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Poll: Will The Pirates Be Able To Trade Ke’Bryan Hayes?

By Nick Deeds | July 24, 2025 at 12:26pm CDT

The Pirates have been one of the league’s most obvious sellers for quite some time now. Most of the attention has been on pieces like Mitch Keller and David Bednar, both of whom could bring back substantial returns as quality pitchers with multiple years of team control. With that being said, third baseman Ke’Bryan Hayes has found his name in the rumor mill on occasion this summer. Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette noted earlier this week that the Pirates have a “notable desire” to move on from Hayes, who will have $36MM left on his deal after this season, in addition to the balance of this year’s $7MM salary.

It’s not hard to see why Pittsburgh might like to part ways with their former top prospect. Hayes’s salary isn’t exactly pricey, but for a small market club like the Pirates, even a relatively cheap contract that’s underwater relative to the player’s production can be an issue. The 28-year-old has rarely been healthy throughout his big league career, and even when healthy has struggled on offense. This year, he’s slashing a paltry .234/.288/.300 with a wRC+ of 61. He’s striking out at a 20.9% clip, walking just 4.8% of the time, and offers virtually no power with the lowest ISO among all qualified hitters this year. He hits the ball hard but into the ground far too often.

While the Pirates wanting to move on from Hayes as they look to build a more potent offense around a strong rotation led by Paul Skenes makes plenty of sense, it’s an open question whether or not the club will be able to find a taker on his services. A player with virtually no offensive value and a long-term guaranteed contract isn’t exactly an attractive trade asset, after all. Hayes’s glove at third base is elite, with an incredible +14 Outs Above Average this year, but a glove-only player at a corner position is still a questionable fit on most contenders.

The Cubs, Yankees, and Tigers have all been connected to Hayes in at least some capacity, but it’s a somewhat open question as to how serious that interest may actually be. The Cubs have rookie Matt Shaw currently installed at the hot corner, and while his 79 wRC+ has been disappointing, Hayes would actually be a downgrade for Chicago offensively. Colt Keith and Zach McKinstry have been handling third base for Detroit and have both been above-average offensive contributors this year, meaning Hayes would hardly be a clear upgrade for them either. Hayes would actually be a clear upgrade for the Yankees, as both Jorbit Vivas and Oswald Peraza are less valuable than him on both defense and offense. That said, the Yankees are known to have eyes on a number of other possible third base options like Eugenio Suarez and Ryan McMahon who are likely more attractive than Hayes.

That all makes it difficult to imagine the Pirates swinging a trade involving Hayes, but one thing working in the club’s favor is that Hiles suggesting that they’re “likely” to prioritize simply getting Hayes’s contract off their books in any deal. Perhaps a club that isn’t interested in parting with precious prospect capital that has some money to spare in the budget could then see Hayes as a viable option to improve their infield or bench mix who won’t cost them much of anything. With that said, Hayes’s contract would be quite expensive for a bench player, meaning it could be difficult to convince a club to take him on without the Pirates absorbing some salary unless the acquiring team believes in Hayes as a starter.

One possible solution could be attaching Hayes to a more attractive trade asset like Keller or Bednar, but doing so would likely force them to lower their asking price for that asset considerably. Even for a team with as low of a budget as Pittsburgh, lowering the trade value of a major piece just to save money in a salary dump would be a difficult pill to swallow for fans. And it may not even be an attractive proposition for a front office that clearly hopes to contend while Skenes is still in town and will need to acquire as much offensive talent as possible in order to make that happen. On the other hand, perhaps the $36MM guaranteed Hayes is due in 2026 and beyond could be reallocated to upgrading the offense via free agency. Just for an example, Paul Goldschmidt, Gleyber Torres, Austin Hays, and Mike Tauchman signed one-year deals for a combined $34MM in free agency this past winter and each would’ve represented a substantial upgrade to the Pirates’ offense.

What do MLBTR readers think is next for Hayes and the Pirates? Will Pittsburgh manage to trade Hayes? If so, will they be able to do so without eating significant salary or attaching him to another more valuable player? Or will Hayes still be in town on August 1? Have your say in the poll below:

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  1. Chuck from Uniontown

    1 day ago

    77 votes and nobody has commented yet?

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    • CleaverGreene

      1 day ago

      Shows what an uninteresting player Hayes is. The most uninteresting player in MLB. Paid too much, under-performs at the plate, hurt every year.

      Before him Heyward had the title.

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    • Brett Baty’s Bat

      24 hours ago

      911 votes
      22 comments

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      • TheMan 3

        23 hours ago

        wow, I didn’t know that people from Boston could add

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        • 123redsox

          21 hours ago

          We can read, too.

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        • sox1 4

          19 hours ago

          we can also spell YANKEES-SUCK in two perfect words

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    • Harvbanger

      23 hours ago

      Chuck, I enjoyed listening to the piece that Jason Mackey did on you at 93.7 The Fan. So cool hearing how you met & chatted with Paul Skenes…and you seeing so many other Pirate greats & influential people (Jim Leyland, Bob Walk, Don Kelly, Greg Brown, Dan Zangrilli). And loved hearing how you received a standing O from the fans at PNC Park. You’re my FAVORITE part of every post game show. I’m disappointed if I ever miss hearing your call. Let’s hope for all of Pirates nation sake that Bob Nutting next off-season finally does what he should have been doing all along…putting some much needed REAL money into the payroll. What a crime shame it is that we have the best pitcher in baseball…but not a competitive supporting cast to give the pirates a realistic chance of sniffing the post-season. An incredible wasted opportunity. I give Nutting ONE LAST CHANCE because it’s possible 2027 will have a strike shortened season. If there’s ANY hope of Skenes remaining a Pirate beyond his current contract….and I admit it’s slim at best…the Pirates MUST address the lack of hitting. The Bucs MUST appropriately allocate funds to acquire not one…but TWO impact bats. I’ll believe it when I see it.
      Wrapping up…keep on doing what you’re doing. You yourself actually created a positive impact for us Pirates fans. Win or lose, you make the post game broadcasts more enjoyable. Thx Chuck.
      Harvey in White Oak

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    • wvsteve

      21 hours ago

      Chuck awesome thing the other night

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  2. Stingray37

    1 day ago

    My gut call is that there are teams out there that think they can get more bat out of hayes, and they will auction to an extent.

    I do not think Hayes has negative trade value.

    Its possible they package him or eat money to get more, but I don’t think they “have to”.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      23 hours ago

      I think Hayes is the fallback plan for the Yankees if Suarez and McMahon go to teams like Chicago and Seattle

      Surely he would do better than peraza or vivas… or be the same

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        21 hours ago

        Suarez >>> Hayes >>>>>>>> McMahon (bad road splits)

        Hayes’ future salaries are about the cost of a good utility player.

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      • Logjammer D'Baggagecling

        20 hours ago

        Yankees or Seattle can have McMahon. The Cubs don’t need a long term 3B.

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  3. Stingray37

    1 day ago

    The main complication with dealing Hayes is that there isnt any sort of prospect knocking on the door. I guess they can acquire a more bat-heavy glove-lite guy this offseason.

    Or move gonzales there? I guess?

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    • TheRickSays

      1 day ago

      Nicky G doesn’t have the arm for 3B

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      • harbinger58

        24 hours ago

        Yes he does

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        • TheRickSays

          22 hours ago

          No, he really doesn’t…. he has an arm grade of 50 which is considered average and suitable for 2B…. He was moved off of SS partly because of his arm…. He is most definitely not 3B material

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Better arm than IKF and Triolo yet both of them can play 3B on a regular basis.

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    • joew

      23 hours ago

      Triolo a gold glover utility guy who mostly plays at third during his career. Not a good bat, but can similar to hayes. Probably a slight drop in over all game but at a 10th of the price. Perfectly acceptable for 2025 with hopes that he finds that 2023 bat again.

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      • TheMan 3

        23 hours ago

        Triolo has had:3 years to find his bat. He will never get better than he is now

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      • greatwhiteangus

        20 hours ago

        That career bat in 2023 was because of a near record high BABIP. When that came down so did his success.

        Triolo is a utility player.

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        • joew

          3 hours ago

          good call. Josh Harrison was similar for much of his career.

          But still a good fill in for at least the rest of 2025. “maybe” they’ll get lucky and snag a near ready 3b option.

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    • AI GM

      23 hours ago

      The main complication is his back. It’s fine now as long as he does everything perfect. As he ages can his posture and exercises keep up?

      All glove no bat that sounds just like Triolo. Maybe Brannigan. Jebb. Hayes 500 something ops isn’t hard to replace.

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      • TheMan 3

        23 hours ago

        I read that Hayes visits his chiropractor in Houston when the team has an off day to adjust his back

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        • AI GM

          17 hours ago

          Well that’s just stupid. If he is the only chiropractor that is that superior to others the Pirates should just put him on their staff. Flying to Houston and back every off day can’t be good for the back.

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    • budman3 2

      23 hours ago

      Figure out a way to move Hayes and than take a chance on a younger, cheaper guy like Chris Morel from the Rays to patch up 3rd/LF for another piece they may have in a deal…like Bednar..

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  4. bucsfan0004

    1 day ago

    The Yankees were mentioned in this article. Their infielders suck and cant catch the ball. IKF and Hayes would be an upgrade at both fielding and hitting.

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    • Sorinotsori

      1 day ago

      3B is a black hole offensively and very good defensively (peraza). To give something up, financially or prospect capital for such a minimal, non needle moving upgrade makes no sense. Hayes is slugging in the 200’s and makes more than the minimum. No thanks

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  5. Old York

    1 day ago

    No. Not a lot of teams that need a defense first player that has no offensive contributions. DFA candidate.

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  6. The Raven

    1 day ago

    I’m sure Crashman would give him a go.

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    • solaris602

      24 hours ago

      Hayes would be an upgrade over the other 3B they have in the wings – Candelario. Gio Urshela was basically Hayes when he joined the Yankees, and he blossomed into a decent hitter. PIT FO will have to make those points in selling Cashman on the idea.

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  7. TheRickSays

    1 day ago

    36M over 4 years is WAY different than 34M in 1 year, the fact that this statement was included in this piece is beyond any type of logical thought. Even teams over the tax threshold would rather spend 36M over 4 years (9M AAV) versus 34M in 1 year (34M AAV)

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    • Brett Baty’s Bat

      24 hours ago

      Ummm. Not necessarily.

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  8. Dice 66

    1 day ago

    Larger deal maybe ? Young pitcher or infielder in minors?

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  9. TheRickSays

    1 day ago

    Hayes hit in the minors, he hit in his first year in ’20, looked like he was turning a corner in ’23…..some team will get him and unlock him like the Rays did with Glasnow and the Brewers did with Priester…..Pittsburgh’s Major League staff is great at taking potential and running out into the ground

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    • panj341

      24 hours ago

      TheRickSays
      That Priester trade should earn someone the door.

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      • mlb1225

        23 hours ago

        I’m not ruling out Yorke yet before he even graduates rookie status, nor am I going to completley buy into Priester after less than 20 starts.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        20 hours ago

        Yeah, the guy for the RedSox deserves fired because Priester actually did worse there than he did with the Pirates.

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    • mlb1225

      23 hours ago

      I don’t really agree fully on this. Glasnow and Priester never had chroic back injuries like Hayes did. He had to completley change his stance and swing this year to accommodate for it. Even he himself admitted it would probably never be at 100% again. We’ll see, but back issues can be debilitating.

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      • greatwhiteangus

        20 hours ago

        He still needs to overhaul his swing IMO. Hayes needs to get rid of that glide step towards the pitcher and just start in that position, kind of like how BRey does it. Hopefully he can do it without throwing the hips/back out.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          14 hours ago

          How is it that the Pirates have no one to refine young players? How can that be?

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    • stymeedone

      23 hours ago

      @TheRick
      Hayes is not a pitcher. Glasnow and Priester are not good comparables.

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  10. BigGarg

    1 day ago

    The Pirates are really in a tough situation. They trade their good players, and when they actually go out and resign them, it ends up a disaster (Hayes and Bryan Reynolds).

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    • Vealparm

      24 hours ago

      Their problem is that the “good” players they traded weren’t that good or numerous .

      Try to make a team out of players they first signed, then traded and it might win 50 games

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      • Brett Baty’s Bat

        24 hours ago

        Cole
        Baz
        Glasnow
        Musgrove
        Taillon

        There’s your starting rotation, with 4 of them on the IL or just off the IL.

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        • Vealparm

          23 hours ago

          Playing for a scoreless tie?
          😂
          One pitcher with a 4.86 era,
          2 out for the year, one of whom wasn’t drafted by the Bucs.

          You forgot the starting 9 for some reason.

          Couldn’t think of any “stars”?

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        • Vealparm

          22 hours ago

          I’ll help
          Clay Holmes in for Musgrove. He’s Houstons.

          C-diaz
          1b- bell
          2b-frazier
          Ss-newman
          3b- Newman.
          Lf,cf,rf- marte
          DH-Stallings

          Formidable

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        • wvsteve

          21 hours ago

          That was 7 years ago. Couldn’t afford Cole and Musgrove was included in his trade. Glasnow didn’t do well as a pirate. His attitude sucks and he’s always hurt

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Three of those were in the last regime. Musgrove has been hurt for 3 years and Taillon has had only one “good” season since he was traded.

          And to be honest Bob could only afford to pay Baz.

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  11. DynamiteAdams

    1 day ago

    As a pirates fan I want him gone.

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    • alwaysgo4two

      23 hours ago

      Yes, but when the other team needs a DP, who else can they defend on?

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    • Skeptical

      22 hours ago

      As a Pirate fan, I don’t. There are quite a few other Pirates I’d prefer be traded before Hayes. Amazingly, for all the griping about Hayes, he has the second highest WAR among Pirate position players, one of the few with a positive WAR.. His defense is second to none and important on a pitching focused team. Looking at his batting splits, terrible June, very good July. I’d keep him.

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      • TheMan 3

        21 hours ago

        Hayes is on pace to win another Gold Glove.
        His defense is second to none

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Hayes is my favorite player. Watching him at 3B is a joy. Too bad he also has to bat.

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  12. WashedUpOldTimer

    1 day ago

    Absolute ridiculous signing by a front office that was over-eager to show fans they had turned the corner. They hadn’t. And haven’t.
    Maybe he’ll hit somewhere else. Would be happy to see him go

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    • bigdaddyk

      24 hours ago

      It was a good signing at the time but his back is screwed up and will never be a decent hitter

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        23 hours ago

        You can blame his back, if you like. Your prerogative. I can sympathize with anyone’s pain
        But it’s odd the pain never affected his stellar glove. And I’d say there’s more twisting and turning in the field than at bat
        It was a PR signing, that’s all. You’d have thought they’d learned with the signing of Polanco

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        • mlb1225

          23 hours ago

          Yeah, and through the first 3 years after Polanco signed his extension, he hit .255/.324/.455 with a 105 wRC+. That includes in his age-26 season when he had a career-high 123 wRC+, nearly 3 fWAR, and .839 OPS, which is pretty good for a player who was only 26 at the time. It wasn’t Polanco’s fault his knee completley blew out in 2018. To me, that extension was working out well before the injury.

          Plus, just becaus he is still a good fielder doesn’t automatically mean that the back issues don’t affect his play at the plate.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          22 hours ago

          I liked Polanco. I saw a great more upside in him than I do with Hayes at the plate.
          You make note of the knees and I would agree with the analogy. But beyond that, he never learned to be an MLB outfielder, how to run bases and plate discipline. Save for the knees, he’s a much better comparison to Cruz
          The difference is, or was, that from all accounts Polanco worked extremely hard to improve and simply couldn’t. What to blame is up for speculation. Injuries? Poor player development staff even then? A combination of factors?
          Please know like many fans, I root for the kids to succeed. I have a long leash where giving up on any is concerned, whether it’s Hayes, Cruz, Davis, Suwinski or myriad others. But again it’s notable that the Pirates embraced the Rays model and failed
          What happens when essentially none of your prospects make an impact at the MLB level? How long do you stay with them? How long do you keep surrounding them with patchwork types of players who themselves can’t perform at this level?
          That’s the situation the Pirates are in. Most of these guys would probably be better served with other franchise. And the Pirates would likely be better served by burning it all down, loading up with legitimate prospects ( key word, legitimate) and starting over again

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        • mlb1225

          22 hours ago

          I don’t think it’s fair to say that Polanco attempted and failed to improve. He looked great in 2018, putting up career-high numbers in many offensive stats, including in walk rate and chase rate, which indicates he was getting better at his plate discipline. I never thought his defense was bad/didn’t try to make improvements. I always thought he was an okay fielder when I watched him, not spectacular, but just decent.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          22 hours ago

          Well, he wasn’t Clemente or Parker out there, to be sure. But boy, he took a lot of bad tracks to fly balls and had a horrendous time with the wall in right.
          And you’re right, he looked like the missing piece out there alongside Cutch and Marte when he arrived. But pitching coaches, catchers and pitchers adjust the book on batters constantly. Cruz is a good example of this. You learn a batter’s weakness and exploit
          It’s up to hitters to make adjustments.
          Polanco struggled moving forward.
          Will be interesting to see if Cruz takes it upon himself to watch reels of film and hire a good hitting coach this off season

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          It’s not odd. And the back DID affect his fielding which shows you how elite he is with the glove.

          The force with the hips/back in a swing is way worse than in the field.

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        • mlb1225

          19 hours ago

          True, he was not nearly as good in 2024 with the glove as in 2020-2023.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          1 hour ago

          So you’re saying his back problem is actually a hip problem and it’s a non-issue in the field. The bending, the stretching have no affect on the back.
          Angus, no worries. You have your thoughts on this and I have mine. Again…I sympathize with those dealing with chronic ailments. I’m just looking for some modicum of consistency here in the debate about Hayes’s track record, that’s all. It doesn’t make sense to that people use the back issue to almost apologize about his hitting but disavow the idea that the same guy somehow overcomes the issue in the field

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        • mlb1225

          51 mins ago

          One doesn’t equal the other. The movements he has to take in the box are a lot different than what he does in the field. Sure, he still has to twist and turn, but just because he has trouble hitting because of his back does not mean he suddenly can’t field either.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          46 mins ago

          I played the game, coached and managed. To me, what you’re putting faith into lacks a great deal of logic and is mired in an alternative reality, but let’s move on. No problem. You have an opinion, as do I.

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        • mlb1225

          21 mins ago

          I really don’t see how it lacks logic. Is the same movements you make in the field the same as the ones you make in the batters box? I would disagree they are similar, and I don’t think it’s an opinion to say they are different. Back problems can affect different people in different ways, and in Hayes’ case, it likely affects his hitting more than his fielding.

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  13. Sorinotsori

    24 hours ago

    The yanks have been very reluctant to add payroll. The pen is in shambles outside of williams and weaver and they still didn’t grab Robertson. I cannot see them adding payroll for such a minimal upgrade, especially being taxed extra on whatever they already are paying. He’s better than peraza but peraza makes nothing and they are similar players.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      20 hours ago

      “Yanks reluctant to add payroll”

      Dont be surprised when they add to the payroll. It’s the Yankees FFS

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      • Sorinotsori

        20 hours ago

        Every move they have made, and not made, points to them being reluctant to add payroll. Arenado isn’t a yankee because of hicks, lemahieu, etc… Hal is tired of paying a luxury tax for players not even on the roster

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  14. Vealparm

    24 hours ago

    The team will need to have confidence in their back doctors.

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  15. HEHEHATE

    24 hours ago

    The pirates don’t build. They set sail and let the good ones walk the plank. Arrrr matey!

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    • greatwhiteangus

      20 hours ago

      They really haven’t had that many good ones. Majority of the ones who left bounce around the league.

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      • HEHEHATE

        20 hours ago

        Pitching yea you’ve moved far too many you refused to sign. Offensively it’s abysmal and why skenes will/won’t be the second cy young to ever win with a losing record.

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  16. alwaysgo4two

    24 hours ago

    Trade Hayes and grab a low cost option Mead from Tampa who doesn’t have a path. Give the guy regular ABs and you’ll be surprised.

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  17. Charlesm 2025

    24 hours ago

    Many teams need a 3rd baseman however Hayes isn’t what anyone is looking for because he’s injured every year, doesn’t hit for average or power. If teams want someone that fields good then they could just have a defensive replacement.

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  18. Rsox

    24 hours ago

    Hayes with the Yankees absolutely upgrades the defense and they could try to hide him in the 9th spot in the lineup hoping his bat improves. Problem is going to be Pittsburgh trying to pry anything of value for what is obviously going to be considered league wide as a salary dump of a failed prospect

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    • WashedUpOldTimer

      23 hours ago

      So they should just send him there in gift wrap. Good point

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      • Rsox

        22 hours ago

        Not what i said at all. The Pirates are going to have a hard time getting any type of value in return regardless of who they try to trade him to. Odds are pretty good Hayes is still in Pittsburgh on August 1st

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          22 hours ago

          Yep. Apologies. You’re probably right
          But as Pirates fans, we’re accustomed to either little value coming in return, or it festering on the farm. It’s a Pirates thing

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        • TheMan 3

          21 hours ago

          you mean it’s a Cherington thing

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Don’t matter who the GM is in Yinzerville.

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  19. WestVillageTiger

    24 hours ago

    I for one would love to see Ke’Bryan Hayes in a Tigers uniform. He’d solidify an all too often porous infield defense. He also has the potential to improve as an on-base guy, especially when surrounded by better players in a more positive environment.
    If his back is OK, I wouldn’t hesitate to make this deal.

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    • Vealparm

      23 hours ago

      Yes.
      It was pretty terrible last series vs the Bucs.
      His back will never be ok, just manageable

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  20. SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

    24 hours ago

    Back problems don’t just go away so I can’t see any club taking on that contract

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    • StudWinfield

      23 hours ago

      No one is likely to bite on Hayes. The only money PIT will save is pro-rated league minimum by dfa’ing him. Not much confidence he could hold a season long roster spot the next 4 years.

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  21. pd14athletics

    24 hours ago

    Fisher wants to try and show he’s willing to spend money for a new park in Vegas, right? Severino is openly not happy in the AAA PCL park. What about a 3 team deal where A’s take on Hayes, and ship Sevy to Mets. Mets send one of Baty, Vientos, or Mauricio to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh sends Bednar to Mets. Not sure the “value” on Sevy’s deal in Sacramento as he was an overpay to get him to go there, but Mets have familiarity with him and maybe if they get younger talent along with Severino or another useful piece along with Bednar, they get the pitching help they want while dealing from depth and financial strength. Pirates could separately deal Keller without having to package and water down return. A’s can hope Hayes bat finds life hitting in the PCL bandbox.

    Don’t harp too much on the secondary aspects of it like what additional talent would need to move around or money, just the main pieces. What do you think?

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    • bwmiller79

      23 hours ago

      A’s have a light hitting glove first third baseman named Gio Urshella on a one year 2M dollar deal. Miguel Andujar isn’t all that bad a player, he is on a one year 3M dollar deal. Luis Urias is a utility man, plays some 3B, 1yr 1.1M – all good gloves.

      No way the A’s consider Ke’Bryan Hayes. He’s a Pirate until his contract is up.

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  22. Jimmy T

    23 hours ago

    Hayes contract isn’t bad at all. His defense isn’t just elite, it is generational. Any team with solid hitting elsewhere in the lineup should lining up to make a trade if the Pirates are giving him away.

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  23. joew

    23 hours ago

    I love hayes but they cannot carry no bat any longer. He would make a great defensive replacement guy just not for the pirates.

    There is a chance another team can help him work around his injury difficulties that could help his offense.

    He’s not going to bring much other than salary relief. Probably most likely in a package deal.

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  24. mlb1225

    23 hours ago

    Ultimatley, Hayes’ back is going to be what prevents him from hitting good again. Constant issues with back inflammation, a herniated disc, chronic back pain, even admitted that his back probably will never be 100% again. The only thing he can really do is try and adjust and work around it, and he completley changed his swing up to try and accommodate for it.

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    • SharksFan91

      23 hours ago

      Didn’t realize the extent of his back problems. Not a good situation.

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      • mlb1225

        23 hours ago

        Yeah, really unfortunate, because he looked like he was really putting it together in 2023. He tried to play through some of the issues last year, but I think at this point, he’ll never get the full strength back. It’s pretty evident he doesn’t have the strength he used to, just based on exit velocity.

        2020-2023: 91.3 MPH exit velocity

        2024-2025: 89.6 MPH exit velocity

        He ranked top 25 in EV from 2020-2023, and is barely even top 100 over the last two seasons.

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        • TheMan 3

          23 hours ago

          You’re the one who said that Horowitz would significantly improve the offense when he came off the IL. Yes he’s been hot lately but he’s been in the lineup since May.
          I take anything you say with a grain of salt

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          23 hours ago

          But the back problems don’t prevent him from playing the field.
          I feel badly for anyone with health issues but c’mon.

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        • mlb1225

          23 hours ago

          Okay, you can do that. You can value my opinion as much as you want. I thought Horwitz after he put up some good numbers in his rookie year would be much better than he is now. I’ll own up to the fact was wrong about that. Me personally though, I’ll give him another chance because he had no spring training and he’s definitley shown he has the potential to be better. Since the start of June, he is batting .261/.329/.381. That’s about league average production.

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        • mlb1225

          23 hours ago

          Just because he can still play the field doesn’t mean the back problems aren’t affecting his hitting. Even then, you could argue the constant back issues are affecting his fielding to some degree. In 2021, his throws from 3B averaged 82.1 MPH. He is now averaging under 80 MPH.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          22 hours ago

          mlb, you can believe what you like. No worries there. Again, I sympathize with any athlete’s ailments that act to compromise their play. But other than a brief stretch, the young man is emblematic of the Pirates farm system where development is concerned, in terms of position players.
          You can provide numbers until the cows come home about Hayes, Horwitz or whomever. But at the end of the day, watching players game after game over a protracted period gives one great insight into performance.

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        • mlb1225

          22 hours ago

          Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been watching Hayes day in and day out. It’s painful, because the power isn’t there anymore. He just isn’t hitting the ball like he used to, and the numbers back up what I see. It’s easier to explain it through numbers than just say “Well this is what I see” and leave it at that.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          22 hours ago

          And that’s where you and I tend to differ.
          Coming up through the farm, we was looked upon as a line drive hitter. A 15 homer guy, at best
          That’s fine if you can be consistent.
          I thought the signing was a reach then in terms of money and length but again, the front office was betting on the theme of the signing being reflective of a team that turned the corner
          Hindsight is always 20/20 of course, but I wish PR would’ve taken a backseat to baseball logic, that’s all

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        • mlb1225

          20 hours ago

          I think, prior to his multiple back injuries, he could have even been a 20 homer hitter with the right adjustment. He had no trouble hitting the ball hard, but had real trouble lifting the ball. Lots of ground balls, then he went full pull-side-flyball in 2023, and that worked. Don’t know if he still has the back to do that anymore though.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Horwitz is also coming off hamate surgery, but so did Hayes.

          Horwitz can hit. He can draw walks better than anyone on the Bucs. But it’s like anyone with talent that comes to the Bucs immediately goes South.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Swinging a bat at sweeping sliders aint the same as playing defense, homie

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Horwitz deserves the chance. Coming back from hamate surgery takes time. If he can put up what he did in 2024 he becomes this team’s best hitter. Sad but true.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          Because he doesn’t have to gun the ball all the time. He’s a machine at 3B, knows exactly how much time he has to throw the guy out.

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        • greatwhiteangus

          20 hours ago

          I think both you AND washedupoldtimer are right

          Well said

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        • mlb1225

          19 hours ago

          Hayes had wrist surgery years ago. I don’t think that’s his biggest ailment as of this moment. As for Horwitz, he’s having no trouble hitting for some average and getting on base at a respectable rate as of recently. He’s never going to be a big power hitter, but he had a dozen home runs in less than 100 games and an average home run rate last season. Admitly, it was premtive to assume that Horwitz would immediatley jump back onto the saddle after not getting a Spring training and missing about a month and a half longer than expected. I still believe he’ll eventually be solid though. I still view him as sort of a Neil Walker-esque hitter. Nothing super flashy, but a consistent .260-.270 batter, .750-.780 OPS, and 12-18 homers a season.

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          14 hours ago

          Haha. Don’t know what kind of defense you played, “bro”, but beer league softball and MLB aren’t the same thing.
          You’re talking spine, discs, muscles, nerves. You think he’s just a mannequin down at 3rd?

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        • WashedUpOldTimer

          14 hours ago

          It’s too early to give up on Horwitz, that’s for sure. As he continues to heal, it’ll be interesting to see how he progresses

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  25. SharksFan91

    23 hours ago

    Wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Brewer uni and hitting in Miller Park. (Yes, still that name to me.) But, it will never happen due to salary and the Milwaukee management roster quota.

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  26. CajunBuc

    23 hours ago

    I keep seeing it mentioned that a team like the Yankees or Dodgers can use him even with the light bat because they have the hitting pieces around him. Pirates should focus on shoring up the hitting at other positions (OF,C, SS, 1B if Horwitz can’t keep it going), keep the elite defense and manageable salary, and wait for the right trade to come along.

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    • TheMan 3

      23 hours ago

      Horowitz still has several years of control, he’s not going anywhere

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  27. SimonSwings

    23 hours ago

    isn’t this the type of dude who you’d be able to move after the deadline if a need arises?

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  28. Brad Johnson

    23 hours ago

    A notable wrinkle the article missed is his second-half performance in 2023 when he appeared to turn a corner offensively. It’s not unimaginable that a more analytically savvy club will have a trick or three to try. Unless I’m running a team like the Angels or Rox (i.e. the few clubs with weaker dev programs than the Pirates), I’d be curious about taking a cheap flier. Even getting him back to an 85 wRC+ produces a 3-4 WAR-pace player.

    Hell, he has 1.1 WAR *this* season despite a batting line that looks like it belongs to Madison Bumgarner.

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    • mlb1225

      22 hours ago

      Again, I just don’t know if that’s the case. Hayes had a mostly healthy back in 2023. Even then, he missed a few weeks in summer because of back inflammation. Last year, he had a herinated disc, and said that he’ll never be at 100% again. I just don’t know if he has the sort of strength he had just 2 years ago to be like that again.

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      • Brad Johnson

        21 hours ago

        Maybe not, but his EVs are pretty much unchanged. His defense remains elite, which indicates a certain level of health. A different adjustment might work even if the one from before is forever lost.

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        • mlb1225

          20 hours ago

          I mean, he was at 91.3 MPH from 2020-2023, and has been below 90 MPH over the last two seasons. I think that’s definitley worrying when it comes to his raw strength at least. His defense is at least elite, but that doesn’t mean he has the strength to be a good hitter again.

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  29. Chris Koch

    22 hours ago

    Worst hitter in baseball? Sounds like a dfa to me. One of those got paid no need to put any effort on a losing team guys. He’ll go mash overseas for 2 seasons and get paid on a contract returning hopeful.

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  30. swissvale

    22 hours ago

    Hayes, IKF and Bednar for Rice and Volpe

    Yanks have plenty of offense and need to solidify that side of the infield defensively

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    • greatwhiteangus

      20 hours ago

      Well, Volpe doesn’t have offense. Rice? Yankee Stadium benefactor?

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  31. Skeptical

    21 hours ago

    Long ago, when I was growing up as a Pirates fan, the Pirates had a player with a bad back issue, that sometimes kept him out of games. Luckily, the Pirates never traded Clemente.

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    • WashedUpOldTimer

      13 hours ago

      I liked this comment as usual, Skeptical. I also remember fans calling Clemente a hypochondriac
      Hayes isn’t in the same stratosphere as the great one, of course, but again, if he is part of a package that brings back solid prospects, how do you not pull the trigger
      Or on literally anyone on this roster?
      mlb and I differ on Hayes’s hitting ability in this regard. I never heard of anyone impressed with his power on the farm. He was a line drive, spray hitter. Nothing wrong with that. But he’s been beyond inconsistent, no matter the metrics you add in. And apparently there’s no one in the franchise who can refine hitting techniques

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  32. dclivejazz

    21 hours ago

    The Pirates will do whatever it takes to unload this contract vs ensuring they obtain better prospects with all their trades at this deadline. He will probably be packaged with a better trade piece but at the cost of a lower return. They prioritize cash flow over team construction.

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    • WashedUpOldTimer

      13 hours ago

      In the end, dclive, you’re probably right
      Their motives will again be driven by dumping salary first and foremost when it should be trading everyone carefully for good prospects, burning it all down and starting over
      And starting over should begin with cleaning house in the front office and looking for young guys who wish to make names for themselves as execs.
      But this isn’t the path, I’m sure.
      Sell most everyone
      Get guys who’ll fester in the minors
      Add patchwork in the off season
      Tell fans how close they are
      And repeat

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  33. carlos15

    20 hours ago

    His career is a perfect example of how WAR can be a completely useless metric. He’s never been a good hitter, has poor OBP and no power. Good defense and can run a little bit and he’s has 3 and 4 WAR seasons.

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    • greatwhiteangus

      20 hours ago

      Granted, but Hayes is literally elite with the glove. Andrelton Simmons like but at 3B

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      • WashedUpOldTimer

        14 hours ago

        But again, Angus, it’s a commodity on a team so inept at the plate. It’s like having two closers when your team isn’t even a .500 club.
        He’s worth more as trade capital than as a player who is one dimensional

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  34. Domingo111

    18 hours ago

    I guess they could trade him but they would need to eat some salary and the return wouldn’t be great. They would hope that some team would believe their player dev could teach Hayes to elevate

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