The Phillies have prioritized reunions with Kyle Schwarber and J.T. Realmuto. They succeeded in bringing back the MVP runner-up on a five-year deal at the Winter Meetings. Realmuto’s free agency has been more extended, leaving the Phils in a holding pattern behind the plate.
While a reunion with their longtime catcher remains the priority, Matt Gelb of The Athletic writes that it’s not a lock to come to fruition. The sides obviously have yet to align on contract terms despite Philadelphia’s willingness to offer multiple years. Gelb writes that the Phillies have been involved in trade conversations about potential alternatives. Although there’s no indication anything is close on that front, that highlights the biggest question for the front office.
Aside from Realmuto, the free agent catching market is bleak. Danny Jansen is off the board on a two-year deal with Texas. Victor Caratini is the only other potential starting option, and he has been more of a high-end #2 catcher over the course of his career. Everyone else is a backup or organizational depth type.
That’s also true of the two catchers currently on Philly’s roster, Rafael Marchán and Garrett Stubbs. Marchán was a promising enough prospect that it isn’t out of the question that he could be a solid glove-first starter if given the opportunity. That’d be a gamble for a win-now team, though, and clubs are sometimes reluctant to upgrade the position at the trade deadline because of the adjustment of learning a pitching staff in the middle of a pennant race. The worst case scenario for the Phils is that they wait out Realmuto’s market but get outbid after Caratini has already signed elsewhere. That’d leave them with little choice but to turn to the trade market.
At the same time, they’re probably reluctant to make a trade while Realmuto is still a free agent. Marchán and Stubbs are both out of minor league options. They’re already likely to expose one of them to waivers before Opening Day. Trading for a catcher and re-signing Realmuto could mean losing both of them, as there’s a good chance another team would claim Marchán. Realmuto’s heavy workloads don’t leave much playing time for his backup, so that’s not an ideal use of resources.
The Phils’ trade conversations may be due diligence for now. They still seem likelier than not to figure something out with Realmuto. If that doesn’t come together, speculative trade options include Pedro Pagés, J.C. Escarra, Connor Wong and Jose Trevino.

That would be a wild twist if Realmuto landed elsewhere.
Os seem all in for this year- so swapping Adley for a pospect haul similar to what they gave p for Baz, and the sign a short term C like REalmuto.
Orioles still have confidence in Adley
James123: Realmuto might command 3 years if he can get it. That’s not very short term.
But again, only if he can get it.
Don’t think they would do it, even with Adley’s struggles last year. They’re definitely making a push to get back to the playoffs, but with Gunnar, Holiday, Povich and other young players on the roster, it’s not a “next 1-2 years or bust” scenario.
I predict Realmoto will get a two year deal for $34 million. Phillies get him, but Padres, Tigers or Angels could also offer two years if Phillies only offer one year.
The report out has the Phillies offering a “multi – year” deal, that is on the table. That is a two year deal. If a team offers J T, three years ( doubtful), he will take it.
Tigers already have a young,cost controlled gold glove youmg catcher who can hit in Dillion Dingler.
Realmeato would not be an upgrade for the Tigers.
I think you’re correct
Dingler won the starting catching job in Detroit when Jake Rogers was on the IL.
Rogers is only 30.
He is highly skilled at handling a pitching staff, has a great arm, throws out high % of runners hit 21 home runs a few years ago when starting for the Tigers and appears to be injury free.
Rogers has serious pop in his bat especially when he gets enough ABs which he is not gettimg in Detroit.
Not sure why Rogers is wasting his time buried on the Tigers bench.
If Realmeto walks, Dave should call the Scot Harris/Tigers and swing a deal for Rogers.
SportsFan0000: Isn’t Realmeato the guy who owns the butcher shop that always has a line out the door? 🤣
Preller has never paid a catcher more than 4m/yr in all his years running the Padres so I don’t think Realmuto ends up in SD.
As a Phillies fan this is a good idea. Always have a backup plan
A backup backup, if you will.
If Dombrowski can swing a trade for a young up and coming catcher, then Realmeato leaving would open up funds for other team needs like another OF who can defend and hit.
Realmuto has always been better and is still much more valuable than Jonah Heim, but have the latter’s latest two seasons been so bad that Anthony’s correct to include Heim in the category of “Everyone else… a backup or organizational depth type?”
The Rangers non-tendered Jonah Heim rather than risk keeping him on a ~6mil partially guaranteed contract. As they weren’t able to trade him, we can assume no other team was willing either.
But maybe he gets a backup gig somewhere…(I wasn’t sure if you were joking)
Entering his age 35 season and his offense has declined 4 years in a row, ill pass! Call the Cardinals, they have a bunch of catchers
wRC+ has his 2024 as better than 2023. But old catchers can be especially risky.
Edgar Quero for Crawford. Both were ranked around same last year. Quero looked good in MLB rookie year and Crawford near ready to prove the same. Both premium positions. That said, doubt Philly uses/trades cheap talent for C when they have to balance out quite a few highly paid stars.
Then what do they do for cf
@Oppo – City of Brotherly Love needs Master Bader.
Phillies are not trading Crawford for weak hitting overrated Quero. Crawford is their CF for the next 5 years, Quero is a lifelong backup catcher.
I think Quero is likely more than a career backup…. but i do agree the would not swap drawford for him.
Teel for Crawford would be better
I would do that, and I’m not opposed to Bernal from St. Louis.
St Louis certainly objects. There are a couple mof articles out that suggest Bernal is the C of the future. I endorse that idea rather than letting Herrera have significant time behind the plate.
Crooks maybe, no chance of Bernal
Although I would not do Crawford for Bernal. Castellanos for Arenado and Bernal? Trade Bohm for a descent prospect?
Ok, fair enough. It seems Pagés is the expendable one.
If you want someone OK for 2026, Pages wont cost much, STL will roll with some combo of Herrera, Crooks and Pozo. But Pages is just a good defensive guy and rotation handler, not a difference maker with the bat.
If you want someone with upside who might be your catcher for 5 years (but may not be fully ready in 2026) Crooks is a really good prospect and STL would probably let him go with Bernal and Rodriguez in the pipeline. Will cost a similarly good prospect, but plenty upside there.
Lifelong backup? He’s not even 23 years of age. Tell us more that you don’t pay attention.
Maybe Crawford for Teel.
Teel is WSox best player-he’s staying put. WSox could’ve dealt Crochet to Philly with Crawford as main prospect headed back, but were all about Teel.
Then why not offer a guy they got for Crochet to get Crawford?
They turned down Philly b/c Crawford wasn’t a worthy headliner for Crochet….Teel was the WSox target (over injury prone Mayer) when RSox said no to dealing Anthony.
@Never Remember. Dont know why you’re coming down so hard on Quero when he has some prospect regard as well and actually has experienced some major league success. Its just easier say the word “overrated” right?
SalaryCapMyth: That dude forgets everything. 🤣
Even though he’s in decline the Phillies need Realmuto. Phillies know it and so does Realmuto. Leaking ‘trade discussions’ smells like a negotiating ploy. Another week of this dance and then something gets done.
depends on how Realmuto plays it. Honestly i think the phillies want him to realize that no other team is going to make anything more than a 1 year offer with incentives….
Trade market may bring up a long term piece, but even then they are likely to want a realmuto as a bridge….. but the phillies do not have the strongest system anymore.
Nothing anywhere is likely to happen until the new year.
Hmm, I would say my O’s could potentially have Rutschman available, as they made it clear that Basallo is the future at the position. Its not a perfect match though as at this point we need a starting pitcher of the 1-2 slot variety. I imagine we’re content to keep Adley and Basallo taking turns in the catcher/DH role, while we deal from the excess of 1b guys like Mayo/Mountcastle. In my opinion though, the Phils are better off resigning Realmuto rather than going the trade route.
Offensively his numbers have come down a bit but defensively he still seems to be the same guy. He’s certainly made a good amount of money in his career, maybe he’s looking for an even better shot at a championship, even though Philly lost to the eventual champs. Hard to say but the marriage between Realmuto and Philly is definitely better off continuing in my opinion.
i think the issue would be the logical return for Adley would be Crawford- and he is penciled in at CF for the Phils already…..
And you already have Bradfield knocking at the door for the O’s as well, Not to mention Adley has had a rough couple of recent years. It would take a pretty convoluted deal for sure. One that I imagine the Phils balk at entirely and the O’s unwilling to give up the necessary components to get it done. Still fun to hypothesize though lol.
Not sure adley commands much in a trade at this point after the past 1.5 seasons.
Agreed. He’s definitely better than what hes been the past couple of years, but you would have to sell low and I’m not sure you get the value for him at the moment that you would like, probably better to hang on to him until at least the trade deadline, presuming Basallo starts to rake and perform well consistently defensively.
I doubt the Phils bite on a trade for Adley unless they’re not giving up a big return. But then again we did just deal 4 prospects for Shane Baz. Elias might be in desperation mode to save his job after last year so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Adley get dealt somewhere.
Phillies would be best served letting the old man go to Tampa or San Diego. He can’t hit, he is one of worst framers in MLB, and he is no better defensively than Marchan. Money can be better used elsewhere. But because DD is an idiot he’ll cave and give him too much money.
Take a breath. I promise whatever you’re going through will be ok.
I wouldn’t be so sure!!
Tampa never ponies up for aging guys like Realmuto.
SD already traded for their staring catcher @ the deadline last year.
They are not signing JT to sit on the bench and talk to coaches.
Trade Target = Ryan Jeffers of the Twins
You’ve gotta believe there are better trade targets than the ones listed
New business model. Draft catchers
Rotate them to different positions like how ss become 3b 2b ofs
Draft all catchers
Rotate to different positions so they can play C/1B/3B/COF
Trade to catcher needy teams
Profit premium prospects
I love the MUTO but he needs to be realistic. 3 years in any dollar amount is too much for his value. The Phillies need to avoid another NOLA gift contract.
I agree. JT means so much to calling, commanding, and prepping for a game, but at some point….
I agree.
I feel Realmuto is playing his push to get as much money to help his catchers’ position get better paydays like he pushed for on his previous contract.
Getting too greedy could end up backfiring for him if he does want to stay with the Phillies. The Phillies can’t be waiting forever. They have other needs to fill and will move on if he plays the more money contract game too long.
Yes, he has been durable. But he is getting older and all that durability over the years is beginning to show wear and tear on him. He’s not that young spring chicken catcher he once was.
I think the Phils should give Realmuto a deadline to decide so they can go about their business. I do think he goes back to the Phillies though. Probably for 2 years at most. Maybe 12-15 mil per year.
Totally agree on Nola, just add that to walker and castellanos. Ouch!!!
I’d call the Pirates about Bart/Davis and take a risk with them.
Cambo: Davis is terrible offensively and Bart is a step or two above that. I believe the small amount of success Bart has had with Pittsburgh is because he’s not under the microscope there. He’s not strong at being under pressure so I believe Philadelphia would probably eat him up. The fans and Joey under pressure with a contending team aren’t a good match IMHO. As a Giants fan I got to watch Bart from day one in the majors and it wasn’t pretty most of the time. Filling in for Buster was added pressure too. He was a good teammate though.
I’d be happy if the Orioles traded Adley for pitching and signed Realmuto.
As a phillies I would do that trade , but Im not giving Baltimore Painter. I’ll give them Nori plus Cabrera or Escobar.
So we can go with Marchan, or trade for a guy just like Marchan. Ok.
Or given Dombrowski’s allergy to youth, we can just wait for the headline where he overpays Realmuto and Weez Kids 2.0 is on for another 3-5 years.
@oppo: Reinsdorf is messing up potential for Getz to deal LRJ anywhere under delusion he can get a good prospect for Robert w/o kicking in bunch of money. They “should” kick in 10mil for a decent P prospect and token lottery ticket OF prospect that’s years away if this were made into a huge trade.
Philly more realistically could try to entice Bader instead of paying Realmuto as far as OF help if they land a young economical C like Quero.
Resign JT for 2 years, $30M.
Then call the White Sox, who probably resent paying Luis Robert $20M and the 2 player options he holds over them.
Phillies acquire:
– Luis Robert CF (1/$20M + options for ‘27 & ‘28)
– Kyle Teel C
White Sox acquire:
– Nick Castellanos RF (1/$20M)
– Johan Rojas CF
– Rafael Marchan C
– Weston Wilson UTL
– Keaton Anthony 1B (#15)
– Felix Reyes 3B (#30)
White Sox would fill the CF void with a young, fast and reliable CF in Rojas. Young, defensive switch hitting catcher to replace Teel, plus some upper minors prospects that could get an opportunity there. If Castellanos has a good 1st half, the White Sox could flip him at the trade deadline and have more clarity about their books moving forward without the Robert contract looming over them. Phillies would get the RH bat to compliment Marsh/Crawford, plus a long term catcher to share duties with and learn from JT.
I am a Phillies fan and there is zero chance the white Sox would trade a promising young player for that package (Teel I mean)
Add Painter and Gabriel Rincones to the package and both sides say, “Yes.”
Painter is untouchable. Robert is always injured, and very inconsistent. The 20m salary, makes him almost untradable. I’m hoping the Mets, “take a chance”!!
Bring the guy back and keep that identity!
I mean they need a catcher, don’t reinvent the wheel here.
(Talking from a purely selfish need of a contest dub lol)
Tyler Stephenson could be available from the Reds.
Phils are being realistic with JT. Sure, their starters love him, but he is 35 with a declining hit tool.
With age not only comes a drop off in skills, but a greater chance of injury.
So an offer of 1yr @15-16 or 2yrs @28-29 is more than fair.
Put it this way: who else is going to give JT Realmuto age 35 more years and more money?
Realmuto knows where his market stands and is waiting for DD to blink. I could see 2 years with an option. Not a lot of need for Catchers in free agency or even trades this winter. It’s why aside from Jansen there has been very little movement at the position
Why teams aren’t lined up to trade for Korey Lee is beyond me