The Yankees’ eight-year deal for Max Fried gave them one of the deepest collection of major league starting pitching in the sport. Fried joined Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon, Luis Gil, Clarke Schmidt, Marcus Stroman and the since-traded Nestor Cortes in a long line of Yankee rotation options. While the trade of Cortes to the Brewers loosened that logjam (and significantly bolstered the bullpen, bringing Devin Williams in from Milwaukee), the Yankees still have six big league starters, most of whom are earning significant salaries. With that in mind, it’s not exactly surprising to see Bob Nightengale of USA Today report that New York is “actively trying to deal” Stroman.
Stroman’s name has already popped up in trade rumblings since the Fried signing. The Yankees pitched a Stroman-for-Nolan Arenado framework to the Cardinals, which was rebuffed by St. Louis. (Arenado has a no-trade clause, but the scenario was reportedly not even presented to the third baseman, as the Cardinals weren’t interested.) Given those efforts, it’s only natural that the Yankees have explored other possibilities as well.
Stroman, 34 in May, is entering the second season of a two-year, $37MM contract. He pitched decently during year one of the pact, logging a 4.31 ERA in 154 2/3 innings, but his strikeout rate (16.7%) and ground-ball rate (49.2%) were a far cry from his typical standards. Stroman punched out 21% of opponents from 2019-23 and kept the ball on the ground at a robust 53.2% clip over that same span. Similarly, the velocity on his sinker dipped quite a bit; from 2019-23, Stroman averaged 92 mph on the pitch (91.4 mph in ’23). In 2024, he averaged just 90 mph on that sinker.
Left-handed hitters, in particular, proved problematic for Stroman. They tagged him for a .296/.372/.474 batting line. He fanned just 14.3% of lefties, compared to 19% of fellow righties. With Stroman playing half his games at Yankee Stadium, lefties took full advantage of the short right-field porch. He surrendered 15 of his 19 home runs at Yankee Stadium in 2024 and pitched to a grisly 5.31 ERA at home. On the flipside, he sported a tidy 3.09 ERA on the road.
That road production and a generally successful track record should create at least some interest in Stroman elsewhere around the league, though perhaps not at the full freight of his $18.5MM salary this coming season. Trade discussions are surely complicated by the fact that the highly durable Stroman also has a vesting player option on his contract. With 140 innings pitched in 2025, he’d gain a player option for $18MM. Were that a club option, it wouldn’t be quite so problematic; that it’s a player option means that even if Stroman struggles or incurs a late-season injury, he’d be able to lock in that $18MM payday in 2026. Stroman has averaged 159 inning across the past five full seasons in which he’s pitched.
That player option, presumably, only creates more urgency for the Yankees to find a deal. They already have Cole, Fried and Rodon locked in for a combined $85MM in 2026 (including Fried’s slightly deferred signing bonus, which is paid half in 2025 and half in 2026). Schmidt will be in his third trip through arbitration as a Super Two player, while Gil will be in his first arb season in 2026. In total, it could mean a rotation earning a combined $100MM.
Stroman is arguably the sixth-best starter in that group of six at the moment, and paying him $18MM in 2025 and potentially again in 2026 understandably may not be a palatable course of action for the Yanks. That’s especially true when considering the team’s luxury tax status; they’re currently in the top penalty bracket for luxury status. Moving Stroman would trim more than $35MM in 2025 spending. The Yankees will be on the hook for 50-110% penalties on their luxury overages in 2026, depending on where the exact payroll ultimately lands. Again, that could mean a savings of $27-37MM, depending on if his player option comes into play.
While the player option surely gives other teams some pause, Stroman’s contract itself isn’t necessarily all that far underwater. The offseason has already seen 37-year-old Alex Cobb and 41-year-old Charlie Morton command $15MM one-year deals — Cobb’s coming after he made only three starts in 2024. Frankie Montas landed two years and $34MM with an opt-out upon signing with the Mets. The price for starting pitching has generally exceeded all expectations. Stroman at a year and $18MM, even with the conditional player option, isn’t necessarily egregious. Plus, if Stroman hits the 140 innings and pitches more like his 2021-23 self (3.45 ERA in 454 1/3 innings), he could well turn down the option and reenter free agency anyhow.
The Yankees aren’t likely to extract any kind of notable young talent in return for Stroman, but swapping him out for another veteran on a contract of some note or eating a portion of the contract and acquiring some longshot prospect help could still be feasible. There are still five weeks until pitchers and catchers report to spring training, and the market in recent offseasons has produced plenty of notable trades even after camps open. There should still be time for a deal to come together.
Oh wow. I didn’t know that they were going to shop Stroman.
Cubs
Rots a ruck
A’s
Been there, done that.
Didn’t pitch him once the entire postseason. Every Yankee fan saw this coming
@thegreat
Most teams don’t pitch their 5th starter in the playoffs. Because of the days off in between you go with your top 3 usually.
Should have put another pitcher on the roster and there were multiple instances where he could have been used. SPs can be used as relievers, LAD did it. Yankees ending up over using their bullpen. But, the point is, NYY had a fresh arm all postseason and never used him, especially after Hamilton got injured, so that showed how little confidence NYY had in him, which showed NYY fans he was never staying with the team.
If Cashman can dump Stroman and his salary it will allow the Yankees to make 1 or 2 more decent moves. I just don’t know if a trade will materialize anytime soon. Thinking it may take an injury in spring training for a trade to happen if at all.
Seeing what some of these, let’s generously call them back of the rotation pitchers, are getting in FA, they should be able to move him but won’t get anything in return.
@lejamesbron If they’re dealing Stroman (and I’m not a fan of his, particularly) those “1 or 2 decent moves” had better include a starting pitcher.
When they get something like 110 acceptable starts from Cole, Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, and Cole, where are the other 52 starts coming from?
You’re forgetting Fried, so that drops to about 20 starts
Well he added Cole twice.
@Jack
How many SP are they supposed to carry on the 25-man roster? There is plenty of time to add depth that’ll pitch at the AAA level. Those guys usually get flushed out over the next few weeks and spring training when guys get cut. There is no need to pay ANYONE over $1 mil or $2 to be AAA depth.
Arenado to the Yankees would still be a good fit but cashman really tried to lowball the cardinals so he might not be motivated to do a deal
Would stroman and either Everson pereira or Oswald peraza be enough?
Marlins need to get him… they will fix their payroll problem while getting a prospect in return… NYY also could get a reliever
Lombard and Stroman to MIA
Nardi to NYY
The Yankees weren’t going to trade Lombard for Kyle freaking Tucker. They’re certainly not trading him in a salary dump.
Would the Yanks have to attach a lower end prospect to dump his salary? I thought he was the odd man out last postseason? Who’s going to give up anything of value for an expensive 4th or 5th starter?
If he’s a 4th starter, he’s not expensive at 18m.
Depends on how much a team is paying their 1-3 starters. Its all relative.
@Shark
I think the Yanks would need to eat $8 mil. A 4th starter giving you 150 IP and an era that should improve away from Yanks stadium. His GB% is still elite. However, 15 of his 19 homers allowed were at Yankee stadium. I think a move to a stadium that’s tougher to hit homeruns and a good infield defense could see his era take a dip below 4.
Stroman for Rendon?
Please, I just ate breakfast.
🙂
What if we say please
Rendon has a Full NTC. He’s not going anywhere.
actually he strained his NTC last week and it won’t be fully rehabbed until september
Now that’s some funny stuff right there
@Rendon
I think he’s wave it to escape LA but why would anyone want him? he can’t play 50 games a year right now.
Rendon has a full No Trade Clause *and* he does not care. He openly admitted so very many times that he hates baseball, he does not care, it’s just a skillset he happened to possess that made him a ton of money and once he got the Angels deal he truly stopped caring, at all.
The Angels are stuck with him and I am genuinely amazed they don’t just outright release him- unless this is all a game of chicken, wherein Rendon does the absolute bare minimum to not be found in breach of contract and lose any of the remaining money, the way the Mets were able to prove that Yoenis Cespedes was blatantly making excuses to not play and just go live his life while collecting his paychecks, which lost him $15,856,497 of his 4 year/$110M original guarantee.
That’d be the equivalent of Rendon losing $35.317M or about one year’s worth of his Angel’s salary. Rendon already lost $22M of that $245M deal to the pro-rated COVID season in 2020, he did not want to lose a dollar more for any reason- so he has managed to make just enough effort to not allow the Angels to file a grievance.
I call this the ‘Jacoby Ellsbury’ method of fleecing a team.
The Angels have a terrible training and medical team. They misdiagnosed Rendon and Trout for that matter, causing them more months of rehab than was really necessary. Get a new team that can keep the boys healthy.
@teamspirit. I’ll give you the trout injury being misdiagnosed. Rendon went to 10 doctors finally with the last one agreeing. he just doctor shopped to get time off. With his track record and him saying the baseball season should only be 40 games that’s 100 percent what happened.
You’re missing my point though- I got so caught up with the Rendon vs Cespedes comparison that I forgot to mention that the Angels will never give Rendon what he wants, which is his outright unconditional release- which would allow him to not be forced to pretend like he is trying to play and be productive- again, it’s a game of chicken between a team that regrets the signing and a player who really does not want to have to play for the money- which is something the A’s cannot afford to take on, even if there wasn’t a No Trade Clause.
@Rexhudler86 Yeah that was hilariously transparent of Rendon to say, because he was definitely implying he’d like to have to tolerate 75% fewer games per season without losing a single dollar in salary- and even then he likely would still doctor shop to find someone who would give him a diagnosis that would allow him to ‘rest’ due to an ‘injury’- the only difference being that he’d only have to keep up the charade for about 8 weeks a year rather than 26-ish weeks a year.
@trillionaire. Rendon is definitely staying. You’re right he wants the angels to release him, so he can retire. He won’t accept any trade angels would have to eat the whole contract so it doesn’t even matter. So the angels only position is to let him sit on the bench, and he can play his 40 games. He’s not a malcontent just doesn’t care. The best way to punish him is to make him show up every day and not play that way he can’t fake a injury.
Yup. I wonder how far into that deal the Angels realized it was fraud.
And again- I give Rendon credit for being a more sophisticated con artist than Cespedes was with the Mets and I give Ellsbury credit that it wasn’t fraud so much as disillusionment, with both team and player falling out of love with each other and silently moving on without formally breaking up. Ellsbury and the Yankees mutually ‘ghosted’ each other, while Cespedes did it one sided, which you can’t do while under iron clad contract- and the Angels are being vindictive (justifiably so) towards Rendon by not doing the Yankees thing and forgetting he exists while they continue to pay out the money.
And yes- I know the Yankees eventually filed a grievance against Ellsbury, accusing him of dragging out rehab assignments to avoid playing, which is kinda what Rendon does, but the difference is that the Yankees barely tried to fit Ellsbury back into the line up, whereas the Angels seem determined to find playing time for Rendon, even if he has almost no productive on field value at this point.
Oddly enough, for a guy who claims he wishes the baseball season was only 40 games a year, that’s approximately the number of games Rendon plays per season anyway.
I am sure it’s just the multi-multi millionaire version of when people have a job where they’re not really valued and don’t have a ton to do, but the employers doesn’t bother firing them and they can’t afford to just quit, so they go to work knowing they have no value and don’t really want to make the effort and sit around 75% of the time not being asked to do anything and hoping they’re forgotten for that day by the managers, but occasionally they do have to do something professional so that the employer feels like they’re getting *something* out of the person- but most of the time the employee just kinda counts the hours and adds up their income passively- like Rendon and the Angels.
@trillionaire. I’m sure they knew after the first year. He’s definitely not sophisticated just transparent. Angels should’ve vetted better, papelbon has said several times that Rendon acted like practicing and anything baseball related was like pulling teeth with him. Arte ripped up the wheeler contract and urged eppler to sign him. He’s a very expensive bench player but he still hits clutch doubles. Perry has said he needs to earn a spot in the starting lineup but currently he’s the 3rd baseman. I would say maybe newman, but that’s the only position he can’t play defensively.i wanted kim, maybe they get ha, and he can sit a month.
LOL, the Angels would jump on that one for sure!
This isn’t news.
No chance. Stroman has too much bad baggage to be worth anything. Peraza and Pereira are also quickly becoming the new Andujar Frazier trade package.
I remember the “We’ll trade Andujar and Frazier for your best player” comments. Good times.
Im still an Andujar truther lol tho im biased because i watched him play in A+ ball and it was a blast watching him rip an XBH everyday
Delvi Garcia too
You must be a Met fan. The baggage only appeared in his Met days.
@hockey
Everson Pereia is 23 years old, has a career .855 OPS in the minors with only 300 AB at the AAA level where he posted a .850 OPS. He was called up and in 83 AB struggled. How is the worthy of comparing him to other prospects that failed? And keep in mind that Andujar had a great rookie season, missed a year to intro and came back and was never the same until years later with the A’s. Clint was great until he started suffering from numerous concussions that caused blurry vision?
Context please… one prospect had nothing to do with others. Every publication had Frazier as a top 25 with the Indians and Andujar showed signs of being a Robinson Cano/Melky Cabrera type of bat first prospect before he was injured.
Knicks fan, Pereira stuck out over 35% of the time at Triple Ain 2024 and over 43% of the time with the Yankees in 2024. He is heading in the downward direction just like Andujar and Frazier did. Yankee fans still pushed both Andujar and Frazier as valuable well past their usefulness. My point remains that Pereira and Peraza do not have the trade value that they used to have and that Yankee fans think that they have.
One of these six guys is going to need TJ in March or April. Just keep him
Right. It’s as if Cashman thinks it’s 1995
Don’t the As still need to add some salary to avoid a MLBPA grievance? And they still want SP?
This was my thought. This sounds like a job for the payroll-padding Athletics.
Cashman is good at his job, but the Stroman signing was a huge mistake. Cub fans were elated when he opted out of his contract a couple years ago.
@The Natural. “ Cashman is good at his job.” ??? Why and how? He has been handed a perennial $275, million-$300 million budget year after year….. and has not won a World Series for 15 years !! And prior to that the last time they were even in the World Series was 2003. Tell me what’s the definition of good at his job ??
Cashman took over in 1998 and the Yankess had 22 consecutive winning seasons from then til 2019,. During that span they won 100 or more games seven times with 4 World Championships, 13 division titles and had only missed the playoffs 4 times. That is pretty darn good. The five years after have not been as good, but last year was. ?????????
In fact, in what? 25 seasons? They have never had a losing record under Cashman. MLB is littered with teams who have spent like crazy without those results.
For better or for worse, Stroman was an anchor in the rotation while Cole was our for half a season. Having him meant that they didn’t need to rush Cole back.
Every team wants to offload as much as they can of bloated contracts to redirect money elsewhere or simply pocket it. They can compete with Philly trying to move Tajuan Walker, AZ with Montgomery, Hou with Pressly, etc.
Maybe mid-market/smaller market teams can go around offering lowball $ to everyone since they won’t care if turned down.
Good luck with that. There’s a reason they outbid themselves for him and it’s not because he’s so good…
Good luck moving that contract!
I’m not joking when I wonder aloud if the A’s would take on Stroman’s remaining money just to be in compliance. But– they’re still trying to get to that point with ‘cost effective’ deals, so I doubt it. The A’s would rather get 2-3 Stroman-esque over the hill players for a combined $24M or $39M or something like that- but, picking him up would more than get them over that hump- the problem is the A’s have “only” $8M left to get to $105M and Compliance, whereas Stroman would obviously push them well past compliance to $115M- but honestly- maybe that’d be a good move?
If the A’s do 9.5% more than the bare minimum it looks that much better for them and players might be more inclined to play there and who knows- one of their motley crews of cast off’s, has-been’s, etc. might coalesce into a real playoff contender if not the unlikeliest of World Series appearances.
I think the vesting player option makes it problematic for a small market team, even one trying to get into compliance.
Meh. They wouldn’t be the first team to take on a bad contract with a couple years left on it, just to take a flier or gamble with their budget in order to publicly make an expensive splash, in large part due to having limited appeal for players with real options and multiple suitors, etc.
I am not in charge of the A’s finances, obviously and public perception (that they are now willing and eager to spend) isn’t really as important as good signings/trades, etc., but I think it’d be a good look for them, temporarily. Take on Big Money Bad Deal for a year or two and let players know they can get paid real free agent money by the A;s, then when the contract burns off after 2026, they can sign someone actually worth the money for a similar-ish 2 years/$40M or 3 years/$55M or whatever.
So Cashman overpays Fried two years after overpaying Rodon. Gives away two years of Michael King, one year of Cortes, and now shopping two years of Stroman. Cashman no understand value.
It’s no wonder the Yankees started Alex Verdugo in every playoff game and used a backup Catcher to pinch hit in biggest at bat of the season.
Cashman didn’t overpay by years because there’s no such thing as overpaying by years. Years are added to lower the luxury tax hit. You can still drop him after 6 years if you’d like. You can try and say he overpaid by dollars if you want, but never by years.
Adding years just keeps you in a perennial luxury tax payer.
@metsin4 Yes, a perennial luxury tax payer at a lower amount. Which is the entire point.
Not really. Adding 20+ million on a future payroll that the player isn’t a contributing factor just pushes it down the road when you have to pay an additional player to make up for their production.
@metsin4 Yes, and that is an unavoidable consequence of long-term superstars. Ironically, your team just did that themselves with Soto. The teams are pretty blatant about caring way more about luxury tax penalties than about overall dollars. Adding years has no way fewer negative implications and saves money overall. That’s the entire point. Giving 20 years is a good thing if it reduces the AAV of the team (not that any player would accept being paid over that lengthy a period).
The Mets didn’t offer more years to avoid luxury tax. They offered him more years to sign him. They actually offered less years and a higher AAV than the Yankees did. The Mets and Yankees will both be in the highest luxury tax bracket for the foreseeable future and it’s not saving either team money as the tax money will be charged at one point or another. That is why the Mets gear for higher AAV salaries with less years except for the occasional superstar that warrants a long contract and is unavoidable.
The Mets could have just offered 10 years if they only cared to pay him during years they felt he’d be good. They offered more to avoid a painful luxury tax. Same reason the Yankees offered a 16th year. Every team does this. Once you reach the highest bracket, you’re paying $2 for every $1. So obviously by stretching out the years, and lowering the luxury tax hit, you save money. It’s just common sense to do it that way since you save money overall. Longer deals are always better. Than shorter deals for the same base salary because money is worth more today and it is tomorrow, and because you pay less in taxes. Not really rocket science.
It’s really not rocket science. They will still be in the top tier and paying the same luxury taxes for the next 15 years. So at the end of it they will be paying two players instead of one mega money and their luxury taxes will be even more. Adding payroll down the road just pushes it and the bill will still be due. As Cohen has shown he could care less about the luxury tax and will even pay contracts off and pay more now if he thinks it will benefit him long term.
It’s not brain surgery either. They’re at the top tier today. They may not be at the top tier in future years, because they secured a lower AAV by using more years (something you seem to be unable to grasp).
Additionally, what is worse: Paying $1m at the top tier or paying $2m at the top tier? Obviously the second is worse. By lowering the AAV, you’re making it where you’re paying less money at the top tier.
A few other things of note:
1. Cohen hasn’t shown anything yet.
2. “Could care less” means you care. What you meant to say was “couldn’t care less” (though you’d still be wrong…but at least you would have gotten the phrase correct).
Hoe did Cashman “give away” king when it got the yanks a mvp caliber year of Juan soto? Similarly how is it “giving away” a year of Cortes to get a year of Devin williams one of the best relief arms in the game?
Maybe a swap of contracts with Cincinnati for Jeimer Candelerio? He could play 3B move Jazz to 2B, Reds rumored to be looking for additional SP
Candelerio is a terrible defender. While he’s better than DJ he may not be that much better to make the move worth it. A spare 6th starter in this case is probably more valuable than a redux of DJ.
This actually makes sense
Not a big enough ‘name’ for the Cashman.
Stroman, 34 in May, stinks.
Attach a prospect to him and get him out the door. We need the space to get another bat!
Reds or Jays.
I was about to say I couldn’t fathom the Jays having any interest, but with the current Jays management, who the heck knows?
Canuck, “with the current Jays management???” Do you not remember It was the current management that traded Stroman. I highly doubt they would trade to get a lesser version of what they originally traded away.
I am well aware. I’m also aware they were rumoured to be considering a reunion with Teoscar at one point earlier in the offseason.
Revisiting old players isn’t really beneath them at this point.
They may be shopping him. Doesn’t mean anyone will buy.
Stroman is better than a few of the mediocre arms who got comparable money this offseason, Montas and Cobb to name two
Stroman for Ke’Bryan Hayes and some dollars exchanging or some low level prospects might do the trick for both teams.
Yankees should also consider a low level signing like Edwin Rois. After looking at his spray charts, he might be a great fit for Yankee stadium.
The only way that the Yankees get rid of Stroman is either they take on another horrible contract like Rendon, Trout, etc. or including top prospects like Dominguez or Jones. I know that neither of these things will happen. Stroman is a below average pitcher who is way overpaid and he has an attitude problem to top it all off
I don’t think cashman or Yankees fans understand that literally not a single team wants stroman because of his attitude. He literally bad mouths every team he leaves. He’s an awful clubhouse guy.
Aha! I read the attitude comment and thought “This must be a Met fan”.
@LFGM – This misses the whole point of trading Stroman — which is to clear money to use elsewhere. There is no point in adding another “bad” contract for him.
I get you don’t like the Yankees….but plenty of guys have gotten 15-18M this off-season to fill the 4th/5th slot. Some of those guys are much older and some have no MLB experience. Looking at that there is NO way that Yankees should have to pay Stroman’s full salary. I’d argue they might have to pay any (though that limits the return).
@Fernando P Your theory doesn’t take into account how teams see Stroman as a distraction. For example, MLB teams can sign Bauer tomorrow for nothing but no one wants him because he is a distraction (I disagree but thats how the GMs and Owners feel)
@LGFM – I get what you are saying but Bauer is a different kind of distraction.
Remember that Chisholm was identified as a distraction and clubhouse problem, yet he’s the one that was open to switching positions while Torres would not.
@Fernando P Chisholm at this point and time is twice the player Stroman is right now. Chisholm is young while Stroman is old. Take Yasiel Puig, he was a headcase but teams still gave him chances until he reached his early 30s. Same situation as this. Stroman has negative value
@LFGMets – Agreed Chisholm is a much better player. Don’t agree that Stroman has negative value. He’ll fare better outside Yankee Stadium. If Yankees eat 3M and leave him at 15M, he’s just as capable as Morton, Cobb, Sugano, Gibson, Lynn etc.
Trading Stroman is easy.
Contact all 29 other clubs and start the conversation with the Yankees will pay his entire salary.
In return the Yankees get an open roster spot and a low level prospect.
Trying to get a player or players of value and have the other team pay for Stroman…..well, then only contact teams among the other 29 that have foolish GMs.
I know stroman wasn’t great down the stretch last year but to think he couldn’t be a long relief or back end starter is a stretch for me. Not against moving him, just don’t see it as a necessity
Will stroman be a malcontent as a long reliever knowing he has an 18 mil option that triggers at 140 innings he’ll only hit as a starter? Probably. That’s the reason you just trade him
@NYG4246 he might be decent coming out of the pen. But with that option hanging over this year, he would (likely) complain about a lack of innings.
What team would want that headache? He is not that great and is a whiner.
I said this signing was a mistake last off season and I was correct. Wasn’t a fan before, and he proved why. Now that said, as the article said, this contract isn’t as bad as others make it out and is comparable to others given this offseason. However the thing that makes him a hard sell is not the contract or his abilities, but the guy himself. This is the part that’s never ingratiated him with fans and I’m sure teams alike. Still, I think it can get done, but with another player going with him. I do think to the Pads for Arraez makes a lot of sense, but a revisit with the Cards for Arenado does as well. There’s gotta be something there for them to bite.
I could see a trade for Arreaz but NY will have to kick in a lot of money. 1-1 it’s adding about 4 mil to SD for Stroman and that isn’t going to happen.
SD is a better park for Stroman to pitch in and he’ll have a better defense up the middle behind him.
I love Arraez as a player and he’d be a perfect leadoff hitter for us but we blocked him at 1B and DH. Everything I hear is he’s a terrible defensive 2B. It just goes against what we’ve been doing this offseason, focusing on fortifying pitching and fixing the defense. Jazz will either be improved at 3b with more reps or back where he thrives at 2B. Judge is back to being an asset in RF over Soto and his bumbling defense. Bellinger is a huge upgrade in CF. Torres and his laziness are gone. I wish it could work but I highly doubt we go for it
Honestly I think with all the upgrades you mentioned I’d take another Torres type defense at 2b for that kind of offensive output.
Yup even with the bad defense the thought of having him leading off makes me want to give it a whirl. There’s always the possibility that Goldy is old and G gets hurt and he can slide over to 1B or DH anyway.
nobody wants this guy
Hes still servicable, just not as good as he thinks he is. Can be useful as a 4 or 5 in the rotation and is salary isnt out of bounds considering what other 4/5’s received this off season. You just wont get more than a couple lottery pick type prospects or pitching depth to be stored in AAA.
You are still ignoring his attitude issues that many teams would want no part of.
@hockey – He’s been nothing but positive. Even when baited on Instagram, he’s talked about how he enjoyed playing and how he always wanted to play for Yankees. And if he gets traded, he understands.
I follow some of the Yankees players on Instagram. The young players gravitate. He’s also spoken candidly about maturing as a person. @Hockyjohn probably thinks Harper and Machado are terrible teammates bc people don’t change. I see the similar sentiments in the Alex Verdugo post.
@Fernando P pay attention. That is not correct.
YankeesBleacherCreature, it is very rude to put words in another person’s mouth. Be better. The Yankees tried to dump Stroman back on the Cubs in the Bellinger deal and the Cubs had no interest. People who talk about maturing likely haven’t matured at all. Good luck getting rid of Stroman. Don’t plan on saving much.
Yankees should hang onto him. That staff is old and fragile
Stroman was hurt, certainly not helped, by the Yankees defense last year. A more solid defense behind him will likely help him tick back above league average. Best chance of moving him is to wait for a couple more starters to come off the board.
Stroman traded for 2B with Yanks paying part of Stroman salry is likely outcome.
If Stroman pitches in a pitcher friendly park he’ll do well. He’s a groundball pitcher that needs good defense behind him. He’s also very streaky.
If a team wants a large contract and is hoping for a rebound performance they’d get Montgomery over Stroman
The Yankees would have to eat at least half of his contract in my opinion..
Good Luck with that…
It’s not even that I don’t want him this year, I really don’t want him next year. He was not even usable the majority of the year last year. I’d have rather run a Cody poteet type out there every 5 days than what stroman was offering.
It takes two to shop…one to shop and one to buy. I’m not sure that there are a lot of buyers here.
Met fans, stroman for starling marte??
If Stroman triggers the player option, it means the resumed starting five failed and they really needed him. So I don’t see that option as a real problem.
To the giants for yaz maybe a lower level prospect has to get thrown in there from the yanks. Straight across money wise and if he hits his incentive the yanks send 5mil would be a pretty reasonable deal. Gives the giants an innings eater and in that ball park the homer issue goes away. The yanks get a LHH outfielder with the capability to play all three outfield spots, though he’s much better in a corner than center, with some power that would play up with the short porch in NY
Stroman and international bonus money to Mets for McNeil.
Swap him for an overpaid 3B w a glove?
If Houston didn’t have the glut of starting pitching it had, I’d love to see him at The Radish. Can we call it that? Yes, I know it’s Daikin not daikon.
Seriously though, if Seattle pulls off trading Castillo, would they swap for Stroman if his salary is drastically paid down?
“Highly durable”. The guy has pitched over 160 innings ONCE since 2019! He is by definition NOT durable. That is precisely why his contract is not palatable. If he were durable he’d be a STEAL at 18 per. Do better mlbtraderumors. That’s just embarassing.
He’s always on the trading block because one clubs figure out he’s a cancer in the locker room they try to get rid of him.
There are several teams that could use a 4th/5th starter with past success. He’s been much better on the road as noted in the article, so that should generate interest.
Some teams willing to take on money (A’s, Giants, Jays) and some teams looking for Yankees to eat some money (Braves, Reds, White Sox, Tigers, Nationals). There are fits for those teams depending on what Yankees ask for in return.
There is no fit with the Cardinals or Padres. Those teams are trying to cut salary, while Yankees are looking to move Stroman’s salary (or DJ, LOL that isn’t happening).
The Yankees need to focus on Brenden Donovan, Luis García Jr if they are willing to move prospects like Jones, Warren, Hampton etc. Not moving Dominguez.
And a guy like Matt Vierling (if Tigers sign Bregman) or even a Ramon Urías could be useful guys that won’t require much salary or trade capital.
I think what they are asking for in return is cash. I think that the player return could be nothing.
Shoo fly shoo.
Yanks just have to get that projected salary cap down, it’s egregiously high. Stroman is really the #6 starter on a very impressive rotation so if they could move him without getting something back, I’d take the deal. Is he worth $18M plus a player option at 34? Borderline, but if the Yanks pay down $4M there will be takers.
He wasn’t good with the Yankees last season, but he was an all-star the prior year in Chicago. Get him out of Yankee Stadium and he could be pretty decent.
I don’t know the Yankees roster construction but if they need a backup C/1B platoon bat, would a Mitch Garver for Stroman swap make sense?
A world exist where Fried and Rodon total less than 150 innings due to injuries, Gil needs TJ, Nestor is gone. Schmidt sucks. Only Cole. Might want to hold onto Stroman. You’re the New York Yankees. In for a penny in for a pound.
The dodger had used like 13 starters last year. the Yankees have 6 currently they can rely on. They pitching is one injury away from folding. trading stroman would be dumb
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For the few positives additions he has done, I can name you multiple terrible ones.
I don’t agree that cash has used the farm well. In the last 10 years, how many home grown players have turned into above average players? Judge and maybe Torres. There have been the flash in the pans but nobody that has really turned into anything at all. Volpe and Wells have a promising future, but so did Sanchez and Torres.
How many prospects does he jerk around until they have zero value? You can’t say for sure they weren’t talented enough to make it, but i can say that they never gave those guys an extended chance. Let them fail and learn in the beginning and see what they can become. Or trade them when their value is highest. We all know the list of guys who fall into this category.
How many SPs has cashman traded for over the years that have been booed out of town?
I know he is limited by Hal, but most of the times he is allowed to swing for the fences, he whiffs.
I’ve been a fan since 1986, so i have witnessed Cashman’s entire career. I use to love him and thought he did a great job. But as the core 5 slowly faded away I realized how much his decision making and influence on the organization has dragged it down.
End of the day I just don’t think his skill set and player judgement matches up with todays game.
So to answer some of your questions about this years off season…
1) Goldy at 12 MM is not a bad signing value wise. It just has way to much potential to go south which wastes another year of Judge (already 32, how many more years can we waste?). I personally thought Walker for 3/60 is better. Goldy won an MVP at 35.
2) Belli is a fine addition in a vacuum. Good player, but not worth 28MM. Are we getting 2023 or 2024 version or worse? I think more 2023. But generally I like him.
3) Fried scares me and I’d rather have used that money on hitting.. I know the numbers, he makes the pitching staff better, but after losing Soto the SPs where not our weakness. Much rather have traded for Tucker.
I’m just salty that we didn’t get Soto. I think with a few small tweaks and Soto we would be right back in the WS. Now I don’t think we will be.
All teams know by this point what the worth of players are in their minds. Cashman is throwing Stroman out there because teams are looking to make their last moves for mid level pitching from Verlander, Scherzer, and others. Stroman fits into that group! All of these pitchers will be between 10-`15 million for one year! His biggest strength is he posts!
If the Yankees will eat some of his salary, then the Braves would be a good landing spot
Trade Stroman to the Giants
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