There wasn’t much sense that the Nationals would be trading MacKenzie Gore, though that didn’t stop the Cubs, Yankees, and surely several other teams from at least checking in on the southpaw’s availability. The New York Post’s Jon Heyman adds the Padres to the mix as a team that wasn’t just interested in Gore, but was perhaps at the top of the list of suitors. As per Heyman, the Padres were “maybe the most aggressive pursuer” for Gore, and “made a real run” at trying to work out a trade with Washington.
Obviously there’s a lot of familiarity between the two sides, as San Diego drafted Gore third overall back in 2017 and the left-hander’s first 16 career MLB games came in a Padres uniform in 2022. That same year, the Padres included Gore as part of a now-legendary trade package sent to the Nats in the blockbuster deadline deal that brought Juan Soto to southern California. Gore, CJ Abrams, and James Wood have already broken out at the MLB level and Robert Hassell III and Jarlin Susana could still provide even more future help for Washington down the road.
Even with so much from this particular trade going right, however, the Nationals have yet to turn things around. President of baseball operations Mike Rizzo and manager Davey Martinez were both fired in early July, and the team ended up moving some short-term veteran talent at the deadline, rather than pursue any bigger-picture moves like trading Gore. Interim GM Mike DeBartolo said a couple of weeks ago that the Nats wanted to keep Gore and the rest of its young core together, and Heyman notes that there wasn’t any indication that even the Padres came close to getting Washington to actually considering moving Gore elswhere.
This year’s trade deadline saw Padres PBO A.J. Preller continue his reputation for bold moves, most notably the six-player swap that brought Mason Miller and JP Sears from the Athletics for a prospect package headlined by Leo De Vries. As one of the elite prospects in the sport, De Vries is the kind of trade chip that could start a discussion on virtually any player, and moving the young shortstop was probably necessary to convince the A’s to part with a controllable young closer like Miller. It could be that DeBartolo only would’ve budged on trading Gore if a true blue-chip young talent like De Vries was on the table, but it isn’t known if the Padres would’ve made such an offer.
The Padres ended up addressing their rotation by adding Sears and Nestor Cortes (who was activated today from the 60-day injured list) in separate trades, while dealing Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek to the Royals for catcher Freddy Fermin. Impending free agent Dylan Cease was also heavily discussed in trade talks, and given San Diego’s interest in Sandy Alcantara and now Gore, Preller seemed to be exploring a scenario that would’ve seen Cease head elsewhere in one trade while another frontline pitcher with more control was added in another swap. Given all of the moving parts in this two-pronged plan, the trade with the Athletics may have been the relatively simpler solution, as the Padres were able to instead focus their resources on bolstering their already excellent bullpen.
Gore is under arbitration control through the 2027 season, and there has already been speculation that he might not be a long-term candidate to remain in Washington. Scott Boras is Gore’s agent, for one, but there’s also the possibility that the Nationals may not be ready to truly contend during Gore’s remaining two years, so trading him would be a logical move to add more pieces to the next competitive Nats roster. More rumors about Gore’s availability figure to swirl for months, though that will be a decision for whomever the Nationals hire as their next full-time president of baseball ops.
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Your posts usually are! Good day, Cap
Was just kidding Gywnning! You guys won the trading deadline getting Mason Miller, no worries! Congratulations by the way! I hear Miller might start next season? Lmk.
Is this what happens when you’re broke and still try to compete?
Who’s broke?
Some of the troll for sure.
The nationals may be feeling empty after trading gore. He has been terrible in three of his last four starts. His trade value is cratering.
Only preller
Hol’ up… let me get this straight.
The Padres trade Gore away along with a haul of prospects to acquire Soto only to try and then give the Nationals ANOTHER haul of prospects for the prospect they traded?
Are we sure Preller knows what he’s doing?
Preller doesn’t know what he’s doing – but he’s had job security, and that gives some people the illusion that he does.
Preller is in charge of the team that sells out the ballpark almost all of the time and the team is in their winningest stretch over any 5+ year period.
Those two things equate to being the most successful the team has ever been.
People criticizing Preller have to discount those two very important points to make their case.
PadrePapi, add that the small market Padres have went from a team that received a revenue sharing check to one that pays every year.
Record revenue for the franchise
Record winning for the franchise
Record attendance for the franchise
Yup, Preller has no clue what he is doing.
And based on the last 8 months of posts, without “financial flexibility” – LOL!
@web he’s still paying Eric Hosmer and is trying to trade for guys that he traded away (he went after Trea Turner as a free agent too). So no. He has no idea what he’s doing. But he sure has hoodwinked this fanbase that came from nowhere in the last 5 years
Also tried to trade Craig Kimbrel to WAS for Trea Turner back in 2015!
All I know is I would have been happy getting just abrams and gore. They also gave up wood, who is a special player. All this for a player that ended up being traded to the Yankees.
Winning team. Sellout parties every game, even Monday nights. I mean, how dare that small media market team anyway!?
The Padre Envy in the comments here is at an all-time high
Nobody cares about selling out every game.
Pros and cons regarding Preller.
Pros – he drafts well and is gutsy to make some of the trades he does.
Cons – the trades he makes.
His moves look good on paper initially but ultimately they don’t result in a visit to the series. He’s got guts, but maybe becoming a bit more tactical would get him to the next level.
Ask the fan base of every other team that sits on its prospects or does nothing at deadline or Free Agency to try and put a competitive team on the field / sold out game, increased fun of watching a winning team throughout the year if they would like their GM to make the efforts.
A. How did they work out for the Yankees?
B. What you would have been happy with is about the most irrelevant factor in the equation because you don’t work for the National front office.
C. Considering you not only have no idea what other competitive offers had to be beat and even more, you don’t even recognize that this was the reality of the situation is why you can’t comprehend what you don’t understand.
Those ignoring how revenue impacts payroll you mean?
Brew – on the post about NY looking to sign Maeda, I just want to know where all of these clowns are and why they aren’t bashing NY for trading away King and Thorpe (now known as a Dylan Cease) and standby Vasquez. I mean really, the Yankees wouldn’t need Maeda if they had not have traded for Soto! They wouldn’t even have had to spend on Max.
Forgot the free agent signings/extensions! (Hosmer, Darvish, etc.)
@LTC Lots of Yankees fans hate on the Soto trade. Some of them even refer to it as the “Trent Grisham trade.” I prefer the “Core Jackson trade.”
so true LT.
Yet things could be even better if Preller didn’t mortgage the farm. But he did and the Padres are still the dodgers stepchild. Have fun with that Bogarts contract btw
Since the 2020-2021 offseason it would be hard to name a trade that has turned out bad for Preller and the Padres.
So far, the Padres are ahead on the Soto/Bell trade with the Nationals. That is not debatable. The Padres have received more WAR from the players involved and they have won more games. There are 5 more seasons to go before any decision can be made on the final outcome of that trade because of the team control of two of the players they got for Soto from the Yankees. The Nationals will probably come out on the winning end of that trade, but not by much and it will take them years, years of losing games while the Padres are winning.
Mets are paying Bobby Bonilla until he is 72 years old. Dodgers have a few guys they will be paying into their 40’s / 50’s – all well after they are done playing.
Don’t act like there aren’t dozens of other teams paying dozens of guys after they are gone or retired as part of your reasoning. It makes you look uninformed or worse.
@websoulsurfer As others have pointed out, the WAR difference is more-or-less the same actually. Although it is also correct to say the WAR sent out is more heavily skewed towards 2024-25 than the WAR brought back. Nothing Dylan Cease or Michael King do after 2025 counts towards that end even if the Padres end up keeping one or both unless they accept the QO.
Juan Soto was worth 1.7 WAR for the Padres in 2022 and they finished 3 games ahead of the Brewers and won the season series. So without Soto maybe they fall to the 3rd Wild Card but still make the playoffs.
No Soto trade and Preller could have traded prospects/post-prospects not named Abrams, Gore and Wood for pitching after 2022. Cease probably still happens, for instance, just with a different headliner, possibly Lesko or Snelling. Michael King probably doesn’t happen because the Yankees never wanted to trade him to begin with but there were absolutely other pitchers he could have signed or trade for.
Abrams, Gore and Wood were worth 5.3 WAR in 2024. Kinda sounds like they would have helped the Padres make it.
The two trades they made with the Pirates at the 2021 and 2023 deadlines turned out pretty bad. Adam Frazier did nothing for SD and they could have used Jack Suwinski in 2023. Even if he has fallen off a cliff since then.
Lastly I thought you were an Angels fan. What is this “we” nonsense?
Cam
Preller doesn’t know what he’s doing
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That’s a good way of putting it, and not altogether a bad strategy. Stable management sounds good, but flexibility is underrated.
“Are we sure Preller knows what he’s doing?”
Yes
“The Padres trade Gore away along with a haul of prospects to acquire Soto only to try and then give the Nationals ANOTHER haul of prospects for the prospect they traded?”
This doesn’t matter in the slightest.
That a team traded for a star OF one season and then a young blossoming SP a few years later Isn’t weird at all
Just happens in this instance to be the same player.
The Dodgers, for example, let Kiké Hernandez sign with the Red Sox. Then traded for him. Then won a WS with him
Making an example of Kik’e returning to the Dodgers is lame. Hernandez wasn’t a Dodger prospect. He wasn’t traded to the Red Sox. He signed there as a FA. Ki’ke wasn’t a Dodger prospect. What my man is saying is that Preller looks stupid trying to reacquire a prospect that was already with the team. I agree 100% with his statement You’re ki’ke example is ignorant and foolish, just like the GM from down south.
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Kiké and Gore are both players that left one team and then the team attempted to require them (The Dodgersc were successful. The Padres were not).
There’s nothing stupid about that.
Much stupider, IMO, to think there is something stupid about it.
The Padres look stupid for the Juan Soto deal. They basically got Michael King for all of those budding stars.
And Dylan Cease, a year of one of the top C’s Higgy, a guy in Vazquez that has had a lot of quality starts with control, Brito (yet to be seen), but ok, you change the facts to fit your vision.
Not to mention a deep run with a NLCS which that is the actual goal of a trade – increase odds of going deeper than you would have gone without the trade.
BC
“They basically got Michael King for all of those budding stars.”
Uh, no?
They also, you know, at minimum, got Juan Soto.
Is that how you’re going to spin it? They rented Soto for two seasons and got nothing from it. Then they had to trade him away either because they couldn’t afford him or he didn’t want to be there. Meanwhile, at least three of the players they traded for him are going to be stars in this league. It was a terrible trade for the Padres. One of the worst in history.
BC
“Is that how you’re going to spin it?”
Is that how who’s going to spin what?
It is 100% a fact that the Padres got Soto in that trade
Saying that they only got King is the misrepresentation.
Had the Padres won the WS, it would have been well worth it… That didn’t happen. At least they went for it.
Cease trade still happens without Soto just with a different headliner. Robby Snelling perhaps.
Gore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez
Higashioka was alright but not “one of the top C’s”
@JuanUribeJazzHands Juan Soto is a Met.
JDDTR
Juan Soto was a Padre for 214 games and 936 PAs
It’s absurd to say that all the Padres got from the trade was Michael King.
It was still one of the worst trades in MLB history, Mr. quotation marks.
The Padres won after the trade. They won that season. Then they traded Soto and got Cease, King, Vasquez, Higgy, and Brito. For the Padres it was a GREAT trade.
BC
“It was still one of the worst trades in MLB history, ”
I haven’t said anything about that and don’t really care about that
It’s absurd to say that all the Padres got was Michael King is the point that I’m discussing.
“ Cease trade still happens without Soto just with a different headliner. Robby Snelling perhaps.”
Then we don’t get Tanner Scott and Brian Hoeing
See when you play revisionist history you screw up other deals they made. Which is why you don’t play revisionist history.
1.4 WAR with 17 hrs in 84 games – he didn’t get the primary job until Campy got hit on wrist. Pretty much speaks for itself for how well he produced.
“The Padres look stupid for the Juan Soto deal. They basically got Michael King for all of those budding stars.”
That is certainly the stupidest comment on this site today.
Obviously, the Padres got Juan Soto and Josh Bell in that trade initially. That season they went to the NLCS, something that would not have happened without Soto.
Then a year and a half later they got King, Vasquez, Higgy, Brito and the main piece in the trade that brought them Cease.
So “basically” they got Soto, Bell, King, Vasquez, Higashioka, Brito, and Cease in that trade. 21.1 WAR of performance so far, Vasquez and Brito are under team control through 2030, and the Padres will get two 4th round draft picks for King and Cease after giving them a Qualifying Offer.
@69th rounder, 420th HOFer Bryan Hoeing has pitched 8 innings this year for an astouding WAR of 0.1. Tanner Scott is a Dodger. Big whup.
Still made it to the nlds riding their arms last season to the tune of 93 wins.
Been a while since Red Sox actually mattered, since their cheating scandal actually.
While you hate your GMs decisions ours have given us chances since 2020. And they look likely to contend next year. Womp womp
CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood, Robert Hassell III, Jairo Iriarte and Steven Wilson (if you count Dylan Cease then I’m including the last 2) have also been worth 21.1 WAR in the majors since the first Soto trade went down. And are cheaper and controlled longer. Bartolo’s comment was fine. Yours, not so much.
Since the trades that sent them out of SD* went down.
Most baseball fans would rather just have CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood back.
Oh. And Juan Soto tanked in the 2022 NLDS. .485 OPS. The Padres still make the NLCS without him.
Because the Nationals have won what? The guy who traded for them and the guy who managed them are both gone.
Gore was heading to the Marlins in a 3-team if anything for Alcantra.
Why would the Marlins want Gore? To make sure the Nats don’t catch them in the standings?
The Soto trade is the only reason the Nats aren’t worse than the Rockies right now.
The players they sent out for Soto and Cease have produced 21.1 WAR for their new teams and are cheaper and controlled longer. You also assume that Preller wouldn’t have signed or traded for other SPs if it were for the Soto trade.
Think I’d rather have Abrams, Gore and Wood than a couple of 4th/5th round sandwich picks, thanks.
Why can’t fans of either or any team see this objectively? It’s not always bad to trade prospects. In this case it was bad because 3 of 4 of them became cheap centerpiece superstars. The padres can’t be expected to know that 100% and should get credit for scouting them, but should also do better not to trade away superstars, in hindsight. The only way it can be argued they got what they were paying for, would be if they had won it all, it was a go all in move that came up empty, and that low probability outcome of the trophy should be weighed in. It’s nice they found Michael king to soften the blow, but that’s nothing like 3 stars creating a 6 year contention window. They’re fine this year but they’re constantly paying just to stay up there, instead of holding the cards
936 ABs?! How did I not know that? Hang the banner
Woods, Abrams, and Gore have combined for 20.5 WAR for the nats and still have 10 years of control so… probably not your strongest argument
Abrams, Gore, and Woods have combined for 20.5 WAR for the nats and still have a collective 10 years of control so… not your strongest argument
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“936 ABs?! How did I not know that? ”
I will explain like you are five.
One of the mental giants commenting here said that all the Padres got for Wood, Gore and Abrams was Michael King.
Somehow ignoring the time that Soto played for the Padres.
“Hang the banner”
Oh, you’re this kind of [commenter]
Just have to ask: would you rather be the Nats or the Padres for the past 3 years.
Michael King is not all they got dude – wake up.
What 6 year contention window? Considering it’s been 3 seasons now, they are not even looking remotely in contention in 25 so, what are you talking about?
Soto got 8.0 during his time with Pads – go ahead, add up all of the others, I dare you.
Control of prospects is always the trade for right now going for it – nothing new.
Why not make the argument that NY should never have traded for Soto instead? It’s easier.
“Michael King is not all they got dude – wake up.”
This.
This is the [stupidest] argument.
@LTC If we grant that the Padres are better set up now than the Nationals are, will you admit that the Padres would be set up even better (and the Nats even worse) if the Soto trade never happened?
@LTC We have. The difference in WAR between what the Padres brought in and what they gave up is marginal and the players they gave up are cheaper and have more club control.
Well, no because of all of the sold out games, the NLCS $$ and fun of being there, the fact that King and Cease are set to make another run in 2025.
@LTC Once again, Preller would have made other moves to sign/trade for SP’s if not for the Soto trade. Probably don’t get Michael King specifically but Dylan Cease was absolutely doable.
The “sold out games, NLCS $$ and fun of being there” have no bearing on how well the San Diego Padres are set up in August 2025. The fans will come out as long as the team is winning anyway. And the hefty majority of a team’s revenue comes from TV money not ticket sales.
Yet you don’t seem to realize how the Bally fiasco took all of the SD TV money down the drain.
Real facts.
And if he had traded those same prospects for different pitching how would that have changed the narrative that you are spewing – it’s just not Soto involved and his impact on fan base but the same prospects are gone.
Time for you to be clueless without me.
You’re the clueless one if you seriously think Preller couldn’t have made other trades for pitching if not for Soto.
It wouldn’t be the same prospects being gone. Keep Abrams, Gore and Wood and trade Hassell, Susana, Zavala, Iriarte, Wilson, Snelling, Lesko, Pauley and Mazur for pitching. Easy and simple.
@Jud Don’t bother with Longtimecoming. He’s the guy who said 2 years ago that Matt Carpenter would decline his player option and that trading Blake Snell away would ruin any chance the Padres might have had of signing him. So maybe he should reconsider who is “clueless” here, LOL!
@Drasco0366…
Who exactly was talking about Matt Chapman?
The Padres didn’t re-sign Snell because they didn’t have room in their budget. Would have been the same regardless of whether or not they traded him. Longtimeunknowing said that trading Snell would be the difference between him signing with SD and signing elsewhere.
Only good players Nats have came from SD. Sure like to know with high draft picks every year where our drafted players are.
Typically, teams don’t trade away their prized prospects and then attempt to reacquire them a few years later.
And because they haven’t gone to the World Series with Preller at the helm, again, are we sure he knows what he’s doing?
Give it 3-4 years, maybe they’ll be looking at trading back for De Vries.
sr15
“Typically, teams don’t trade away their prized prospects and then attempt to reacquire them a few years later.”
So? Atypical doesn’t mean bad.
“Give it 3-4 years, maybe they’ll be looking at trading back for De Vries.”
Maybe
“And because they haven’t gone to the World Series with Preller at the helm, again, are we sure he knows what he’s doing?”
Seems like a dumb way to judge whether an F/O knows what they are doing? Can only two F/O’s a year know that they are doing? I don’t think so.
@sedona
Preller constantly has new pieces in his “dead” farm system to add to his major league roster, and that roster is working on its fourth playoff appearance in six seasons.
I’m glad the Pads didn’t work out a deal for Gore, since he’ll be a Boras free agent in two seasons. But ask Mike Rizzo how much he thinks Preller knows what he’s doing.
Happens all the time. Every seasons some team trades for a player that used to be part of their team.
In this case, Heyman is full of it. Preller went out and did exactly the 3 things he said he would do before the deadline. He said that he would get bats, improve the bullpen, and if possible, acquire an upgrade at catcher. The results, 2 big bats, a reliever no thought was even available, and a catcher. Laureano, O’Hearn, Miller, Fermin. Sears and Cortes were throw-ins to provide back of the rotation depth because he traded away the Padres 5th and 6th starters.
Ask Mike Rizzo…
Mike got fired after sustained losing and general franchise malaise and ineptitude.
Preller is so good at identifying outstanding amateur talent that he can trade away valuable prospects every year.
Preller is leading a perennial contender.
Rizzo is trying out his favorite lawn chairs.
Preller values proven MLB talent over prospects. He puts competitive teams together now and worries about the future later. There is a method to his madness and most Padres fans like it.
Why do these people even try to follow baseball and then attempt to discuss baseball in a rational manner when they are so very bad at it, whiffing right and left ?? Maybe cars racing around in circles is more their style. Something a little less nuanced and straight forward for their tastes. Maybe WWE.
And Gore has not been that special. How about trade for Devries lol
@VegasSDfan How is 3.80 ERA and on pace for 4.2 WAR “not that special????????”
Gore has definitely cooled from his huge start. The huge drop in K’s stands out the most:
Mar/Apr – 13.0 K/9
May – 13.8 K/9
June – 8.2 K/9
July – 7.1 K/9
It’s weird to go from essentially the top of MLB starters or right there with them in strikeouts to league average in that short of a span.
That said, if they could have flipped Cease for a prospect or two and sent those to the Nats along with some other prospects that would have been amazing.
What it would have done is make Preller look (more) stupid for trading him in the first place.
How bout this trade – the Padres would only have to give up Juan Soto i think – for – McKenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, James Wood, and Robert Hassell III. Think they would go for it?
Oh and that trade helped solidify sold out stadium for years now. There is value in that.
Maybe if you’re a casual
If only our Pobres would ever have the draft positioning to acquire these types of talents…
So you want the Padres… to be worse? Didn’t we suffer through enough losing seasons for like… forever until 2019-ish?? Are you not happy as a perennial contender nowadays??? Blink twice if you’re having a brain aneurysm, walls!
Over your head yet again, huh, Rymming?
I’ve never heard of a padres fan that wanted to go back to that 2015-2019 disaster era
It’s because he’s not a fan, sad, yet continually posts with a sarcastic undertone that maintains that he actually *is* a fan. Strange shtick if you ask me… but whatevers!
Go Pads… and M’s for that matter! Let’s dance in October 😎🤙🏼
Lmao and Preller defenders say they won the Soto trade.
I think I’m the biggest Preller defender on this site (I could be wrong, so I’ll settle as “one” of the biggest) …and they’d clearly “lost” the Soto trade, imo. I’d much rather have Wood, CJ, Gore, Jarlin than the run we made with Soto. I “blame” Seidler for the Soto trade though, and therefore chalk it up to history, Harambe. Doesn’t matter what we think, the deed was done.
Agree. It was an overpay.
As a dodgers fan, I often wonder why fans of other teams get upset when a team goes all in.
Is it because their team has never done it that way, so they can’t understand it. Are they jealous the GM and owner try their best? Because I hear a lot of “gotcha!” and “I told you so!” from fans of teams that aren’t winning.
Padres tried their butts off to win a world series. They came damn close, and would have also beaten the Yankees last year if they made it. Then everyone would be pissed their team didn’t trade and try like the Padres.
They hate on the dodgers because of the payroll, and income the team has, and I get that.
But the Padres? They are technically a smaller market team doing their very best every chance they get, and I respect them for that. And as long as they fall one game short of the dodgers, I’m happy.
You can’t win if you don’t try.
*hat tip*
Thanks for respecting our perspective, ADF. Cheers amigo, you’re one of the greats.
Every year, you’ve got about ten teams opening their season with no shot of competing. There’s only so much complaining that their respective fans can do about their team. It’s a lot of hopeless, coping fans out there trying to drag other teams and their fans down.
Colorado was a historically bad team. But in a year or two they should be good.
Pirates fans are in a bad spot because their business model relies on being cheap and getting paid by revenue sharing.
Ray’s and Brewers find their best way to win, and just beat up the dodgers (Brewers, not rays).
Cardinals used to be that team, but in unsure of their working philosophy these days.
The Marlins won a couple world championships while tearing down their team in between those championships. Admittedly a tough way to do things but they have two championships.
You can’t win if your don’t try.
Aloha bradduh! BTW at the time of the Soto trade I was made at my Cubs. Supposedly your Padres and the Cubs fo had discussed a possible trade of Ian Happ and Willson Contreras. There could have been more included. Anyhow, after the ASG the Nats say that Soto is available and the rest is history. I thought Happ and Contreras could have helped your Padres more and for much cheaper than 2.5 years of Soto. Look at the trade for Tucker. Nothing against him but for a 1 year rental, the fo gave up a ton and as you said about the Padres losing on that Soto deal, the Cubs may lose big on the Tucker. We’ll see. Our division is tough as Milwaukee has the better pitching. At least your Padres added some strong reinforcements, especially with Miller! Love that guy! Mahalo Nui!
E komo mai, kg! Jump ship and get on the Padres’ bandwagon, haha! Aloha, malama pono cuz
Another Dodgers Fan
I often wonder why fans of other teams get upset when a team goes all in.
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A lot of fans are still BB fans. It’s okay to both agree and disagree with what teams do. I’m not sure fans are upset that SD ‘went all-in’ so much as they thought it was a really bad trade.
I’m a Padre fan since Westgate Park pre 1969, also a baseball junky in general and felt highly mixed emotions in both the first and second Soto trades, as well as what went down a few days ago at the trade deadline. It would take me about 20 paragraphs (and I’ll spread you all) to explain what I like/don’t like about this small media market/big fanbase and big payroll team taking high stakes but measured risks vs excitement of going for it. Usually when teams in sports go for it, it’s a one time thing, but with AJ Preller and the culture put in place by the late Peter Seidler, they’ve made going for it a perpetual strategy that seems to have some effectiveness because of great scouting and talent evaluation/recruitment in the system combined with a strong mutual agreement between ownership and fans to support this team.
Trading the farm works so long as a team has the ability to continuously acquire good prospects, or if the team doesn’t care about money.
I find it almost impossible to believe that Preller keeps the pipeline going, but so far has has.
Well said, @adf!
Which one? The trade that brought Soto to San Diego or the trade of Soto to the Yankees? Because it’s sort of a wash at this point.
Not a wash at all anyone would rather have Abrams, Gore and Wood than King, Vasquez and Brito.
LFTSS619
“Not a wash at all anyone would rather have Abrams, Gore and Wood than King, Vasquez and Brito.”
But that’s not whole trade
Why do people want to pretend that, especially, Soto doesn’t exist?
My guess is for the same reason people want to pretend that CJ Abrams and MacKenzie Gore are “Just OK.” Or that Drew Thorpe was the only player they sent out for Dylan Cease. Or that A. J. Preller would not have signed/traded for other starting pitchers were it not for the Soto trade. Or that Dylan Cease/Michael King/Luis Arraez are going to stay in San Diego for half of what the market offers this winter.
LFGSD
They aren’t smart?
Where was he going to sign two pitchers of King and Cease’s caliber and stay under budget? He would have had to get other arms so they could play, but no way they’d be the same level of what they got by moving Soto. You have to trade good pieces to get good pieces.
I forget what trade deadline show they said it on, but some analyst said Preller doesn’t look at these trades like math equations that have to equal out. He just cares about addressing his teams current needs and is unafraid to give up talent to do it. I don’t agree with every move he’s made and there have been some bad misses, but they’re on track to be back in the playoffs for the 4th time in 6 years.
@Herc33 Cease trade probably still happens just with someone like Robby Snelling as the headliner instead of Drew Thorpe. And then if they don’t sign Bogaerts they can use some of that money to keep Blake Snell in San Diego.
@uribe
THIS! The Padres had a generational player and made a significant playoff run. You could still even argue that the Padres lost the trade! But leaving out the impact of Soto is just dishonest.
If Snelling goes to Chicago then he can’t go to Miami, so they don’t get Tanner Scott for the playoff run last year and Hoeing for the future.
And Xander signed the year before they traded Soto to NYY so you can’t go back and undo that signing at that point to get more money to sign pitchers for ‘24. At the time they traded Soto there was no other way to rebuild their rotation for ‘24.
You’re not evaluating these deals with the context of the moment they were entered into, you’re looking at them hindsight 20/20 and then some because you want to go back in time and change the position they were in when they made the deals by un-doing previous deals we know didn’t turn out well.
Then we don’t get Scott and Hoeing I’m ok with that!
That’s my point. Hindsight 20/20 you’re fine with not getting Scott now because you know we didn’t win the WS last year.
At the time it made sense to get him to strengthen the bullpen for the pennant chase because they were close to pulling it off. If we’d been able to score some runs the last 2 games of the NLDS you might be signing a different tune. Scott threw in 5 playoff games and didn’t allow a run. For all we know, the NLDS isn’t as close without him.
Might not need him if CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood are still here.
Another thing to note is Dylan Cease’s playoff performance. Maybe he does better this year but if not then maybe missing out on him wouldn’t have been such a bad thing after all.
But we wouldn’t *know* all that if we didn’t try, Harambe. Your whataboutisms and hindsight just don’t work in the realm of reality. Would we better today without a Soto trade? Maybe. Just maybe. But reality *is* we made seriously deep playoff runs… and yes, did come up short… but we tried, right?
Padres would be leading the NL West by double digits right now if they never traded for Juan Soto.
I can see that will remain your opinion, and that’s fine. I *somewhat* feel the same, but I don’t linger on it. Peter got what Peter wanted, and maybe Peter even extends or re-signs Soto. We’ll never know. Gotta move on, but perhaps some elements of fun to revisit through some ‘revisionist history’… cheers all!
If you think that going all in in 2022 was worth losing Wood and friends then that’s fine but to say that we would be worse off now if we never made that trade or that trading for Juan Soto and then flipping him for starting pitching was the only way Preller would have been able to acquire starting pitching or that we would have had to trade those dudes later on anyway is… well for lack of a better word, just ludicrous.
Oh. And I am aware that you specifically never said that.
If we never traded for Soto, Preller would have done something else… like (hindsight glasses on: OVERPAY) trade for Sandy Alcantara or Luis Castillo for example… we all know who AJ likes. Just keep restocking the farm and Preller has Carte Blanc to run his team however he does, as long as we can dance every year, keep rowing the boat AJ. IMHO. Cheers brah, all good!
LFGSD
LFGSD619
“Padres would be leading the NL West by double digits right now if they never traded for Juan Soto.”
That’s impossible to know, of course.
But that is how those kinds of trades usually work. You trade away future wins for current wins.
@Juan Well according to Pads Fans/websoulsurfer (or whatever he’s calling himself on this thread) and Longtimecoming the Padres did not trade away future wins for current wins and if you won’t let them be right.
and they mute you* if you won’t let them be right.
Eff um. People are strange, Harambe. Cheers!
Hey you two, I miss the gorilla and the chicken, consider a resurrection in the future?
I changed my pic when the other Chicken came around, haha! I didn’t want any general confusion… besides, he’s a solid dude too. Informed Sports Fan or something like that…
Gore’s results are just ok. He is an average SP.
Padres pitching coaches better than Nationals + Padres could use even this version of Gore if they are trotting out dudes like JP Sears.
No dispute that Gore is a bonafide SP. Just not an ace, on a good team anyway.
Would Gore make the Padres starting 5 today?
Yes
6 scoreless against the Giants yesterday. Guess who the Padres start a series against today.
Lfg, you missed Soto and Bell which is who the Padres traded for, not King, et al. That is a huge omission as they were the #1 and #5 hitters in baseball at the time of the trade by wRC+.
Obviously Preller and the Padres ownership preferred having Soto and Bell to having Abrams, Gore, and Wood because they made the trade so your statement is categorically incorrect.
Padres swept the Giants giving up a total of 3 runs in 3 games.
Gore has a 4.09 ERA and would not start in place of Cease, King, Pivetta, or Darvish. Vasquez has been better at run prevention than Gore and he is in AAA. Cortes seems to be their #5 starter and in his 2 starts fire them has a 2.89 ERA.
I don’t see any way that Gore would not be playing in AAA on the Padres team as it is now constituted.
On a Last place team like the Nationals, Gore is a #2 starter. On a contending team he is at best a #5 starter.
I know that you are, like, required to delusionally defend A. J. Preller and any move he makes, but there isn’t a team in baseball that wouldn’t take MacKenzie Gore right now.
Gore’s ERA will not be above 4 when the season ends and Yu Darvish and Dylan Cease both have higher ERAs than Gore right now. So one of them can get sent down to AAA/traded.
Update: King injured. Again.
“Gore has a 4.09 ERA and would not start in place of Cease, King, Pivetta, or Darvish. Vasquez has been better at run prevention than Gore and he is in AAA. Cortes seems to be their #5 starter and in his 2 starts fire them has a 2.89 ERA.
I don’t see any way that Gore would not be playing in AAA on the Padres team as it is now constituted.”
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As seems typical for you, there is nothing of substance in your post. Nothing that even attempts to refute my now 5 week old post. Just more trolling. I can see why no Padres fans interact with you and you never get any likes.
Would have been nice to see him on a real team. Free Gore!
Leave Al Gore alone. He’s still tracking down manbearpig.
Excelsior! *flies away*
Glad they didn’t…
I can’t quit you
Headline in 2028: Padres made real run at Leo De Vries
I am going to call B.S. on that rumor from Heyman. The Padres GM told everyone what he was going to do before the deadline. He said he was going to gets 2 bats with at least one being a RHB, improve the bullpen, and if possible add a catcher. He got two bats with one being a RH power hitter, one of the best controllable relief pitchers, and a solid defensive catcher.
For more clarity on this and why i agree with you; Gore is arb eligible for the first time this winter and a trade to a legit contender probably would boost the raise this winter. Oh and Gore is represented by Scott Boras, hence Heyman spreading the story
Gore was arb eligible last winter. Abrams is the one who is 1st time arb eligible this winter.
Would Salas and every single other top 10 organizational prospect be enough for gore? I wonder if this interest was before or after the miller trade
Didn’t they trade Gore in the first place… hmmm… how did Soto pay off for them? They just dumped him on the Yankees, didn’t they?
I will never understand their front office… just like the Mets who unloaded Verlander and Scherzer and cried for pitching the next two years and they sign this clown Montas.
They got 3 starting pitchers out of “dumping” him on the Yankees. Went to the playoffs in 2022 with Soto then all the pitchers they got for him took them to the playoffs in ‘24. Looks like they’re heading back in ‘25.
Playoffs for 3 out of 4 of the next seasons after the deal but people act like that trade was malpractice. Don’t hold your breath for the Nats to make the playoffs before Gore is a FA.
@Herc33 They still make the playoffs all 3 years without the Soto trade and are better positioned today.
LFGSD619
“They still make the playoffs all 3 years without the Soto trade ”
Impossible to know, of course.
Even if your could, total hindsight.
Having Soto for 2022 and 2023 increased the Padres’ chances of making the playoffs and succeeding in the playoffs (no, they did not win the World Series – no one player causes a team to win or lose a single game, let alone a series or make or miss the playoffs – that’s absurd thinking).
To completely ignore that Soto was a Padre for that time is isane, or dishonest, or stupid as [heck].
Acting like Preller wouldn’t have made other trades or signings for starting pitching if not for the Soto trade or that Abrams, Gore and Wood wouldn’t have developed to the same level if they were still in San Diego or that Cease, King and Arraez are going to sign with SD on the cheap are also all of those things.
LFGSD619
“are also all of those things.”
Who is “acting like” that?
Me? I haven’t mentioned any of those things
Except that we cannot know how Abrams, Gore and Wood would have developed – because we don’t. But I’m not talking about that.
The only thing I’m talking about is that it is 100% absurd to say that the only thing that the Padres got for Abrams, Gore and Wood was Michael King.
I’m saying that because it is absurd.
Why are you mentioning all of these other things in reply to me?
Pads Fans (or whichever account he happens to be signed into at the moment) and Longtimecoming for two.
You have a poibt. They got there without Soto. Maybe a could trade off, but:
1. The Padres only had a year and a half left on the Soto trade. Why trade him when they got the NLCS with him? They acted like this was a big salary dump, but then they added more players to offset that theory.
2. I agree that one player doesn’t win you a World Series but they got farther with Soto in the postseason then without.
My biggest thing was they called it a salary dump when it really wasn’t. Now they’re asking for the same players back? You don’t trade a strong pitching prospect if you trade a big hitter as a salary dump. Nirmally that’s what you get back. Completely contradictory.
We will see how far they get this year
Still shocked by devries trade. He has potential to be next tatis/acuna/soto/julio that kinda level talent
Padres have no farm left. Traded anyone with talent & their “top” prospect is 18 & has missed the entire season with injury. Somehow i think sd will refresh their system quickly. They always do somehow
Don’t get to attached to this year’s draft signings. They will be traded within the next 12 months. Preller isn’t into player development. Let the other teams do that.
I don’t think DeVries has that kind of upside. I definitely don’t think he’ll be the next Tatis.
When Tatis was 18 in A-ball (same age & level) he .281/.390/.520 with 21 HR’s.
DeVries has hit .245/.357/.410 with 8 HR’s. The season isn’t over so he should hit a few more homeruns but that is a lot less power, .239 iso vs .165.
I think the chances of him hurting anything remotely like James Wood are pretty darn slim. Wood had already shown the beast mode before being dealt:
2021 (18) – .372/.465/.535 (101 PA)
2022 (19) – .337/.453/.601 (236 PA)
In a lot of years DeVries wouldn’t be considered a #3 prospect having a good not great year at that age.
This is correct. He has also made a lot of errors. He could still develop into a superstar but isn’t on the same level as those goes yet.
I agree. There were some Padre fans in here that thought he was the best prospect in the world and that would be in the pros sometime in 2026. I didn’t think he was much better than Franklin Arias for my RS.
@papi
James wood didnt play A+ ball until age 20
Devries is in A+ at 18
Also i think moving from sd to a’s is a big advantage for him offensively, he was a great prospect with padres, personally i think he’s #1 now that he’s with a’s
Desperately wanted this kid in a Red Sox uniform this year.
Sounds like Cease was only available for an astronomical price that would have been partially packaged up in an offer for Gore.
Sounds like Cease was “available” the same way Noah Syndergaard was available in 2019. Brodie Van Wagenen was asking for Tatis and (not or) Gore for him.
Preller is a wild card. As a fan I love it.
For the last 5 years I’ve heard the farm is dead and they won’t be able to get anyone. Yet every year they seem to get a high profile player.
Preller restocks the farm fairly quickly because he doesn’t just do it via the draft. He is constantly bringing in talent internationally. A lot of the prospects (some had got a cup of coffee in the bigs) have been very good mlb players. This also makes other teams more likely to trade with the padres. The only issue maybe that they get a little extra from Preller because they know he will do what it takes to get a player he wants.
Honestly love Preller’s energy even though like half of his bigtime trades are absolute duds lol
Aj Preller does not know how to put a winning team together. Baseball is like golf it’s a slow game. Let your prospects spend the time in the minor league to develop. Aj Preller has cost the team many young prospects that turned into stars time and time again. Just on the Soto trade alone we lost a starting Caliber shortstop we lost a All star caliber LF in James woods not to mention Mac Gore who is a front line starter all for 1 player that everyone knew you could not resign that’s why the nationals trade him and Preller was to stupid to understand that. Don’t forget the other bad trades too. Why do you think the Dodgers are so good. They keep their young talent and let them develop while buying top notch pitching.
San Diego will never win a world series with Preller driving the car.
In a matter of weeks after the 2020 season Preller dealt a ton of prospects to acquire Blake Snell, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove. Snell and Darvish had three years of control, Musgrove had two.
Here we are closing ih oh Five seasons later and we’re still waiting for any of those prospects to provide any value. And yes, he did reacquire a couple of those previously coveted pitching prospects for free
They got a CY from Snell, the first franchise no hitter from Musgrove and some good years from Darvish who all played big roles in the team winning lots of games.
They have never had a 5+ year stretch where they have won as many games as they have right now in their 56 year history. This nonsense about Preller not knowing how to put together a winning team is asinine. If they make the playoffs this year that will be the 4th time on 6 years… for a franchise that struggled having consecutive winning seasons, that’s damn near holy grail territory
Bednar? Caissie?
MacKensie Gore greatest SP in the world, sporting a career ERA of 4.10 and a WHIP 1.40. But this year his ERA is even lower at 3.80, about the same as Randy Vasquez, who the Pares just sent to El Paso
Vasquez can’t get out of the 5th inning and is done for the season. Check the difference in WAR.
Gore’s ERA will be lower after game 162.
See below. I wasn’t suggesting Vasquez was as good a pitcher as Gore, I was pointing out how Gore is as good as many commenters seem to make him seem to be.
Yeah, Gore is as good as many commenters seem to make him out to be. Now you get it!
He’s a #5 SP on the Padres, as you know
Isnt. Maybe he can improve though and have a special year down the road with an ERA below 3.90, like most vets in MLB do.
Well gee, which is it? That seems like a pretty crucial conjunction.
Gore’s the greatest pitcher in the world!
And the #1 exporter of potassium?
Borat!
All other pitchers have inferior potassium.
Gore’s ERA has gone up since your post.
Brew88
“a career ERA of 4.10 and a WHIP 1.40. But this year his ERA is even lower at 3.80,”
Are you from 1988?
ERA does not come close to telling the whole story of how a pitcher has performed.
BB%
Vasquez 11%
Gore 9%
Moderate edge to Gore
K%
Vasquez 20%
Gore 26%
Decided advantage to Gore
Batted Ball Rates
All within a few percents of each other – even
FIP
Vazquez 4.98
Gore 4.89
Slight advantage Gore
xFIP
Vazquez 5.27
Gore 4.11
MASSIVE advantage Gore
SIERRA
Vazquez 4.93
Gore 4.21
Significant advantage Gore
The better the metric, the more dominant Gore is over Vazquez.
But, sure, if you want to think that Randy Vazquez is about as MacKenzie Gore – I don’t have the time or patience to attempt to convince you otherwise.
@Juan. Calm down youngster. I chose two stats, I could have listed more, more than you did. But no one is disputing that Gore is a better pitcher than Vasquez. as you’ve wasted your time trying to prove. Point being that Gore is not elite like many of the commenters above seem to suggest, and I only needed two stats to prove that. Gore is all about potential, and he tickles our infatuation with Ks. Based upon his actual performance, however, he’d be a solid #4 or #5 on the Padres over the past 3 years.
@JUJH I’m gonna call you the hammer from now on because you nailed it!
Gore zealot much?
XFIP is not useful in measuring past performance. Its based on expected stats, not what actually happened.
Stuff+ and pitching+ are among the best at showing who has the best skills right now, not results. Gore is about average with a 98 and 99 in those 2 stats. 100 is average.
Bitb
“XFIP is not useful in measuring past performance. Its based on expected stats, not what actually happened”
I hear this a lot from people who don’t have any real understanding of statistics.
xFIP is 100% based on what actually happened (actual K, BB and FB rate).
More importantly, it is a better predicter of future performance than things like ERA (which people think tells you what actually happened, but if you have an average understanding of baseball and an average amount of intelligence and think about it for a couple of seconds, you’ll see how that’s not at all true. Here’s a hint – what’s an error?) and FIP.
The ONLY way to accurately predict the future is to accurately measure the past. That xFIP is a better predicter of the future means it MUST be a better measure of the past.
If you think Stuff+ and Pitching+ are more accurate measures of ability, feel free to provide your evidence.
“xFIP finds a pitcher’s FIP, but it uses projected home-run rate instead of actual home runs allowed”. mlb.com/glossary/advanced-stats/expected-fielding-…
You are wrong.
Bitb
“You are wrong.”
Wrong.
What is your understanding of science and mathematics?
Controlling for randomness is a 100% valid technique for getting an accurate measurement.
Please address these questions.
1) How can xFIP be a better predictor of the future than ERA and FIP if it’s not a better measure of the past.
2) Do you believe that ERA and batting average measure what happened in the past? If so, what about errors?
3) You brought up Stuff+ and Pitching+. How do they compare to xFIP at predicting future performance?
His xbOFA+ is 140 though. That is a much better predictor of future performance.