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Red Sox Notes: Ryan, Alcantara, Prospects, Mayer, Slaten

By Mark Polishuk | August 3, 2025 at 4:05pm CDT

It was a relatively quiet trade deadline for the Red Sox, as Dustin May and Steven Matz were the only additions brought onto the roster for the pennant race.  However, the Sox had their eyes on plenty of bigger targets, including the team’s previously-reported pushes for the Twins’ Joe Ryan and the Marlins’ Sandy Alcantara.  WEEI’s Rob Bradford provides some details on those pursuits, saying that the Red Sox were willing to dig deep into the prospect depth to try and secure a deal.

“Anybody and everybody from the Sox’s minor league system” was available to some extent, Bradford writes.  Boston offered multiple packages that included two of Jhostynxon Garcia, Payton Tolle, and Franklin Arias as the headliners, with other names also involved from the top ten names on the club’s prospect rankings.  Since the Marlins and Twins didn’t seem to be prioritizing the addition of big league players, Red Sox officials saw Alcantara and Ryan as particularly good fits since Boston didn’t want to trade from its Major League roster.

A match didn’t happen, of course, and Bradford characterizes the talks with the Twins as somewhat one-sided on Boston’s part.  “Ultimately, Minnesota never acted, not informing the Red Sox chief decision-makers what level of offer would be needed to pull off….a move for a controllable ace starting pitcher,” Bradford writes.  USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported that the Twins actually did want some MLB-level talent, as Minnesota wanted either Jarren Duran or Wilyer Abreu in a Ryan trade package.

As much as the Twins’ deadline fire sale was about shedding payroll, Duran or Abreu are arbitration-controlled through the 2028 season.  Obtaining a controllable starting outfielder would’ve been a sign that the Twins still want to return to competitive baseball as soon as 2026, and Thursday’s stunning set of moves wasn’t the first step of a rebuild process.  The club’s other deadline moves saw multiple players with MLB experience obtained, including such names as Taj Bradley, Mick Abel, and James Outman.

Turning to the injury front, Nightengale writes that Marcelo Mayer could be facing a season-ending wrist surgery, as the rookie infielder’s “sprained wrist is more serious than the Red Sox initially envisioned.”  Mayer was placed on the 10-day IL a little over a week ago and he recently received an injection in his wrist to help with the healing process.

Speaking with MassLive.com’s Sean McAdam and other reporters, Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow didn’t rule out the possibility of surgery.  For now, the hope is that the injection “gives him the best chance to be back on the field this season.  It’s a credit to him to try to do anything he can to get back.”

Mayer has hit .228/.272/.402 over his first 136 plate appearances in the Show.  While not a standout performance, it isn’t unexpected for a player to need time to adjust to the majors, plus it helps that a healthy Mayer would be a luxury at this point for a crowded Red Sox infield.  Now that Alex Bregman is back from the IL and Ceddanne Rafaela has moved into regular second-base duty, the team’s everyday lineup is pretty set, so Mayer might only be in line for a bench role if he is able to get back to action.

One player whose return seems a little more likely is Justin Slaten, though Breslow warned that “it’s hard to put a timetable on it given the topsy-turvy nature of the recovery to date.”  Slaten hasn’t pitched since May 28 due to right shoulder inflammation, though as the reliever told Bradford and company, he was also dealing with a nerve issue related to his transverse bone.

That problem has now been corrected, and Slaten’s restarted throwing progression hit another checkpoint with a bullpen session on Saturday.  The Sox will continue with a more gradual build-up and a minor league rehab assignment will surely be necessary given how much time Slaten has missed.  If all goes well, Slaten feels he’ll be back by September, and ready to continue building on what is becoming an impressive resume.  Slaten has a 3.09 ERA over 78 2/3 relief innings since making his MLB debut last season.

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  1. BannedMarlinsFanBase

    1 month ago

    As a Marlins fan, the team that John Henry used to own, I will say with the greatest form of sarcasm, I’m shocked that a John Henry team is not going out of there way to make big additions after John Henry made sure to turn the team into a cash cow.

    Seriously, who would expect different after the NHL rejected him because he couldn’t give a straight answer about how he would run the franchise he was seeking (if I’m correct, what turned to be the Tampa Bay Lightning); then, as soon as the ink was dry on his ownership of the Marlins that he achieved by making all sorts of promises, started to cry like a pauper about not being able to buy his own stadium, despite being given the free land and tax breaks to build on. Then, after he, Bud Selig, and Jeffrey Loria got together for that underhanded deal to switch ownerships, Henry miraculously found enough money to purchase the Red Sox for more money than it cost him to own the Marlins (which he already owned) and build his own stadium.

    Seriously, with the utmost sarcasm, I’m shocked that a John Henry owned team is not going out of their way to add big-time talent when they have the revenue streams to do so, after he made sure to get some championships and turn the team into a cash cow. Kind of like what he expected would be the case in Miami, purchasing them not too long after they won the 97 championship.

    Is anyone else sarcastically shocked that a John Henry owned team isn’t adding big-time talent after he turned his team into a cash cow?

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 month ago

      MarlinsFan, Congratulations on your team, looking great for the lowest payroll in baseball. Your new manager down there should get votes for Manager of the Year. Hope you’re getting a few more folks out now to watch them now with their hot streak. Good stuff.

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      • BannedMarlinsFanBase

        1 month ago

        Yeah, I’m hoping there’s more support. The casual fans are starting to get hyped up down here.

        And I’m hoping that the usual, switcheroo transplant fans start abandoning their current jerseys and pull their Marlins jerseys out the closets.

        And for sure, if voting were today, McCullough is at least a finalist for NL Manager of the Year.

        But since we’re on a Yankees board, I have to say, I just can’t believe the way that team, their broadcasters, and fans thought they had 3 automatic wins coming down here. They clearly have some poor media coverage in NY if they aren’t aware of the other teams playing well throughout MLB. The way the Marlins have been playing for weeks now, you have to beat them. Friday night was a clear message about that. The Marlins are not playing like a doormat.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          Oops, I didn’t realize I had switched over to the Red Sox board.

          Sorry Sox fans!

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        • olmtiant

          1 month ago

          All good… what you did to NY this weekend, please and thank you…

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Banned – There’s bandwagon fans with every team. You can’t imagine how many so-called Sox “fans” have suddenly come out of the woodwork, while the longtime diehards like myself have been here day in and day out through even the darkest periods in Red Sox history.

          Ironically I’ll be seeing the Marlins in Fenway next weekend, other than then good luck to your team! I’ve gotten to speak to a few Marlins players in Jupiter, they are a good bunch of guys.

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        • Rsox

          1 month ago

          The same Yankees broadcasters that said Toronto “isn’t a first place team” as Toronto preceeded to sweep them in a 4 game series

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Rsox – Wow, I didn’t hear that …. not surprised, their broadcasters are almost as bad as DO’B and Flemming.

          I’m one of the very few here who said pre-season the Jays would surprise with all their talent, and also MLB Network said back then they have the best pitching in MLB.

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        • Name * 4

          1 month ago

          I hate this take. Why would you waste your money on a bad product. If you’re favorite restaurant started selling rotten food would you keep giving them your money and then criticize people who came back when the food was good again.
          Always found this to be the weirdest flex. If everyone kept coming and watching when they’re bad what incentive does ownership have to improve team. You should thank the casual for motivating ownership to improve.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          N*4

          100

          “I stuck with the team” is just ownership propaganda to keep money flowing in when the team isn’t good.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Name – Not sure who you’re responding to, but I can answer your questions.

          For the past several years, the Red Sox have willfully deceived Red Sox Nation with claims of full throttle spending and trade deadline improvements. Fans believed them, and therefore bought tickets …. probably 90% well in advance because Fenway is a huge tourist trap.

          As for bandwagon fans, we are not talking about buying tickets …. we are talking about flooding this site and many others including social media, puffing out their chests and acting arrogant because *their* team (which they abandon every time they suck) is suddenly winning.

          It kinda seems you don’t understand what the meaning of bandwagon is, which is fine ….. it basically means sticking with them only in the good times, and bailing on them during the bad times …. which is something diehards detest.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Juan – You think ownership has the power to force fans to stick with the team when they are bad? No, they don’t … unless you mean ownership uses lies and deceit to accomplish that, then you’d be correct ;O)

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          FPG

          “You think ownership has the power to force fans to stick with the team when they are bad?”

          No. I didn’t think they can “force” them. Of course not.

          I do think that things like brand loyalty and other marketing techniques exist. Like “sticking with the product when the product isn’t very good is good, actually” for example.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          Die hard baseball fanatics ride with their team do or die. Often, especially on the East Coast, these fans are connected to teams thru generations. Grandpa had season tickets, Dad then had season tickets tickets, etc etc. These younger generation of fans who are new to Fandom often don’t understand the loyalty factor. They often look at me strangely and think I am only acting exuberantly ecstatic over a win in August because I must have money on the game. Otherwise they don’t get the passion.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          ISoaB

          “I smoke Pall Mall’s because my great grandpappy smoked ’em. This makes me morally superior to people who vape and don’t have a favorite and just like whatever new flavors come out”.

          It’s all just loyalty to a business.

          Like N*4 implied, if you want to stick with a restaurant, band, team, brand that’s not putting out a good product, that’s your right. But it’s a bit ridiculous to think it’s superior than not doing so.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Juan – I agree teams will do whatever they can to generate revenue in down seasons, but I don’t think any team has ever acknowledged they won’t be good. The dishonest teams at least wouldn’t.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          SOB – I totally agree!

          It’s kinda like family …. you can get mad at them, be unhappy with them, disapprove of what they do, but you still stick with them because that’s just what you do.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          I never said anything about one way of supporting a team is more superior than another. Loyalty to a sports team and sticking with them thru the trials and tribulations of a 162 game season and being emotionally invested in that team’s performance no matter what is an altogether completely different thing entirely from merely having a preference for Parliament cigarettes. Not in the same universe.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @olmtiant

          Yeah, it was fun. I’m sure you Sox fans got a good laugh. For us, it’s the complete arrogance they have had all the way through, even after the sweep. The fitting metaphor is a bully that thought he was going to beat the mess out of some small guy, then he’s surprised that the guy keeps hitting him back and eventually knocks him down. Then the bully comes back to rush him again, then gets beat down again, then tries a third time, and gets beat down the third time…but then keeps running his mouth after the beatdown, and adds excuses.

          Take joy in that Sox fans. I hope you guys enjoyed the comedy of it. Those idiots thought they had an easy series against a team that has been on a roll for weeks. lol!

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @Fever Pitch Guy

          Should be a fun series. It seems both teams will be fighting for playoff hopes.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @Rsox

          Yep, those same broadcasters. lol

          Remember, the Yankees don’t lose to our teams because our teams beat them. They only lose to our teams because the Yankees “aren’t playing up to their potential.” We hear this all the time from both NY teams.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Banned – So the Yankees got swept by the team that got swept by the Rockies.

          I guess that makes the Rockies better than the Yankees.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @Fever Pitch Guy

          Yeah, those Yankees broadcasters are arrogant and act entitled to wins…and have excuses afterward. The guys on Yes Network and SNY are the two most arrogant broadcast teams there are. Yes Network is the worse, because at least with SNY, Ron Darling doesn’t go overboard and has moments when he can’t cross over as a former ballplayer – and occassionally Keith Hernandez does too, but both networks are horrible with the arrogance and entitlement.

          After your Sox play them, if you can, check out their postgame after a game when the Sox win. It’s bad.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @Fever Pitch Guy

          With the deceit, I feel for you Red Sox fans. John Henry did the same thing when he owned the Marlins.

          When trying to purchase the team, he promised building his own stadium, espcially when some skeptics questioned why he was rejected by the NHL. Henry made promises and guarantees. Then, as soon as the ink was dry on his Marlins ownership papers, he started with the pauper-esque claims after the City of Miami gave him free land (essentially his choice of, if I remember correctly, three locations) and they gave him a multitude of tax breaks to broker the deal and for running the stadium as long as he kept the Marlins in Miami. That wasn’t enough for him because his pauperish cries were that he couldn’t do much with the team unless he had pretty much a free stadium to go with the free land of his choice and the tax breaks.

          Then, after he failed to swindle the City of Miami, he made that underhanded deal to get the Red Sox…as I mentioned, after he mysteriously found his money to buy the Red Sox for more than it would’ve been to build his own stadium.

          Not surprising that, after he won some championships to make the Red Sox a bigger cash cow to his satisfaction, his team now does a minimal effort to compete that is below the standards of a baseball market their size. He was planning the same with the Marlins as he was trying to capitalize on bringing back some success like 97 since it was fresh, so he could turn the Marlins into his cash cow, but the City of Miami wasn’t falling for it.

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        • GhostofThomasHamilton

          1 month ago

          You missed the point completely.

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        • GhostofThomasHamilton

          1 month ago

          Yeah pretty sure, you don’t go with your dad as a little kid to Fenway all jammed in with 33k people, all psyched to be there and having a good time to see a pack of Pall Malls.

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        • GhostofThomasHamilton

          1 month ago

          You’re talking to a troll. You know that right?

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          GoTG

          And you don’t suck in a lungful of Red Sox. Are you unaware of how analogies work.

          The Boston Red Sox are as much of a product as Pall Malls are. And the idea that you should support them through the tough times and that you’re part of the family is just marketing.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Banned – Yes the arrogance of the NY organizations is unlimited. They should realize, especially this year, any team can beat any other team.

          BTW – Whatever happened to Marlins Man? I know he had a ticket dispute with the Marlins, but he used to show up at lots of other non-Marlins games.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @Fever Pitch Guy

          Oh, Marlins Man. Yeah, I remember him and his disappearance. I don’t know the gist of his absence, but I know that he had that situation with the organization, which included Jeter and him having a comedic encounter where Jeter condesceningly asked something along the lines of “Who are you?” And many Marlins fans also pounced starting just prior to that incident, with making it clear that he was not a reflection of our fanbase…and many got vicious about it. I imagine with all of that, if he didn’t decide on his own, maybe those close to him asked him to get out of the limelight. If I remember right, he owned a law office, so it may have affected his business. Definitely he was kind of booted by our fanbase after many were ticked off by him.

          Or maybe he stopped wearing that bright orange Loria nightmare jersey when he sits behind homeplate.. lol

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          It’s all just loyalty to a business.
          =======================
          Does that apply to all your relationships? Was your HS just a business? The local pub where you’ve been hanging out of 40 years? Do you just root for the team that won the WS?

          Just imho, but that’s a weird philosophy. Part of the joy of victory is built up when you stuck with the team when they were down.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          sticking with them thru the trials and tribulations of a 162 game season
          ===========================
          I seriously have no idea how to even process the original statement. The way I interpret it is that he was a fan in 2004, 2007. 2013, and 2018, and not a fan in the 16 years that they didn’t win.

          It’s impossible to enjoy your victories that way. You might as well wait until the middle of November, find out who won the WS, and decide your a fan of that team.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          JB

          “Does that apply to all your relationships?”
          Relationships are not a business

          And sports teams aren’t in a relationship with you – even if you think you’re in one with them.

          “Was your HS just a business?”
          I went to a public HS, so not exactly a business. I don’t see the point you’re trying to make with this one.

          “The local pub where you’ve been hanging out of 40 years?”
          I certainly have not been hanging out at any corner pub for 40 years (maybe you people are all a lot older than I thought). The bars that I frequented, yes, they are absolutely businesses.

          “Do you just root for the team that won the WS?”
          Yes, actually
          I root for the Dodgers and they also happened to just win the WS.

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        • FenwayMonster

          1 month ago

          Just my two cents… I listen to and watch MLB broadcasts from all over the country, and Dave O’Brien is one of the best announcers out there. The Pirates Greg Brown is also a great one.

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        • rondon

          1 month ago

          Name 4… An absolutely perfect example is the Cubs. As a long time fan, I saw growing up, year after year, them field a noncompetitive team and still get good crowds at Wrigley. It wasn’t until Epstein and ironically, Ricketts (whose become the most small market minded big market owner is baseball), for that to change.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          ISosB

          “Loyalty to a sports team and sticking with them thru the trials and tribulations of a 162 game season and being emotionally invested in that team’s performance no matter what is an altogether completely different thing entirely from merely having a preference for Parliament cigarettes. Not in the same universe”

          Both of them exist in this universe and it’s the exact same thing

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          banned – If you haven’t read this article already, you will find it very interesting. I’ve been saying for decades the sale of the Red Sox to Henry (and the Marlins to Loria) was a bag job orchestrated by MLB ….. this is why, as everyone says I simply know too much. LOL!

          roadsidephotos.sabr.org/baseball/bb02-1.htm

          Why John Henry and Tom Werner Won the Sox

          Two days after the end of the most exciting World Series in years, Commissioner Bud Selig destroyed all the goodwill the Series had produced by announcing that two of MLB’s thirty teams wouldn’t live to see the 2002 season. Contraction didn’t happen, but the new owners of the Red Sox owe their purchase to Selig’s scheme.

          When contraction was first proposed, a major obstacle was the shortage of owners willing to get out of baseball. Disney would sell the Angels, but only to someone who would keep the club in Anaheim. Montreal was the most obvious target, but owner Jeffrey Loria was determined to operate a baseball team. So was John Henry in Florida. No one would miss the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, but they were locked into a long-term lease and played in a state whose courts were already hostile to MLB’s antitrust exemption.

          Then Carl Pohlad came to Selig’s rescue. Pohlad, MLB’s wealthiest non-corporate owner, was frustrated that the taxpayers of Minnesota wouldn’t build him a new stadium. If Selig needed another team to contract, he could have the Twins – for a sizable premium over their market value, of course.

          But three problems remained. The Twins had to break their stadium lease, Jeffrey Loria needed another team, and the Players’ Association had to be steamrollered into allowing MLB to eliminate teams. Only one of those three problems could be solved…and that solution involved rigging the sale of the Red Sox.

          The group which ultimately won the Sox was originally headed by Les Otten and TV producer Tom Werner. Werner used to own the San Diego Padres…like Harry Frazee used to own the Red Sox. In the four years after Werner bought the club, Padres’ attendance fell 30%. The last straw came in 1993, when Werner slashed the club’s payroll more than 50% in midseason by trading Gary Sheffield, Fred McGriff and almost every other veteran not named Tony Gwynn.

          By late November Werner’s bid had been joined by The New York Times Company, which wanted NESN more than the Sox, and by former Senator George Mitchell. Mitchell, a prominent candidate for Commissioner before Selig staked his lifetime claim to the job, had served on the “Blue Ribbon Economic Panel” which lamented how the dominance of large-market teams was ruining competitive balance. Red Sox fans can be forgiven a bitter chuckle at that thought.

          But Mitchell didn’t bring enough money to the table. With other bidders including Charles Dolan of Cablevision and syndicates headed by Miles Prentice and Joseph O’Donnell, and John Harrington obligated to sell control of the Sox to the highest bidder, Werner and Otten needed more support.

          It was time for Commissioner Selig’s game of musical franchises. Enter Florida Marlins owner John Henry.

          When Henry bought the Marlins in 1998, he inherited the terrible stadium lease former owner Wayne Huizenga had “negotiated” with himself for the Marlins. Henry vowed to build a new park with his own money if necessary…but within a year or two he was saying, “Well, I’ll use my own funds if I must, but if I do there won’t be any money left to sign players, so can’t the taxpayers spare a few hundred million?” Keep listening for the first notes of that tune drifting over the Common.

          Behind the scenes, Selig arranged a three-way franchise swap. Henry would swap the Marlins for the Red Sox; Jeffrey Loria would swap the Expos for the Marlins; and MLB itself would buy and operate the Expos until the club could be contracted or re-sold at a huge profit to Washington, D.C. interests. The scheme still hinged on Henry’s group winning the auction for the Red Sox…but with Selig’s buddy John Harrington handling the sale, that was easily arranged.

          Attorney General Thomas Reilly minced no words in describing what happened. “Major League Baseball was calling the shots here.” he declared after a meeting with Harrington. “This was a bag job,” he proclaimed after another week of meetings. “It’s very clear from this process there were no rules. The rules were changed hour by hour, bidder by bidder.”

          Harrington held the auction open until the Henry/Werner group had matched the best offer then on the table, then declared it over, refusing to consider bids of $90 million more from Dolan and the Prentice group. Harrington, who by law was required to obtain the best price for the Yawkey Trust, justified his decision by explaining that the Henry/Werner group had the best chance of winning approval from the other owners.

          It was a simple but effective scheme. Just decide in advance who was to win the auction, then rush the Designated Winners through MLB’s approval process and use their head start as an excuse to reject clearly superior bids. To placate Attorney General Reilly, Harrington and the Henry/Werner group agreed to give the Yawkey Trust another $30 million — a small price to pay for subverting the auction process and keeping the Sox in hands friendly to Selig.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Ghost – No, I don’t consider Banned a “troll”.

          At least he puts forth the effort to contribute a lot of information in lengthy, well written paragraphs. That’s not what “trolls” do.

          A “troll” is someone who frequently posts brief crap-stirring one or two sentence messages with the goal of disparaging other posters.

          And look who is doing that here ….. almost like an “Iconic” crap-stirrer from the past ;O)

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          And sports teams aren’t in a relationship with you – even if you think you’re in one with them.
          ============================
          If rooting for your local team is not a relationship, then what is it? You’re not in business with them.

          I’m not busting chops here, but I don’t understand it. Do you just root for the RS when they win? Do you go to games only on the days when you think they have the best chance?

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          JB

          I occasionally root for the Red Sox. Sometimes I root against them. Usually I didn’t care.

          I follow the Dodgers. I root for them almost always. Rooted against them maybe a handful of times for strategic reasons.

          It’s not a relationship. You think because you used to root for Mike Tyson that you were in a relationship with him?

          It’s a business. You give them money in exchange for entertainment. They want your money so it’s in their best interest to make you feel like you’re more than a customer.

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    • butch779988

      1 month ago

      Henry is a lousy owner.

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      • all in the suit that you wear

        1 month ago

        Henry has won the most World Series of any owner this century.

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        • olmtiant

          1 month ago

          True… but other than that… he’s awful!!LOL!!!

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      • KingKen

        1 month ago

        Yeah the 4 WS championships and the numerous ballpark improvements over the past 23 years sure has sucked.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          All of you Henry defenders, ask the NHL and South Florida baseball fans and the City of Miami about John Henry as an owner.

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        • Release Theo Epstein's Files!

          1 month ago

          that seems silly since Henry only owned the Marlins for 3 years. wouldn’t the red sox be a better measuring stick since he’s owned them for over 20 years? you just sound like a bitter marlins fan to most people

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        • olmtiant

          1 month ago

          Or a extremely intense hockey fan…

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        • Release Theo Epstein's Files!

          1 month ago

          that makes sense olmtiant, i was questioning if they were angry about the way Henry sold the West Palm Beach Tropics before the Senior Profesional Baseball Association folded. Maybe Henry just hates Florida

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        • KingKen

          1 month ago

          Not to mention the 3 years Henry owned the team was between the Wayne Huizenga sell off after the 1997 WS, and before the 2003 WS winning team. His ownership of the Marlins saw them acquire most of the talent they used to win that 2003 WS. Not sure what in all that leads to him being reviled by Marlins fans.

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        • GhostofThomasHamilton

          1 month ago

          All Marlins fans are bitter .

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        • GhostofThomasHamilton

          1 month ago

          All you Marlin fans

          Boo Hoo.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 month ago

          Henry has built a conglomerate and runs the club Luke such. As long as he sees opportunities like he successfully did arbitraging, he’ll direct that extra money that Sox and other baseball fans provide elsewhere.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 month ago

        Henry is the best owner in baseball and it is not even close.

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        • Sad_Sox

          1 month ago

          You countered one extreme with another extreme. Good grief.

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady

          I repeat, ask the City of Miami, South Florida baseball fans, and the NHL league office about John Henry as an owner.

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        • joe mcgrath

          1 month ago

          Would that be the same NHL office who approved John Henry as the owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins 4 years ago?

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        • BannedMarlinsFanBase

          1 month ago

          Does what they recently did change what John Henry did that got him rejected before, and what he did to the Marlins?

          Again, wait for it.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          I repeat, ask the City of Miami, South Florida baseball fans, and the NHL league office about John Henry as an owner.
          ======================
          I couldn’t care less how you guys feel about him. We’re the most successful team in baseball since Henry purchased the team.

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        • joe mcgrath

          1 month ago

          Well they approved him so I’m guessing it did. Also what exactly am I waiting for?. JH has owned the Red Sox for 23 years. They have won 4 WS and finished DFL 3-4 times. Remodeled Fenway Park when other potential ownership groups had the plans done for a “new” Fenway. What else is there?

          Unless JH cost you or your family money I really think it’s time for you to move on. Holding any grudge against someone, unless they effected you personally, is really unhealthy.

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    • jdgoat

      1 month ago

      They literally just traded (and signed) Crochet and brought in Bregman this past offseason…

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        jd – Bregman is almost certainly opting out, which means the Sox gave him a $31M contract …. not that big a deal.

        You do realize they just did a salary dump with Devers, right? The guy who had 3 hits, a homerun and 4 RBI within the past few hours?

        Cheapness is based on payroll vs revenue, Red Sox have one of the cheapest ratios in MLB.

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        • Longinus

          1 month ago

          Fever, your blatant lie about Devers being a salary dump is getting old fast. It’s eminently clear that it was a dump of a player whose situation had become toxic. He has a superstar bat, but he isn’t a superstar overall player and he was becoming an outright cancer in the clubhouse.

          PS The Yankees for quite a while under the Steinbrenner sons have had a relatively weak payroll vs revenue ratio – maybe you should do some research and understand that that isn’t indefensible over shorter periods of time. Very clearly, Boston has been pacing to spend only just short of the luxury tax, which keeps penalties reset so spending when it does happen can go a longer way. We’ll see whether or not they actually do that, and they should be criticized if they don’t, but it would have been dumb for a team in the midst of a non-push rework to spend into the tax. The other side of the coin is that they consistently spent as much as they could without unnecessarily triggering the tax; if they were all about dumping money, they could and should have gone lower than that.

          Try fitting your arguments to the actual picture rather than a desired viewpoint. It does wonders.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Long – You are full of crap as usual. My blatant lie, eh? What kind of cretin are you falsely claiming I’m the only one calling it what it is, a salary dump.

          Stop being so lazy and do a damn Google search if you really can’t grasp what the trade was all about.

          “The Red Sox’s trade of Rafael Devers to the San Francisco Giants is widely considered a salary dump. The Red Sox moved Devers, along with a significant portion of his remaining contract, to the Giants, who will assume the financial obligations. This move allows the Red Sox to shed payroll, potentially freeing up resources for other roster moves or to stay under the luxury tax threshold.
          Here’s a more detailed breakdown:

          Salary Dump:
          The primary motivation for the trade appears to be to get out from under Devers’ large contract, which has several years remaining.

          Return:
          The Red Sox received Jordan Hicks, Kyle Harrison, and two prospects in return for Devers, a haul that is considered underwhelming for a player of Devers’ caliber.
          Ownership’s Role:
          Some reports suggest that the Red Sox ownership may have had a mandate to reduce payroll, making the salary dump a priority according to reports on Sports Business Journal. ”

          sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/06/20/red-…

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        • FenwayMonster

          1 month ago

          The Red Sox are barely going to stay under this season’s CBT. I wouldn’t say that is being cheap… It’s actually smart. By going over and having to pay a luxury tax next year impedes being able to sign free agents in the future.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          Agreed they are not cheap. The Red Sox are over the luxury tax threshold according to Cot’s.

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      • GhostofThomasHamilton

        1 month ago

        And Chapman.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      And I can say with the utmost sarcasm that I wish our owner was as good as yours, and how much I admire the Marlins’ success, and how bad I feel about only having 4 WSCs in the past 20 years. Woe is me.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        1 month ago

        OT: Thank you Boston for sweeping the ‘Stros….wasn’t too difficult, was it?

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 month ago

      Banned – On behalf of Red Sox Nation, we are all sarcastically shocked.

      As Kanye would say, John Henry doesn’t care about w…..inning. He’s got his 8 rings, he has no emotional ties to the Red Sox (he’s always been a Cardinals fan), and all he cares about is adding to the FSG portfolio and completing Fenway Corners.

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    • Longinus

      1 month ago

      No offense man, but your thesis doesn’t fit the evidence. While you can fit the Red Sox of the last 5 years into those claims, there are still almost TWO decades of ownership before that that involved adding the likes of Schilling and Beckett and Sale and Gonzalez in trades and Crawford and Lackey and Price and Story as free agents. Until very recently – which has only involved treading spending water JUST SHORT of the luxury tax, which is prudent when you’re waiting for your next push opportunity – Boston was consistently one of the top payroll teams, and the only one of the top spenders that didn’t enjoy a payroll advantage over every other team in its division.

      On top of that and the four championships that came with it, they sacrificed the opportunity to build a new ballpark with real luxury boxes and more seating to preserve Fenway Park. It wasn’t an entirely altruistic move, but it doesn’t align with money being the overwhelming priority.

      None of this means he didn’t screw over the Marlins, but that’s a different deal.

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    • GhostofThomasHamilton

      1 month ago

      “after he made sure to get some championships ”

      Yeah, he’s so sneaky, making sure The Red Sox won the most championships this decade before he started his diabolical plan. What a rascal.

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      • BannedMarlinsFanBase

        1 month ago

        I guess some of you John Henry defenders are going to wait until 5 to 10 more years of this from John Henry before you start agreeing with us Marlins fans, the City of Miami, and the NHL about him.

        He won those championships because he knew that would make the Red Sox a bigegr cash cow than it already was. He wanted the Marlins to be that for him since 97 was still fresh at the time. And don’t get it mixed up about who built the 2003 team. that was Dombrowski, who was held over from the Huizenga era as Dombrowski was the orginal GM from Day 1 of Marlins existence at the time. And note this, Henry chased him out when he let Dombroski know something was coming, just before Henry’s deal with Loria and Selig which brought Loria, the owner Dombroswki ran from in Montreal, to Miami. Dombrowski and his wife ran out of town without anyone knowing until later when the underhanded deal took place.

        Henry is a swindler focused on himself and the bottom line of enjoying his cash cow…period. But you defenders of him can wait another 10 years of the same process of underperforming under the market before you see what he really is.

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  2. olmtiant

    1 month ago

    With news on Mayer, as many of us thought, these things ( crowded outfield) have a way of working themselves out… Seems price for Ryan was a Kings ransom and then some… But two or 3 of the above mentioned AND either Duran or Wyler would have been extremely steep.. My gut, they had a pretty good idea MM is done for year.. Come on Dustin.. become this years Nate Evoldi for us!!!

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 month ago

      Dustin May more likely this year’s version of Danny Bonaduce than Eovaldi.

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      • ohyeadam

        1 month ago

        He could be last years Walker buehler. Great in the playoffs after stinking it up all year

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      1 month ago

      I don’t want to trade the Password or Tolle at all right now.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 month ago

      olm – When the Sox made the announcement that none of their 4 outfielders would be traded, I immediately said that means Mayer is gonna be out for a while but it won’t be announced until shortly after the trade deadline. And I had been pushing for Rafaela to play 2B since ST, even though so many here said “No way, Rafaela stays in CF”.

      So does anyone know why Gio replaced May today?

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      • GaryRedSoxxWarriors

        1 month ago

        I heard it’s because they want to give him a little more time to adjust.

        They mentioned the long move from West Coast to East Coast and the number of games he’s pitched I think is getting past career high or something like that.

        They just wanna give him a week to settle in and Sort of out of courtesy but also in consideration of arm protection.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Gary – Sounds reasonable, thank you!

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        • jmi1950

          1 month ago

          Gio asked for the morning game because it went so well for him on July 4.

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        • GaryRedSoxxWarriors

          1 month ago

          It’s not the same as what the other guys are saying. But I get my info from just a couple of spots. NESN website, fan sided website, here, and Shaughnessy. So it came from one of those four.

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      • cdr9er1980sox

        1 month ago

        Gio was scheduled for it to be his start initially, and he doesn’t like having too much rest. The broadcasters talked about it Saturday saying he fought to get the start and joking about him playing mlb the show.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          cdr – Thank you, I appreciate it! Saturday I was out and about so missed the discussion.

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        • WaitTil2026

          1 month ago

          Giolito needs to stay on schedule to reach the 140 IP and become a FA. Not that anybody will be so crass as to point that out.

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      • joe mcgrath

        1 month ago

        Gio went to Cora and asked to remain on as close to “normal rest” as possible. So since today was his spot in the rotation they pushed May to Wed.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Joe – Thank you!

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      • FenwayMonster

        1 month ago

        Giolito wanted to stay on his regular routine instead of being pushed back a day.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          GM – Thank you!

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      • cdchi

        1 month ago

        There is not a manipulation of Giolitos innings. He had an ERA, close to 9 in the 1st innings of games going into yesterdays start. Seems to throw harder as the game continues. If he continues to pitch like yesterday,he may end up as a top 3 starter on the market Did not see that coming. Trevor Story, 2nd most RBI since 6/1. I know … You told us … LOL
        Dominating at Fenway, 2nd most home wins in the AL. Just read Mayer may need surgery. That sucks. Don’t know much about this Falter guy , lefty who has pitched decently for the Buccos . He might be a good pickup for KC,who has been playing good baseball and are not out of the WC race.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          cdc – Who said his innings are being manipulated? Unless he gets an injury he’s certainly gonna surpass 140 innings.

          I told you about Mayer a couple weeks ago ;O)

          I read somewhere the Marlins have the best record in MLB since june or something? Hopefully they cool down before next week!

          Wacha is pitching against the Sox too, that should be interesting. He was with the Red Sox a few years ago.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          FPG
          Giolitos innings manipulation is something I read on a different site.. Do the Sox resign him and a what cost?? Just throwing some stuff out there…
          The Marlins are having an amazing season . IMO
          Kyle Stowers, where did this guy come from..?. You are going to a game against the fish, right?!
          Alcantara , seems to have found his groove again. I wonder what the Sox really/if offered the Marlins for him.
          Wacha is a pro. Losing Bubic is really going to hurt KC’s chances. Enjoy watching Witt jr play. Salvador Perez==. H.oF. ?? I think so. I don’t think there are enough catchers in the Hall. I can’t believe Thurman Munson is not in . A travesty IMO. I hated him at the time. Like I said et, just throwing stuff out there….

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          cdc – They can’t manipulate it without pulling him early or skipping his starts, which they wouldn’t do. If he stays healthy, he will be a free agent unless they extend him before then.

          I do think they will make an attempt to extend him, but it’s too soon to know how much.

          Yep two games, Friday and Saturday.

          Another lefty tonight, which means Ref & Romy again.

          Mike Yaz returns to Fenway! Hopefully Carl can attend, health willing.

          I still can’t get over that half inning yesterday, I absolutely enjoyed it …. the sequence of events was awesome!!! For those who don’t watch the games (and many here don’t) here’s what happened:

          Double
          Walk
          Single
          Single
          Balk
          Wild Pitch
          Single
          Bunt hit
          Passed Ball
          Sac Fly

          I don’t think I’ve ever seen a half inning like that, it had it all !!

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Cora playing some small ball. This team showing it can win in many ways. Fram lost it. Cora has had a good run..
          Story coming home to knock out that run was one of the plays of the year…, Great weekend.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          cdc – Keep in mind Cora and especially Bregman have a lot of inside knowledge about the Astros. Bregman knew exactly how to rattle Framber …. that’s the kind of gamesmanship I love!

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  3. chandlerbing

    1 month ago

    Wilyer Abreu for Ryan woulda been pretty fair both sides

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    • olmtiant

      1 month ago

      Chandler… as much as I love Wilyer I would have carried him on my back to Minnesota from Boston straight up for Ryan… And would have walked from Chicago to Boston to do it…

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        olm – Same here, I love Abreu but he wouldn’t be enough for Ryan.

        The Twins, like most all MLB teams, simply don’t like dealing with the robotic tunnel-visioned Breslow. He almost always lowballs, whether it be free agents or trades.

        Like Breslow shockingly admitted, teams don’t like his players.

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    • letitbelowenstein

      1 month ago

      It probably would have been Abreu, Garcia and one or two other minor leaguers.

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  4. Release Theo Epstein's Files!

    1 month ago

    I remember someone here was complaining about the Dodgers and/or Red Sox prospects being overrated so i asked AI what are the top 5 and bottom 5 teams in terms of farmhands (specifically IFA, UDFA, and draftees) to play a major league game in 2024 (last season with full data)

    Top 5: 1) TB Rays 2) LA Dodgers 3) Minny Twins 4) Clev Guardians/Indians (including players drafted/signed under either team name) 5) ATL Braves
    Bottom 5 (worst first): 1) CHI White Sox 2) Colorado Rox 3) Miami Marlins 4) LA Angels 5) Oakland A’s
    take these rankings with a grain of salt and this includes players who played for any ML team but the AI pointed out that with how low the Dodgers draft and how much theyre penalized for spending they exceed expected value more than any team

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  5. rsoxbob

    1 month ago

    As much as I dislike Henry and wasn’t excited about Boston’s lack of quality additions at the deadline, I am VERY glad they didn’t get Alcantra or Ryan if that was the asking price. Sox have their top 3 playoff starters and a terrific lineup against both lefties and righties; just need a few decent outings from the former Dodgers guys to ensure they get there!

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  6. RickEO

    1 month ago

    Redsox organization is brilliant. 4 WS since 04 and u basement Gms are smarter. Boy if we only had Devers 🤮🤮

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  7. Big whiffa

    1 month ago

    Boston has done an excellent job at identifying and acquiring young talent then NOT TRADING THEM AWAY! Despite Sox fans threatening a hanging lol

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  8. whyhayzee

    1 month ago

    Um, they’re 3 games out of 1st.

    Calm down. Breathe. Enjoy.

    Good lord.

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    • whyhayzee

      1 month ago

      Fan since 1963, when Y A Z won his first batting title. The last 25 years, absolutely NOTHING to complain about.

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      • olmtiant

        1 month ago

        Hayzee I agree big time… except for one DFA a couple of years ago…LOL!!!

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        hayzee – I respect your opinion, even though it makes Red Sox Nation LOL ;O)

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      • GaryRedSoxxWarriors

        1 month ago

        whyhayzee, I hear you 100%. Fan since 78. Started off on the right foot but then the 80s and 90s were horrible.

        Good thing was they always went for it in the off-season and signed guys and spent money. There was always hope every spring.

        And of course, the four championships (sorry fever) made everything better. We’re kind of overdue now and need a fresh banner in a huge way. Coming up to seven or eight years and that’s too long for a spoiled fan such as I.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 month ago

      hayzee – I agree! This is probably the high point of their season thus far, so why do so-called “fans” have to act so arrogant every time the Sox go on a win streak? Enjoy today’s win, enjoy the win streak, and keep hoping for the best.

      It’s dumb comments like “We’ve got 4 WS titles” that makes so many others hate Red Sox Nation, and it also shows complete ignorance because we all know damn well Breslow had nothing to do with putting together those championship teams.

      Rick knows that I’m sure, he knows Lucchino and Dombrowski (with help from Duquette) are the men most responsible for those 4 titles and he knows damn well they are gone. He also knows the Sox have been cheap as hell since the 2020 season and have basically sucked since 2019 with the exception of Covid 2021. He’s just trolling as usual. LOL

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  9. soxprospectsroverrated

    1 month ago

    Hint: Arias is the most overrated prospect in the league and “password” is simply a product of media hype.

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    • letitbelowenstein

      1 month ago

      Arias is a shortstop on a team that doesn’t need a shortstop. My guess is the Sox will shop him and Duran (unfortunately) in the off-season.

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      • GhostofThomasHamilton

        1 month ago

        Arias is 19 years old. By the time he’s up, they’ll need a shortstop.

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    • GhostofThomasHamilton

      1 month ago

      “the most overrated prospect in the league”

      Oh? So you’re an expert on all MLB prospects you enormous troll?

      Who are the second through tenth overrated prospects? I know you keep a list.

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    • GaryRedSoxxWarriors

      1 month ago

      Hint? How about Anthony.., is he overrated? I think he came up in the Sox system?

      Abrue? Rafaella? Bello? Overrated too?

      Your username is an oxymoron. Better one would be

      “some younger prospects in baseball are overrated, but you never know because they’re working hard and things could change with a little coaching.”

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    • WaitTil2026

      1 month ago

      Overrated? Eh, maybe. Let’s see how they develop?

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Arias is the most overrated prospect
      ====================
      Why?

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    • SteveC

      1 month ago

      @spo: thank goodness we have you to reign in expectations

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  10. whyhayzee

    1 month ago

    On June 6, the Red Sox were 12 1/2 games behind the Yankees. Now 1 1/2 games ahead.

    That is a massive turnaround in less than two months. 14 games. I remember that number.

    In 1978, I lived in the same town as Bucky Dent and Goose Gossage. Now THAT sucked.

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    • GaryRedSoxxWarriors

      1 month ago

      14 games is right !!!!

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