After a disappointing seasons that saw them earn a bye through the Wild Card series but immediately fall to the Dodgers in the NLDS, the Phillies are in an uncertain spot as the team figures to look very different by the time Opening Day rolls around. Kyle Schwarber and J.T. Realmuto are free agents, while Nick Castellanos is expected to play elsewhere next year. While the team’s roster is in flux more than usual this winter, it’s long seemed likely that president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski would look to engage with some of those outgoing free agents.
That includes some players who haven’t been around quite as long as the team’s veteran core, as Dombrowski indicated to reporters (including Lochlan March of The Philadelphia Inquirer) that the team not only has interest in bringing free agent outfielder Harrison Bader back into the fold, but has also conveyed that to Bader’s camp already this winter.
“They know we’d like to bring him back,” Dombrowski said during last week’s GM Meetings, as relayed by March. “They also had expressed that they want to see what’s out there, because this was the best year he’s had, I think, in quite a while.”
That would seem to indicate that Bader won’t be jumping the market to sign right away, the way Josh Naylor did last night when he re-upped with the Mariners. Still, a reunion between Bader and the Phillies would make plenty of sense. After being dealt to the Phillies from the Twins at the trade deadline, Bader found another gear amid what was already a career year. In 50 games with Philadelphia, Bader slashed .300/.361/.463 (129 wRC+) to boost his season-long slash line to .277/.347/.449 (122 wRC+). Bader’s 7.8% walk rate was his best full-season mark since 2019, and while he struck out at an elevated 27.1% clip he made up for it by slugging a career-high 17 homers and 24 doubles.
This year’s performance from Bader was enough for him to profile as a solid regular in an outfield corner offensively, but even as his defensive metrics have slipped from once-elite levels he remains a solidly above average defender all across the grass, including center field. That adds a solid floor of production to the upside Bader flashed this year, and it’s been widely speculated that the 31-year-old will be able to land a multi-year guarantee this year on the back of his strong 2025, and MLBTR’s own prediction is that he’ll secure a two-year, $26MM guarantee.
For a team that enters the offseason with only Brandon Marsh locked into its outfield for next year, it’s easy to see why bringing back Bader would make plenty of sense. With that said, the Phillies are far from the only team that Bader could be a fit for. His old stomping grounds in both Queens and the Bronx could both use a center fielder, and teams like the Angels, Orioles, Guardians, Giants, and Royals are all known to be on the prowl for help either in center or the outfield generally this winter.
Some of those teams may be priced out of Bader’s market when all is said and done, and not all of them are perfect fits, but it’s a large enough cast of potential suitors that even with Philadelphia’s interest in a reunion Bader could have some incentive to wait out the market for at least a little while yet. Meanwhile, the Phillies will need to prioritize bigger ticket free agents like Schwarber and Realmuto themselves, whether that comes by way of re-signing them outright or finding another way to replace their production for 2026.

Wonder if they’ll move Harper to the OF.
That would just create a first base issue. Harper didn’t have a great season by his standards so leave him alone. As for others, it will be pricey to bring back everyone and make upgrades elsewhere.
Signing a 1B is usually cheaper tho than OF and as you said it’s a lot of holes/FA they have
I just think Harper is best to not have to switch positions. He plays a very good first base so leave him there.
@dewey: “He plays a very good first base”
Going to have to disagree on that one. Harper is decent at best. He lacks experience there and it shows. Does not make smooth plays and occasionally makes mental errors. Range is mediocre, arm is not good, poor instincts. Maybe with some more playing time, he’d improve but he didn’t look good there this year in my opinion.
If the Phillies have any sort of replacement plan for first base, Harper should go back to the outfield. Replace Castellanos with Harper.
I respectfully disagree. I think Harper played a very good first base. Had a good arm and he also had decent range.
Harper was a Gold Glove Finalist at 1B. He would be an Average OFer at best. He also has a history of Elbow issues, so they don’t want him making a lot of throws.
This is why the GM said Harper moving to the OF is a non-starter, even though Harper said he would consider it.
No, they have already said a week ago that is definitely not happening.
They should move Turner back to the outfield if Aiden Miller is ready for the show. Maybe even if he is not…
Turner is the second baseman of the future on this team.
But second base is not a current need. OF is.
Trey Turner never played the outfield in his MLB career.
He did when he came up with the Nationals. And he did it quite well.
Nor did Trea.
trea was a SS in the minors his first 100 or so games in the majors was split roughly 50/50 between 2nd base and center and he didnt really play SS til his 3rd year.
He did I believe with the Nats and LA for a little. A Shortstop is typically a great athlete naturally. Turner in my opinion is the Phillies centerfielder. Bader can play left and if you bring up Justin Crawford, they can split time. Aiden milller can play short or third. Bichette would be a player I’d go after to play short or second and move some pieces around. Stott is a really good shortstop too. I would move Harper back to right and he’d do it if they signed the right guy to play first. That could be Pete Alonzo. Bohm is then the odd man out in that scenario. Or keep Harper at first and go get a player like Taylor Ward to play right and split time with Justin Crawford and keep Bader in left full time or let him split time with Marsh.
A Bohm trade could bring a mid level reliever back in return. But Bohm is a doubles, singles hitting third baseman that is who he is and in the scenarios I laid out blocking a call up of Aiden Miller or signing if a more powerful right handed bat.
Do you even pay attention to the Phillies? They have made it clear, many times over many years, that he is not going back to the outfield. Plus that’s just dumb. Yeah, let’s send a dude who keeps getting injured to a MORE physically strenuous position. How counterintuitive could you be?
How is the outfield more physically strenuous than shortstop?
He’s talking about Harper.
@philliesphan: “Yeah, let’s send a dude who keeps getting injured to a MORE physically strenuous position.”
I don’t agree with this assessment. Fielding stiffs like Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds (later period) played the outfield. If you can move around reasonably well, and Harper can, the outfield is better for him. You have so many fewer opportunities in the outfield, particularly if you have a good CF to cover.
Harper himself last offseason said, he’d consider moving back to the OF if they signed a guy that played first and could seriously help the team. That was in reference to Alonzo. As far as strenuous outfield play. He’s probably making more effort at first than he would in right. How many times a game would he have to make a hard or far throw in right? How many outfield to home plays happen a game? How many happen a week?
Harper will not go to OF. He is a 1B or DH.
Bader’s OBP sucked in 2022 to 2024.
Crawford is ready to join Marsh. Castellanos has declined but they are not going to cut him or pay 80 percent of his salary to trade him even if he becomes a fourth outfielder.
Crawford in LF, Bader in CF (if price and years are reasonable), and Marsh in RF. Kemp and Wilson will provide right handed bench options, but another right handed hitting outfielder would be a good thing.
Castellanos will not be in Clearwater for Spring Training. The Phillies clubhouse usually has a pretty harmonious vibe, but the Castellanos situation has become toxic.
I despise Nick Castellanos’ attitude.
If Schwarber goes elsewhere, and the Phillies sign Pete Alanzo, Harper will return to right field. D H is not even a consideration for Harper.
If I was Bader, I’d try to get a 3 or 4 year deal at a lower AAV than what he could max out at, in order to secure the additional guaranteed seasons of salary.
So, if his top of market option is like 1 year/$16M or 2 years/$30M, I’d try to get 3 years/$41.25M or 4 years/$54M etc.
He’s a very up and down player. Some years he’s amazing and some years he’s a black hole.
But I do hope he gets that big ‘set for life’ deal this off season.
Here’s to 4 years/$60M guaranteed ($58M w/ a $2M buyout on a 5th year option that could take it to 5 years/$75M)
Some years he’s amazing??? Come on, last year he was good. He’s a career good glove no hit centerfielder.
Who sometimes comes up with big hits when it’s needed most. For the Yankees a few years back he was very clutch.
Sure, he’s a pretty good player. Bellinger better.
Bellinger won an MVP with the Dodgers. He is on a whole different level than Bader.
There was a tangible change in his approach this year. Swing speed was way up whereas previously it was below league average. Commensurately his hard hit rate was up so I think he’s going into negotiations telling people this is sustainable.
I think he might be a legit 3-5 WAR player for a few years.
Whoa! What’s your cut of the contract?
Bader has no shot at getting a 4 year contract. He isn’t getting 15m per either. It will most likely be a 2 year deal, and possibly a three year deal.
If they don’t resign Bader, then they could look to Astros 4 business.
What about 3 years, 42 million. Any thoughts?
Too high a guarantee for mainly a glove guy ahead of age 32 season. Lots of IL time until closer to reaching free agency. Most execs will pass if it can’t be limited to a 2yr deal and not be desperate to bid up.
He’s 32 for 2026. His 2026 salary is going to be mid. But what about the 2027 and on.
2026-13 million
2027=10 million
Honest question- are you, cwsOverhaul, one of those fans who thinks any player who’s going into a contract year past the age of 30 isn’t deserving of free agency level money?
Good point. I didn’t see that. That means Dylan Cease, Framber Valdez, Ryan Helsley, Devin Williams don’t get good contracts.
Pay for future-not a thank you for what you did (especially elsewhere). Every player/track record varies and assess what skills you value most of player declines quicker (speed, Defensive range, etc). It’s business both ways, not a lazy binary player vs owner dynamic.
Honest question- are you, cwsOverhaul, one of those fans who thinks any player who’s going into a contract year past the age of 30 isn’t deserving of free agency level money
Are you the kind of person that pays original MSRP for a 150K mile car? Or do you pay on what you expect the car is worth going forward?
MLBTR has an estimate of 2/$26. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if someone went 2/$30 or maybe even up to around 3/$39.
There seems to be a big demand for CF’ers this offseason, with some of the big spenders in the mix.
I heard he prefers to be addressed as Master. Master Bader.
That’s what I would go by if my last name was Bader. (Or even if it was Bator or Batur)
Your sense of humor suggests you are 11 years old.
Shakespeare would always throw in some lowbrow humor into his plays to keep the low class drunkards amused.
Low hanging fruit taste just as good.
There’s lowbrow humor that’s fun when spoken and in private. And then there’s just dumb.
Joel
I find your lack of faith to be disturbing.
Lord Bader
Problem is he already played poorly for both New York teams
Not sure I would sign a free agent coming off his only really good year. Plenty of OF out there and while he is a good player, there is little he offers that is elite and can be found in other players, most likely cheaper too. Its the emotional element that is jacking up his price with Philly.
My thoughts exactly. Bader may have had a “contract year” season where the performance exceeds anything he had done previously. Putting 3-4 years at an AAV between &12M-$15, while not expensive may MLB standards, could prove to be wasted money.
A 2 + 1 (team) at $10M AAV is about the best I would go if I was a team.
Alas. Rafael Montero
Plenty of OF out there. NOT plenty of plus centerfielders.
Jarred Kelenic needs one more chance in CF.
That isn’t it. The Phillies are right handed hitting short. Bader would play cf, and Crawford will play left. Nick C, will not be back. That leaves Marsh for RF, unless a trade is made. Bader is easily the Phillies best option in cf.
Trade for Jake Meyers from the Astros, way more upside than Bader and younger too.
He’s had one good season at the plate, so not sure if he wants to test the waters too much. 2/20 is as high as any good GM might go I think.
The demand for a CF is too high right now for anyone to get a deal. Whoever signs him will be paying a premium.
Glad my teams aren’t in need of an outfielder. Not sold on Bader with one good season at the plate.
He is what he is. Solid regular with a decent defensive floor.
There are a lot of bad GM’s out there though!
Dude will sign for 7 Years/$165 Million.
Hope the Phils sign him right away so the Mets don’t and pursue Bellinger instead. He’ll revert to his norm and bat .239 this year.
Love Bader! He was electric in Minnesota. I feel he ends up similar to last offseason, signs a 2 year contract with the second year an option. Hope he goes to a contender. Hes a fun player
It’s really amazing what a serviceable OFer did for the Phillies, especially one with a RH bat. I don’t mean that to insult Bader. He was more than serviceable. But the Phillies haven’t had that piece in such a long time. It changes their entire dynamic.
Do it, if they can. Not a lot of usable CFers around, especially who can up what is otherwise an awful defensive outfield.
Please, Phillies, sign Bader, so Mets can sign Bellinger. I think Stearns has been talking up Benge as a bargaining ploy. Bellinger: huge improvement for the team. Gotta ante up for him.
There is no “competition” between Bellinger and Bader for the Yankees cf job. Bellinger is at the top of the free agent market with Tucker. Bader is a pretty good player, but no star!!
Will this be an offseason of re-signings? We’ve seen three in the past 24 hrs. The minor ones are usually more common than the major ones. I think Bader is in between.
I have Bader to the Royals and Grisham to the Phillies fwiw, so obviously I’m hoping this doesn’t come to fruition.
I have bader to the angels because they need a cf and they probably trade ward…
There may be more CF job openings than available CF this offseason. Bellinger is the highest tier, then Grisham and Bader, and lower you have a Cedric Mullins and then ????
It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I see a lot of people predicting Grisham to the Phils, but the Phillies need a RH bat. Grishma doesn’t help there.
True, but I think most folks consider Grisham the better overall player and can see the Phillies as one of the bigger teams going for him more.
I think the Phils will happily take a worse RHer. It really changed the lineup for the better. We’ll see.
The Phillies aren’t looking for another left handed hitting outfielder ( unless it’s Bellinger or Tucker). There is no chance Grisham is signed by D D.
Not everything we think will happen, will happen. Just saying.
His story will forever be intertwined with the Karen ball lady
2/$25M. Can be the everyday CF if they want to use Crawford in LF. Or keep CF warm until Crawford comes up, then bump to a corner and occasionally spell Crawford vs. LHP. The Phillies should also bring in some vets on minor league deals to fill the bench spots if they are really gearing up for a Schwarber reunion, or Plan B like Pete Alonso or Kyle Tucker.
– Lane Thomas OF (29 year old hit .170 in FA year, but can still be an above average defender in corner OF spot against LHP)
– Dylan Moore INF/OF (won a GG in 2024, elite defender anywhere on the field. 32 y/o has sneaky pop and positive platoon splits vs. LHP, nice cheap 26th man or AAA depth)
– Starling Marte OF (guy absolutely mashes at CBP and is athletic enough at 37, to handle OF corner in a part time role)
– Josh Rojas 3B (was terrible in ‘25 but he’s only 30 with legitimate big league experience. Could be a nice LH bench bat capable of handling 2B/1B as well)
– Michael Conforto OF (had a down year but can handle OF corner, bench bat shield against LHP’s and maybe get some production)
– Owen Miller 2B/1B (he’s a AAAA player but has big league experience at multiple positions and is still on the right side of 30)
– Gary Sanchez C/DH (AAA depth or insurance policy on JT Realmuto)
Like the idea of split MLB/MiLB contracts with built in minor league option. They make more money even when they’re at AAA, and it deters teams from placing a claim if a DFA is needed to open up a roster spot. Here’s some pitchers I like based on this concept:
– Luarbert Arias RHP (only 24 years old with 2 plus pitches, pitched for a bad Marlins team)
– Alexis Diaz RHP (wasn’t long ago this guy was throwing high leverage innings for contending teams, knows the NL landscape)
– Riley Pint RHP (former 1st round pick of the Rockies never had a real shot to be successful)
– Cam Robinson RHP (he’ll be 26 in ‘26 but was among the Atlantic League leaders in saves, K/9 and ERA among RP’s)
– Brendan Delucci RHP (former SF Giants product also had outstanding Indy league season)
– Nick Hernandez RHP (he’ll turn 30 this year but has some big league experience with some bad batted ball luck in his career)
– Jay Groome LHP (everyone deserves a second chance in life, as long as they’re truly sorry and repent)
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Sir, once you started writing favorably about Michael Conforto, you lost all credibility. He’s in the late twilight of his career.
Minor league deals / lefty bench bat as stated
I have a crazy yet thought provoking trade proposal between Philly and STL:
Bohm and Castellanos for Arenado and Nootbaar.
I think Arenado would hit better in Citizens and Nootbaar would improve the outfield over Castellanos.
What does that do for the Cardinals?
Well, they’re swapping Arenado’s contract for Castellanos’ and they get better offensively.
Feel free to let me know if you think this could be beneficial for both teams or not at all.
Nootbar seems clearly the best in that group.
Actually Bohm is the best player of those four!!
The Phillies aren’t trading for another left handed hitting outfielder. John is also clearly better than Arenaldo, independent of Arenaldo’s contract. A “gun and a mask”, wouldn’t get that deal done!!
I don’t see the Phils making that trade. Arenado is a huge downgrade from Bohm.
Offensively, yes, but defensively, no.
I also wondered if Arenado’s bat would benefit from home games in Citizens instead of Busch.
The other dynamic is moving Castellanos, which I read they wanted to do.
What if the Cardinals sent Joshua Baez instead of Nootbaar? He’s a RH OF slated for AAA and a possible mid-season call up.
These same rumors popped up the last 2 season. I don’t see it at all. Arenado’s defense isn’t even as good as it once was. It’s just a giant step backwards and Bohm is super cheap.
Bohm was rated -3 total DRS at 3B last year in 108 games and just under 950 innings by the Fielding Bible.
Arenado was rated +6 total DRS in 103 games and 880 innings.
Baseball Savant had Bohm at -2 OAA while Arenado was +3 OAA.
Bohm’s statcast arm strength was 81.8 while Arenado’s was 83.4.
The point I’m trying to make is that Arenado’s value is in his glove more than his offensive profile at this stage of his career.
Ultimately, it seems that you might prefer the Phillies stick with Alec or pursue Bregman if they wish to upgrade at 3B. I respect that take, if accurate.
Yeah. I’m not trying to say Bohm is better defensively. He’s just better value all around. Arenado is an expensive albatross at this point in his career. I don’t see any truth to this rumor, just like it ended up being false the last 2 seasons.
Good point, VPH. The albatross contract has had a lot to do with him not being traded before now. There’s not much beyond this year owed to him but he still won’t get moved unless the Cards pay about $10 million for this season or take on another bad contract in return. I don’t see the latter lining up with their MO.
Is the potential of Marchan greater than the eventual decline of Realmuto? Would the signing of Realmuto be another underwater contract 2-3 years down the line?
Defensive statistics are being misused: Bader’s “defensive metrics have slipped from once-elite levels.” Misleading. The CF metrics are based on averages. As outstanding young CFs come into the league, e.g. PC-A, Rafaela, Denzel Clarke, etc., the average gets better. Put another way,, as long as you use an average, half the CFs are going to be — by definition — below average. That doesn’t mean Bader’s getting to any less balls than he used to (although, now that he’ll be 32, that may start). And it’s not clear that the narrowing difference between the best CF and the average CF matters as much as it once did. I wouldn’t worry about Bader’s defense. I would worry about his offense. Not too many cases of players having their career high in oWAR (in this case 2.6 oWAR) in their 31 year old season and maintaining that level through their thirties.
Indeed, he’ll bat .241 this year. Mark my words.
Bader is a perfect fit for Philly because his floor is hitting eighth, .245 with some RH pop, and playing a quality center field. Which is all Philly needs. Most suitors will need more. I’d go 2 years, $26 million with a vesting option for a third.
I expect Bader to pursue a deal similar to Jurickson Profar based on age, similarities in past performance, and similarities in platform year improvements. I don’t like that for the Phillies, personally, though I can see how Bader would feel like a safe play to them.
Personally, I believe the Phillies would be better served investing similar money into Trent Grisham. His handedness creates some lineup awkwardness, but thats solveable.
No it isn’t. The Phillies were already rh hitting short with Nick in RF. They aren’t going to add another left handed hitting outfielder unless it’s Bellinger or Tucker ( assuming Schwarber leaves).
It’s not ideal, but Grisham’s a superior player and a great fit for the stadium. A RHH 2B would balance things out, or they could pray Miller matriculates faster than expected.
Trust me, the Phillies desperately need a RH hitter. They are full of lefties, and just having a mediocre RH bat in the lineup changed everything for the better, Grisham is a bad fit.
A platoon bat like Grichuk would solve that completely. Crawford/Grisham/Marsh/Kemp/Grichuk with Sosa and Marchan in the other bench spots.
They might lose Wilson in this scenario since he’s out of options, but, frankly, he hasn’t done anything to earn a spot. That leaves Johan Rojas as minors depth. As bad as he’s looked at the plate, he played at just under a 2-WAR pace in each of the last two seasons.
And that is one of the reasons I resist the Bader idea. He’s only like half a win better than Rojas.
That’s why WAR isn’t the be all and end all stat. Bader elevated the Phillies significantly more than Rojas. I don’t expect Bader to be that hot again, but still, it shows how desperately the Phils need a RH bat.
You’re recognizing that Bader played out of his mind without making any sort of adjustment. The Phillies don’t need any old RHH. If that was the case, Otto Kemp would suffice. They need someone who can post a 130 wRC+ and credibly bat between Schwarber and Harper.
The opportunity cost of signing Bader at his likely market value is unacceptable when they have an internal option that can provide 70% of the same output for free. Though it would take creativity, they could put that same money toward a RHH cleanup hitter.
The Grisham comment is now moot, but my point was only that the club would be better off with him and a creative solution elsewhere on the diamond than Bader.
They should. His kind of energy and versatility are useful for an aging team with as many holes as the Phillies now have. He’s not a splashy, all star signing, which seems to be all anybody wants these days, but the Dodgers are the only team in the sport good at creating superteams. The rest all usually end up disappointing like the Mets. Get younger. Get deeper. Get more versatile. Oh, and get Kyle Schwarber back.
If I’m the Phillies, do I chose Harrison Bader or target Jake Meyers?
What many holes? One outfielder, and a rh reliever, are the Phillies only major needs ( assuming J T re-signs).