can see one MLB ready top prospect like Mayo, pitching prospect like McDermott, a current MLB player like Urias/Mateo, and low level prospect. And Tigers would probably have to add a 2nd player to this trade, a low to mid level prospect the Orioles like.
The only thing Jackson Holliday would have to do in this trade or any trade scenario for Skubal is to pack his bags for Baltimore to play 2nd base. Orioles are going to use any trade to package off Urias or Mateo to bring Holliday back up.
Don’t bother trying to talk sense to these teenagers. They don’t even understand pitcher risk vs hitter risk, let alone NPV, surplus value, or comps.
The Os will do Mayo + Cowser + an FV40+ for either Skubal or Crochet + Fedde (likely at the cost of another 40/45 for the latter). Up to DET whether they get that return. Because any other team’s package will be even lighter.
For Skubal, adding Cowser is way too much. A 20HR guy in his Rookie year and a + defender with a MLB Top 15 Prospect? From a historical trade perspective, this kind of value just doesn’t happen, esp MLB ready level of value. Thats why I like replacing Cowser with McDermott.
You middle schoolers have little clue of the value of starting pitching at the trade deadline. Crochet and Fedde, boy that is a hoot. I just thought I would remind you youngsters that Baltimore and LA have called Detroit, not the other way around.
Chris Sale didn’t even get the haul some of y’all think Skubal is going to get. And Sale had like 5 straight Cy Young caliber years in a row and 3 years of team control when he got traded to the Red Sox.
You guys will get ONE Top 20 MLB Prospect from the Orioles in a deal. If you think you are getting two that is just nuts.
For the love of God, John, cite one comp in the modern era that supports your absurd expectations.
Miggy was a triple crown threat, a *batter,* and had a clean bill of health. And you still didn’t give up a 55 like Mayo. /eye roll
Theyll get two top 100, and one will be top 20. They wont get two top 20.
I keep saying it would likely be close to what bowden suggested… mayo, kjerstad (who wasnt a top 50 before promotion but was top 100) and he said povich, which is realistic.
Yes, it seems Tigers fans are just as delusional regarding return as White Sox fans are………
Baltimore fans are really good at overvaluing their prodoects. It costs what it costs and us armchair quarterback fans can think what we like because the only thing that matters is what Elias and Harris think Skubal is worth and we don’t know the answer to that. So no one on either dude is stupid or delusional, we’re just guessing and acting like fans.
And Motor City Beach Bum is really good at overvaluing all things Tigers, and making illogical statements. Just to cover all the bases here when pointing fingers.
You are delusional if you think the Orioles are getting Skubal for 1 top prospects and spare parts LOL!
Google the Juan Soto to the Padres trade for comps.
Skubal trade could surpass that deal.
SportsFan again proves his stupidity.
Skubal does not deserve a Soto haul.
That package wouldnt and shouldnt bring back Skubal.
Why the constant “Yanks might be willing to even include Spencer Jones”!! “. Dude isn’t some super hero.
I mean, I’m a brewer fan and I’m guessing “brewers might be willing to trade Tyler Black” in a deal for an ace too.
Quit putting jones on a pedestal that he doesn’t deserve over other teams top talent they have to offer.
Hey Brat boy….the only reason for the chatter is that the Yankees have been constantly asked about either Dominquez or Jones as the headliners in any trade rumors that get speculated about….just the same as the Dodgers, O’s, Phillies with their talent…..this is just Yankee chatter that probably won’t go anywhere by the trade deadline……nobody is putting Jones on a pedestal……as compared to the talent for example the O’s could assemble is they really want Skubal……
Last highly touted CF prospect the Yankees were saying was a can’t miss Hall of Famer was downgraded substantially and flamed out.
Tyler Black??? Talk about putting someone on a pedestal. The Tigers quickly say no to that. Skubal is definitely worth more.
No another guy that was top rated @ A ball and the next NYY Hall of Famer. Cashman refused to include him in various trades including for Verlander in his prime. Prospect flamed out a few years later and now is not worth much,
The Dodgers could have also made that deal for Verlander… but instead they wanted to lose to the Astros in the WS.
It sucks that injuries to 3 of our starters have put my O’s in the situation to be seeking help, but we do have the assets to make a big move if need be. I trust Elias and company to make the best decision at this point after they have helped drag my O’s out of being the bottom of the division for so long.
Holliday Beavers McDermott and lotto ticket arm.
Tigers throw in McKinstry as a valuable Swiss army knife for a deep playoff run.
Scott Harris LOL and then “click”.
I don’t hate that trade actually.
That’s a pretty fair offer. I might even be willing to do Bright or Nunez as the second pitcher.
If it is not enough for the Tigers, then on to the next target.
Okay someone just envisioned a Tigers vs Orioles ALCS this year in this thread, time for me to eat some Mac N Cheesex, take a hammer to my head, and go to bed.
I would like the Os buying low on torkelson. He has been bad but the Os are also much better at developing hitters than the Tigers and could fix him and turn him into a star.
Os get: tork, skubal, Tigers best reliever
Tigers get: mayo, basallo, McDermott, beavers
That trade only Works if the Os think tork is fixable but if it is it could be a great trade for both.
Os 2025:
Rutschman
Tork
Holliday
Henderson
Norby/westberg
Cowser
Santander
Hays/mullins
Burnes
Skubal
Bradish
Grayson
X
Tigers
Basallo
Mayo
Keith
Shortstop (hopefully mcgonigle in 2026)
Jace jung
Clark
Greene
Beavers
Jobe
Mize
McDermott
X
X
Trade could be great for both teams.
This isn’t fantasy baseball in Maryland.
Skubal’s price just for him would be much higher and not include Tork or a reliever.
You aren’t getting more than Mayo, Basallo, Beavers, and McDermott for just Skubal.
You aren’t even getting that, in fact.
Tigers would get a Soto to the Padres return for Skubal or better or no deal.
If Orioles don’t make and win a World Series in the next 2 1/2 years then they will look back and wish they had made the deal for Skubal.
The Tigers aren’t getting a Soto trade level return for Skubal from anybody, so I guess it’ll be “no deal.”
The Os would have no interest in Tork. They have Mountcastle and OHearn for first. Then they have Adley and Santander as DH.
Burnes is 100% gone at the end of the year.
2.5 yrs of prime skubal should cost a huge package. Skubal’s a good example of a SP taken late in draft (9th round) & developed into cy young type
Degrom was also 9th rd pick. Burnes was 4th rd. Not always about who is first overall. Talent develops, the right coaches can help too
The Orioles are not going to give the Tigers Holliday and Mayo. Ok Skubal is currently and arguably the best pitcher in Baseball. But with this year being his breakout year, there is no successful history to back this season up. If the Orioles started the package with Basallo and added either Stowers or Cowser as part 2 then add Cade Povich and Dylan Beavers and maybe veteran talent like Ramon Urias or Austin Hays. That haul would work just fine. The Tigers want the moon and nobody can blame them for that but in all reality unless a team is desperate and want to overpay than it’s not going to happen. Both LA and the O’s are already two of the top teams without making a deal. They most likely are not desperate.
Exactly. The Tigers fanbois are forgetting that Skubal has zero track record and a bag of injuries to boot.
False. Skubal has the best track record in MLB over the past 2 years according to some baseball commentators and his stats.
SportsFanooooo is totally out to lunch. 80.1 IP in 2023. GTFOH.
Bobby Morgan, why do many Oriole fans make offers and think that is fine? (That haul would work just fine.) It is not your opinion that is going to make a trade happen, Detroit has to be the one satisfied with the return or they just don’t trade him. Yes, the Detroit fans expecting Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo are being unrealistic, but so are many of the Baltimore proposals have also been very unrealistic. Stowers will not ever be the second piece in any Skubal trade.
The Tiger’s need to trade him while the market is crazy. However they want to manage it. Keep Baez, and eat the money while blocking someone they have on the farm. Or ship him out with Skubal, that would still be a cost savings without any prospects. Detroit is drafting high school kids in position players which is saying they like the guys in their system now.
Boras players want the money, and unless Detroit is ready to spend it now, then ship him out. Would the Dodgers take Baez with Skubal ? In a minute. Would they throw in a low A player or two ? Probably. I hope they do it. McKinstry looks good enough to play there everyday, and they open a spot like they did buying Miguel out.
At the end of the day while we remember a lot of guys who played for Detroit, the constants have been the guys that have won it all. With the bringing up of a first baseman they are signaling they are moving Urshella or Canha, or both. If you got a chance to move Baez then by all means do so.
Adding Baez in just reduces the prospect return. They can afford to just cut him or at least bench him. Their payroll is not that high right now.
If the Tigers are going to trade Skubal to the Orioles my gut tells me the deal will be bigger than just Skubal. I think for the Orioles to meet the demands of the Tigers wanting top prospects, they need to get more back from the Tigers. Something along the lines of Skubal, Foley, McKinstry and Chafin for Holliday, Mayo, Cowser and Povich. This deal gives the Orioles one of the top SP’s in baseball, two solid back end of the bullpen RP’s (one lefty and one righty), and a plug and play utility guy. The Tigers get the prospects they desire and the Orioles get the affordable and controllable players to make them the World Series favorites for the next couple of seasons. With this deal, both GM’s can feel as though they won the trade.
The Orioles are not giving up all that talent. Not a chance.
Your gut is wrong,
You want the the Tigers to “gift you” the top LHSP All Star Starter and favorite to win the Cy Young + the Tigers Closer? + another top bullpen piece+ a proven INF/OF starter
for a bag of “magic bean prospects” none of whom have proven any worth at the major league level?!
Those 4 Orioles players/prospects are not even enough to get just Skubal even without the other players.
Put down the bong pipe.
That is truly a “fantasy baseball” trade that would
get Scott Harris and his crew fired the next day.
Lol SportsFan is so unhinged
Let’s just say Skubal finishes strong say he wins the Cy in the AL. He will still have 2 years of control left and he will of quieted the critics about his innings limits. Let’s say he doesn’t win the Cy is narrowly beat out but still throws 175 or so innings of top 3 Cy type ball what would the guy be worth in the off-season. Yea Harris holds all the cards and he knows it. He’s a pitcher so he could blow his arm out at anytime but let’s be real the guy is throws mid to high 90’s heat with sink and his other pitches are plus he’s a monster you usually don’t win by trading guys like that.
If Tigers trade Skubal to Baltimore and don’t demand Holliday, it’s very unfortunate, especially after demanding Jones/Dominez from Yankees. Baltimore didn’t have to give up much for Burnes, and yet the Yankees are expecting to give up top prospects.
They are going to want then a 1-1 Holliday swap.
Stop repeating that nonsense Orioles fanboy trade.
Tigers are not trading Skubal 1 for 1 for any player.
Dream on!
Realistically this is just click bit the Tigers aren’t trading Skubal.
It says that it’s being discussed. Not clickbait.
Didn’t have to give up much? An everyday starting shortstop with full team control that is playing well, their top pitching prospect with full team control, and a back of first round draft pick aren’t much? Yet you think Spencer Jones and his 40% strikeout rate would be a lot? This is why everyone thinks Yanks fans over value their prospects
IMO, Holliday is worth at least two Spencer Jones.
I like Dominguez quite a bit, but he is more like the O’s top 2-5 guys.
Mlbnyyfan – how stupid are you? The three names most discussed here – Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo – ALL rank higher than the highest Yanks prospect mentioned in this thread.
Acquiring team taking on Baez? Oh, please, LET IT BE SO!!
More articles this morning saying there is traction and the Tigers have scouts watching Baltimore’s AAA team. Could just be due diligence.
From a post by Jon Morosi.
I was watching a YouTube video last night and they had Skubals current trade value on trade simulator at 109. I don’t know what Hollidays was but I believe Basallo and Mayo both would be a fair deal to them. 2 for 1.
Tigers don’t need OFers. The Yankees can take their 6-6 K machine and p!$$ off.
For me to accept trading Skubal, the deal would have to be w/the O’s and would require the O’s 1 & 4 prospects or 2 & 3 prospects, along with a pitching prospect, or the O’s 1 & 2. Tigers need to fill SS and 3B (or C) if they’re going to trade their ace.
Holliday 1 for 1 or Basallo and Mayo 2 for 1.
When has a relatively young number 1 starter with 2 plus years of club control left ever been traded and the only return is 1 prospect, no matter how high they are rated?
When has the number 1 prospect in baseball ever been traded?
Torres was. That’s all I can remember.
The Tigers could have more prospects. But Holliday is a stud.
MLB #1 prospect Yoan Moncada was traded along with the #67 Michael Kopech for Chris Sale.
Basbe and Diaz were also traded by Boston in a 4-1 swap.
Ok that’s a reasonable comp for sure. Sale had an extra 4 months of team control and a better track record at that time. The Red Sox also gave up other projects.
I still say Holliday for Skubal 1 for 1 is fair.
I just realized Fangraphs started their top 50 highest trade values list today with numbers 41 through 50. No doubt Holliday and Skubal are on the list. Curious to see who’s higher i bet they are darn close.
MLB #1 prospect Yoan Moncada was traded along with the #67 Michael Kopech for Chris Sale.
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And Sale was on a HOF trajectory.
Padres traded 4 top prospects including a few #1s for
2 1/2 years of Juan Soto.
James Wood also became the #1 prospect before being promoted to the majors this year by the Nats.
Padres gave up 6 players in that deal.
Neither of those lowball offers will even move the needle for the Tigers.
The Tigers can keep Skubal and hope they can contend with him. They are currently below 500 with him performing as the best pitcher in baseball so I don’t like their chances but they can keep him. If they trade him now is the time. Skubals value will never be higher.
Jones, Everson and Schmidt for Skubal
Detroit hangs up the phone and blocks the Yankees’ number.
Very doubtful on the trade value.
1-2.5 and 3 playoff appearances is way better than 2.5 years and two playoff appearances.
2-He is unlikely to replicate his 2024 stats.
3-There is at least some chance of an injury.
Whoops, the comparison should be to “1.5 years and …:”
I’d be willing to do one of the Big Three of Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo for Skubal, but not more than that, plus other pieces of course. Maybe something like Mayo and Tigers’ choice of Beavers/Norby/Fabian/Stowers, one of our better pitching prospects like McDermott, Bright, or Nunez, and one of our big bonus international signings of the last few years that the Tigers particularly like.
Anything substantially more than that and I think I’d just move on to other targets.
Would you prefer Holliday or Basallo and Mayo both? I think either is fair.
Like I said, I would only do one of the 3, so Holliday (assuming the rest of the package was palatable of course).
It will take all three of those prospects plus some young pitching to get Skubal (McDermitt? Povich?)
Keep dreaming lol.
I appreciate Orioles fans placing a value on their prospects. However, in order to get a number1 starter who left handed with 2 plus years of club control while still in his twenties you would have to give up some combination of Holliday plus either Mayo or Basalla. The Tigers would be fools to trade him for any less.
Wrong
Skubal’s obviously fantastic, but if it is going to cost 2 of Holliday, Mayo, and Basallo, I am fine with wiishing Harris well and moving on. I simply do not trust his arm (or any arm really) to hold up for another 2.5 years enough to gamble that much on a single bet.
IMO, the Tigers would be foolish to hold onto him long-term. They are pretty likely not making the playoffs in 2 of his remaining 3 seasons. You could still make the playoffs, but if you don’t, then it is kind of a disaster.
The Tigers are on a roll and have won in season series against playoff caliber teams in both leagues.
They may not be ready for a World Series run, but they are close. They have no need to move Skubal unless another team overwhelms them with an offer that they cannot refuse.
Probably kjerstad, mayo, norby. Holliday is off limits for any franchise. He’s the #1 prospect.
If I’m Baltimore I would consider a new closer. I wouldn’t trust Kimbrel in October. The time is now for Baltimore
The Deal would start with Holliday, Mayo AND Bassalo
and then more pieces would be added like RHSP McDermitt, LHSP Povich and 1-2 others.
No it wouldn’t
Holliday or Basallo and Mayo. That’s it. Both those deals are fair.
lol
lmao
Baseball has been around for a lot of time, and what you just typed would be the biggest haul for a player in the history of Major League Baseball, and it’s not even close.
What you are posting is the equivalent of the Orioles trading Rutschman, Henderson, and Bradish before the 2022 year, AND YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT.
I need you to log off, put the pipe down, and think about what you just posted. After you reflect on it, write a 2 page essay on how you could be better at posting. Thank you.
It will take Holliday, Basallo and Mayo + 2 or 3 pitching prospects.
You’re completely delusional, man. The Tigers are not getting a package for Skubal that makes the Soto trade return look like a bunch of spare parts. Not from the Orioles, not from anybody.
The Orioles are also not winning the world series then either.
There is zero chance his trade value is higher next year. None whatsoever.
The Tigers can add another of their own, but they should not even bother discussing Skubal to the O’s without Holliday and Basallo coming back.
Sorry O fans that’s where we Tiger fans start.
The Tigers could send the kid they got from Philly last year for Lorenzen back to the O’s. Hao-Yu Lee. He’s at AA Erie. Hardly a replacement for Holliday, but the kid can hit some.
Tigers need a pitching prospect too. Povich works. Their #8 prospect. He is not guaranteed to be a top end starter, but Detroit can plug him into their current depleted rotation.
Skubal and Lee for Holliday, Basallo and Povich. The O’s will be the favorite to go to the WS this year and next. They give up no one they need for the next 2 years.
Then the Tigers turn around and send Flaherty to the Dodgers for Frasso and Payton Martin.
Skulbal pitching tonight vs. the Tribe in Clevelnd. O scouts will be there.
You’re talking about 2 of the consensus top 10-15 prospects baseball, including the consensus #1, PLUS arguably the best pitching prospect in the organization. The Nats didn’t even get that crazy of a return for Juan Soto, and respectfully, Skubal ain’t no Soto.
Skubal just dominated the Indians tonight and the Tigers are playing they aren’t trading Skubal.
I don’t think he gets dealt either honestly. Only a handful of contending teams have the bullets in their clip to get a deal like this done, but I’m not sure if any of them are desperate/adventurous enough to match the Tigers (rightfully) astronomical asking price, plus the Tigers are on the fringes of contention this year and may think they can improve enough this offseason to make a real run at it in 2025.
UPDATE ON ORIOLES-TIGERS POTENTIAL SKUBAL DEAL
Detroit has had multiple top level Scouts at Orioles AAA team games this week and up to the trade deadline.
Tigers watching top rated Orioles players Holladay, Mayo, Mc Dermott, Povich and a few of their AA players also(Bassallo).
Due diligence by Tigers to be ready if Baltimore decides to “go for it”
and meet the Tigers demands for Skubal.
Trading Skubal depends solely on the return. Never forget the Verlander trade, thought to have been Avila picking the Astros’ pocket, but turned into an IED. Franklin Perez had no stomach for MLB, Cameron wasn’t his dad, and Jake Rogers, turned out to be the only tiny nugget in a pan of gravel. Harris showed us in the E-Rod trade he was in over his head..whereas Al Avila was an old hand at swinging last-minute trades with DD claiming the credit. The Dodgers never lose trades….not ever,,, so stay away from them with Skubal. And always remember, one pitch and your Ace is on the IL facing TJ surgery, especially considering Fetters’ record. Should they trade him? Nah. or Flaherty either IMO….this is a good pitching staff the way it is with Olson and Mize coming back. And notice the hitting is coming around now that Hinch has been banished from the “hitting committee” meetings and level swings have returned. BTW, I believe Torkelson will get the trade he’s tanked for, to get away from this organization in general, and Hinch in particular.
The intriguing deal I just heard about is Holliday and OF Heston Kjerstad for Skubal and Foley. Hmmm……Both of the Orioles guys bat LH and would better fit the Comerica dimensions on the closer RF seats. Heston recently go hit in the head with 97….some guys don’t come back mentally from that but he’s activated and Tigers scouts will see him deal with pitches high and inside before next Tuesday. Since the Tigers are loaded with OFers along with Bigbie, who has slowed down considerably at Toledo, Kjerstad might move to 1B when Torkelson is moved or stay on the grass with Keith moving there and Holliday staying at 2B with Jung eventually taking over at 3B. Risky moving Skubal for these two or anybody, but another top prospect from the Orioles along with these two might be too much to ignore.
That return is not enough for Skubal even with out Foley.
Foley would land multiple young prospects and players if traded in a separate deal;
Tigers are not trading their closer when they are so close to legitimate contending.
Just read a post by Ben Verlander., brother of another Verlander, and he says the O’s will never trade Holliday. Okay, so why would the Tigers bother talking to them? What would they be trying to
accomplish……getting the next Skubal…or maybe another mismanaged Torkelson? Anybody who trusts young hitters around Hinch is nuts. Fact of the matter is, the Tigers have some talent in position players, not top-notch but adequate with good pitching. Carp will eventually return and Tork is going to RF on occasion…he hit one out last night and got an RBI single off a 100mph heater…walked twice too. So why trade Skubal or Flaherty for that matter? Madden got hammered again last night…he’s fallen apart at Toledo and Hurter pretty much has too. Faedo and Brieske could both start and probably should since I believe Mize is copying his idol Max Scherzer and trying to get away with pitching half a season. year after year. Bottom line? If you are going to trade an established ace like Skubal, don’t deal him for hitters….deal him for younger high-upside pitching because other than Jobe, they ain’t got any.
Clarification….Tork “going to RF on occasion” doesn’t mean playing RF…just taking outside pitching the other way, ala Miggy, He can’t pull everything in MLB as he has found out. He is stubborn as he should be…until it occurs to him, why listen to a miserable hitter like Hinch was or the “hitting committee” eggheads who never even got to A ball? Best thing for him would be getting traded to an organization who knows what they are doing.
Carlos Correa, Alex Bergman and Yordan Alvarez came up when AJ Hinch was Houston manager.
If the Tigers trade Tarik Skubal, I just hope they candle him with Javier Baez. Prospects don’t always work out or just aren’t as good at the MLB level as they were in the minors.
Trade Skubal for less talent by including Baez contract? That’s bored bloggers talking to meet a deadline……nobody is going to take even half of that contract, IMO.