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Mariners Less Likely To Trade Luis Castillo; Twins Showed Interest

By Mark Polishuk | February 1, 2025 at 8:32am CDT

Luis Castillo’s name has swirled in trade rumors for much of the offseason, as since Castillo is far and away the priciest member of the Mariners’ rotation, Seattle has at least been more open to discussing Castillo than any of its other starting pitchers.  However, Adam Jude of the Seattle Times writes that a Castillo trade “is less likely now than it was early in the winter,” even if the Mariners will continue to explore other possibilities to build on what might be a mostly set roster.

Infield help was the Mariners’ clearest need heading into the winter, leading to natural speculation that the M’s would move Castillo or another starting pitcher for a clear-cut everyday player that could slide right as an everyday option at first, second, or third base.  This said, Seattle president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has long said that the M’s would trade from their rotation only as a last resort, so it might not be any surprise that the club is now moving away from Castillo after addressing its infield needs in free agency.

Jorge Polanco and Donovan Solano were both recently signed to one-year deals, adding a pair of experienced players to the infield mix for $11.25MM in guaranteed money.  These expenditures have absorbed much of the limited budget Dipoto had to work with, as Jude reiterates that the Mariners had roughly $15MM in available payroll space this winter.  Between this lack of spending ability and nearly league-wide demand for only MLB-caliber talent (rather than prospects) on the trade market, Dipoto’s hands may have been somewhat tied, and he opted to instead run it back with Seattle’s superb rotation rather than take the risk of diminishing the rotation for a hitting upgrade.

On paper, trading Castillo would’ve helped the Mariners both add a bat and cut some payroll, since the right-hander is owed $68.25MM in guaranteed money through the 2027 season.  (A vesting option for the 2028 season could add another $25MM in salary if Castillo remains healthy and tosses at least 180 innings in 2027.)  That said, Castillo’s salary was also no small consideration for other teams — in trade talks with the Red Sox, Boston was reportedly only willing to move Triston Casas for Castillo if Masataka Yoshida was also sent along with Casas as salary offset.

Several of the teams cited by MLBTR’s Nick Deeds in late December as potential Castillo trade fits have since acquired other pitchers, further narrowing Seattle’s list of options.  Opening Day is still eight weeks’ away, of course, so there’s plenty of time for the Mariners to pivot back to a Castillo deal if circumstances (i.e. injuries, a drop in asking prices) should change either for the M’s or a mystery team.

Perhaps as an example, the Twins hadn’t been considered as a potential landing spot for Castillo, but The Athletic’s Dan Hayes hears from a Twins source that reports that Minnesota did indeed check in with the Mariners about the veteran righty.  It doesn’t appear to be any more than a due diligence exploration, however, as Hayes suggests that Castillo’s contract is too pricey for the Twins’ liking.

Minnesota is also working within payroll restrictions, as Hayes writes that the Twins may have around $5MM in additional spending space for 2025.  Multiple reports suggest that the Twins would first have to trade some contracts off the books in order to make space for new acquisitions, which is why Christian Vazquez and Chris Paddack have been oft-mentioned trade candidates.

It was just over a year ago that the Twins and Mariners combined on a prominent trade that sent Polanco to Seattle in the first place, so the two teams have a recent working relationship.  Still, the two teams are somewhat in the same boat of trying to both fix some clear needs on their rosters while also spending as little as possible, leaving little common ground on the trade front.  Minnesota has been more recently linked to Dylan Cease’s market, and while prying Cease away from the Padres won’t be easy, his $13.75MM salary for just the 2025 season (Cease is a free agent next winter) is a better financial fit for the Twins’ books.

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  1. tom brunanskys black sock

    4 months ago

    When you put pizza on a bagel, you can have pizza anytime.

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    • davemlaw

      4 months ago

      I love pizza
      Let’s not forget, Castillo has a full no trade until next year. He probably doesn’t want to leave Seattle just yet, no state income tax in WA.

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      • SodoMojo90

        4 months ago

        WA makes up for it with a nearly 10% sales tax.

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        • davemlaw

          4 months ago

          3 hour drive to Portland, 0% sales tax

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        • TMQ

          4 months ago

          Lol litteraly anyone would prefer a 10% sales tax over a income tax. In fact the 2 choices aren’t even that close to each other.

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    • Enrico Pallazzo

      4 months ago

      Pizza in the mornin
      Pizza in the evenin
      Pizza at supper time

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      • Wire to wire 2024

        4 months ago

        You have the best name on this site

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        • KYLE LLEWELLYN

          4 months ago

          Gave proof thru the night, that we still had our flag

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  2. LordD99

    4 months ago

    Trending down as salary trends up.

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  3. El Niño

    4 months ago

    And Dylan Cease’s cost goes up.

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    • NYCityRiddler

      4 months ago

      Mariners Less Likely To Compete in 25. Ahahahahaha!

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      • muskie73

        4 months ago

        Seattle has swapped out Josh Rojas for Donovan Solano to essentially return the team that last year posted a Pythagorean record of 89-73.

        The Mariners hope bounceback seasons from Julio Rodriguez, J.P. Crawford, Randy Arozarena and Mitch Garver will offset potential regression from Victor Robles and the starting rotation.

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          Pythagorean record? I’ve never seen someone post the Pythagorean record of a past team. We all know they won 85 games, not 89. Why even mention it? Just Mariner fans looking for hope?

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        • muskie73

          4 months ago

          Feel free to read up on the Pythagorean record:

          mlb.com/glossary/advanced-stats/pythagorean-winnin…

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          No I get the idea, it’s just weird to use when we know the actual results.. “The concept strives to determine the number of games that a team *should* have won.”

          But we KNOW what they won. Why post out-dated projections? Seems very disingenuous. That Pythagorean you cite, was assuming things that ended up being wrong, ZIPS had Ty France projected for 2.0 WAR in 2024 (he had a -0.9 fWAR), Castillo for a 4.5 (he had a 2.3 fWAR). Using projections as evidence after the fact is weird.

          Bill James wasn’t as smart as you want him to be.

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        • muskie73

          4 months ago

          We all have the privilege of assigning appropriate weight to Bill James and to some anonymous dude on the internet.

          It’s never too late to learn.

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          Hahaha! Your logic is flawed, and that’s all you got. Have a good day.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 months ago

          No bro that’s not what Pythagorean record is. You’re conflating projections with stripping out luck. It’s what the record should have been, based on how many runs they really did allow, and how many runs they really did score. There is exactly zero projection included with the pythag record. All it does is strip out luck and sequencing. It’s a much more accurate look at the results of the past season because it shows that if the same season were played again, with the same players performing at the same level, how many games they would win on average with those same exact past results.

          The only way pythag misses is in the rare games where one team let’s a position player pitch and the score isn’t a realistic reflection of the players on the team. E.g. the 2 innings that Josh Rojas pitched, the 2 innings that Leo Rivas pitched, and then the position players that pitched against the Mariners.

          So it’s not infallible, but then no backward looking stat is, just like no forward looking projection is. Either way, you really should read up on what it is before you die on the projection hill, because it’s not what you’re saying it is, and it was most definitely relevant and used correctly by Muskie..

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          Forecast, estimate, should be, should have been. These are all projections. They mean nothing in the face of actual data. “Should have won” doesn’t trump “won.” It’s just a cherry-picking stats, in my opinion.

          Are we really making the claim that the M’s played well enough to make the playoffs last year, they were just unlucky? I would certainly disagree with that notion.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 months ago

          Brother, you’re still talking about something completely different. This conversation can’t proceed until we’re speaking the same language, and you’re just not using it or understanding it correctly.

          There is no cherry picking of stats, because there are no stats. It’s runs scored vs. runs allowed. It’s a simple calculus. You win games by scoring more runs than the other team. To suggest that there is no luck involved in winning a lot of 1-run games, or winning a lot of extra inning games with a ghost runner who starts on 2B, to quote your words just above, “Seems very disingenuous.”

          That’s not to say that there aren’t teams every year who get a little lucky with sequencing. Heck, every week there is a team that wins 2 out of 3 games in a series despite being significantly outscored in the series. Losing 10-1, 7-2, and then winning a game 1-0 on the back of a studly SP performance DOES happen. But it’s fluky, and not repeatable.

          The M’s last year were on the wrong side of that ledger by more than a typical amount. Based on their Pythagorean record, which is how many runs they scored vs. how many runs they gave up, which are the only two values that matter in winning or losing ball games, the M’s over the course of 162 games were a playoff caliber team, but one that was on the cusp, which is how teams in that position miss the playoffs as often as they do.

          But if you’re not going to bother to understand the concept, insisting to disagree with your own flavor of a different concept of cherry picking some stats and using projections which have no business anywhere near Pythagorean record, this conversation is literally one person speaking Greek and the other speaking pig Latin, and neither of us is ever going to be satisfied. So to quote you once again, “Have a good day.”

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      • rottenboyfriend

        4 months ago

        U R correct! The offence is pathetic!

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    • Mets Era Thumping Soto

      4 months ago

      Why is that? Most teams have their rosters set. Teams don’t pay more the longer you wait.

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      • El Niño

        4 months ago

        Supply and demand.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          4 months ago

          Demand is low.

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        • El Niño

          4 months ago

          There’s literally been articles everyday about the Mets, braves, cubs looking for starting pitching. There’s now 1 less option on the market. It’s basic economics.

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  4. Troy Percival's iPad

    4 months ago

    “Less likely” my brothers in Christ their asking price was too steep in October

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  5. This one belongs to the Reds

    4 months ago

    I wouldn’t deal Castillo if I were the Mariners either.

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    • GoGreen

      4 months ago

      Looks like pitching will be the strength of the M’s again in 2025, as it should be.

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      • stymeedone

        4 months ago

        While they play in that park, pitching will always be the strength and hitting will always be the weakness. They really need to make some park adjustments.

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          I say lean into the park factors. Sign pitchers looking to rebuild value, they are more likely to want to come to Seattle than hitters. Use your young pitching to trade for hitters, and use your ballpark to lure pitchers. Doing it the opposite way, like they have, has netted us poor results.

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        • BBB

          4 months ago

          Why, when they had the fourth highest home winning percentage in baseball last season?

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      • letitbelowenstein

        4 months ago

        Castillo is to the Mariners what Joe was to The Three Stooges. The least valuable and the most expendable. I can’t believe what Seattle (supposedly) wanted in return for him.

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        • johncal25

          4 months ago

          Ah yes Joe the stooge – he was no Shemp.

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      • muskie73

        4 months ago

        FanGraphs currently projects the Mariners seventh in the American League in overall 2025 WAR, including sixth in the league in position player WAR and seventh in pitching WAR.

        Because of the T-Mobile Park effect, the Seattle roster is more balanced than many casual fans believe.

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        • M’s is for maybe

          4 months ago

          Muskie with a real knowledgable comment. Fan is short for fanatic, which is so aptly named. Reason is rarely an attribute.

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        • hllywdjff

          4 months ago

          The game is not played on paper…

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          It’s really weird how much stock he’s putting into projections. Didn’t he watch last season where all the projections were wrong?

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        • Can we please get a DH?

          4 months ago

          The projections are weirdly low on Woo and Miller. They also give no credit to the bullpen which should have positive value again with the return of Brash and a healthy season from Santos.

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        • Chester Copperpot

          4 months ago

          The projections were not low on Woo or Miller. They just played way better than anyone expected. If someone would’ve projected the year Woo had, they would’ve been laughed out of the building.

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    • Salzilla

      4 months ago

      For Casas and Yoshida? I would have pressed the accept button instantly.

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      • Trashcan

        4 months ago

        Which is why you don’t work for an mlb front office

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  6. Simm

    4 months ago

    While it seems like the mariners maybe done adding to their infield. I do wonder if they would trade Castillo for Arraez.

    Saves them about 10m this year and nearly 50m for the two years afterwards. M’s probably want a more controlled player that is paid nothing. Perhaps the padres add a prospect or two that gives them that.

    While that would add payroll to the padres. If they do end up trading Cease and Arraez they would be shedding nearly 28m. Which is less than Castillo is owed per season.

    This would give the padres a replacement for Cease plus whatever they got back in the cease trade and save about 4m.

    At the same time increase the M’s spending from a reportedly 4m left to about 14m left.

    I don’t see this as a very likely option so I’m just throwing it out there.

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    • Joemo

      4 months ago

      If the Padres are trying to cut salary, why would they take on the extra money from Castillo …..

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      • Simm

        4 months ago

        The padres aren’t trying to cut salary. They are trying to sell and buy.

        This issue is can they add to the team without moving some payroll around.

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        • King Floch

          4 months ago

          The point of trading Arraez (or Cease) would be to free up money to fill several of the holes in their roster.

          Taking on a guy making almost double what Arraez is making does not accomplish that.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          They could easily fill holes with a cease trade.

          Trading for Castillo then fills another hole.

          They don’t have that many holes.

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        • Joemo

          4 months ago

          Simm – every single article on this site referencing resident cease or arraez mentions the Padres cutting salary.

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        • King Floch

          4 months ago

          The Padres’ biggest problem right now is that they have way too much money tied up on too few players.

          Adding Luis Castillo and his multiple remaining years of a $20+ million salary only exacerbates that problem.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Adding Castillo also solves the next few years of needing quality starting pitching.

          They can easily fit him into the budget the next few years.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          4 months ago

          @Joemo

          Padres have increased payroll by over $30M from ’24 payroll. Media is trying to push a narrative with their ownership in dispute. MLBTR has been summarizing these articles as they should.

          Wouldn’t they have done so already before most of the free agents have been signed by other teams? What is the advantage to waiting this long if the agenda is to trim payroll?

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        • King Floch

          4 months ago

          It would also likely put them right back in the same tough spot of having no available payroll space to fill holes again next offseason.

          If they trade Arraez or Cease, it will be for younger, cost controlled talent not more overpaid veterans. They already have plenty of those.

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        • ayrbhoy

          4 months ago

          Not to mention the fact that Padres Ownership is in flux with the death of Peter Seidler. His wife has also filed a lawsuit against PS’s brothers in laws accusing them of selling the trust’s interest at a low rate. Those free spending days may have come to an end

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Padres wouldn’t be in the same position next year.

          They have 55+ million coming off the books next year. Plus would have very few holes to fill. Especially with Musgrove returning next season. In addition they may have one or both of Salas and or DeVries as options.

          Pitching is the main concern for the padres long term.

          Once again I said this was unlikely. The more likely scenario are the padres trade a player or two then add a free agent or two.

          Also not too likely the padres trade Arraez because he doesn’t hold much if any trade value.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 months ago

          Simm
          They could easily fill holes with a cease trade.
          =========================
          I’m not sure that works in real life. You’ll trade one SP for some pieces. Then trade for a 2nd SP to fill a hole that you just created by trading the first SP.

          If it was that easy, everyone would do it. The NYY would trade away Schmidt and then trade for Castillo. The RS would do the same with Houck.

          I think you will eventually get back whatever value you give up.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 months ago

          Just like with the 24 RS, always follow the money. If the Padres haven’t spent any new money by now, they probably aren’t spending any new money.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Yes because those dudes are the same as cease.

          Also it wasn’t just trading cease but also Arraez.

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    • momTurphy

      4 months ago

      Padres wouldn’t want Castillos contract. Mariners wouldn’t want Arraez’s lack of speed and defensive position. Would be lose-lose

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      • Ma4170

        4 months ago

        Arraez isn’t that slow, not sure where that reputation came from. He’s basically middle of the pack in sprint speed, same as Bogaerts, who for some reason doesn’t get that reputation. He even stole 9 bases in 12 attempts, so he’s not this snail he’s made out to be on this message board.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          4 months ago

          30% percentile for a singles hitter is pretty slow. If he was say in the 60%-70% range enabling him to hit 40+ doubles a year, that makes him a much different profile hitter and more valuable player obviously.

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        • JackStrawb

          4 months ago

          Arraez is indeed slow, and incredibly slow in MLB for his age. 26.7 fps. Pointing to a les s than break even SB rate doesn’t help make his case.

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      • ayrbhoy

        4 months ago

        Exactly! Arreaz is a terrible INF defender. The M’s can’t afford to make their INF Defense worse. Luke Raley is still learning 1B and Polanco at 3B is a downgrade from Rojas excellent work at 3B last yr. Besides the M’s are a better team by keeping L Castillo

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      • BITA

        4 months ago

        Arraez could fit right in with the Mariners. But the Padres won’t take zcastillos contract. If they had that kind of money they would extend King.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Once again they would have to trade cease and Arraez. That’s where they get that kind of
          Money.

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        • BITA

          4 months ago

          But they need the savings to round out the rest of the roster. Trading Cease and Arraez creates 2 nee holes on the roster.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Yes it does that’s why I suggested they could look at Castillo to fill one of those along with filling others via a cease trade.

          May even love Suarez to free up some
          More dollars.

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        • BITA

          4 months ago

          The Padres do not make sense for Castillo. David Peterson of the Mets makes sense. He’s a lefty and has upside like King did last year. He makes sense not Castillo.

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    • stymeedone

      4 months ago

      The Padres would have to cut payroll to where they can afford to add Castillo, first. No one will make them a fair offer if they were to go over their much publicized spending level first.

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      • Simm

        4 months ago

        Hence I said them trading Arraez and cease. That’s cutting payroll by 28m. Castillo is a little over 24m.

        Padres also have even more money coming off the books next year. So they could afford Castillo salary beyond this year.

        The latest article about padres payroll stated that it’s now viewed that padres will have a payroll around where it is now. If they are going to acquire anyone being paid more then a little they will need to sell to be able to buy.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 months ago

          Jesus brother. You say you’re just throwing it out, but then relentlessly shoot down the abundance of objective rationale provided explaining why it’s a ridiculous, unrealistic idea that would never be considered by either party. If they force a trade of a cheaper and better ace and their 1B who they don’t have a replacement for outside of Mike Brosseau, for no other reason than to facilitate your bad trade idea, they can acquire a middle of the rotation starter being paid #2 money in his decline phase, and then just go ahead and leave Tirso Ornelas in LF, Eguy Rosario as their DH, and go ahead and roll with Mike Brosseau as their 1Bmen.

          It’s one of the worst ideas I’ve ever read on this site, and that’s ok when you’re just throwing something out there. But the fact that you’re steamrolling all of the logical and accurate commentary in the name of pretending to want to have rational discourse on the topic makes me want to run face first into a wall. And never want to meet or talk to you about anything in any capacity.

          You’re that guy. Just so you know. Stop peddling this absurd hypothetical with infinite moving parts that has no possible outcome but to make the Padres much worse and leave their fans and every other front office scratching their head as Preller becomes the least wanted man in all of baseball, behind Trevor Bauer. It was a bad idea, you’ve been told why, and doubling down on redundant lateral moves does nothing to change that. FFS please try listening for once in your damn life.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Calm down, you are all rattled by a suggested idea. Defending the idea has all to do with opinions.

          You can relax and skip reading it if you don’t like it.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 months ago

          You’re single-handedly destroying MLBTR reader credibility, and you’re telling me to calm down lol. Put down your copy of 2023 The Show and maybe think of joining us in the real world instead of spamming the comment section to prove to everyone that MLBTR is a site where mainstream fans come to mentally masturbate over ideas that the average tee ball player could tell you isn’t worth spending time talking about. Jackass.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 months ago

          I will happily mute you now though.

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        • Simm

          4 months ago

          Spamming? Replying to people replying to me. It’s called a conversation.

          One that you seem to want to chime into but to only be rude.

          When it comes to the type of people there are on this site. You definitely don’t represent the better half. Take your attempt to bully someone’s opinion elsewhere.

          Can hate on the trade idea all you want. Happens on here 24/7. Your attempt to insult is just making you look like a person who needs to grow up.

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        • SodoMojo90

          4 months ago

          You’re just going to die on that hill aren’t you? Just give it up.

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        • SodoMojo90

          4 months ago

          No one‘s rattled by a single idea. They’re annoyed with your continual suggestion of something that will never happen. The Padres clearly wouldn’t be interested adding him since they want to cut payroll. They don’t want to cut payroll and then add it back with a multi year contract. You say trade Arraez and Cease and then add back Castillo. That doesn’t cut any payroll. That’s just replacing something with something else. It doesn’t accomplish their goal.

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  7. cwsOverhaul

    4 months ago

    There are at least a dozen teams that would like to shed 1 or 2 overpriced veterans to reallocate money elsewhere. It’s like talking in circles. Decent prospects hoarding is at its peak the last 2 offseasons/trade deadline other than Crochet trade……but if someone really wants to dump money-part with an upper tier prospect.

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  8. sillywabbit

    4 months ago

    The free agent starting pitching market this winter has shown Castillo’s contract has some plus value. ALL prices have went up. Good on Dipoto on standing pat rather than making a meh trade. Seattle doesn’t have much depth beyond the top 5 so this is likely wise. The no trade clause expires after this year so expect a trade once they draft a college pitcher #3.Jerry knows when to hold’em when the offers are light.

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    • JackStrawb

      4 months ago

      @sillywabbit It hasn’t done so. Castillo put up 2.3 fWAR and 1.8 bWAR in 2024. He’s in obvious decline and is turning 32, the age at which decline typically accelerates.

      There’s an excellent chance he’s not worth his contract for 2025-2027, even at the new prices for SP, and the vesting option for 2028 does an acquiring team no favors. That Seattle’s park gives Castillo a real boost has not been missed by interested clubs.

      Also, no one’s so desperate to take on $72.45m for a pitcher putting up just a 101 ERA+ (M’s park, again) that they’d give up a significant prospect.

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  9. King Floch

    4 months ago

    I really wanted the Orioles to trade for Castillo but I’m also not terribly upset that it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen now. He would have been replacing Kremer in the rotation and there was only a 9 point difference in ERA+ between the two in 2024, and while I do expect Castillo to bounce back from his almost exactly league average performance from last year, his age says that he may not and that he might simply be more of an overpaid mid rotation guy moving forward.

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  10. I hate cooperhill

    4 months ago

    I hate “cooperhill”

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  11. SODOMOJO

    4 months ago

    I really thought we’d get something done for Yoshida or Casas and a sweetener. It makes too much sense, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      4 months ago

      lol at “Yoshida OR Casas”

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      • SODOMOJO

        4 months ago

        Do you perceive one’s value to be THAT superior to the other? Is it Casas, and is it simply because he is younger with cheaper control?

        This is how we use our words and create functional discussion! We’re here to talk ball, right?

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      • M’s is for maybe

        4 months ago

        Honestly neither interested me. I’d rather keep the rock.

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      • SODOMOJO

        4 months ago

        I love watching Rock pitch and he will be missed if he does get dealt. Happy that it’s looking like we’re going to keep him. But at this point I’m so starved for a bat with some exciting upside that I might trade my future first born to get it done. If we’re gonna deal any of our arms, it should probably be him.
        But I don’t blame you for preferring Rock over those two at all. Neither are sure things, there’s blemishes on both of them.

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      • M’s is for maybe

        4 months ago

        Exactly. One a weak DH only bat, the other a weak defensive player who strikes out at an extremely high rate. Sure, Casas has some potential-to go either way.

        Castillo is a known, and at what pitching goes for these days: a bargain.

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      • SODOMOJO

        4 months ago

        I do think Macho Man has a “breakout” offensive season in him somewhere if he gets a bit more aggressive. But also, one of the things that I liked about him for the M’s is that he doesn’t strike out very often.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        4 months ago

        Castillo going back to a hitter’s park has more risk than either Casas or Yoshida. Casas had a freak injury (name another) and will take in any ballpark. Yoshida is coming back from N injury but also is an MLB hitter. The issues are Casas’ glove and Yoshida’s lack of one. Given there is no surplus value in Castillo who is being paid as a #2, the Sox could have just tried to sign Eovaldi who has more upside (pitched in Boston and playoff built). Thus, the reason for financial relief in the form of Yoshida. It probably would have been more involved had they gotten closer.

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      • Chester Copperpot

        4 months ago

        “I’m so starved for a bat with some exciting upside.”
        Neither Yoshida nor Mountcastle fit this description. Casas does, but he’s not a big enough improvement over Raley at 1B to trade a top end starter. It would make Raley’s roster spot redundant, and in the end you subtracted a great pitcher for a marginal improvement at first base. None of that really helps the M’s.

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      • SODOMOJO

        4 months ago

        I disagree with your assessment on Yoshida. He has great discipline at the plate, hits for contact and does not strike out. These are qualities that the Mariners are sorely missing, and I also believe that he’s capable of a bit more pop. His acquisition would provide Luke Raley with the opportunity to get most of the reps at first base while Yoshida could focus on hitting in the DH spot every single day. There would have been plenty of upside with a Yoshida acquisition.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        4 months ago

        T-Mobile park is a pitcher friendly park so Casas or Yoshida would take on the same risk as Castillo.

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      • Can we please get a DH?

        4 months ago

        Casas and Raley fit seamlessly on the team. It just moves Raley to OF/DH/1B flex with the best lineup being Randy LF, Raley 1B and Casas DH.

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      • Chester Copperpot

        4 months ago

        DH ABs will go to Garver and Haniger. The M’s will not eat their salaries. We have to live in reality. Yoshida doesn’t fit on the roster, especially at that price.

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      • Can we please get a DH?

        4 months ago

        And that reality is what will cost us a playoff spot as they will combine for negative WAR at DH again.

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      • SodoMojo90

        4 months ago

        I guess it’s time for you to jump ship then and start rooting for a different team since the season is already over according to you.

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      • JoeBrady

        4 months ago

        M’s is for maybe
        the other a weak defensive player who strikes out at an extremely high rate.
        =======================
        Given the difference in salaries, it is close to getting Casas + Bregman for Castillo. Maybe you kick in $3-4M. You’d have been much better trying to make the trade, and adding a non-premium prospect.

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      • M’s is for maybe

        4 months ago

        Ha! Bregman isn’t coming here in a Mariners uniform.

        Casas reminds me of a young Logan Morrison.

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      • JoeBrady

        4 months ago

        And that reality is what will cost us a playoff spot
        =========================
        Yup, they need bats more than their #5 SP.

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      • M’s is for maybe

        4 months ago

        That’s like, your opinion man.

        I say they need bats, but not at the expense of their starting staff. Other ways to do it, and pitching as a strength is a luxury many don’t.

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      • Can we please get a DH?

        4 months ago

        I’ve been a fan since I can remember (2002), so I can handle another season where I’m praying for a miracle or other teams to collapse. Maybe one day I’ll see a 92 win team, let alone an ALCS appearance. However, no DH production has been a key factor holding the team back over the past 4 years and they haven’t gotten over the hump and this year is looking no different.

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  12. algionfriddo

    4 months ago

    Polanco will likely improve offensively in 2025. But, he DOES NOT have the arm to play 3b… bottom 8% on Statcast. His range at 2nd was awful in 2024… bottom 2%. A healthy knee may help a bit but unlikely. If he hits, maybe 1b. Sign Yoan Mocada to a 1 year incentive laden contract to play 3b.

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  13. TridentsUp!

    4 months ago

    Jude really knows how to post inflammatory tweets then fade back into the bushes like Homer Simpson. He did it with his cryptic “Mariners saved 8 million so that doubles their available money” tweet. Now the ‘signing of Polanco puts an end to the Mariners moves this offseason’ one.

    Really wish he would back these gasoline infused tweets but never does. Just posts and runs away.

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    • M’s is for maybe

      4 months ago

      Rage bait gets clicks, which gets him paid. Welcome to 2025 “journalism”

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    • Chester Copperpot

      4 months ago

      They’re not inflammatory tweets, they are inflammatory moves made by the franchise we all love. Sell the team already!

      The Mariners make season ticket holders put a deposit down for the following season at the beginning of October, before the offseason has even started. This is the last time I’m buying tickets. These past 3 off-seasons have been pathetic. It’s not the fans fault you are losing money in your poor business dealings elsewhere (Pyramid/ROOT). For all the crap owners the M’s have had since its inception, John Stanton may be the worst. He makes the Howard Lincoln corporate days seem like a drunken free-spending jubilee!! I mean, he turned the stadium pink for a couple bucks from T-Mobile! I’ve heard of people buying naming rights, but apparently Stanton sold the color scheme as well. He will sell out the entire city if it means a profit.

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  14. R.D.

    4 months ago

    if the M’s turned down 10 years of Casas+Yoshida for 2 years of Castillo then they don’t want to get better. That’s a great deal.

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    • TridentsUp!

      4 months ago

      Its 4 of Casas and 3 of Yoshida. But Yoshida was almost making the same as Castillo and is not worth the money at all since he’s a DH only type bat. If Yoshida was a league average 2nd or 3rd baseman, I think the Mariners would have pounced on it. Plus then you would have had to go out and sign a pitcher to replace Castillo with the salary swap almost being a wash, the Ms wouldn’t have the money to do that.

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      • M’s is for maybe

        4 months ago

        Not to mention that a two for one means someone else on your roster has to go. Subtraction by addition.

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    • M’s is for maybe

      4 months ago

      Disagree. Not a great deal.

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    • momTurphy

      4 months ago

      If Yoshida was a positive somebody would take him. Casas for Castillo straight up is a much different deal.

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  15. Salzilla

    4 months ago

    If I were the M’s I would have made the move for Casas and Yoshida for Castillo in a heartbeat.

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  16. ripperlv

    4 months ago

    It’s time for all Mariner fans to boycott ticket and merchandise sales. Time for protest folks !!!!!

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    • momTurphy

      4 months ago

      Boycott them because the Twins asked about Luis Castillo out of due diligence!!!!!!!

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  17. deepseamonster32

    4 months ago

    The Twins should call back and make a bigly offer for Luis Castillo and Luis F. Castillo, then market them as twins to unsuspecting fans.

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    • King Floch

      4 months ago

      1 million IQ 4D chess right here.

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  18. lafitteslanding

    4 months ago

    The Mariners seem to be banking on two things. First that their star laden starting rotation stays healthy and lives up to expectations and that Julio Rodriguez has a borderline MVP season. If that occurs, they are likely to win the west. If Julio plays like he did in 24 (solid but not MVP level) and/jor they lose one or more pitchers to injury, going to be another long season in the Pacific Northwest.

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    • momTurphy

      4 months ago

      Jean, Pierre, and Claiborne all get it. Julio needs to improve an OPS of .600 against good teams. The rotations health isn’t as big of a concern this year as it was last year (Hancock, Evans, Garcia are all ready). And debuts from Ben Williamson, Cole Young, Harry Ford, and possibly Michael Arroyo are all on tap. Plus Tyler Locklear has had a chance to make some adjustments. The improvements are intended to come from within and at the trade deadline where the money you spend is basically worth double.

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      • BigRedMachine

        4 months ago

        Such a great point momturphy, all of these teams unwilling to trade current MLB players for prospects because they want to “Wait and See” what kind of start their season gets off to and if they are in the playoff mix will be moving players in July that will help the Mariners, if the Mariners are in a place to strengthen their team to make a post season run at that point. I so hope so. Would love for the M’s to get off to a great start and then make 2-3 trades in July that not only make them a really good team in 2025 and allow them to make a deep run but also have an impact in future years….

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  19. danumd87 2

    4 months ago

    Seriously. The Mountcastle & Kremer framework made too much sense for both teams so of course it didn’t happen

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  20. Goose

    4 months ago

    IF the reports were true the Mariners wanted people to take the full contract AND get serious value back. As we have seen the last few years, unless the player is a Ohtani or Soto, there are not a lot of people throwing up insane money for the really good B+ players.

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  21. Chester Copperpot

    4 months ago

    Mountcastle for Castillo would have been a horrific return for a top end starting pitcher. The Mariners are stupid, but not that stupid.

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    • BITA

      4 months ago

      Castillos is paid a lot which takes away his value. Mountcastle and Kremer or Rogers would have been plenty fair.

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      • Chester Copperpot

        4 months ago

        Hence, no trade was made. Mountcastle doesn’t improve the M’s. If you can’t see that, we don’t need to discuss it further… which is probably how the trade discussions went.

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      • SODOMOJO

        4 months ago

        “Mountcastle doesn’t improve the M’s”
        I feel that you too often use hyperbole in an effort to prove your point. In a vacuum, sure Mountcastle could improve the M’s. Is it the return that I would want for Castillo? No. That Jerry and Justin wanted for Castillo? Obviously not.
        But it would be much better for the discussion if you could stay away from being so over assertive and confrontational all the time. “If you can’t see that, we don’t need to discuss it further.”
        As if, this person doesn’t meet your criteria of intelligence needed to have a discussion with you?
        This is a consistent pattern with you and it’s unfortunate, because I believe you to be a fine contributor with very decent baseball talk when you’re not trying to “win” every freaking discussion you get into.

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      • Can we please get a DH?

        4 months ago

        The framework isn’t simply Castillo for Mountcastle though as it would give the Mariners an additional $15M to spend. Therefore, the better question is would Mountcastle + Scherzer have been better than Castillo + Locklear which is relatively close in my books (and as a tie breaker, I’d be happy to not have Castillo’s long term money on the books anymore in case of injury or further decline).

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      • BITA

        4 months ago

        The idea is you trade Castillo and then spend some of the savings for better infielders instead of Polanco and Solano.

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      • rottenboyfriend

        4 months ago

        Trading Castillo was a salary dump for the Mariners with a 155M payroll budget! Hanager and Garver making 30M combined is on Jerry as neither one has done much as a Mariner. With todays salary structure it’s almost impossible to field a winning team for less than $180M-$200M!

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    • JoeBrady

      4 months ago

      Castillo is not top-end. He had a 1.8 bWAR, a 101 ERA+, and a 4.25 road ERA. For comparison purposes, Houck had a 3.5 bWAR, a 137 ERA+, and a 2.89 road ERA.

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  22. JoeBrady

    4 months ago

    I wonder where the Mariner fans are now that thought they were going to clear the table in a Castillo trade?

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    • BigRedMachine

      4 months ago

      I personally never thought that we were ‘going to clear the table” by trading L Castillo. I just though that we would get a key missing bat at 1b, 2b, or 3b. I am fine that we still have a very reliable and durable SP in Castillo. It has unfortunately been a pretty “sad” off season as far as adding needed bats to our line-up but I hope it is not over and they are able to make a trade to get one more bat at least. I have a feeling they are still going to sign Justin Turner and use him at 1b/DH.

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  23. hoof hearted

    4 months ago

    Compaired to some recent contracts, Castillo’s contract value is not that bad.Kuckuchi got $25m/yr-wow. Luis has a track record of performance. Mounty’s performance has trended down lasts 3 years. Yoshi is a contact hitter, not much power. He’s been grumbling about not playing in the OF(cuz of his D), so coming to Sea and being fulltime DH probably not gonna make him happy.

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    • dbdmack

      4 months ago

      Agree his contract is fine in given market, but you may want to look up kukuchi’s second half last season. He was lights out.

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  24. bearproof

    4 months ago

    Are they willing to trade John Stanton?

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  25. bearproof

    4 months ago

    as long as they win .540 of their games is all I care about

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  26. Gaétan Bamphous

    4 months ago

    They waited too long..

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  27. Stevil

    4 months ago

    One of the reasons it’s been hard for teams like Seattle to makes trades is because teams know their odds of getting into the playoffs are much better with the third wild card. We’re not seeing teams tanking like we used to.

    Teams do want to win and that doesn’t make things any easier for the Dodgers. Getting through 14 other teams just to get to the World Series isn’t an easy task. San Diego is still loaded with talent. Arizona and San Francisco keep adding. That’s just within the division.

    Houston has done more than you give them credit for. Bringing in right-handed power hitters with better health records most certainly isn’t going to hurt their chances. You should take a good look at park factors and hitter’s profiles. The Astros are dangerous.

    I really couldn’t disagree with you more. But I’d be happy to take you up on a bet against the Dodgers winning the next 9 World Series.

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    • BigRedMachine

      4 months ago

      Gonna have to disagree with you on this one, Stevil. We shall see and we can check back in around June but, though C. Walker is a vast improvement at 1b for the Astros, Parades is no Alex Bregman at the plate or with the glove and that outfield without Tucker looks pretty darn bad. I would say that there bullpen is not as strong as last year as well at the moment. I am a hopeful Mariners homer but I don’t think the Astros are as strong as last year.

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      • Stevil

        4 months ago

        The Astros are still the strongest team in the division. That’s the point.

        Nobody should sleep on Houston.

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      • BigRedMachine

        4 months ago

        Not sleeping. Just not seeing.

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      • Stevil

        4 months ago

        We’ll, consider taking a peak at the projections.

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  28. PrincessYuki

    4 months ago

    The Mariners starting rotation turns the Mariners into World Series contenders.

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  29. cdouglas24000

    4 months ago

    Castillo for 3B/2b Castro seems like the best fit. Twins got way too many infield players scrapping for time and they have no good pitchers outside the 1st 3 in rotation. Make it happen dipito

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