TODAY: The Blue Jays officially announced Okamoto’s signing. Right-hander Paxton Schultz was designated for assignment to open up a 40-man roster spot for Okamoto.
JANUARY 3: The Blue Jays have finally made a big strike in the Japanese market, as Toronto has signed infielder Kazuma Okamoto to a four-year, $60MM contract. It is a straight four-year deal without any opt-outs. The contract breaks down as a $5MM signing bonus and a $7MM salary for Okamoto in 2026, and then $16MM in each of the deal’s final three years. Okamoto is represented by the Boras Corporation.
Okamoto’s 45-day posting window was set to expire tomorrow at 4pm CT, so it was expected that the infielder would settle on his first Major League team today and finalize the agreement (i.e. complete a physical) before Sunday’s deadline. MLB Trade Rumors ranked Okamoto 19th on our list of the offseason’s top 50 free agents, and our projection of a four-year, $64MM deal was just slightly above what Okamoto landed from the Jays.
Matching financial expectations is no small feat, given how Tatsuya Imai (three years/$54MM guarantee from the Astros with two opt-out clauses) and Munetaka Murakami (two years, $34MM from the White Sox) both had to settle for shorter-term deals in their trips through the posting window this winter. Evaluators and scouts didn’t quite view Okamoto, Imai, and Murakami in the same tier as other big-ticket NPB arrivals from past seasons, though Okamoto perhaps had fewer red flags, resulting in his nice payday.
Okamoto’s contract also translates to a $10.875MM posting fee for the Yomiuri Giants, the infielder’s now-former NPB team. As per the terms of the NPB/MLB posting system, the NPB team’s fee is 20% of the first $25MM of a player’s guaranteed MLB contract, 17.5% of the next $25MM, and 15% of all further spending.
It was a little under a month ago that Toronto was first linked to Okamoto, and the 29-year-old now projects to be the Jays’ regular third baseman. Okamoto also has experience playing first base (making him an overqualified backup option to Vladimir Guerrero Jr.) and in the outfield, so he joins Addison Barger and Davis Schneider as Blue Jays players who can contribute in both infield and outfield roles.
For Barger in particular, it now seems like he’ll platoon with Okamoto at third base, while playing in the corner outfield when he isn’t at the hot corner. This could bump Ernie Clement into primarily a second base role, with Andres Gimenez expected to move from second base to an everyday shortstop role. The right-handed hitting Clement can also spell the lefty-swinging Gimenez at shortstop when a southpaw is on the mound, with Schneider (another righty bat) moving to second base in those circumstances.
All of these moving pieces don’t even factor in the possibility that Bo Bichette could still re-sign with the Blue Jays, even with Okamoto now in the fold. If Bichette returns to an everyday role at either shortstop or (perhaps more likely) second base, Barger or Okamoto could see more time in the outfield. On the flip side, if the Blue Jays were to land another rumored target in outfielder Kyle Tucker, Toronto would then likely have to trade from a crowded outfield mix that would include Tucker, Daulton Varsho, George Springer and Anthony Santander splitting DH duty and one corner outfield slot, Nathan Lukes, Myles Straw, Joey Loperfido, and Okamoto, Barger, and Schneider all available in a part-time outfield capacity.
However things play out, it adds to what has already been a fascinating offseason for a Blue Jays team that came within two outs of winning Game 7 of the World Series. The team’s efforts to add the final piece of the puzzle have mostly focused on pitching to date, with Dylan Cease and Cody Ponce signed to reinforce the rotation, and Tyler Rogers added to the relief corps.
Bichette and Tucker have naturally dominated the rumor mill when it came to possible lineup additions, and players like Cody Bellinger, Ketel Marte, Alex Bregman, and Yoan Moncada were also reportedly on Toronto’s radar. The Okamoto signing probably closes the door on Bregman and Moncada specifically since the two are third basemen, unless the Jays made the curious decision of using Okamoto primarily as a corner outfielder.
Okamoto’s third base defense was strong enough to earn Golden Glove awards when playing with Yomiuri Giants in 2021-22, though he has played an increased amount at first base in the last three years. Scouts generally view Okamoto as at least a decent defensive third baseman at the MLB level, and his ability to also capably handle first base and left field adds to his versatility around the diamond.
Moreso than his glovework, however, Okamoto’s biggest plus is his bat. One of the top hitters in Japan for most of the last decade, Okamoto has hit .277/.361/.521 with 248 home runs over 4494 plate appearances with the Giants. He had a run of six straight seasons of 30+ homers from 2018-23 before dropping to 27 long balls in 2024, and he hit 15 homers with a .322/.411/.581 slash line over 314 PA in 2025 in a season interrupted by an elbow injury that cost Okamoto roughly three months of the NPB campaign.
A six-time NPB All-Star and a member of Japan’s World Baseball Classic-winning team in 2023, Okamoto is known for his ability to generate power while still making a lot of hard contact without many strikeouts. This approach fits right into the offensive gameplan that worked so well for the Jays in 2025. Blue Jays hitting coach David Popkins drew raves for his work in helping several Toronto hitters break out last season, and he could certainly aid Okamoto in making a smooth transition to MLB, perhaps particularly when it comes to adjusting to higher-velocity pitching. As noted by Fangraphs’ Eric Longenhagen, Okamoto has been inconsistent against higher-velo (94mph+) pitches, but he already showed improvement in this department in 2025.
The signing also represents a breakthrough for the Jays in their efforts to land a high-profile Japanese star. The Blue Jays’ attempts to sign Shohei Ohtani, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, and Roki Sasaki during the previous two offseasons were all thwarted by the Dodgers, which added some extra sting when all three players (particularly World Series MVP Yamamoto) contributed heavily to Los Angeles’ narrow win over the Jays in the Fall Classic.
While the Dodgers weren’t publicly known to be in on Okamoto, such teams as the Red Sox, Pirates, Cubs, Angels, Mariners, and Padres were all linked to his market. Earlier this afternoon, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand indicated that San Diego “could be the frontrunner,” but instead it was Toronto who ended up sealing the deal.
Okamoto’s $60MM contract represents another big expenditure for a Blue Jays organization that has already taken spending to team-record heights in recent years, and now put the club in the upper echelons of league-wide spending. RosterResource estimates a $286MM payroll for the Jays in 2026, and a luxury tax number of around $308.8MM.
This puts Toronto over the highest tax threshold of $304MM, meaning the team will again see their first-round pick in the 2027 draft dropped back 10 places, plus they’ll face a 90% surcharge on any further spending. It’s clear that the Jays and Rogers Communications (the team’s ownership group) are ready to flex their financial muscle more than ever in pursuit of a World Series banner, so more splurges on Bichette or Tucker can’t be ruled out.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan was the first to report the signing, and Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the contract’s length and value. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand added the details about the $5MM signing bonus and the lack of opt-outs, and the Associated Press had the annual salary breakdown.

Dang it
Pirates – Your team could always go after Bichette now.
Sorry, j/k ;O)
This leads me to believe the Jays are firmly after Tucker, which means Bo is gone. Very intriguing …..
It’s funny fans think these volatile high average low walk guys are very valuable while teams who are all run by brilliant Ivy League educated people tend to realize those types can easily slump and have entire bad years like bo did two years ago. He’s a decent punch away from being Tim Anderson.
They really need to let fans buy a team. Let them run it into the ground and all have to find second jobs while they pay billionaires luxury tax because none of them understand what a budget is. And I’ll yell at them for being cheap while they pack my groceries.
Jays were a hair away from being champions with a roster filled with exactly those types of players. The thing is with the entire roster being that way it is very rare that they all slump at the same time.
Thats – I respect the intelligence of Ivy League guys, but intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing.
My Ivy League guy made one of the worst trades in MLB history with Sale to Atlanta. He also signed a clearly injured Gio to a huge contract, thought he could get something out of Liam Hendriks by paying him a fortune, rushed into a sizable longterm contract for a player who not only never played in the majors but barely played in the minors and then became a mess just a couple months into the contract, traded Priester for very little, kept Roman in the minors about 3 months longer than he should have, has been hounding the White Sox to give back Teel after trading him, gave a sizable contract to a lottery ticket named Buehler, and oh yeah he ran the franchise superstar out of town less than 2 years into a 10-year contract extension …. and got basically nothing in return for him.
Just because a guy is an MLB executive, it doesn’t mean he will be good at his job. If they don’t last long, you have your answer (I know Yankee fans will disagree on that part).
It was also kinda rare for them to all get hot at the same time to. That being said when the beautiful thing on this team last year was when the top half of the lineup was cold the bottom usually got hot
That’s a generalization that only shows how much of a jackass you are. Grab a napkin and wipe the stupid dripping off your chin….the majority of fans do not think that way. Well maybe they do in the crowd you run with. which is really only a reflection on you.
Agreed. That anyone thinks Arraez has any value at all is just beyond me.
With a .o84 walk rate last year, while not exceptional, is far from being low. It’s actually pretty decent. He may not be Schwarber in that area, but unlike Schwarber, he can play the field.
Fever- I wonder if this increases the likelihood that the Red Sox bring back Bregman. I will be curious to see what Okamoto got for a contract.
ThatsIT – while I agree. Every player has a value point. Let that low walk guy drop in price and youre keying on an inefficiency. It’s total roster construction moreso than any single player.
I think it does increase the odds Boston signs Bregman. I had preferred Okamoto. Might slightly prefer Suarez at this point. Just think Bergman contract will be unwieldy.
The jays went in a Time Machine and said eff it were playing 1990s style ball.
It’s funny no one’s mentioned this:
Minus the bullpen our team matched up player for player with the championship teams.
Bichette =s molitor
Lukes =s candy maldanato
Bargers ed Sprague with bat speed
Etc…..
Etc….
Springer was the linchpin to the top from the bottom because he was basically hot all year. When the bottom was hot Springer went crazy with RBIs, when the top was hot, Springer was a run scoring machine.
@ThatsIT?…The fact that Bo Bichette has had one poor season out of 5 (also a season where he was injured and only got about half the normal plate appearances) makes him volatile? But low average, high strikeout, high walk guys like Adam Dunn, Kyle Schwarber, Chris Davis, Giancarlo Stanton, aren’t volatile? I will never understand this line of thinking. When people talk about the greatest “hitters” of all time they are almost all high contact/high average guys. Ichiro, Tony Gwynn, Pete Rose, I’m throwing a pre-roided Bonds in here because he was a Hall of Famer pre roids (I think most agree). I’ll take a team of Bo Bichettes over a team of Kyle Schwarbers any day of the week.
Guys like Barger and Clement probably had career years. Anthony Volpe’s best year was his rookie year. Assuming that it “only gets better from here” is a mistake.
Three guys had great offensive seasons for the Jays last season: Bichette, who may not be back; Springer, who had his best season since 2019 and is likely to regress in his year 36 season and Vladi, who actually did not have his best ever season and one has to be optimistic about going into his 27 year old season. But there are reasons to think other guys are likely to improve. Santander can be expected to contribute more, Giménez will be 27 and just had by far his worst season, and Varsho hopefully will play more than 71 games. Okamoto is a nice add, possibly a Bichette replacement, or, if they re-sign Bichette, allowing Clement to be a super utility, where he is more valuable. The Yankees finished with the same record as the Jays last season, the Jays have improved this off-season and so far the Yankees have only lost (although getting Cole back is a big deal). The Yankees should be worried.
Fever- I just saw that it was for 4 years and $60 million. I can’t believe he did not get considerably more than that. The Sox better make some other move, because they won’t get cheaper than that with anyone available.
Going into the season before last where he was injured and slumped
Bo had led all of baseball in total hits for his career.
Just an underrated hitter who needs to improve his core and lower body strength a bit
I saw something like $160 million for 5 years was the offer the Sox made for Bregman. That is a big commitment. I can’t imagine he would be able to top that, but who knows. I still can’t believe they could have gotten Okamoto for $15 million a year. I know Fever prefers Suarez as well, definitely a smaller commitment.
They are. A lot of what they have “lost” were bullpen arms that were not reliable and part of the reason that they were tied with Toronto and didn’t win the AL East outright (8 blown saves). Getting Cole back is a very big deal. They really haven’t lost anything unless they can’t get either Bellinger or Tucker.
Bo slumped because he had a major injury in 2024. Every other year he’s been very consistent. The hit tool is usually the last tool to decline. The power tool is usually the second last one to decline. Those are Bo’s two biggest strengths. I think he’s going to be productive for quite a while.
Wrong on Bo and I’ll let others comment on your certainties on other facets. Bo is a tremendous hitter (having led the AL twice, and leading this year until sliding into Yankees catcher in September) and his bat was again critical and timely for this team, even as he recovered from injury and played a new position during World Series. I hope this doesn’t mean he’s off the Jays’ signing list but suspect this does mean Bregman isn’t going to display the blue bird on his chest. And I believe this could trigger other signings as the logjam has been waiting…
This is a good example of how the anti-Red Sox troll FPG operates. He exaggerates negatively. Most people were happy to dump Sale’s salary after being hurt for 5 years. Gioloto had been one of the most durable pitchers in MLB before the Red Sox signed him, but went through a divorce before becoming a free agent. The book is not closed on Kristian Campbell or the returns for Priester and Devers. Roman Anthony only had 35 games in AAA before last season, so it is no surprise they kept him there for another 71 games before bringing him up. I doubt Breslow is hounding the White Sox for Teel. Hendricks was not paid a small fortune. Buehler was a one year contract which often requires a bit of an overpay. There is more than one way to view all these things and FPG chose to paint them as negatively as possible.
Suarez offers HRs, but not much more and he is probably looking for his last big contract. So, I would rather sign Bregman.
All-I think the only positive with Suarez is that he will likely get a much less significant contract (years and dollars). I agree he is all about the big bat. He strikes out far too much and is not a strong defender. My only worry about Bregman is will he be worth the contract he signs. It looks like there is a fairly good chance he is returning to the Sox, so hopefully he will be worth the contract.
I would think the Sox would have made an attempt to land Okamoto if they did not have something else in the works. I am hoping for activity by them in the near future.
Uncle: I am lukewarm on Japanese position players after the Yoshida contract. So, I’m ok with not signing Okamoto.
Your joking right? He only struck out 21 times last year
Totally agree with you. Another great contact hitter to add to that list..Kirby Puckett
Uncle – I think it’s sort of a wash.
Teams that need a 3B and were considering Okamoto now are down to basically two options, Suarez and Bregman, which hurts the Sox leverage.
But Toronto has likely pulled out of the Bregman chase, which helps the Sox.
Uncle – Think of it this way, Murakami got $34M total contract despite being the #4 ranked free agent.. Okamoto was ranked #19 with a projection of $64M/4yrs.
The staff here nailed it, he wasn’t expected to make much more than $60M because of the risk associated with Japanese position players.
Uncle – I wouldn’t necessarily put much stock in that Bregman dollar figure, especially not knowing if there’s any deferrals.
Uncle – Think of this this way ….. statistically Suarez is a better defender than Caminero, McKinstry, Paredes, Norby, Muncy, Machado, Vargas, Rengifo, Vientos and Moncada.
It’s not like Suarez is bottom of the barrel.
Bichette was literally bottom of the barrel, worst SS out of 33 players (min 500 innings).
His defense at 3B or 2B is obviously a big question mark, but not many people seem to be concerned. Why is that?
Bo can’t play 3B. He doesn’t have the arm
Fever- If they don’t get Bregman, I would not have a problem with Suarez. He is the biggest power bat available and I assume his defense is no worse than Devers.
I had not realized Bo was that bad defensively. I know they talk about moving him to 2nd which may or may not solve the problem.
Suarez struck out 196 times last year.
Who is….Rick Hahn? (Did lot of the sane things your ivy guy did, must be a Harvard thing)
For moment there misread and thought you said Jays emerged from a time machine to 1900s style ball. Old timey handlebar mustaches, oversized unicycle, Smith bros sideburns, putting up ones dukes for the honor of a fair damsel. Spalding and Doubleday would be proud.
Your (and mine) Ivy League guy also brought the first WS in a century. Are statistics wrong ? No . Are Scouts always wrong ? Neither.
Fact is it’s a 3.3% chance being are WS winner (simple stats of 1/32) , and you can add in 3-8% depending on other teams roster and expenditures- why even the Rockies have a 0.1% chance and Dodgers « only » the best at 6-7%. Some years it was « harder to qualify » from the AL East than win playoff games – heck look at the first one Boston won this century. So it’s easy to complain but fact is winning is never a sure thing ( especially with humans who can have bad seasons,slumps or injuries)
French – Yes Lucky graduated from Princeton, but he had 16 years of experience and knowledge as president of MLB teams prior to winning in 2004. Did he make some mistakes along the way? Of course he did, he was inexperienced with the O’s and he learned from his mistakes.
Breslow could someday become a great MLB exec as well, but it’s far too early to make that prediction. In the meantime, he has given us plenty of reason to question his performance as CBO with the Red Sox. To his credit, he has admitted some of his mistakes and pledged to do better.
I have no idea where you get the 1/32. There are 30 MLB teams, of which several realistically have zero chance of winning the WS. You kinda sound like John Henry by claiming the Red Sox don’t have an advantage over teams like the Pirates, Marlins, White Sox, Rockies, etc.
Of course I agree winning is never a sure thing, but the Red Sox have an obligation to put the best product on the field by spending in relation to their revenue when they need to. Any team that prioritizes profit over winning is not really “competing”.
Anyway, as always I am giving the benefit of the doubt that the Red Sox will improve their team before ST.
No kzw, the best hitters of all time are the power-hitting on-base machines like Williams, Ruth, Bonds, Aaron, Mays, Ohtani, Judge, etc. Back in the day the singles hitters were often considered the best. That was before we had all the metrics that show how power hitters produce more runs than singles hitters.
I don’t know darth, there are plenty of fans who comment here who still think that high-average guys are superior. We have people here who regularly comment about how Kyle Tucker is not a great player and hitter, when he clearly is. They grew up listening to old-school announcers telling them how important average is and how moving over runners is more important than hitting one out of the park. And a lot of them still think that way.
4 for $60 million sounds about right to me.
Apparently Okamato can also play left field. I feel like this financial outlay might actually make it more likely they resign Bo then go after Tucker.
@Jaysfansince92
About 140 innings over 25 games over the past 2 seasons. “…also play left field” might be an overstatement
There were rumors that several teams were looking at him to play left field. Also if a player isn’t at all capable of playing a position, they don’t get into 25 games of that position. That being said, now that I’ve thought about it a little bit, third base is probably the more likely position due to the fact that Barger is probably the better outfielder.
That would be a huge surprise for them to sign Tucker. Financially I mean, it’s feasible but where would that put them in payroll? Tucker Will require more money than Bo, plus this new contract and cease….
Aav will be similar they’re both getting about 30 per
33 for Tucker or 29 for Bo isn’t make or break
I think it is great!
It is not that Dodgers, Blue Jays, Mets and Yankees are spending too much! Just half the league needs to start spending more!
It depends on where they end up at. Some rumors have Tucker as high as 40 million a year and Bo as low as 25. We really don’t know how much of a difference there’s going to be in their aav yet.
Jays – You really need to go by total contract NPV.
AAV is often manipulated (ie: lowered) by adding years that will almost certainly have greatly reduced production.
Case in point, Xander got a much lower AAV of $25M because they tacked on additional years through Age 40.
I was just replying to the guy who was using aav. I usually use total contract, but then I get somebody saying you have to use AAV 🙂
My Yankees just didn’t enough $ to spend. Looking forward to the move to Oakland. So exciting.
@FPG. I think tucker goes to the mets maybe back to the cubs. Bo is gone just don’t where. Okamuto was the pivot. I originally said he was playing lf, but it’s probably 3rd with barger in the outfield
Rex – The Mets are always a possibility based on their history with free agents. If the Jays don’t land Tucker or Bellinger, I see Bo returning to Toronto and playing 2B.
Do the pirates have a lefty fireballer in the pen?
Loporfido is primed for a break out.
@Grr…in “the pen” they have Felipe Vazquez. But in all seriousness…they just traded for Mason Montgomery.
Pirates were never that interested in a longterm deal for an unproven japanese 1B
Bo Bichette would solve everything but i think pirates are playing with about 10-15 mil right now.
Looking like IKF could be their top target, with Triolo starting at 3B. And potentially bringing back McCutchen
IDFK about IKF
Maybe? Would still be nice the know how close the Bucs were at getting Okamono
I doubt there was much real interest
Cutch, a cheap 3B/SS , and a vet SP
@ Goku
Fox, meet grapes
Im the only one being realistic
Sorry
The Pirates aren’t a team that could afford such a risky signing. The guy hasn’t faced MLB pitching and hasn’t fielded here. Given the team’s financial “limitations” and their need for a legitimate additional bat, I’m not sure how signing Okamoto would have made sense.
There are still options out there for signing or trading. Hopefully the Pirates get a guy who’s shown himself to be a real upgrade for this offense
Agreed. Risky pickup for Pirates
Extremely risky decision for Okamoto
Never made much sense for either side
Bob Nutting, is that you?
IKF would be a playable ss but we already got one named Triolo, so IKF adds no value other than veteran leadership. Cutch is no more than a short side platoon dh at this point. Signing either one would be surrender at this point. They want to move ahead, not back. Love Cutch but he needs to sign with Dodgers / Yankees / Mets or retire.
Agreed and yet, the Pirates need the good PR, especially after last season. I can’t see any of the teams you listed being interested in his services now
And agree about IKF. No thanks. Go and get a 3rd baseman. Open the checkbook one more time. The Pirates have enough utility players
Triolo prob gonna start at 3B
Pirates prob looking at a backup UTIL/SS for Konnor
Cutch would be crucial against LHP
Not ideal with him incapable of fielding, but its the Pirates after all
They need one more bat Goku and I’m of the belief that given his most recent comments, Cherington knows it
Naturally, getting a 3rd baseman with some pop makes most sense but the trick now is to not detract from their starting pitching.
Kind of limits them to a signing or trade limited to teams looking for promising younger pitchers on the cusp, perhaps.
I want to believe in Triolo but he’s never shown consistency at the plate
I agree. I just think that bat is Cutch
Does Konner make Opening Day roster? I think if he aces ST yes, but no guarantees.
They will start him in AAA if he aces ST but otherwise a few weeks in AA then a few months in AAA.
Acing ST is no big deal.
Old Buc-Those three teams would not need nor want Cutch.
It is best for all if he retires with his last season still being a respectable one.
@goku. I thought you gave up on baseball, and went to planet namek. Welcome back.
Thankyou. I did. But came back when they signed Ohearn and G Soto & made a really good trade
Chasing it
5/120 millions
Where did you see that? I have been waiting to see how much he got.
Jon Morosi this was your chance! LOL
Or maybe it opens up a trade opportunity for an outfielder and/or third base option with Cherrington’s Jays. Jays don’t seem to need pitching, but utilities and depth anywhere?
Last thing the Pirates need is an OFer in an already cluttered field at the moment. If Pirates went for more OF, I’d have them get back on the phone for Duran. If I had my way, Duran in, Oneil Cruz out by trade. OF wouldn’t be too bad with Duran LF, Mangum CF, and RF Ohearn. Reynolds to DH with potential to spot start in the OF to rest one of the 3 above. Jack being a defensive replacement and 5th OFer. Leaving Garcia in AAA for now as Triolo, Endy Rod, and others can cover RF sparingly. Pirates just need a 3B and there aren’t many options beyond signing Saurez or Bregman now. Moncado (was released before Christmas) is a shell of his former glory and not feasible starter the Pirates need. Okamoto was the last hope to have a serviceable 3B within Pittsburghs pocket book. I don’t think Saurez or Bregman will get 160 million contract. I can see 90-120 million/3-4 years. This market has shown (outside of Toronto overpay for Cease 210/7 years) that clubs are going between 3-5 years. CBA is coming up and teams are reluctant to overplay their hand. So it seems logical Saurez and Bregman get 90-120/3-4 years. The only 3 players that hit 100 million plateau was Cease, Schwarber, and Alonso with Naylor following the later 3 with 92 million/5 years. King is next with 75 million.
The market is weak this year and values of these players are lower and shorter than expected. Cody Bolli is still out there and not sure if he will get anything beyond 120 million as well. This year is weird and strange. Not what we are accustomed too. Begin to wonder if Salary Cap and Floor is being privately discussed separately between owners and players. They can have formal talks, without breaking current CBA rules. Not saying this is what they are doing, but it’s awful strange to see the market being too stinge with length and avg this year. CBA ends in January of 2028. These 3-5 year deals, seems to make it possible for salary cap if they league finally goes that route.
I’m actually hoping the Phillies sign Bregman, which would make Bohm available here. I try to take the comments of Phillies fans with a grain of salt but from what I’ve seen, the kid’s a gamer, something this team could use
And yes, I’d trade Cruz in a heartbeat, as you suggested
I thought of a trade last night after I posted the later comment.
3 Team trade:
D’Backs get:
Oneil Cruz from Pirates
Tremmar Johnson from Pirates
Blake Wehunt from Red Sox
Red Sox get:
Ketel Marte from D’Backs
Hunter Barco from Pirates
Pirates get:
Jarren Duran from Red Sox
I think Red Sox gain more, but thought Pirates would have to pay more for the trade
Yeah, agreed. A 3-team trade again likely makes a great deal of sense. But there’s still 3rd base. Triolo and Nick down there and hopes Griffin is ready out of spring training?
@WashedUp and Pirates…I agree with both of you on the 3 team trade aspect. But, personally, I think the Pirates need Marte more than Duran. A middle infield of Konnor Griffin and Marte is a lovely combo, assuming Griffin doesn’t turn to mush against MLB pitching. Triolo can handle 3rd just fine in this instance. And I also wouldn’t trade Cruz just yet. His value is too low. I get the logic out of just trying to get what you can while there is still some sort of value left, but why? What if he does figure it out? His value to the Pirates skyrockets. So, what if he doesn’t figure it out? What if this is just the player that he is? Does his value really plummet all that much from what it is today? I personally don’t think so. Basically, hoping for the value he could have for the Pirates is far greater than the value he could lose by having another season like he had last year.
Yeah, your points are well taken, of course, and I’d hope someone can get into Cruz’s head.
I like Marte, but what happens then with Lowe? He moves to outfield? And you have a problem already at 1st with two 1st basemen
These are pleasant problems if a trade like the one you describe takes place. Just not sure how it would work
Diamondbacks aren’t getting enough for the Marte trade.
Given what I’ve read in terms of what they’re looking for in return, that seems to be the case.
You’re exactly right on Lowe. My best attempt at a lineup would be a mixture of Lowe, Marte, Horwitz all getting DH, 1B, and 2B reps.
The Pirates tried to get Duran for Keller and the Red Sox would not do it.
Duran is a nice player but not worth three premium players.
Barco should be untouchable.
Johnson is the second baseman of the future.Let’s see how he does in AAA.
Cruz is tradeable although now at his trade nadir but has fine tools so I would give up a good minor leaguer with him for Duran but that is it.
I think the jury is out on Termarr. Hopefully he evolves but so far, he’s falling into the middle infielder that doesn’t make the impact we hoped he would category.
I like kzw’s line up but I don’t know how it would get done and if it did, where you’d put everyone.
Agree completely about Duran and truthfully, I’d hope the starting pitching staff is now untouchable
Per BTV
DBacks +$48 million – $69 million = -$21 million
Cruz $38 million
Johnson $8 million
Wehunt $2 million
Red Sox +87 million – $48 million = +$39 million
Marte $69 million
Barco $18 million
Pirates +$46 -$64 million = -$18 million
Duran $46 million
BTV disagrees with your player valuations.
How many times are they going to repost this article? We get it, he signed with Toronto. News is slow, I get it. Some of the top prospects aren’t signing yet, but let’s not keep posting the same stuff over and over again.
Ross is just balling out of control this off season
What will Kohl, Marshall or T.J. do in response?
Bhd360- if a team like the Blue Jays wins even one World Series, and a few playoff runs, during this upcoming window based on Guerrero/Cease, etc….the contracts pay for themselves.
What the Ivy Leaguers (ultra-value analytics guys) dont get IMO is the total construction of a 26Man roster. Stacking talent doesnt necessarily have to be the highest priced guys. You need to find complementary pieces that are still good ball players, not just the ones who have “great underlying metrics” and fit nicely into the budget.
Andrew Friedman says you need to be slightly irrational about free agency, and, I agree
Friedman was a Bear Stearns analyst before moving to another private equity firm. It’s odd to slag on the people who use analytics and then end with a quote with a guy who made analytics his career.
And I’ll just throw out that if me, a humble crack filler understands the maxim that the sum can be greater than its parts, that it’s in the realm of possibility that someone with an Ivy League education can understand that as well.
MAM – Friedman was pointing out that analytics is a tool, and not the be all, end all of decision making.
The full blown adherence to analytical decision making means you never deviate. It’s the basis of casino gambling. There are wins and loses, but the house edge that you build-in means over the long term, in this case 162 games, you win more than you lose. It’s exactly the reason why the Rays continue to have a long run of success.
It’s also the reason why they can’t win the world series. Baseball is still a game played by humans. (As much as Driveline wants to build an army of robot players who look the sane and do the same things).
You need to have star(s). You need multiple great players. You need someone to throw the team on their back.
Clutch and WAR are not the same!
Not disagreeing on the fact that you need multiple stars to win it all and throw the team on their back, but this whole anti-analytics/driveline slant is nonsense.
The difference isn’t analytics or not, the difference is payroll resources. Friedman runs the Dodgers with the same analytics approach as he ran the Rays, except now he has no financial constraints. What exactly does that have to do with analytics in general or driveline in specific?
GoodVibes – yes, the Dodgers have basically unlimited resources. But, so do a lot of other teams (whether they want to admit it or not). As a matter of fact, most baseball team could easily spend $175-200m. They choose not too. The first rule of business is “you have to spend money to make money”.
The reason for the tie in to analytics and Driveline is the crutch that it has become for cheapness. If youre constantly finding “value” in the same group of C+ players, then you dont have to step up and spend on B+ players to supplement.
Bear Stearns Schmear Burns. Rather be Paine Webber. People listen
Pretty sure it was E.F. Hutton vs Paine Webber but feeling all too old even typing any of this.
MAM
” it’s in the realm of possibility that someone with an Ivy League education can understand that as well.”
LOL
Exactly
So funny to see all these people insisting that the Ivy League educated POBO’s and GM’s with their teams of nerds trained in statistical analysis don’t see what some dude who’s true mathematical understanding probably topped in somewhere between 7th and 12th grade thinks he sees. “But, I watch the games!”. Gonna guess some of these dudes watch the games as well.
SS3
“It’s also the reason why they can’t win the world series”
You don’t know that. You’re completely talking out of your [butt”]
“You need to have star(s). You need multiple great players. You need someone to throw the team on their back.”
Same. Talking out of your [butt].
“Clutch and WAR are not the same!”
This is true.
WAR is a mathematical model of player performance
Cutch is an idea that people who don’t understand sample size think that they can see from small sample performance.
SS3
“Andrew Friedman says you need to be slightly irrational about free agency, and, I agree”
What he said was, something to the effect of, “If you are completely rational about free agency, you will finish 3rd on every free agent”.
This has nothing to do with if analytics is good or not. He was just saying that if your analytics says that a player is worth $100 million, you will have to pay more than $100 million to get them, because other teams will also pay more than $100 million
“Stacking talent doesnt necessarily have to be the highest priced guys. You need to find complementary pieces that are still good ball players, not just the ones who have “great underlying metrics” and fit nicely into the budget.”
Why can’t “the ones who have “great underlying metrics” and fit nicely into the budget.”” be the complimentary pieces?
Good for them, I like it.
Uh huh uh huh. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Uh huh.
A Japanese player is signing with the Blue Jays?
I won’t believe it until the media reports a mysterious airplane flying out of The OC’s John Wayne airport that is heading to Toronto.
Book it Pilgrim….
The AL East is without a doubt the toughest division in baseball in 2026. Even the Rays have a chance of being over .500 this year. Toronto has to be the favorites (even over the Dodgers) to win it all this year but don’t be surprised if they end up finishing 2nd in the AL East. NY, BAL & BOS all have a chance to win the AL East this year if everything goes right for them. It should be a fun year for sure!
NL seems a bit more even competition wise. NL West is strong but may have a few teams taking steps back. NL East is usually tough. Marlins could be decent.
The NL East is not strong as of now. The Phillies and Mets could turn things around and make it interesting, but so far only the Braves have improved and the rest of the teams have gone backwards.
Toughest division in North American sports 20 years straight now
You’re forgetting the MLS Northwest conference. Sounders, Timbers LAFC and Utah Saints all tough outs. Or what about the old Norris division. Throw out the records when the North Stars-Blackhawks-Blues-Red Wings dusted up. Named after TV rough Hauser Chuck
I was just thinking about that division the other night Theo
Isn’t Okamoto the guy who said he wants to slay the Dodgers? Or was that Imai?
Imai.
Hopefully we fulfill his wishes.
👀
4/60 is a steal in this market. The Angels better have a 3B ace up their sleeve or this is another Perry Moreno debacle.
Looking at what Murakami got, and Imai the other day, it seems as this class of Japanese free agents are viewed as more B level than A level. Each one brings some talent, but also some question marks. Okamoto appears to be the strongest of the trio.
Left field
@oppo nacho. About to say what position is he playing. I guess outfield it is.
He’s played 24 games in the OF in the past 3 years and doesn’t seem to be very good out there either. Doesnt seem like the right fit if he’s expected to play the grass.
err… play the artifical grass!
he will play 3B and Bo is gone.
He will play 3B, 1B and DH. Springer will DH more allowing Barger to play in RF. Santander if hes healthy and back to form will play DH if he comes out of spring swinging. If hes not, bench duties it is. I could also see Springer playing LF more, and Barger in RF.
Either way, the team has depth, a lot of talent and now have to repeat by getting back to the finals. A Bichette or Tucker signing will make us a front runner to win the pennant again, but its baseball, nothing is concrete. If you follow the Dodgers though, signing all the talent gives you a much better chance.
Go Jays Go!
unlikely he will play OF. only about 70 games there in his career and notwithstanding glowing reviews. He us 3b sad occasionally 1b/DH
Bo doesn’t have to be gone to accommodate Okamoto necessarily. Bo was unlikely to play 3B. He’d probably still move over to 2B if they went that route. I think the bigger reason this signals Bo is likely gone is more about how much they value defense and Okamoto isn’t super highly regarded with the glove and Bo is not a good fielder. Also the money. Real money probably isn’t a huge factor, but CBT calculations probably matter to some extent.
Springer is the DH, Santander needs to play the of if hes in the lineup
Yeah, but Clement should be an every day second baseman.
He won’t come close to Bo’s output, and I don’t Springer having another year like last year! Check his record!
Springer almost always dh’d last season
A bunch of players are on the outside looking in already
Satander is a backup on the depth chart for Pete’s sake
Spudchukar, I don’t think Clement should be an everyday player. Great glove but really didn’t hit at all against right handed pitching. Even his performance against left handed pitchers was a huge overperformance of his peripherals. Nice insurance policy since the glove is good enough. But I don’t think his existence stops you from adding. He can start against lefties and cover the whole infield if other guys need days off against righties. Plus late game matchups off the bench as a pinch hitter or defensive replacement. He doesn’t need to be in the primary lineup vs RHP to still project to get a lot of playing time.
I’m not Ross Atkins or one of his assistants, but like the moves so far. I was happy the Jays got Santander last year but not happy with what I saw him do and not do. If he has a market, I would suggest the Jays trade him now and use the savings for the Tucker and Bichette sign-ups. Bregman could still be an option…
I love Ernie and while I agree, he could be the everyday second baseman, I think it underutilizes his greatest strength, his versatility and we are a better, deeper team if he is our Utility infielder.
“the 29-year-old now projects to be the Jays’ regular third baseman.”
Outfield now consists of Springer/Santander-Varsho-Lukes/Barger/Schnider/Okamoto
So you’re saying they may be in on Tucker still…
I forgot Straw so Yaa could still see Tucker lol
So fun to spend other people’s money in fantasy land!
#bigdaddyt
So you’re saying there’s room for another? 😉
Schneider, Straw and Lukes are bench pieces. Easily jettsoned.
Okamoto is rated at BA as being above average at 3B. So he will play there mostly. Some 1B.
Springer is DH. Varsho, Santander and Tucker could be the OF. Barger and Clement will still play plenty as part of platoon and when slumps and injury hit.
They also have Loperfido and Clase in AAA
Depth is necessary. It’s a long season.
The Jays are going to lose some of that depth. They are going to have to make a corresponding move to push someone off the 40. Okamoto is 41 on the 40 man.
Fangraphs has his fielding at a 40 on the 20/80 scale. Not that good. Speed at a 30. Really not that good. His bat plays very well though.
Might as well let the other two sit down while Varsho covers the entire outfield.
Loperfido should get a chance some of the year. Hopefully Straw will be mostly in AAA.
@smuzqwpdmx
Straw doesn’t have any options so he would have to clear waivers to be sent down. Which means he would also be outrighted off the 40 man. Since he has already been outrighted, he has a choice of electing FA. So to get the Jays best option at 4th OF he would have to go unclaimed and not elect FA.
The Jays have a lot of corner options but no one that can cover the OF better than Straw.
@NoSaint Straw still has $9M guaranteed on his contract, there’s a 0.0000% chance of anyone claiming that albatross contract on waivers and all the best to them if they want to pay that much for a guy who can’t hit.
Lukes’ glove is certainly good enough to be the backup center fielder, and he can hit the ball. Straw only potentially factors in if Varsho is hurt again.
@smuzqwpdmx
Per Roster Resource, Straw is owed 7.4M in ’26 and 8M in ’27. Pretty good money for a 4th OF. He also had a 91 wRC+ last year. Certainly below average, but bad. And he put up 1.8 fWAR in ’25 or 18M in value.
If he gets DFA’ed there certainly could be a taker.
$7.4M + $1.75M buyout = $9.15M guaranteed. For a guy who spent all but 4 plate appearances in the minor leagues in 2024 and has only had a couple of seasons where he hit enough to be a good 4th outfielder. He was worth a roster spot last year because he was fortunate, but the odds of equaling last year’s production are low.
Fangraphs shows four different projections systems for Straw giving him between -0.1 and +0.1 WAR in 2026. Exactly which team wants to devote $9.15M to an exactly replacement level player who they could by definition get an equal of for the league minimum?
@smuzqwpdmx
That is indeed what Straw is owed. But Cleveland is picking up 400K of his signing bonus, plus another 1M as part of the trade. The Jays liability is 6M for ’26. I confirmed this number on Cotts contracts.
The 1.75M buy out is also being paid by Cleveland making the Jays exposure still 6M for ’26.
Last year in about 700 innings (a little more than half a season) in the OF he had an 18 DRS and 9 OAA. The definition is a light bat with a really good glove. For 6M for a 4th OF, ya, I’d take that action.
Tucker was the best man in Straw’s wedding….he may be sticking around for other reasons….despite being a solid 4th outfielder.
They definitely don’t need another OF as they have 3 too many already
If you can sign Tucker most of those guys are expendable.
City planner
I guess Bo Bichette is gone with Okomoto signing with the Jays.
Nah, looks like Okomoto is playing outfield
source?
Loperfido was great for the Jays down the stretch, Heineman too.
That team played well together.
A good bullpen arm could probably land Loperfido and he could slot in your starting lineup this season.
Lopo and an a ball prospect to the pirates for a lefty reliever
I’m just assuming the pirates have a a lefty fireballer set up man of note!
lol
…pirates or someone like the pirates.
Either way a team like pitts should be all over Joey.
Latest in a long line of above average hitting prospect that got squeezed out of Houston! …. And now Toronto.
Kids more than worth giving a 500 at bat look at
3B.
Fj, “…the 29-year-old now projects to be the Jays’ regular third baseman.”
That’s just speculation on the part of MLB trade rumors. It doesn’t mean he’s actually playing third base until the Jays say it.
Bichette had his chance. Toronto didn’t like his ask.
Bo can still play second base. Berger goes to the outfield and Clement is super utility. I feel like it’s less likely they sign Tucker than Bo after this signing. With everything they’ve spent this off season it seems unlikely they’ll have enough funds for Tucker. It’s more likely they would have the funds left for Bo than Tucker.
If Bo was returning he would already be signed by now. He might be pissed off at the Blue Jays and feel slighted for not offering him a contract extension earlier. The Blue Jays have already expended a lot of funds, they could be done. (They would be smart to be done, but we know Ross Atkins does not have an over abundance of smarts.) He certainly has a loaded checkbook though.
Not necessarily. There were a lot of rumors the Blue Jays were going to wait until Bo had some offers in hand and then decide whether or not they were going to match them or to exceed them. There haven’t been any rumors of him getting a firm offer yet. It’s all just speculation at this point.
Why would they be smart to be done? Make the team as good as possible. Rogers has tons of money.
I don’t think Bo would be pissed off about not getting an extension offer. He always said that wasn’t his priority and basically hinted he was happy to bet on himself. They worked out the three year deal to bypass the whole arbitration process. That seemed to be a mutual understanding that he was going to go to free agency.
With all due respect, as a Jays fan since 77, they have enough funds to hire everybody. It’s all about team construction and chemistry. Are they happy with everyone they have, can they do better. I expect trades and more signings.
In 1992 the Blue Jays won the World Series, and then in the offseason (and in-season 1993) added 12 or 13 new faces and won again. The Dodgers team that won in 2024 wasn’t identical to this year’s team. Winners keep trying to win. Players age or improve, players find skills they didn’t have before. Games need to be played. Off-season fun but not the final say…
Winning means bigger paychecks for players, and tough decisions by front offices. Players leaving as free agents.
Then a rebuild or reset.
You loose have of your administration and coaches too.
See the post champion raptors as exibit a
I read once they lost around 30 execs coaches and trainers in the 24 months following the title.
Eeeeeverybody got a promotion somewhere else!
Same thing happened to the Cardinals during 2011-2015. Lots of external “promotions”.
Here go the Blue Jays ruining baseball by just buying all the players. Salary Cap!!!
Better than going to the dodgers ..
Dodgers had zero interest. Glad to see another team not afraid to spend money to improve their team.
Oh totally!
What ring is being kissed?
Sure. The Dodgers would prefer Bichette anyway. 😀
Max muncy and Freddie freeman are better and more proven than okamoto
Regards, Captain Obvious
I blame Boras
SandlotBenchWarmer: For what? A player signing a contract? That is his business, you know.
I’m not sure who else to blame. I want to see what Pittsburgh offered. I was told they were not being considered because they don’t have Disneyworld.
SandlotBenchWarmer: What’s it to you and why do you need to blame anyone? People in the industry are just going about their business.
You’re right. I should just be happy for the Blue Jays.
What does Disneyworld have anything to do with it?
Only Florida has Disney World, but Ontario was where Walt Disney’s father was born, so the Blue Jays have that.
I blame George Steinbrenner
Ha Ha! Love it!
“Blame Canada! It isn’t a real country, anyway”
Jays going all in! Guess Bregman will be heading back to Boston. The 3B market is starting to shrink.
Motor – I’m still thinking Suarez to the Red Sox, more power and much cheaper price.
Fever Pitch Guy: Plus more strikeouts and lower BA.
Alfred – That’s part of why he’s cheap ;O)
Even if you view Bregman as a better hitter, and of course a better fielder, is he worth $100M more than Suarez? I’d say no.
Considering that Bregman’s extra $100 mil is going to cover more years and at younger ages with a broader skill set, I might disagree.
Is Bregman worth $100mil more than Suarez? Ask the people spending the money.
NYY – A 2-year age difference is immaterial.
Guess who had the higher WAR last year? Suarez.
Both players are probably good for a couple more solid seasons …. why spend the extra $100M on Bregman’s additional 3 decline years? After the first 6 weeks of last season he sucked and he was injured for a long time. Do the Sox really want to go through the same thing with Bregman that they went through with Story from 2022-2024?
Bob – The people spending the money have often acknowledged they have to overpay if they want to get the players they are targeting.
Spending money doesn’t equate to player value, there’s many factors including supply & demand at the time of the acquisition.
Did someone say cheaper? John Henry has joined the chat.
Add Suarez for a couple years and then give the job to one of their young infielders? Makes sense. I haven’t seen an update on the offer Boston supposedly made to Bregman. I’m hoping the Tigers stay far away from him this time around.
Motor – Moreno Pepen, who is a bit of a clown, reported the Sox offered Bregman $160M/5yrs.
Unless it includes heavy deferrals, that’s exactly the AAV he got last year.
Some players are worth $150M+ contracts …. Bregman is not.
Yaaa I can see his D being solid, but his hitting is going to diminish soon enough. Unless he continues to surge forward like Springer. If I were the Mariners, I’d try and sign Bregman now that Polanco isn’t returning.
If the Mariners would expend the amount of funds to obtain Bregman, I would MUCH rather they use those funds towards Bichette. Bichette is way younger and will be among the league leaders in hits and batting average for the next half decade at least. Bregman is over the hill, in his sunset years. (But anyways the Mariners are not looking at any financial outlays that large so it’s a moot point.)
Thats fair but Bichette needs to come Home to my Jays lmao
Cashman still nappy nap time
They’re putting a lot of faith into the kids which I would be 100% on board with if it wasn’t for the fact that Judge is in danger of never getting a ring in his career.
Wrian Washman: There are much bigger tragedies than Judge never getting a ring.
@washman
Judge and about 250 other players. No one is entitled to win one.
Aw but jeez, don’t you feel badly for Judge? No ring? What a thought. Poor guy.
Who said anything about entitled? As a fan I’m invested in Judges greatness on my team and desire an all in approach by our FO to help him win. Otherwise, I’m generally against signing expensive risks (particularly Scott Boras clients) and letting kids play. Any other interpretation you gathered from that is on you and I won’t validate your ‘spoiled entitled Yankee fan’ grudges.
If judge spends his entire career in the Bronx and doesn’t win a ring then that will be an asterisk on his resume for the rest of his life (even though baseball is a team sport)
sad – It wasn’t for Mattingly.
And check out Ernie Banks (I know, Cubs didn’t have the expectations that the Yankees have).
Washman, putting faith in which kids? All I see is Dominguez. The Yankees have a very experienced and veteran roster.
Well that’s kind of living up to your handle.
The Yanks only projected starting position players over 31 are Judge & Stanton, and only McMahon joins them over 30.
But to your point their roster is experienced. And the pitching is older than the position group but there’s youth there too.
And its not like NY is blocking kids in the minors.
Cole’s return over rides all these moves by the Jays!
Cope
Error in Judgement had his World Series and dropped a pop up that a two year could have caught.
slider32: Maybe, but only if he returns to his former elite level. Nothing is guaranteed.
Must be nice to have an owner who cares about winning. As much as MLB wants to talk about time of game, crappy owners are the game’s biggest problem. There are no checks and balances with them. The commissioner works for them.
The players, the MLBPA, is the check and balance
Always side with the players. And ignore these ideas of “overpaid” players. That’s ownership propaganda.
That’s not it. Small market teams can’t spend 300 mil on payroll.
Every player is overpaid imo. It’s usually more entertaining watching my nephews and nieces sporting events than it is going to pro games. Their games might cost $5 to attend and parking is free. But we adults need someone to acknowledge as having real skill for the kids to look up too. Even if that skill is bread and or circus, usually circus
oyd
“Every player is overpaid imo”
How so? You might prefer watching children play, but MLB is a multi billion dollar business.
If that money doesn’t go to the players, where should it go?
Maybe nurses, teachers, concrete workers, plumbers, custodians. Plenty of unheralded hardworking people. Minimum wage was raised to $7.25 in 2009, mlb minimum at the time $400,000. Their minimum has almost doubled since then and contracts have gotten so large they had to make rules about how they calculate their value with inflation. I can’t believe the value we give for circus compared to useful necessary everyday workers
The money has to go to the players. The MLB team is a business and they pay players and a bunch of of field workers to run it. In the end, it generates revenue.
So you’re saying that players play for free and all of their money is split between nurses, teachers, and the other people. The major leagues are talented, and more pay (a lot more pay) is their “reward” for the talent.
ohd
I agree that minimum wage and other low paying jobs should be compensated better
People voluntarily gave around $12,000,0000,000 to MLB last year.
How would you transfer that money from MLB to “nurses, teachers, concrete workers, plumbers, custodians”, etc?
The overall point should pertain to all professional and now, college athletics, no?
I’m a dinosaur but the money of owners, players, organizations like the NCAA and now betting houses has killed the integrity and “sanctity” of sports.
But before I yell at you to get off my lawn, yeah, how do you redirect money? The genie is out of the bottle. Worldwide, our priorities are out of whack
WUOT
“how do you redirect money? ”
I can think of one way.
But most of the people who complain about this really hate it.
I’m not complaining, per se.
Times change and you either roll with the changes or live in the past
I watch the games because…I love the game.
That’s all
I filter out such issues
But the original thought is right. A lot of struggling people doing extremely worthwhile things while people are playing games and getting paid quite well for it.
No one said life was gonna be fair
WOUT
To be fair (PNI), much of the injustice in the world is due to the conscious actions and choices of humans. It’s not the immutabile nature of the universe. And throwing up our hands and saying “life’s not fair” is the reason that it continues.
Disagree somewhat Juan
While you’re right in noting the idea of choices individuals make and that’s both accurate and understandable, there are inescapable truths, as well
Police officers working in difficult situations, doctors and nurses working in ER’s, inner city teachers (like me) all dealing with almost indescribable situations most people can’t fathom—yes, we made the choices we did. But the idea that life’s not fair resonates a bit more in that one’s duties are often simply are either simply ignored or taken for granted while doing for the greater good. That’s all. In comparing those duties and the income within with what one sees in other lines of work that reap incredible windfalls, it points to priorities of the world at large that seem misguided. Nothing more
I don’t discard the efforts pro athletes must make but in such a scale of what’s important and what’s not, it simply seems unfair.
No complaints. I would not have traded my 30+ years as a teacher and coach. I was never fated to be a pro athlete. But it’s not a complaint to point out that as a world, our values are skewed, that’s all
And beyond all that, I’m not sure what choices we in such lines of work ever really had
WOUT
Those aren’t the choices that I’m talking about.
“it points to priorities of the world at large that seem misguided.”
These are the choices that I’m talking about. We, as a species, don’t have to sit by and ignore injustice. We choose to.
Agreed 100%. Thanks for the clarification.
Support locally owned businesses, donate to schools hospitals museums , contact your senator and representatives. Not advocating for taking money away from players and handing it out. Only pointing out they make plenty of money for what they do and I think we all spend too much on circus. We speak with our money and we, myself included, make poor choices. Buy cheaper tickets and bring your own drinks I guess
And vote for people who will tax the [heck] out of millionaires and use that money to provide support for low income people.
First off, I come from the generation in which you could bring your own food and drink. Those were the days. Nothing like a $12 can of beer or $8 hot dog now
Second, I agree with your comments but don’t forget, you are supporting franchises when you are purchasing from their sponsors. You have cable TV? You’re supporting pro sports. Etc
Standing ovation for this one, Juan
We don’t need to tax the wealthy. We need them to pay their workers real wages
Sorry, we need both. Why am I paying more tax than million-and billionaires? I’m gonna refrain from any more comments on this theme so as not to stray too far from baseball. But cmon
What? I wasn’t alive back in the day, but I heard you could get a loaf of what is know $5 bread for 50 cents or something.
Hey, a hamburger for 20 cents. A gallon of gas for a quarter. You missed the fun, young’un
Sounds like I did. Thanks for telling me about these things.
oyd
Why not both?
Now do wages at that time
Dumb fans are the games biggest problem. Somehow the nfl has convinced their simpleton fans that each team has a chance to win every year while mlb has better parity and yet because their ignorant tards think signing Soto to a low budget team is smart and why their team has no chance to win despite the Mets not making the playoffs.
ThatsIT? Only an ignorant tard would call any team signing a player like Soto a low-budget team.
Takes one to know one, I suppose. 🤷♂️
@ThatsIT?You are def not in any position to be calling anyone dumb, ignorant tards.
Would you change your opinion if he was sitting in front of a mirror?
I’m sure it is nice to root for a team bringing in extra local TV money so you can ignore what is wrong with parity of most of the teams in the sport.
He lost me at “MLB has more parity”. Yeah. Ok.
In the 21st century, the Patriots and Chiefs have won what percentage of all the Super Bowls? Quite a bit. There is a lot of perennialy crappy teams in the NFL as well, defined by bad owners. And just because a team like the Blue Jays has opened up its checkbook and lavished money hither and yon does not make them a smart and astute front office all of a sudden.
Check for yourself. See how many teams have won the championships in the NFL and NBA in the last 25 years.
There’s a reason the Dodgers are the first back to back world series winner this century. Parity.
Current Jays ownership very smart. Bought stadium for $25 million, renovated to tune of $300 million. Renovated spring training/rehab complex in Florida with millions more. Have won back-to-back World Series with a prior owner and current owner is following that playbook (also current owner also owns multiple sports franchises in hockey, baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc.). The Jays have rebuilt the farm system and hired bright people to build teams people will follow (and do). I want to see a team that competes and the Blue Jays do.
I mainly meant Ross Atkins. I don’t doubt their ownership group is smart, other than continuing to employ Atkins.
It took Rogers 25 years to realize this.
Big news, but where does he fit into their team?
Left field, 3rd base platoon. Upgrade on Lukes.
Also an option at 1B to spell Vlad.
24 starts in the OF in 3 seasons combined.
That doesn’t mean he’s not capable of playing the position if he gets enough reps. Soderstrom and Varsho both went from catcher to the outfield and did it spectacularly. I’m not saying he’s going to play there at that level, but it’s certainly possible that he can play a passable left field with enough reps.
Santander: exists
does he though?
Roster Resource has him penciled in at 3B…
“…the 29-year-old now projects to be the Jays’ regular third baseman.”
I don’t know why people keep bringing that up like it means something. That’s pure speculation on MLB trade rumors part. It doesn’t really mean anything until the Blue Jays say it.
Actually, now that I think about it, Barger is going to have to play third or the outfield, so it’s probably better to just put Barger in the OF. I’m not a big fan of the idea if it might mean Bo is not resigning though.
It means a lot more than you just speculating that he will play in the outfield ! All the evidence from all the various sources and his own playing career point to him as being your third baseman to an overwhelming extent. Yeah it may not be ideal for your preferred roster construction; but nobody has ever deemed Ross Atkins as a brilliant GM in that regard or any regard.
I liked Barger in the World Series. Guy had a cannon in RF and swings like he wants to hurt the ball.
At this point the Jays don’t “need” Bo. I still think they sign him. Or the Dodgers swoop in on a shorter term deal.
While he could definitely help the Dodgers, I would like to see him start with the Jays.
It was such a good story when the MLB sons came up together there. I know it didn’t work out for Biggio, but it always felt like they should stick there
The Blue Jays have also never kept one of their stars for their entire career before. I realize that’s likely to happen with Vlad at this point, but it would be nice to have more than one. Especially keeping two stars that came up together their entire careers. I’m going to be very disappointed if they let him walk. They will lose a lot of goodwill they’ve built up (at least with me anyway).
@jays fan since 92
It’s likely Toronto made their offer to Bo, and he wanted more.
There’s never been any report that anyone’s made a firm offer to him. The Jays beat reporter said that they are not out on Bichette on Tucker.
Injured List.
Aloha folks! Wow! So then Bregman to the Red Sox, Tucker to NY Mets/Dodgers and Bo where? I wish Okamoto-san well in Toronto! Mahalo!
It could be a small enough commitment that the Jays could still be in on Tucker, no? If they can make it work position wise. I’ll tell ya one thing Tucker isn’t going to the Mets as a Mets fan it’s crystal clear Stearns has no interest shopping in the big boy aisle of free agency.
Doubtful.
Unless they plan to move Barger.
I would say this is the last big move for the jays unless they get saucey and package Barger, loperfido up for Marte
Marte?
What if the Mets sign Bo AND Tucker?
They’d miss the playoffs again?
Wow! Seems like you had a very nice dream. (If you’re a Mets fan)
According to the Blue Jays beat reporter, this deal does not take them out of the market for Bo or Tucker. They are still waiting out both markets. Bo was never going to play third base. It was always going to be second base or possibly shortstop. To be honest, if they sign Bo I would play Clement at short and have Gimenez be a defensive replacement (I know he has the bigger contract but they’re clearly not going to let money stop them from having the better team) and move Barger to the OF. They can make room for Tucker or Bo just as easily as the other.
Agreed. Clement has played well at short starting in 2023 when Bo hurt his knee the first time. He can handle it. Imagine the lineup if Bo re-signs to play second base?
My sources are saying the Cubs checked in on him 😂
Bichette to NYM or LAD or Cubs. Not completely serious, just going with keeping him in a blue uniform .
Mets? Um, no.
Just read your last line. My bad.
As much as Bichette is a clear upgrade at 2B for the Dodgers I wonder if they have too many players already committed there for playing time, including Edman/Rojas/Kim. Edman could of course take down CF but not ideal. Rojas/Kim could both play elsewhere off the bench but 2B is clearly their best positions right now.
I’m guessing it’s Tucker on a shorter term high AAV deal or trade for an OF.
Or maybe Michigan. Go Blue!
Don’t forget KC. Lots of blue.
Bichette would look fantastic in Mariner blue (or teal.)
KO to TO to SO like Gall-o.
Good for them. Hopefully this sparks the stove back up
dirt – I’d say it most definitely will.
To play LF and DH? And they’re still on Bichette and Tucker? The Canadian dollar must be strong these days.
Blue Jays gonna have a juggernaut offense.
They are looking soft to me.
Bullpen looks like it will be real good, Rotation could be real good. Jays pitching is their strength.
The East is a beast, didn’t they finish last 2 years ago with the same players?
That comment doesn’t even deserve a response. lol same players
The Jays were third in runs scored last year. Why would you think the offense would be soft? Assuming they still sign one of Tucker or Bo it’s likely to be even better this season.
Did not see this one coming
The Blue Jays are ruining baseball.
👀
This is a good bit.
Lol not even close to what your team has been doing.
Some jokes are like airplanes.
Blue: Gotta dumb the humor down for this audience.
Every joke goes over Yankee fans’ heads.
Just heard Ohtani got busted for betting on the Jays last year!
Humor also requires something funny. Preferably original.
This one actually went over my head until I diagrammed it out. Much better!!
He did dumb down the humor for that one. I’ve seen that comment more times than I can count.
Especially satire. Every day it gets harder to distinguish from the news.
Apologies. You might have to use both hands.
Do you have something against being original? Your jokes and comebacks are like the village bicycle. Everyone’s had a turn.
I’m sorry, I will try to tell them more slowly next time.
what with their big-$CAD contracts – how dare they sign Dylan Cease to a market-rate deal (if projecting a 4WAR season for Cease)
What’s next; Oakland locking up their cost-controlled talent for a team discount?? Madhouse I tells ya
Colorado was clearly in on all of these guys before Toronto.
Colorado having a FO that’s all in ON THEIR OWN TEAM hasn’t been a thing since *checks notes* ….they went to the WS
they did not need him as Ernie is a gold glove at third. Huge gamble that his bat will be as good as Bo’s as he will be gone now.
Ernie’s a below-average bat. Yeah, he makes up a lot of value with his glove, unquestionably, but that’ll play as a sub. Okamoto isn’t gonna be trash at 3B, and if he’s a 120OPS+ bat, that value over 150G is gonna well outstrip Clement’s glove.
That said if Okamoto is clearly a 1B then yeah, the projected value might level out more.
Floor guys are great to have as your backups, but if you’re starting them, you’d best have some elite bats in several other positions.
Danggggg! Good for the Jays. They’re saying they aren’t losing again. Does this mean Bichette is out the door now? That’s the real question
vastly depends on the contract IMO. The Jays definitely have room in a conceptual lineup for both (Okamoto 3B, Bichette 2B; Addison Barger and Ernie Clement could shift to superutility roles)
Could still sign Bo and move the new guy to Left. Or sign Tucker and have Okamoto at 3rd/LF, Clement at 2nd/Ss/3rd and Barger at 3rd/LF. This is a very Jays move that still leaves open a lot of options because of fielding fluidity on their roster
BeenThereDoneIt
My thinking here is that many teams have checked in with Bichette, so someone may see this as an opportunity to slap down a huge payday and sign him. This may be a hot take, but I think if the Jays really wanted Bichette to stick around, they would’ve signed him already. That’s just me though. Your idea still makes a ton of sense
Fielding fluidity or roster stupidity….you choose….all of these guys want to play and won’t be satisfied with a 50/50 as to whether they play and where they play….and their agents will be burning the phone lines trying to get assured playing time……
Signing this guy and now playing checkers with the guys who got you within 1 game of the WS win is risky at best…..better get a bog bottle of Ibuprofen for your manager…he’s going to need it with the line heading for his office door….
You obviously didn’t watch a single game the jays played last year my friend. That is exactly the type of team they are. The literally use the entire roster of players every single game.
Mark got out of that chat just in time. Nice!
Blue Jays ruining baseball!
@old york. Boras got his clients mixed up thought okamuto said he wanted to beat the dodgers
Please tell me this means Davis Schneider is relegated to parking cars.
But I saw him hit a homerun in the World Series!!! (Ummm that happened, didn’t it?)
Wow damn, well ok then. Jays tasted that gold and were like nah, it’s gonna be ours! Congratulations!
Every day I watch the AL East title slip further from our grasp here in Boston…
Or Baltimore. Bye bye dynasty
Baltimore’s dynasty ended before it could begin.
The stove heats up and the plot thickens.
To the fellow 5% that voted in the poll, we were right.
Shatkins is the worst front office in baseball! The Cleveland clowns!!
AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHaaa
Suck it haters!!
Think it’s a little early to be piss drunk. Take it easy there fella
Pipe down
Nah son perfect time for the sticky green
What take is this? I dont understand your statement…
Matt, he doesn’t either. He’s had a few too many cold beers.
You two pretending like you haven’t been reading those comments for the past 5 years is hilarious to me. Probably forgot because you donkeys were out here saying it and then they go to the world series and all of a sudden its amnesia time. Soft!
Come again?
I dont know who you are buddy.
Just tried to ask for clarification on your post. That’s all…
Don’t mind the troll. He just seems unstable.
No I am still on the record as saying that Russ Atkins is not a smart fellow. Just because you can spend money to all abandon does not make you smart. And the Jays were damned lucky to get out of the ALCS in 2025.
lol coldbeer
They are Toronto Blue Jays, now.
And they are doing just fine at the moment
Blue Jays winning 102 games this year
104
Open was 91.5 wins. It’s 91.5 wins now.
They finished last with the same team 2 years ago!
Teams and fans will never learn. They had a season where everything went their way… And can’t figure out why it didn’t happen again the following year.
This was not the same team even remotely. Completely different pitching staff, bullpen, SS/2b, RF, LF. lol literally half the roster is different
Same uniforms too!
Wow. I’m excited to watch this guy play.
Wow, bold move. Hopefully he adjusts to MLB pitching. Good for the Jays’ – pushing for a title after last season’s heartbreak.
Seattle should also be doing that.
Bringing back Naylor was a great first step. I liked the Refsnyder move, but they could use a other bat. They’ll be back and hungry for more.
This was not the guy for Seattle. We need someone who can play IF defense
For their sake, I hope it’s Marte. He’s the surest thing available.
Like Suarez and Polanco did?
What the cow with the fiddles saying let’s see Seattle make the next 2 moves
Every team should be doing that…as much as they can in this screwed up system.
This would mean Tucker’s out for the Jays. If Okamoto plays third that moves Barger to right.
With respect to Barger, if they want Tucker to play for them (and Tucker wants to), they’ll send Barger to Buffalo, or trade him…or dump some other contract to make it work.
Agree. This signing does not stop them from continuing their pursuit of Tucker, or even Bichette. Okamoto was down to last chance day with his posting. It’s not like Toronto or any other team could come back to this insurance policy later on. As far as everyone trying to figure out how all the pieces would fit with a Tucker or Bichette, keep in mind that at least one starter or major platoon player is usually injured at any one time. If it does get too crowded, there’s always an otion to trade from depth strength to acquire help elsewhere: back end starter, RPs or farm. Somebody here mentioned Barger could be sent down, but I have not looked at Jays players w options (Roster Resource has that easy to find on roster chart). That might not be a year long solution, but helps to have as an “option” if all are healthy in April but not by May. This move makes for a deep bench, Toroto can rotate guys early on until things settle out, as they always seem to do (w injury, poor performance, etc). All the questions in spring training get settled by May. For example, not using position players, but pitching: there is always so much hype over who is going to be the 4th and 5th starters with many teams each year. A few months in and many teams are starting the 7th and 8th ranked pitchers of spring (albeit might be better ranked once given tge job). So does it really warrent so much attention?
Nettles the Jays are out on Tucker and Bregman. Please stop.
Yet all reports indicate they are not. Do you have some inside info you’d like to share or just being “one of those”?
Point out where any of the remaining free agents would play on that team (except Bo, there is a spot). Where would Bregman play? Tucker? There would have to be a massive trade for that to happen. “One of those”, if by that you mean you believe the media controlled by the same owners as the team? Answer would be no.
He looked good in the Series.
Barger was improving and getting experience with the big boys.
Sending him to ride the bus in Buffalo won’t do anything except put him on hold.
Bestone there is a better chance at a trade, but given his amount of team control it would need to be a significant trade. It still means the Jays are out, because more than likely a trade is for another bat and probably an outfielder. Doubt Barger would be traded for another pitcher unless he is packaged with a pitcher.
Longsuffering – no
Yes…I suspect Bo is wanting to go to LA…but they can’t pay unless it’s amortized over 40 years….
Nice move Blue Jays. They are really going for it this season. That’s good for baseball!
Yep, the game is better when there are more quality teams.
Agreed! I’m looking forward to competitive Pirates and Marlins teams. Heck, even the Angels are throwing darts at the wall (I mean, it’s the wrong wall, but at least they’re trying).
Angels more like throwing bowling pins at the ceiling then wondering why its suddenly raining dust and spackle
Angels just gave the Skaggs family $90-100 million to settle wrongful death lawsuit. Nothing but cobwebs left in Moreno’s bank account right now.
Unless the Angels spend anything close to last year’s payroll. It looks like Moreno is lowering payroll and getting ready to sell after the new collective bargaining agreement
What the penguin with the banjo says. Level that playing field. Poor Os, let their window close not getting a Crochet or Cease when it could have mattered
@Dumpster Divin Theo
When you do a rebuild and get to the point where things matter, pounce. I agree that the Orioles might have waited too long.
Btw, it’s a horse with a guitar. Quick Draw McGraw’s alias.
Stop whining about trading prospects. Crochet or cease wouldnt have made the orioles contenders last year. The offense was more responsible.
Orioles pitching staff was 26th. Their pitching was putrid and a huge part of the problem.
The hitting was bad at 20th, but the pitching is what sank their season.
Too bad the Tigers and Mariners aren’t doing the same
Are you saying Toronto wasn’t quality? No additional quality team added by this move. Maybe if he had signed with Pittsburgh.
No. You’re right. It shouldn’t have read that way. The Blue Jays are certainly a quality team and are looking to remain that way.
As a Dodger fan I am rooting for them. It’s time for these MLB owners to wake up and push their chips in. Bluejays will be the team to beat in the AL.
Yeah… awesome. Now there’s two teams buying everyone instead of one. There’s the Dodgers, the Jay’s. Then there’s all the ones tricking their fanbases into believing they give a da#&,which obviously they don’t. One side The pretenders and the other the billionaires who spend and couldn’t care less.
You’re right… Awesome
The billionaires that couldn’t care less …that won back to back WS and are arrgressivelly pushing for another. Definitely
lol none
I think Bichette is possible but I could see him going to the dodgers. Once the dodgers were interested in Bichette they usually get their guy.
Agreed. He looked like he’d had enough of the Jays at the end of the WS…
Bo always looks like he has had enough. Not a really happy dude.
Wishing nothing but the worst for Okamoto.
Wow you must be fun at parties
It’s an obvious autocorrect issue. He meant
‘… nothing but the wurst…’.
It’s a cured meats thing.
From the European Sausage Haus in North York Best wurst in Ontario.
Who stole the Kishka?
Because it takes guts….to make sausage
If oka is looking for best worst then he should be spending time in Chicago, can introduce him to Abe Froman, the sausage King followed by little dancey dance with fraulein at parade float
The same person who let the Dogs out. Who! Who! Who! Who!
Go Jays. Having a great time.
After decades of me failing, the Jays playoff run managed to crack one of my non baseball Aussie mates. He is on board and ready to take the full ride next year. Jays are riding the wave. Good to see.
Damn it Angels!!!
Love the sudden action on the thread, keep those comments coming!!!
GO JAYS GO!!!
FEAR THE TRUE NORTH!!!
rolls eyes ..oh brother.
The True North, as in Alaska? Sarah Palin can see Russia from her window
Does Alaska have a MLB team??? and much of Canada is farther North than Alaska!!! Look at a Map bud!!!
The northernmost settlement in North America is Utquiagvik Alaska. Formerly Barrow.
There is Canada north of that by a few miles. Just no Canadians.
Not true Barrow is 5th on the list of most Northerly points by Country, Elsemere island is 2nd and actually has Canadians living there!!! 1st is GreenLand but they do not have a MLB team So FEAR THE TRUE NORTH!!!
Buffalo says hi
Brain freeze!
If they dont sign Bo or Tucker the lineup is worse than last year, especially if you consider Springer is 36 and likely will regress (hopefully only a bit). But if you sign one of the two this is great.
I wanted him for the Yanks, would have been a good fit
On the bright side we don’t have to worry about Devin Williams giving away the division again. Unfortunately Volpe is going to return at some point in 2026 ready to strike out with runners on 1st and 2nd or make egregious errors on routine plays in 1 run games.
Is this the domino?
Do the Jays take a step back on the other “players of interest” and cause them to be more motivated to get a deal done with teams elsewhere, now that the likelihood of the Jays signing others is lowered a bit?
Depends on the dollars and term, Jays probably still in on their other targets
The Jays have had a few Asian players and tried for a few more, but i believe this is the 1st time they have actually paid a posting fee
I would like to see Seattle make a run at Bo. Move him to 2nd. Then next year if they let JP walk or retire they can see if they want him or Colt at SS. This gives Young another year to improve his bat. That makes him a good starter at 2nd or a trade piece.
They could either have it a short term contract or one with opt outs after a couple years. This gives him a chance to build up his value and get a better contract if able. Would be a pretty good infield with Naylor Bo JP and Colt. JP maybe could have any pressure he feels lifted and start hitting better. He has had his seasons he has hit well and his GG season.
And this could be an annual thing like a Maple Leaf – Canuck cup. Things would really take off, eh?
Smart Move Blue Jays & Rogers Communications to go all in.
I was up there for the World Series and had a great time.
See you next year once again versus the Dodgers.
I was watching a sports program on the telly vision and saw you up there for the World Series. You were having a great time.
Me and Buck Martinez Lol
Where does he play? How does this move the needle for the jays?
He hits. They win. Needle moves
Who is to say this is the last move by the Jays??? Needle has moved 3 times already (Cease, Ponce, Rogers)
Who doesn’t play?
Schnieder and Lukes probably traded once Jays sign Tucker
You sound Giddy
Ponce? lol
The off season is not over. .If it ends right now this moves the needle backwards as you replaced Bo with Kazuma (offensively), and since Ernie is an amazing defender at 3B and Bo would play 2B the defensive upside isnt really needed.
They would need to offload someone if they get Bo right? Maybe even if they don’t get him? I am asking the same question as the OP because when the Jays had first been connected to Okamoto it was to play corner outfield. I don’t understand where he fits and if he truly means they are out on Bo then you’re right–its a step backwards.
They could still sign Bo and play him at 2B. They could then platoon Clement and Gimenez at SS with one or the other filling in at other spots as a utility. Barger likely goes to the outfield. Would likely mean the end of David Schneider on the team though.
Personally though if they could move him I would rather see them ship out Gimenez and give shortstop to Clement. He has great defensive numbers at shortstop and is the better hitter.
Boom goes the dynamite
Angels are calling the Cardinals about 3B
If the rumor is true that Arenado turned down a trade to the Angels last year, why would the Angels still want him?
He turned down a deal to the Astros not the Angels
Biggest news here is Jays aren’t re-signing Bo or switching to Bregman. Or likely signing Tucker. That’s really interesting as I had assumed they would do one of those things. Are the Mets about to godfather Tucker? Or the Yankees jump Bo, or maybe some team will someone come out of the woodwork on him like the Reds?
Yeah this seems like a step back from them honestly. Instead a big name FA like Bichette or Tucker they went after more of a budget-level FA that could have high upside.
A signing like this could legitimately get a fan base like Pittsburgh excited. But for Blue Jays fans, I am sure there’s some interest to see how he pans out but the likelihood that this takes them out of the running for some bigger names I would think frustrate fans a bit more. Unless they’re seeing this as a way the club is saving money by not going after those other names? Curious.
They’re almost certainly out on Bregman now, but this doesn’t preclude them from signing Tucker or Bo at all.
So the team to get a gold glove first baseman, aren’t going to play him at first?
Who’s a gold glove 1B? Okamoto is a poor defender everywhere.
you must be thinking of Murakami
GG 3rd baseman 3 years ago in Japan
Jays are going to have a deep bench of contact hitters. I doubt this affects resigning of Bichette
Bye bye Bichette
Article says:
“Okamoto…now projects to be the Jays’ regular third baseman. ”
and
“Barger in particular, it now seems like he’ll platoon with Okamoto at third base,”
A tad confused.
They already have a gold glover (robbed!) in Ernie at 3B….if they could get rid of Gimenez it would be a dream.;
Gimenez was the only reason they did well in the WS
Yeah I cannot track who will be in their lineup opening day. I wonder if this means they’ll cut bait on Santander and eat some of that terrible contract. Can’t see them getting rid of Springer. Also can’t see them going after Tucker or Bo anymore if for nothing other than what I presume they promised Okamoto regarding regular playing time. Do they trade Barger?
Strange that so long after this broke that no financial details are being leaked. Passan is probably the most reliable of ‘insiders’ but its lingering for a while and I wonder why the money part is not being released.
I’m personally offended and angry to see a team spend money to try to make their team better. Ruining baseball I says. An outrage!!! It’s not right!
Helps of course to have the money. The Jays arguably have the biggest market in baseball (basically a whole country). Also, this is actually a cheap move as it means they are out on Bichette, Bregman, and Tucker.
Of course. Would love to know how many dollars 18 playoff games is worth. Would also love to know how many the budget projected. Seems like good times in the money to spend department.
@foppert3
No teams budget assumes playoff money. That would be a great way to end up in the red.
Other than Bregman, how does it mean they are out on those guys?
Blue Jays are ruining baseball
Saki endorse this move, He Japanese too!!!! Lets do the Saki Dance!!!
Guess nobody gets the reference???
Well, time to invade Canada.
Ha ha ha. Nicely played !
Okamato won’t have to scrub his social media history now.
Barger likely plays an OF corner on most days with Springer/Santander playing the other corner/DH. This move probably does close the book on a Bichette return and also on the possibility of the Jays signing Tucker, unless a significant trade is made to remove one of the other main Outfielders from the equation (Springer/Santander/Varsho)
Well, -chette!
I’d hoped Bo returned to the nest. Maybe there’s still a shot.
The Blue Jays continue to act like the big market MLB team that they are. They aren’t afraid to shop in the big boy aisle alongside fellow AL East teams like the Yankees and Red Sox. Signing Kazuma Okamoto on the heels of Dylan Cease still leaves the door wide open for Toronto to re-sign Bo Bichette for 2B or add RF Kyle Tucker to their OF mix.
It’s too bad the Cubs don’t feel the same obligation towards their loyal fan base like the Blue Jays have for theirs. Tom Ricketts doesn’t see the need to spend with the Dodgers, Phillies or Mets in the NL. He’s content to just outspend the medium and small market teams in the NL Central while sticking with his self-imposed salary cap of the CBT threshold.
It’s a shame because the Cubs had the best defensive team in MLB last season. Their offense was also more than respectable. If any of the other big market teams had the same roster they wouldn’t think twice about retaining Tucker in RF and then adding Alex Bregman for 3B which would not only keep the Cubs as MLB’s best defensive team but also elevate them into the tier of an offensive juggernaut. Of course, if Ricketts added Tucker and Bregman he would blow too far past the 2026 $244MM CBT self imposed tax threshold. Just adding one of them would put the Cubs right at the threshold. The shame of it is that adding both players and a needed TOR would still cost Ricketts less than what the other big market teams typically spend each season when they feel compelled to win a World Series title.
Jed can’t even pony up 18 million for Imai. He’s a joke, a doubletalking clown. I’m really to the point of turning my back on them until Ricketts sells them. I loathe Jed,Carter, and Ricketts.
They were in on Cease until he hit 200 mil.
2nd on Imai.
Couldn’t get Devin Williams who actually wanted to play there.
Lost on Helsley.
Too cheap to keep Tucker.
Too cheap to sign Breggie.
About to lose Nico because of cheapness.
Oh.. and Suzuki,Happy,Boyd, and a plethora of others gone after next year because they built in a self destruct switch for the end of 26.
Really pathetic.
How low are they in revenue taken in vs. put back into the on field product. One of the worst. That is a fact. They keep all the money. Just like when they dumped Belli for nothing.
I’m so close to done with these clowns.
I share your pain. I’m also putting the majority of the blame on Tom Ricketts who dictates the budget. He also refuses to authorize his front office to utilize other contractual tactics like deferred payments that most other big market teams embrace when needed to secure a player or to help minimize their team’s luxury tax hit during a specified time frame.
Blue Jays lost a WS due to an improper lead
well lots of bad plays and bad decisions really. You can pick one of many to blame.
No.
They lost it because they didn’t pinch-run for Bo, not because of a bad lead.
Lead poisoning?
Will be interesting to see the details, how long and how much. I am guessing not too bad for the Jays and the usual opt out.
Still haven’t seen the contract
“Cody Ponce to reinforce bullpen”…interesting?
ThatsIT?
What’s even funnier is you’re probably one of those guys that still thinks a walk is as good as a hit. And still think Beane was a genius even though he never won anything, every other team who followed his playbook, quickly abandoned it, and still hadn’t realized his model was idiotic and a couple good pitchers and a couple mediocre ones with a couple fluke seasons made it look like it worked.
Is it those clown shoes you wear that keep you from realizing that some guys can just hit?? And those are usually the guys that make it. It doesn’t matter how many walks a guy takes, if a guy can hit he can just hit.. I can easily tell you are probably one of those clowns that used to always say that Garrett Anderson was probably just one slump away from the end of his career or having an entire bad year. Yet that dude was basically one injury away (his plantar/arthritic injury) from making the Hall of Fame. Had that injury, or condition whatever we call it not taken away quite a few at bats from the second half of his career he would have easily eclipsed 3,000 hits 600 dubs and 3 to 4 hundred quads. And the hits alone wouldve punched his hall ticket.
You’re probably one of those guys that evaluates a hitter based off OPS don’t you? Lmao.
Ps: does wearing that big red nose make your real nose itch???
This is fabulous performance art.
Mental illness is a pretty wild ride.
An L away from having a Clue
It packs a bigger punch if you reply to him directly. Otherwise he will not see this.
@Cjcue Are you an extra from the show Shoresy?
Hard to believe. but in 5 weeks they will be playing SP Games.
Bring on the lockout
Terms?
4/60
Good! This should take them out of the Tucker conversation. One less team competition.
Why would they be out on Tucker???
Lol
This isn’t roto. They aren’t going to spend $400m to push a very good player or players to emergency only roles. Not how the sport works. They’re out on Tucker. I would guess that’s because someone (cough cough, Mets) are in the process of not letting anyone outbid them on Tucker. So the Jays switched to Okamoto. That and the fact they need that $ for pitching.
Guess we will have to wait and see, i am betting on the Jays landing Tucker… as for pitching??? they have already added 3 arms to the stable!!!
They’re added two starters and a very good reliever. They have already spent their $ on pitching and it’s time to upgrade the offense.
I’m thinking the Giants might land Tucker. We will see.
The Jay’s are adding an OF. Santander.
Santander/Lukes-Varsho-Barger.
Where is Tucker playing?
In SF
Solid answer Ramos.
Wherever the hell he wants. You make room for Tucker especially over Lukes. The Jays ran a clinic on getting everyone playing time. You rotate Barger, Springer, santander, Clement, Lukes, Gimenez , Okamoto, around 5 positions..
3B, SS,2B, lf, and DH. That’s assuming zero injuries. Also assuming Varsho plays every day which he won’t. There’s lots of space.
‘Wherever the hell he wants.’
Now catching: Kyle Tucker.
Todays SP: Kyle Tucker…
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t wasn’t either of those.
If Jays have signed him as the article states then the Physical has already been done which mean this was a done deal this morning!!
It’s not official …until I get an email from the Jays announcing the signing!
One more bat, and a top pitcher, and the Jays might be in position to talk to Detroit about Skubal …and still chase a Chip!!!
Id put a call in on Joey Loperfido. Blue Jays probably going to stash him in AAA but might be able to get him in a trade.
I like this move, especially for the price and years, it’s a lot of upside for a good batter profile.
My guess is this is the last piece of heavy lifting for the roster which I suspect is going to disappoint a lot of people here.
Tucker has no spot, Bo is less likely, although I could still see a short term deal (like 3/100 with an opt out) and push Ernie in to a utility role.
I disagree. I think they are still getting one of Tucker or Bo and then trading from their surplus of outfielders. After coming so close and making so much money from the playoff run, do you really see them letting one of their homegrown star players walk without replacing him with an even better player?
Santander would be tough to move, and I can’t see them trading Barger, so who would they move ?
Varsho makes the most sense given his contract status but they don’t have another starting CF
That sort of thing — “sign player A then trade the guy who used to have that job” — is always proposed by fans but never happens. Teams know that if the Jays sign Tucker they have to trade Barger, which reduces his return to nothing. And if they do it in the reverse order that just increases Tucker’s leverage.
Most likely this signing means the Jays are done as far as hitters go. Likely still in pitching market.
I still disagree. As of now, the Jays are counting on another big season from a 36-year-old Springer, a bounce back from Santander, a big offensive season from an unproven Japanese guy, and another step forward for Barger. They still need a big established MLB bat.
Santander and Springer are 44MM in salary next year, they are going to get 500ABs if healthy
Santander was a steady force for years before ‘25, I’m sure the FO who gave him 5 years is counting him to the a big established mlb bat you just mentioned
While I think your opinion is valid, I still think they’re signing one of Tucker or Bichette (Tucker feels more likely at this point).
Springer is 36 and a free agent after this year, so there will be plenty of available ABs going forward. I also think Santander is much better than what we saw last year, but good luck selling the fanbase on that.
The only thing I think the Okamoto signing rules out is the team signing BOTH Tucker and Bichette, but that was always extremely unlikely.
I always appreciate your opinion C daddy.
For me it’s just a bit too optimistic. If jays were going to get Tucker I’m sure it would have happened by now. I can still see a path to Bo but I don’t see a path to Tucker anymore
Been enjoying the back and forth thank you both. I don’t see them signing Tucker now either. May still be the front runner for Bo. Trade Schneider for another reliever? Who else is left on the free agent market that would improve the team? Bregman is definitely out.
Okamoto was my favorite 3B this year just based on value. Murakami could be a great signing for the WS but could be a bust too. I feel like Bregman and Suarez will both be overpays but both also have the chance of their markets being terrible and signing a shorter term high AAV contract.
They are still on Tucker or Bo. Need to remember they have a lot of salary coming off the books at the end of the year including Springer at the end of 2026 and Varsho at the end of 2027.
The glut of OF will go away quick
Ducey you’ve made a case for the Jays to get a CF and trade Varsho. Otherwise the math ain’t mathing for Tucker being a Blue Jay.
Dusty 100% agree. I can’t see Tucker given the current roster situation. Bo I can see.
C-Daddy which outfielders are they trading? Barger? Why? Santander? Exactly for whom? Tucker being a thought in the plans is absurd. Jays aren’t dealing Varsho nor Tucker is a CF, and trading Lukes doesn’t open the door for Tucker.
This guy is gonna get chewed up by MLB pitching.
.240/.310/.440
That’s well above average.
“If you enjoyed the Blue Jays this October, he’s their kind of hitter; he puts the ball in the air plenty and with authority, but his true standout skill is doing that without piling up strikeouts. As Eric noted in his scouting report, Okamoto has also improved against high velocity fastballs in the past few years, which is a key point of failure for NPB hitters.”
Eh. Hes done that against Japanese pitching. It’s not just velo over here.
Of which there are a few in MLB, Dodger etc
What are his splits against Ohtani Yamamoto and Sasaki? If he owns them then I take back my statement completely.
That’s a 110 OPS+ give or take lol. Not exactly chewed up.
Wasn’t implying he was going to be out of the league in a year. Just significant fall off from success and not worth the contract or starting position on a WS caliber team.
I’ve got it closer to 100-105 and considering what his career ops+ was in Japan… I’d say that’s 100% chewed up “lol”. From superstar to literally league average. That’s also chewed up “lol”. How many WAR does that translate per million? Yeah… you guessed it… chewed up “lol”.
My prediction is probably on the low end… and is worthless, as it’s only a guess… but it’s most definitely a prediction of a player being chewed up.
You’ve never seen one pitch thrown to him other than maybe on you tube. Your “prediction/guess” is worth absolutely zero. We are all stupider for listening to it and may god have mercy on your soul! “lol”
You’re a clown. “Not exactly chewed up!”. Try again blowhard.
Oh no, the guy who thinks he knows anything about actually value is now calling me a clown. Whatever will I do???
I dunno? FO? Yeah sounds about right.
Seals Arenado to the Angels, and Bregman back to the Red Sox.
Doesn’t seal anything although Bregman to the Sox has seemed like a foregone conclusion for a while now.
@Seals. most likely
WOW ! Shockwave’s of armageddon in the east. Looks like they are still fighting back from the 2025 loss. Who do they sign next ? Yankees are like they are in a coma.
Blue Jays are really flexing their muscle and out to prove last season wasn’t a nice little one year run. I would be willing to bet they get one of Bo or Tucker as well. Scary team to face.
It does beg the question which Blue Jay team is the real one?
The last place team of 2023?
Or the ALC team of 2024?
Did everything just go right in 2024 they caught the wave and rode it all season long?
It will be interesting.
In the last 5 years they’ve made the playoffs 3 times and one of the seasons they didn’t they won 91 games.
2024 is the outlier, it’s quite clear
Blue Jays W-L records from the last five seasons:
2021: 91-71
2022: 92-70
2023: 89-73
2024: 74-88
2025: 94-68
It would appear that everything just went wrong in 2024. Last year seemed to come out of nowhere, but they were already a good team.
Could the Pirates actually aquire Barger now ????
What would the Blue Jays want for him ???
Barger was a revealation last season. why would Jays trade Barger who is under control for the next 5 years?
Pitching. Not like the huge name guys, but someone they feel like they could work with. That said, I don’t want Barger gone unless the return is something very useful.
Young pitching is all the Pirates could offer. But that said, as a Pirates fan I was awakened to Barger’s abilities in the playoffs and WS last season. Why would the Jays want to dump him now?
Unless they forced him out with better talent, or had a dire need for something else, I don’t think they would.
4/60 could be a fantastic bargain for the Jays!!!
“If you enjoyed the Blue Jays this October, he’s their kind of hitter; he puts the ball in the air plenty and with authority, but his true standout skill is doing that without piling up strikeouts. As Eric noted in his scouting report, Okamoto has also improved against high velocity fastballs in the past few years, which is a key point of failure for NPB hitters.” – Fangraphs Nov 5
Maybe get Barger & take Berrios contract to free up some more money for Toronto to make a play for Tucker or bring back Bo ???
no chance on getting Barger – he is part of their core going forward. Berrios is one injury away from being a core member of the rotation. Jays will be adding and taking on more payroll – not shedding.
Ross Atkins is a leg man.
*See Okamoto, Cease,
Okamoto – Blue Jays sending a message that they are serious about getting back to the World Series
Don’t be surprised if Blue Jays make another big FA signing – probably not Bergman but possibly Tucker
Bichette still in play. Sign him at 2B. Ernie becomes our utility INF. He can spot Bo at 2B as a defensive replacement, and is insurance if KO doesn’t pan out at 3B.
DH Springer
RF Barger
1B Vladdy
2B Bo
LF Santander
C Kirk
3B KO
CF Varsho
SS Gimmy
Damn it Red Sox
Tell me your trading outfielders for middle relievers without telling me you’re trading outfielders for middle relievers
If we’re being honest here, what space for middle relievers is there? More like lottery ticket prospect types.
Can’t wait for the Globe’s Sunday baseball notes to site the Red Sox’ INTEREST in Okamoto.
Good job Toronto Blue Jays! As my second favorite team I’m also stoked about this signing. What’s next?
Question for Jay’s fans regarding Springer.
I don’t see the sentiment regarding Springer on your team as I do with other former Astro players who were on the Astro team that cheated.
Does he get a pass.?
I See fans get on Bregman and Correa . Not so much with Springer.
He gets booed relentlessly in every AL West city.
You didn’t watch the playoffs at all, did you? Fans cheating when Springer got hit. Fans cheating when Springer had to leave a game injured. They were all over him.
**CHEERING
And the Blue Jays overtake the Yankees in payroll. That’s kinda crazy tbh
Not when you consider they are the largest fan base and wealthiest owners in the sport.
Roger’s is the second wealthiest owner in baseball. Steve Cohen relatively easily outdistances Roger’s Communications. Ironically the Illitch family is the third wealthiest they should have no trouble extending Skubal.
To be fair, Jays ownership is much richer than the Yanks. Once George was gone, the kid isn’t spending like his pops did.
Doubtful. The Yankees always come in first in AL payroll but the gap is closing. Yankees still haven’t made their big budget signing ( highly likely to be Cody Bellinger ).
Nothing doubtful about the Jays ownership group ($19.3B) being much richer than Yankees ownership ($2B). For sure the Yanks will continue to maintain a top 5 payroll, but they are more careful with how they spend under Hal vs. George.
Call me old fashion but am I the only one that doesn’t like these Japs in our game?
I’ll call you racist instead.
My father lived in Japan over a hundred years ago and he played baseball there. So what’s wrong with them coming here.
How old are you?? 😆
You make it hard to know who to root for in the next battle of pearl harbour.
This has to be a troll post. We want the best players in the world.
I’m assuming you’re joking, right?
Bichette ain’t coming back to Canada.
I would remind people you can win the off season (on paper) and still lose during the season.
Yes, but that usually applies to mediocre non-playoff teams that make a bunch of splashy signings but don’t already have a good core in place. The Jays are coming off a World Series appearance.
2013 Blue Jays – Offseason Champs!
This Jays’ game-plan obviously includes chasing a World Series. You don’t do that by standing still.
Seems to me the only way a team “wins” the off-season is by trying to make moves that improve your chances. You sound like your team isn’t doing anything.
If Bo wanted to be a Blue Jay he would’ve signed already, he’s just looking for the money. You can’t expect the Jays to wait around forever, I still hold out some hope for Tucker
Definitely starting to look like Bo wanted one of those 300plus million contracts and no teams are interested in that. I still think he settles in Toronto, it will just be on Toronto terms
Jays ruining baseball….
Sorry bro but only the Dodgers are able to ruin baseball. Don’t ask me why though, I don’t make the rules..
“Proudly Ruining Baseball Since 1883.”
Anyone who can play third base can play left field. Just keep telling the guy to back up.
I think the assumption is 3B, but with work at 1B and a bit of LF it provides some options to move around like other players on the Jays team. My concern is going to be the Glue Jays, the other guys who make things happen and set the table for the bigger hitters. Some are likely to be squeezed out like Loperfido. Maybe upgrade for a closer
Only if the padres weren’t plagued with xanders and mannys contracts . $60 million could have gone a long ways . Preller Plague = he gets the players at the overpaid price
Why the hate for Machado? Hes expensive but at least the value has been there so far. You can count on his stats every season and has stayed healthy.
His hustle is questionable. Stats are on a slow decline . Still an elite defender but I’m not paying 30 mill a year as a GM for a backup all star 3B. 2 players 60 million declining stats . Crippling the team’s capabilities
Fair enough. Side note, SD knew his hustle was questionable before he had 300 million. He plays hard when he feels like it. I was encouraged to see him get in 159 games last season though
Manny and Xander’s contracts are the result of Padres having gone all in. if you read the board here, it is the wish of every fan base for their ownership to go all in. sure the Xander contract didnt work out but nothing but admiration here for Peter S going all in – esp against the Death Star. Padres fans have had quite the ride for the past few seasons.
Need to get Munenori Kawasaki back as a translator….
I’ll put myself in a vulnerable position here, but I don’t fully understand why teams backload contracts verse front loading them. From an optics standpoint, it looks better to pay guys during their best years and not be paying them more when they might decline with age. I understand the “more money now is worth more than more money later” principle. But… the production on the field earlier in the contract would be worth its value earlier in general. Now I know in this situation it isn’t extreme… 16 mil for the final 3 years verse 15 over 4. But if money isn’t as much of a concern to me like the blue jays, I love the idea of his contract becoming cheaper and his value matching or exceeding it on the back in in the event I need to trade him for whatever reason. Idk.. just my opinion. I’m sure it’s a financial thing I can’t truly wrap my head around which is why teams defer money so much
Not sure, but teams may backload contracts because they believe revenue goes up each year. So higher salaries are theoretically easier to pay in the future.
Pirates should go all in on Bichette now that they missed out on Okamoto.
If the Reds signed Bichette to play second, the internet would break. 🤣
Not going to lie, don’t understand this move by the Jays. Berger and Clement can share 3b and both emerged to be impact players both offensively and defensively. Okamoto has done nothing in the ML and we do not know how he will acclimate to MLB and they sunk 4/60 into him. I don’t think this takes them from the Tucker or Bichette signing, but, I just don’t understand the move from a logic standpoint.
Whew. Relieved you didn’t lie.
Add talent, worry about how it all fits in later.
So this proves they are all in for Tucker? No for Bichette?
If it leans that way I’m okay with it. Bichette is the home favourite and if he signs that’s fine, but I am also accepting that his skills are diminishing. Tucker for ten years along side Vladdy and now Okamoto for four years with a perhaps, perhaps, hear me out, NOT a useless Santander, and suddenly we has loads of pop with hopefully keeping as many as the end of order “Glue Jays” as possible, for amazing bench depth too.
Jimenez and Loperfido likely on the bubble for trades
Lock up Bichette
C’mon 1 off year ?
.300 hitter with pop,
bite the bullet
I’m not that impressed with KO
Here me out he’s basically a glorified Byung – Ho Park
1b / Dh Type who can play left field or 3B in short spells..
Parks best season in Mlb basically amounted to .225/.285 / .410
With like 9 to 18 Homers a year
I realize Bichette is 2X the Money and Tucker is probably 3X or 4X
So I get it.
Wrong league pal.
HoPark had worse numbers in a worse league, that is not a good comparison
Based on stats he has much more power, better walk rate, better contact rate and more xtra base hits. Not sure it translates but don’t think it’s an apt comparison other than they are both from overseas.
Bichette to Yanks , Sox or Pirates ?!? Hmmm
Weird move. Not a fan of it.
It has the ear marks of either 2 things. One, the Blue Jays have swung on and missed on Trucker, Bichette and Bellinger
or
there is a trade coming up, and Okamoto is filling a hole that the trade will be creating.
There go the Dodgers signing all the Japanese players again. Oh.. wait.. wrong blue team.
Someone wake up Dipoto.
I like this move a lot. A guy who can play more than one position and who is not going to cost 25-40 million a year like Bo or Tucker. Sorry Jays fans but the Jays are not signing any of those guys. The cost is way too much for both. Both completely overrated for the money they want. Bo love his hitting but his arm and defense is horrible and teams know it.The Jays are better to go for another reliever than a position player. Never can have enough arms.
It is like the Dodgers and Toronto are two massive markets and everyone else is Tampa Bay. If Okamoto is a decent 3B or better how do the Red Sox or Tigers NOT sign him at that price.
It’s taken Toronto a few years to build up the relationships in Japan to be able to sign Okamoto. Also being a nice place to land, a WS contender, and not being the USSA probably helped a lot
As a Yankee fan I m very jealous the Jays are trying to win. Good for them. The Yankees are working on saving money. Sell,the team, Hal. Then, have the new owner fire Cashman.
It’s baffling how Cashman is still GM. He must have some dirt on the Steinbrenners.
Bregman to Arizona, please.
Gotta love rooting for Canada.
Wonder if the big four are going to be left holding the bag a la 2 off seasons ago (Snell, Montgomery, etc…).
All QO guys (not Bregman) asking for near Soto/Judge/Ohtani money.
Better to wait until next year for the big spenders.
Bichette, Tucker, Bregman, Framber, Bellinger
I think Suarez, Suarez and Zac Gallen will be fine since they are more likely sane in their expectations.
Best Overall value FA signing this off-season when u think someone’s gonna have to give Bregman 3-4x this total guarantee and he’s like 3-4 years younger
I like the signing of this guy but I don’t think he’s going to translate into a typical 3B hitter. I predict him hitting .250-.260 with around 15 home runs and 75rbi. Glove will be decent but not great. I don’t think he’s going to be enough of an improvement over our in house options if it means no Bo or Tucker. Signing Tucker will create a lot of headaches with the overload in the outfield but if we can dump Santander then I’m ok. Dumping him could also help sign both… a dream but hey I still have some of the Christmas spirit left in me.
Bo… 5 years at 140 mil and Tucker 7 years at 230 mil
We don’t know what we don’t know but if he’s hitting .260 he would prob have more than 15 HRs
He puts a lot of balls in the air and has crazy bat speed and torque to his swing. Who knows how he will translate to the majors but I’d expect a 25 HR season if he hits .260
I believe this signing basically said to Bichette and Tucker, we have moved on. Tucker wasn’t a fit anyhow with the overload of OFs.
Any further $ they spend should probably go to relief.