The Tigers scratched Jack Flaherty from tomorrow’s scheduled start against the Twins. The right-hander remained in Los Angeles after his start against the Angels last Thursday to receive an injection to treat back soreness, writes Chris McCosky of the Detroit News.
For the moment, it doesn’t seem the situation is concerning. Manager A.J. Hinch told the Detroit beat on Tuesday afternoon that the team remains confident he’ll avoid the injured list (relayed on X by Cody Stavenhagen of the Athletic). McCosky reports that the Tigers are targeting next week’s home series against the Guardians for Flaherty to take the ball.
A team skipping a pitcher’s start to treat a minor back issue wouldn’t ordinarily be noteworthy. Yet Flaherty’s health is of utmost importance with less than a month before the trade deadline. Detroit lost on Tuesday to fall nine games below .500. They’re all but assured of going into deadline season as at least soft sellers. It stands to reason they’ll be reluctant to move players whom they have under control for multiple years. They should deal their most appealing impending free agents. Flaherty tops the list.
Detroit’s decision to sign Flaherty to a one-year, $14MM pillow contract was one of the best moves of the 2023-24 offseason. Despite a rocky outing in his most recent appearance, he carries a 3.24 ERA over 15 starts. Flaherty has punched out 33% of batters faced behind an excellent 14.2% swinging strike rate. He has walked a career-low 4% of opposing hitters. He should get his first All-Star nod this summer.
Assuming he’s healthy, Flaherty figures to find himself in plenty of trade rumors coming out of the Midsummer Classic. He’ll almost certainly be the best rental starting pitcher on the market. MLBTR slotted Flaherty as the #3 pitcher on our ranking of the upcoming free agent class last week. The players above him, Corbin Burnes and Max Fried, aren’t getting traded.
Beyond Flaherty, the rental rotation market could include the likes of Yusei Kikuchi, Michael Lorenzen, Jose Quintana and Frankie Montas. As the best impending free agent starter available, Flaherty could net the Tigers a prospect package headlined by a borderline Top 100 caliber talent. If they don’t trade him, Detroit could make him a qualifying offer at the end of the season. Assuming Flaherty signed elsewhere for at least $50MM, the Tigers would get a pick after the first round in the 2025 draft. Detroit should nevertheless find a prospect package within the next few weeks that they consider more valuable than the draft choice.
Keider Montero will get the ball tomorrow in Flaherty’s absence. As first reported by Jason Beck of MLB.com (on X), Detroit is recalling the rookie righty less than a week after optioning him. That’s only permissible if Montero is replacing a player on the roster who is headed to the injured list. That won’t be Flaherty but right-hander Casey Mize, who is ticketed for the 15-day IL after suffering a left hamstring strain in his start on Sunday. The former first overall pick owns a 4.23 ERA despite a modest 16.8% strikeout rate over 16 starts in his return from Tommy John surgery.
Bad luck.
Olson and Skuba…sure would bring back returns.
I bet that was part of Avilas’ plan in the first place….you can always trade top tier pitching for bats (plural).
I wonder what kind of offer it would take for Skubal. It would have to be a lot and start with a top shortstop prospect.
Flaherty they gotta trade him no matter it seems like.
Tigers have zero reason to trade skubal but imagine how Tarik would fit on the orioles, he would be their lefty ace to pair with burnes righty ace and a playoff rotation of Tarik Corbin and Grayson would be championship worthy
O’s send basallo cowser and norby (maybe add stowers) for Tarik (or straight up Holliday but that would make no sense)
I could make a case for why the Tigers should trade Skubal.
Skubal would be a great fit for the Orioles for sure and the Orioles certainly have the young talent. I kinda like Holliday for Skubal 1 for 1. Tigers could use Basallo and Mayo too. Maybe Kjerstad.
I wonder what Tigers fans think.
First I 100% dont want them to trade Skubal or Olson. If they did trade Skubal though i think they absolutely need to address as many needs as possible with the return, with SS being chief among them. When you get past Holliday, who the Os wont trade and who the Tigers shouldn’t take 1 for 1 because it only addresses one need, Baltimore only has Bensmcosme. So it’s unlikely the get their biggest need addressed with Baltimore. Basallo and Mayo both look like they will end up as 1B/DH types so they tick the box for offense but may be limited otherwise if they outgrow C and 3B. The Tigers need offense though and Mayo could play 3B right now with that gun of an arm. Mayo, Kjerstad, Basallo, Bencosme and Bradfield would tick some boxes in some combo (not all of them), with maybe a pitcher thrown in.
Lots of teams could give up good packages. I like Nacho Alvarez (SS), Drake Baldwin (C), Hurston Waldrep and the injured Michael Harris from Atlanta in a package….throw Canha in the mix as well. For Flaherty, Nacho and Drake tick boxes as well and provide two poteential starters at positions of weakness in the system.
I don’t know. Holliday for Skubal 1 for 1 sounds like a lot of fun. The Cubs traded the number 1 prospect Torres for a rental Chapman a few years back. You get Skubal for 3 playoff runs. For the Tigers you get your shortstop and potential star player to go along with the next group of big time prospects already in the system in Jung, Clark and Jobe.
Would you not be interested in that deal?
Personally no because I dont want them to tease him,but 8f they did i think they could get 2-3 full time contributors for Skubal.
“Mayo, Kjerstad, Basallo, Bencosme and Bradfield would tick some boxes in some combo (not all of them), with maybe a pitcher thrown in.”
That’s an absolute fantasy. Even in “some combo” that will NEVER happen. lol. Might as well throw Gunnar in there too. The Orioles would go after a rental like Flaherty (well, before the injection anyway) again before trading multiple highly rated prospects (Mayo and Basallo are both top 20 in MLB). Pure pipe dream.
MAYBE something like Basallo plus Bencosme or Norby with a possible A ball pitcher thrown in, but that’s about it. And the Orioles like Basallo enough, I bet they wouldn’t even do that.
We are talking about a hypothetical trade for Skubal who is not a rental, is a #1 Starter and a favorite to win the Cy Young. Not the same ballpark as Flaherty. No way anyone would accept a bargain basement price like you just listed.
The Braves aren’t dealing Harris II for any pitcher. Especially not going to give him up in addition to 3 of their best prospects. Atlanta didn’t sign Harris II to an 8 year deal to give him away for a pitcher that could break anytime he throws a baseball. Alvarez and Baldwin are probable ML roster pieces for the Braves in the next season and a half. They certainly aren’t going to be dealt for half a season of an injured Flaherty. The Braves have plenty of pitching depth. They need a SS and an of’er (another reason that Harris II won’t be dealt—especially w/Acuna out.)
Should probably also mention that the Braves don’t acquire players repped by Boras. Skubal’s 99% a hard no thanks for them.
That would not be anywhere near enough for LHSP #1 Starter Tarik Skubal.
Tigers would expect and get a Juan Soto to the Padres like return for Skubal. Skubal is a lock for the AL All Star team.
Skubal is one of the top contenders for the AL Cy Young Award. Skubal is relatively cheap in salary and has 2 1/2 years of cost controlled team control left with the Tigers.
The Orioles have the volume and quality of players to get Skubal if Mike Elias and New Orioles Ownership want to go for a World Series Championship this year/
New Hedge Fund Owner of the Orioles can afford to extend both Burnes and Skubal and create a new beast of the AL East with Skubal.Burns and the boatload of great, young talent they have now.
Tigers have young Colt Keith locked in for 2B so they don’t need a 2B. But Norby could be useful in OF.
Try him in CF.. Norby can hit. Tigers need hitters
Padres have SSs in RF (Tatis Jr) and CF (Rookie Jackson Merrill)
RHSPs McDermit and LHSP Povich would slot right into the Tigers rotation.
3B/1B Cobo Mayo would fit the Tigers needs great hit and D
C/1b Basalllo is another hitter Tigers could use
Really like Holliday for Tigers SS if Orioles would bite on that one
Holliday, Mayo, Basalla and Povich would headline a competitive deal for Skubal.
OR Skubal for Mayo, Basalla, Norby, Povich and McDermitt.
Tigers would get hitters and defenders in INF, C, OF
and two young starters who could immediately slot right into the Tigers rotation.
Then, the Tigers could trade Flaherty to another team in a separate deal for more young major league ready players.
Heston Kjerstad is also a player that can hit and play Defense and should be on the Tigers short list with Coby Mayo for an Orioles deal for Skubal.
To get the best, a team would have to spend the player and prospect capital.
Otherwise, Detroit will say “thanks, but no thanks{.
Fans always thing another team will give up some of the best young All Star players in the league in trades with their team
and just take players they do not care about or want on their roster and leave all their top prospects and young players in tact and not ask for them?!
That only happens in fantasy baseball
and any one playing that game who is knowledgeable about MLB and minor league talent would not even do that deal in a fantasy league deal.
Agree, it’s common knowledge a trade for Skubal would need to be a Soto like return. I would think this is the kind of player the Orioles would give up all these stockpiled prospects for, knowing not all of them will work out anyway. It would probably take a package like Basallo, Kjerstad, Povich and another lower-end piece. Someone mentioned Holliday for Skubal straight up, which isn’t near enough. Holliday is a high upside prospect, Skubal is a young controllable top 5 pitcher in MLB.
We were talking about a Skubal package that would include Harris not a Flaherty package. Flaherty isn’t on the IL anyway bit Harris is. They say Flaherty will likely draw a back end top 100 prospect plus more so AL are and Baldwin fit that description. The Braves will go get what they think they need to win this year. If that is Skubal (doubtful) or Flaherty then that’s going to cost them.
Good point on Norby. The Tigers like their positional flexibility. I can’t see them trading Holliday though.
I didn’t say you offered up Flaherty for a package w/Harris in it. Didn’t say Flaherty was on the IL either. Said he’s “injured” because he is. Harris w/a hamstring pull doesn’t make him trade fodder. The Braves need at least one more of’er. Harris II won’t be dealt. They don’t even need pitching. No trade match for them w/Dt. Doesn’t matter anyway. The Braves aren’t trading Harris and his 7 year team friendly contract for a pitcher—especially not a Boras client.
No way the Orioles would give all those guys up for Skubal. No way.
Thats the kind of guy you do give up those prospects for.
I think the Basallo and Kjerstad package you mention is similar to Holliday straight up. Holliday is a sure thing number 1 overall prospect. He plays the position that is the Tigers biggest need shortstop. And Skubal isn’t controllable for much longer they get 2 and a half years of him. The last number 1 overall prospect to be traded I can remember was Torres who the Cubs gave up for a couple months of Chapman. If Holliday performs like Torres has for the Yankees the Tigers will be more than happy with the deal.
Mize and Tork were number 1 overall too.
You say they have pitching depth and yet they are listed in multiple articles as being in the pitching market. I get why they might keep Nacho and Harris but where is Baldwin going to play?
When Fried leaves for free agency next year and Strider is working back from Tommy John where’s you pitching?
Assuming you are talking about skubal this is the only reasonable offer I have seen
People are saying Juan Soto type deal (for a pitcher??? Not even any cy young votes yet???) but instead make a Herculean absolute gut of the orioles farm system
Most of the orioles prospects could be the centerpiece themselves in a hypothetical Tarik deal
Why are we overvaluing Tarik and undervaluing those top 100 prospects and making them sound like pocket change?
I agree the Soto comp is a bit much but Skubal is a Cy Young contender with 2 and a half arb years left on his contract. That’s incredibly valuable. Can you think of a good comp? I really can’t. Guys like him almost never get traded.
D’Arnaud’s gone after next season. Baldwin is Murphy’s backup in 2026. Pitching if Fried leaves and Morton retires? Sale, Lopez, Waldrup, Schwellenbach, Ian Anderson, and Elder will be enough until Strider’s healthy. If Morton does retire, Anthopolous will sign a veteran arm to add to the mix just like he did w/Lopez. Scratch the Braves off your trade partner wish list. No way AA deals for Boras client Skubal. They won’t give up Alvarez unless they come up w/another option to replace Arcia. If they want Flaherty, they can wait and go after him in free agency. No need to give up assets for pitching this season. Tigers can rob the O’s , Dodgers, Yanks, etc if they want to deal Skubal.
Add Smith-Shawver to the list of pitchers. So much depth it’s tough to list all of them.
Not sure why you think Skubal is being undervalued. He’s 27 and was steadily improving before the injury. Since being back, he’s had 32 starts the past two seasons and been dominant, top 5 in nearly every SP category. Combination of age, ability, and 2.5 years of control where the acquiring team could potentially extend him makes him a premiere value (and acquiring team could trade him if things change as Padres did w/ Soto).
I’m going to guess that if you asked GMs for top 5 sp in baseball they’d want, he’d be on every list. He’ll def get his CY votes this year.
Basallo and Kjerstad are 55 FV prospects (some have Basallo as 60), we’re not talking about 65-70 level like Holliday, who still hasn’t shown much in MLB, but it was barely a cup of coffee.
I feel like what I’ve seen over time on MLBTR is some people overvaluing prospects in trades, and then surprised when they see what it took to acquire a proven elite talent. I don’t like Baseball Trade Values, but if you go there, you’ll see the types of packages the simulator thinks the Orioles would need to give. I think the cost to acquire Skubal for most teams would be too high, and they’re right to ask it.
Trade simulator wants money to use their site so I know longer go there. But I bet Holliday and Skubal have similar values. Skubal has some injury concerns yes he’s top 5 right now but he was hurt last year.
He had the surgery before the year, recovered and rehabbed, and has been great since. Post surgery theres less concern than an ongoing issue that hasnt been treated.
Hey he’s probably good to go but he is coming off a recent injury. Holliday is about as can’t miss as it gets and if called up tomorrow the Tigers would get over 6 years of him and 3 plus at league minimum.
If I am the Tigers I do that deal. And if I am the Orioles I do that deal.
Idk, cant miss prospects can definitely underperform expectations. Buxton was a 70 grade who hasnt lives up to the expectations. Benintendi 65 grade also underperformed.
Holliday could end up being amazing but I wouldn’t do that 1-1 if im the tigers just bc they can get more high quality prospects than just one in a deal.
Because they are still unproven prospects and some will likely flame out and never contribute. Skubal on the other hand has proven himself at an elite level and is a #1 starter. You pay for #1 starters with 2.5 years of control. That’s just how things go.
With 5 1/2 remaining, Olson to NL only. Boston could afford to c block the Yankees on Skubal…..pressure…..how.to get them to not stand pat on their prospects……
I was thinking Mayer for Skubal but not sure either team would go for that.
The word was he would not sign with Detroit during the draft which contributed to them taking Jobe. No way they’d trade one for one for him anyway for Skubal. Very doubtfulbthey trade Skubal at all.
Yeah if he didn’t want to play in Detroit that’s an issue. And the Red Sox kinda need Mayer anyways and probably aren’t ready to win it all even with Skubal.
They have another couple young SS, Roman Anthony and Teel who they might be able to build a package around in theory.
I am stuck on Holliday for Skubal. I think that’s the deal to make. I think the Baez contract is gonna hold the Tigers back short term but this would allow the Tigers to build something special down the road.
No Superfife, just no.
Olson is not going anywhere with 5 1/2 years of team control remaining. That is the kind of starter that teams keep for themselves.
Tigers are not desperate.
They have a highly regarded farm system that is starting to produce some very good pitching and other players.
They just drafted very heavy in favor of pitching for years.
Some of their position player talent and hitters are further away from the majors.
The only way the Tigers trade Skubal is if they can make a blockbuster deal that lands them at least 2-3 premium talent position players who can hit and play D.
If they get those players, then the Tigers could be a strong Wild Car Contender in ’25.
Well said.
Superfife…that is why Avila got fired.
Wow, what an absolute and amazing mess of two comments from Stuperfife….that’s dumb even for him! First off, the first comment: Skuba? Also, explain to me like I was a first grader…. I know that’d be difficult for you as you think on a four year old level, but wtf did you bring up Avila? The second one: 5 1/2 what remaining? Olson to the NL only? Explain. How to get “them” to not stand pat on their prospects? Who’s “them”? I think it’s far past time you get something done surgically to what’s left of your brain if at all possible. Your babble is getting worse with every comment you make. The only way you don’t get something done is if you’ve developed some sort of dementia or Alzheimer’s. Either way you’ve got a long and hard road ahead of you and I feel bad for you.
This article basically screams Flaherty will be moved as they are going to manage his innings going up until the deadline. I’d have a moving Co. on speed dial if I was Flaherty.
I wanted Scott Harris to trade Jack Flaherty early mid season. He will start getting hurt at some point of the season then have no trade value. What do I know? Im just an aging fan.
I feel like every team in baseball is close enough to a wild card spot to where their gm says that they are either non commital or they want to add and I think the tigers are one of those many teams that would prefer to add on the margains
The white Sox can’t be the only seller though there are too many buyers but not enough sellers baseball literally is an economy of itself
Some teams like SD approached them early, but I’d say the return was not to their liking. Waiting until the deadline maximizes the return and creates pressure on other teams to up their offer so I see why they are waiting but I cringe when I read articles like this.
Early mid season they were only 3 games out of the wildcard, were not going to trade him then
Did the Supreme Courts ruling give him a spasm?
His back probably spasmed when he watched the debate that’s sure what I felt
Why would you joke about the end of democracy?
The end of democracy, lol, I’m no fan of his highness but to think that the above mentioned ruling spells the end of the constitution as we know it, is nothing but hyperbolic TV jargon
Until it happens.
Should have called up Manning over Montero. I was at the last game Montero pitched a week ago. He commands two pitches well (fastball and slider). His other pitches are well below average. He could be a deadly reliever, and they should convert him now (in Toledo).
They said Manning has been having issues in AAA but Montero has not looked good at all in MLB.
MCBB, I agree, but what other option do they have at this point? If choosing between the two of them, I’d rather Manning. At least he’s shown flashes and has more experience. Montero in his short time in the bigs hasn’t shown me anything at all….it’s a small sample size but he’s just not ready for the majors as of yet.
I agree with you both. Montero has had lots of SOs but little else.
Trust me, MCBB, Montero has all the makings of a very good reliever. He reminds me of the first time I saw Gregory Soto pitch in the majors. It was all fastballs and sliders. I said right then and there that he should go to the pen. I think Montero would be better than Soto. Pretty good control and could amp up the velo pitching just one inning. He’ll be 24 this weekend, and he hasn’t developed more than two usable pitches during seven years in the Tiger system he probably never will.
I read online that both Manning and Torkelson have issues with *coachability* — apparently both have bad mechanical habits going back to their amateur days, they have been resistant to correcting their approaches and have been uncooperative with coacing interventions. The Detroit media are generally cheerleaders, so stuff like this is difficult to verify…
They are great trade chips then.
Also mentioned in that article is that Kerry Caroenter suffered a setback in his rehab and is “back to square one”. Very possible he doesn’t return this season.
TroyVan, I was thinking the same thing when the momentarily showed Carp in the dugout last night. I wondered to myself if we’ve seen the last of him this season. Sad, because he’s been pretty good in 2024 and led the team in many offensive categories when he went down. I know that’s not saying much because of the dreadful offense but it’s something they’re missing, a batter not named Greene that can put some fear in pitchers minds. The cupboard is pretty bare in that category, so sayeth captain obvious. I suppose it opens the door for a return of Meadows and see what he’s straightened out at Toledo but he’s no Kerry Carpenter.
Maybe Jung will get a callup soon too.
But he’s hurt, MCBB. I don’t expect to see him in Detroit yet.
Snt ge just on the 15 day IL? After the break or even September for Jung? Like you I expect to see Meadows back at some point, likely after Canha gets shipped out at the deadline.
Yes, he’s on the 10 day minor league IL due to an injured wrist. I’ve heard nothing about him doing a rehab somewhere as of yet. I do think, if healthy, he’ll be up in September at the earliest but thought that about Keith and Perez last year. I look to Meadows coming back, yes, at the deadline replacing Canha. He’s hitting well in Toledo with some power. Also, Baez started his rehab last night. He DHed and went 1 for 2 before being lifted, I’m not sure why, except it’s his first game action and they’re not willing to take chances. I’m not rooting for him getting hurt again but there goes my hopes of seeing Navigato in a Tiger uniform in 2024. His chances were slim anyway.
Apparently Tork is seeing some improvement down in AAA, but not nearly enough to make it back here, so it would seem. If Canha and Urshela get traded, who plays at first base? Are they forcing their hands into bringing Tork back? Or is Ibanez going to get the bulk of playing time there. There just aren’t a lot of options available. The Tigers made the ultimate mistake of putting all their eggs in the Tork basket and didn’t draft well at that position. He had the night off and Bligh Madris played in his place. He surely isn’t a candidate.
The players they get back at the trade deadline could impact who plays SS and 1B. Baez might just be filling space and on borrowed time until then. I would imagine that Tork and Meadows will be back up this year. Jung, Dingler and maybe Leonard might get a test drive too, especially if Urshela, Kelly and McKinistry are gone.
Kelly is on an expiring contract and will get moved to make space for Dingler.
Now that we realized an even worse offense after sending Tork and Meadows down and are out of contention, it makes all the sense in the world to bring them back up. Tork is not going to learn how to hit a major league fastball in AAA, nor is Meadows going to get anything more out of AAA.
Earmarking AB’s for Urshela, Canha, McKinstry, et al is just silly at this point when none of them have a future with us and are either under a .600 OPS or barely holding on to .600. The remainder of the season should be used as an opportunity to get our core more MLB experience so they can make adjustments and get good sooner, no matter how painful it is to watch.
I’ve started to have my doubts about Leonard. He seems to be struggling at Toledo as of late. I’m not sure if he’ll get a look by the Tigers or not anymore.
The Dodgers had doubts about him too and that’s why they basically handed him to us. Plus, he’s injured again.
It seems like a lost season for him with all the injuries. Too bad after he had such a great end to last year and spring training this year. Maybe he’ll get a look in September if he’s healthy.
The team nosedived when Caroenter went down. I’d like to know what their record and RS looks like, before and after.
Theybarec100% deadline sellers, at least for their impending FAs. They better fill some holes at the deadline and in the offseason. Another year of this would be very frustrating.
Agreed, MCBB. Cut Baez, Baddoo and McKinstry during the offseason. Addition by subtraction. Maybe Kelly gets traded. He’s a solid backup catcher and what team wouldn’t want that? I think it’s time to see what Dingler has or hasn’t got anyway. Also, 2025 will be time that Jobe gets his chance, maybe Lee too (Keith is too streaky in my opinion and his defense is somewhat shaky, as advertised) I can see Lee getting the call up to Toledo sooner than later in 2024. Hope upon hope that Tork gets things straightened out else get a competent first baseman to replace him, as much as I hate saying that. Another thing I hate saying is Hinch could be on the hot seat in 2025 if they are underperforming like they have under his watch…unless he gets fired at the end of this season. I’m not advocating for it, but just saying it may have to happen.
Agree on everything you said.
Im glad they are giving the kids a chance to play but Harris/Greenberg need to go get the missing pieces this trade deadline and summer so Hinch has bats to play and depth. They also need to figure out who ultimately is going to play where in 2025 and beyond.
I love Hinch, but no matter who is on the roster, he’s got a problem with lineup consistency. I understand his wanting to play the matchups and agree with that but he will have different lineups every game no matter who the opposing pitcher is and which side he throws from. There is no stability and I think that leads to inconsistency from the hitters batting in different parts of the lineup. It drives me crazy. The only constant is Greene batting third, but that’s not even a given.
Not fair to Hinch. He has done a good job with talent he was provided with
Did you happen to see tonight’s starting lineup yet? It proves my point. Carson Kelly hitting cleanup.
Carson and AJ made me eat my words for tonight with a third inning grand slam! Still I wish there was stability in Hinch’s lineups.
Kelly is as good as gone come August 1. He’s very valuable to any club looking to solidify their catcher position.
And, I think Hinch is safe, but I no longer think he was a good fit for a rebuild and I would advise against any team that is looking to hire him for that role. His teams have been notoriously slow starters and he has proven he can’t get anything extra from his batters.
Tigers were rated ahead of KC coming in to this season. And equal to Rangers a couple years ago. Then they spent some money and got good. Tigers did not and it shows
The Rangers sre t playing well either but should gave pitchers back soon to try and make a run. You’re right that the Tigers need to spend some more $$$ in the offseason to fill some holes, or make some trades.
Hopefully, it’s just a tweak, but if Flaherty is actually injured he’d be an excellent trade target for Brian Cashman, who specializes in overpaying in precisely this situation.
Something tells me it’s more than just a tweak, however. He’s now had two shots in his back (I’m assuming cortisone or something similar). We’ll see, but I’m not too optimistic, at least as far as his trade prospects go. I did say last week that he’s good as gone at the deadline and that still may be the case but right now he’s damaged goods and his back injury might have ruined his situation. His next start is scheduled for next week vs. Cleveland. Hopefully I’m full of pessimism and he pitches well, like he has most of the season.
He’ll need to get back on the mound and show something for most acquiring teams. There’s never a good time for injuries.
I agree. If he’s getting another shot and missing a start, there’s something seriously wrong with his back. I think potential trade partners just pulled their chips back and want to see a couple more starts before they go all in. This means there won’t be an early trade happening. They will wait until after his last start before the deadline to decide what (if anything) they will offer.
The Tigers could/should have 4 trade packages available. One featuring Flaherty, one featuring Skubal, one featuring Olson and one featuring Foley……
Get tested, Superfife, you don’t make any sense. I’m not joking here. There is something mentally wrong with you.
They are not trading Olson and Skubal…the team wants to compete next season and most fans want them to as well. Flaherty 100% and I would love for them to circle back to him in the offseason and sign him to be their number 2 starter behind Skubal and ahead of Olson, Jobe and Mize (or Maeda). Foley? Why not if someone offered a foundational piece for him, which is unlikely but not impossible. BP pieces are the easiest to replace.
It would not surprise me in the least if the Tigers ate the second year of Maeda’s contract. I thought he was a good signing but was proven wrong. Hindsight is always 20/20. Bullpen pieces are a dime a dozen and unpredictable year to year. I wouldn’t mind saying goodbye to Wentz and Miller. I agree with you on Foley.
Wentz is frustrating. Speaking of frustrating, I’m hoping Maeda picks it up in the 2nd half like last year but I won’t hold my breath.
I’m not sold they want to compete next year. What moves have they made to improve next year? Canha? Flaherty? Maeda? It’s all “sign veterans to flip”. If they wanted to compete next year they would be building the core. I expect more of the same next year… If they wanted to compete next year they would have signed Matt Chapman and Bellinger.
They could sign both of them in the offseason if they opt out. I think they will plug some gaps this offseason now that they have had a test drive with the in house prospects and players
I don’t think those guys would come to Detroit. It has turned into a joke of an organization. Scottie Harris is no Dave Dombrowski. DD could get talent to come because DD was a smart leader. Harris is a goof.
And you’re a dolt, Melchez. A complete idiot and a laughingstock. You have no proof that Harris is a goof. Zero. None. He’s only been in Detroit as PBO for less than two years but you don’t care. As MCBB said below you’re a fair weather fan, one that needs to go root for the Yankees. Please do what he advised you to do, you POS.
Nah… I have been a devoted fan since 1975. It’s a shame what this team has become. But that’s ok… They will get better. Either Harris will figure out what to do or the next guy will do it. But thanks for worrying about me so much.
Devoted fans don’t berate a brand new PBO or GM, so I doubt your devotion. I worry about you? Nope. You know nothing so I don’t take you seriously. I didn’t at motownsports.com and don’t hear. The only thing I do worry about is your sticking around here. I just you’d leave with your tail between you legs, taking your moronic mess with you.
Devoted fans care very much about their team… Looks like you might have a man crush on Scottie. I’m not judging… You do you.
You don’t care about the Tigers who clearly aren’t your team anymore because they hired a PBO you hate. No, I don’t have a man crush on Harris, but I’m willing to give him the chance you don’t want to afford him, because of your stone cold hatred of him. You care about the team when they win 100 games. You don’t when they have bad seasons or hire someone you detest. That makes you the clown that you call Harris. I got you pegged and you’re embarrassed by that. You got laughed off of motownsports and your fate will be the same here. Neither site puts up with fair weather bandwagoners and trolls like you.
He was a yes man in San fran and they had 1 fluke season… .500 every year since. Why would anyone want that?
Because he’s better than his predecessor, you troll.
tigerfan4ever, has Melchez or the Superfiife ever told you that you are an A** H**e? If not, I will be the first to let you know!
But I think you already know that.
I’m an a-hole for speaking the truth? Interesting. That makes you an a-hole for what you just said. I don’t care what you, the toothless Stuperfife who probably has the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s or Melchez, who is a liar with no credibility, a true clown and a troll think of me anyway. I know exponentially more about baseball than the three of you combined! You guys are jokes and add STYMEEDONE to your little club of morons.
Glad you proved me correct. Go find another sandbox.
I proved you to be a spokesperson for the stupid, who you feel can’t speak for themselves. Go away and stay away until you have anything baseball related to discuss. As I said before, I don’t give a rat’s hindquarters what your little group of children feel about me, never have and never will.
If you don’t care, why do you keep responding? I speak for myself & asked you if they had ever told you too. After reading your posts I can see how much you know about Baseball. Now that I have told you, I will end it here.
I know far more about baseball than you and your moronic friends do, combined. You started this, so you get to determine where it ends? I don’t play by your rules.
Olson has 5 1/2 years of team control left.
Olson is not a free agent until 2030!
It is extremely unlikely that they trade Olson.
Olson can eat innings for 4+ years before they extend his contract or trade him.
Only way they would even consider trading Olson is if some team offered them more than the Padres gave the Nats for Soto.
If a team with a top farm system wants to give the Tigers their top 5-7 prospects and young players, then the Tigers will listen.
But, a team would have to completely blow the Tigers away with a deal that they cannot refuse.
I doubt that Olson is traded.
I know Boras represents Skubal and almost always takes his clients to free agency but I still think we can’t trade Skubal at this time. We have control for a few years and let’s at least try to sign him to an extension. You don’t often have a bonafide number one starter and you need to build around him. I hope Flaherty is healthy next week because I really think teams like the Astros, Yankees, Braves etc. would be willing to trade a high end prospect to get a top three starter for the stretch run. And please DFA Baez and just eat the money. I can’t watch him take another at bat where he flails away at every slider he sees.
Agree until the Baez part. Yes, he’s painful to watch. But who else do we have? McKinstry is worse, both with the bat and the glove. Kreidler plays SS well, but the bat has yet to come around. I don’t think they have any choice but to stick with Baez a bit longer.
I’ll be surprised if they don’t have a new starting SS after the trade deadline (MCho Alvarez would do nicely), THEN they can DFA Baez!
For Flaherty (assuming he’s not truly injured)? That could be a game-changer.
And just like that, GMs stopped calling about Flaherty.
Harris would screw it up anyway.
All of a sudden, I’m realizing STYMEEDONE is Melchez17 lite. Realize this….Harris has been around for less than two years, but you expected him to make this team 1984 redux overnight and because he hasn’t, he’s Randy Smith’s clone in your minds. Bad!
I expected Harris to make them the 1984 team redux? LOL… What a clown comment. I knew Harris was unfit for the job when he came here. Every move he makes backs my beliefs. Trying to trade EROD to a team on his no trade list… What a clown. Maeda for 2 years? Canha? Really?
Watch out… Walter Jenkins has passed Max Clark on the prospect list. Looks like Scottie Harris didn’t know what he had. Missed on Wyatt Langford and Jenkins. Well, he got himself a lefty hitting Derek Hill. Nice job.
And he signed Flaherty who should net a prospect near the back if the top 100. And Lorenzen who got us Lee who is an all star (so is Clark by the way). And Ibanez. And Kelly, Urshela (who YOU WANTED) and Canha who should all net prospects at the deadline. And Dickerson and Leonard for nothing and they are on the top 30 prospects. And a great draft with Clark, McGonigle (who is now the #65 prospect in baseball), Hamm and some others that have looked decent to good so far. And…he signed a GM!
It’s annoying when you don’t look at anything good he’s done Melchez. Trolls do that and i know you are not one.
No, you’re the clown. Making judgements on Harris before he’s had a chance to prove himself is very clownish. Yes, he’s going to make mistakes, but who in his position and with the amount of his experience doesn’t? Regarding your second paragraph of drivel, blah blah blah blah blah! So and so passed so and so as a prospect. Extremely weak and clownish, you Harris hating nut job. You don’t know what you’re talking about and why you’re talking about them, period. Nice job.
A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. Let’s see if Flaherty can last 150 innings before we get too excited. I know you guys are excited about mediocre… Back in the day we had guys like Scherzer, Verlander, Porcello… Heck you guys would get excited if we had a reincarnation of Boyd. It’s ok… The season will be over soon. Maeda will be the next you guys get excited about.
Harris is a clown… Look at the Tigers team.
Look in the mirror to see the true clown.
It’s great that you live in the past Melchez but they don’t have any of those players any more because Avila traded most of them for magic beans.
I’d love to go back to 1984 and grab Kirk Gibson, Alan Trammell, Lou Whittaker, Chet Lemon, Larry Herndon, Lance Parrish and transport them here to fix the holes in the offence but that’s not going to happen. By the way most of those players were developed by the Tigers, not FA signings or trades. They built a significant portion of the Tigers last championship team by drafting and developing, just like Harris/Greenberg are trying to do.
Well said MCBB! I think Melchez has stepped away from his computer to grab a towel for wiping the egg you just left on his clownish face and is reapplying his makeup and putting his little red nose back on his face and his orange wig on his head.
I guess we will find out soon since the deadline is a month away. You said he screwed up the Lorenzen trade and Lee just made the minor league All Star team.
Minor league all stars… Nice. What an accomplishment. Hope he turns out better than Keith so far. Glad we didn’t pick up any major league talent… It would be blocking these studs.
So a guy making the all star team is not good enough now and you are throwing Keith under the bus after half a season. Maybe you should pick a new team if it’s that bad dude.
A guy making the minor league all stars does nothing for me. A terrible fielding 2b hitting .200 does nothing for me. Keith belongs in the minors to figure out a position to play and how to hit a ball. Maybe you should root for the minor league team… Oh, you are. I prefer a major league team
Then go be a Yankees fan there “fair weather friend” 😉
MCBB, as I said above. STYMEEDONE is a clone of Melchez17.. That’s why I nicknamed STYMEEDONE, Melchez17 lite earlier in this thread. Just a little background on Mr. Mellycheese, he spewed this stuff on Motownsports.com so I’m used to it as he caught alot of grief on that site from those who actually know what they’re talking about. That’s how he ended up here, thinking he’d try his act here. It’s obviously working as well here as it did there. Maybe he and STYMEEDONE should meet and have lunch together. They could become best of friends. Invite Stuperlife to join them as he could use a caretaker.
So what do you think they should do at the trade deadline and in the offseason Melchez? I know you look at other teams minor league stats so who do you think they could get for Flaherty, Kelly, Canha and Urshela? What minor league players could plug holes on the team now or in the future? Who should they look at in the offseason?
MCBB, Melchez’s first move during the offseason would be to fire Harris. Captain Obvious speaking here.
He’d do it by the trade deadline, never mind the offseason. He’s got a one track mush mind.
Motownsports? Never been there. But cool story though. I was on Bless you Boys…
Trade deadline will be tough… Flaherty being hurt cuts into his potential return. Ibanez might get a decent return. Kelly, Canha and Urshela won’t get you much. Chafin might get something.
Orioles hate to part with those prospects. They did for Burnes… But that’s Burnes. He’s an ace. I think they might try and get Scherzer or Verlander. They shouldn’t cost much. Maybe 1 decent prospect and a lottery pick.
I think the Tigers should try and deal with the Dodgers. They have some solid catchers in their system. Maybe Feduccia a lefty hitting catcher that has solid defense. No power but few k’s and good obp. Trey Sweeney is a lefty hitting SS with some pop. Former Yankee, he might be an option.
The heavy lifting has to come from free agency, but like I said, who wants to go to Detroit? They stink and everyone that goes there stinks. Look at Canha. He’s below average player now. I would try and get Kim for SS and Bergman at third. Fried as a lefty behind Skubal. Skubal, Olson, Fried, Mize, Jobe would be a very good rotation. Get them some offense.
You lie, I didn’t even know BYB had a message board. You WERE on motownsports, loser. You’re just too embarrassed because of the way you left. Cool story because it’s true and your reputation has followed you here.
Nobody really cares what you think about the trade deadline now that I’ve unmasked you as a clown, a troll and a liar. You stink more than you claim everyone who comes to Detroit stinks. Some devoted fan. More like a habitual Harris hater, so devoted to such hate that you’ve sacrificed what little credibility you had. Go away.
He was on BYB’s.
You’re lying for him.
You prove my case the more you flap your fingers.
Scroll up and read my response above. Then you and your troll buddies leave the forum and as you so eloquently put it “find another sandbox to play in”. You prove my case the more you flap your fingers, representative for the brain dead, liars and just baseball stupid people.
I agree on Bergman and Kim as fits. Hitters want to get paid and if Detroit ponies up like they have in the past then they will come. Maybe they have to overpay a bit like they did with Magglio Ordonez and Pudge Rodriguez way back but who cares if it fills the hole. I like the idea of Flaherty coming back because he is obviously comfortable in Detroit and pitched well there. Fried is a good pitcher too though and I could see him fitting there. They have to sign some bats this offseason.
I don’t think Baltimore will bite for Flaherty. I think they are frugal with their prospects and probably still remember his unsuccessful stint there last year.
L.A. maybe but I’m not sure I like their prospects that much or see a fit for Detroits needs. I have always liked Sweeney if I remember correctly his strikeouts are an issue. Cartaya seems to be ranked higher than he should be and Fedducia could be a good pickup to split time behind the plate. I like Miguel Vargas, although his defense is not the best and the young SS Joendry Vargas looks interesting. Maybe packaging some players like Canha with Flaherty could get a higher end prospect or bigger return.
I think Arizona might be a good fit as they have a ton of good prospects who are blocked and seem to fit that high OBP profile the Tigers look for: Cerda (C); Torin (SS); Barrosa (OF). Barrosa is vloser than the other two though. Maybe even De Los Santos as a power source but ge really has no home defensively. I know they sniffed around Alek Thomas at the last trade deadline.
Sportsfan mentioned SD but again I’m not sure how well they match up for Flaherty. Lots of good prospects still but could they get Devries in trade and given his age he wouldn’t be up any time.e soon to kick Baez to the bench or curb. Dylan Lesko would be a nice get but he’s highly rated, despite all those walks this year. I’d love them to steal Lesko.
I’d love for them to steal Baldwin (C) and Nacho Alvarez (SS) from Atlanta. Both close to MLB and both should end up starters. That’s probably my favorite return but as one Atlanta fan said the Braves probably need Nacho at SS themselves so not sure it is feasible. Throw Canha in since Atlanta needs OFers.
A lot depends on Flahertys health and continued success this month.
Kelly, Canha, Urshela and Chafin will likely net lottery tickets or maybe a low end top 30 but you have to think odds are one of those prospects pans out.
Never been on motownsports… I will go there just for you.
Liar. You have already been there. Don’t do anything just for me.
Seems like they’re acting like this is a surprise when he was just pulled from a start two weeks ago because of his back and I think he received a cortisone shot for it – surprised that isn’t mentioned.
Detroit Tigers are not desperate to trade Tarik Skubal.
Their farm system is now rated in the Top 6″ in MLB 2024.
Some of the Detroit Tigersprospects are still at least a few years away from the MLB team,
If a team blew the Tigers away with a Juan Soto to San Diego style deal that infused multiple major league ready or almost major league position players who can both play defense and hit a lot onto the Tigers team, then Scott Harris and his Front Office Staff are smart enough to seriously consider such a deal.
If I was in that room, I would strongly urge the Tigers to make such a deal if it plugged holes at Catcher/1B (Basallo), 3B Coby Mayo, INF/OF Norby, SS Holladay etc.
Keith Law ranks all 30 teams,
Orioles are new No. 1
Baltimore Orioles. …
Milwaukee Brewers. …
Los Angeles Dodgers. …
Arizona Diamondbacks. …
Chicago Cubs. …
Detroit Tigers. …
New York Yankees. …
Boston Red Sox.
That said, RHSP Jack Flaherty, if healthy, will also be in very high demand for MLB pennant contenders at the trade deadline.
If they get a strong offer for Flaherty, then they have to take that deal.
Flaherty to the Padres would be an interesting fit
for SS DeVries
and maybe a starter like Mazur
Devries was the top International prospect, is only 17 and could be in the big leagues before he is 20 years old.
If Flaherty is getting shots in his back, that means some spot/spots in his spine are bone on bone or no fluid in-between. The shots are temporary fixes. Surgery will be needed. There is a set number of shots that can be given for this & I believe it is 3. My wife had to go through this, years ago & decided against surgery. Now she is in extreme pain all the time. All teams will look at his medicals & offer very little in return. Pitching with the bad back, he will be on borrowed time. He gambled on himself & unfortunately for him & the Tigers, they both lost. If he has surgery, he might make it back by next spring training. If he waits, he will probably loose next season all together.
Very sad news.
Whatever you say Dr. Dogs. When did you actually examine Jack Flaherty anyway? How long have you been his physician? He is NOT your wife and every human being is different in the way they respond to treatment. You probably don’t know that free agents go through a thorough physical examination before signing with a new team, plus their old team is required to share his medical records from his time with them. The Tigers wouldn’t have signed him if he had a recent history of back issues. But I doubt you know this or wish to believe it. Just because your wife went through back issues and is still experiencing pain doesn’t mean Flaherty needs back surgery. Can you be more dramatic than that? Also, he’s going to loose next season all together? Nice command of the English language there. It’s lose and altogether.
Tigerfan, relax. Sheesh. Your man crush Scottie Harris is getting scared.
You’re just pathetic Melllycheese.
Rumor has it, Parker Meadows is back with the big club. Not heard any confirmation. No speculation on who goes to Toledo but my guess would be Baddoo.
True story.
Indeed it is. Meadows is in the starting lineup. Baddoo is headed back to Toledo.
Homer in his first at bat.
He crushed that ball.