The sweepstakes to land superstar free agent Juan Soto is set to enter its next phase, as ESPN’s Buster Olney reported this afternoon that teams are expected to begin sending offers to the outfielder’s camp this week. Olney adds that to this point in the process, Soto has been meeting with teams and allowing Soto and the officials of interested clubs to get to know each other. The Yankees, Mets, Blue Jays, Red Sox, and Dodgers are all known to have met with Soto at this point. The Phillies have also been reported to be planning a meeting with Soto, while the Giants, Rays, and Royals are all known to be among the teams to have reached out to Soto as well, though no meetings between Soto and any of those clubs are publicly known to have occurred and the Royals already reportedly view the offseason’s top free agent as outside of their comfort zone.
Of course, that aforementioned list of teams is surely not exhaustive. As-of-yet unreported clubs have surely contacted and perhaps even met with Soto as he prepares to sign what figures to be the largest contract in MLB history in terms of net present value this winter. As a two-time MVP finalist and career .285/.421/.532 hitter who’s hitting the market ahead of his age-26 season, Soto stands as the rare free agent who would make sense for virtually any contention timeline and stand as an upgrade to all 30 ball clubs, leaving his market to be limited more by teams’ willingness to spend enough to land him rather than positional or competitive fit.
The general consensus around the game seems to be that the Yankees and Mets are the favorites for Soto’s services, as both deep-pocketed New York teams appear motivated as the Yankees look to retain their key addition from last offseason who helped take the club from missing the playoffs in 2023 to an AL pennant this past season while the Mets hope to build on a 2024 campaign that saw them reach the NLCS for the first time since 2015. Soto naturally has a place in the Yankees lineup as their incumbent right fielder, though he might make even more sense for a Mets club that could push Starling Marte to DH in order to accommodate the addition of Soto given the fact that the acquisition of Soto forced the Yankees to use Aaron Judge as their everyday center fielder last year.
That doesn’t mean the other teams in the mix should be counted out, however. The Phillies and Dodgers both already need outfield help this winter and could further bolster the already-excellent lineups that made them the class of the NL this year by landing Soto. The Blue Jays figure to be especially motivated after falling just short in last winter’s Ohtani sweepstakes and subsequently missing the playoffs in 2024, while the Red Sox appear ready to resume spending in accordance with their market size this winter after spending the past several winters on the periphery of free agency. MLBTR’s Steve Adams recently took a look at all 30 clubs in the context of the Soto sweepstakes of Trade Rumors Front Office subscribers.
While Soto has emphasized the importance of team competitiveness in his decision-making and there have been questions about whether he may prefer a team on the east coast given his offseason homes in Fort Lauderdale, Florida and the Dominican Republic, the ultimate factor that figures to separate Soto’s suitors is money. With offers expected to be made over the course of the next week, it’s possible that previously-unknown suitors emerge as contenders for the star’s services or currently reported upon suitors fall behind in the bidding process. It’s also possible that the process begins to move quickly once offers begin to roll in; MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported earlier this week that the belief around the game is that Soto could sign during or even before the Winter Meetings, which run from December 9-12 in Dallas next month.
This one belongs to the Reds
Don’t forget tge “mystery team” driving the green van.
Veejh
Nationals….Rizzo operates like a spy. You never know.
Mryan6004
I know they just non tendered their closer cause they didn’t want to pay him 8 million
Inside Out
There is no shot Cohen and Steinbrenner are outbid by the tightwad Lerner family.
metsin4
Yes we do.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Cubs
Bucket Number Six
Not the Cubs.
thebirds
Pirates
detroitdave84
Not the Pirates
HatlessPete
Lol prepare for Three Days of the Rizzdor
semut
Pretty sure Soto is trying to win more than 70 games next year
Bart Harley Jarvis
The Mystery Machine with Shaggy at the wheel?
differentbears
The mystery judge better not come into play.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@differentbears,
That’s why I’ve been conflicted about whether to say anything.
MWeller77
Arson Judge?
smkelly1970
I would have gotten away with it too- had it not been for you meddling kids!
ohyeadam
My mystery team is Baltimore
padam
No joke. They have the right direction to satisfy his team plan/strategy. He’d be the youth leading the youth for many years, and the cash they’d have used to resign their own FAs. Throw in the fact he’s familiar with the area after coming up with the Nationals, getting the chance to still play in the Al East and stay on the east coast, it’s just a matter of. Baltimore willing to throw the money at him.
With that said, Mets.
towinagain
Don’t sleep on the Padres…
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Don’t sleep on the mariners…. Oh wait do sleep I mean
Blue Baron
towinagain: zzzzzz…
horaceallen
I will be stunned if Steinbrenner doesn’t ultimately land him. No reason not to match every offer out there.
DarkSide830
Rays offering the key to the city. What city you ask? Whichever one they’re playing in come 2026.
Tdat1979
Actually the Rays are offering Tropicana Field.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And mid-season opt outs.
DarkSide830
Fool’s gold ahh offer.
Dumpster Divin Theo
I could have had a V8
detroitdave84
And an orange tree
Dumpster Divin Theo
Speaking of things Orange, the Vegas trop had one legendary pool. RIP pool
JerseyShoreScore
Dodgers offer: 14 years $600 million, with the first four seasons at $65 million each, opt out after the third and fourth seasons…
Brian Cashman Fan
I’m sure the Dodgers would love to have a $341M payroll before making any other additions
JerseyShoreScore
Dodgers generated $120 million in new Ohtani revenue in 2024…
Dodgers generated $100 million in World Series related revenue…
You can root for the Dodgers to hoard their profits, but they realized that even at $65 million for Soto in 2025, that is just $33.5 million each for Soto and Ohtani.
Dodgers would still have enough money to add one SP and a second one if Sasaki signs with them.
Friedman is already on record indicating that he wants this generation of Dodgers to be remembered as a dynasty, They are all in on investing in this team for 3 or 4 seasons…
Cost for the Dodgers, is just less profit, but if they win another World Series or two, it is paid for. Plus, Ohtani’s advertising revenue is on an annual basis.
Fans act as if the Dodgers would lose money by running up a $350 or $400 million dollar payroll. They absolutely would not!
Inside Out
Except Soto would cost $120 million per year for dodgers because of luxury tax, the biggest scam going.
Poolhalljunkies
Jersey — “Cost for the dodgers is less profit,” what in the world would lead you to believe that the dodgers or any of these teams would invest that much in one player with an eye toward less profit? ..no sir..i would bet they all have some plan to not only gain profit with this kid but maximize it…now it may not work out but i dont believe for one second any of these teams enters into it planning to lose money
metsin4
Why would Soto want to go to LA and be 5/6 star on team? Do you think most stars want to known as riding coattails? His legacy would take a massive hit and he would lose out on huge New York endorsements. LA isn’t going to keep paying paying huge endorsement money to baseball players. Their market is already too saturated.
stymeedone
@ jersey shore
Who’s A$$ did you pull those numbers from? If it wasn’t the Dodgers accountant, those numbers are meaningless. The books aren’t public and all press is pure speculation. They look impressive, though.
LongTimeFan1
stymeedone,
There’s lots of public info on MLB team finances.
dm867
Is this satire? He wouldn’t be riding coattails as long as his numbers stay close to where they are now. And LA gives zero cares about how much money they spend.
Johnny Devil
Soto knows going in what teams will be making a competitive offer, so your dodgers have no advantage. Your farm system and position players, also don’t give you any great advantages.In fact your pitching staff is a nightmare. Location not a check mark in your favor. Like the two new York teams in this race and if the Phillies can get creative, I like their chances to.
DroppedThirdStrike
Unless the Dodgers make the most competitive offer, then all your other points are rendered useless.
Baseballisthebest
There is no way the Dodgers saw that much additional revenue from Ohtani. The sold a few hundred extra tickets per game. Attendance was actually lower than it was in 2019. TV revenue is locked in by contract so they got no extra revenue there. International broadcast rights are split with the other teams so the Dodgers got only 1/30th of any increase. Merchandise sales profits are split 50/50 with the players union and then equally by the teams so the Dodgers got 1/60th of that revenue stream.
All this hyperbole about how much money they made from signing Ohtani is ridiculous and not grounded in reality.
MLB has said that this season the Dodgers and every other playoff team made about $15 million per home game in the playoffs.
DroppedThirdStrike
The value of Ohtani’s contract isn’t merely in MLB regulated merchandise. It’s global branding. Ohtani’s contract is the most lucrative in sports history with an estimated SURPLUS value of $1B over the course of the contract.
websoulsurfer
Baseball is right, it’s not in the vicinity of $100 million. Pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about when you say global branding. All money earned internationally is split equally by all 30 teams.
The Dodgers in-stadium advertising totals $280k per game. About $22 million per year. Want to know for sure? Go ask to buy it and they will give you a list of each and their cost. It went up for 2024, but not by much. From 2001-2007 I advertised and had booths in 3 California ballparks and still get an advertising and sponsorship prospectus every year.
Sponsorships other than the uniform patch (sold) and stadium naming rights (not sold) were about the same cost and availability as 2023.
Ticket sales went up 800 per game from 2023 and were below historic highs.
Ohtani DID earn the Dodgers more than the $2 million salary they paid him. The 800 more tickets per game at an average of $52.76 each did that.
They didn’t earn an increase of $100 million in revenue because all non-TV (local and national) and non-game day related (tickets, concessions, parking, etc…) revenue do not add up to $100 million.
Ohtani may be worth $1 billion over his contract because he is being paid $700 million, and he makes $30 million per year in endorsements. That is $1 billion on the nose.
No one with even a modicum of understanding of baseball economics believes for one second that Ohtani is providing $100 million in surplus value to the team, let alone $1 billion.
Fever Pitch Guy
best – Well said! It’s unfortunate comments can’t be screened for accuracy, if so there would be far less here.
Big whiffa
Valid points !
All that additional revenue is not revolving. They won’t reap the same ohtani revenue every season and won’t make it to the WS every season
Also, no way Soto ever opts out of that deal. Who’s going to pay him more than that if he does ? So he’d be eating up that portion of payroll which inevitably will push LA over the tax threshold indefinitely. And that’s a terrible business decision as the dodgers are excellent at scouting and drafting.
The move would also ruin baseball for the average sports fan. Many will create more of a negative stigma towards dodgers “buying a dynasty” if they signed soto.
Highly unlikely to almost no chance imo
Chris 4597
For the Mets/Cohen, it doesn’t matter what revenues are. Years ago Cohen said:
“We’re not in this to make money”
Yes, he did really say that and he’s 4 or 5 times more wealthy than the 2nd wealthiest owner in MLB. Nothing will stop him/the Mets there.
The Mets/Cohen will get there man (and then some). They will offer the most money AND their sell/sales pitch is better than the other teams who are interested.
Only a matter of time.
Big whiffa
I agree ! They can make a rotation like last too. Just signing quality pitchers to 1 or 2 year deals for 15-20 mil. They don’t need Burnes. Go get Soto in this already loaded lineup !
Tom
I’d love to see the Dodgers’ books; based on everything that’s been reported—TV money, their ticket sales, Ohtani advert, etc.—they have to be drowning in money.. They probably could double their payroll and still turn a profit.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – Last year the Dodgers had $549M in revenue but made only $26M profit, both according to Forbes.
I do expect both to be considerably higher for this year.
kje76
Moreover, ticket revenue per game is actually split with the opposing team, so the Dodgers wouldn’t benefit from the full ticket value in any case.
Tom
I know what’s reported…I don’t believe it’s the actual numbers since their books are private. Forbes is only guessing, like we all are.
Tom
I know they split ticket revenue, but they also split ticket revenue when they travel, and Dodgers (especially with Ohtani now) draw extremely well on the road.
All I’m saying is it’d be fun to see how much the Dodgers (or any MLB team, but specifically LA with Ohtani and everything he brings), generates and spends. I don’t expect it to ever happen because they’re private companies and have that right. Just speculating because it’s fun.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – Forbes is a longtime financial institution in America, right up there with the Wall Street Journal. They both have an impeccable reputation.
Forbes doesn’t guess. Revenue and operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) are net of revenue sharing, competitive balance taxes and stadium revenue used for debt service. Ownership stakes in regional sports networks, as well as related profits or losses, are excluded from their valuations and operating results, as are investments in real estate and other businesses.
Sources include sports bankers, team and league executives, public documents like leases and filings related to public bonds, and media rights experts.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – Visiting teams stopped receiving ticket revenue during the regular season when Revenue Sharing began.
What do you want, the big revenue teams to split their ticket revenue with the road teams and then share even more of their remaining revenue through Revenue Sharing? That’s a bizarre way to run a sports league!
Tom
Good grief. Was not looking to open a can of worms and a rash of “experts” who can swear up and down they know everything.
Forbes is an excellent magazine. I read it all the time. My point is that even with their excellent reputation and information gathering techniques, they still do not have access to the team’s books—the actual bottom line. No one does but the teams and their executives/ownership groups. So yes, when Forbes, the WSJ, or any other reputable or non-reputable organization tells you with certainly how much a private entity is earning/spending, it is, in part, speculation—or a guess. An educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.
Tom
I actually could not care less about it. My original post, which some are nitpicking for no apparent reason and trying to correct me, was to say that it’d be a fun and interesting look to see the actual revenue streams and costs associated with running a baseball team. I didn’t begin by discussing how revenues are generated, how they are split/shared, or what it means. All I said was it’d be an interesting read to see the Dodgers (or Yankees, Phillies, Mets, Rays, Pirates, etc.) actually PNL, nothing more, nothing less.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – Rejecting what is likely a fairly accurate estimate seems kinda silly, don’t you think? Especially considering the major components of the estimates are indeed reported by the teams. You know player payroll expenses are reported by the teams, right? Even including their benefits. Player expense is THE largest expense on the P&L (Profit & Loss statement, also know as an “Income Statement”)
But I gave you a thumb for the Charlie Brown reference, made me smile :O)
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – You can see the Braves financials as they were spun off as their own legal entity (Atlanta Braves Holdings) and are publicly traded. You can even buy shares of their stock!
Tom
Once again…WHO CARES? All I said is it would be fun to know, with 100% certainty what these teams (and a specific few, for various reasons) earn and spend. At the end of the day does it matter? No. Not one bit. Simply stating it’d be fun to see. With some things I like the minute details, the actual facts and not a “fairly accurate estimate.” We’re allowed to have a difference of opinion, and continually responding and trying to make either yourself seem better or me seem worse is pointless. You accept the “fairly accurate estimates.” I do too, and I don’t care all that much whether it’s accurate, fairly accurate, or off by 2000%, just saying it’d be an interesting read to look over the actual books of the team, not estimates that are given by outside organizations.
Also, since you’re so inclined to try to make me feel bad or stupid or “silly”, there is no word “kinda”. It looks and sound very immature when you can’t spend two more seconds to write “kind of.”
Tom
And I didn’t mention the Braves. I mentioned a few other teams that I’d be interested in. I can see financials of lots of companies. That doesn’t mean they are 100% accurate, and it doesn’t mean I know what other companies generate. Anyway, WHO CARES?
Gasu1
Forbes is not an “institution”; it is media, they do not perform audits, and they will do the best they can given their limitations in reporting a story as accurately as is feasible. And given their constraints, they are perfectly willing to publish estimates based on limited data, in order to tell a story for their readers.
Baseballisthebest
Tom, You can. The Braves are owned by a publicly traded corporation.
Baseballisthebest
Player expenses are the largest expense. They are still less than 50% for most teams.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tom – Wow, why are you so angry during this wonderful holiday season?
I’m answering your questions with lots of great information and instead of showing appreciation you reply with “Who cares?”
Seriously? What’s up with that?
So because I am providing great information you think I’m trying to make you look bad?
This is a forum where (mostly) adults have adult conversations in which information and opinions are shared. I have been extremely respectful in staying focused on the subject being discussed WITHOUT my getting personal. It’s unfortunate you chose to get personal with me though.
It’s sad that you are so insecure just because others have knowledge that you don’t. Those feelings you describe of being “bad or stupid” is 100% on you, not anyone else.
If someone like Dave Dombrowski was here sharing his knowledge, I would APPRECIATE his doing so …. I wouldn’t try to shame him for doing so, which you are clearly trying do with me.
Now I’m not going to waste any more time with you on this. It’s the holiday season and there’s a ton going on in the baseball world, I won’t allow you to take me out of a good mood or suck me into a childish back-and-forth.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving and please move on.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gasu – In America an institution is defined as “a society or organization founded for a religious, educational, social, or similar purpose.”.
Forbes falls into the “organization founded for an education purpose” category.
Another definition of institution in America is “A well-known and established thing in a particular field”.
Forbes is established as one of the most well-known entities in the world of finance.
Agree with you they are very thorough in what they report and they give the most accurate estimates possible. It’s foolish to disregard their efforts simply because their estimates don’t come directly from the teams.
As they say, beggars can’t be choosers …. if it’s reasonable and from a highly credible source and there’s nothing else to rival it, that should be good enough.
Fever Pitch Guy
Baseball – Do you have a source please? Hard to imagine SG&A not being less than player payrolls that are often more than $200M annually.
You aren’t talking about Capex now are you?
Johnny Devil
It doesn’t matter what their payroll is, if their pitchers continue to blow out their arms at every level. Snell and his 100 innings fits right in.
Tom
I’m not angry at all. I made a simple comment—It’d be fun to see the actual books of certain MLB baseball teams—because I’m genuinely curious and like looking at mundane facts such as these. I’m well aware you can get reasonable estimates of where the finances are, but they’re not 100% accurate and never will be.
Why would it be so hard for you to either simply read my comment and move on, or add, “Yeah, that’d be interesting” if you also share the same curiosity. Instead, you have spent days condescendingly lecturing me that the information that I’m curious about is out there to be consumed when it’s not.
I was simply making a passing comment on an article because I enjoy baseball, both the game and its economics, nothing more. You want to look for someone in a bad mood or causing unpleasant occurrences, look in the mirror.
You have a happy Thanksgiving as well.
stymeedone
Still pulling number out of thin air, @Jersey?
detroitdave84
Soto signs for $1 than defers 700 million until 2030
YankeesBleacherCreature
Paying Soto 3/195 or 4/260 would be very unwise.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
$65 million gets them Snell and Burnes instead for rotation of Yamamoto, Ohtani, Glasnow, Snell, Burnes, Gonsolin/Kershaw.
Hard pass for trolley dodgers for Soto on those terms.
JerseyShoreScore
It is not one or the other…
They only need one SP…
They could go Teoscar Hernandez and Blake Snell for $60 million.
The could go just swap in Soto in lieu of Hernandez and it may cost them more in 2025 dollars if it is frontloaded. However, it saves them significantly for tax purposes by extending the deal over 14 years and if Soto opts out, they paid a fair rate for those three years if Soto keeps putting up 7 to 9 WAR each season.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Considering that Manny Machado opted out and resigned for 11/350 at age 30 in ’23, it’s 100% certain Soto will opt-out.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
65 million makes lineup that looks like ohtani, Soto, betts, and freeman
Also who needs to give a big contract when you can get sasaki for pennies
Longtimecoming
With 586 deferred to 2040-2054
BennyG1919
The guys signing these contracts aren’t very good at economics… they don’t seem to understand time value of money
Tigers3232
In Ohtani’s case he has a ton coming in off endorsements. The deferrals and the misconceived vale adds to his lore to an extent. Further bolstering his brand which strengthens endorsement $.
I most cases tho with the smaller deferrals they take a little less upfront and it hedges their personal investments and provides security and peace of mind for the future.
nacb55
You don’t know tax implications. He has a ton of endorsement revenue coming in now- may not want to pay top tax dollars on this now and also gives him time to figure out a new method to shelter the dollars coming in. Present day dollars that are taxed may be less than future sheltered $
labial
He lives in California and is not a us citizen. It’s my understanding that under current law the deferral is non taxable if he moves out of the country.
pokeyinla
Not buying this. Friedman doesn’t do opt outs or no trade clauses for that matter unless your name is Ohtani. Even then, Ohtani’s opt outs are if Friedman or Mark Walter (the PR owner) leaves during the duration of his contract. Soto is no Shohei and the Dodgers already proved that they don’t need Juan to win. Quite the contrary.
Fever Pitch Guy
Jersey – Having read all the comments here, it’s not surprising that NOT ONE mentioned the TRUE cost of the Dodgers signing Soto.
Dodgers have been over the CBT for three consecutive seasons , that adds a 50% penalty for every dollar over $241M next year.
And the Dodgers at this very moment with the players they’ve already got are projected to spend $248M next year … which means an additional 60% penalty for every additional dollar they add to next year’s payroll.
Which means it would be a 110% penalty on Soto’s salary.
Which means under your scenario Soto would cost $136.5M annually for his first four seasons.
Not even the Dodgers will drop that much coin on one player. They already have a core of players that should get them deep into the playoffs frequently over the next several years, they don’t need a guy like Soto.
Freddy_Sez
Is this the stage when we start watching planes or is that the next stage?
Baseballisthebest
That is next stage. Happens during the Winter Meetings.
rememberthecoop
14 years, 660M.
Captain Dunsel
13y, 655 with easily achieved if healthty option for year 14 at 46.
rememberthecoop
I say you stretch out the # of years for luxury tax reasons.
Tom
Probably high. Don’t see Soto smashing every record when only a few teams can actually afford him. He’ll have to either choose between breaking the $50M AAV barrier or $600M.
I see a deal of 13years, $611mm or so. Most likely from the Mets.
johncoltrane
Blue Jays, Red Sox, Phillies , Giants, Rays, and Royals – wtf ??
soto is going to NY , stop wasting time
lfg!
Bucsfan4ever
Red Sox I could see as a maybe. But I agree with you that no way in the world does Soto go to the Blue Jays mostly because of the money exchange rate, to the Rays and Royals because they don’t spend that kind of money, not to the Giants because they are not a contender, and not to the stinking Phillies because they will be a team on the decline before long.
Sabermetric Acolyte
Ian Browne actually had an interesting reason why (Assuming the Red Sox make the highest offer) Soto might choose Boston. In NY he would always be fiddle to Judge. In Boston, it would instantly be his team.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen. It’s just an interesting thought. Yankees are still easily the favorites.
SomTeaver
He wouldn’t in NY Mets.
stymeedone
Are the Red Sox just collecting DH’s?
Mynameisnoname
Boston writer says…
Dude, Soto is no. 1 in NY already. Judge stinks up the joint every October and is almost a decade older than Soto with the soon to be smaller contract. The torch has already been passed.
And why are we ignoring Devers in Boston who is on a lifetime contract with the team that drafted him. Serious home cooking perspective in that column.
jnorthey
I’m guessing most Americans don’t know the Jays local TV is 40+ million viewers. When contending they get near a million viewers for spring training games. Plus Rogers owns both the Jays and the TV network that shows them and the stadium. Massive incentive to win with crazy revenue potential.
stymeedone
Plus it might not be long before the Canadian dollar is more valuable than the US.
fox471 Dave
Teally?
fox471 Dave
Really?
old elpaso
That was the case, but not longer starting 01-20-25
metsin4
The average person’s disposable income is around 25k a year lower than the USA. Not all viewership is the same.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bucs – Sorry but you make no sense. Soto wouldn’t go to the Jays because he’d be paid in US dollars and living half the year in a country where those US dollars are currently worth 40% more in Canadian currency? Really?
BTW – If you believe Baerga, who has gotten it right at times in the past, Soto wants to play with Vlad. That gives a huge advantage to the Jays, assuming they extend Vlad at some point. No matter how much Soto praised Judge, that friendship can’t match the lifelong bond between Vlad and Soto (and Tatis also).
Ragnarlb
Why would he want to pay NY city taxes over PA or South Jersey. For the numbers he’s hitting that would be millions he would be giving away.
Blue Baron
Ragnarlb: Boras is too smart not to require all offers to account for state and local tax differences.
Tigers3232
All salaries are paid in USD. Value of Canadian currency only relevant for cost of living purposes for time lived in countrym
Baseballisthebest
I thought players got paid and pay local and state taxes where each game is played.
Tigers3232
Correct for the taxes. That’s $ they are paying though. They are all paid in USD which is paid to them.
I’m sure most have accountants who handle such things. But if any don’t they probably just pay taxes with a credit/debit card and the currency is automatically exchanged. Living in Metro Detroit I’ve been to Canada often and I use debit and credit cards without having to do anything it’s all handled by Visa or Mastercard.
Blue Baron
Tigers3232: Agents like Boras have accountants on staff. Players don’t spend time on or dirty their hands with making tax payments.
Most likely, the accountants set up direct debit of quarterly estimated tax and balance due payments in the tax preparation software.
RunDMC
Are you really questioning living in NYC (with money) vs. Jersey/Philly?
johncoltrane
these fools hahaha “come to toronto we have 1 million tv viewers in spring training” or “jersey has less taxes” lolll
soto will be a billionaire in NY with all the endorsements. if he goes to philly or toronto or KC, steve cohen will BUY those teams and then trade soto to mets
VonPurpleHayes
Most Yankees and Mets players don’t even live in the main city area. Same with Phillies players. All these guys live in the burbs. Many live in Jersey. So really, the living situation between teams in the Tri-State area isn’t a factor.
all in the suit that you wear
The Blue Jays will likely be very competitive like they were with Yamamoto.
BennyG1919
They have a 0% chance of signing him … they could offer $750 mill and he will still sign with the Mets
PhilliesFan91
He’s not signing with the mets, Mets need pitching. I don’t see them dropping 700+ then dropping over 200 for Burns or Snell
johncoltrane
@philies
yea your ‘re right
a team would never spend 700 then drop over 200 for a pitcher in 1 offseason. it has never happened
EVER
VonPurpleHayes
Cohen is going to do exactly that. He’s insane. I think Soto is a Yankee or Met, but Phils will make a legitimate offer.
PhilliesFan91
Phillies are the best fit for him
Blue Baron
PhilliesFan91: Just because Middleton wouldn’t doesn’t mean Cohen won’t. He’s worth more than Middleton and several other MLB owners combined.
PhilliesFan91
Yea well Middleton wants his trophy back, Soto fits best in Philly because we have a line up put together & rotation is locked up. If he wants to win another ring , Philly is the place to go
PhilliesFan91
Schwarber
Turner
Harper
Casty
Soto
Realmuto
Stott
Bohm/Arenado/Sosa
Rojas/Marsh
Tigers3232
Cohen seems quite sane. He opened his checkbook for a brief period signing shorter higher AAV deals aligning with other $ coming off books.
Then instead of just eating a bit less salary when team wasnt performing, took the larger hit and bolstered farm system. Strengthening teams future and certainly writing off all the salary ate in some fashion.
DroppedThirdStrike
You have Soto hitting 5th in your fantasy?
Blue Baron
PhilliesFan91: Not this year it wasn’t. That was a fun division series.
websoulsurfer
John, that is some classic sarcasm. There should be a warning label with your accounts that says, “Warning! Biting sarcasm may occur.”
mookiesboy
you’re dreaming phillie fan!
old elpaso
Fun thought, but no chance
CoachSantoni
Turner
Sosa
Harper
Schwarber
Bohm
Stott
Casty
Realmuto
Marsh
Big whiffa
I see them doing that. Why not ?
Blue Baron
PhilliesFan91: That’s not happening. Five teams have made offers, and the Phillies aren’t one of them.
VonPurpleHayes
Sometimes you meet with a player as a favor to an agent to drive the price up. Keeping a positive relationship up with Boras is beneficial to these owners.
johncoltrane
@hayes
or a tm meets with soto bec why not? there’s a .0001% chance soto says 1 day “i rly hoped to be a pittsburgh pirate but they never called”
you dont wanna be that GM or owner who didnt take a meeting bec they thought they have no shot at it
Tigers3232
@John Ot hasn’t happened. I’m assuming you re referring to Ohtani here, who will ultimately cost Dodgers $460M. ACCRUED INTEREST, will just sum it up with that.
VonPurpleHayes
Right exactly. Also, offering big money gets back to future FAs too. What doesn’t work now can work later. Obviously it’d be great sign a player, but there are legitimate reasons to be used to bring the price up.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Big Papi and Pedro are pushing the red sox Dominican connection. and he will be the man with a team loaded with talent in the majors and the minors.
Bit alas, Henry will cheap out and tell the fans that the sox were close.
letitbelowenstein
Never happen, but just once I’d like to see someone like Soto sign with a Kansas City, a Pittsburgh or a Cincinnati. It would be like the dawning of a new day in MLB. Fans in lower-market cities would have something to root for.
johncoltrane
@lowen
Griffey signed with cincy at his peak
Blue Baron
johncoltrane: Griffey didn’t sign with the Reds. He was traded to Cincinnati.
websoulsurfer
Ken Griffey Jr. signed a 9-year, $116,5 million contract with the Reds in 2000. As part of that deal, the Reds deferred payment to him from 2009 to 2024, and he made an estimated $3.6 million in 2024 despite retiring from Major League Baseball in 2010.
sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/ken-griffey-jr-reds-c…
BetancesWithWolves
KC led MLB is payroll in 1990
deseret.com/1990/11/7/18889956/royals-lead-the-lea…
CardsFan57
I’m certain he gets the biggest overall contract. I’m curious to see if the AAV surpasses Ohtani and Judge.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think Soto will get less than $600 million, but with no deferrals. Even that will be a huge overpay for a future DH. The guy is an amazing professional hitter but not a freak athlete or an elected defender or runner.
rememberthecoop
No way it’s less than 600M. No chance.
Tigers3232
I don’t see him exceeding $600M either. Only way is with deferrals but present value I only see him eclipsing $500M
Blue Baron
Commenter: It’s not an overpay if the market bears it.
SomTeaver
How many shirts do you think it takes to cover Soto’s salary? Someone here claimed Ohtani made Dodgers around 100 MUSD in revenue this year only…
differentbears
If you’re going a roundabout way to saying that Juan Soto isn’t as marketable as Shohei Ohtani, I don’t think anyone will disagree with you.
But “only” in regards to more than doubling what Ohtani costs the Dodgers in yearly salary (his 2M + 45M or so they put aside for the deferral) is a strange way to put it. Again, whatever the number, no, Soto isn’t bringing in the same amount, but 100M is a successful amount. It’s also probably not accurate, being quite low. I’ve heard markedly higher figures for what Ohtani’s first year netted the Dodgers.
casualfan
This is most untrue. I would think any large free agent contract that doesn’t provide equal or better value then what you paid is an overpay. It’s sort of the definition of over paying for anything. You paid more then the actual value of the item or service. Just because “the market” decides Soto is worth $650 mil does not mean he’ll be worth $650 mil.
stymeedone
@ blue barron
Does the market really bear it if 29 of the 30 teams in the market say its an overpay?
Tigers3232
Physical mdse has become just a segment of teams revenue. Media deals and endorsements are where they ve been seeing enormous growth. As for Ohtani, he is the crown jewels for that segment with the following he commands in Asian markets.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Blue Baron
I am using the term “overpay” in the context of assessing whether a deal was good or bad at its conclusion as opposed to the opportunity cost of actually spending the same amount of money for alternative assets and the extent to which those assets might influence the number of champuionships and regular season wins during the length of the contract.
While I agree with you that I do not defend the owners who spend less to keep more money in their pockets, I do not believe that, as a definition, “no contract is an overpay”. I would agree that every contract is “market rate” but that market rate can be an overpay.
In any event, our diagreement is merely word usage semantics.
Tigers3232
The fact that they allow teams to essentially pocket revenue sharing is a joke. The whole system was supposed to have been to create parody. Or at least was portrayed as such to fans. Ultimately it just seems it was made to be mechanism to allow smaller market teams to get their cut of the spoils.
DroppedThirdStrike
Create parody=mission accomplished.
Create parity=um…no.
Captainmike1
That’s not true there are
Plenty of disaster signings the past couple decades
JerseyShoreScore
outkick.com/sports/shohei-ohtani-might-best-contra…
Baseballisthebest
If one team pays it, that is market rate.
Baseballisthebest
Dodgers only sold a few hundred extra tickets per game and they don’t get any money directly for merchandise sales even if it’s sold at their stadium store. That is split 50/50 with the MLBPA and MLB teams so Dodgers get 1/60th of that revenue. I am sure they got extra money from luxury box sakes, sponsorships, or in stadium advertising but there is no way the got $100 million worth. Maybe $10-12 million more than 2023.
Ohtani rakes in $30 plus million/yr in endorsement money outside of his MLB salary which is why he can afford to fever so much money, but the Dodgers don’t.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Revenue sharing = hush money.
The big market teams pay the small market teams to have their way with them and keep quiet about it.
Trash league.
Baseballisthebest
7 WAR was worth $65 million in free agent signings in the 2023-2024 offseason. Using that as your baseline and factoring in the salary inflation for MLB free agents over the past 24 years, at $46 million AAV Soto would provide the team signing him with $20-25 million in “profit” over his first 5-6 seasons.
Regression starting after his age 30 season is expected, so the next 4 seasons he would produce just 22.5 WAR and $240 million in value. The team that signed him is still making a “profit”, albeit about half the amount they did in those first 5-6 years.
After that his production will fall quickly from age 36-40. The team that signs him will take it in the shorts those years.
Blue Baron
66TheNumber: I don’t believe anyone is forcing you to follow or watch it.
Blue Baron
stymeedone: The market for a good or service is determined by players, not non-players (players in this instance being participants, not athletes).
The market bears what the high bidder is willing to pay, not what non-bidders aren’t.
Tigers3232
#Baseball Yankees and Dodgers have been bringing a ton more than other teams with their networks. Dodgers have a 25 yr $8 billion deal. That deal was made well before Ohtani and I’m sure the Dodgers have received more through Asian markets.
They re paying him $46M in today’s value. He alone generates more than any MLB player ever has annually. I’m sure Dodgers have not only increased team endorsement revenue but also increased sponsorship and advertising fees. They should be easily recouping Ohtani’s salary. He is a marketing unicorn for MLB.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I do not.
Nor do 99% of people under 40.
Trash league killing a dying sport.
PS- Notice that you did not argue I was wrong. Just that I should go away.
Blue Baron
66TheNumber: Because it’s a matter of opinion. I disagree with you. That doesn’t make you objectively wrong.
And where is your proof of this 99% figure?
But please, don’t go away. Stay and have a good time with your negativity.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Do large and small market teams have equal chances to win in MLB as they do in the NHL, NBA and NFL?
CommentsSectionCommenter
@baseballis
You keep writing the same thing as it regards the Dodgers’ Ohtani-related sponsorship profits; this time, you’re saying there’s “no way” it’s more than “maybe $10-12M” more than in 2023.
Feel free to show your work.
Baseballisthebest
I only said it once. Show me anything that shows the Dodgers are making more than I posted.
Clofreesz
Let’s see ’em come.
86mets
And the Pirates swoop in and sign Soto! 60 years and 650 million $. With huge deferrals of course.
Bucsfan4ever
Yeah like deferred until 2125
Lindor's Bodyguard
Sotofan4ever
bucsfan0004
I expect Soto and his agent to review every offer, and make a final decision sometime around Valentine’s Day
Bucsfan4ever
Maybe Saint Patrick’s Day
Bill M
My money’s on International Carrot Day
Kewldude69
Gonna be the Padres. Preller is the only GM dumb enough to trade great talent away (Trea Turner), then to offer them a mega contract when a FA.
Blue Baron
Kewldude69: What’s truly dumb is a comment calling Preller or any successful GM or POBO dumb.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Well, he can’t spell cool, so there’s that.
Kewldude69
If you’re going to comment on my name, you need to fix your grammar and put quotes around “cool.” Thx.
Kewldude69
If your team is still paying Eric Hosmer and has only made the playoffs two times in around ten years, you’re not good at your job.
Let me know how paying Yu Darvish into his 40’s, and that Boagarts mega contract work out
Baseballisthebest
You are the antithesis of cool and only the 2nd person to earn a mute.
websoulsurfer
Padres have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 5 seasons.
Padres attendance has been franchise records in 4 of the last 4 years and led MLB in percentage of capacity in 2 of the last 3 seasons.
Padres revenue has grown so much during AJs tenure that they have went from bottom 3 in baseball to a revenue sharing payor. Top 14.
24 teams have paid more than $2.5 million per season to players no longer on their rosters in the past 4 years. 11 teams paid multiple players that were no longer on their rosters in 2024 alone. The Yankees paid $26 million in 2024. The Mets $55 million. The Tigers $8 million. At $13 million, Hosmer was not in the top 5 in salary paid to players no longer on a team.
Let me know when you say anything that is either based in reality or that makes any sense whatsoever.
old elpaso
The muted bully
Gmen777
It’s Yankees or Mets
Poppin' Balls
In other news; the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees have all submitted their individual bids for the moon and the stars.
Rsox
I’ll offer $100 dollars in 4 yearly installments of $25, with zero interest…
Big whiffa
So you are going to charge one nose bleed seat on your cap one card ? Got it !
BennyG1919
Baseball free agency is brutal… they will wait until a week before spring training to sign even though they already know where they are going … I don’t even oat attention anymore
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yet here we are…
Yankee Clipper
I think this year will be different. Boras has his name to clear, and imho, he will do it as publicly as possible – at the Winter Meetings. I foresee a major Boras signing or three occurring then, but most notably, Soto.
Baseballisthebest
He does that almost everytime he has the top free agent. It’s already been discussed here. It would be a real surprise if Soto is not signed at the Winter Meetings.
Big whiffa
I agree w u clip, but outside of top couple FA, he will drag out the rest for every last cent. Bergman has February signing wrote all over him !
Blue Baron
BennyG1919: What an astonishingly dumb comment. No free agent already knows where he is going to sign.
Let me guess. You are convinced that the moon landings were faked, Trump won the 2020 election, and the earth is flat.
davemlaw
I like the Giants approach to Soto. They’ve been burned a few times with big free agents so why go all out?
Ask Boras and Soto if he wants to play there and let them know SFG won’t be used to inflate his salary. If he wants to play there Buster will pull out the wallet; if not, don’t be used as leverage. If Soto wants to be the one and only star of a team that has resources to pay him he could do a lot worse than San Francisco.
Veejh
He’s not going to SF with that pitchers park.
TheGr8One
Ask an agent to be ethical and honest and act like the team has the power? nice to see a fresh face to offseason bidding, welcome.
Blue Baron
davemlaw: That’s not true. He can’t do worse than San Francisco with that huge ballpark.
davemlaw
Baron,
I’ve noticed most of your comments are inciteful and mean spirited.
So I just want to say, whatever is going on in your life, I hope it gets better for you and you find happiness. I bet you’re actually a good person.
Blue Baron
I’m a very happy person with a loving family and successful business, thanks. Not a mean bone in my body.
What part of my comment about the Giants’ home park was offensive to you? Others have said the same thing without you biting their heads off.
But thanks for the compliment about my INSIGHTFUL comments. The glass is always half full.
davemlaw
I was referring to your many other comments.
Happy Thanksgiving! I’m sure whomever you spend the holiday with will enjoy your compassionate and loving company.
NashvilleJeff
@davemlaw: Careful Dave. He’ll mute you just like he did me and dozens of others here who’ve called him out exactly as you did. Blue Baron is an angry, vindictive, and mean spirited little man.
Blue Baron
Being judgmental as you seem to be is not a positive thing. Try not to be the pot.
davemlaw
Nameste BB
MLB Top 100 Commenter
My impression is that Blue Baron – who mostly makes reasonable comments – thinks his “nasty edge” makes him a veritable Don Rickles. My take is that his comments are mostly astute but that nasty edge detracts from his smart responses.
NashvilleJeff
@MLB: He spends most of his time on here posting insults and belittling those who disagree w/him. Nothing about his “nasty” attitude is “astute” or “smart.” His comment above on “being judgmental…..is not a positive thing. Try not to be the pot” is an example of his hypocrisy. That sentence describes him to a T (pot calling the kettle black.) I’m not trying to be rude to you because of your opinion of the guy, but I lost all respect for him a long time ago. I tried to have civil conversations w/him to no avail. Best thing that ever happened to me on here was when he banned me for disagreeing w/him.
Aremti
Seriously…
The contractual numbers being paid to these professional athletes is absolutely mind boggling.
At the present rate of contractual inflation- within a couple of years…someone will be paying someone 1 billion dollars over a 15-20 year period…it will be justified because it will break down to 50-65 million per…right in suit with standard rate of astronomical inflation…
Holy Moses!!!
jimmertee
Soto is going to New York. Which team is the question of the season.
differentbears
He’s already in New York, so he’s staying in NY.
PhilliesFan91
Na he’s gonna walk to broad st
VonPurpleHayes
It’s now being reported that the Phillies are out on Soto and never even contacted his camp. I think it’s safe to say he’s not coming to Broad St.
PhilliesFan91
Philly will get him & its where he’s best suited
Cincyfan85
$1, Bob!
James Midway
They may make their offers but Boras will drag it into April.
teddyballgame
I’m a fan so my opinion is jaded, but I think he signs with the Red Sox on a 14 year, $600M+ deal. They have the strongest future if they utilize all the leverage they have and more importantly, he becomes the face of the franchise and leader of the clubhouse.
Big Papi has been doing a lot of interviews commenting on his signing.
PhilliesFan91
If the phillies don’t sign him that’s where I got him going
Big whiffa
I hope he ends up a Red Sox too ! And they sign a pitcher this week to show Soto they mean business
Also so all the negative Red Sox fans can go suck a lemon lol
los_leebos
is it officially “a Red Sox” when referring to a single member of Boston’s MLB team? Always wondered whether it should be “a Red Sock”. You don’t say “a Diamondbacks”, but maybe if they were the Diamondbax you would.
Big whiffa
Ha ! No clue but I was wondering the same. And this is a ticket from the grammar police I can handle lol. Thx !
los_leebos
i wish all police tickets were like that: just some curious dude asking “is that right or not? I don’t actually know, but carry on either way”. Anytime!
billysbballz
As a die hard Yankee fan I love Soto but not for what it will take to get him and honestly one player who is truly a DH is not worth that much if the team decides it will not spend going forward in other areas. I don’t get how any team can pay 45 million per season for 12 years for a one dimensional albeit generational left handed bat despite his age which honestly Soto does not look 26yo?
I would be happy as a Yankee fan if they signed him but honestly I would not offer Soto more than 10 years at 45 million with all the opt outs he wants! He can have an opt out every year for all I care! If Soto hits .300 and belts 45hr in 2025 and the Yankees win the World Series and he opts out say thank you and move on!
Tigers3232
If he signs a 12 yr deal the back half of the deal could be worth far less. Look at Harper, his deal has already made him somewhat of a discount in baseball economics. And with length of his deal almost no way for him to restructure as MLB is not going to approve any deal going well into his 40s.
JackStrawb
Harper doesn’t play enough for his deal to be any sort of discount.
He’s been worth about 4 bWAR / yr for the last 6 years. His deal is very comparable to other guys in that salary tier and after 6 seasons no one would call this the production they were hoping for from a player’s age 26 to 31 seasons.
Tigers3232
@Jack Harper is also won’t of the more recognized name and face in the sport. He was forced to DH then change positions post surgery which his WAR took a hit. Yes that is ultimately what his value was. Regardless teams would pay him much more in today’s dollars if he were to hit free agency. Lucky for him tho he likely is not going to starve.
Tigers3232
sports.yahoo.com/bryce-harper-has-8-years-left-on-…
unglar
I don’t understand how you can imagine a better team without him. The Yankees can afford to pay whatever it takes, and Hal better make sure we aren’t the laughing stock of the town as Soto joins the Mets and they take the town over.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Me neither. He’s a perfect fit for the Yankees and NY market and media. Some folks here really have a hard time grasping the realities of salaries of modern day pro athletes.
Tomas7
I’d guess he goes to the Dodgers, a better chance to get another ring.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
So the Sox can officially get on with the rest of the offseason by thanksgiving
Old York
Pretty expensive DH. Even Ohtani stole 50+ bases, something Soto doesn’t bring to the table.
TheGr8One
Ohtani stole 50 cause he wasn’t pitching and didn’t need to save his legs. He won’t be stealing 50 while taking the mound
cincinnatikid
I’m waiting for a surprise team to offer him 8 years for 450 million. He could be a free agent again at 34 years old
oldgfan
He’s already 34 though, in DR years.
JackStrawb
He could easily be worthless at that age. Think Dick Allen, Miguel Cabrera, peak Duke Snider. They are done at 32, 33, and 30.
Captainmike1
I sure hope the yanks don’t put all their money into one over rated player (soto)
unglar
Who can they get to replace the production? You spend that salary on Bergman and a first basemen and a bad reliever and your behind still. He concentrates so much value into one spot that no matter who else is on the field, if they’re average, you’re better off with Soto. Not overrated, the best since Ruth and Gehrig.
kzw
I agree with about half of what you said. However…he’s not the best since Ruth and Gehrig. He’s not even as good as Pujols offensively. And that doesn’t even take into account Pujols being a far far superior defender.
Big whiffa
(Judge)
(Cole)
unglar
They’re going to have Cole and Judge either way, they need to maintain the level of play they featured in 2024 because Judge and Cole haven’t gotten it done without him in 4 years. The idea that the Yankees can find the absolute game changing impact of Sotos bat by adding other players is a joke once you do the math on how much you have to pay for talent. Soto is an MVP level player. 2 3war players don’t add up to Soto and cost as much for their 30+ age years, Soto has 6-8 years of prime in front of him, which is long enough to see the end of the Cole and Judge contracts, a period in which the Yankees are all in.
Aussie_dodger
I honestly hope Dodgers don’t sign him
He is a great player but only on a 4-5 year deal.
I know he’s chasing long deals, but from everything everyone is saying he will just be a DH within 4-5 years
I hope he gets as much money as he can and sets up his family for generations.
waittilnextyear
Didn’t see the Guardians call listed. It was an accidental butt dial but a call is a call
brucenewton
Yankees 10/550.
Ma4170
Just give him 3/200 and let him become a FA again at 29 and sign for 9/450 then
JackStrawb
No one’s signing a 29 yo Soto for 9/450.
Ma4170
In three years i bet thats not far fetched. Yanks signed 31 YO judge to 9-360 last year, and if soto hit FA again five years after that deal and two years younger, i could easily see it.
The biggest tr0ll
I still think Yankees sign him
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Can anyone interpret the quatrains of Nostradamus?
I’m sure there’s something in there about Soto’s contract and the team he signs with – maybe the Groundhog knows he’s a reliable source
OR a trickster – You Decide.
isolatedpower
Let the Hunger Games of Misinformation begin!
Heyman: Juan Soco signs with the Giants 14/$669
JP Morosi: Juan Soto is on a plane to Boston
Ben Verlander: Corbin Burnes is one of the best pitchers on the market
Jeff Passan: Ben Verlander and his dildo agree to contract extension.
Joel Sherman: the final boss of scoops
stymeedone
Sometimes, having the extra revenue of a big market, can cause massive mistakes. Just because you can…
wifflemeister
Ronald Acuna thinks he is deserving of this kind of money. Maybe he is but his inept agent signed him to his deal. He will be a problem for Atlanta because of this. It’s a testosterone thing cause 10 mil a year is obviously not enough to pay your bills. The Braves should trade him to one of the head-case teams (looking at you Mets and Yanks) now and avoid the impending drama.
LongTimeFan1
@wifflemeister,
Acuna opted for mega financial security when locked up rather young with the Braves. He’ll enter free agency for his age 31 season. Mega money still awaits if he’s healthy enough. He’s already making reams of money,at 17 mil a season. It’s also possible the Braves renegotiate his contract when his 2 team option years begin in 2027 before he reaches free agency in 2029.
Pickle_Britches
If you can’t pay bills with a 10mill salary then either your a dope addict, a moron or both.
JackStrawb
Acuna has had one year of his last 5 that was better than “pretty good.”
NashvilleJeff
@wifflemeister: Acuna signed the largest deal in baseball history for a player of his age and service class. Nothing “inept” about his signing at that time. $10M a year? Disingenuous to just use the dollar average of the overall deal and pretend that’s “all” Acuna’s making now. The first 5 years of the deal centered on the Braves buying out his arb years. Go to Cot’s and look at the terms of his deal. Maybe his “inept agent” could go back in time and make the Braves pay him according to current market standards.
swanhenge
Duran
Soto
Devers
Casas
LF FA/Trade (Teo?)
Story
Rafaela
Abreu
2B (Grissom?)
Potent line up to be sure, but that’s a bunch of lefties all lined up.
Hard decision on who could go in a big trade. Unfortunately gonna have to pick one of Duran/Abreu/Casas as headliner for Crochet.
In Breslow we trust…?
websoulsurfer
CF – Duran or Rafaela
LF – Soto
RF – Abreu
DH – Devers
1B – Casas
2B – Grissom or Rafaela
SS – Story
3B – ?? (Arenado?)
C – Wong
Yoshida traded?
LongTimeFan1
Soto hasn’t even reached his ceiling with the bat, foot speed and defense.
However, I also think converting Soto to first baseman opens up an outfield spot for a better, faster defensive outfielder. Soto would really have to acclimate to first base, a position he hasn’t played but it would make the team he’s on better over the longer term.
In the case of the Mets that’s a problem should they bring Alonso back – and they both are Boras clients.
Locking up Soto for right field means the Mets would be locked up long term in left (Nimmo) and right field. That leaves only CF open for one homegrown prospect long term who may not be natural CF with plus speed and range ..At some point in a few years Nimmo who will be 32 in 2025, could become DH and part time outfielder.
As a Mets fan, I say sign Soto, but there are big picture roster issues to juggle.
Bill M
Soto has pretty much made it clear that he wants to play RF. Based on that, a switch to 1B is pretty unlikely.
I agree 100% about the Mets roster issues. Lots of juggling to be done.
Phree4u
Soto will play wherever, for whoever offers the most money.
His only motivation to what team he signs for his whoever offers the most money. He’s said this on record and since he turned down the Nationals extension offer.
He is a headhunter and has zero allegiance to any fan base or geographic location.
JackStrawb
So you think Soto’s going to be getting faster at age 26, and a better defender?
Do you know a ‘doctor’?
Tigers3232
@Jack Male humans are typically fastest from mid to late 20s and peak at 27. So statistically yes he’s likely to be faster.
Pickle_Britches
Feel sorry for whatever team over pays for him. Declining OFer- DH full time within 3 years? Wants double what Bryce got nah lol
JackStrawb
Soto would be getting double Harper’s contract for an additional 25 walks and 5 HR a season—from (or should be) the DH slot.
This isn’t hard to parse. No thanks.
vtadave
15 years, $700 million.
Benjamin101677
What if he signs this huge contract and becomes like Stanton with the Yankees and can’t stay healthy. I can’t think of any long term contracts that have be worth the money at the end of the contract.
JerseyShoreScore
Can’t live life in fear because a previous long term contract did not turn out perfectly. Heck, despite injury issues, Stanton has been great in the playoffs.
websoulsurfer
None of them are worth it in the last few years. Almost all of them are worth much more than the player is paid in the first few. The key is balancing those high surplus 1st years with the high loss years.
You can look at deals that have provided surplus value like Bryce Harper so far, Mike Trout so far (if Mike never played another game his 86.2 WAR would provide roughly even value to what he will be paid total in his career), Gerrit Cole, the 1st Machado deal, both Alex Rodriguez deals, Joey Votto, Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer’s deal with the Nationals, Zack Greinke, Derek Jeter’s 2010 deal, Justin Verlander’s deal with the Tigers, Buster Posey, Jose Altuve, CC Sabathia’s 2009 deal. I could go on because there are more, but you get the idea.
Most of them must make the teams money because they keep signing players to long term deals.
olmtiant
Minimum wage and all the chowder he can eat!!! We’ll even throw in two packages of oyster crackers per serving…. Would rather use money for two starters and Teoscar than him….
KingTiger
Skubal and Soto are the replacements for Verlander and Miggy… Make it happen!
Baseballisthebest
Soto is going to sign with the Red Sox. 15 years and $700 million.
casualfan
Unless Soto has developed a cutter and a really good 4 seamer, the Sox are not signing him. They need pitching(doesn’t everyone?). For that money you could sign 2 of Burnes, Fried or Snell.. Surely your chances of getting 7+ WAR from 2 of those pitchers combined is higher then Soto putting up 7 WAR seasons year after year? Soto is unreal with the bat, no doubt, but as we all know brings no value whatsoever in the field or on the bases.
JackStrawb
If you’re looking for consistent production, though, you’ll add two hitters rather than two pitchers.
Two pitchers, especially including someone like Snell who has pitched 130 innings all of twice in eight full seasons, has much higher variance.
If you sign 2 pitchers, you’re also getting 2 declines—more like 4 if you calculate this over the life of Soto’s contract. You’ll also be spending more in total, if you add 4 #1 SPs, 2 in 2025 and 2 in 2032.
websoulsurfer
Burnes and Fried will be around $60-65 million AAV combined, $15-20 more than Soto alone. Fried has averaged 4.0 WAR and Burnes 3.7 WAR over the past 3 seasons, so they would combine for more than the 6.5 WAR Soto has averaged. Last season Fried was 3.5 WAR, Burnes 3.4 WAR and Soto 7.9 WAR.
Soto will be just 26 during the 2025 season so you can count on him repeating 2024 for several seasons far more than you can the 31-year-old Fried and 30-year-old Burnes. Age is a huge factor in why he will be paid as much as the rumors are saying he will.
websoulsurfer
How much of that deferred?
JerseyShoreScore
One would think that this number would $701 million.
dpcollects
Bob Nutting has been saving his money for years for this move! 10 years at $50 million deferred. A total contract value of $22 million in 2024 dollars. #BUCN
websoulsurfer
A group from the Padres including Sheel Seidler (Peter’s widow), Tom Seidler, Eric Kutsenda, AJ Preller, and Mike Shildt met with Soto and Boras. I heard from several people that they met with them at Sheel’s home in La Jolla but have no idea if that is true. If so, they are the only team that didn’t meet Soto and Boras at or near Boras’ offices in Newport Beach.
I doubt that the Padres would be able to offer a non-deferred package in the same range as the Mets or Yankees. but the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting.
The Padres have been in talks with the Guardians but no one seems to know about which players.
They have also been in talks with the Red Sox and I think it includes Rafaela.
In the post season he got spanked by the Padres and then had a 4 inning start against the Mets who had just 1 LHB in the lineup. Then he faced the Yankees and he had a great, 5 inning start and a 1 inning save. A save in which he faced Volpe, Wells, and Verdugo, 3 batters from the bottom of the Yankees lineup with a combined 88 OPS+.
Danny Jensen’s agents Mark Pieper and Michael Hollimon spoke with AJ Preller and AJ Ellis. What that means if anything about Jensen joining the Padres is yet to be seen. ISE represents 65 players, so it could be any of the free agents they represent.
So far this offseason the Padres have held everything very close to the vest. It is going to be interesting to see what kind of moves they make.
Brettlez
Baseballs such a joke. All these big free agents only have a chance to go to like 8 big market teams and the rest get bread crumbs.
JackStrawb
“…given the fact that the acquisition of Soto forced the Yankees to use Aaron Judge as their everyday center fielder last year.”
—What is this foolishness? No reason not to put them in the corners and play a CFer in, get this, CF.
unglar
The Yankees better pony up. If hal Steinbrenner doesn’t have the stomach to hand out the biggest contracts he owns the wrong team. Perhaps he should sell to someone who can afford to keep the best tandem in baseball since Ruth and Gehrig. 15/725, opt outs, incentives, whatever it takes. Get him back in pinstripes and let’s put the ugly loss in the World Series behind us, reload and play some ball.
If hal, happens to read this and signs Soto, I’d like to thank him, and will not complain about the price of beer for the remainder of his stay as a yankee.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Overpay
websoulsurfer
Nick Deeds, Soto’s offseason home is not in Ft Lauderdale and hasn’t been since 2021 when he moved to a DC suburb in Virginia. He bought a house in Coronado California in May 2023 and resides there when not in the DR.
Part of the reason that teams have been flying in to see Soto and Boras in California is that both are located in southern California. Boras’ offices are in Newport Beach, about 90 miles up the coast from Coronado.
For players at the top of the market, rarely is where their offseason home is located a factor in where they sign. Soto and Boras have repeatedly said that location will play no factor in where he signs. so please stop mentioning it unless you also quote both of them saying it will play no part in his decision.
stingray23
This is a 2 team race. Mets vs Yankees. Nobody else.
Skyrider123
Now watch the Dodgers sign him
This one belongs to the Reds
I’m sure the Reds are the mystery team.
I needed a good laugh on Monday morning.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I think the Dodgers would only be seriously interested in Soto if they didn’t win the world series.
JerseyShoreScore
Andrew Friedman was quoted as saying, “he hopes this becomes remembered as the Golden Age of Dodgers Baseball.” So, winning in 2024 does not lessen the urgency to improve the team.
World Championships generate around an extra $100 million in additional team revenue.
I think Friedman views adding Soto as the difference between winning an extra World Series over the next four years…
That would pay a good portion of Soto’s first 3 or 4 years with the Dodgers…
Soto would likely opt out after 3 o 4 years of a front loaded Dodgers offer.
Phree4u
Why would the dodgers front load a contract with opt outs? Opt out contacts are generally paid even each year or a small front load, but not egregious.
JerseyShoreScore
The Dodgers would prefer Soto on a 3 to 5 year contract.
Grossly overpaying Soto $65 or $75 million per season in the first four years would motivate him to opt out.
Putting those numbers at the front end of 14 or 15 years greatly diminishes the AAV, as well as the luxury tax implications and would be the ideal scenario for the Dodgers as they already are at the top of the tax threshold. Dodgers have plenty of cash, so the $250 or $300 million over the first four years is fine, especially if they are only taxed on $135 or $180 million of that… .
If Soto is great, he certainly opts out and the Dodgers are fine with that. If Soto is just good or really loves LA, then they pay him a bit below value in real dollars over the last 10 years or so…
ChuckyNJ
“World Championships” mean nothing outside Murica, F$&k Yeah! Take that Team America nonsense to talk radio.
Big whiffa
Mets are clear favorites. Red Sox are second.
I don’t see how he’s even considering Yankees. Their contracts and system have bleak franchise that peaked this year wrote all over them !
unglar
Red Sox don’t sign superstars. They had, in Mookie Betts the absolute definition of a safe bet for a franchise all-time great but didn’t want to pay him. The dodgers swooped in and stole him. But the last big contract the Sox gave out was Trevor Story? Which was a huge mistake. I’d be stunned if they finished ahead of the bidding in front of any of:
NYMets
SF Giants
TOR Blue Jays
LA Dodgers
PHI Phillies
Or the NY Yankees who better shell out the cash or they’re not going back to the WS until they develop another star.
Big whiffa
lol. They gave devers a bazillion dollars and have made several huge signings in the past in comparison to what top FA get. Dont be so negative.
I can’t see him going to Toronto or Giants. And dodgers and philis don’t make sense financially. You can’t be over the cap every season and neither of those teams would ever get back under the cap again paying Soto 60 mil per
Mets are clear favorites imo
Mikenmn
It depends on how he plays this. Soto is a tremendous offensive force and a “can play a position now” in the field. He’s going to be overpaid because of his age…sign him for 12 years, and it’s not unreasonable to think the first 3/4 of it, you get a guy who can really hit while become more of a DH.. The last few years are a matter of luck. Look at Machado’s contract. Does anyone think either the player or the team think he’s going to be effective at 38-40? But for Soto it’s an interesting question of where. He’s going to make so much money that the last few million a year should matter less than competing for a WS year in and year out. I don’t know if Boras and Soto would agree, but you think Mike Trout, with perfect foresight, wouldn’t? I think Dodgers or Mets. Yankees are going to have some transitional years
ChuckyNJ
Dodgers’ biggest need is starting pitching, not putting together a team of galacticos. Noticed where Walker Buehler is being linked with the Yankees? Realize that Clayton Kershaw may retire rather than hang on thru more injuries?
JerseyShoreScore
Fortunately, the $120 million in new revenue generated by Ohtani in 2024, along with another $100 million in new World Series revenue, affords the Dodgers the opportunity to add both Soto and an SP1. Sasaki is a wild card, but he would be basically free to add. So, adding Soto and Snell, would be a strong off season and Sasaki an added bonus.
Dodgers are not going insanely spend for the long run, but in the short run 3 to 5 seasons, they are going to go all in. If they win another World Series or two, the investments they make will pay off financially. Their total revenue is high enough anyway, so they are just forfeiting some of the team profits in an attempt to usher in the golden age of Dodgers baseball as Friedman indicated.
JackStrawb
Hard not to notice every comment lauding Soto has to pretend baseball is mostly just hitting and on-base percentage.
Why? Because in the overall Soto is no better than someone like Marcus Semien, Paul Goldschmidt (Soto will need 7 bWAR in 2025 just to keep up with Paul Goldschmidt’s best eight year stretch, 43.3 bWAR, of 2015-2022), or Nolan Arenado, and not quite as good as Joey Votto—and nowhere near the peak seven seasons of a non-Hall of Famer like Chase Utley (49.3 bWAR 2005-2011 vs Soto’s 36.4 bWAR 2018-2024).
Semien’s bWAR 2018-2024, btw, is 37.4 bWAR.
The idea that Soto will receive as long and as rich a contract or THE richest contrast ever given out in the game’s history reads like a sick joke when we have the full context.
As for the last few years of Soto’s contract, they won’t involve luck—they’ll be worthless short of a medical revolution involving rich ballplayers. Could happen, but Damon Runyon might add, “that’s not the way to bet.”
Stearns knows all of this perfectly well and given the wealth of players in this year’s FA class who fit nicely into the Mets’ many needs, it will be remarkable if the Mets outbid the Yankees for Soto. Why would they? They’re not nearly under the pressure the Yankees—with their roster shortcomings and enormous payroll commitments—are to sign Soto, even if it means significantly overpaying him.
In fact if the Mets sign Soto it will only remind us that Steve Cohen is still playing Mets GM. It’s not that we should care about Cohen’s money, it’s just clear there are hard limits to Mets payroll, and $600 million spent on a projectable 6-win DH is $600 million not spent on players who are very likely to add more wins to the Mets than Soto would.
kzw
I agree with you 100%. The guy has zero value defensively. And while he is an outstanding hitter, giving this guy the contract that he is about to receive makes absolutely zero sense to me. You completely forgot Pujols who Soto will never touch. But will done with Chase Utley. My second favorite player of all time. But…who am I? I’m just a nobody on a trade rumors website.
draker
The third paragraph of this article opens with what might be the longest run-on sentence in the history of MLBTR. Congratulations!
fathead0507
Atlanta.. opt out after yr 4 , coincides with Acuna hitting free agency as after 2028 season.. Soto opts out Braves resign Acuna.. Soto stays then Acuna isn’t resigned.. But Atlanta gets to enjoy the 4 yrs together
NashvilleJeff
@fathead0507: As a Braves fan, I approve of your fever dream!
pepenas34
I just don’t buy he is 26
JackStrawb
“As a two-time MVP finalist and career .285/.421/.532 hitter…”
… who is already in some decline in that context, with a line of .269/.410/.516 from 2022 through 2024.
C;mon, MLBTR—why even pretend 2018-2021 is relevant here when even seasons as recent as 2021 are considered at most just trivially important by every projection system in the world for purposes of figuring out what Soto will do in 2025 and after?
When two-tool players who are below average everywhere else decline, they decline fast. Miguel Cabrera and Dick Allen are two of Soto’s closest comps, and they were done after ages 33 and 32, respectively. If Soto follows suit the last half of his contract will be worthless, except to Soto’s bank account.
Caveat emptor.
Otto371
Is his defense that bad? He is young and should be athletic enough to handle a corner spot, no? Even in the second half of whatever contract he signs I just find it hard to believe he cant handle a corner.
Bill M
He can handle it. Just not very well.
cencal
Just cannot see the hype.
Great hitter. NOT legendary.
41HR with Judge, the AL MVP behind him, short porch to his power side?
Meh, hard pass for the dollars being thrown around.