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Looking For A Match In A Luis Castillo Trade

By Nick Deeds | December 29, 2024 at 9:15am CDT

One of the worst-kept secrets in baseball this winter is the Mariners’ need for infield help. If the 2024 season were to start today, the club would have J.P. Crawford locked in at shortstop but little certainty around the rest of the diamond. First base would likely be occupied by a platoon of Luke Raley and Tyler Locklear, the latter of whom struggled badly in a 16-game cup of coffee with Seattle last year. Second and third base would be even dicier. Dylan Moore is capable of playing both positions and could be an everyday player for the club after appearing in 135 games last year but may be better suited for a super utility role given his impressive versatility and struggles against same-handed pitching. Ryan Bliss, Austin Shenton, and Leo Rivas are all young and intriguing hitters who made their big league debuts in 2024, but none of them got even 100 plate appearances in the majors last year and would be risky to rely on in full-time roles.

That obvious need for an infielder or two has led the Mariners to consider making a move they’ve long resisted pulling the trigger on: trading from their vaunted starting rotation. There’s an argument to be made that Seattle boasts the best starting rotation in baseball. George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller, and Bryan Woo form the sort of proven, controllable corps of young starters that most teams can only dream of developing, and veteran right-hander Luis Castillo has served as a veteran anchor for the club’s rotation ever since he was acquired from the Reds following the 2022 trade deadline. While the Mariners still seem unlikely to part with any of the youngsters in their rotation, they’ve begun to at least listen to offers on Castillo, who has drawn interest around the league thanks to his fairly affordable contract and consistently above average results.

That’s not to say a Castillo trade comes without potential obstacles. While the right-hander has pitched well during his two full seasons in Seattle, he’s not posted the same front-of-the-rotation results he flashed earlier in his career with Cincinnati. After posting a 3.46 ERA (132 ERA+) with a near-matching 3.43 FIP from 2019 to 2022, Castillo’s 3.48 ERA (110 ERA+) has remained stagnant the last two years despite a much friendlier home ballpark for pitching while his 3.86 FIP is a noticeable step backwards from the earlier days of his career and his fastball velocity has lost a tick or two since he arrived in Washington.

Aside from those potential concerns for would-be suitors, Castillo also wields a full no-trade clause and could block any trade if he so chooses. One final wrinkle from the Mariners’ perspective is their lack of starting pitching depth behind an excellent top five rotation pieces; Emerson Hancock would likely be the next man up if Castillo was dealt, but he struggled in 12 starts last year and there’s virtually no big league ready starting depth behind him in the organization. That could make a team that could offer a young starter in addition to infield help a particularly attractive trade partner for Seattle.

So, which clubs are best suited to swinging a deal for the right-hander? Let’s take a look at nine possible options, listed alphabetically between three tiers:

Best Fits:

  • Blue Jays: The Blue Jays have had a difficult offseason so far, as they’ve struck out on both Juan Soto and Corbin Burnes in free agency. Their biggest addition to this point is infielder Andrés Giménez, who they swung a deal to acquire from the Guardians during the Winter Meetings. With that said, they’re known to be in the market for starting pitching help, and Castillo would form a solid veteran nucleus in the rotation alongside Kevin Gausman, José Berríos, and Chris Bassitt. What’s more, the Jays have a number of interesting young infielders like Davis Schneider, Leo Jiménez, and Will Wagner who could be of interest to the Mariners.
  • Giants: The Giants made a big splash just before the Winter Meetings began by signing Willy Adames but join Toronto in being a top reported suitor for Burnes who missed out on the right-hander when he agreed to a deal with Arizona late Friday night. Castillo would be an excellent starter to pair with Logan Webb at the front of San Francisco’s rotation, and the Giants have previously expressed a willingness to deal first baseman LaMonte Wade Jr. this winter. Wade, 31 on New Year’s Day, has posted a solid .258/.376/.401 (120 wRC+) with a fantastic 15% walk rate over the past two seasons.
  • Orioles: As the team Burnes pitched for in 2024 prior to reaching free agency, the Orioles join the Blue Jays and Giants in the hunt for a top-of-the-rotation arm now that he’s departed for the desert. The need for a front-end arm in Baltimore is perhaps more acute than it is anywhere else on this list, as 2023’s staff ace Kyle Bradish isn’t expected to pitch in the first half of 2025 following UCL surgery last year. Castillo would slot in front of Zach Eflin and Grayson Rodriguez for the Orioles, offering some much-needed stability to the Baltimore rotation. In return, the Orioles could offer a player from their surplus of first base options such as Ryan Mountcastle and perhaps even add in a young starter like Cade Povich to help replace Castillo in the Seattle rotation. Notably, the Orioles are among the teams that have reportedly inquired after the right-hander this winter.

Next Tier Down:

  • Braves: The Braves watched both Max Fried and Charlie Morton depart from their rotation for free agency last month but have yet to make a significant move this offseason outside of trading Jorge Soler away to the Angels. Adding an arm like Castillo to the mix behind Chris Sale and (eventually) Spencer Strider would offer the club another high-end starter while also providing security to a rotation full of frequently injured hurlers. Atlanta doesn’t have much to offer in the way of infield help outside of prospect Nacho Alvarez Jr. but could help supplement the Mariners rotation by offering a controllable starter like Bryce Elder or AJ Smith-Shawver as part of the return.
  • Cubs: The Cubs have already been connected to Castillo this winter and are known to be in the market for a front-end starter to pair with Justin Steele and Shota Imanaga, but the club’s recent trade for Kyle Tucker has seemingly complicated the fit between the two sides. The Mariners are known to have had interest in Cubs second baseman Nico Hoerner this winter, and the Cubs previously could part with Hoerner and replace him at the keystone with Matt Shaw. Since then, however, the Cubs shipped third baseman Isaac Paredes to the Astros in exchange for Tucker. With Shaw now penciled in as Paredes’s replacement at the hot corner, the Cubs may be less inclined to part with Hoerner to bolster the Mariners’ infield. While a young starter such as Javier Assad or Jordan Wicks could help facilitate a trade, it’s hard to imagine a deal for Castillo getting done that doesn’t send some sort of infield help back to Seattle.
  • Red Sox: The Red Sox are also among the teams known to have discussed Castillo with Seattle, and the club specifically attempted to swing a trade involving him, Triston Casas, and Masataka Yoshida that was eventually shut down by the Mariners. It’s hard to imagine Boston parting with Casas in a straight one-for-one swap for Castillo, which could make finding a match between the two sides difficult. Perhaps a deal could still be had that sends a lesser infield piece such as Vaughn Grissom or David Hamilton to Seattle alongside a young starter like Kutter Crawford, but now that the Red Sox have brought Walker Buehler into the rotation other clubs may be more motivated to get a deal done with Seattle than Boston is.

Longer Shots:

  • Dodgers: The Dodgers are not known to have interest in Castillo but are always a threat to upgrade their roster and could certainly benefit from adding a steady, innings-eating arm like him to the cavalcade of high-octane arms with durability questions that currently make up their starting rotation. Even so, however, the Dodgers have little to offer from their infield mix at the moment. Perhaps Gavin Lux could be a serviceable platoon partner for Moore at second base, but even adding a young starter such as Landon Knack alongside Lux seems unlikely to entice the Mariners to part ways with Castillo.
  • Mets: The Mets are among the teams that have been connected to Castillo this winter, but they subsequently rounded out their rotation by adding left-hander Sean Manaea. It’s at least theoretically feasible that the club could add Castillo and push Clay Holmes out of their projected rotation and into the bullpen, but given the fact that New York explicitly signed Holmes to start that would be a major surprise, even as the Mets have excess pieces such as Brett Baty and Tylor Megill that would surely interest Seattle.
  • Tigers: Detroit could use a bona fide front-end arm to pair with Tarik Skubal next season, and adding mid-rotation veteran Alex Cobb didn’t exactly fill that need. The Tigers also recently signed Gleyber Torres in a move that pushed youngster Colt Keith to first base, seemingly leaving former first overall pick Spencer Torkelson without a role in the majors. Torkelson would be a high-upside addition who’s sure to be intriguing to the Mariners as they search for first base help, but it’s unclear whether they would part with Castillo to land him or if the Tigers are interested in taking on the $72.45MM Castillo is guaranteed over the next three seasons.
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  1. swanhenge

    5 months ago

    Do not trade Crawford. He could take a big step forward this year.

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    • Superstar Prospect Wander Javier

      5 months ago

      Every player could, but for that to be a concern in acquiring a more productive player, you need to have a concrete reason why.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        5 months ago

        Wander – I am the man who can provide that concrete reason.

        Thru July 20th (20 GS, 114 IP) Crawford had a 3.00 ERA with just a .210 BAA.

        From that point on he very clearly tired out due to a lack of stamina from having never pitched more than 129 innings in a season.

        He finished with 184 innings and an MLB leading 33 Games Started.

        Do not focus so much on his 9-16 record, it is quite deceiving.

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        • wayneroo

          5 months ago

          Pitchers’ W-L records are useless and actually team stats.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          5 months ago

          Wayne – They do have some value, just not as much as Wander puts into them.

          For example Morris pitching a 10-inning 1-0 shutout was obviously much more a Morris win than a team win.

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        • SODOMOJO

          5 months ago

          We know this to be undeniably true because…..Fi Fi

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        • SODOMOJO

          5 months ago

          @Fever Pitch

          Wins certainly used to mean a lot more in the days where everybody was throwing 120 pitches and expected to go deep into games even if they are struggling. I agree that it’s certainly a statistic that isn’t necessarily “important” when determining a pitchers caliber.

          However, I also agree with you, in that if a sp gets a win, that is undeniable evidence that he “did his job” that night. The ultimate goal of the pitcher is to allow less runs than your team scores. You get a win, that means you did that. You accumulate 15+ wins? That’s certainly indicative of a successful season.

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          5 months ago

          Yes, but I’ll take a useless 15-game winner over a useless 15-game loser anytime.

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        • Superstar Prospect Wander Javier

          5 months ago

          woah woah woah. Who said I care about wins and losses?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          5 months ago

          Sodom – I totally agree! That’s what some people here don’t understand, the concept of “pitching to the score”.

          If a pitcher has a 7-run lead in the 4th inning, does he continue to bear down by pitching max effort? No, he pitches to contact and isn’t as concerned about giving up a run or two because his focus has switched to going as many innings as possible to give the bullpen a rest.

          Great pitchers prove their greatness by winning the 1-0, 2-1 and 3-2 games.

          Losses can be quite deceiving as well, the 5-inning rule for wins should be modified because it doesn’t make sense a guy can pitch 4 2/3 innings of shutout ball, leave with a lead that the bullpen never gives up, and yet he doesn’t get the W.

          That’s why there is indeed SOME value to a SP’s record, but it certainly shouldn’t be the main criteria used to gauge a pitcher’s effectiveness.

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      • swanhenge

        5 months ago

        There are no concrete reasons especially on a rumors website.

        Fact is Crawford had all the indications that he can be a solid MLB starter. Being that 2024 was his largest accumulation of IP, I think he kinda just wore out towards Sept. Coming back this year, I think he proves himself worthy of a regular spot on that starting staff. Be it a 6- or 5-man rotation, i think he gets the ball once a week this year.

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        • Pete'sView

          5 months ago

          IF the Mariners were to trade Castillo to the Giants (the team that first signed him), LaMonte Wade Jr. could play RF or 1b (then Raley moves to RF) and the Mariners also get Mason Black and Brett Wisely (or Marco Luciano). If it’s Marco, Mariners need to toss in another player.

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    • Dogbone

      5 months ago

      I still have a gut feeling that the Cubs aren’t done this offseason. It’s like Hoyer to strike when no one expects. And I believe the longer things play out, it’s in his favor.
      If Bregman stays on the market and has to settle for a contract like Bellinger had (but less money) – it would allow the Cubs to sign Bregman for two years, trade Nico for Castillo and play Shaw at his more natural position of 2B.

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      • RotiniRick

        5 months ago

        That would be quite the off-season. If Hoyer ever gets fired, they should give Dogbone a call

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          5 months ago

          Rick – Ironically my handle on another site was Fusilli Frank.

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      • Aaron Sapoznik

        5 months ago

        I also believe Jed Hoyer and the Cubs have at least one more big move ahead of opening day aside from shoring up their bullpen. I like your thinking regarding the Mariners and the Alex Bregman fit.

        I also believe the Cubs could turn to the Padres and reunite with their former top pitching prospect Dylan Cease who has less team control than Luis Castillo but is younger and would give the Cubs a better power arm to pair atop their rotation with Justin Steele and Shota Imanaga. Unlike the Mariners who need an infielder, the Padres would be looking for young MLB ready outfielders where the Cubs have much better prospect depth. Cease might also be a better bet to sign a long term extension than recently acquired Kyle Tucker. Cease is very familiar with Chicago having pitched on the other side of town with the White Sox for the first 5 years of his MLB career.

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      • rondon

        5 months ago

        I don’t know about the Bregman part, fellas, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a trade for Cease.

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      5 months ago

      Kutter is a useful arm, but he’ll be 29yo in april. I think the development train has arrived at the last stop for him, he is who he’s gonna be.

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    • rottenboyfriend

      5 months ago

      With Castillo’s no trade clause he is basically a free agent who will want an additional year added to his contract to approve any Mariner trade! 3 years left at 74.2M at his age may be an under water contract with zero surplus value! This is basically dump especial when U look at the declining performance since 22. The Mariners are looking at a marginal prospect back if anything! They will have to deal one of their younger starters to get a premium infielder who can hit back. Three days from New Year and trader Jerry hasn’t been able to convince any GM to give him young

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      • rottenboyfriend

        5 months ago

        Infielder who can hit!

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      • Trashcan

        5 months ago

        Have you looked around at the contracts being given to starters this off-season? His contract is anything but under water

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  2. BCleveland3381

    5 months ago

    I agree, the Mets seem much less likely after signing Manaea. But I still think it’s possible and doing so doesn’t push Clay Holmes into the bullpen because Stearns has been very consistent about the Mets having a 6 man rotation.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      5 months ago

      Totally agree. 1 of the 6 is likely to be injured or dealing with a dead arm.
      Peterson, Butto, and Blackburn can be flexed between the bullpen and SP.

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    • padam

      5 months ago

      I’m with you on that. They have one more move for a starting pitcher. I don’t see Holmes sticking as an SP, nor do I believe that Manaea or Senga will be their ace. Mets have a plethora of young kids ready to play that I’m sure Seattle would possibly be interested in. Acuna, Mauricio, Baty, and Williams are all there.

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      • BCleveland3381

        5 months ago

        Mets could easily package Mcneil(and eat some salary) with a prospect or two for Castillo. Mcneil isn’t what he was, but Seattle needs offense and giving them an inexpensive former batting champion and a good young prospect or two is a good trade. I’ve thought for a few years McNeil needed a change of scenery.

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        • proton

          5 months ago

          Not sure Seattle will be busting down doors to trade for an avg often hurt OFer. We have our OF pretty well sorted out. Not sure about Robles but the time he played here he played most games. The other 2 will play in everyday if they would let them. Raley can play LF or RF and the other 2 could fill in for Julio if need be. Doubt they would bring him back. Was mad when they traded him but not interested in bringing him back.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          Seattle does not want McNeil. Only way he’s included is if NY pays 90% of the cost AND the prospects are very good. They will simply have better offers.

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        • VY48

          5 months ago

          McNeil isn’t strictly an outfielder. He’s versatile and can play both the outfield and infield very adequately.

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        • BCleveland3381

          5 months ago

          McNeil can play outfield, but he’s the Mets starting 2B if they don’t move him and he’s an adequate defender everywhere he plays.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          McNeil is adequate at best at any one position and hasn’t hit at all since winning the batting title. His contract even if just one year is well under water.

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        • padam

          5 months ago

          I can see a Mauricio and Baty deal for Castillo. Both are controllable and fill two of the positions – 2B and 3B.

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        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          is if NY pays 90% of the cost AND the prospects are very good.
          ======================
          That’s not happening. McNeil is still a decent player. I expect a bWAR > 2.0. $17M is too high, but eating even just 50% of the salary would make him an attractive target.

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        • rottenboyfriend

          5 months ago

          Castillo has no surplus value with $74M owed over the next three years with his declining stats!

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        • Pickle_Britches

          5 months ago

          He’ll be making less than Sean Manea and Luis Servino. Id take Castillo any day over those clowns

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        • proton

          5 months ago

          Rotten maybe your girlfriend should dump you. Start fresh for the New Year. You should dump your analysis of pitchers. Castillo as has been mentioned a lot on here is under paid for his value as a pitcher. He will be a 2 on many and a 3 on a lot more teams. Even a 1 on a few. He will be a 3-5 in Seattle. He might drop to 6 if we land Sasaki. You tell me why he has no value when he is paid far less than most pitchers in his category. Is he a 100 mph flame thrower but he is still a good arm going to give you around 200 innings of quality ball. He has 1 inning where focus eludes him. A good team can overcome the couple runs he might give up. Seattle could barely overcome 1 run on many nights.

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  3. Motor City Beach Bum

    5 months ago

    Jung, Tork and Manning for Castillo and a flier.

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      5 months ago

      Thats an overpay

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    • stymeedone

      5 months ago

      Jung is currently the 3B, unless you want McKinstry sharing the position. Torkelson and Manning should be plenty. If another add is needed, how about Kreidler, who has never gotten extended at bats.

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      • Superstar Prospect Wander Javier

        5 months ago

        2 failing prospects in their mid 20s are not gonna get the job done. Jung is a necessity if they went with this option.

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      • Motor City Beach Bum

        5 months ago

        Kreidler is not worth much and I think it was you who did Harris tanked Torks trade value with his announcement. Manning has shown 5th or 6th starter stuff so far. Castillo is going to cost them real prospects as well like Superstar Prospect Wander Franco said, hence Jung who is expendable if they sign Bregman as 84 LeFlore said. Even if they don’t he’s likely platooning with Vierling.

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    • spjanis

      5 months ago

      How about Jung, Tork Maeda and 5 million of Maeda’s 10 million salary?

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      • bob9988 2

        5 months ago

        Thats…possible. That might do it.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          If Tork can’t hit in Detroit, what makes you think he will hit in Seattle? Jung makes sense but I’m thinking Boston still needs another pitcher and they will try to rewrite a deal with Boston paying some of Yoshida’s cost. While they have quantity, most have question marks and such a trade would allow Boston to sign both Bregman and Alonso. No one is talking about the Polar Bear in Boston but if Casas were traded, the fit becomes obvious and Devers would move to DH.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          5 months ago

          Seattle is trading Castillo to get rid of salary

          If Seattle was ok taking salary back we would’ve had masataka yoshida

          Maeda is even worse than yoshi

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        • Lanidrac

          5 months ago

          Wasn’t the whole point to land a starting infielder without going through free agency? They wouldn’t want to take on a lot of salary, but they don’t necessarily need to dump salary, either.

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        • Motor City Beach Bum

          5 months ago

          They could certainly call TB about Diaz and Lowe and solve two problems at once. I think their total salary is about $25 million.

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      • Motor City Beach Bum

        5 months ago

        I like that a lot.

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      • dbdmack

        5 months ago

        Seattle hangs up on that offer.

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    • 84LeFlore

      5 months ago

      It may not take that much, but I think it’s very possible – if the Tigers sign Bregman, as Carlos Baerga predicted 2 days ago on X.

      IF the Tigers sign Bregman, Jung has no position. Torres will be 2B next season. Probably McGonigle will be 2B in 2026. Tork has already been moved off 1B, and has no position, either. Manning’s been a question mark and may benefit from change of scenery.

      Harris has said the Tigers will spend more $. That didn’t necessarily imply free agents. Detroit could take on FA Bregman AND trade for Luis Castillo (& pay at least some of the $72.45M). Tigers would be hugely improved.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        5 months ago

        Tork has little to no value right now so a trade in my view would have to be framed much different with the Tigers adding more and Seattle not paying any of Castillo’s remaining deal. Also, Castillo has to approve any deal, let’s not forget that.

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    • blackyjack

      5 months ago

      As a Mariners fine…deal! Lol

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      5 months ago

      I like Torkelson, but Casas from the Sox is a better hitter, and the M’s haven’t liked that

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      • stymeedone

        5 months ago

        Torkelson, being RH, might be more attractive to Seattle than Casas.

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  4. dugmet

    5 months ago

    At $24m/year he’s a bargain locked in through 2027/2028 M’s can ask for a lot in return. Would love him on the Mets but going to need to add others to Baty/Megill – Probably Sproat and low level Class A prospect like Baez.

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    • Mets Era Thumping Soto

      5 months ago

      They aren’t trading Sproat for him. That’s just silly.

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    • ReyDay

      5 months ago

      @dug
      I’m sorry but there ZERO chance in hell Mets are giving up their #1 prospect + others and paying Castillo’s salary. That’s just nonsense they could have just signed a similar FA pitcher this offseason.

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      • dugmet

        5 months ago

        You are overrating the value of prospects – esp at a time when: the roster is playoff-competitive, Castillo is a front-end starter, contract terms are VERY favorable. Sproat is a suspect. Sproat will not likely reach Castilli’s level for 2-4 years. I’ve seen all the Mets prospects back to Seaver. There are many more Paul Wilson’s or Mike Pelfreys than Seavers.

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        • ReyDay

          5 months ago

          No young cost controlled SPs are one of the most valuable positions in baseball. Castillo is not much better than Severino, especially when you look at Castillo splits away from T-Mobile. They could have signed him for less $ and not give up any prospects. The trade just makes no sense from Mets standpoint.

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        • Down with OBP

          5 months ago

          Overpaying (in terms of salary and players) in the hope Castillo rebounds from being just above league average starter seems not great.

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        • Salzilla

          5 months ago

          Hey look someone gets it.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          5 months ago

          No you are under valuing the value of young controllable good players vs old declining aging players.

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        • Simm

          5 months ago

          Castillo is basically a good number 2-3 pitcher who is being paid as a good number 2-3 pitcher. If he was a free agent right now he would likely be looking at 3 years 75m. Which is close to what he is currently owed. So he has some value but there isn’t a ton of surplus value.

          I’m sure the Mariners have seen the prices of pitching and want to try and get a team to overpay. Problem is team value too prospects for the same reason…costs.

          My guess is the mariners are serious about trading Castillo they can find a team to trade them an infielder being paid 10m or so and get a decent prospect back as well.

          Unless the mariners need to cut payroll I really don’t see them trading him.

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        • proton

          5 months ago

          They want to trade him because they have a handshake deal with Sasaki. They also have Hancock who even though this writer said struggled in 12 games he pitched in. He had 1 horrendous game a fairly bad game one very very good game and the others he was as good as what a #5 pitcher would pitch like.

          I have no idea on Sasaki but that is the rumor going around. Seattle has a few pitchers that will likely be ready near the end of the season. They have 4 prospects ready late next season and into 2027 or 2028 season. They need a couple gap fillers to not use up our rotation.

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        • proton

          5 months ago

          He also didn’t pitch 12 or 16 bad games. That is either a lie or lazy reporting.

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        • proton

          5 months ago

          This was supposed to go below Padams post.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          5 months ago

          Castillo to Toronto for Bo Bichette!!! He will have a bounceback 2025 and be his old self at the plate…as long as he’s healthy he should hit like he did ’21 thru ’23

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          5 months ago

          A savvy GM shouldn’t be expecting a “rebound”. What you’re getting is a tenacious gamer who goes deep into most games, saves the bullpen and gives you quality starts.
          Played on a team with no offense.
          He’s a perfect finishing piece for a playoff ready roster. That’s what you’re getting. Perfect for the Mets

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        • KamKid

          5 months ago

          A Castillo for Bo framework kind of makes some sense. From everything the Jays have said, they aren’t actually brimming with payroll space so if they want to try to compete, adding big salaries is going to be difficult without some cost offset. Bo is around $16.5m this year that would offset the Castillo salary a bit. The Mariners take the off-ramp on Castillo’s contract that is totally worthwhile but they may want to get out before it ages (I think that has to be a part of the equation. Otherwise why not just use some of the many good prospects to acquire the help you need?). The Jays move on from Bo so that they can install their long term SS at the position immediately instead of the awkward playing beside your replacement proposition currently in place after the Gimenez trade. Mariners also get a bit more payroll space this year to put towards other additions. I think about $8m difference in salary. That should get you halfway towards a decent player. The Jays have plenty of high floor 2B types that will hit enough and backfill. They put the rest of their resources into more power ceiling at 3B/OF/DH.
          As a Blue Jay fan, I’d much rather receive prospects. I don’t think they have enough going for them to really enter the season believing they are contenders. But if they are going to try to add, this is one way they can keep the window open another couple years. The trade I really want to see with the Mariners includes Vladdy if they fail to close the gap on the extension talks soon.
          From the Mariners’ perspective, I just don’t see why they would weaken their rotation. They have the resources to add without subtracting from the major league team. Brandon Lowe is plenty affordable salary wise. I’m sure the Rays would take a prospect return.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          5 months ago

          @KamKid Excellent analysis!!! I agree with basically everything you laid out. Great minds think alike lol.

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        • drfelix

          5 months ago

          We’ve already tried that last year hoping for a bounce back from Haniger on that trade

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        • Salzilla

          5 months ago

          Good idea presented here, Kam.

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        • stymeedone

          5 months ago

          @MWB
          REALLY?! You are comparing Castillo, who has been a model of Healthy Consistency with roller coaster Kikuchi, and recovering from TJ surgury, Buehler. Do you really value them similarly?

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        • Pickle_Britches

          5 months ago

          And you can’t compare Castillo to both of those lol.

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        • KamKid

          5 months ago

          @ ignorant SOB. Good to know I’m not totally off base. Seattle is the team I’m most trying to figure out. What’s the budget like? How motivated would they be to trade for one year of a player like Bichette or Guerrero? Do they prefer to take on salary in trade or have the other team cover it and pay a higher prospect cost?

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        • good vibes only

          5 months ago

          I think they wish they could deal from prospects too, I just don’t think there are many teams selling impact players in that kind of way right now.

          Would love Vladdy on the Mariners, watching him hang out with Julio was awesome at the home run derby. I hope the Blue Jays get it done and Vladdy stays in Toronto for his whole career.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          5 months ago

          @KamKid. Yeah, the budget is a sore subject. Supposedly we have around $15 million to play around with. Which is ridiculous…it’s sent down from above by the Chairman of the Board. And so that’s what Jerry Dipoto has to work with and that’s why trades are likely going to be the main method used to acquire the needed pieces. Despite the dreary budget outlook there is still much to be excited about with this team — top class rotation, loaded farm, best catcher in baseball and 24 year old J-Rod who should only get better & better.

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        • KamKid

          5 months ago

          Yeah, that’s why I like them as a trade partner for the Jays. Historically, this front office has been more than willing to send money in trades to get better returns when in a sell stance. Most of what the Jays have to trade is high salaried so it limits the trade value somewhat. But if they are willing to subsidize the cost of that player, it opens up teams like the Mariners. The one thing that gives me pause though is that whole 54% comment. That suggests a priority on sustainability and parting with multiple top tier prospects for one year of a player might run counter to that goal.
          Still, it feels like Mariners have found their guy behind the plate and should probably just make him the franchise catcher with an extension. That makes Ford a very valuable and expendable trade piece. And they should be able to part with one of the trio of highly regarded infield prospects and still feel good about the two guys they kept. That’s the type of thing I think would need to be on the table to headline a subsidized Vladdy trade package this offseason for it to be worth it right now. Bichette on the other hand wouldn’t command such a return probably. Maybe one of those guys if the Jays retain all the salary. But I feel like Seattle also has some high ceiling guys beyond these types that might have a riskier profile. Bounce back major leaguer for bounce back/injured high ceiling prospect (Farmelo?) or high risk high ceiling prospect (Peete?) as the headliner of a multi player package maybe? I don’t know about specific names, but the Jays need to raise the ceiling of their farm and from what I can gather, Seattle seems to have some to spare.

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        • KamKid

          5 months ago

          Yeah good vibes only. I do wish for a Vladdy extension as well. There might be a couple of wasted years on the front end. But I think it’s okay for good players to exist on bad teams. And face often the franchise players are so valuable to the brand. The Jays were good with Vladdy, then bad, and he’s so young that they should be good again before the end of his prime and that would be a great thing to see.
          But if they are miles apart on an extension, the free agent market has been passing them by and they don’t have much in the way of prospects to trade for the type of impact that would help them project as a contender in ‘25. Their farm just doesn’t have enough to see what lies ahead. Vladdy might be the best opportunity they have to boost the farm enough to feel better about their future. And Seattle feels like a really sensible trade partner. Vladdy, Julio, Randy all on the same team would indeed be good vibes only.

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        • ReyDay

          5 months ago

          @SOB
          Don’t mean to rain on your parade but William Contreras is 100% the best catcher in the baseball followed by Adley.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          5 months ago

          Cal Raleigh is the best catcher in baseball.

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        • ReyDay

          5 months ago

          @metsin4
          Nope I disagree defensively sure but I’d rather have William Contreras next year.

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    • CleaverGreene

      5 months ago

      Megill alone has more trade value than Castillo.

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      • Salzilla

        5 months ago

        Tell me you’re a Mets fan without telling me your a Mets fan…

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    • SoCalBrave

      5 months ago

      $24M per year isn’t a bargain, it’s not an overpay either. It’s at best slightly under value for a #3 starter.
      If the Mariners aren’t paying anything they’ll get a decent prospect, but nothing top 100

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    • Krujo

      5 months ago

      If the Mets were going to trade prospects for anyone on Seattle it would be for Kirby, a local guy or Miller. Castillo would be a bust.

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  5. padam

    5 months ago

    “…and veteran right-hander Luis Castillo has served as a veteran anchor for the club’s rotation ever since he was acquired from the Reds following the 2024 trade deadline.”

    He was acquired in 2022.

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  6. stymeedone

    5 months ago

    They can ask for a lot, but every team is aware of the payroll problem Seattle has. Texas sold low on Lowe, as they had the same problem. If Seattle refuses to take salary back, the return will be limited. They have to think of the trade of Castillo as they got back player A and player B, along with the additional $20MM or so in spending money.

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    • bob9988 2

      5 months ago

      But they don’t. The contract is already baked into Castillo’s value. It’s only for 3yrs at below market value. That’s actually a plus. And Seattle doesn’t need to shed the money, they already have 15-20m to work with. And who’s left to spend it on? The thing most commenters miss is that this is not a salary dump, it’s about acquiring infielder.

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      • CleaverGreene

        5 months ago

        It’s ACTUALLY a wash , at best, since 24M/yr is pretty even money for a 112 OPS+ SP.. Add in the multi years owed and it’s not getting you a Casas straight up.

        It’s also not getting Boston Castillo if they’re throwing in Yoshida’s upside down contract.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          Cleaver, that,’s why I just wrote the trade gets reexamined with Boston paying say $10M next year. Such would definitely improve Seattle’s hitting. I’m still of the opinion that Yoshida can win a future batting title.

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        • Trashcan

          5 months ago

          Seattle is never taking on 3 years of an over payed slap hitting dh to move Castillo

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        • DirtyWater04

          5 months ago

          And that’s why Seattle and Boston are not going to line up on a trade.

          Our “best” trade chip in terms of value is Abreu, an outfielder. Our most logical person who should be traded from a roster construction standpoint is Yoshida, an “outfielder” nominally who has no business playing anywhere but DH. He is/can be a useful bat, but is overpaid and will need to come with some salary relief attached to that contract, but neither of those guys do Seattle any good when they’re on the hunt for infield help.

          Not to mention, Boston’s rotation is now full since they clearly and unfortunately view Giolito as a serious part of the plans for 2025.. It’s Crochet, Buehler, Houck, Crawford, and Bello, and Kutter Crawford was awesome in the first half last year before hitting a wall due to a career high in IP and struggling down the home stretch. They don’t need to upgrade him, they just need to be patient and let him work through his conditioning and continue to build big league experience. We clearly have a quality starter on our hands here with Kutter.

          If we were going to upgrade over Crawford it would have been an obvious, substantial upgrade for a TOR starter like Burnes. Castillo’s recent production is too similar to what Crawford has already demonstrated an ability to deliver himself, except Crawford is 3 years younger and playing 2025 on an Arb-1 salary while Castillo is due to make $24 million. Boston has indicated a greater willingness to spend this offseason, but they’re not going to do it stupidly. They have 3 years of control left over Crawford, who is an already solid and still-improving starter who will be playing at below-market salaries through his arb years. His next 3 salaries combined will probably be less than Castillo gets paid in one season. Turning that into a 3 year, ~$75 million obligation for a guy who would be at best a lateral move would be beyond stupid and flat out isn’t going to happen.

          Thus the only way it makes any sense for Boston to go from Crawford to Castillo is if they receive something else of value – either a prospect or an escape from a bad contract like Yoshida or Story. Seattle isn’t willing to do either, so the two sides have nothing else to talk about.

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    • Bird4Life

      5 months ago

      Bingo. But most seattle fans on here will ignore this logic and ask the world for him. Already saw one saying he’s a steal for being under control for a few more years. He’s comparable to Eovaldi at this point who just got a similar contract. That’s not a steal. That’s on par with market value. This is mostly a salary dump to free up payroll and should not require a significant return if SEA actually moves him. They probably won’t…

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        Excellent analysis. He is certainly not a bad pitcher, but he is certainly not cheap. He is a consistent 3.86 FIP pitcher over the past two years, and will remain that, or more likely, weaken over the next three years.

        I doubt any GMs are thinking that Castillo is someone they have to have.

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    • monroe_says

      5 months ago

      The Mariners don’t have a payroll problem; they have a cheap owner problem. This team has recently been generating around $75 million in profits annually, all of which goes back in the owners” pockets.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        5 months ago

        Monroe, there is no difference. If ownership mandated payroll at X, nothing else matters

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    • Salzilla

      5 months ago

      Regardless of money issues, you absolutely cannot equate Lowe and Castillo. One is a mid tier 1b and one is an ace. You can still get 1b’s in free agency, there are no more aces. That’s a big reason why the Mariners wiĺ get a lot more back.

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      • Salzilla

        5 months ago

        Let me rephrase to borderline ace. Still though worth alotmore than Lowe

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        • Simm

          5 months ago

          Last year he had an era plus of 101. That isn’t even in the same stratosphere as an ace.

          Yes in 2022 he was an ace. Now he is a 2-3 at best. He is also getting paid as a 2-3. He has limited trade value with his current contract.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          A two or three is valuable but not a borderline ace. Another mentioned Eovaldi who based on his playoff history, I’d prefer. Given his new deal, Castillo is not going to return a huge amount unless Seattle pays most of his salary, which they won’t do. Boston rightfully said no on a one for one deal for Casas.

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        • Simm

          5 months ago

          They can get a decent return if they trade for an infielder who is still owed some money.

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        • Salzilla

          5 months ago

          Depending on the team that acquires him. He’d be an ace on some teams, including the Mets. Or at least a shared top spot with Senga. I agree though, he’s got number 2 numbers now, but still he’s way more valuable than a Nate Lowe.

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      • CleaverGreene

        5 months ago

        A 112 OPS+ SP is not an ACE.

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  7. WaitTil2026

    5 months ago

    The Red Sox are a long shot at this point. Castillo leans to fly balls, 18.7% LD, 39.1% GB, and 42.2% FB over the last two years. (Previously he was more of a ground-ball pitcher.) He’s less extreme in that than Pivetta or Crawford, but the home run rates that plagued them would also cut into Castillo’s effectiveness.

    Consider their road numbers from 2023-2024:
    Crawford 155.2 IP, 3.47 ERA
    Castillo 170.1 IP, 3.91 ERA
    Pivetta 146.2 IP, 3.99 ERA

    Castillo is a veteran pitcher who delivers a lot of innings, but he fares MUCH better when pitching in Seattle. On the road his BB and HR rates tick up and his K rate ticks down.

    Castillo is a VERY good pitcher for Seattle, ideally suited to their home park. (Crawford and Pivetta only wish they could pitch half their games there – they combined for 12 IP, 2 R, 1 ER last year, 12.1 IP, 3 R, 3 ER in 2023.) Castillo is good enough that he could also be successful elsewhere, but with Seattle he truly shines. Trading him is foolish.

    Miller and Woo benefit less from their home park than the rest of the rotation, and thus would be proportionately more valuable to another team. Of course those two young guns are EXTREMELY value due to their age and talent.

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    • Brettlez

      5 months ago

      Looking at ERA alone is for people who don’t know ball. The underlying metrics for Castillo are much better than Crawford. Hes also been a yearly cy young contender even when with the reds in their tiny ballpark.

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      • SoCalBrave

        5 months ago

        Castillo’s numbers are declining. His launch angle on flyballs used to be under 10 degrees when he was good, but the last 2 years it’s crept up to 15 and 16 degrees. That’s ideal HR angle. He is still missing barrels, but that number is also getting worse. Take him out of Seattle to a smaller ballpark and he will regress even faster.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          I can’t speak of Seattle’s defense but Sox pitchers take a beating having to throw extra bullets every game because their infield has been so bad of late.

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        • Brettlez

          5 months ago

          He’s has HR spikes in the past and had them drop again. He’s only 32 and think this is more likely a blip than the end regression with how good his stuff still is. Guess we’ll see this year.

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  8. TennVol

    5 months ago

    I could see the Jays, well, maybe not this gm staff, but ideally a trade that sent Vlad and a few others to Seattle for Castillo and Hanniger(salary relief for Seattle) and a decent prospect. Seattle wont find a better hitter out there on the trade market and the Jays get Castillo and Hanniger back. It gives Seattle the rights to Guerrero to sign him to the 13yr/500M contract he wants. The Jays could then shift to Bregman at 3B and Alonso for 1B and change the team dynamically in outlook at certainty. Offer Alonso 6/175m and Bregman 8/200m and see if that plays, or something around those prices. Then look what you can get for Bichette and shift Geminez to SS and have Wagner/Clement as a L/R platoon at 2B. Hanniger gets LF and if he plays well, ride him until he gives Roden time at AAA to get going and then bring him up. Roden is the best-looking hitter in the Jays system right now and can play a decent OF.

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    • WaitTil2026

      5 months ago

      Vlad would fetch a package similar to Tucker. You’d be looking at an established young starting player as well as minor league talent. Maybe a package headlined by Miller? I very much doubt that Castillo fetches that kind of return, let alone salary relief on top of it.

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      • bob9988 2

        5 months ago

        I agree, drop Haniger and Seattle add another prospect or two. M’s WILL NOT trade any of the other starters for a 1yr rental.

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      • proton

        5 months ago

        You think 1 year of Vlad is worth 3years of Castillo plus 2-3 upper level prospects? Your crazy. Castillo and Haniger would be an ok trade. I would do that. Highly doubt Seattle will sign Vlad.

        They have 4 players going from under team control in the next couple years. The cheap ownership group will probably trade 2-3 of them. It will destroy the fanbase and could start a linching. This new ownership group is on a short rope. They have owned the team for a handful of years. They have done little to improve the team. I usually give ownership and GMs a longer leash for the first few years. Their leash got real short for me. Will not pay to watch them when they switch to PPV.

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      • SoCalBrave

        5 months ago

        Vlad Jr is making $10M more than Tucker, I’m not sure you can get the same package for him

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  9. TridentsUp!

    5 months ago

    Keep Castillo at this stage. If you aren’t getting a really good player or two AND salary savings, what’s the point?

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    • Salzilla

      5 months ago

      I think plenty of teams out there want a Castillo type. I’d be shocked if he isn’t traded. His value isn’t going to get any better.

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    • BITA

      5 months ago

      The salary savings are the point. Thats what they want more than anything.

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  10. CenterWingPolitics

    5 months ago

    Nacho Alvarez, Ian Anderson, and Owen Murphy for Castillo

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    • braveshomer

      5 months ago

      I’d take that. But isn’t Albies a free agent next year? I may be wrong on that but I highly doubt we’d resign him and would have Nacho take over

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      • SoCalBrave

        5 months ago

        Albies has 2 more team options that will likely get picked up

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      Yeah give us all your leftover crap for Castillo, that sounds fair.

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      • BITA

        5 months ago

        I hear you sob but I think thats a fair offer. The Mariners get those 3 guys and the money to spend on other players that they saved by trading Castillo. That money could buy a couple new infielders and a back end starter and then the team is better off.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 months ago

          Who’s left to buy? They suddenly going after Bregman or Alonso?

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Moncada? Still have no clue why they let Rojas go he was a perfect fit for the Mariners. Plenty of back end starters to replace Castillos spot in the rotation. No they aren’t going to sign Bregman or Alonso but there’s a lot of players out there.

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      • SoCalBrave

        5 months ago

        Nacho and Owen Murphy would be an awesome get for the Mariners, Ian Anderson only brings the trade value down.
        You get an MLB ready starting 2B that has elite bat control skills and a future #2 or #3 pitcher in Murphy who has four 50 or better pitches with excellent control.
        Plus you free up $24M to spend elsewhere.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          @SoCalBrave: Usually agree w/your takes on here SoCal, but imo you’re off on your assessment of Alvarez. He didn’t show any ability to hit a MLB fastball. Just a punch and judy slap hitter who’s been unable to regularly pull mil fastballs. The Braves also played him more at 3B than 2B or SS in Gwinnett after his miserable MLB showing. Again imo, the most likely future for him is a below average glove (very limited mif range) utility player. Hoping the Braves find a way to deal him for something of value the way they did Grissom, but have doubts he’ll be anything more than a trade throw in. I obviously have a less optimistic view of him than prospect evaluators who mostly rank him in the Braves top 5-7.

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        • Fowlerrc

          5 months ago

          The “miserable MLB showing” was less than 10 games wasn’t it? What’s the point of using that as a barometer?

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          @Fowler: The “point” is that he showed the same thing at the ML level in his 1 for 30 ab’s in 8 games that he showed at all season at AAA Gwinnett. Inability to hit/pull fastballs, makes weak contact in order to lessen his K rate, and has well below average range at both middle infield positions. The Braves know he has no future as a middle infielder at the ML level. They know the swing changes they tried to implement so he could pull fb’s hasn’t worked.

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  11. Seamaholic

    5 months ago

    Writer of this article has a peculiar idea of player value, if you ask me. Torkelson and Baty are worth next to nothing. They’d be interesting throw-ins in a deal for a guy like Castillo. Meanwhile, Nico Hoerner is one of the better established 2B in the game. Weird.

    The Blue Jays scenario seems like a bad fit (they need hitters). Red Sox seems to work but apparently the M’s don’t like Casas enough. Bad luck there Sox fans. Giants and O’s are the best options, but LaMonte or Mountcastle ain’t enough, especially since I suspect the M’s would follow such a trade by making a big offer to Alonso.

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    • Bruin1012

      5 months ago

      Seam as a Red Sox fan sometimes the best trade is no trade. The Red Sox have filled their rotation no real need for Castillo.

      I was just concerned if Breslow got pushed into the corner didn’t round out his rotation he would trade Casas for Castillo straight up. That is not happening now. I think he might still shop Casas but it would have to be an overpay now.

      Other teams fans erroneously thought they were trying to get rid of Casas. The reality is Breslow is all in on pitching and is willing to trade him for young cost controlled pitcher. It was always unlikely that other teams were going to trade those types of assets for a first baseman who has a lot of upside offensively but comes with an injury history that can’t be ignored.

      It would have been a panic move to trade Casas straight up for Castillo and I doubt Castillo would waive his no trade to pitch in an environment that’s way more hitter friendly then Seattle.

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    • BITA

      5 months ago

      Castillo doesn’t have much value Torkelson or Baty is about right 1 for 1.

      Hoerner is hurt. Thats the concern with him.

      The Jays need talent they have money not prospects they make a lot of sense. Giants do too but I thinl Flaherty signs with the Giants.

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  12. jmaa

    5 months ago

    The ask for Castillo is way too high. Seattle likes their pitching way more than the rest of the league. Don’t see them trading a SP or making the playoffs.

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  13. Dogs

    5 months ago

    Torkelson & Perez should get this trade done.

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    • sergefunction

      5 months ago

      Not only is it a no to Perez going the other way, if it’s a $eattle $ dump then I do it for Tork – but only if Marian Ilitch allows Chrissy to add the Castillo salary…which has almost no chance of happening.

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    • Well said.

      5 months ago

      Not trading Perez. Could be a big time player in a couple of years. Tork deserves a chance to see if he can put it together. I haven’t given up but if he doesn’t do well this spring it’s off to Toledo or gone

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  14. FanDan

    5 months ago

    Padres send Luis Arraez, Robert Suarez and pitching prospect Omar Cruz for Castillo.

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    • Simm

      5 months ago

      Mariners may have some interesting in Arraez but they don’t need Suarez. I could see Arraez or cronenworth plus prospects going back to mariners. Perhaps one of Waldron or Vasquez as depth.

      The big issues this would add about 10m to the padres payroll.

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    • sergefunction

      5 months ago

      Not a fan of the Pads trading Suarez. Pass.

      Plus, the San Diego Checkbook is not a fan of any salary increase. Double pass.

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    • Pickle_Britches

      5 months ago

      Then they trade Cease lol. Padres can’t keep players. Machado and Bogarts will be traded soon

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  15. arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs

    5 months ago

    So what’s the goal? Mariners trying to shed long term salary on Castillo contract?

    Cause a deal involving Castillo and Arraez Cronenworth seems like a win win for both padres and mariners

    Padres get a rotation piece in Castillo for the next couple years and Mariners pick up their 3B and 2B in Cronenworth and Arraez. Round out the deal with prospects exchanging hands.

    Plus picking up Castillo would make dealing Cease easier. Or just roll with Darvish Castillo King Cease for a year.

    Bring back Solano to play 1B

    Bring back Peralta to play LF or Hays or Verdugo looking to rebound.

    Bring in Brendan Rodgers or Enrique Hernandez to play 2B.

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    • Simm

      5 months ago

      I don’t think the mariners would have interest in both cronenworth and Arraez. I don’t see Cronenworth playing 3b, not that he couldn’t. So unless the mariners see value in both then I don’t see it. I could see one of them plus prospects going to the mariners.

      Padres would likely need to turn and trade the other or Suarez to make room financially.

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    • muskie73

      5 months ago

      Luis Arraez and Jake Cronenworth are owed more combined in 2025 than Luis Castillo (and Cronenworth’s contract is longer than Castillo’s).

      The proposal does not make sense for Seattle if the Mariners are looking to shed salary.

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  16. Burgeezy

    5 months ago

    Cleveland?

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  17. terrymesmer

    5 months ago

    >interesting young infielders….who could be of interest

    Ah! Sports writing…

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  18. JoeBrady

    5 months ago

    It’s hard to imagine Boston parting with Casas in a straight one-for-one swap for Castillo, which could make finding a match between the two sides difficult.
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    I think it’s less about matching and more about the RS are probably not in the market for an SP.

    Crochet
    Houck
    Buehler
    Giolito
    Bello
    Crawford

    The marginal gain from Castillo, for $24M, isn’t as much as if we signed Scott and Hoffman, imo.

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    • Simm

      5 months ago

      They could just bring back piv and cost zero prospects.

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    • BITA

      5 months ago

      I believe the Castillo to Red Sox talks took place before they signed Buehler. Once that happened the Red Sox were no longer a good fit.

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      5 months ago

      Joe – I think you’re right. The $21mm for Buehler is about what they were going to spend on SP, and it’s where Castillo is, thus the discussions.

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  19. This one belongs to the Reds

    5 months ago

    Reds should get him back but they won’t. Would give them a solid postseason worthy rotation. At this rate, they will never get there before they have to break up another group.

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  20. 84LeFlore

    5 months ago

    Would the Mariners be interested in Jung & Tork for Castillo (and his salary)? Because both would be available if Tigers sign Bregman.

    I think for chemistry-sakes, Tigers may HAVE to trade Tork. Besides it being unlikely he’ll make the roster as a part-time 1B/DH, he’s also an original member of the Greene/Meadows/Manning Bro-Fest, and is Riley’s BFF.

    Colt’s job transitioning to 1B would be made a lot easier if Tork, the popular-among-teammates-former 1B, wasn’t looming on the bench.

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    • BITA

      5 months ago

      You think the Tigers are adding another 50 million to the 2025 payroll?

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      • 84LeFlore

        5 months ago

        Probably not, but if they get Bregman, they will get pretty close.

        I doubt they have interest in Castillo, though. They have decent arms throughout their system and probably feel they already have someone that can do what Castillo can for a fraction of the salary.

        I wonder more about the fates of Tork & Jung.

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  21. good vibes only

    5 months ago

    If these players mentioned are the types they can get in return, there is zero point in moving Castillo. I realize and agree that Castillo may just be a good SP3 at this point instead of the staff ace, but that’s still super valuable especially to the Mariners who have no SP depth in the upper minors beyond Hancock, who sucks.

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    • proton

      5 months ago

      I have said Hancock had a few good starts a few starts you would expect from a #5 SP. in the bad games he had 1 horrendous game and 3 below average games. Will link the numbers below.

      Like any SP he would be better if he was up and knew he had the job for a couple months and they will address it then maybe keep him up or send him down. Hancock will be a decent #3-5 SP. You Angels fans are bitter because you have Rendon under contract for a couple more years. Trout will sink you when he is physically unable to play. Plus you have a poor ML System. Our pitching depth is better. We have a couple SPs who should be ready just after AS game.

      We also have 4 studs ready next year to 3 years out. We also have OFers that will be ready when Robles and Arrozerena are gone if we don’t resign them. Don’t see why we would if the kids are ready. Piece of advice don’t look at our prospect list it will just make you sad.

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      • good vibes only

        5 months ago

        You Angels fans? I’m a Mariners fan lol

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        5 months ago

        Mr Proton I know us Mariners fans usually don’t have much to brag about so I understand the pent-up enthusiasm, but we should try to be good sports and not rub it in our divisional competitors faces too obscenely…especially Angels fans haven’t they suffered enough?

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  22. C Yards Jeff

    5 months ago

    I think the addition of O’Neil indicates Mouncastle stays in Baltimore. Takes pressure off Ryan no longer being the only right side power bat in the line up. And to a certain extent, takes pressure off the rook Mayo too.

    As far as filling out the rotation goes, I think they are done. That said; Baltimore FO should go one year deal via FA route; not by trade, if truly looking to ad. Worked well in 2023 with the Gibson (sp?) addition.

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    • proton

      5 months ago

      McNeil will not be in any trade. An avg injury prone OFer is of no interest to Seattle.

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  23. letitbelowenstein

    5 months ago

    Am I the only one who fails to see the big whoop about Castillo? Seattle is offering their weakest starter and they want a first-rate hitter in exchange. Castillo is a low 3/high 4 starter who will go downhill fairly soon. They want someone good in return, offer Woo or Kirby.

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    • wayneroo

      5 months ago

      He may be their weakest starter, but he’s better than most teams 2-3, and some 1’s – that’s how strong their rotation is.

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      • BITA

        5 months ago

        No that’s how good it is to pitch in Seattle. Take that rotation and put it in Colorado and their stats would be entirely different.

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        • noproblempablo

          5 months ago

          Pretty sure you could run that test and be correct with any staff in the majors.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      Castillo is a low-2, high-3 starter for sure.

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  24. TridentsUp!

    5 months ago

    Between cost, age and ability, Castillo and Flaherty are the best available SPs out there right now. Flaherty is probably getting $30M per year for 5 or 6 years… At that point, Castillo at $22M over 3 looks pretty darn good. I’m hoping for some sort of deal with Baltimore… otherwise hold onto him.

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    • WaitTil2026

      5 months ago

      Wow, you have very high expectations for Flaherty! I could see the five years, but topping out at a $25M AAV. Something in the $110M to $125M range.

      Castillo of course is a little cheaper and a little shorter – so definitely some excess value there. I agree that the first three years of Flaherty’s deal might be valued at $30M per (with the fourth and fifth years being less valuable). That suggests excess value for Castillo in the vicinity of $25M?

      That’s roughly a 50-grade prospect or a lower tier young ML starter. They can try to push the value a little higher due to scarcity, but more likely that a deal doesn’t get done.

      I still think Castillo is ideally suited to the Seattle park.

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      • Simm

        5 months ago

        Flaherty isn’t getting 30m x 5. His value is basically the same as Castillo. Perhaps he gets an extra year or two but they have about the same value. Which means a Castillo is currently paid about what he is worth. Some surplus value there but coming off an era+ of 101 last year isn’t helping his value. Plus his no trade clause makes it even harder to get value.

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        • WaitTil2026

          5 months ago

          I wouldn’t expect much from Flaherty in those fourth and fifth years. Giving him $110M/5yrs is an inferior deal to giving Castillo $66M/3yrs, even if the AAV is the same.

          I agree they are broadly similar pitchers. Which might make it difficult for the Mariners to find a trade partner as long as Flaherty remains available.

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      • BITA

        5 months ago

        Yeah I think Flaherty gets a deal like Wheeler got a while back the 5 years 120 or so million. And he has the potential to outperform it like Wheeler did.

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    • norcalblue

      5 months ago

      Lots of delusional people here today Tridents. Agree that 6 years and $180 m for Flaherty is a simply fantastical proposition. However, when the author of the post begins by suggesting Lamont Wade for Castillo might be a reasonable swap, you can expect the craziness to flow freely.

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    • Well said.

      5 months ago

      Flaherty is not going to Baltimore. They didn’t like him two seasons ago and he didn’t like them. He was very happy in Detroit and return to the Tigers would not be a great shock.

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  25. RotiniRick

    5 months ago

    My guess is Baltimore becomes desperate enough and overpays for him

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  26. johncoltrane

    5 months ago

    Mets have surplus of prospects
    Baty, clifford, houck, tidwell

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  27. good vibes only

    5 months ago

    I think they would prefer not to trade him, but are having a hard time finding partners to take prospects for major league infielders. Dipoto has said multiple times that trading from SP is basically the break glass in case of emergency plan.

    I’d pass on that trade. Not that the trade isnt fair I just think they can find cheaper 1-2 WAR players that dont deplete them at SP. Also dont think Arraez can play 2B at this point, he’s pretty bad at 1B.

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    • wayneroo

      5 months ago

      Arraez is very one-dimensional. Singles hitter with very little power and no defense. No thanks.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      I think the trade I would go for is Castillo to Boston for Casas and Yoshida. That’s the deal right there.

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      • good vibes only

        5 months ago

        They can keep Yoshida in that deal. I personally wouldn’t do Casas for Castillo straight up but I wouldn’t be upset or anything if that’s ultimately what happened.

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  28. DanUgglasRing

    5 months ago

    Would be very cool to see Posey swing a trade for Castillo after missing out on Burnes. The Alonso news with the Giants seems like Boras smoke, but would be at the very least puzzling if it were to go through.

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  29. BabyBoyBlueDiamond

    5 months ago

    So much for Dipoto’s “trading from our rotation is plan Z”. They haven’t had a single major league move this off season and it is glaring that they, again, misjudged the markets for their targets and misjudged any interests by free agents… if they even targeted many.

    But of course, all of this goes to show just how foolish this front office is as negotiations in this situation. They’ve come out and shown their hands to the league, clearly confessing like fools that they aren’t willing to get players via free agency. Instead they’re a “draft/dev/trade” organization. Way to completely rid yourself of any leverage at all. Maybe that’s why no one is giving you deals that you like and the league is trying to fleece you of your strength. I’d do the exact same thing.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      You really wanted the Mariners to add on an albatross free agent contract ??? You know spending dumb money just to spend money is not an ideal strategy. Who would have you wanted ?? Bregman? O’Neill?

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  30. my oh my 614

    5 months ago

    What a mess of an article. Luis was acquired in 2022 for Seattle at the deadline to start.

    To say Seattle doesn’t have pitching depth shows a lack of knowledge about the organization. We don’t have major league experienced pitching depth, but Seattle has at least 3-5 pitchers playing very well that could come up and produce. That’s not to mention the young studs that are still developing. Pitching is where this team is deepest. And finally, if you’re going to talk about a Davis Schneider who batted .190 or a Leo Jimenez who’s shown low batting skill thus far and call Leo Rivas an option for everyday play, we need to look at a Samad Taylor who just hit .260 for us in AAA last year and swiped 50 bags. Locklear played a total of 9 full games out of the 16 he appeared in, that’s hardly anything to worry about as he’s shown promise in the minors (.933ops in 41 AA games and an .801ops in 70 AAA games). I hope we don’t lean on Dmo for anything more than a backup piece as he hit .229 vs lefties this year so it looks as though Bliss and Shenton are going to get the call as of now. We all pray that a JT comes back to platoon at first to give Locklear that last year that could polish his bat. If it were Castillo to go, that’d be preferable as our young guys look to be very good and Gilbert is coming to be the man of that rotation. As for Castillo’s replacement, you have Hancock, Taylor Dollard coming back from injury, Logan Evans, Michael Morales, Brandyn Garcia, Reid VanScoter, and Ashton Izzi who are all realistic options who have had success as high as AA in bulk innings. More than likely, we’d see Hancock start the season and get replaced if he weren’t doing well. Infield options are present as well, though I personally think we’re a ways out on that seeing Cole Young with success in AA last year as well as Ben Williamson, Spencer Packard, and Jared Oliva although they’re not proven yet. Our focus needs to be at least one infielder and it needs to be a good one. You can get by this year on that and go into the 2025 offseason after freeing up 29.5 million from Mitch and Mitch alone. If we’re serious about this year, we need that infield piece.

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    • Zippy the Pinhead

      5 months ago

      My oh my 614 — Raley had good splits on both sides of the plate last year, so I think they leave Locklear at Tacoma. We’re probably stuck with Haniger at DH until he is inevitably DFA’d in May. Moore is better as an everyday utility guy, so I think the weakest spot will be Shenton as the 3B. Bliss and Taylor can play 2B until Young is ready, but none of those three have proven ready for prime time yet, just like Shenton.

      But 2025 looks like another lost season without 2 more bats. Maybe the two Kims. Trading Castillo has to hurt the other team as much as it will hurt the M’s, and none of the scenarios in this article are even close.

      In a perfect world, they pony up an overpay to get Alonso. I’ll check my almanac for the date following the day Hell freezes over.

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  31. gr81t2

    5 months ago

    Yes on Mountcastle, no on adding anything else

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  32. brandons-3

    5 months ago

    If the Mariners were amenable to a deal centered around Nacho Alvarez and Bryce Elder that deal would probably already have been done.

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  33. BigRedMachine

    5 months ago

    I don’t see how some can say that the Orioles are done with their Pitching Staff for 2025. They just lost their best pitcher in C. Burnes. Rodriguez, Eflin, Kremer, and Sugano? What am I missing? Bradish maybe in late July-August? The M’s and Orioles seem like the perfect trade partner. Castillo and a strong prospect like C. Young or M. Arroyo for Mountcastle and Westburg? Too much from the Orioles? Mountacastle and Mayo for Castillo and a Top 10 prospect? Just seems like a good match. O’Hearn can play first for the O’s and they have numerous 2b-3b.

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    • King Floch

      5 months ago

      Right now, the Orioles rotation would be Eflin, Grayrod, Sugano, Kremer, and one of Povich, Suarez, Rogers, McDermott, and Brandon Young, with Bradish and Wells (both on TJS recovery atm) as potential second half reinforcements.

      I think that group would probably be fine, at least until the trade deadline, but I would certainly prefer better than “fine,” and I think Mike Elias agrees, so I do still expect another outside addition.

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      • BITA

        5 months ago

        You keep expecting fella. Good luck with that.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          I mean, we just reportedly offered Burnes what would have been the largest AAV in franchise history by a wide margin.

          That would certainly seem to imply that adding another good SP is a high priority objective for the FO.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          So they just gonna sign another Burnes?

          He doesn’t exist so…..what now?

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          There’s plenty of offseason left.

          I’m confident that Mike and the gang will dig up someone decent, though probably not quite on Burnes’ level since he was the consensus top FA SP.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          From the moment we traded for Burnes, I considered him little more than a 1 year rental in all likelihood, so him leaving doesn’t really bother me. I would have liked to have him back obviously, but he wanted to be as close to his wife and kids as possible while still retaining his career as a MLB SP, so you can’t really complain about the Orioles not signing him, and the FO made a legitimate attempt to bring him back prior to that, so you can’t really complain about them being cheap either.

          Now that the Burnes matter has finally been resolved, Elias will turn his attention to other targets- Sasaki, Cease, Castillo, maybe Flaherty (though I hope not), Gray, etc.

          I just don’t see any reason to freak out right now, no matter how much you want me to for some bizarre reason.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          @BITA: Typical insult laden comments from the guy who mutes those who disagree w/him.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          Jeff- In fairness to BITA here, I called him a “goofball” in a comment I almost immediately chose to delete for the sake of trying to be more diplomatic, but he saw it before I deleted it so I won’t hold it against him that he decided to return fire.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          @ King Floch: Thanks for the reply. Have to say that BITA doesn’t typically need a reason to insult or name call others here. He does so on a regular basis. He also has a long list of those he’s muted simply because we disagreed w/his opinions. The many different screen names he uses to attack others on the site have been noticed by more than just me.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          That has pretty much been my experience as well, and my since-deleted salvo was far from random and unprovoked, but it’s still the Christmas season so I decided after the fact to try to be more cordial, but it was too late and he answered my volley, and since that’s perfectly fair IMO, I felt it necessary to re-add the now-lost context.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          There is no probably about it. There are no starters on the level of Burnes that are available.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          Best of all possibilities for blackpink/BITA/and his many other screen names. Not only does he get to keep engaging in his childish name calling, he doesn’t have to see the replies of those he’s muted and continues to disparage.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          My brother, it is not even January 1st, 2025.

          We acquired Burnes in early February of 2024.

          There is literally nothing to worry about right now.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Time will tell

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          If, in 7 weeks, in mid-February, when pitchers and catchers are filing into work, no better starter than Sugano has been added to the rotation, then yeah, I will be pretty upset, but in December, the year after we traded for Corbin Burnes in February?

          No, that’s dumb, and it’s especially dumb when we were just trying to sign the top FA SP, who was also the guy we traded for, to a franchise record contract, which is a pretty clear indicator that adding another good SP for next year is a major focus of the FO at present. It may happen via trade now like last year, but I don’t see any reason why Elias would just throw up his hands and play Fornite the rest of the winter because Burnes literally went home.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Who is available for trade that hasn’t been traded yet? Castillo maybe. Thats about it.

          Trying to sign Burned and actually doing it are 2 entirely different things. You don’t get points for effort here.

          We will see. Right now the Orioles are worse than they were at the end of 2024. And that’s with no real bad contracts and a reliever coming back from injury. They should be spending. They aren’t spending.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          @King Floch: Tell little blackpink/BITA there are several pitchers available as trade options. Several of his beloved Cardinals for instance. Fedde, Mikolas, Gray, etc. He also doesn’t get points for his “my opinions are facts” garbage. Pivetta’s still unsigned, etc.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          Except Rubenstein DOES get points there, you don’t get to arbitrarily ignore completely relevant information just because it damages your preferred narrative, which is that the Orioles never spend, which as I broke down for you more than once in the past already, was only ever *really* true under John Angelos, Peter’s son who had control of the team for the final few years of Peter’s life, and who is 100% out of power now.

          Rubenstein has already allowed Elias to raise payroll by about $40 million over where it was when he assumed control earlier this year and he was still completely comfortable with the idea of setting a new record for the largest contract in franchise history ON TOP of the existing increase, and that new total payroll amount would have potentially broken the all time Orioles franchise record for opening day payroll (~$165 million). You are wrong here, objectively and provably.

          So then why do you continue to lie about this even after someone explained it, in detail, for you previously? Like, what is in it for you? Is it just a matter of needing to be “right?” Like, you said it here once and now you have to stick to it forever because otherwise it would be a tacit admission of past error to acknowledge the newer and far more relevant data?

          It just boggles my mind, man. It’s so bizarre.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Are the Orioles better today or worse than they were at the end of 2024?

          You tell me. I don’t need 500 words like you do to make my point.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          5 months ago

          BTA w/the strawman deflection. He’s not only incapable of admitting that he’s wrong about something, he can’t even stick to the ongoing discussion. Thus the name calling, insult laden personal attacks that he constantly makes.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          And straight to the goalpost move to avoid having to engage with information that directly contradicts his position, vintage BITA.

          You’re such a goofball lol.

          Oh, and just to deny you the opportunity to say “no u,” I do not think the Orioles are better today than they were at the end of 2024 (offense and defense should be, pitching staff badly needs another #1-3 SP and decent RP), but today is December 29th, not March 27th, so I don’t really understand why I am supposed to be all like “aaaah, the sky is falling, we’re all doomed, DOOOOOOMED!”

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Wait and see. That big move you keep talking about isn’t coming. Wait and see.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          It came in the first or second week of February last year.
          Literally just last year.
          Like I literally just explained 2 or 3 posts ago.
          And it’s still December.
          I can’t even, bro.
          I’m tapping out.
          Have a nice night.

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    • oriole

      5 months ago

      No way do they offer someone like Westburg or Mayo in a trade for Castillo. Maybe Gilbert, but not the older expensive SP. I think Mountcastle on his own should be enough considering the cost difference. If they need a pitcher back then you offer someone like Rogers.

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      • King Floch

        5 months ago

        I would be 100% willing to discuss a Mayo-for-Miller/Woo framework.

        Westburg, not so much.

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        • hllywdjff

          5 months ago

          Mayo for Castillo/Cole Young?

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Look at Miller’s home road splits. I wouldn’t trade him for Mayo. Woo maybe.

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      • BigRedMachine

        5 months ago

        Ok, that makes sense that Mayo and Westburg would be too much. . What about Mountcastle and Urias or Mateo for Castillo and a mid level prospect?

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        • C Yards Jeff

          5 months ago

          Seattle is looking for hitting now. Mayo is not there yet.

          And Mouncastle isn’t going anywhere. The signing of O’Neil and the shortening of the LF wall were done in part with him in mind. Ryan gets his mojo back in 2025.

          If the Os FO thinks they need another arm in 2025, do what they did in 22 & 23. One yr deal with an option for an FA.

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Mayo is ready to play and Seattle needs help at both 1b and 3b. He’s a good fit for the Mariners.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          5 months ago

          Mountcastle Westburg

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    • rottenboyfriend

      5 months ago

      At 24M per Castillo is basically a free agent with zero surplus value since he has a no trade clause! The only advantage is it’s a 3 year deal and he would probably want an extra year tacked on to approve the trade! If U want a game changing talent U R going to have to trade one of your younger starters with lots of control left!

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      • good vibes only

        5 months ago

        His no trade clause is only for 2025. He also has a team friendly deal in there that his 2028 salary only vests if he throws 180IP in 2027, and turns into a $5M team option if he has an elbow injury 2025-2027. There is absolutely surplus value on that contract.

        That being said what you said about ‘game changing talent’ is 100% correct. They’ll need to trade one of the other 4 if they want to get back a stud young bat.

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    • gr81t2

      5 months ago

      No. Mayo and Mount too much for Castillo who in. No way shape or form has shown #1 qualities the last couple of years. Mariners are trying to offload him, don’t overpay. Would rather make a fair trade and even over trade for Cease if can manage an extension first

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  34. zorn

    5 months ago

    How about the Pirates!? swap contracts! K. Hayes for Castillo! sprinkle in some lower Prospects! Pirates can replace Hayes with Triolo and add a much needed veteran SP!

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    • seamaholic 2

      5 months ago

      Why on earth would Seattle even think about that?

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      • BigRedMachine

        5 months ago

        It Has to be a trade idea that helps both teams. The return from the Pirates in your one sided trade idea does not work for the Mariners.

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        • zorn

          5 months ago

          point taken! I guess it depends on the Prospects that could be used!
          I guess I was thinking of a change of scenery for Hayes and potential declining starting pitcher was a good match.

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        • BigRedMachine

          5 months ago

          zorn, do you value Hayes ? Just curious, Do you see him a true asset in Pitt? I know he has a good glove. Just wondering if the M’s could get him from the Bucs for say a SP like Emerson Hancock?

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        • zorn

          5 months ago

          I agree that he is glove first right now! I just wonder if there is any bat potential that the Pirates can’t figure out how to get out of him!
          I would love to get Emerson in return. I was just thinking the contract was going to be a problem.

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  35. kodion

    5 months ago

    Something doesn’t add up:
    As usual, Blue Jays right at the top of “Best Fits”.
    “Meanwhile, the rest of baseball waits to see if Toronto will fall far enough behind to consider sending off Vlad Jr. or Bichette at the Trade Deadline. (Or Kevin Gausman, for that matter.) If they get off to a slow start this year, the vultures will be circling immediately. The Jays look as wobbly and uncertain as any team in baseball right now, and time is running out to change that outlook.” -from MLB site

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    • WaitTil2026

      5 months ago

      When you see a terrific piece of meat like Vlad Guerrero, you start your circling early!

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  36. The_Porcupine

    5 months ago

    If i were baltimore, id try to pick up both castillo and lopez. That will give a pretty solid base to the rotation for the next 2-3 years to pair with greyson. The os have never been good about developing pitching, so they will need to pick up pitching from outside the organization. Given the teams reluctance to part with the draft picks associated with the top tier free agents, focusing on trading for established pitching becomes the avenue to pursue.

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  37. King Floch

    5 months ago

    Considering Castillo’s age and contract, Mountcastle and Povich is probably pretty fair, but at the same time, it’s not too hard for me to see a scenario where Povich is the better pitcher over the next 4 years.

    Being an MLB GM is hard and I’m glad it’s not my butt on the line making these types of decisions.

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    • Acoss1331

      5 months ago

      Orioles will be a better team with all the injured players coming back for 2025, I’m not sure Elias will do anything to make a splashy move just to make a move.

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    • oriole

      5 months ago

      I’d keep Povich. If they want a pitcher back in the trade then maybe Rogers? Mountcastle and Rogers seems like plenty for an expensive SP that is likely at the start of his declining years

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      • King Floch

        5 months ago

        Acoss- Elias has certainly shown that he doesn’t care about headlines, so I don’t think he will make any panic moves due to Burnes deciding to go home instead of returning to Baltimore. I do think he still wants another decent SP though.

        oriole- The M’s can definitely do better than Mountcastle and Rogers, and I say this as someone who wasn’t infuriated by the Rogers trade and still thinks it’s got a decent shot of turning out alright in the end.

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        • oriole

          5 months ago

          King, I think you might be overvaluing Castillo a bit. It’s hard to compare hitters and pitchers but Mountcastle had more WAR, a better OPS+ relative to Castillos ERA+, and he won’t be nearly as expensive. Castillo has an extra year of control remaining, but at $25 million at age 34…is that really a good thing? I think Rogers is an unnecessary add on and that a 1:1 deal with Castillo and Mountcastle is pretty even, all things considered.

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        • BigRedMachine

          5 months ago

          oriole, you are undervaluing quality starting pitching in major league baseball. Luis Castillo is a really good starting pitcher with a proven durability track record. I understand that his contract is a bit of cash money but seeing some of the contracts that mediocre starting pitchers got this year, in some ways he is a bit of a bargain.

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    • O'sSayCanYouSee

      5 months ago

      I really liked Povich the second time up from AAA. He doesn’t have any of the eye-poping tools, but he’s got grit. His second time up he no longer has the deer-in-headlights look when things went sideways and instead was focused and determined. Cade Povich might have been the guy in the first half…but alt-persona “Slim” is a keeper.

      Agree that Povich next couple of years could be better than Castillo. Castillo is one hell of a smart pitcher though, and his diminishing stuff is off set by his pitching acumen.

      Hard call indeed.

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      • King Floch

        5 months ago

        Yeah, his second stint is what gives me pause too. He looked the part of a solid mid-rotation SP enough that I would almost be okay with just giving him the 5th starter job to start the year.

        But I also think Castillo has plenty left in the tank, so if Mike decides to include him in that hypothetical deal, I won’t immediately pull my hair out, although I will definitely still be a bit nervous.

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        • Jbigz12

          5 months ago

          I think povich will be a LH version of kremer. Useful back end guy but without the upside of an impact starter.

          I said numerous times I wish we would’ve included him instead of DL Hall in the Burnes deal. I think DL is going to be a nasty reliever once a team lets him stay there.

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        • King Floch

          5 months ago

          I still believe in Hall, so I could certainly see that.

          I could see Povich being an adequate #3 for a couple of years, but not really much of anything beyond that, and that level of success is not necessarily the likeliest outcome either. Still, that kind of guy can have value, at least until the later arb years.

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  38. Neuf

    5 months ago

    Until the pitcher from Japan chooses where he will play nothing will be done re the starting pitcher situation ❤️✌️

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    • King Floch

      5 months ago

      People were just saying this in relation to Burnes, but he ended up signing before Sasaki.

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    • Simm

      5 months ago

      I doubt that considering unless you are the dodgers or padres your hopes of getting Roki are extremely low and not worth holding up plans for.

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    • Acoss1331

      5 months ago

      I agree, once Sasaki picks his team the other teams will start to pivot.

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  39. bhambrave

    5 months ago

    I could see the Braves offering Nacho, Bryce Elder, Smith-Shawver, another pitching prospect and David Fletcher (to save a few mil). I don’t know if the Mariners would take it.

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    • good vibes only

      5 months ago

      If I’m Dipoto, I would do that.

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  40. JimC

    5 months ago

    Castillo’s contract is NOT affordable. He’s about to be underwater. Seattle is smart to dump now.

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  41. Stevil

    5 months ago

    The question people should be asking: Who would be willing to give up a promising starting pitching prospect that’s near-ready or ready-now for Castillo?

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    • hllywdjff

      5 months ago

      Castillo/Young for Casas/Kutter

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      • Stevil

        5 months ago

        Why would Boston do that?

        And why should Seattle target a lefty-hitting first baseman when they already have one?

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        • BITA

          5 months ago

          Raley or Casas can DH. Seattle needs lefty hitters. I doubt Seattle would trade Young though.

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        • hllywdjff

          5 months ago

          Use Raley and Garver at DH

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        • Stevil

          5 months ago

          And waste Raley’s positional flexibility?

          Regardless, it makes no sense for Boston.

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        • hllywdjff

          5 months ago

          Raley can rotate outfield maybe give them another bat instead of young

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      • WaitTil2026

        5 months ago

        Young would be worthless to the Red Sox. They’ve traded two middle infield prospects better than Young.

        The Red Sox already turned down Casas for Castillo, and I don’t see this as an improvement.

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  42. Rsox

    5 months ago

    The Sox could help Seattle in this deal with Casas plus one of Grissom/Hamilton/Sogard or if Seattle was feeling bold Story. Helps them Mariners solve 2 of their 3 current Infield problems

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      I would prefer the original deal of Casas and Yoshida. Those middle infielders you’re offering are not tantalizing.

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      • WaitTil2026

        5 months ago

        I doubt that deal would still make sense for the Red Sox now that they’ve signed Buehler.

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  43. PrincessYuki

    5 months ago

    Mariners are set on outfielders. Boston trying to throw in Yoshida killed the trade talks.

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    • WaitTil2026

      5 months ago

      Yoshida is strictly a DH. One of the worst OF defenders in the majors.

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  44. dankyank

    5 months ago

    I think the Mariners will get limited salary relief from a Castillo trade. A deal with the Mariners for Suzuki, either third base prospect Ramirez or Mathis and perhaps a young arm like Killian would be a win win for both the sides.

    For the Mariners, they directly improve two positions by moving Raley to first. Another corner outfielder provides insurance against any possible regression by Robles. The salary relief is still sufficient to take on a Bohm type salary. The Cubs get a rotation anchor for an affordable price and loosen their outfield logjam a bit.

    The Orioles are a popular default option but I believe the offseason makes for poor timing. If they are going to build a package around Mountcastle- which seems like the obvious scenario – they should do it in season, after Mayo or Basallo have been integrated into the first base mix.

    Baltimore’s rotation will be relying on some combination of young arms like GRod, Povich and McDermott, as well as acclimating Sugano to the majors. Since O’Hearn is a below average defender, subtracting a gold glove finalist ahead of opening day is an unnecessary risk that hinders their young pitchers development.

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  45. jdt24boxer

    5 months ago

    Dodgers trade muncy for Castillo straight up! Then trade for arenado for a short term fill in @ 3rd.
    Castillo, snell, glasgnow, Yamamoto, and many others to compete for the 5th spot.

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    • Lanidrac

      5 months ago

      Arenado is under contract for 3 more years. How is that “short term”?

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  46. abcjr

    5 months ago

    I would not trade Castillo. Re-sign Polanco and Rojas and hope for bounce-back years.

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    • noproblempablo

      5 months ago

      Only problem there is unless they’re desperate why would either of those guys want to try and prove their worth for a long term contract hitting in Seattle for another year.

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    • dankyank

      5 months ago

      Bringing back Polanco would be a waste of money. They may as well use part of their miniscule off-season budget to try and acquire Bohm

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  47. Monkey’s Uncle

    5 months ago

    Wild idea that won’t happen for multiple reasons, but maybe points for original thought: Pirates

    Sure, they’re already looking to trade from starting pitching depth, but not veteran pitching depth. I think it would be a keen idea to have an established top of the rotation guy around to perhaps take some of the pressure off of Skenes, Jones and Keller (unless Keller is part of the return for Castillo). We already know the Bucs can’t hit a lick, so why not really build up the rotation and try to outpiich teams until some hitting either develops or is otherwise acquired? As for infield help, the Bucs seem to want to move Nick Gonzalez, who could be paired with pitching prospects, and Pittsburgh also seemingly has about 20 other interchangeable middle infield guys besides Gonzales as other options.

    Won’t happen because: Bucs won’t pursue it or think they can afford Castillo (even though I’d bet they can); Castillo probably wouldn’t approve it; Mariners would probably ask for Jones plus a lot

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    • O'sSayCanYouSee

      5 months ago

      Both the Bucs and M’s have pitching and need bats. I don’t see how either team are benefitted by flipping controllable pitching to each other.

      If I’m the Bucs, I’m jumping into the conversation w/ the Red Sawx for Casas and another bat. Jones for Casas and Duran would dramatically help both clubs, imo.

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  48. Lanidrac

    5 months ago

    The Cardinals have a good 3B on the trade block and uncertainty at the back end of their rotation.

    However, it’s quite unlikely that both players would be willing to waive their no-trade clauses, plus the Mariners would have to be willing to add a lot of money to their payroll for both 2025 and 2026 with just this one move (with Arenado’s salary being more reasonable in 2027), even if the Cardinals agree to eat some of that money.

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  49. NashvilleJeff

    5 months ago

    So the Braves have a “rotation full of frequently injured hurlers” but the Dodgers rotation only has “durability questions.” Phrasing…………………………

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  50. M’s is for maybe

    5 months ago

    As hard as pill as it is to swallow at this point I could see a reunion with J.Turner to platoon at first with Raley and slot into DH against RHP to take AB’s away from Haniger (who we are stuck with this year) Keep Castillo until the ASB when his value is highest for desperate teams. There isn’t much left in free agency, but perhaps there is a short term solution until the prospects arrive. Obviously there front office isn’t serious about going for it, so let the kid’s develop and maybe we win 54% next year. Dipoto will spin it like he always does to sell tickets which above winning by far is their goal.

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    • MartialArtisan

      5 months ago

      The ironic thing about that has been proven in the past in Seattle; field a consistent, competitive winner and the fans will fill the stadium. @John Stanton If you build it they will come!

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  51. noproblempablo

    5 months ago

    Castillo and Arozarena for Casas, Yoshida, and a starter who can be plugged into the back end. Boston sends some money back with Yoshida to meet the M’s salary needs and give Yoshida the chance to play the outfield everyday and M’s bring down their strikeouts.

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      5 months ago

      Don’t know why Seattle would want that, but Breslow should already be signing the paperwork….

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    • WaitTil2026

      5 months ago

      I don’t think that would work for the Red Sox… Too many outfielders already, and Arozarena isn’t a great fit as a DH.

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      • Sad.Sox 3

        5 months ago

        Wait- its 100% daydreaming, but, they need a righthand power bat and competent left fielder.
        Arozarena, Duran and either Abreu or Anthony is a dynamic OF.

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        • WaitTil2026

          5 months ago

          I would expect Rafaela to be part of the picture, but even without him both Abreu and Anthony can use the PT. A RH power hitter would be nice, but it almost has to be 1B/3B/DH.

          The Red Sox don’t have a clear replacement for Casas if he is traded.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          5 months ago

          Wait- like I said, just daydreaming. I expect Rafaele to play CF everyday. I don’t want him moving around, let him grow.
          Doesn’t discounted the fact the Sox need a right power bat still.
          Here’s some more daydreaming. Would love Pete Alonso as my everyday DH

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    • Trashcan

      5 months ago

      Hell no

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  52. AG7

    5 months ago

    Like the article said, Braves don’t have much to offer position player wise, it they should be connected to every available starting pitcher right now.
    Castillo, Montgomery, Lòpez, Cease, etc.

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  53. tuck 2

    5 months ago

    Would not include Povich in a trade for Castillo. Os should sign Flaherty – bring back means and just accept that the Bradish injury hurts them and try to get by while they wait

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  54. TheGr8One

    5 months ago

    More pitching comes off the board the more Castillo’s 23 per for the next 3 with a vesting option value goes up. Remember Seattle doesn’t have to move him. But they will. He’s a 3 in Seattle but he’s more to others. I’d like his money elsewhere but I don’t need it. Seattle was a game away and I don’t think Houston is better than last year. If 2023 Julio had shown up they make the playoffs. 2023 Crawford we make the playoffs. I’ll take Seattles rotation in a playoff series against most so Seattle doesn’t need to make a splash they need to just get in. 100% of WS winners made the playoffs.

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  55. PrincessYuki

    5 months ago

    Mariners need a third baseman who gets on base the most. Which team has a third baseman who can get on base for Julio, Cal, Randy, and Raley?

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  56. mookiesboy

    5 months ago

    horrible take on the Mets He’s a great fit for a team with money that need one more starter andisliaded with young infielders

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  57. The Big Yo

    5 months ago

    Do any of you baseball officianado’s not realize the A’s have a mountain of very good pitching prospects lingering?

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  58. longoverdue1977

    5 months ago

    J.P. Crawford should not be locked in for the shortstop position until he learns how to hit. By the time he had learned to hit, he would be in his late 30’s.

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    • TheGr8One

      5 months ago

      Apparently I have to fact check you since you won’t do it yourself. JP has 3 seasons of over .300 hitting. He knows how to hit better than you know how to post.

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      • good vibes only

        5 months ago

        Uhh JP Crawford has never hit over 300 in his entire career, what are you talking about?

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        Not close. His best season was .273.

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  59. Pickle_Britches

    5 months ago

    Like the Mariners you miss the playoffs by one game 2 years in a row and gave up the fewest runs in baseball last year and they out here doing absolutely nothing I don’t get it. They deserve whatever happens. Hard to improve if you don’t do anything

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    • bigdaddyhacks

      5 months ago

      We have the worst ownership group.

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  60. CJ81

    5 months ago

    how about Arenado for luis castillo? the money is fairly even and mariners get some help in the infield. Cards want to reduce salary, so it wouldn’t really accomplish that. but they also want to let the young position players play. they can find out if gorman, saggese, or donovan can handle 3rd. and if the young players can play, then you have a pitching staff that can support them. if they struggle again, I think cards can flip castillo easier than they can arenado.

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  61. Dunston2Sandberg2Grace

    5 months ago

    what about the framework for three team deal…

    Cubs get: Castillo and Bichette
    Jay’s get: Assad and Alcantara
    Mariners get: Hoerner

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  62. ms since 77

    5 months ago

    ‪At this point, trade for Yandy Diaz (Ford and Morales); fortify defense by signing Brenden Rodgers to play second. ‬

    ‪Then trade Castillo and top 15-20 prospect to Philly for Bohm and reliever Orion Kerkering – 66 innings and a 2.29 era. ‬

    ‪With money saved from Castillo move, sign Sewald and Coulumbe (L) to join Kerkering, Santos, Brash and Munoz for a much stronger bullpen. ‬

    ‪Lastly, to give competition to Hancock as 5th starter, grab comeback candidate like Cal Quantrill or Jon Means on a one year flyer for $5m ‬

    ‪My work is done! ‬

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