TODAY: Hader spoke with MLB.com’s Brian McTaggart and other reporters today, and essentially ruled out a regular-season return given the amount of time it would take him to rebuild arm strength after a three-week shutdown. The closer is hopeful of being ready to pitch by the postseason.
AUGUST 15: The Astros announced that closer Josh Hader has been diagnosed with a capsule sprain in his left shoulder. He won’t throw for three weeks, and next steps for the star left-hander will be determined at that time. Houston placed Hader on the 15-day injured list earlier this week, though manager Joe Espada had already acknowledged prior to today’s announcement that his closer would miss more than two weeks.
Hader’s IL placement was the first injury of his big league career — and it’s a significant one. The ’Stros haven’t said whether surgery will be a consideration, but capsule repair procedures tend to come with considerable layoffs. Brewers righty Brandon Woodruff recently missed more than a year due to surgery to repair a capsule tear. Hader’s teammate, J.P. France, underwent capsule surgery early last July and only began a minor league rehab assignment on July 21 — more than a year later. He still hasn’t returned to a big league mound. On the other side of the coin, Michael Conforto suffered a capsule tear with the Mets late in the 2017 season and was back in the field the following April. That, however, was in his non-throwing shoulder — and the rehab process for an outfielder versus a pitcher will vary with any arm injury.
Obviously, every injury is different. Diagnoses and treatment plans are handled on a case-by-case basis. It’s not clear yet whether the damage in Hader’s shoulder is as significant as it was for Woodruff, France or any of the numerous pitchers who’ve previously undergone capsule procedures — nor is it even clear whether Hader will require surgical intervention at all. The Astros haven’t said one way or another and probably won’t do so until that reevaluation at the three-week checkpoint. Regardless of whether surgery is deemed necessary, Hader seems ticketed for a notable absence.
Right-hander Bryan Abreu got the first save opportunity in Hader’s absence, though Espada has suggested that he’ll take a committee approach to the ninth inning and make his decisions based on matchups rather than set roles. Lefties Steven Okert, Bennett Sousa and Bryan King could all factor into the ninth inning as well, depending on where the Astros are in the opposing lineup.
Even if Hader manages to avoid surgery, losing him for three weeks — likely a bit longer, if he needs a rehab assignment — is a critical blow at a time when the American League West race has tightened considerably. Houston’s once formidable lead has largely evaporated. The red-hot Mariners recently won seven straight games and have picked up a victory in eight of their past ten contests. That, coupled with a recent 2-8 stretch for Houston, has pulled Seattle within a game and a half of first place.
Notably, the two teams still have a series against one another left on the schedule: a three-game set in Houston from Sept. 19-21. The Astros will obviously hope Hader can somehow be ready to contribute at that point, but that feels optimistic based on the initial diagnosis.
Hader is being paid $19MM in the second season of a five-year, $95MM contract. He’s been exceptional this year, saving 28 games and pitching to a pristine 2.05 ERA with a 36.9% strikeout rate and 7.6% walk rate in 52 2/3 innings.
I hope he doesn’t miss the rest of the year. Trashtros need it
But it might be in his long-term best interest to miss some time. I’m not a doctor, but a strain is still torn tissue, and it could become more pronounced if not allowed to fully heal. At his velo, there is a lot of stress on that shoulder!
@Cards Didn’t the dirty red birds hire a guy who illegally stole login info from the Astros and went to pound me in the a** prison for it?
But of course, that was okay. The Astros and the Astros alone are to be vilified as cheaters.
The Cardinals didn’t win the world series while cheating.
So there’s that.
The Astros cheated during the 2017 season, but as I understand it, the banging stopped during the regular season after a pitcher caught on. If you’re saying they cheated in the WS, do you know of credible evidence supporting that?
So cheating is ok for other teams. Need to let other cheaters like Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers know they can repeat the cheating then.
There are multiple published reports detailing the Astros’ regular season, playoff and WS cheating. google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=astr…
Redwood, stealing signs and relaying them on the field is an acceptable baseball practice, and has never been in question.
What the Astros did was far outside of those practices, and against the actual rules of baseball.
If you prefer to try and toss other teams into the Astros ring of cheating, back it up. Don’t just infer “all the top teams do it”.
Make me a believer. Otherwise just stop the nonsense.
Sorry, a link to a web query is not credible evidence.
Sorry I didn’t realize you can’t read. Believe whatever you like.
Translation: “I can’t even begin to back up my claim. so I’ll resort to spewing pathetic ad hominem nonsense as a weak attempt to deflect.”
Translation: “I’m too lazy to read the commonly found information that abounds in the public domain.” Do your own research. I’m done with you.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Sally, but when you make a claim in the real world, it’s up to you to support it. “dO yOuR oWn rEsEaRcH” doesn’t cut it, so of course you run away. But thanks for the cheap laughs at your expense.
@ADF In 1988 Jay Howell was suspended during the playoffs for using pine tar in his glove for the Dodgers. See? He’s a cheater. Go home hypocrite.
But, but, everyone was doing it.
@Coupofthecentury didn’t th astros get caught cheating in 2019 by using cameras to steal signs? Dodgers deserved that championship
You really wanna talk about the Astros like they are cheaters, bruh… You are a casual idiot fan.
I bet I know more about the sport then you do! You probably don’t know who brady feigl is
Astros will be lucky if he pitches even one inning in the playoffs
most likely not, having his future in mind
Ooh, decoy in the postseason bullpen.
They need to start hitting the ball like they know what’s coming.
They probably CAN know what pitch is coming!
And welcome to the joke.
Three weeks with the season heading towards the finish line, might be best to shut him down for the year. No need to risk rushing him back when he will be needed for next season. That’s just my two cents.
If he can come back next season. I guess we’ll find out how severe it is in a few weeks…my hopes aren’t high.
Given that the Astros lie constantly about the status of their injured players, always pretending they will be back when they know they won’t, it is very likely Hader won’t pitch again for a year.
Correct. A pitcher’s arm could fall off, and the FO would insist he’ll just be out the 15-day minimum. They use this tactic because they believe the rest of the league is just flat stupid and believes their every word as gospel.
Good point. I would say this is very serious as a shouldet doesnt heal quickly
Like Kyle Tucker. Shin bruise last year. Out 3 months. Leg was broke.
Global mortality rate for shoulder capsule sprain is essentially zero—these injuries are non-fatal and do not appear in mortality statistics.
I’m relieved.
Obviously Comforto was not a pitcher with a shoulder injury to his pitching arm.
An outfielder, especially part-time mostly just has to soft toss toward the infield after an out or hit and only has to throw the ball hard on rare occasions of a runner trying to advance. Much more different than a pitcher throwing the ball hard on most every pitch. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hader can’t even toss a ball until some time next year and I hate it for him.
Houston, the capsule has a problem.
RIP Jim Lovell.
Science Friday replayed an interview with him from years ago, absolutely fascinating.
I’m sorry but moon landing was faked. You can clearly see how the US flag doesn’t even flap, it’s just standing perfectly still!
/s
And how fast was the speed of the wind in the vacuum of space that day??
And how is it even possible to have a vacuum of space next to the atmosphere of Earth? Right, it’s not possible.
Earth’s atmosphere only extends so far, not even close to the moon. The moon is held into orbit around Earth through gravity.
If this was before the trade deadline he could’ve been traded to the Cubs. Cubs genius POBO Jed Hoyer has no problem trading for pitchers with arm/shoulder problems.
He’s hardly the only one to fit that description
I recall Hyun Jin-Ryu and Julio Urías both had this and came back fairly well, but those may have been slightly different shoulder capsule issues (and other issues for Julio).
Came back **After tears and surgeries to repair*
Houston, you have a problem!
@Sparky1000
Sure, but I think the Yankees have a bigger problem. Time for a fire sale!
As someone who dislikes the Yankees it’s been fun to see them decline from last year.
As a human, I feel bad for Hader and want him to be a healthy.
As a fan, I also want him to be healthy because I’m tired of Astro fans whining about how injured their team has been this season.
I’m never tired of sad Astros fans.
At least those who defended them.
Those that acknowledged the situation in a realistic way? Yeah I can have some empathy for them.
all these injuries and still in first place. must be frustrating for you 😉
The injuries are frustrating. The Dodgers being in first place is good.
With all the injuries the Astros have had it’s really quite astonishing they’re still in first place (by 1/2 game as I’m writing). I don’t believe they will be for long though. The Mariners seem to be the best team in this division and I think by the end of the year they will be on top. No team can withstand all the personnel losses that the Astros have had. Valiant fight though.
probably true. But, if Yordan comes back soon (sounds like he is) that lineup gets a big lift.
Go M’s!! Hard to see a dominant pitcher go down though…
Not sure when/if he’s coming back but, McCullers would be my choice to try in the back end. He doesnt hold up physically as a starter. He has wicked stuff. Let him go full throttle for 1 inning. He did it against the Dodgers to help win the W.S.
Likely out for at least 8 weeks. At best he would return in league championship series in mid October if astros make it that far.