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Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Sought $500MM Net Present Value In Extension Talks

By Anthony Franco | March 11, 2025 at 11:59pm CDT

Last week, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. told ESPN that his asking price in extension negotiations with the Blue Jays was south of $600MM. The star first baseman didn’t publicly identify his exact demand, though he noted he was looking for a 14-plus year deal.

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic provides more specifics, reporting that Guerrero wanted a net present value of $500MM to bypass testing the open market. That could have taken the form of an even $500MM+ without deferrals or a deferred deal with a loftier overall guarantee that would still have pushed the NPV to half a billion dollars. A hypothetical 14-year extension worth $500MM would come with an approximate $35.7MM annual value and would run through Guerrero’s age-39 season (assuming it began this year).

The deferrals were evidently a sticking point. Jon Heyman and Joel Sherman of The New York Post report that Toronto offered a deal that was in the $500MM range overall but included deferred money. According to that report, the NPV would have landed between $400MM and $450MM. Shi Davidi of Sportsnet writes that the NPV on the team’s offer was close to $450MM, suggesting they came in at the higher end of the range initially reported by The New York Post.

That would still have represented the third-largest guarantee in league history. Juan Soto easily holds the record at $765MM without deferrals. The Shohei Ohtani deal is respectively valued around $461MM and $438MM by the league and Players Association, respectively. Guerrero sought a number that would have placed him behind only Soto in net present value. His reported asking price was nowhere near Soto money, which so handily shattered prior precedent that it may be an outlier for a while. Still, it seemingly landed upwards of $50MM higher (in NPV terms) than the Jays were willing to go. Guerrero indicated he wasn’t interested in continuing negotiations beyond the opening of Spring Training. He has left the door open to reconsidering but said at the start of camp that he anticipates testing free agency.

The Jays have at least expressed a willingness to stretch the budget beyond Guerrero’s asking price for star players. They were seemingly willing to match the contract that Ohtani accepted from the Dodgers. Their precise offer to Soto isn’t clear but is believed to have been between $600MM and $700MM. That shows they’re not entirely averse to this kind of signing, yet it’s also a fact that the largest contract in franchise history remains the comparatively modest $150MM George Springer deal.

Toronto’s latest offer represents a significant jump from where they opened talks. Guerrero said over the offseason that the Jays’ offers before the Soto bidding were in the $340MM range. While the Soto price point didn’t make them willing to write a blank check for Guerrero, it seemingly contributed to them going $60MM+ above where they had been in terms of present value.

Guerrero is a career .288/.363/.500 hitter. He’s coming off his second-best season, as he raked at a .323/.396/.544 clip with 30 homers a year ago. At his best, he looks like one of the top five hitters in the game. He hasn’t quite maintained that level on an annual basis, though. He finished among the top six in MVP balloting in 2021 (finishing runner-up that year) and ’24. In the intervening two seasons, he hit .269/.341/.462 across nearly 1400 plate appearances. That’s still very good but not the kind of overwhelming numbers that’d force teams to essentially overlook questions about his defensive profile.

Assuming he gets to the market, Guerrero is likely to be the top free agent in the class. Kyle Tucker is arguably a better overall player, but the Cubs outfielder will hit free agency at age 29. Guerrero will get to the market at 27. The two-year age gap gives Guerrero the better chance to land a deal that stretches beyond a decade despite teams’ general reluctance to make extremely long commitments to first basemen.

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  1. JaysSinceBirth

    3 months ago

    If Vladdy said no to $500M offer even with some deferrals, this isn’t on the front office anymore for not signing him. This is on him.

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    • Airo13

      3 months ago

      Of course it’s on him…he knows another team will pay him more than the Blue Jays offered and he doesn’t have to pay as much Canadian tax.

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      • NYCityRiddler

        3 months ago

        Pete Alonso is on line 1. Ahahahahahaha!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          NYC – I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets and Jays swapped first basemen after this season!

          This is my favorite part of the article:

          “He has left the door open to reconsidering but said at the start of camp that he anticipates testing free agency”

          Translation: “If he’s having another season like 2023, ONLY THEN will he reconsider negotiating during the season”.

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        • NYCityRiddler

          3 months ago

          Fever-Obviously he’s betting on himself, maybe he kills in 25 but I still think this has albatross written all over it, sooner rather than later.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          NYC – Yeah Prince Fielder was done at 32 and Cecil Fielder was done at 34 and Panda was done at 34.

          I think it’s 50/50 that he’ll still be playing and productive 7 years from now.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 months ago

          This will be a great test to see how Soto’s deal effects other contracts. There is no way I pay VG to age 39 unless the deal is such that it recognizes a production reduction as he aged.

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        • Drasco0366

          3 months ago

          Prince Fielder- fat
          Cecil Fielder- fat
          Panda- fat
          Vlad Jr.- not fat

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          Drasco – I followed all three former players closely, I’ll use just one as an example.

          Panda lost 37 pounds in 2010, going from 275 down to 238.

          Over time Panda in 2016 was back up to 275, he then lost 35 pounds by 2017 ST.

          It is very, very common for people, especially younger people in their early to mid 20”s, to lose a lot of weight and get into much better conditioning ….. only to gain it all back a few years later.

          Vlad was only 21 when he lost 42 pounds heading into 2021 Spring Training.. Metabolism is very fast at that young age.

          Can he stay in good shape for the next 14 years? It’s possible, but the odds are against him …. especially after he lands a 14-year mega-contract that would take away much incentive to stay in great shape.

          It would be very easy for him to think “Ah who cares if I gain a few pounds, I’m already set for life”.

          Time will tell.

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        • Drasco0366

          3 months ago

          None of those are even relatively good comps though.
          Panda “cut” from 275 to 238, Vlad cut 245 to 210. Panda and Fielder are both 3-4 inches shorter than Vlad and significantly heavier. Fielder also had a medical condition.
          Big daddy Fielder played in the steroid era and also was 275 pounds.
          A better comp would be Papi but since he doesn’t support your narrative then you choose to ignore him. Also Devers is very similar to Vlad.

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        • Idosteroids

          3 months ago

          Hes pretty thicc

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          Drasco – Ortiz wasn’t a primary 1B after Age 22! LOLOL!!

          And he was 6’3″ 230 …. never got close to Vladdy’s 287 pounds …. and Vladdy is even shorter than Ortiz!!! LOLOL!!

          Devers is on the same path to obesity but he was never close to Vladdy’s weight either.

          So the only thing you “proved” is you’re a Sox hater ;O)

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        • LaFleur

          3 months ago

          And Javier Baez was done at 29

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      • bigdaddyt

        3 months ago

        It’s cute that people still think this is a issue and that these guys don’t have accountants who are knowledgeable to help keep them taxes down

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          big – It’s also cute that people don’t realize he’s getting paid in US currency which is worth 44% more than Canadian currency.

          Which means his $500M NPV contract would be worth $720M where he lives.

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        • hiflew

          3 months ago

          Is that $720M before of after tariffs?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          Hiflew – Canada will be charging the 29 US MLB teams a 25% tariff on the electricity Vlad provides with his bat.

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @bigdaddy Look up McCutchen paycheck. A check stuck of his once found it’s way online inadvertently. It’s insane the amount of taxes these guys pay. There is not much accountants can do either. They are so far above threshold of highest tax bracket. And unlike businesses they don’t have depreciating assets or capital expenditures to reduce taxable income.

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        • Brian B

          3 months ago

          Deductions _are not_ the same as paying.

          The tax dance comes on the year-end filing, not paycheck.

          Oh, and always keep in mind, Vlad II would pay Canadian taxes on 81 games..the other games he pays income tax as stated for the city the game is played in.

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        • Hawkeye75

          3 months ago

          Yes, he’s paid in US dollars, but he still pays Canadian taxes. He also has to pay taxes in the US when he plays on the road…and US state taxes when he plays on the road in states with a state income tax….when he plays in New York, for those days he’s also paying city income taxes.

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        • Hawkeye75

          3 months ago

          The “jock tax” really needles the players

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    • thebirds

      3 months ago

      Did you read the article? HE was asking just over 500 million for 14 years. That mean you lock him up at 37.5 million a year for his entire career and that’s peanuts when he’s at the end of the deal. Heck it’s peanuts now. That’s a no brainer for a team that’s being shot down left and right by super stars Otani & Soto. Toronto needs to sign that man.

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      • letsgooakland123

        3 months ago

        End of the year is when it’s not peanuts. You’d be paying 37.5 for a defensively limited 39 year old DH on a 14 year.

        37.5 at ten years? Then yes. 12? Maybe. Not 14

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @letsgo That 37.5M would have provided not just his contributions in the field. Vlad Jr entered league with valuable name recognition and further bolstered that value.

          Whether we like to admit it or not MLB is a business built upon a sport. Half of these megadeals are about the business aspect.

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        • Rww59

          3 months ago

          Inflation would disagree.Also structure matters.
          42.5/7 years 28.5/last 7 years

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      • letitbelowenstein

        3 months ago

        Except that by 2028, he’ll weigh 289 pounds and be strictly a DH.

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        • cash3w

          3 months ago

          I’m not a Vladdy Jr. fan or even Blue Jays fan, but he’s trimmed down and looks in much better shape than before. Look at Bartolo Colon. Dude was like rubber and all blubber, even going back to David Ortiz and general DH—limited injuries. Again, as long as he doesn’t balloon, he’ll be a decent 1B and DH with big pop down the line. It’s not my money, but I think the Blue Jays need to overpay to convince other legit elite free agents to see how they’re part of a championship strategy.

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        • Brian B

          3 months ago

          Bartolo could field his position up to his last day. Vlad II can’t even get to a -neutral- level of UZR performance today, much less in five, ten, fourteen years.

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      • 5toolplayer

        3 months ago

        Give.the man. Hissss.money!

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      • brickhaus

        3 months ago

        Dude, Vladdy Jr. is barely worth $37.5M now, much less when he’s 39. He’s the type of hitter who ages poorly as well.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 months ago

          He’s a 4 win player, on average, who offers a very erratic return.

          He’s essentially Rafael Devers, a hair better but Vlad can’t even fake 3B any more.

          Does anyone think the Red Sox are thrilled with Devers’ contract?

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      • Prospectnvstr

        3 months ago

        $500,000,000.00 is NOT “peanuts”. In fact, neither is $37,000,000.00 for that matter. I don’t care how much of a philanthropist he may or may not be,HALF OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS for one person in the sports/entertainment industry is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY RIDICULOUS.

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @Prospect $500M for one person is inconceivable not ridiculous. With the revenue pro sports generate, profit they bring in, industry they bolster, and value of franchises they help prop up they are very realistic in terms of pro sports/entertainment economics.

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        • Steinbrenner2728

          3 months ago

          @Prospectnvstr, I know, it’s ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY RIDICULOUS that team owners can be worth BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for just themselves.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          3 months ago

          Prospect – Tom Brady has a $375M contract with Fox Sports just to TALK about football.

          Howard Stern is getting paid HALF A BILLION OVER 5 YEARS just to TALK about B.S.

          Entertainment/sports is lucrative,as long as people are willing to watch/listen to entertainers/athletes.

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      • DarrenDreifortsContract

        3 months ago

        You would be fired after a year of being a GM lol.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      3 months ago

      Still the jays fault for letting the market develop like that before signing him.

      No one is surprised by what Ohtani and Soto got

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    • LordD99

      3 months ago

      I don’t see a market for him at $500MM. The game simply doesn’t value 1B’man at anywhere near that dollar level. Soto got his crazy deal because both NY teams were bidding, hence the present day value went from $460MM for Ohtani to what will eventually be over $800MM for Soto. Not sure he even gets $400MM.

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      • Tigers3232

        3 months ago

        @Lord Vlad Jr has huge name recognition that he acquired at birth and further bolstered. Ohtani’s deal likely would have been much more than the present day value of $460M had he not hurt his throwing arm. Dodgers also had a decent bit of leverage compared to typical free agents, Dodgers location and market help bolster Ohtani the brand which has been generating record #s for a MLB player. I’d say that brand is likely a huge part of why they pushed the deferrals and the inflated value that is still mentioned a ton. It further solidified and fueled his name and his brand and continues doing so.

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    • VegasMoved

      3 months ago

      It’s on the front office for not trading him.

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    • ThatsIT?

      3 months ago

      He’s going to regret not signing that deal.

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  2. sacko

    3 months ago

    Pay the man

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    • rocky7

      3 months ago

      Send your check now….

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    • NYCityRiddler

      3 months ago

      If yo pay the man you’re not gonna enough dough to pay the Blob. Ahahahahahaha!

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    • ThatsIT?

      3 months ago

      Signing players to blank cheques is a good way to never win anything and end up with a fat loaf at 1b

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  3. mazbilleroski

    3 months ago

    No one worth that kind of money.
    And 14 year? Please.

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    • oscar gamble

      3 months ago

      Years don’t matter. It’s total amount of the contract that matters.

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      • JackStrawb

        3 months ago

        Of course years matter. It can make a bad contract a good one if the NPV total is the same.

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    • Miken31

      3 months ago

      mazbilleroski:

      I never understand this kind of comment. Isn’t a person worth with someone’s willing to pay them? If he’s not worth this, what is he worth? $500 million is not OK but $300 million is? Is $100 million OK? I mean, these values are all subjective.

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      • Moonlight Graham

        3 months ago

        Exactly. His worth/value is whatever someone is willing to pay him in order to employ him to entertain us. If it makes financial sense, then he’s worth it.

        It’s absurd that guys swinging pieces of wood can make this much, but we can’t stop watching them swing pieces of wood.

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        • ThatsIT?

          3 months ago

          That’s not at all how these Ivy League gms look at it. Surplus value you’ll hear about lot. These Ivy League gms have seen the trends. Couple years ago it was many years in a row where not a single team that won had a player making top 20 salary. Paying the top of the market on a limited guy like vladdy I can guarantee many of those Ivy League gms are going to shy away from.

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @ThatsIT Most of those those Ivy League GMs you mentioned have business degrees. And unlike the one team that ultimately wins the World Series, every team is generating revenue and helping bolster the billion dollar values of these franchises. That value that can And likely is leveraged by every single team to further generate capital while providing a ton of opportunity to limit tax liabilities.

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      • JackStrawb

        3 months ago

        That’s clearly not the case. If you pay $100 million for a flea-ridden doormat, you’ve wildly overpaid.

        The ratty Welcome mat didn’t suddenly acquire some magical property just because someone was foolish enough to surrender a fortune for it.

        Value is much, much more driven by consensus than by what a buyer in extremis will pay.

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        • Tigers3232

          3 months ago

          @Jack This is at least the 5th article now that I have to point out to you that MLB is a business when you are critical of financials mentioned.

          These teams and MLB had record revenue in 2024 and franchises continue to climb to new record highs. All this is done while teams are generating profit off these franchises worth over a billion. That value is then able to be leverage to generate yet more capital with Little tax burden. Think Jeff Bezos and Amazon. Bezos does not profit or receive an income hence Amazon has had multiple years with no taxable profit. The $ is reinvested in his business of which he borrows against paying interest that is a fraction of what he’d pay in taxes on profit and income.

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        • Miken31

          3 months ago

          My point is people talking about how something is or isn’t worth something. That’s always a matter of personal opinion. Value is always in the eye of the beholder. Prices are always subjective and made up and what people are willing to pay.

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  4. swinging wood

    3 months ago

    Respectfully, this sentence may have too many respectively’s.

    “The Shohei Ohtani deal is respectively valued around $461MM and $438MM by the league and Players Association, respectively.”

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    • bwmiller79

      3 months ago

      I think the point your trying to make is that Vlad Jr. isn’t going to get 500M NPV. Ohtani brings an entire country of baseball fans with him, as he and all the Japanese players have that going for them to some degree.

      Great player, great numbers, still a 1B/DH.

      The A’s are paying Lawrence Butler and Brent Rooker about 7M this season, the Mets are paying Juan Soto 62M. I don’t see how any GM or team owner in baseball can make sense of that kind of contract outside of an Ohtani-like star which Vlad isn’t.

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    • avenger65

      3 months ago

      swinging: Hey! Show some respect!

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        3 months ago

        They are respectfully very respectful about that.

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      3 months ago

      I wish the MLBTR writers would pick up a thesaurus once in a while.

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  5. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 months ago

    Did it include the NPV of Kielbasa and a weekly delivery of it?
    Food is important too

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    • numberoneslayerfan

      3 months ago

      food is required for living things to survive

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        3 months ago

        It is of singular importance…. to be clear

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        • runningwithnailclippers

          3 months ago

          I think oxygen has some gripes for you. 🙂

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          3 months ago

          I am telling you man, no kielbasa, no production!

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    • algionfriddo

      3 months ago

      He is more likely into Mangu with the Tres Golpes. By age 35 he will likely not be able to see his feet.

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        3 months ago

        Some Dominicans have a secret love for ….. not just typical Dominican food

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  6. smuzqwpdmx

    3 months ago

    Is he worth more than Ohtani? Obviously not. So don’t pay him a higher NPV than Ohtani, let him test the market. If no other team wildly overestimates his value, maybe he’ll decide he’d like to revisit the $400M-$450M NPV offer next winter.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 months ago

      Except Ohtani is no longer available in a dynamic market and salaries continue to inflate. His value is what his eventual signing team will pay.

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      • bucsfan0004

        3 months ago

        I have yet to see Ohtanj be a dynamic player in a Dodgers uniform, just an excellent DH

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        • gomer33

          3 months ago

          If the current MVP is not a dynamic player…..

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        • toptimrubies

          3 months ago

          “just an excellent DH” OK

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          3 months ago

          @bucs

          Easily the dumbest comment I’ve ever read on this board.

          Congrats!

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        • Steinbrenner2728

          3 months ago

          Most NL Central team fans love to bash Ohtani for some reason

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          3 months ago

          You don’t know ball haha.

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        • swinging wood

          3 months ago

          I’d love to have the “just excellent DH” on my team and I would be willing to spend a lot more of my team’s owner’s money.

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    • cash3w

      3 months ago

      That’s still a good strategy for him with the “meet in the middle” approach. Sure there’s inflation, but if Bryce Harper signed a 13-year, $330M deal to be RF/1B, $400m for Vladdy Jr. seems right given the timeframe.

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    • Tigers3232

      3 months ago

      What Ohtani’s deal is worth although a factor like any other player, it is not the end all be all. Vlad Jr is a MLB talent and a commodity to MLB the business. The commodities each year available to the franchises competing with each other in the market and economy of MLB are governed by the laws of supply and demand there within.

      As long as revenue keeps climbing so will the cost franchises are willing to pay for free agent talent.

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  7. chandlerbing

    3 months ago

    Cant wait for a lineup with lindor soto vladdy next yr

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  8. algionfriddo

    3 months ago

    Fat does not age well. Prove me wrong Vladdy Jr.

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    • runningwithnailclippers

      3 months ago

      He literaly lost weight before last year and played much better.

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      • mlb fan

        3 months ago

        “”Played much better”…The big body types are extremely risky on long term deals. When I see Vlade Guerrero Jr. I think “Panda” Pablo Sandoval , Prince Fielder, Giancarlo Stanton and Kris Bryant, all big body guys who broke down prematurely.

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        • avenger65

          3 months ago

          mlb fan: Vogelbach, Lynn, Kirk, Alvarez (Mets), Ruth, Rowdy…

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        • Cgg 2

          3 months ago

          Stanton? Bryant? I guess those are big guys, if that is the criteria, but more tall than out of shape. Bryant is thin even, but Stanton is the buffest guy in the game. Cannot really write Fielder and Sandoval with those guys, as neither of those guys were tall. Jeez why not just say McGwire then if we are making up body types.

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      • NYCityRiddler

        3 months ago

        That’s just until he signs, after that what ever city he’s playing in will be naming all you can eat buffets after him, maybe the Reds step up & you could call it, “The Fatty Vlady in Cincinnati” Ahahahahahaha!

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        • gomer33

          3 months ago

          Every Jays article you just consume yourself with dumping on the player or team, Get a hobby unless this is your hobby. Ahahahahahaha!

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  9. DigglinDickers

    3 months ago

    How many years do you give a guy who will weigh probably around 300 lbs in a few seasons.

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    • runningwithnailclippers

      3 months ago

      He maintained a weight last year of about 20 lbs less than he had before. This year they say he looks the same or better. Maybe he has changed his approach to eating/bad habits?

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      • tigergreg

        3 months ago

        Or maybe once he signs a long term huge money contract he’s no longer as concerned about staying in shape

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        • avenger65

          3 months ago

          I think he’s just one of these people whose weight will always be high even if he diets and drops 25 pounds. The weight will always come back.

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  10. Bob Sacamano 310

    3 months ago

    Pass. Dude will suddenly get fat again the second that deal is signed

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  11. Judd_Skinner

    3 months ago

    No chance I would pay Vlad Jr that much or lock him up that long. He’s a cheeseburger away from full time DH as it stands.

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  12. rocky7

    3 months ago

    Paying him as if he’s a “generational player” is a huge overpay…..he’s good…at times very good….but certainly not as good as he is in his own mind…

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  13. Angelic Visitations

    3 months ago

    Vladi will follow in his father’s footsteps and sign a deal with the Angels next winter, where he’ll go on to win an MVP in 2027, exactly 20 years after his dad.

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    • sacball

      3 months ago

      and the Angels will still finish in 4th place…

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  14. H.Lime

    3 months ago

    Bad bet.

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  15. Never Remember

    3 months ago

    It just seems that he really does not want to stay in Toronto.

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    • straightuphonestguy

      3 months ago

      Right. I feel like those extension terms are a flashing neon “trade me now” sign.

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  16. Cincyfan85

    3 months ago

    I think the Blue Jays were smart here. They would have been smarter if they traded him and didn’t trade for Andres Gimenez.

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    • Big whiffa

      3 months ago

      There’s more money than talent in the league. I use to give the jays the benefit of the doubt because they are in Canada, but this was a complete miss on their end. No top tier player will sign in Toronto, they finally had one with legacy ties and who the fans like yet let him walk. They are a mismanaged organization to say the least

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      • Ashleyr

        3 months ago

        Just curious, but which Blue Jays players do you want to lose in the future since the Jays run a 270 M payroll and with Vlad demanding almost 40 M of that himself, there are 26 players on a team, NOT one, which divides the remaining budget at a mere 8.4 million per player. For each player making 20M a season, that number is reduced, meaning Vlad will be playing with rookies or triple A players every year. That doesn’t consider Vlad and other players take less so talent can be signed, they don’t demand more so they handicap the teams. That is what the Angels did with Trout, Rendon and what happens when they are injured, the team spins its wheels in futility because 2 or 3 players destroyed the budget. If fans believe the Jays will pay a billion a year on salaries, keep dreaming because they are delusional.

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        • Big whiffa

          3 months ago

          Toronto has no payroll restrictions. Here is the financial hierarchy of MLB

          Tier 1 – dodgers (sorry cohen)
          Tier 2- Mets
          Tier 3- Yankees, Blue Jays and maybe the Red Sox
          Tier 4- Giants, cubs and maybe Phili

          If none of these 8 teams are offering you a contract – then make sure you have opt outs !

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  17. PrincessYuki

    3 months ago

    Only a two-way player that pitched like Nolan Ryan and hit like Ted Williams would be worth that kind of money.

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  18. Quinnap89

    3 months ago

    No chance he’s getting 500 million or close to it. I’m sorry but let’s have a real discussion here. He’s not Ohtani (not saying that any human being is worth 700 million), even Soto isn’t worth what the Mets unloaded out of Cohens bank account. I understand we all play around here like we’re the ones who are doling out the cash. So currently Vlad is already the highest paid 1B in a position that hasn’t been handing out large contracts in quite some time, and I know I’ll hear oh Harper got a large deal with 13 years. However he was not signed to be a 1B at the time. Teams have learned there lessons as those large 1B contracts have not panned out, for example Fielder Jr. Vlad is not Prince as he’s a career .288 hitter which is great. Hes less injury prone sure but he will be in the Freeman and Olson category for contracts. Those guys are proven studs who didn’t get a massive contract. Sorry Vlad you unfortunately play 1B which also unfortunately is considered a position that almost anyone can play. I’m predicting an 8 yr. 240 million dollar deal. AAV will be 2 million more than he makes now and it will put him at age 34 in line for one more contract to end his career. Giving someone 15 years is ridiculous. A lot can happen in 15 years. Most of those usually won’t be productive. Let’s be realistic

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  19. mlb fan

    3 months ago

    So, the market very recently valued Pete Alonso at well under $100M, but Vladdy is somehow worth $500M+ in present day value?

    I understand Vlad is a few years younger and brings a slightly better batting average, but this discrepancy is ridiculously large. I think Vlad Jr. is in for a rude awakening if and when he hits the open market and finds that slow, portly power hitters are not as valued as they once were.

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    • Quinnap89

      3 months ago

      Well to be fair Vlad is a better hitter than Alonso, career average wise by 48 points. Hes a career .288 hitter. Still not worth 500 mill though lol

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    • cwsOverhaul

      3 months ago

      8yrs/260mil would be a lot for his age 27-34 seasons (throw an opt out after 4yrs hoping it will be exercised) while relatively certain the last couple years at least won’t be pretty. Some team that can outspend mistakes will probably go way overboard to “make a splash”…..phrase for being foolish.

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  20. Oddvark

    3 months ago

    I have a question about “net present value”. Is that calculation only considered when money is deferred until after the term of the contract or does it also consider the payment structure during the term of the contract?

    For example, consider two hypothetical 12-year $240MM contracts, with different payment structures such as:

    Contract A pays: 30/30/30/30/20/20/20/20/10/10/10/10
    Contract B pays: 10/10/10/10/20/20/20/20/30/30/30/30

    Does Contract A have a higher net present value since so much more would be paid in the early years of the contract compared to Contract B which is more back-loaded? Or would they both be considered to have a flat $240MM net present value because no payments would be deferred until after the end of the contract?

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    • straightuphonestguy

      3 months ago

      NPV in baseball terms is exclusively regarding the CBT, i.e., the AAV hit. The AAV hit is only different from the stated terms with deferred payments. Both of your extensions have the same AAV ($20M for 12 years), so a team’s preference would be the second contract.

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  21. mike156

    3 months ago

    The two year age difference is probably worth maybe $80M-ish? What do people think?

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  22. Dustyslambchops23

    3 months ago

    Why do you care to rush to comment about another man’s weight, it’s not funny or clever.

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    • gomer33

      3 months ago

      The guy probably knows 10 players in baseball, it’s all hes got.

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  23. Dustyslambchops23

    3 months ago

    The top 1B deal of all time is what? Technically Bryce Harper’s?

    That was a few years ago and yes the market has gone wild, but you can’t 2x the biggest contract of all time at that position in that timeframe.

    Jays should have traded him this offseason.

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    • Jon M

      3 months ago

      Harper’s deal was for a right fielder at the time of signing.

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  24. Hot Corner

    3 months ago

    I can see history repeating itself. His father, the great Vlad “the Impaler” left a Canadian team for the Angels. Vlad Jr will follow suit.

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    • gomer33

      3 months ago

      So by that logic Bo Bichette will be a Rockie next year?

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  25. Longtimecoming

    3 months ago

    So, Soto and Ohtani have the 2 highest contracts in all of baseball history. What would Ruth get as a 27 year old FA in 2025? Even later, Hank Aaron?

    Just something that bounced around in my head.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 months ago

      Lol. $55M AAV topping Soto’s $51M. Ruth was a pretty good rightfielder with a strong arm. You’re also paying for his entertaining larger-than-life and charitable personality. Hard to compare him to today’s players with advanced training, rehab, and tech. The talent pool was also much smaller then.

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  26. straightuphonestguy

    3 months ago

    I can’t see him getting 14/500 NPV on the open market without another 2021/2024 type season. Seems like he’s really not into Toronto.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 months ago

      He’s into who will pay him the most. I think the Jays have made good faith efforts to sign him to an extension.

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      • straightuphonestguy

        3 months ago

        Yeah, I can’t fault Toronto here unless they dragged their feet on an extension earlier. That said, Guerrero’s yo-yoed between good, great, and elite years, so hard to gauge his true talent.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      3 months ago

      He wasn’t drafted. He literally chose Toronto.

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      • straightuphonestguy

        3 months ago

        Thanks for the correction.

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  27. CardsFan77

    3 months ago

    So, we know SOTO got paid…. I’m not sure he was worth the $ but he got it all the same….. Vlad wants to fall somewhere between Soto and Ohtani on the financial side????? Ohtani is the best player on the planet rn… Vlad doesn’t even crack top 5 for players imo. He is 1 dimensional. Here’s my top 5

    OHTANI
    JUDGE
    WITT JR
    AND THEN THERE ARE PROBABLY 10 GUYS FOR THE 4TH AND 5TH SPOT

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    • BeenThereDoneIt

      3 months ago

      He’s not one dimensional. Not in the least

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  28. Old York

    3 months ago

    Should be an interesting free agency for him. Jays should be looking to trade him, though.

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  29. This one belongs to the Reds

    3 months ago

    Sounds like the Jays didn’t want to either go that long or that much. I can’t blame them. As many have said, the body type does not age well.

    Remember, Ohtani’s plane never landed there. I bet the interpreter was going there for some reason instead.

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  30. SHARKmapiro

    3 months ago

    All of a sudden the “shatkins” and “fire the front office” digs have disappeared. Finally!

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  31. gorav114

    3 months ago

    The Jays really need to get this done. Vlad is a superstar and still only 25.

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  32. kingbum

    3 months ago

    A bit too inconsistent I think for that contract, also given his body type I think he might peak early and be retired well before 39. I think that Jays deal is the best he’s going to get, he’s no way more valuable than Ohtani and Soto is more consistent.

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  33. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    3 months ago

    It’s INSANE!

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  34. DarrenDreifortsContract

    3 months ago

    He better have another big year to be asking for that kind of money.

    500 million for 25 homers and a .275 ba lol

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  35. Astros_fan_in_Aus

    3 months ago

    I see lots of comments referencing the contracts that Ohtani and Soto got, but Guererro should not be mentioned in the same breath as those two. He would seem to be hugely overrated, especially by himself..

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  36. casualfan

    3 months ago

    I’m thinking he’s getting 10/350 type of thing. I’d be happy to have him on the team I support as I think he’s a good bat, but that type of contract can handcuff you a bit unless you are the Mets/Dodgers level of spending. You spread it out over the 10 years obviously to keep the AAV down, but even if I squint I can’t see him getting $400mil(maybe over 14 years I guess….). I know Tucker is older, but I’d more inclined to give him 10/400. He’s just a better all around player.
    With Vlad, when he goes full time DH, you’d better hope he goes all Edgar or Papi in those last 5 years, otherwise that last $180mil or so is going to be worth like 2 WAR in total over those last several years.

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  37. Rsox

    3 months ago

    If he had the same body type and just pure ability his father had, maybe. But $500 million for a First Baseman that is not exactly a prime physical specimen is probably a terrible idea no matter who signs him

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  38. justdadamaja

    3 months ago

    vlad can aim for 500M, but he’ll likely settle for 350M over 15 years with incentives that can take it up to 450M and an opt-out in 4 years.

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  39. Dock_Elvis

    3 months ago

    $500M now. No interest free deferrals. He could have probably made more working eith his investment professionals if thats his market.

    He basically just chose to hit free agency. Never any doubt. That’s a nice figure. He maybe should have taken that.

    Sad for Jays fans. All this says is they can’t attract players by either compensation or promotion potential.

    Dang he looks a LOT like a Cub to me

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  40. cooperhill

    3 months ago

    One dimensional player who will be out of baseball if he doesn’t get serious about conditioning!

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  41. MrPeanutHead

    3 months ago

    He hasn’t had a consistent enough track record to ask for half a billion dollars with no referrals. That contract would be a nightmare by age 37 unless he really committed to taking care of himself which he doesn’t seem to be interested in. We will see which way the wind blows this season.

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      3 months ago

      Allow me to provide referrals:

      baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrvl02.shtml

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  42. RobblyDobs

    3 months ago

    Deluded on his value. Should have snapped their hand off at 450m NPV if they offered it.

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  43. slimray

    3 months ago

    no first baseman is worth 300 mil.,much less 500 mil .the jays will be glad in a couple of years,he turned them down.when the jays fall out of the race this year,they can trade him.

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  44. IHLgulls

    3 months ago

    Move the Blue Jays to Buffalo

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  45. Nosferatu Zodd

    3 months ago

    2021 Orioles pitching the gift that keeps giving.

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  46. 92jays

    3 months ago

    Let him go. He will be a dh in 3 years

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  47. JRamHOF

    3 months ago

    Future Las Vegas Athletic

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  48. tuck 2

    3 months ago

    I needed a good laugh. Thanks Vladdy

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  49. Can we please get a DH?

    3 months ago

    Giving Vladi a 14 year deal would be terrible business. His obvious comp is Devers whose deal is a few years old, but was for 10yrs/$313.5M with some deferrals (although Devers made $10M less in his last arbitration year) covering ages 26 through 36. Vladi has the higher ceiling bat, but significantly worse defense.

    If the Jays offered a 14 year deal in the $400s in NPV, Vladi should’ve taken it. Most teams are exceedingly reluctant to commit long term generally and particularly with 1B/DH types (Soto being a unicorn). It wouldn’t be at all surprising to see Vladi end up with a Bregman type deal next offseason if he is really pushing for $500M as a team would be more than happy to pay $40M+ per year for ages 27-31, but every year after that gets really risky.

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  50. WideWorldofSports

    3 months ago

    Moral of the story: MLB needs a cap

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    • Jubilation

      3 months ago

      No doesn’t need a cap.

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    • O'sSayCanYouSee

      3 months ago

      Cap profits, not salaries.

      Players > Owners = sports fans.

      Players < Owners = business fans.

      Players = Owners = fiction fans.

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  51. wileycoyote56

    3 months ago

    I’d plan on a deal of ridiculous prospect returns or he’ll bring back a draft pick. Once these guys ask for that much money a club would be crazy to pay it! These players need to be brought back to reality, anything over 20 million is stupid money, there’s got to be a stopping point eventually. Fans can’t afford to pay the ridiculous prices to go to the games anymore. Good seats are so expensive, fans can’t buy season tickets like they used to

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  52. Dennis Bell

    3 months ago

    This could turn into one of those catastrophic contracts that drains a team for years with little return. Guerrero is a good player, but nowhere near that good.

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  53. Jubilation

    3 months ago

    I think Vladdy nets a 420/12 deal. That is 35 per.

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  54. OZ13

    3 months ago

    If the deal was 500 over 14, then that’s 35.7 mil a year. I recently heard that a “win” is worth around 8 mil in regards to WAR (a 1 WAR player is worth 8 mil a year), so with that logic are we saying that Vladdy cant be a 4.46 win player a year? He’s had two 6 WAR seasons and one 4 WAR season already… and he’s how old? WAR is not a perfect measure, and obviously the end of contracts suck for teams generally, but if the Jays failed to meet his asking of 500 mil over 14, when they missed on Ohtani and missed on Soto, they really messed up big time not locking up their homegrown guy. No one wants to play in Toronto, yet this dude was seemingly willing to sign long term which would help them sign other stars in the future. Sell the team and move to the states Jays.

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    • Can we please get a DH?

      3 months ago

      It’s not can Vladi be a 4-5 WAR player for the next 5 years, but 14. And 1B/DH types just don’t tend to hold up well into their mid to late 30s.

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  55. kenphelpsformvp

    3 months ago

    i need him and scherzer to have monster years

    dodgers beating the jays in the WS pays 100-1

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  56. PeteRose’s Bookie

    3 months ago

    Half a Bil for a 1st base/DH

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    • OZ13

      3 months ago

      3/4 of a Bil for a corner OF/DH?

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  57. friesTO

    3 months ago

    No matter where he goes, Shotani has value as he draws in Japanese viewers and that helps advertising.

    Vlad Jr. is popular in the Toronto market which could have afforded either player, but outside of Toronto I don’t think he has the local draw.

    I live in Toronto and they’re my local team and all, but the FO offer of $350 or whatnot (under $400) is looking better and better.

    When he goes to FA and he’s outside large market areas I doubt he can meet or exceed the Jays offer

    Even if he ends up a HOF player somewhere else, it will probably take a move anyway to get him to mature as a person. I don’t think I could stand his rewarded showboating for 14 years.

    Otherwise during FA he shops around finding the cupboards bare and comes back to the Jays for $350. Unless the Mets or Yankees believe the hype

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  58. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    3 months ago

    INSANE.

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  59. 30 Parks

    3 months ago

    A lot of doctors posting on this site – experts on Vlad’s weight & requisite health. Great medical resource for Vlad.

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  60. chandlerbing

    3 months ago

    thank you la deferrals
    for introducing the term Net Present Value to free agency/negotiations

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  61. douglasb

    3 months ago

    Vlad Jr. and Prince Fielder have very similar offensive numbers over their 1st 6 seasons in MLB. Prince was 10 months older at that point. Of course Prince was horrible defensively, but offensively their numbers look almost the same, if anything you give it to Prince (139 OPS+ to 137).

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